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What are some of the worst career decisions of actors?

Denise Crosby quitting ST. I saw her in a Z list horror some year back.

by Anonymousreply 590April 13, 2023 4:13 AM

What's ST and who is Denise Crosby?

by Anonymousreply 1January 16, 2023 9:12 PM

Crosby did a two-day stint on General Hospital a few months back. Big change from her TNG days.

by Anonymousreply 2January 16, 2023 9:14 PM

Bill Cosby - being a serial predator

Kevin Spacey - see above

Stephen Collins - see above

by Anonymousreply 3January 16, 2023 9:15 PM

Doing annoying stupid commercials. Too many to name.

by Anonymousreply 4January 16, 2023 9:16 PM

Pretty sure she was fired OP. It wasn’t really fair, but appearing in Playboy just did not go over well with the Star Trek producers.

Looking at her wiki though, she worked very steadily afterwards, even oddly appearing the Red Shoe Diaries the same year as Star Trek.

by Anonymousreply 5January 16, 2023 9:19 PM

Oh hi!

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by Anonymousreply 6January 16, 2023 9:23 PM

Shelly Long quitting Cheers!! Stupid Bitch

But then we wouldn't have had Kirstie, who I did love on the show

by Anonymousreply 7January 16, 2023 9:24 PM

Mommie Dearest,

by Anonymousreply 8January 16, 2023 9:27 PM

IDK, being HRH The Duchess of Suck-it with 2 children is kind of trading up!!

may be universally. hated but not a bad job...Dumb Bitch really fucked-up though!1

by Anonymousreply 9January 16, 2023 9:27 PM

McLean Stevenson leaving M*A*S*H.

by Anonymousreply 10January 16, 2023 9:28 PM

I don't think Shelley Long leaving Cheers was THAT big of a mistake, as she had a couple of successful films right after (or at least one, "Outrageous Fortune") and it isn't a given that Cheers would have continued on as long as it did had she stayed on. Sam and Diane (as great as they were) were pretty much done in terms of places they could go with the story. Adding Rebecca and not making her a love interest for Sam was a reason the show continued on, as it was not exactly the same show any more. Add to that the replacement of Coah (R.I.P.) with Woody and it's pretty evident that so much of the show's longevity was based on key characters departing and excellent (and completely different) recasting of that character's position within the main cast.

Long was pretty limited in terms of her capabilities and she did well with Diane but, to quote Marguerite, there's only so much the American public wants to see of an 'uppity white lady'. Shelley Long maximized her potential as an actor and that's all she can really ask.

by Anonymousreply 11January 16, 2023 9:36 PM

Fresh off her Academy Award, Cher doing infomercial for Lori Davies.

by Anonymousreply 12January 16, 2023 9:39 PM

Obsess much R9?

by Anonymousreply 13January 16, 2023 9:43 PM

Amanda Seyfried doing Lovelace

Demi Moore doing Striptease

Jane Fonda doing 80 for Brady

by Anonymousreply 14January 16, 2023 9:45 PM

Sharon Stone doing Basic Instinct 2 is one that comes to mind. The movie was bad, and seemed nothing like the original. Certainly it lacked any of the qualities that made the original successful (even if one of those qualities was just how "watchable" it was). Doing that movie seemed like a desperate attempt at career resuscitation.

by Anonymousreply 15January 16, 2023 9:47 PM

That redheaded guy leaving NYPD Blue. Huge mistake. He bombed in films. After years in the wilderness he made a comeback in one of those CSI shows.

by Anonymousreply 16January 16, 2023 9:50 PM

Lorna doing "Grease 2."

by Anonymousreply 17January 16, 2023 9:52 PM

Not only that R13, R9 s ridiculous post isn't even related to the topic. This is about actor's who made bad decisions regarding their work as ACTORS. Such as refusing one acting role (that was picked up by another actor who had major success with it) and taking another one which may have ruined their career or at the very least set it back. Not a damn thing to do with MM leaving her show. Nothing. Nada.

I'll say Jaime Foxworth turning to porn after getting the boot from FAMILY MATTERS. Or John Travolta turning down AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN. He eventually had a career turnaround with PULP FICTION, but that was twelve years later.

by Anonymousreply 18January 16, 2023 9:56 PM

Lena Dunham deciding to transition into Brendan Frasier in The Whale.

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by Anonymousreply 19January 16, 2023 9:56 PM

R18, he also turned down the Richard Gere role in Chicago. Dumb choice, he would have been great in that, he's a better singer and dancer than Gere

by Anonymousreply 20January 16, 2023 10:15 PM
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by Anonymousreply 21January 16, 2023 10:20 PM

Okay, r21 wins!

by Anonymousreply 22January 16, 2023 10:26 PM

Mel Gibson not quietly disappearing after his very public bed-shits. Or does he really need the money?

by Anonymousreply 23January 16, 2023 10:29 PM

Pamela Sue Martin leaving 'Dynasty' in 1984, during the height of it's success, because Joan Collins was getting more airtime. ABC replacing her with the dreadful Emma Samms.

by Anonymousreply 24January 16, 2023 10:44 PM

Helena Bonham Carter in Planet of the Apes, 2001.

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by Anonymousreply 25January 16, 2023 10:58 PM

Armie Hammer - cannibalism

by Anonymousreply 26January 16, 2023 10:59 PM

Timothee - Bones and All

by Anonymousreply 27January 16, 2023 11:03 PM

Molly Ringwald allegedly turned down Pretty Woman

by Anonymousreply 28January 16, 2023 11:12 PM

David Caruso quitting NYPD Blue after one season to become a movie star which didn't happen. He lucked out later with another successful tv series CSI Miami. I quite liked him on NYPD and was pissed when he left.

by Anonymousreply 29January 16, 2023 11:14 PM

Thank you for posting his name, R29. It was on the tip of my keyboard at R16 but I couldn't think of it.

by Anonymousreply 30January 16, 2023 11:22 PM

That’s a good one, R29. Perfect example.

by Anonymousreply 31January 16, 2023 11:25 PM

Jon Hamm thinking he was going to be George Clooney after Mad Men. Became box office poison and does commercial after commercial.

by Anonymousreply 32January 16, 2023 11:27 PM

McLean Stevenson leaving MASH.

Peter Frampton doing a film version of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."

John Travolta doing "Moment by Moment" a movie in which he and Lily Tomlin are lovers.

by Anonymousreply 33January 16, 2023 11:31 PM

When Dan Stevens left Downton Abbey.

by Anonymousreply 34January 16, 2023 11:38 PM

OP, Denise said she quit because she didn't go to acting school to say "Aye, aye, captain!" She wanted diverse, challenging roles. After seeing how her career went, I'm sure she regrets her decision. Looking at her IMDB page, I don't see anything of note besides ST.

by Anonymousreply 35January 17, 2023 12:15 AM

R32 I admit I thought he'd land roles after Mad Men. Wonder why he didn't?

by Anonymousreply 36January 17, 2023 12:34 AM

[quote] Molly Ringwald allegedly turned down Pretty Woman

I don't think she would have been believable as a hooker. Didn't she also turn down Ghost?

by Anonymousreply 37January 17, 2023 12:36 AM

I just noticed Drew Barrymore now has a line of small kitchen appliances at WalMart for some reason. Because when I think of air fryers, I think of Drew...

by Anonymousreply 38January 17, 2023 12:37 AM

When Gary talked Lucy out of doing "The Madwoman of Chaillot" instead of "Mame."

by Anonymousreply 39January 17, 2023 12:43 AM

Sherry Stringfield leaving ER.

by Anonymousreply 40January 17, 2023 12:47 AM

(R32) I really don’t think he’s that strong of an actor. He had a good supporting cast on that show. He couldn’t even do a decent Fletch.

by Anonymousreply 41January 17, 2023 12:58 AM

Being a drunk doesn’t help either.

by Anonymousreply 42January 17, 2023 1:00 AM

I don’t know about Jon Hamm. It seems like he’s really busy, and he had a pretty high profile role in Top Gun: Maverick, which was the second biggest grossing film last year. He seems to do a lot of fun stuff, like Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.

by Anonymousreply 43January 17, 2023 1:07 AM

Stanley Tucci doing a repetitious travel show. How many ways can you say "Wow"?

by Anonymousreply 44January 17, 2023 1:08 AM

Susan Dey turning down Sandy in 'Grease' (lucky for Olivia Newton-John, though).

Liz Taylor and Sophia Loren turning down Alexis in 'Dynasty' .

by Anonymousreply 45January 17, 2023 1:22 AM

Terry Farrell always asking for more than she was worth and getting fired because of it. She was good on Ted Danson's post-CHEERS show, BECKER, but sources said that she got greedy and was replaced by Nancy Travis. Allegedly she did this on another show too.

by Anonymousreply 46January 17, 2023 1:24 AM

Diana Ross taking the role of Dorothy in 'The Wiz'

by Anonymousreply 47January 17, 2023 1:25 AM

Farrah Fawcett leaving C A after 1 seasons .

by Anonymousreply 48January 17, 2023 1:30 AM

Nah, Farrah did ok, r48.

by Anonymousreply 49January 17, 2023 1:32 AM

Jeffrey Hunter for listening to his wife after the completion of the Star Trek pilot where he starred as Captain Christopher Pike:

"As the end credits rolled, and the lights came up, Jeff Hunter's wife gave us our answer: "This is not the kind of show Jeff wants to do, and besides, it wouldn't be good for his career. Jeff Hunter is a movie star." Mrs. Hunter was very polite and very firm. She said her good-byes and left, having surprisingly and swiftly removed our star from our new pilot."

(The other version is that he was fired because his wife was a pain in the ass)

by Anonymousreply 50January 17, 2023 1:42 AM

IMO, Farrah's life took a strange turn, if not financially, then personally. Stayed with crazy Ryan O'Neal all those years. Son ended up an addict, going in and out of jail. She got a new boyfriend at some point, James Orr, who got convicted for beating her up.

by Anonymousreply 51January 17, 2023 1:43 AM

Gina Carano not keeping her shit views hidden. Now she's doing weird Hunter Biden movies

Pedro Pascal even tried to help her not be an idiot and she still fucked it all up.

by Anonymousreply 52January 17, 2023 1:52 AM

Gina's political views should not have been grounds for firing her. Her acting, on the other hand...

by Anonymousreply 53January 17, 2023 2:00 AM

r53, you think it's wrong to fire someone for posting anti-Semitic memes? Okay

by Anonymousreply 54January 17, 2023 2:05 AM

Roseanne - posting racist shit on twitter

by Anonymousreply 55January 17, 2023 2:05 AM

R54, she did no such thing, and you know it.

by Anonymousreply 56January 17, 2023 2:06 AM

Van Johnson turned down the role of Eliot Ness on The Untouchables tv show

by Anonymousreply 57January 17, 2023 2:07 AM

r56, yes, she did. Fuck off, right-winger

by Anonymousreply 58January 17, 2023 2:07 AM

r45, has Susan Dey released a statement about Ms. Newton-John's death?

by Anonymousreply 59January 17, 2023 2:26 AM

[quote] I just noticed Drew Barrymore now has a line of small kitchen appliances at WalMart for some reason. Because when I think of air fryers, I think of Drew...

Also, Drew has been appearing in commercials for Grove cleaning products. I sort of get why she would fit shilling for those products. But, the Wal-Mart appliance thing is weird as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 60January 17, 2023 2:31 AM

Farrah did 3 shitty movies in a row after Charlie’s Angels and was sued. She was offered the Goldie hawn part in foul play and a bigger percentage of Charlie’s Angels merchandise if she stayed on the show. She turned it down and Goldie took the foul play part and it revived her career.

I think Sharon stone had a pay or play deal for basic instinct 2.

by Anonymousreply 61January 17, 2023 2:32 AM

Drew has/had a beauty brand with Walmart for years and has made a ton of money from it.

by Anonymousreply 62January 17, 2023 2:33 AM

To R13, OP..are u saying that Rachel from Suits marrying HRH Prince Harry was a terrible career decision? Seriously??? BTW, it was the best career decision Meghan could have made, however, leaving the "best role she could ever have" by making HRH Prince Hary leave the BRF to make $$$$. This is the dumbest fucking decision she ever made for her career. She married into the biggest international public platform in the world, and she blew it. Kaye becoming "HRH Princess of Wales", no one cares about Meghan except Meghan. Really bad career decision!!

by Anonymousreply 63January 17, 2023 2:34 AM

Betty Hutton getting knocked-up, becoming unavailable for a scheduled loan-out from her home studio, Paramount to Warner Brothers for "Romance On the High Seas" in 1948 . She was replaced by Les Brown's band singer, Doris Day.

Betty Hutton walking out on her Paramount contract a few years later when the studio wouldn't let her then-husband direct her next movie.

by Anonymousreply 64January 17, 2023 2:41 AM

Eve Plumb refusing to do the Brady Bunch Variety Hour.

Tina Louise refusing to do Return to Gilligan's Island.

by Anonymousreply 65January 17, 2023 2:45 AM

(R43) Busy doing what? Walk-ins on SNL and insurance commericals.

by Anonymousreply 66January 17, 2023 2:55 AM

Yes, David Caruso owns this thread: signed; sealed and delivered.

by Anonymousreply 67January 17, 2023 3:03 AM

Jayne Mansfield refusing to do the original Gilligans Island.

by Anonymousreply 68January 17, 2023 5:53 AM

Gil Bellows leaving Ally McBeal.

by Anonymousreply 69January 17, 2023 6:50 AM

Tony Martin turned down originating the role of Sky Masterson in Guys and Dolls on Broadway and Cyd Charisse turned down An American in Paris to have their son.

by Anonymousreply 70January 17, 2023 7:05 AM

Molly Ringwald again - apparently she was sent the Blue Velvet script (for the Laura Dern part) but her mother read it first and sent it back without Molly ever seeing it.

by Anonymousreply 71January 17, 2023 8:21 AM

Siggy not even being told by her agent that they wanted her for "The Piano". I guess the bad decision was on the agent's part as she sacked him!

by Anonymousreply 72January 17, 2023 9:36 AM

R72 Siggy?

by Anonymousreply 73January 17, 2023 10:22 AM

[quote]Denise said she quit because she didn't go to acting school to say "Aye, aye, captain!"

That is fucking hilarious, because Denise Crosby is one of the worst actors in the business. She was grating and whiny on ST:TNG and didn't fit in with the rest of the ensemble cast. Every line she uttered sounded like she thought she was in an after-school special.

by Anonymousreply 74January 17, 2023 11:54 AM

David Duchovny leaving X files to become a movie star.

by Anonymousreply 75January 17, 2023 12:14 PM

That ‘I can’t remember his name’ guy who turned down the role of Chandler on Friends.

by Anonymousreply 76January 17, 2023 12:40 PM

R73 Sigourney Weaver, maybe?

by Anonymousreply 77January 17, 2023 1:13 PM

Suzanne Somers owns this thread.

BTW, R44, Tucci's show came from fact that during the pandemic, he would post on Instagram his cooking skills. They became very popular, so much so that he wrote cookbooks and CNN gave him his own show. I don't think that qualifies as a bad career decision.

by Anonymousreply 78January 17, 2023 1:16 PM

Barbra Streisand for taking the role of 'Cheryl Gibbons' in the horrible "All Night Long" in 1981. She did it as a favor to her agent Sue Mengers at the time (who was married to the producer), and she got a few million for a film that didn't take long to make (she put the money she made into 'Yentl').

However, it flopped at the box office with her name all over it (it was pushed as a Streisand 'zany comedy' which it wasn't), cost Mengers her friendship and business relationship with Streisand, and is never ever mentioned in any interview with Streisand when discussing her film catalogue. She has distanced herself completely from this - as have most of her fans.

by Anonymousreply 79January 17, 2023 1:18 PM

Delta Burke for marrying Gerald McRaney and letting him guide her career right into the toilet by encouraging her to be a total pain in the ass on "Designing Women".

by Anonymousreply 80January 17, 2023 2:26 PM

I agree Farrah made a huge mistake which took her a long time to recover.

She thought she was a 'major star' when she finished the first season of Charlie's Angels (1976-77) and her poularity would transfer to the silver screen. However, after such major box office flops as the adult-oriented 'Somebody Killed Her Husband' and 'Sunburn' in the late 70s, she realized she wasn't the big talent she believed she was - her audience really was with teenage boys who turned into CA every week. Those teenage boys weren't exactly running to the movies to watch her in 'Sunburn'; they were watching 'Star Wars'.

She wisely got her career back on track in the early / mid 80s when she turned to TV dramas. But it was a long time coming to repair her stardom.

by Anonymousreply 81January 17, 2023 3:17 PM

Louise Brooks backing out ot fhe role Jean Harlow played in "The Public Enemy" ir order to take a trip to New York with her wealthy boyfriend.

Louise Brooks refusing to reloop her voice in "The Canary Murder Case." The studio offered her more money to do it, then even more money but she couldn't be bothered. A new actress had to be hired to do the voice all over again. It cemented her reputation for being irresponsible and unprofessional.

Louise Brooks not accepting G. W. Pabst's efforts to mentor her and guide her career. She just didn't give a damn and that's why her career in movies evaporated, not because she "walked out on Hollywood." Hollywood walked out on her.

by Anonymousreply 82January 18, 2023 2:52 AM

Who else?

by Anonymousreply 83January 18, 2023 2:57 AM

R82 at least it led to some good songs about her.

by Anonymousreply 84January 18, 2023 3:04 AM

Kim Cattrall all her new shows flopped

by Anonymousreply 85January 18, 2023 3:41 AM

r80, I have no idea what you are talking about.

by Anonymousreply 86January 18, 2023 3:53 AM

Chevy Chase thinking he was hot shit and leaving SNL after the first season for a mostly-disastrous movie career.

by Anonymousreply 87January 18, 2023 3:56 AM

Ezra Miller ending the hush payments to his victim's family once the girl turned 18.

by Anonymousreply 88January 18, 2023 4:29 AM

Stewart Granger turned down the part of Massala, in MGM's Ben-Hur, directed by William Wyler. Film won 11 Oscars incuding Best Picture, Actor, Director. Stephen Boyd got an Oscar nomination in the role. Granger's wife Jean Simmons turned down the female lead, also.

Granger's Hollywood career was all but over, and would have been revived by co-starring in this prestigious smash hit. But supposedly he or his agent thought he shouldn't support Charlton Heston, who wasn't a major star at the time (Heston had had 4th billing in a supporting role in the previous year's Wyler film, The Big Country).

by Anonymousreply 89January 18, 2023 5:10 AM

Joseph Gordon Levitt just... not finding a theme. He's dabbled in some drama, some comedy, some romance, but he's never made a big enough splash in any one genre. A couple good movies, just no personal identity or persona.

by Anonymousreply 90January 18, 2023 5:29 AM

Ingrid Bergman's decision to go to Italy in the late 40s to work with Roberto Rossellini.

Michael Wilding's decision to work in Hollywood after he married Elizabeth Taylor. His career in British films was doing great, his Hollywood career flopped, and his acting career neve recovered.

Montgomerey Clift's decision to turn down a lot of good films. He finally did Raintree County because he needed to make a film, having been off the screen for four years. (Then he had a serious car accident during the making of it.)

Norma Shearer's decision to turn down Mrs. Miniver.

by Anonymousreply 91January 18, 2023 5:31 AM

R90 I'd actually say Joseph Gordon Levitt's mistake was wanting to be an "autor" when he had a good gig as a male lead. He had some great momentum with stuff like 500 Days of Summer or Don Jon, then he went into directing/producing where he's just not brilliant enough to make it.

by Anonymousreply 92January 18, 2023 5:38 AM

Most of Marlon Brando's career decisions.

by Anonymousreply 93January 18, 2023 5:41 AM

Joan C was a fool to turn down "From Here To Eternity".

by Anonymousreply 94January 18, 2023 6:45 AM

Denise Crosby is in one of my favorite cult movies, Miracle Mile. She’s pretty terrible in it but it’s one of her better performances. She’s also awful in the original Pet Sematary and the Chucky rip-off Dolly Dearest. I’m not a Star Trek guy but the idea she thought she was too good for that show is laughable

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by Anonymousreply 95January 18, 2023 7:07 AM

The Cher Lori Davis infomercial.

by Anonymousreply 96January 18, 2023 7:12 AM

R85 While all of Kim's recent shows have flopped, I don't think turning down Sex and the City 3/And Just Like That was a career mistake either. I know I at least respect her more for sticking to her guns and the negative reaction to the new show has at least somewhat proven her right to skip out. (Definitely a financial mistake on her part though)

by Anonymousreply 97January 18, 2023 7:34 AM

[quote]Chevy Chase thinking he was hot shit and leaving SNL after the first season for a mostly-disastrous movie career.

This isn't true at all. Chevy Chase was huge in the late 1970s and 1980s. Those farces like "Foul Play" and "Seems Like Old Times" were hits at the box office, "Caddyshack" and the first National Lampoon movie are iconic, he was in "Fletch" and "Three Amigos" which were hits even if they're not very good or well remembered today.

by Anonymousreply 98January 18, 2023 7:49 AM

Robert DeNiro by doing that horrendously unfunny piece of crap called "Dirty Grandpa". At least one of his Oscars should've been revoked from him just for starring on it.

by Anonymousreply 99January 18, 2023 7:54 AM

R79 - I don't agree that All Night Long was a mistake for Barbra. I think she gives one of her best performances and has great chemistry with Gene Hackman. Hackman was also instrumental in getting her cast in something she had originally turned down. He had wanted her but settled for Lisa Eichhorn with whom he had an affair and then dumped and wanted her gone from the film. Jean-Claude Tramont was the film's director and the one married to Sue Mengers who was both Gene and Barbra's agent.

by Anonymousreply 100January 18, 2023 8:00 AM

[quote]Okay, R21 wins!

I wouldn't call "Mame," as lousy as that movie is, and as bad as Lucy was in it, a bad "career decision." Lucy's career was winding down at that point anyway, She was in her 60s and still doing pratfalls on "Here's Lucy," a sitcom as awful in its way as "Mame" was. (Let's not even mention "Life With Lucy," which was just sad.) Lucy's post-"Mame" career would have been exactly the same had she never made that movie. A series of mediocre TV specials and a belated effort to do something "different and challenging" in the TV movie "Stone Pillow."

by Anonymousreply 101January 18, 2023 8:01 AM

George Raft turning down High Sierra, The Maltese Falcon and Casablanca, though the latter one may be a myth.

by Anonymousreply 102January 18, 2023 8:09 AM

R89, Stephen Boyd was not actually nominated for an Oscar for 'Ben-Hur', although many people are surprised that he wasn't. It certainly could be argued that he was more deserving of the Oscar for Supporting Actor than his 'Ben'Hur' co-star Hugh Griffith, who ended up winning.

by Anonymousreply 103January 18, 2023 8:35 AM

Need I say more?

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by Anonymousreply 104January 18, 2023 8:51 AM

It's remarkable how quickly the Joseph Gordon Levitt train fell off the wheels.

He was riding high in 2012 with key roles in "The Dark Knight Rises" and "Lincoln" as well as the lead in "Looper", while his 2013 directorial debut did very well considering it was about porn addiction.

He supposedly turned down "Guardians of the Galaxy", "Ant-Man" and "Godzilla" in favour of the "Sin City" sequel while he bet on major filmmakers who had seen better days: Robert Zemeckis and Oliver Stone, both of whom delivered noted box office disappointments.

Like his buddy Channing Tatum, he was also attached in front of and behind the camera to a comicbook property that he couldn't get a greenlight for: "Sandman".

By 2016, he was done.

He should have just said yes to Marvel. Audiences didn't even give him the credit for taking risks on the mid-budget film that supposedly everyone misses while Marvel actors get chance after chance from studios and financiers because there's always a blockbuster around the corner.

by Anonymousreply 105January 18, 2023 9:26 AM

[quote]R61 She turned FOUL PLAY down and Goldie took the part and it revived her career.

Fawcett was also in negotiations to do COMA when she fled CHARLIE’s ANGELS, but ABC let it be known around town there could be legal ramifications for hiring a performer presently engaged in an existing contract dispute.

The film turned out to be a hit when recast with Geneviève Bujold (who certainly elevated the material.)

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by Anonymousreply 106January 18, 2023 9:31 AM

[quote]R94 Joan C was a fool to turn down "From Here To Eternity".

She didn’t turn it down, the producers eventually got sick of her demands and moved on down the list.

by Anonymousreply 107January 18, 2023 9:37 AM

Johnny Depp making "The Rum Diary" had so many consequences for the rest of his life.

It even began the overpaid/box office failure narrative.

by Anonymousreply 108January 18, 2023 9:49 AM

Melissa McCarthy working with her husband.

by Anonymousreply 109January 18, 2023 10:42 AM

Lana Turner walking out on “Anatomy of a Murder”.

Lauren Bacall turning down “The Man With the Golden Arm”.

Both had issues with director Otto Preminger.

Lana insisted on a glamorous wardrobe for her character and Bacall wanted more money than Otto would offer.

by Anonymousreply 110January 18, 2023 10:53 AM

Mia Farrow turned down True Grit, to make the awful John and Mary, and leaving Peyton Place to marry Sinatra did not endear her to Fox. Without Frank to shield her, she was forced to work off her old Fox contract, making a silly tv movie Goodbye Raggedy Ann. Moving to England didn't help, either.

by Anonymousreply 111January 18, 2023 11:47 AM

I came here to mention Dan Stevens, who gave up DA to move to California and become a movie star, but it has already been mentioned.

R45, i Dont think Sophia Loren or Elizabeth Taylor made a mistake turning down Alexis in Dynasty. Both were old school stars who i dont see accepting the increasing camp trashiness of that role (which would have tarnished their reputations). Much as i think she is a lousy actress, Joan Collins made the role all her own.

by Anonymousreply 112January 18, 2023 12:01 PM

Mike Myers doing The Love Guru when he welcome was clearly wearing out post-Austin Powers. Ended his lead career.

by Anonymousreply 113January 18, 2023 12:44 PM

Lady Gaga and ARTFLOP

by Anonymousreply 114January 18, 2023 12:46 PM

Yeah what about music.

Garth Brooks’ Chris Gaines album.

by Anonymousreply 115January 18, 2023 1:00 PM

Billy Eichner - “Bros”

by Anonymousreply 116January 18, 2023 1:53 PM

John Belushi playing Elizabeth Taylor playing Alexis Carrington


by Anonymousreply 117January 18, 2023 2:25 PM

[quote]Fawcett was also in negotiations to do COMA when she fled CHARLIE’s ANGELS, but ABC let it be known around town there could be legal ramifications for hiring a performer presently engaged in an existing contract dispute.

This is the reason she was dropped from the movie "Foul Play" as well - the studio didn't want to take a chance with her while in a legal dispute with ABC / Aarron Spelling Productions. They replaced her with Goldie Hawn.

by Anonymousreply 118January 18, 2023 2:28 PM

Timothee Chalamet in Wonka

by Anonymousreply 119January 18, 2023 2:29 PM

R112, was Dan Stevens leaving Downton Abbey really that bad of a decision? He hasn't had a hit except for Beauty and the Beast (and even though he doesn't deserve any credit for that movie's success, a hit is a hit), but he has worked steadily since leaving the show. He isn't doing significantly worse than Michelle Dockery, who stayed with Downton through the entire series and remained mostly on television.

I can't imagine him emerging as a bigger star had he stayed. He was probably always meant for the level of career he has now, whether or not he remained at Downton.

by Anonymousreply 120January 18, 2023 3:03 PM

Eve Plumb not playing Jan in the Brady Bunch Variety Hour. Had she appeared, it might still be on the air today.

by Anonymousreply 121January 18, 2023 3:06 PM

Beanie, for turning down the lead in the "Orca" remake.

by Anonymousreply 122January 18, 2023 3:08 PM

There was a proposal to remake the 1981 French thriller film "Diva" into an American film in the mid- 1980s, with Diana Ross as the unrecorded opera singer. Eddie Murphy's name was bounced around as the male courier who secretly tapes her, and gets caught into a scandal, involved with the mob. Ross, however, wanted the movie to be rewritten in a way in which the focus of the movie would be on her and her career, and she would be involved with the mob. That would be a whole different movie all together, and the producers tried to 'reason' with her for the writers to stick with the original French film. Ross wouldn't give in, as she wanted to be the 'star' not a 'costar' to Murphy . The project was dropped, Murphy went on to other box office hits in the 80s, and Ross' film career stayed dead. This could have revived her movie career, which was on a roll in the 1970s.

(A proposal later on with Whitney Houston as the star, a follow-up to 'The Bodyguard' , and Will Smith as her co-star, never got passed the 'idea' stages).

by Anonymousreply 123January 18, 2023 3:10 PM

Great thread.

by Anonymousreply 124January 18, 2023 3:30 PM

R120, perhaps you re right, but he left at a time and in a manner that i think angered fans and the producers, etc. His (perfectly legitimate) decision to move country was made rather bombastically and probably did not help his subsquent career.

by Anonymousreply 125January 18, 2023 4:01 PM


I’ll just leave this right here…

by Anonymousreply 126January 18, 2023 4:24 PM

[quote] Doing annoying stupid commercials. Too many to name.

Actors make more money from these than from a movie sometimes. I wouldn't call that a bad career decision.

by Anonymousreply 127January 18, 2023 4:29 PM

A lot of American A listers go to Asia to endorse products. Not only does it pay well, they don’t suffer from overexposure.

by Anonymousreply 128January 18, 2023 4:51 PM

Roman Polanski asking Samantha Geimer's mother if he could photograph her daughter as part of his work for the French edition of Vogue,

by Anonymousreply 129January 18, 2023 5:19 PM

Gina Carano (a) made a social media post mocking the trans community, then when called out (b) self pityingly compared herself to Jews killed in the Holocaust. Even if you think those are okay things to say, you understand why Disney would choose not to associate their brand with someone this tone deaf, gauche and creepy?

by Anonymousreply 130January 18, 2023 5:22 PM

Yes Woody Allen did a commercial in Japan.

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by Anonymousreply 131January 18, 2023 5:23 PM

Speaking of tone deaf, gauche and creepy.

by Anonymousreply 132January 18, 2023 5:27 PM

[quote]Gina Carano not keeping her shit views hidden. Now she's doing weird Hunter Biden movies

She was such a stupid bitch. She had a golden ticket with the Star Wars franchise and all that Disney $$$. She basically blew the job of a lifetime.

by Anonymousreply 133January 18, 2023 5:33 PM

Harrison Ford’s Kirin Beer ad.

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by Anonymousreply 134January 18, 2023 5:37 PM

David Duchovny pretty much disappeared after he left X Files.

by Anonymousreply 135January 18, 2023 5:55 PM

Did Duchovny ever make any successful films?

by Anonymousreply 136January 18, 2023 5:59 PM

David Caruso did two films after leaving NYPD Blue - Kiss of Death and Jade - that were absolute garbage. Ruined his career until CSI Miami resurrected it nearly a decade later.

by Anonymousreply 137January 18, 2023 6:02 PM

Even when Caruso had a hit show with CSI: Miami, he still remained kind of joke based on his campy line readings of that show's bad dialogue. I'm sure he made a ton of money off of it, but it didn't quite restore his reputation.

by Anonymousreply 138January 18, 2023 6:07 PM

And I haven’t seen Caruso since his show was canceled.

by Anonymousreply 139January 18, 2023 6:09 PM

I agree with r120, I don't think leaving DA really hurt Dan Stevens

by Anonymousreply 140January 18, 2023 6:22 PM

R120 I'm not certain Michelle Dockery wanted to be any more famous than she is?

Her fiancé, John Dineen, died of cancer aged 34 towards the end of Downton and she had a weird stalker.

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by Anonymousreply 141January 18, 2023 6:37 PM

1980s Faye in a Japanese commercial for the luxury department store Parco:

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by Anonymousreply 142January 18, 2023 6:52 PM

Michael Fassbender when he starred in the dreadful "Assassin's Creed" film.

I'm also thinking of Aaron Paul, who thought he could be a box-office star after "Breaking Bad" and ended up doing that shitty "Need for Speed" film.

by Anonymousreply 143January 18, 2023 7:29 PM

When Laurence Olivier appeared in Polaroid commercials in the 1970s, one of his conditions was that they not be shown in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 144January 18, 2023 8:06 PM

Duchovny's biggest gig after XFiles was probably Californication on Showtime which ended in 2014 after 7 seasons

by Anonymousreply 145January 19, 2023 1:00 AM

^^^He can live off of the money that he made from that I bet, R145.

by Anonymousreply 146January 19, 2023 1:08 AM

[quote] was Dan Stevens leaving Downton Abbey really that bad of a decision?

I think he left at least in part because Lord Fellows cannot write a script or plot a series to save his life (see also The Gilded Age), and I respect Stevens for that, but I do wonder if he regrets missing out on the payday for the 2 Downton films.

Of course, both films have casts of thousands, so the cash may be spread around rather thinly too…

by Anonymousreply 147January 19, 2023 1:17 AM

Linda Blair and The Exorcist II.

by Anonymousreply 148January 19, 2023 1:26 AM

John Gilbert probably could have bought himself out of his MGM contract or gotten released from it, instead of staying there with a "they're not going to get rid of me" attitude while he made lousy films at a time MGM was making some great films and had some great female stars they never co-starred him with.

by Anonymousreply 149January 19, 2023 1:26 AM

Kevin Costner’s decision to inflict The Postman on the world (with himself as star/producer/director) was a career catastrophe.

by Anonymousreply 150January 19, 2023 1:35 AM

I think in Compulsion (1959) Orson Welles refused to do retakes or post production, and his final speech had to be put together from various takes and small cuts.. Richard Fleischer, the director, felt if he had put in the work he would have gotten a supporting actor nomination or win.

by Anonymousreply 151January 19, 2023 1:41 AM

r150 I never saw The Postman but to this day Waterworld remains the single worst piece of shit movie I have ever seen in a theater. It was excruciating.

by Anonymousreply 152January 19, 2023 1:47 AM

Madonna deciding she could become and was one.

by Anonymousreply 153January 19, 2023 1:51 AM

It wasn't really his decision but Henry Fonda lost the lead in the play, Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf? when his agent turned it down without consulting him, and singed him up for the film, Spencer's Mountain. He also turned down the lead in Executive Suite because he planned on starring in the Rodgers & Hammerstein musical, Pipe Dream. However after months of vocal training, Fonda still wasn't able to sing to anyone's satisfaction.

by Anonymousreply 154January 19, 2023 1:59 AM

*Executive Suite (1954) - the role was played by William Holden.

by Anonymousreply 155January 19, 2023 2:00 AM

Bad plastic surgery is one of the very worst career decisions. Many have destroyed their faces and their unique looks and couldn't get the same level of work again.

by Anonymousreply 156January 19, 2023 2:31 AM

[quote]r156 Bad plastic surgery is one of the very worst career decisions.

You just WATCH IT, little homosexual boy.

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by Anonymousreply 157January 19, 2023 2:51 AM

R156 - that's crazy talk

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by Anonymousreply 158January 19, 2023 4:08 AM

Diana Ross playing Dorothy in The Wiz (1978) It was her final film.

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by Anonymousreply 159January 19, 2023 4:13 AM

Richard Burton marrying Elizabeth Taylor. Before marrying her he was an admired, respected actor. After they married he lost his acting cred and became a tabloid celebrity. Quite a comedown.

by Anonymousreply 160January 19, 2023 4:21 AM

After marrying Taylor, Burton was nominated 5 times for Best Actor for Beckett, The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, Anne of the Thousand days and Equus.

by Anonymousreply 161January 19, 2023 4:46 AM

[quote] [R120] I'm not certain Michelle Dockery wanted to be any more famous than she is?

Not R120, but I think if Michelle Dockery could have done movies and/or something "more" than Downton Abbey, she would have. I think she's just very grounded and practical about money.

by Anonymousreply 162January 19, 2023 4:57 AM

[quote]Richard Burton marrying Elizabeth Taylor. Before marrying her he was an admired, respected actor. After they married he lost his acting cred and became a tabloid celebrity. Quite a comedown.

Except he made "Becket," "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold," "Night Of The Iguana," "Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf", "Taming Of The Shrew," and "Anne Of The Thousand Days" after marrying ET.

He also played Churchill in "The Gathering Storm." "Equus" was between marriages. "Wagner" was a 10-part mini-series with Vanessa Redgrave that was well-received and his penultimate film was "1984."

Yeah, he also did a lot of shit films in that period after the first ET marriage, but five of his seven Oscar nominations came after 1964.

by Anonymousreply 163January 19, 2023 5:01 AM

Rob Morrow left Northern Exposure and didn’t do much after Quiz Show

by Anonymousreply 164January 19, 2023 5:21 AM

Grace Kelly leaving Hollywood for Monaco.

by Anonymousreply 165January 19, 2023 6:22 AM

It not only killed her career, r165, it actually killed her.

by Anonymousreply 166January 19, 2023 11:18 AM

Geena Davis, Cutthroat Island

by Anonymousreply 167January 19, 2023 12:26 PM

OP- I never understood why that LESBIAN quit that show to go quickly into obscurity.

by Anonymousreply 168January 19, 2023 12:53 PM

ONJ following 'Grease' with 'Xanadu' and then following that with 'Two of a Kind'. Did she even read the scripts ? It's like she purposely wanted to end her movie career.

by Anonymousreply 169January 19, 2023 12:57 PM

Going swimming

by Anonymousreply 170January 19, 2023 12:58 PM

Going hiking

by Anonymousreply 171January 19, 2023 12:59 PM

Going to LA

by Anonymousreply 172January 19, 2023 1:00 PM

Going on a spiritual journey.

by Anonymousreply 173January 19, 2023 1:02 PM

Dana Plato doing soft core in ‘Different Strokes: The Story of Jack and Jill...and Jill’. She should have followed Mrs Garrett to Eastland.

by Anonymousreply 174January 19, 2023 1:51 PM

Crispin Glover almost kicking David Letterman in the head on national television and behaving like a freak. Career-DONE.

by Anonymousreply 175January 19, 2023 2:05 PM

Yes because his career ended in the 80s. Ovah!

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by Anonymousreply 176January 19, 2023 2:14 PM

R176-Oh my, all those top-shelf projects.

by Anonymousreply 177January 19, 2023 2:16 PM

Crispin Glover's career mistake was accusing Spielberg of pedophilia.

by Anonymousreply 178January 19, 2023 2:37 PM


by Anonymousreply 179January 19, 2023 2:41 PM

Alec Baldwin on set with a loaded gun. Manslaughter.

by Anonymousreply 180January 19, 2023 3:17 PM

Not going supporting.

by Anonymousreply 181January 19, 2023 3:20 PM

Michelle Pfeiffer turning down the role of Clarice Starling.

by Anonymousreply 182January 19, 2023 3:22 PM

Streisand turning down the lead role in "Splash" which made Darryl Hannah a star. Streisand thought the script was 'too silly'.

Streisand turning down the lead in 'Cabaret' which earned Liza an Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 183January 19, 2023 3:27 PM

I never knew Streisand was offered "Cabaret"...WOW!! Barbra as Sally Bowles-Interesting??

She would have been good with Michael York, she loved her male co-stars!!Barbra

by Anonymousreply 184January 19, 2023 3:34 PM

Streisand was offered many roles after 'Funny Girl' and 'Hello Dolly', which she turned down. Another one was 'Klute' which went to Jane Fonda. Streisand has joked (?) over the years that she gave Fonda 'her career' since Fonda won the Oscar for that role (I think Fonda got tired of that comment over the years, and asked Streisand to stop).

by Anonymousreply 185January 19, 2023 4:06 PM

Fonda had already appeared in a dozen films prior to Streisand's debut in 1968s Funny Girl. Fonda was in hit films like Cat Ballou, (1965), Barefoot in the Park (1967) and Barbarella (1968) and was nominated for an Oscar for They Shoot Horses, Don't They? (1969) before Klute (1971).

by Anonymousreply 186January 19, 2023 4:21 PM

I can see Barbra fucking Michael York& Bob Fosse at different parts of the day after filming..

2 control freaks trying to control the filming of "Cabaret" Fosse vs. Barbra...I would pay to watch that documentary.

by Anonymousreply 187January 19, 2023 5:51 PM

[quote] Streisand turning down the lead role in "Splash" which made Darryl Hannah a star. Streisand thought the script was 'too silly'.

Streisand also turned down singing "Beauty and the Beast" (due to the lyrics). Celine Dion (and Peabo Bryson) ended up singing it. This was a pivotal song for Celine, IIRC. I actually like this song & think that Celine and Peabo sound great on it.

by Anonymousreply 188January 19, 2023 5:52 PM

Lucille Ball turning down the Angie Dickinson part in Dressed To Kill. She even shaved her pussy for the shower scene, but changed her mind at the last minute.

by Anonymousreply 189January 19, 2023 5:59 PM

Slumber parties with boys

by Anonymousreply 190January 19, 2023 6:10 PM

Taika Waititi (a) staging that three-way for photographers while shooting a DISNEY movie. (b) publicly ridiculing his TLT VFX artists, (c) becoming Rita Ora’s official pimp.

by Anonymousreply 191January 19, 2023 6:36 PM

[quote] Streisand also turned down singing "Beauty and the Beast" (due to the lyrics).


by Anonymousreply 192January 19, 2023 7:27 PM

She found the lyrics "finding you can change, learning you are wrong" offensive, because she will never change and thinks she is never wrong.

by Anonymousreply 193January 19, 2023 7:32 PM

R186 - Streisand turned down 'They Shoot Horses...' and 'Julia', as well as 'Klute'. The quote about giving Fonda her career was from 2016 and came up repeatedly, afterward.

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by Anonymousreply 194January 19, 2023 8:24 PM

Like Barbra would've been believable as an expensive call girl in Klute. Fonda was a very attractive woman.

by Anonymousreply 195January 19, 2023 8:37 PM

Barbra was a very expensive call girl in 'For Pete's Sake' (1974) and 'Nuts' (1987).

by Anonymousreply 196January 19, 2023 9:01 PM

I think those two movies prove that Barbra is completely unbelievable as an expensive call girl, R196.

by Anonymousreply 197January 19, 2023 9:16 PM

Remember Joe Queenan from Movieline? He reviewed Nuts and said something to the effect of "if women who looked like Barbra Streisand could get $200 for a blowjob, prostitution would be the most overcrowded profession in the country."

by Anonymousreply 198January 19, 2023 9:18 PM

Joe Queenan doesn't know much about prostitution. Or women

by Anonymousreply 199January 19, 2023 9:47 PM

Claire Danes turning down Titanic (though the movie is better for it)

by Anonymousreply 200January 19, 2023 10:04 PM

R187, And Bob Fosse was majorly hung.

by Anonymousreply 201January 19, 2023 10:12 PM

R196, And “The Owl and the Pussycat”.

by Anonymousreply 202January 19, 2023 10:17 PM

[quote]R184 I never knew Streisand was offered "Cabaret"...WOW!! Barbra as Sally Bowles-Interesting

Wouldn’t having Sally be obviously Jewish RATHER alter the story, as WWII looms? That’s what Marisa Berenson’s character is for.

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by Anonymousreply 203January 20, 2023 12:18 AM

Katharine Hepburn agreeing to appear in “Love Affair”, her final film.

by Anonymousreply 204January 20, 2023 12:40 AM

[quote] After marrying Taylor, Burton was nominated 5 times for Best Actor for Beckett, The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, Anne of the Thousand days and Equus.

But he never WON any of them. And that's because he wasn't well thought of as an actor anymore; he was just half of Liz and Dick.

by Anonymousreply 205January 20, 2023 12:41 AM

R203, well they could have just played with the juxtaposition of the pretty Jewish girl and the NOT pretty Jewish girl, instead...

by Anonymousreply 206January 20, 2023 12:44 AM

R205, Not True. He returned to Broadway after Elizabeth and gave a stunning performance In Equus.

by Anonymousreply 207January 20, 2023 12:44 AM

He returned to Broadway WITH Elizabeth in Private Lives.

by Anonymousreply 208January 20, 2023 1:21 AM

[quote]Katharine Hepburn agreeing to appear in “Love Affair”, her final film.

Like Katharine Hepburn was fretting about career choices as her life was nearing its end.

by Anonymousreply 209January 20, 2023 2:02 AM

[quote] Not True. He returned to Broadway after Elizabeth and gave a stunning performance In Equus.

That was AFTER he detached himself from Liz. It did his career good to not be associated with her anymore.

{quote] He returned to Broadway WITH Elizabeth in Private Lives.

For the money. "Private Lives" was awful but people came to see it to watch the spectacle of Liz and Dick Together Again. But it was hell for him working with her. She was irresponsible and unprofessional.

by Anonymousreply 210January 20, 2023 2:40 AM

I think he did HAMLET on Broadway while they were together, too?

by Anonymousreply 211January 20, 2023 3:38 AM

Lunt-Fontanne Theatre (Apr 09, 1964 - Aug 08, 1964)

by Anonymousreply 212January 20, 2023 3:48 AM

Burton's marriages to Taylor lasted from 15 March 1964 to 26 June 1974 and from 10 October 1975 to 29 July 1976.

by Anonymousreply 213January 20, 2023 3:49 AM

R163 He did a lot of shit films before marrying Taylor. The Sea Wife (with Joan Collins, who turned out to be a nun), Alexander The Great, The Bramble Bush, The Rains Of Ranchipur (a remake of The Rains Came, with Lana Turner), Ice Palace, and, arguably, The Robe, though it was a smash hit. He was kind of known for that.

by Anonymousreply 214January 20, 2023 6:59 PM

Mary Louise Wilson for taking the role of 'Ginny Wroblicki' on One Day At A Time in it's second season.

According to her memoir, she A) Never watched television so she wasn't familiar with this comedy B) Never read any scripts from previous episodes, so she wasn't familiar with the tone of the show or its humor C) Didn't want to leave Broadway for LA because she loved being a Broadway musical theater actress, and had no desire to be on a weekly sitcom.

But her agent at the time told her to take the role - so she did. And hated every minute of it.

by Anonymousreply 215January 20, 2023 7:11 PM

Tab Hunter decided to leave Warner Bros. when he was a big star, to freelance, which he later said was a big mistake. Warener Bros. just replaced him with Troy Donahue. TH had to support his mother, who had mental illness and underwent hospitaization and shock treatments. He had to take anything to make money, and within a few years was making crappy films. His career never recovered. Though he always kept working, and seemed to have had a happy life, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 216January 20, 2023 7:25 PM

I love “Burton & Taylor” with Dominic West and Helena Bonham Carter.

by Anonymousreply 217January 20, 2023 8:00 PM

Streisand again - for leaving Jon Peter's management in the mid-80s and ending back up with Marty by the end of that decade.

When Peters took over as her manager in 1974, he propelled her to a new universe in stardom, making her act younger and hipper in her acting and music career . It was he who is credited with finding 'A Star Is Born' for her, and introducing her to a younger generation of movie and music fans, who never knew of her via 'Funny Girl', 'Hello Dolly' and 'On A Clear Day'; 'ASIB' becoming one of her biggest movie hits, and won her a second Oscar.

In her music career, he put her at the top of the charts with her string of top 10 hits and four number ones from 1976-1980 (in the 14 years prior to that, she only had one number one hit in 1974, and not many top 10 hits). Again, Peters knew how to open her up to a whole new generation of younger fans who weren't familiar with her 60s music. She still had hit albums after leaving Peters in the mid-80s (I think "Emotion" was the last album he was responsible for her) but her appearances on Top 40 radio and Billboard charts soon faded.

by Anonymousreply 218January 20, 2023 8:19 PM

Just to be clear, the song, Evergreen, won her a second Oscar, not her acting in ASIB.

by Anonymousreply 219January 20, 2023 10:09 PM

Some Barbra fans think her allowing Jon Peters to influence her career was her worst career decision. They split because neither he nor Sue Mengers wanted her to do Yentl. Peters wanted her to do the film of Evita thinking this would be a hit from the soundtrack with Barbra's recording even though she was too old to play Eva Peron despite how good she looked for her age.

by Anonymousreply 220January 20, 2023 10:22 PM

Madonna - the Sex book and the American Life album

by Anonymousreply 221January 20, 2023 10:23 PM

R218 Correction: BS did not win a second Oscar for ASIB or anything else.

by Anonymousreply 222January 20, 2023 10:24 PM

Best Original Song

A Star Is Born "Evergreen (Love Theme from A Star Is Born)" from A Star Is Born – Music by Barbra Streisand; Lyrics by Paul Williams

by Anonymousreply 223January 20, 2023 10:28 PM

^ Oscars

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by Anonymousreply 224January 20, 2023 10:30 PM

R223 I know but I thought you meant a "second Oscar" for acting, the way you wrote it.

by Anonymousreply 225January 20, 2023 10:37 PM

[quuote] He did a lot of shit films before marrying Taylor.

He didn't become joke fodder for comedians until he married her. His reputation definitely changed after he married her, and not for the better.

by Anonymousreply 226January 20, 2023 11:17 PM

R220 - He stayed around as her manager until the end of 1984 / early 1985. His last project with her was her album "Emotion" , which didn't score high on the album charts, but sold very well in the long run - selling platinum by the end of December, 1984 (the album was released in October 1984). She then went with Sandy Gallin in 1985, and was back with Marty E. around 1988/89. By then, Peters became a Hollywood movie mogul.

So the peak of her career - arguably, the most successful years in music and movies - was under Peters from 1974 - 1984.

by Anonymousreply 227January 21, 2023 1:08 AM

Gwyneth Paltrow - couldn't keep her mouth shut and she continued to blab away, sounding more elitist and tone-deaf with each comment. Now, she's one of the most disliked celebrities in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 228January 21, 2023 3:39 AM

Gwynnie - the vagina candle

Bennifer - Gigli

by Anonymousreply 229January 21, 2023 3:41 AM

Dana Plato: Getting fired from [italic]Diff'rent Strokes[/italic] for getting pregnant, trusting a crooked business manager with her TV money, and becoming a druggie fuckup.

By the time she did the softcore flick mentioned at R174, the only other work she could get was occasional parts in straight-to-video films. She also worked minimum-wage jobs and was allegedly a street hooker at her lowest point.

by Anonymousreply 230January 21, 2023 4:26 AM

After her Oscar nom, Warner Bros. refused to loan out Carroll Baker for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Three Faces of Eve, The Devil’s Disciple, and The Brothers Karamazov.

She’d refused to do Too Much, Too Soon (amongst other trash) for this employer, and the studio was having NONE of it!

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by Anonymousreply 231January 21, 2023 4:55 AM

Katherine Heigl humbly withdrawing her name from Emmy contention (for "Grey's Anatomy") because she wasn't "given the material this season to warrant an Emmy nomination."

She was released from her contract and did commercials for ZzzQuil and Cat's Pride.

by Anonymousreply 232January 21, 2023 5:03 AM

Courtney Cox for refusing Desperate Housewives

by Anonymousreply 233January 21, 2023 9:30 AM

Marrying Prince Harry.

by Anonymousreply 234January 21, 2023 12:11 PM

To R228, I agree with you, but I would typed "one of the most disliked& hated actresses-personalities". in the Continental USA!! Maybe Hallmark movie where she dies!!

by Anonymousreply 235January 21, 2023 4:10 PM

Stop r234, not even related to the topic. For the umpteenth time.

by Anonymousreply 236January 21, 2023 6:38 PM

[quote]Denise Crosby quitting ST. I saw her in a Z list horror some year back.

Denise, was she the oldest kid on "The Cosby Show"?

by Anonymousreply 237January 21, 2023 7:26 PM

Wearing bib overalls on Password Plus

by Anonymousreply 238January 21, 2023 7:42 PM

[Quote]But he never WON any of them. And that's because he wasn't well thought of as an actor anymore; he was just half of Liz and Dick.

Then why was Burton nominated 5 X between 1965 and 1978 and receive raves for his performances if he wasn't thought of as an actor anymore?

by Anonymousreply 239January 22, 2023 3:48 AM

Richard Burton was just one of many to have received multiple nominations and no win.

If he had not died at 58 in 1984, he surely would have been awarded an honorary Oscar as Peter O’Toole and Deborah Kerr were, both multiple nominees.

by Anonymousreply 240January 22, 2023 4:14 AM

[quote] Then why was Burton nominated 5 X between 1965 and 1978 and receive raves for his performances if he wasn't thought of as an actor anymore?

He didn't have the respect he once had. He and Liz were in the tabloids constantly; that didn't help his career any. One of his peers was Paul Scofield. In an interview some news person asked why de didn't do quality work like Paul Scorfield. Liz got really pissed off and railed at the interviewer but Burton just smoothed it over. By the way Scofield, who was never the star Burton was, won an Oscar. Why did Burton never win one? Becasue the whole Liz and Dick debacle, the boozing, the arguments, the bad movies, tarnished him.

by Anonymousreply 241January 22, 2023 4:50 AM

Glenn Close and O'Toole were nominated for Oscars 8 times each, Burton 7 and Kerr 6 times without a win. Hilary Swank was nominated twice and won each time. Lee Marvin, David Niven, Charleton Heston, Adrian Brody, Louise Fletcher and Shirley Booth on some of the many actors who won Oscars on their first and only nominations.

by Anonymousreply 242January 22, 2023 4:51 AM


by Anonymousreply 243January 22, 2023 4:52 AM

R241, Here is that interview where Elizabeth loses it.

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by Anonymousreply 244January 22, 2023 5:55 AM

What a mouthy shrew.

by Anonymousreply 245January 22, 2023 6:02 AM

R244, You can hear Burton say “Elizabeth, pull yourself together”.

by Anonymousreply 246January 22, 2023 6:06 AM

R221, the Sex book may have not been a commercial success but gave Madonna fame and visibility in a global scale. I think it was actually a very clever career move.

by Anonymousreply 247January 22, 2023 3:44 PM

R244 - Good for her ! I'm glad she spoke up and pointed out the inaccuracies of what the interviewer was saying. Burton should have been happy she did that.

by Anonymousreply 248January 22, 2023 3:49 PM

Helen Lawson doing that Gang Bang video.

by Anonymousreply 249January 22, 2023 3:59 PM

R248, It was obviously a sore point with Elizabeth, but the interviewer was correct in pointing out how few and far between Paul Scofield’s screen appearances were.

by Anonymousreply 250January 22, 2023 4:24 PM

Halle Berry doing CATWOMAN. Completely destroyed her post-Oscar career momentum. But Hollywood really did not know how to handle her after her win.

by Anonymousreply 251January 22, 2023 5:32 PM

But we got a good acceptance speech!

“I never in my life thought I would be up here… I have a lot of people to thank, because you don’t win a Razzie without a lot of help from a lot of people.”

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by Anonymousreply 252January 22, 2023 5:39 PM

R242, I guess Glenn is....the biggest loser

by Anonymousreply 253January 22, 2023 6:26 PM

[quote]Glenn Close and O'Toole were nominated for Oscars 8 times each, Burton 7 and Kerr 6 times without a win.

"It's an honor just to be nominated."

by Anonymousreply 254January 22, 2023 6:31 PM

Even dressing as an Oscar won’t save you.

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by Anonymousreply 255January 22, 2023 7:03 PM

[quote]r231 After her Oscar nom, Warner Bros. refused to loan out Carroll Baker for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Three Faces of Eve, The Devil’s Disciple, and The Brothers Karamazov.

I have to go back to this, because Baker is so fantastic in “Baby Doll.”

Those first two roles especially would have really showcased her amazing talent. As it was, she slumped through a lot of undazzling stuff until she was recycled as a plastic sex bomb when Marilyn Monroe died, then took off to do Giallo trash in Italy for a decade.

It really is a great loss that she didn’t get the right roles at the right time.

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by Anonymousreply 256January 22, 2023 7:18 PM

Liza Minnelli starred in a string of high-profiled box-office flops after winning the Oscar for 'Cabaret'.

'Lucky Lady', 'New York, New York', 'Rent-A-Cop', etc. Her only box office hit after the Oscar was 1981's "Arthur" which she co-starred with Dudley Moore. Her follow-up in the 1988 sequel was a bomb, though.

by Anonymousreply 257January 22, 2023 10:35 PM

Julian Sands - Time to climb Mt. Baldy!!!

by Anonymousreply 258January 22, 2023 10:58 PM

R257, And let’s not forget this bomb.

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by Anonymousreply 259January 22, 2023 11:00 PM

R259 an absolutely terrible film. I was glad when Miss Bergman got offed by the taxicab.

by Anonymousreply 260January 23, 2023 12:45 AM

Cher doing these infomercial after winning an Oscar

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by Anonymousreply 261January 23, 2023 4:23 AM

Hey I may be fat but my hair is fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 262January 23, 2023 7:53 AM

What happened to Lori Davis ?

by Anonymousreply 263January 23, 2023 8:38 PM

You could have had a convincing answer from Vic Morrow but you would have had to hurry.

by Anonymousreply 264January 23, 2023 8:41 PM

Lori still has a website.

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by Anonymousreply 265January 23, 2023 9:18 PM

Cher is my all-time number one, but this is still hilarious thirty years later.

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by Anonymousreply 266January 23, 2023 11:58 PM

[Quote] the interviewer was correct in pointing out how few and far between Paul Scofield’s screen appearances were.

Was that by choice or was Scofield not offered many film roles? BTW Brando often considered one of America's greatest actors never returned to the legitimate stage after he started in films nor did Streisand.

by Anonymousreply 267January 24, 2023 12:46 AM

R265 Thanks for the link. The website looks like it hasn't been updated since 2003. Can't believe she's still in business !

R266 Thanks for the memories ! I remember when that first aired on television - I couldn't stop laughing !!!

by Anonymousreply 268January 24, 2023 12:50 AM

[quote] Was that by choice or was Scofield not offered many film roles?

I think he preferred the theater. Plus, he was no sex symbol, no flashy film image and he must have known that. He was immensely talented, though. He really deserved his Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 269January 24, 2023 1:13 AM

Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest."

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by Anonymousreply 270January 24, 2023 3:49 AM

If only they had given that bitch of an actress an Academy Award nomination where it ought to have been.

by Anonymousreply 271January 24, 2023 4:51 AM

Dunaway was a true blue, serious actor star with 3 Oscar noms and 1 win under her belt that fateful day she accepted the Mommie Dearest job.

And then the laughter stopped.

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by Anonymousreply 272January 24, 2023 5:19 AM

[quote]Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest."

A bad decision for her, decades of camp heaven for little homosexual boys.

by Anonymousreply 273January 24, 2023 7:12 AM

R272, Anne Bancroft was set to star, but she left the project.

by Anonymousreply 274January 24, 2023 7:31 AM

Gary talked her out of it.

by Anonymousreply 275January 24, 2023 7:31 AM

r5 funny enough, tho, many of the cast (and ds9) appeared in soft core porn... well, it's possible they thought they were basic cable tv movies. They'd just remove the porn part and sell it to local stations, even with the porn cinemax was more hardcore.

even with box office bombs, she made more than she ever would had she stayed a regular on ST:NG. Albeit, she might have been able to make it into films.But higher likelihood her character would have been inevitably killed off for Data's growth or an operatic she slept with my twin brother, Lore.

And really, the whole affair with Data was kind of cringe.. lesbianish woman banging rainman because the dick was too good.

speaking of.

Christina Ricci in "Pumpkin"

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by Anonymousreply 276January 24, 2023 9:17 AM

Bancroft was too old. She was pushing fifty at the time.

by Anonymousreply 277January 24, 2023 3:02 PM

Richard Burton wanted to come to Hollywood, be a movie star. From the beginning, people were saying he was more interested in fame and money than in fulfilling his talent as an actor. He starred on stage in Hamlet and Henry V after becoming a movie star, as well as other plays (not many), and some quality films (not really that many, either). I don't think marrying Elizabeth Taylor had anything to do with him selling out. His worst career decisions were some of the movies he chose to do, but he became a well-liked star, anyway, and had several Oscar nominations.

by Anonymousreply 278January 24, 2023 4:19 PM

True r273. And yeah, it may not have been the original plan, but damn, talk about immortal!

by Anonymousreply 279January 24, 2023 5:15 PM

Pauline Kael declared that Faye Dunaway gave "a startling, ferocious performance," adding, "Dunaway brings off these camp horror scenes—howling 'No wire hangers!' and weeping while inflecting 'Tina, bring me the axe' with the beyond-the-crypt chest tones of a basso profundo—but she also invests the part with so much power and suffering that these scenes transcend camp." (Wikipedia)

I agree.

by Anonymousreply 280January 24, 2023 8:16 PM

^ In 1981 the New York Film Critics Circle named Glenda Jackson Best Actress for Stevie and Faye Dunaway (Mommie Dearest) and Diane Keaton (Reds) were runners-up.

by Anonymousreply 281January 24, 2023 8:57 PM

Streisand delaying 'The Normal Heart' in 1995 (as producer, director and star) to work on 'The Mirror Has Two Faces' . Larry Kramer never forgave her, and dragged her through the mud. He didn't understand that she hit middle-age and had to prove to the world she was still a 'sex symbol' and 'The Normal Heart' wasn't going to be sending that message.

by Anonymousreply 282January 24, 2023 9:27 PM

Her rationale was that she would first make a commercial movie and then do one that was not commercial. But it didn't work out that way. Also I think her meeting James Brolin changed everything for her so that she lost some ambition.

by Anonymousreply 283January 24, 2023 9:41 PM

[quote]Her rationale was that she would first make a commercial movie and then do one that was not commercial.

Yes, but she started working on TNH after she made her commercial movie 'Prince of Tides'. 'Mirror' was strictly a vanity project to boost her ego and sense of 'beauty' at age 54.

by Anonymousreply 284January 24, 2023 9:52 PM

"Listen, honey, now that I'm getting dicked by James on the reg...the only gays I care about seeing work in the mall under my house. "

by Anonymousreply 285January 24, 2023 9:54 PM

R284, And to earn me my only Oscar nomination.

by Anonymousreply 286January 24, 2023 10:09 PM

Streisand turned off boatloads of gay fans by dragging her feet on The Normal Heart. Of course, many of them drowned while waiting.

by Anonymousreply 287January 24, 2023 10:09 PM

Old King Charles III with the Gin Blossom nose and the slaggy old side piece wife, letting his mother die.

by Anonymousreply 288January 24, 2023 10:11 PM

It's just as well Streisand didn't do the Normal Heart because the 2014 version was great.

by Anonymousreply 289January 24, 2023 10:15 PM

I know Julia Roberts is hated on DL and I've never been a big fan of hers either, but she was wonderful in the Normal Heart. Very earnest and heartfelt performance.

by Anonymousreply 290January 24, 2023 10:15 PM

R290-I was in that group scene with her in the movie. It was her first day on the film and she was a fucking wreck before shooting and after.

by Anonymousreply 291January 24, 2023 10:17 PM

Don't forget Chevy had hits with the Vacation movies. Foul Play was a favorite of mine.

by Anonymousreply 292January 26, 2023 10:18 AM

All of the SNL actors who left for other projects/film careers that didn’t pan out. Unless they were tired of Lorne Michaels being a dictator.

by Anonymousreply 293January 26, 2023 6:25 PM

Ann Sheridan turning down "Mildred Pierce" after Bette Davis passed on it Barbara Stanwyck was unavailable for it.

by Anonymousreply 294January 27, 2023 2:00 AM

R294 None of them were right for it.

by Anonymousreply 295January 27, 2023 2:16 AM

r295: Stanwyck would have been fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 296January 27, 2023 2:22 AM

R296 No, she wouldn't have taken Veda's shit for five minutes.

by Anonymousreply 297January 27, 2023 2:23 AM

"I wonder what would happen if I saw how fast this car can go..."

--Anne He he

by Anonymousreply 298January 27, 2023 2:28 AM

"Emergency brake, schmemergency brake!"

by Anonymousreply 299January 27, 2023 2:32 AM

Bette Davis moved to Cape Elizabeth, Maine, in the early 1950's - not long after she did All About Eve and The Star (Oscar-nominated for both). She wanted to be a wife and mother, join the PTA, etc. She only did a handful of movies the whole decade - she did TV, instead, and theater. Her career never really came back totally from this. Same with her husband at the time, Gary Merrill. But you can't blame them for wanting to have a life.

by Anonymousreply 300January 27, 2023 2:49 AM

When I turned down the role of Blanche du Bois to become a Vogue model

by Anonymousreply 301January 27, 2023 2:53 AM

r300 Bette Davis didn't age well either, the cigs and booze did a real number on her looks. By the mid-50s she got prematurely aged and haggy-looking. That also had an impact on her career.

by Anonymousreply 302January 27, 2023 3:09 AM

That cross eyed [italic]cuntesan[/italic] Mrs. Irving Thalberg turned down “Mrs. Miniver” because she didn’t want to play the mother of grown children.

Dumb bitch. She made this shit bomb instead:

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by Anonymousreply 303January 27, 2023 6:35 AM

R302 Yes, aging impacts an actress's career, but the thread is about career decisions. She semi-retired when she moved to Maine. Back then most actors lived in Los Angeles. You couldn't take jets across the country, flights were long and had refueling stops. The train took three days. Portland was 3,000 miles away and had no airport, and there was no interstate highway there at the time. She isolated herself.

by Anonymousreply 304January 27, 2023 7:15 AM

R304 lots of big actors lived on the East coast and flew to Hollywood to make movies. It was her choice not to fight for more star vehicles

by Anonymousreply 305January 27, 2023 7:22 AM

Not a huge impact but what about Julie Andrews sulkily refusing her Tony nomination because her musical didn't get THE RESPECT she EXPECTED?

by Anonymousreply 306January 27, 2023 7:23 AM

Her decision to quit Warners was a bad one. It was over being forced to Beyond the Forest but she still had years to go on her latest contract. But then she may not have been able to do All About Eve.

by Anonymousreply 307January 27, 2023 7:24 AM

R305 "Lots" of big actors? Were they Hollywood stars? Can you name any? The main one I can think of is Montgomery Clift, and his decision to live in the East was considered unusual. Also, it was New York, not Cape Elizabeth, Maine, where I've been, since my family used to go on vacation near there. Back then it probably had 5K people.

by Anonymousreply 308January 27, 2023 7:47 AM

R305 It's all related. She semi-retred to raise a family (she said this, it's in her memoir), she moved away from Hollywood, so, yes, she refused to fight for more star vehicles, since she wasn't interested at the time.

by Anonymousreply 309January 27, 2023 7:50 AM

Lots of actors lived on the East Coast. Katharine Hepburn lived in NYC and CT.

by Anonymousreply 310January 27, 2023 2:57 PM

R310 Hepburn had a house in Turle Bay, NYC, her family's house was in CT but she didn't live there in the 1950s, usually - she rented houses in Los Angeles for most of her film career from the 30's - 60s. She lived with Tracy on George Cukor's property in LA. Here she is skateboarding in LA.

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by Anonymousreply 311January 27, 2023 6:38 PM


by Anonymousreply 312January 27, 2023 6:39 PM

Hepburn spent most of her time on the East Coast from the 50s onward. The big stars could live anywhere they wanted, it was the working actors who had to live in LA. This is still true today.

by Anonymousreply 313January 27, 2023 6:43 PM

R313 In the 50s, many stars made several films a year. The vast majority of them - John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, Lana Turner, Kirk Douglas, Elizabeth Taylor, Rock Hudson, Robert Mitchum, Jane Russell, Lucille Ball & Desi Arnaz, Frank Sinatra, Jose Ferrer, Bing Crosby, Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis, Tony Curtis & Janet Leigh, Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall, William Holden, Charlton Heston, Danny Kaye, Jennifer Jones, Cary Grant, Dick Powell and June Allyson, Judy Garland, etc. etc. lived in Los Angeles or in Southern California.

by Anonymousreply 314January 27, 2023 6:52 PM

Yes but they also had homes in other states

by Anonymousreply 315January 27, 2023 6:58 PM

Jennifer Lopez becoming JLo.

by Anonymousreply 316January 27, 2023 7:01 PM

“I didn’t know that bitch was black!”

by Anonymousreply 317January 27, 2023 7:02 PM

A certain little party one night in Benedict Canyon.

by Anonymousreply 318January 27, 2023 7:03 PM

Practice, practice, practice!

by Anonymousreply 319January 27, 2023 7:03 PM

R315 Like, what states? Where were these homes?

by Anonymousreply 320January 27, 2023 7:04 PM


by Anonymousreply 321January 27, 2023 7:06 PM

JFC r320 give it a rest.

by Anonymousreply 322January 27, 2023 7:16 PM

Peter Bogdanovich's attempts to make his girlfriend, the talentless Cybill Sheperd, into a movie star with godawful movies like "Daisy Miller" and "At Long Last Love."

by Anonymousreply 323January 28, 2023 1:29 AM

R323, If at first you don’t succeed . . .

by Anonymousreply 324January 28, 2023 1:33 AM

She was also in Bogdanovich's "The Last Picture Show," R323.

by Anonymousreply 325January 28, 2023 1:35 AM

[quote] She was also in Bogdanovich's "The Last Picture Show,

I know that. She was just eye candy in that movie. She had no acting talent.

by Anonymousreply 326January 28, 2023 2:31 AM

Evelyn Keyes wouldn’t sleep with Harry Cohen at Columbia Pictures and he coldly warned her, “You’ll never be a bigger star than you are now.”

“And I never was,” she wrote.

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by Anonymousreply 327January 28, 2023 2:43 AM

Didn't she take her tits out in "The Last Picture Show"?

by Anonymousreply 328January 28, 2023 1:15 PM

Better her than me.

by Anonymousreply 329January 28, 2023 2:04 PM

Stanwyck did want to do MP…but Crawford had just signed a long term contract with Warners and Stanwyck was freelancing. Plus Crawford was an ambitious cunt and she was determined to get the job, no matter how. I wouldn’t be surprised if she sucked someone off to get the part.

by Anonymousreply 330January 29, 2023 12:45 AM

Bette denied in interviews that she was ever considered for “Mildred Pierce”.

by Anonymousreply 331January 29, 2023 3:33 AM

Kyle MacLachlan turned down what became Charlie Sheen's role in Platoon to do Showgirls. I can't think of a bigger disaster.

by Anonymousreply 332January 29, 2023 4:57 AM

R332, Platoon was released in 1986, while Showgirls was released in 1995. How the heck did he turn down one role for another one nearly a decade later?

by Anonymousreply 333January 29, 2023 5:15 AM

He's a time traveler

by Anonymousreply 334January 29, 2023 5:26 AM

R333 I don't know why I remembered it that way. I looked it up and he turned it down because he didn't want to be in a violent film, I guess I was remembering people making fun of him for turning that down and then eventually ending up in one of the most notoriously panned films ever.

by Anonymousreply 335January 29, 2023 3:42 PM

Timmy Chardonnay doing Apple spots. Makes her look so desperate for a hit.

by Anonymousreply 336January 29, 2023 4:11 PM

Kyle MacLachlan should've had a better film career after "Blue Velvet." But three years later, he was doing series television, albeit the critically lauded "Twin Peaks."

by Anonymousreply 337January 29, 2023 4:24 PM

R337, both were David Lynch productions and Twin Peaks was a huge cultural sensation that made MacLachlan a star, for a brief moment. KM is pretty limited as an actor and Lynch knew how to use his lack of affect. If any choice hurt KM it was Showgirls, but by then he had lost momentum and he was going to rely on secondary roles, television and Lynhc projects to sustain his career.

by Anonymousreply 338January 29, 2023 6:05 PM

Kyle had a fucking nice ass

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by Anonymousreply 339January 29, 2023 8:04 PM

R322 Sure, tell me to give it a rest, not the person who keeps arguing with my original post. Of course. Always.

by Anonymousreply 340January 29, 2023 8:10 PM

Jennifer Jones choosing to do Angel, Angel, Down We Go (1969) has to rank among the worst career decisions of a major star. Even a star who's a little past her prime. She has lines like, "I made thirty stag films and never faked an orgasm!" The movie is trash! Maybe she thought she could capture the youth audience, or be hip to the 60's zeitgeist. The movie is a disaster.

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by Anonymousreply 341January 29, 2023 10:58 PM

(Watch the trailer!)

by Anonymousreply 342January 29, 2023 11:00 PM

Clark Gable doing "The Misfits." He did it for the money but it definitely was not worth it. John Huston directed it and he made members of the cast and crew do dangerous, strenuous stunts in extremley hot weather. Marilyn Monroe was mentally ill and addicted to pills and getting her to work was like pulling teeth. Filming had to be shut down at some point because she was out of commission due to her illnesses. The waiting in hte severe heat was driving Gable nuts; he would volunteer to do tough stunts just to keep busy. The stress and strain of doing that movie (which turned out to be a mediocre one) affected Gable's health. Shortly after filming was over he suffered a heart attack and died. Gable smoked and drank but no doubt if he had never had to endure the horror of making "The Misfits" he would have lived longer.

by Anonymousreply 343January 29, 2023 11:54 PM

And in the end, the movie’s a fucking BORE!

by Anonymousreply 344January 30, 2023 12:32 AM
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by Anonymousreply 345January 30, 2023 12:35 AM

God, those wigs Marilyn Monroe wore in "The Misfits" were awful.

by Anonymousreply 346January 30, 2023 1:14 AM

Barbra was never considered for Cabaret.

by Anonymousreply 347January 30, 2023 1:52 AM

R343, Clark Gable left an estate worth $10,000,000.00, in 1960 dollars.

He did not make “The Misfits” for the money.

by Anonymousreply 348January 30, 2023 1:55 AM

What was that website posted a while ago that actually had solid information about stars considered for different films? These claims from not starting dot com sound off the wall:


Ursula Andress was considered for the role of Sally Bowles.

Julie Andrews was also considered for the lead role.

Ann-Margret Considered for the role of Sally Bowles.

Warren Beatty : When this movie musical was in it's early planning stages, Warren Beatty was proposed for the role of the bisexual gigolo, Brian.

Julie Christie: In the early planning stages of this movie musical Julie Christie was proposed to play Sally Bowles, opposite her then-boyfriend Warren Beatty.

Faye Dunaway turned down the lead role.

Jane Fonda was reportedly considered for the lead role.

Anita Gillette, who played Sally Bowles on Broadway, lobbied hard to get the part.

Jill Ireland was offered the lead role, but her husband Charles Bronson rejected the offer.

Glenda Jackson was also considered for the lead role.

Gene Kelly : Turned down the chance to direct the movie version of the Kander-Ebb musical set in Berlin.

Shirley MacLaine Considered for the role of Sally Bowles.

Barbra Streisand turned down an offer to do the film.

Brenda Vaccaro was reportedly considered for the lead role, but Liza Minnelli was a huge star and was cast.

Billy Wilder: The great director turned down the chance to helm the movie version of the sardonic hit musical set in Berlin.

Natalie Wood Reportedly considered for the lead role.

by Anonymousreply 349January 30, 2023 3:04 AM

One of the few unwise pieces of advice Gary Morton ever gave Lucille Ball was to turn down the part of Martha in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?".

She would have won the Oscar, and she regretted not doing that film for the rest of her life.

by Anonymousreply 350January 30, 2023 3:30 AM

[italic]Nick, Honey… waaaaaaaa!

by Anonymousreply 351January 30, 2023 3:33 AM

[quote] He did not make “The Misfits” for the money.

They offered him a shitload of money and he couldn't pass up such an offer. Doing that movie was the worst decision he made in his life.

by Anonymousreply 352January 30, 2023 5:19 AM

R352 Gable didn't want to pass up the offer, and it wasn't because of the money. It was a script by perhaps the most admired American playwright of the time, Arthur Miller, directed by John Huston, co-starring Marilyn Monroe, who in that era was bigger at the box office than Gable, plus great actors Monty Clift, Eli Wallach, Thelma Ritter. It was a prestige project such as Gable hadn't been involved in for many years. It wasn't a cash grab.

by Anonymousreply 353January 30, 2023 5:33 AM

[italic]And it was still a boring piece of shit!

by Anonymousreply 354January 30, 2023 5:40 AM

I don't think The Misfits is boring. I think the problem - for me anyway - is that it gets too aimless/pointless and depressing in the last third. I really like it up until then. Sometimes I'll watch it because I like the first part so much. It's always such a let down, because it goes nowhere.

Gable was never better, really - Clift is great, Monroe is touching and excellent until she gets annoying later on. Wallach and Ritter are wonderful too. I'm not saying it's a great movie, it's not.

by Anonymousreply 355January 30, 2023 5:52 AM

Full frontal, r128.

by Anonymousreply 356January 30, 2023 6:31 AM

John Cusack. Was being leading man material. Now is doing movies like Nic Cage and Comic Cons. Not sure what happed to him. Was horrible to Neve Campbell when they were engaged.

by Anonymousreply 357February 1, 2023 9:57 PM

But the decision, r357?

by Anonymousreply 358February 3, 2023 1:36 AM

Mary Tyler Moore’s last TV appearance on Hot in Cleveland. I think she and all the others wanted to honor Valerie Harper who everyone thought was at death’s door (she ended up outliving Mary by a year-and-a-half.). We didn’t need to see frail and blind Mary like that!

by Anonymousreply 359February 4, 2023 1:01 PM

[quote]Mary Tyler Moore’s last TV appearance on Hot in Cleveland.

Yes, her career really suffered from her making a TV appearance when she was near death. It was a terrible career decision.

She was fine on the show, given her condition at the time, and given that we knew it would be her final television appearance, Obviously accommodations had to be made. (She's only seen sitting.) I thought it was great to see her one last time with all of her former co-stars. And every one of those women is dead now.

by Anonymousreply 360February 4, 2023 6:34 PM

R360, This is hard to watch.

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by Anonymousreply 361February 4, 2023 6:47 PM

Dan Stevens is fine. He's become a chameleonic character actor which means he'll still be around 20 years from now.

Sofia Vergara and Reese Witherspoon in "Cold Pursuit". That flop immediately ended any chance Vergara had at being a movie star and it killed Witherspoon's comeback momentum right after she'd just gotten an Oscar nomination. Since then, it's been strictly TV and now a rom-com with Ashton Kutcher.

by Anonymousreply 362February 5, 2023 1:31 AM

R362, Wrong temperature. It is "Hot Pursuit." It made $50M.

As opposed to "TAR," with its AA-nominated actress and $10M Box Office. Or "To Leslie," with its AA-nominated actress and $27K Box Office.

by Anonymousreply 363February 5, 2023 10:06 PM

r363 And *just* like that...their Hot Pursuit had turned their careers cold.

by Anonymousreply 364February 5, 2023 10:30 PM

Patrick Duffy leaving Dallas expecting to become a big time movie star. Only to come limping back to Dallas a year later, destroying some good storylines and characters, and undermining its credibility.

by Anonymousreply 365February 5, 2023 10:41 PM

R363 haha, Hot "Shit" Pursuit is 8% on RT, and it bombed at the BO as it cost 40m to make

by Anonymousreply 366February 5, 2023 10:42 PM

Demi Moore doing Striptease, which was a hit but got terrible reviews. Followed by flops The Scarlet Letter, The Juror, and G. I. Jane.

by Anonymousreply 367February 6, 2023 1:53 AM

R366, I actually couldn't care any less. Haven't seen, nor will see, any of these movies, hot, cold, or lukewarm.

But making a bad decision is not quite the same as making what seems to be a perfectly fine decision, only to find out that the public will disagree.

To use r367: Demi should have foreseen that no movie titled "Striptease" was going to garner critical raves.

I think Timothee will regret "Wonka." (The title alone is execrable.)

by Anonymousreply 368February 6, 2023 3:20 AM

Linda Fiorentino, who after a spectacular career start and huge critical acclaim decided to be difficult and piss off enough people that her career would flame out within five years. And, funnily, she was in "Jade" with David Caruso.

by Anonymousreply 369February 6, 2023 3:32 AM

(R369) She had a really bad reputation as being a cunt. Nobody wanted to work with her.

by Anonymousreply 370February 6, 2023 3:53 AM

Fuck you wergins.

by Anonymousreply 371February 6, 2023 4:02 AM

r369 The Last Seduction was not her "career start". She had already been around for about a decade.

by Anonymousreply 372February 6, 2023 4:30 AM

[Quote] Courtney Cox for refusing Desperate Housewives

I can't really picture Courtney on DH. But she was perfect for Cougar Town.

I remember Michelle Rodriguez saying on Ellen she was offered the chance to be on DH but chose Lost instead. A wise move since i could never see her pulling off a housewife.

by Anonymousreply 373February 6, 2023 7:29 AM

Madonna appearing on the 2023 Grammy Awards.

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by Anonymousreply 374February 6, 2023 11:23 AM

Probably not a career killer, exactly, but Colton Haynes leaving Teen Wolf when he and it were only two years into fame seemed like a bad decision, but then he's the king of bad choices, despite getting pretty far anyway. (I guess the moral is, make any choice, don't just while life away in your backwater town.)

by Anonymousreply 375February 6, 2023 12:25 PM

[quote]Demi should have foreseen that no movie titled "Striptease" was going to garner critical raves.

Not really, a title doesn't determine the quality of a movie.

by Anonymousreply 376February 6, 2023 4:21 PM

r374 This thread is about actors.

by Anonymousreply 377February 6, 2023 4:56 PM

Kate Hudson turning down the Mary Jane role in “Spider-Man.”

by Anonymousreply 378February 6, 2023 5:00 PM

Jennifer Aniston letting Brad Pitt do "Mr & Mrs. Smith".

by Anonymousreply 379February 6, 2023 5:04 PM

R376, Wait until "Wonka."

by Anonymousreply 380February 6, 2023 6:35 PM

I should have told Johnny.

by Anonymousreply 381February 6, 2023 6:37 PM

Travis Fimmel doing the Warcraft movie.

by Anonymousreply 382February 6, 2023 6:39 PM

Katherine Waterston doing those Fantastic Beasts movies, and that Alien prequel/sequel. Watching her and Olivia Wilde in those small, thankless, nothing roles in Babylon while Margot Robbie, who broke through around the same time, was starring confirmed that their 15 minutes are long over.

by Anonymousreply 383February 6, 2023 7:02 PM

R368: I don’t want to jinx anything but let’s just say I hope Bones & All and Wonka is a one-two combo for him.

by Anonymousreply 384February 8, 2023 6:41 AM

I feel like just recently Glen Powell thought Top Gun 2 would carry his movie Devotion and it was a total flop.

by Anonymousreply 385February 8, 2023 7:03 AM

Natalie Wood going out that night on November 29, 1981 on a boat.

by Anonymousreply 386February 8, 2023 7:40 AM
by Anonymousreply 387February 8, 2023 8:10 AM

[quote] Natalie Wood going out that night on November 29, 1981 on a boat.

Well, and getting so drunk and argumentative on the way there she was thrown out of a restaurant along with her husband.

by Anonymousreply 388February 8, 2023 8:12 AM

Barbra turning down The Merry Widow to be directed by Ingmar Bergman. She said in a documentary on Bergman that she envied Elliott Gould being directed by such a master. She didn't like the script's second half and Bergman refused to do a redraft. Also maybe she would have not met Jon Peters who created a wig for her For Pete's Sake which she made instead.

by Anonymousreply 389February 8, 2023 10:07 AM

R388, How about remarrying Robert Wagner?

by Anonymousreply 390February 8, 2023 10:56 AM

Montgomery Clift agreeing, after much arm twisting and begging from Liz Taylor, to go and make Raintree County. It all went downhill from there…especially Monty’s car.

by Anonymousreply 391February 8, 2023 12:42 PM

R391, Would Monty have been better than Brando if he had lived to make “Reflections in a Golden Eye”?

by Anonymousreply 392February 8, 2023 1:00 PM

R392The movie that looked like they shot it through a urine sample?

by Anonymousreply 393February 8, 2023 2:30 PM

R392 ^

by Anonymousreply 394February 8, 2023 2:30 PM

Contrary to what my film studies profs believed in the 1970s, Ingmar Bergman’s shit did indeed stink and Barbra made the right decision.

I had to see “The Touch” in one of my classes and it was not a good move for Elliot.

by Anonymousreply 395February 8, 2023 3:02 PM

Meg Ryan regretted turning down "To Die For". It would've been a great chance to shake up her image and show real range, thus giving her career more longevity.

"Ultimately, I think Meg felt she wasn’t really ready for a departure like ‘To Die For’ at that time. It was edgy and not really her image. But I know she regrets passing it up. I know this because she was on the Cannes jury that voted for my [2003] film ‘Elephant’ and told me, ‘I should definitely have done ‘To Die For.’" - Gus Van Sant

by Anonymousreply 396February 8, 2023 3:02 PM

R396 yeah but what if she had been terrible in it - a distinct possibility? Then it wouldnt have helped her career at all.

Sometimes people don’t take risks because they’re wrongly too risk adverse; other times it’s (smartly) because they know their limitations.

by Anonymousreply 397February 8, 2023 3:06 PM

Meg Ryan was smart to stay in her Rom-Com lane. She didn't have the range for anything else.

by Anonymousreply 398February 8, 2023 3:36 PM

I worked with Sven Nykvist on one of his last films, which turned out to be a trainwreck. He was struggling with dementia the entire shoot.

by Anonymousreply 399February 8, 2023 3:42 PM

R399, whose last films? Was Nykvist or Bergman struggling with dementia?

by Anonymousreply 400February 8, 2023 4:59 PM

I can't stand Meg Ryan.

by Anonymousreply 401February 8, 2023 5:24 PM

Jussy Smollett, going out for a tuna sub and faking that hate crime. And then still continuing to lie about it.

by Anonymousreply 402February 8, 2023 6:22 PM

Viola Davis's worst career decision will be bitching about Woman King being shut out of the Oscars.

by Anonymousreply 403February 8, 2023 6:37 PM

R403, Especially after she just won a Grammy and is now an EGOT.

by Anonymousreply 404February 8, 2023 6:41 PM

Tina Turner turning down the role of Shug in The Color People to play Aunty Entity in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome instead.

by Anonymousreply 405February 8, 2023 6:44 PM

[Quote]I had to see “The Touch” in one of my classes and it was not a good move for Elliot.

and it was an even worse move for Bergman.

by Anonymousreply 406February 8, 2023 6:47 PM

[Quote]Barbra turning down The Merry Widow to be directed by Ingmar Bergman.

Didn't Barbra already play the merry widow in Hello Dolly?

by Anonymousreply 407February 8, 2023 7:09 PM

It's so funny to think of Meg Ryan playing a role Nicole Kidman played, as Kidman post-To Die For hasn't done many comic turns and any attempt Ryan has done at a serious drama have failed. I would say though that if you told me before To Die For was released that nearly 30 years later Kidman would still be (relatively) relevant in Hollywood and Ryan would have disappeared, I would have been surprised.

by Anonymousreply 408February 8, 2023 9:19 PM

[quote] Natalie Wood going out that night on November 29, 1981 on a boat

How is getting drunk and being on a boat a "career move?"

by Anonymousreply 409February 9, 2023 12:50 AM

Heather Locklear's decision to have that one extra drink.

by Anonymousreply 410February 9, 2023 1:02 AM

R409, It ended her career.

by Anonymousreply 411February 9, 2023 1:45 AM

Will Smith going on stage at the Oscars and slapping Chris Rock over a mildly amusing and slightly distasteful joke.

by Anonymousreply 412February 9, 2023 2:40 AM

R397 The role in To Die For wasn't exactly difficult (for any competent, attractive actress of the right age). Van Sant wouldn't have offered it to her if he didn't think she could do it.

by Anonymousreply 413February 9, 2023 9:17 AM

R412 True but was it a "career decision"?

by Anonymousreply 414February 9, 2023 9:17 AM

R414 some people do think it was staged.

by Anonymousreply 415February 9, 2023 9:53 AM

Another Meg/Nicole parallel is In The Cut. Nicole was supposed to star but wasn't able to do it in the end (she still stayed on the project as a producer) so Meg got the role. I'm one of the few (though it seems to have gone through a bit of a reevaluation recently) who's always liked the film and think she's very good in it, botched facework and all.

by Anonymousreply 416February 9, 2023 2:22 PM

R411 Death usually ends someone's career.

by Anonymousreply 417February 9, 2023 3:09 PM

R417, Not really. Some stars experience an upsurge after they die.

Bogart, Marilyn, Elvis, James Dean, etc.

by Anonymousreply 418February 9, 2023 3:12 PM

I think Meg did In the Cut before she changed her face.

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by Anonymousreply 419February 9, 2023 3:27 PM

R418 Hello? I don't know what you call that, but not a career. You need to be alive and having the career to...have a career.

by Anonymousreply 420February 9, 2023 3:50 PM


Has anyone mentioned Julian Sands’ choice to go hiking, yet?

by Anonymousreply 421February 9, 2023 4:14 PM

You don’t get it, do you R420?

by Anonymousreply 422February 9, 2023 4:24 PM

The role of Severus Snape in the Harry Potter films was written with the actor Tim Roth in mind, and he was offered the role in the films. He turned it down for the Mark Wahlberg relative flop Planet of the Apes. He's lamented the decision many times over. It probably cost him tens of millions of dollars in lost revenue.

by Anonymousreply 423February 9, 2023 4:33 PM

I heard he turned it down because he just did Planet of the Apes and didn’t want to do another movie that required a lot of time spent in hair/makeup (even though Snape was basically just a wig) because of the extensive ape costume he had to wear for PotA.

Rickman was good, but Roth would have been just as good or better. And his age would’ve been closer to the age Snape should have been, and he would’ve looked like a contemporary of Gary Oldman and David Thewlis (Black and Lupin) and not 20 years older like Rickman did.

I loved his asshole character in Rob Roy and I think his Snape would’ve been just as mean. Shame he turned it down.

by Anonymousreply 424February 9, 2023 4:56 PM

James Caan turning down One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. I think he did Rollerball instead. It worked out great for Jack Nicholson, but I could see Caan doing a great McMurphy. I bet that was his big career regret.

by Anonymousreply 425February 9, 2023 4:58 PM

Has anyone mentioned Bette turning down Misery & Sister Act?

by Anonymousreply 426February 9, 2023 6:22 PM

Bette would have been awful in Misery

by Anonymousreply 427February 9, 2023 8:38 PM

Faye Dunaway not completing Masterclass, her comeback

by Anonymousreply 428February 9, 2023 8:40 PM

Au contraire, r427

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by Anonymousreply 430February 9, 2023 10:00 PM

Andre Braugher quitting Homicide. I don't know -- maybe he's happy because he was a success on Brooklyn Nine-Nine. But his role on Homicide was one of the meatiest roles on TV. His departure scuttled the series eventually and also cut short what would have been a great career as a dramatic actor, just as serious drama was entering a golden age on TV.

by Anonymousreply 431February 9, 2023 10:27 PM

Bragger did 6 seasons of Homicide, which ran for 7. It’s not like he pulled a Caruso.

by Anonymousreply 432February 9, 2023 10:50 PM

Melissa Gilbert publicly threatening her kids with “Getting the Shit Bra” when they got home was, in retrospect, unwise.

by Anonymousreply 433February 9, 2023 11:37 PM

"Career decisions"? I don't care about any damn career!

by Anonymousreply 434February 10, 2023 12:17 AM

[quuote] , It ended her career.

Everybody's career ends when they die. It's DEATH, not a career move. Although some celebrities are in such bad shape near the end of their lives their death is sometimes called "a good career move."

by Anonymousreply 435February 10, 2023 2:15 AM

Some times a death is the best career's move.

by Anonymousreply 436February 10, 2023 2:27 AM

Amy Locane's reasoning that drunk driving is not a big deal.

by Anonymousreply 437February 10, 2023 2:30 AM

Craig Bierko is the idiot who turned down Matthew Perry’s role in the pilot of Friends.

by Anonymousreply 438February 10, 2023 2:46 AM

[quote]R437 Amy Locane's reasoning that drunk driving is not a big deal.

I think her career was basically over by the time she pulled that little stunt.

Locane was incredibly pretty, but really had no talent (or even mystique) to build on. She should have gotten onto a soap and stayed there.

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by Anonymousreply 439February 10, 2023 4:14 AM

I don’t know why Rebecca Gayheart’s career wasn’t ruined by running over and killing a little boy in 2001.

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by Anonymousreply 440February 10, 2023 4:34 AM

Turning down Harry Potter is incredibly stupid. A lot of films and shows are bets, but these were insanely popular books by the time the movies were underway. They were a sure thing.

by Anonymousreply 441February 10, 2023 5:53 AM

Winona Ryder for leaving scripts laying around in her house.

by Anonymousreply 442February 10, 2023 12:37 PM

[quote] Denise Crosby quitting ST.


by Anonymousreply 443February 10, 2023 1:23 PM

What is ST?

by Anonymousreply 444February 10, 2023 1:24 PM

Star Trek. She left The Next Generation during its first season saying it did not challenge her (to be fair the show had a less than stellar first season). She might have over-estimated her thespian skill and her limited Star Trek role might have been perfect for her acting abilities.

by Anonymousreply 445February 10, 2023 1:34 PM

Bette Davis always said her worst career decision was turning down the lead in Come Back, Little Sheba. Whenever she said this I always thought she sounded clueless. I can't picture her playing the part - or maybe I can and I don't want to.

by Anonymousreply 446February 11, 2023 1:54 AM

Monica Keena leaving Dawsons Creek because she missed her boyfriend.

by Anonymousreply 447February 11, 2023 9:01 AM

R447 is that seriously why Monica left DC?

by Anonymousreply 448February 11, 2023 9:58 AM

R427 Bette Davis, on the other hand, might have been good in Misery.

by Anonymousreply 449February 11, 2023 1:19 PM

Billy Porter is doing the remake of Misery, playing Annie.

by Anonymousreply 450February 11, 2023 4:07 PM

Winona Ryder stealing all that shit.

by Anonymousreply 451February 11, 2023 8:27 PM

[quote]What are some of the worst career decisions of actors?

Premature death.

by Anonymousreply 452February 11, 2023 8:29 PM

[quote] Premature death.

Premature death is not a "career move." A career movie is a choice an entertainer makes that doesn't turn out well. Death is not a fucking career move!

by Anonymousreply 453February 11, 2023 9:05 PM

[quote]A career movie is a choice an entertainer makes that doesn't turn out well. Death is not a fucking career move!

A lot of deaths are due to bad choices.

by Anonymousreply 454February 11, 2023 9:09 PM

[quote]A lot of deaths are due to bad choices.

And with that brilliant observation, this thread has officially gone off the rails.

by Anonymousreply 455February 11, 2023 9:19 PM

[quote] Tina Turner turning down the role of Shug in The Color People to play Aunty Entity in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome instead.

I liked Tina Turner in Mad Max. It established her as a bad ass, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 456February 11, 2023 9:43 PM

The trivia section at IMDb (which isn’t fact checked) says Chaka Khan was offered the role of Sug Avery. Not everyone dreams of an acting career, but it’s odd to think of someone established in the entertainment industry turning down an opportunity like that.

If anyone on DL would have taken the part, why wouldn’t a famous singer??

by Anonymousreply 457February 11, 2023 10:23 PM

Tina probably made the right choice for her by turning down TCP. I don’t think she had the ambition for becoming a dramatic actress.

by Anonymousreply 458February 11, 2023 11:28 PM

Timothy Hutton, passing on Risky Business to make a trash movie with Lumet.

Timothy Hutton, who passed on Bull Durham to make Torrents of Spring.

Timothy Hutton, passing on The Shawshank Redemption to do nothing.

by Anonymousreply 459February 11, 2023 11:41 PM

R459 Timothy Hutton, for marrying Debra Winger.

by Anonymousreply 460February 11, 2023 11:42 PM

R459-"Q & A' is an underrated, highly entertaining and intelligent Sidney Lumet movie that just happened to have Timothy Hutton in it.

by Anonymousreply 461February 12, 2023 12:07 AM

R461 I was referring to “Daniel,” the other Lumet garbage he made.

Q&A was years later, and a better film.

by Anonymousreply 462February 12, 2023 12:11 AM

Don Johnson apparently turned down Die Hard. Matthew Modine turned down Top Gun, thought ti glorified the military too much.

by Anonymousreply 463February 12, 2023 5:15 AM

it, not ti

by Anonymousreply 464February 12, 2023 5:16 AM

Not being emancipated.

by Anonymousreply 465February 12, 2023 7:27 PM

I wonder if Denise Richards regrets doing the Bond movie. Sure, she was never an acting juggernaut, but she was pretty good in both Wild Things and Starship Troopers. But then she got absolutely skewered in the reviews for ‘The World is Not Enough’ and was never taken seriously again.

by Anonymousreply 466February 13, 2023 11:55 PM

Everything decision Natalie Wood made after Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice was pretty bad.

by Anonymousreply 467February 14, 2023 12:04 AM

It’s sad that Barbara played a prostitute twice. She is a piece of work.

She even wanted Sophie’s Choice, despite being too old and completely wrong for the part.

by Anonymousreply 468February 14, 2023 12:21 AM

Judi Dench and Ian Mckellan, tow highly respected, accomplished actors, taking roles in the execrable movie "Cats." I suppose they were well paid, but you would think they would know better than to embarass themselves by wearing ridiculous cat costumes in a stupid movie that is righlty considered one of the worst of all time. Actually, everybody who was in thaqt movie made a bad career move; Taylor Swift, Jennifer Hudson, James Corden, Rebel Wilson, etc.) but you would think Dench and McKellen would have had better sense.

by Anonymousreply 469February 14, 2023 12:33 AM

On their defense r469, the problem was the disturbing CGI, that's post filming

by Anonymousreply 470February 14, 2023 12:41 AM

Vivien Leigh played a prostitute in Walerloo Bridge. Jane Fonda won an Oscar playing a prostitute.

by Anonymousreply 471February 14, 2023 12:42 AM

Elizabeth Taylor and Shirley Jones both won Oscars for playing prostitutes.

by Anonymousreply 472February 14, 2023 12:54 AM

Gloria Wondrous was a MODEL!

MGM saw to [italic]that.

by Anonymousreply 473February 14, 2023 1:10 AM

Michelle Pfeiffer turning down too many plum roles with big directors and doing a bunch of middlebrow shit. After The Age of Innocence, the quality of her projects really plummeted. I can understand doing Wolf since it was Nichols/Nicholson and Dangerous Minds was a hit, but after that? Woof. She really didn't take full advantage of the window that she had.

by Anonymousreply 474February 14, 2023 1:18 AM

[quote] Don Johnson apparently turned down Die Hard

This could have been interesting. He definitely has good comedic timing , was arguably a bigger star at that time, and certainly better looking.

R474 completely agree. Ultimately she wasn’t someone who likes to take risks and those are the actors who leave the best legacy. And she’s an interesting and dynamic enough actress to have pulled most of those roles off well.

by Anonymousreply 475February 14, 2023 1:29 AM

[Quote] Everything decision Natalie Wood made after Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice was pretty bad.

She was offered Diary of a Mad Housewife (1970) but was asking $450K and price herself out of the film. Though I'm not sure she would have been able to carry the film like Snodgress who was excellent.

by Anonymousreply 476February 14, 2023 1:49 AM

r15 Sharon Stone doing Basic Instinct 2 wasn't a career decision. She was sued into doing it (after taking the money and thinking she could cleverly get out of it.) She got $14 million. That is likely more than she made in the ten years that preceded it from acting work. (she is worth money in advertising but even that requires staying out there).

by Anonymousreply 477February 14, 2023 1:53 AM

r385 You're writing like Powell had some say over how Devotion was released. That's the studio's job. He's an actor. He did Top Gun and his agents found him another role that paid the bills. He's not a household name.

by Anonymousreply 478February 14, 2023 1:59 AM

Ann Bancroft turning down The Exorcist.

by Anonymousreply 479February 16, 2023 5:23 PM

Though her career certainly took off in the 70s, Jane Fonda passing on Bonnie and Clyde to do Barefoot in the Park and turning down Rosemary's Baby and The Exorcist.

by Anonymousreply 480February 16, 2023 10:03 PM

R472 So did Jane Fonda (Klute), Kim Basinger (LA Confidential), Donna Reed (From Here to Eternity), Susan Hayward (I Want to Live!), Mira Sorvino (Mighty Aphrodite), and Shirley Jones (Elmer Gantry). Charlize Theron's character in Monster was sort of a prostitute, too.

by Anonymousreply 481February 16, 2023 10:51 PM

[quote][R472] So did Jane Fonda (Klute), Kim Basinger (LA Confidential), Donna Reed (From Here to Eternity), Susan Hayward (I Want to Live!), Mira Sorvino (Mighty Aphrodite), and Shirley Jones (Elmer Gantry). Charlize Theron's character in Monster was sort of a prostitute, too.

R472 actually mentioned Shirley Jones. And R471 mentioned Jane Fonda.

by Anonymousreply 482February 17, 2023 1:43 AM

[quote]Anne Bancroft turning down The Exorcist.

Give her some credit. She did have the good sense to turn down "Mommie Dearest."

by Anonymousreply 483February 17, 2023 7:29 AM

I think Anne Bancroft was pregnant and The Exorcist wouldn't wait for her. She had wanted a child for a long time so she wasn't going to give that up.

by Anonymousreply 484February 17, 2023 11:03 AM

How was giving up The Exorcist "the worst career decision" of Anne Bancroft? Is this a joke?

by Anonymousreply 485February 17, 2023 12:00 PM

Glennie not getting her movie of "Sunset Boulevard" off the ground 20-25 years ago, although I'm sure she tried

by Anonymousreply 486February 17, 2023 12:31 PM

Just as well, there's only one Norma Desmond and it's me, me, me!

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by Anonymousreply 487February 17, 2023 2:33 PM

R486 But she did get Albert Nobbs, which was equally dear to her heart.

by Anonymousreply 488February 17, 2023 3:53 PM

Madonna's continuing decision to act in movies after she failed like 100 times at it.

by Anonymousreply 489February 17, 2023 4:04 PM

[quote] Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest."

I disagree. I man, it did kill her career but people still talk about that performance today. People also talk about Faye's performances in Chinatown, Bonnie and Clyde and Network. Who even cares about any of the middlebrow films Meryl was in?

by Anonymousreply 490February 17, 2023 4:06 PM

R490 It's convenient for Faye to blame that movie for killing her career.

Realistically, she got older and she didn't really change with the times. Also, she was more and more solidified as one of the great raging bitches of Hollywood, and people got sick of working with her.

Why be screamed at by this diva when you could just as easily cast the gorgeous and grounded Jessica Lange, or the ever-versatile Debra Winger, or the bitchy-but-punctual Shirley MacLaine?

by Anonymousreply 491February 17, 2023 5:00 PM

[quote]R491 Why be screamed at by this diva when you could just as easily cast the gorgeous and grounded Jessica Lange, or the ever-versatile Debra Winger

Dunaway’s peers were Fonda, Christie, Bergen, Weld, Welch, Minnelli, Ross, etc. They weren’t up for the same roles as Lange (10 years younger), Winger (20 years younger) and that whole crowd.

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by Anonymousreply 492February 17, 2023 5:29 PM

R491, good point. She just aged out and people were sick of her diva attitude. But she was great while she lasted.

by Anonymousreply 493February 17, 2023 5:45 PM

Not career decisions on her part, but Jane Fonda being talked into or eventually deciding to do "They Shoot Horses, don't they?" and "Klute" meant Faye didn't get these roles.

by Anonymousreply 494February 17, 2023 5:53 PM

Angela Lansbury turning down "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", while likely not affecting her career trajectory very much, denied her what would turn out to be that great screen role she always felt she missed out on and regretted never having.

by Anonymousreply 495February 17, 2023 5:55 PM

Angela Lansbury had a great screen role in "The Manchurian Candidate" and should have won a supporting Oscar for her indelible performance.

by Anonymousreply 496February 17, 2023 6:11 PM

Yes because Debra Winger (only 14 years younger by the way) was so stable and easy to work with! At least Faye was beautiful.

Lange was (and is) no picnic either.

by Anonymousreply 497February 17, 2023 6:45 PM

R488, As was that television movie about the dyke in the military.

by Anonymousreply 498February 17, 2023 7:42 PM

R496, But then Patty Duke would have died Oscarless.

by Anonymousreply 499February 17, 2023 7:43 PM

I agree Angie should have won for The Manchurian Candidate, a performance for the ages.

Its a pity she never got considered for meaty roles like Catherine in "The Heiress" or Martha in "Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf?" Nothing against Olivia or Liz but Angela would have been magnificent in both.

by Anonymousreply 500February 17, 2023 8:47 PM

Angelina Jolie walking away from both Silver Linings Playbook and Gravity.

by Anonymousreply 501February 18, 2023 12:06 PM

Sissy Spacek passing on Terms of Endearment to look after her child. There are nannies.

by Anonymousreply 502February 18, 2023 12:11 PM

Faye also made some questionable choices after Mommy Dearest. I doubt Supergirl was great for her career.

by Anonymousreply 503February 18, 2023 12:30 PM

R503, How about “The Temp”?

by Anonymousreply 504February 18, 2023 12:33 PM

R504 or me!

by Anonymousreply 505February 18, 2023 12:37 PM

R501 Angelina certainly would have been more convincing age wise than JLaw.

R503 probably not, but Supergirl is a so bad it's good movie imo.

by Anonymousreply 506February 18, 2023 12:44 PM

R504 I was the only thing great about that movie, and you could glimpse peen in my swimming scene!

by Anonymousreply 507February 18, 2023 5:25 PM

[quote]but Supergirl is a so bad it's good movie imo.

And it had Hart "I deserved a bigger career" Bochner.

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by Anonymousreply 508February 18, 2023 5:31 PM

Wayne Rogers leaving MASH.

Lansbury had her moments but she also is mediocre in some things. She was 7 years at MGM and they never thought she was worth building up as a star who could carry films. That's no surprise to me. I don't actually think she was right at all for The Heiress, she didn't have the meekness. Yet she was somewhat too prim for Virginia Woolf. Bette Davis could have ripped into that one.

by Anonymousreply 509February 18, 2023 5:48 PM

Angela was great in The Manchurian Candidate but losing to Patty Duke was no robbery. Duke was remarkable. Ditto Davis and Bancroft in lead actress both were terrific. Cuckoo's Nest might have brought Lansbury an Oscar as it did for Fletcher.

by Anonymousreply 510February 18, 2023 6:29 PM

Ally Sheedy doing that robot movie “Short Circuit” followed by that horrible “Maid to Order” movie. Those two movies pretty much killed her career.

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by Anonymousreply 511February 18, 2023 6:39 PM

R509 they didn't grow her because they did t thi k she was hot enough to be a leading lady, not that she wasn't a good actress

by Anonymousreply 512February 18, 2023 6:53 PM

R509, Angela Lansbury landed a Supporting Actress Oscar nomination for "Gaslight," her first film role with MGM. The following year, she nabbed her second Supporting Actress Oscar nomination for "The Picture of Dorian Gray." Right from the start, she was relegated to secondary/supporting roles, so MGM had no desire to build her up as a leading lady. This might have had something to do with her looks, which always read as older than her years.

by Anonymousreply 513February 18, 2023 6:54 PM

R511 and yet that crazy old bitch Beverly D’Angelo is still working.

by Anonymousreply 514February 18, 2023 6:55 PM

R514 "working" is generous.

by Anonymousreply 515February 18, 2023 6:57 PM

Molly Ringwald would have been great in the Laura Dern role in Blue Velvet. That was a dumb move by her mom. If she turned down Ghost--wow. That would be beyond stupid. The role Demi Moore played in that film was so undemanding! Molly couldn't have gone wrong. That's sad. I don't think she was right for Pretty Woman, though.

BTW, what Roseanne did on Twotter was a PR stunt. The executive who had her fired, a black lady whose name escapes me, was eventually fired for that mistake. The show was going to focus on race issues, so Roseanne's post was not from the heart: It was a dumb attention getter. She is a funny woman. Talented. Taht show might've been great. ABC should never have fired Roseanne Barr. Their subsequent punitive action proves it. But believe whatcha want. ; )

by Anonymousreply 516February 18, 2023 7:18 PM

Tarantino wrote Bruce Willis' role in Pulp Fiction for Matt Dillon but Dillon pissed off Tarantino by saying he wanted to "sleep on it" instead of immediately saying yes. Apparently he wanted to play Travolta's role as well. He should've just immediately said yes.

by Anonymousreply 517February 18, 2023 11:12 PM

Streisand after The Way We Were made a bunch of WTF decisions. Maybe commercially they were successful, but the quality was mostly dreadful. She should've never let Jon Peters take control.

by Anonymousreply 518February 18, 2023 11:16 PM

She was dickmatized r518.

by Anonymousreply 519February 19, 2023 3:11 AM

R511 Blue City, with Judd Nelson, around that time, was also a flop. She did do Only The Lonely a few years after those two, with John Candy and Maureen O'Hara, which was a good film.

by Anonymousreply 520February 19, 2023 3:50 AM

I believe Short Circuit was a hit, so I don't think it affected her career. Maid to Order and Blue City on the other hand...

by Anonymousreply 521February 19, 2023 5:38 AM

[quote]R517 Tarantino wrote Bruce Willis' role in Pulp Fiction for Matt Dillon but Dillon pissed off Tarantino by saying he wanted to "sleep on it" instead of immediately saying yes.

I can’t imagine him in that role.

by Anonymousreply 522February 19, 2023 5:48 AM

That was all of the Brat Pack kids, though. They never found success after John Hughes, or after 40, unless you count some awful Chuck Lorre show about a manwhore in Malibu.

At least Mare Winningham got an Oscar nomination before she vanished.

by Anonymousreply 523February 19, 2023 6:18 AM

Famous Climber Alex Honnold (star of "Free Solo") lived in a van for years, one fitted out with a stove and a bed, but he spent half his life in Yosemite National Park, and when he wasn't there he was at some other campground or at the base of some rock formation. He has a house and a girlfriend now, but apparently still spends long stretches of time out in the van, where the climbing is.

It makes sense to have a vehicle you can live in, if your profession or lifestyle calls for you to spend lots of time in campgrounds. Safer and more comfortable than a tent, and no fiddling with tent stakes!

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by Anonymousreply 524February 19, 2023 9:28 AM

R524 Wrong thread?

by Anonymousreply 525February 19, 2023 12:20 PM

R523, but Ally Sheedy had a career before John Hughes. She was in “Wargames’,” the Sean Penn movie “Bad Boys,” and the Rob Lowe movie “Oxford Blues.” She had talent, but she made bad career moves.

by Anonymousreply 526February 19, 2023 1:17 PM

R502, Sissy Spacek would have been terrific in Terms of Endearment and it may have helped her extend the momentum she had after her Oscar win for Coal Miner's Daughter. That said, her choice to put family first (including moving out of Hollywood to a farm in Virginia during the peak of her career) likely contributed heavily to her still being married to the same man for 50 years and their kids seeming so well adjusted.

Helena Bonham Carter dropped out of the Oscar-nominated lead role in Breaking the Waves at the last minute, though she graciously says Emily Watson was better in it than she would have been.

Marsha Mason was one of several actresses who passed on Norma Rae, but in her case it was at the insistence of her then-husband. She says Neil Simon did not like her going away on location and strongly preferred that she work on his projects exclusively, which also led to her turning down the chance to read for Faye Dunaway's role in Network.

Isabelle Adjani, Adrian Lyne's first choice for the female lead in Fatal Attraction, turned the part down because she was heavily involved in pre-production duties on Camille Claudel. This was unfortunate because she had everything that was needed for a Hollywood crossover career (looks, talent, fluency in English) but never found the right vehicle and stopped having US representation after her son with Daniel Day Lewis was born.

by Anonymousreply 527February 19, 2023 2:32 PM

[quote]That was all of the Brat Pack kids, though. They never found success after John Hughes, or after 40, unless you count some awful Chuck Lorre show about a manwhore in Malibu.

R523 Rob Lowe and especially Tom Cruise, needless to say, have been very successful. Emilio Estevez was in the Mighty Ducks franchises (hugely successful) and the Young Guns franchises, as well as directing.

by Anonymousreply 528February 19, 2023 3:30 PM

[quote]Marsha Mason was one of several actresses who passed on Norma Rae, but in her case it was at the insistence of her then-husband. She says Neil Simon did not like her going away on location and strongly preferred that she work on his projects exclusively, which also led to her turning down the chance to read for Faye Dunaway's role in Network.

For which I, for one, am most grateful.

by Anonymousreply 529February 20, 2023 3:38 AM

R529 Mason would’ve been wrong for both parts. Those two characters were flawlessly cast as they were.

by Anonymousreply 530February 20, 2023 5:05 AM

Well it really wasn't her decision because at the time she was under control of her managers, but they made Patty Duke turned down the lead role in the film A PATCH OF BLUE, if she was allowed to accepted the role I wonder what her film career could have been 🤔 Patty Duke herself turn down the role of Elaine in THE GRADUATE. I read that she turned that role down because she wanted to work on her marriage. But if she accepted the role how great would it have been for her to reunite with Ann Bancroft👍

by Anonymousreply 531March 9, 2023 12:36 PM

Ally turned down the role in Falcon Crest that Kate Vernon got. She could have worked with Lorenzo Lamas, and possibly married him!!

by Anonymousreply 532March 9, 2023 12:55 PM

R532, who would cast Bancroft and Duke as mother and daughter? There's less than no resemblance!

No, if Duke has been cast they'd need to cast a short blonde as Mrs. Robinson, so now I'm imagining Debbie Reynolds in the role...

by Anonymousreply 533March 9, 2023 1:27 PM

June Allyson r533…

by Anonymousreply 534March 9, 2023 1:43 PM

R534 They offered me that Depends campaign first. Lotta money, too! Just one problem: I don’t shit my pants!!!

by Anonymousreply 535March 9, 2023 2:01 PM

There's a resemblance between Katherine Ross and Anne Bancroft?

by Anonymousreply 536March 9, 2023 3:03 PM

R536 what's the resemblance they both have dark color hair?

by Anonymousreply 537March 9, 2023 3:22 PM

R537 And that's it.

by Anonymousreply 538March 9, 2023 3:45 PM

[quote]R532 Ally turned down the role in Falcon Crest that Kate Vernon got.

Ally Sheedy?

by Anonymousreply 539March 9, 2023 4:03 PM

R539, No, Rose, Ally McBeal.

by Anonymousreply 540March 9, 2023 7:19 PM

R540 I, too, was wondering who "Ally" was supposed to be. June Allyson?

by Anonymousreply 541March 11, 2023 5:08 AM

Ally McGraw?

by Anonymousreply 542March 11, 2023 7:26 AM

Speaking of who… Elle Fanning as MacGraw??

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by Anonymousreply 543March 11, 2023 7:59 AM

Ally Walker?

by Anonymousreply 544March 11, 2023 9:04 PM

Muhammad Ally?

by Anonymousreply 545March 11, 2023 10:20 PM

Ally Oop?

by Anonymousreply 546March 11, 2023 11:31 PM

Ally ally oxen free, Rose!

by Anonymousreply 547March 17, 2023 5:01 PM

Michelle Phieffer turning down Silence of the Lambs

by Anonymousreply 548March 17, 2023 7:40 PM

r40, her abusive , controlling hubs forced her to quit. sad

by Anonymousreply 549March 17, 2023 7:44 PM

I read that Sherry Stringfellow’s mother had died and she basically couldn’t go on with the show’s pace. And she agreed not to do any more TV work for the remaining 2 years on her contract, so that seems to be in good faith.

I kind of love that the show’s (male) producer was enraged by her leaving. Hollywood hates a woman who decides her own fate.

by Anonymousreply 550March 17, 2023 11:42 PM

R550 Did you expect him to be happy about it?

by Anonymousreply 551March 18, 2023 12:05 AM

R548, that was probably a good thing. I can’t see Michelle in the Clarice Starling role. For one thing her attempt at southern accents is not good. Did you ever watch “Dangerous Minds”? I thought her southern accent in that movie sucked. Her Long Island accent in “Married to the Mob” was spot on, but I can’t see her successfully pulling off the accent of a girl from West Virginia.

by Anonymousreply 552March 18, 2023 12:54 PM

R552 Plus Jodie runs rings around Michelle as an actress in that type of role.

by Anonymousreply 553March 18, 2023 1:03 PM

Lesbians probably have better running/track skills.

by Anonymousreply 554March 18, 2023 2:14 PM

Agree that Foster was better in the role than Pfeiffer would have been. Pfeiffer was too beautiful, too vulnerable, she would have seemed totally out of place in the FBI.

But Foster is very believable, because she plays Clarice as someone who is not only doing her damndest to NOT look vulnerable.... but who HAS to damn well never look vulnerable. FBI trainees can't seem to be vulnerable!

by Anonymousreply 555March 19, 2023 4:11 AM

I read a blind item that said the grim subject matter wasn’t what scared Pfeiffer about SILENCE OF THE LAMBS - it was Orion Pictures’ inability to pay her usual salary.

by Anonymousreply 556March 19, 2023 9:24 AM

R556 Well Michelle was at her box office peak then but as others have said she was so wrong for the role. Aside from Jodie Foster the only other age appropriate actress that could have played Clarice as well as Foster was Jennifer Jason Leigh.

by Anonymousreply 557March 19, 2023 1:02 PM

when judy garland took all those drugs

by Anonymousreply 558March 19, 2023 1:04 PM

wHeN jUdY gArLaNd tOok AlL tHoSe dRuGz

by Anonymousreply 559March 19, 2023 3:45 PM

[quote]when judy garland took all those drugs

I don't think her career status was what she had in mind at the time.

by Anonymousreply 560March 19, 2023 5:53 PM

Was Tim Hutton up for the role of Andy in Shawshank?

by Anonymousreply 561March 19, 2023 11:17 PM

R561, No, but Buck was.

by Anonymousreply 562March 19, 2023 11:40 PM

Gwyneth deciding to become Goop.

by Anonymousreply 563March 19, 2023 11:44 PM

[quote] Yeah, he also did a lot of shit films in that period after the first ET marriage, but five of his seven Oscar nominations came after 1964.

He never won an Oscar and God knows he should have. I think he would have won one if he hadn't married Taylor. After he married her he lost a lot of respect; he left his wonderful wife Sybil for homewrecking Liz Taylor. It really did harm his reputation.

by Anonymousreply 564March 20, 2023 5:15 AM

Despite doing shit films for money Burton never turned down a quality film when it came to him: 1984, Equus.

by Anonymousreply 565March 20, 2023 8:04 AM

R565 And I never got a fucking Oscar for my efforts!

by Anonymousreply 566March 20, 2023 8:27 AM

[quote] He never won an Oscar and God knows he should have. I think he would have won one if he hadn't married Taylor. After he married her he lost a lot of respect; he left his wonderful wife Sybil for homewrecking Liz Taylor.

R564 And yet they gave homewrecking Liz Taylor and Oscar for a film co-starring Burton.

by Anonymousreply 567March 21, 2023 1:47 AM

Not knowing what to keep in DMs or therapy sessions

by Anonymousreply 568March 21, 2023 1:48 AM

R564 he was never the front runner for the Oscar in the 60s. This, more than anything, doomed his chances. He was a front runner in 1953 and 1978, long before and after his dealings with Liz.

by Anonymousreply 569March 21, 2023 10:02 PM

So his marriage to a two-time Oscar winner doomed his chances of winning an Oscar...because the Oscar voters disrespected the fact that he was married to...a two-time Oscar winner?

by Anonymousreply 570March 22, 2023 2:22 AM

Early in his career, Burton was being hailed as the next big acting great since Olivier, having successfully starred in numerous Shakespearean plays onstage and prestige productions on film. When he hooked up with Elizabeth Taylor, though, he became a permanent tabloid fixture, and Liz and Dick's exploits--the scandalous affair, the wasteful extravagance, the expensive jewelry, the hedonistic lifestyle, the drunken fights, etc.--overshadowed his film career. Some of his earlier supporters were disappointed that the great Burton wasn't being more selective with his film choices nor performing to their expectations.

by Anonymousreply 571March 22, 2023 3:52 AM

Some people blame Liz for "ruining" Richard Burton's career with her fame and self-indulgence, but his performances probably would have gone sharply downhill even if he'd never met her. The man was an alcoholic who'd take any role for a paycheck before he met her, and after he dumped her. Is that how an actor grows within their talent, by making crap films and destroying brains cells in their spare time? It is not!

by Anonymousreply 572March 22, 2023 3:59 AM

R569, One could say that Elizabeth’s Oscar for WAOVF was to acknowledge both of them, much like Hepburn’s Oscar for GWCTD was an acknowledgment of both her and Spencer Tracy.

by Anonymousreply 573March 22, 2023 4:09 AM

I always loved that Taylor was smart enough to skip the Oscars the year she won for Virginia Woolf, because she knew she would win and Burton would not.

by Anonymousreply 574March 22, 2023 9:22 AM

R574, Both Burton and Taylor won the BAFTA Award in 1967 for their performances in “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?”.

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by Anonymousreply 575March 22, 2023 10:40 AM

R571 That's only half true. Before Burton ever got together with Taylor, he did less than great movies like The Rains Of Ranchipur, with Lana Turner and Fred MacMurray, and The Sea Wife, with Joan Collins. The Bramble Bush, Ice Palace...he was already being accused of squandering his talents - almost as soon as he became a Hollywood star.

by Anonymousreply 576March 23, 2023 12:43 AM

R575 We said a REAL AWARD!

by Anonymousreply 577March 23, 2023 1:30 AM

I don't remember supermarket tabloids in the US until the 70s.

by Anonymousreply 578March 23, 2023 1:39 AM

was Photoplay considered a tabloid?

by Anonymousreply 579March 23, 2023 1:41 AM

Blythe Danner - giving birth

by Anonymousreply 580March 23, 2023 1:42 AM

R579 I think it was considered a "movie magazine." Like Modern Screen, Screenland, etc.

by Anonymousreply 581March 23, 2023 1:48 AM

Photoplay could have some tabloid-style stories. I was reading some 1950s editions online and one had an article Judy Cracks Up!

by Anonymousreply 582March 23, 2023 1:53 AM

About Judy Canova, R581?

by Anonymousreply 583March 23, 2023 2:00 AM

You're tellin' I!

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by Anonymousreply 584March 23, 2023 2:51 AM

R578, There was Confidential from 1952 - 1978.

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by Anonymousreply 585March 23, 2023 3:04 AM

Sean Hayes bringing a play about Oscar Levant to Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 586March 23, 2023 5:53 PM

Whether it's a bad career decision remains to be seen, R586

by Anonymousreply 587March 23, 2023 10:03 PM

Trying to blackmail powerful execs to make my bland piece of ass happen

by Anonymousreply 588March 23, 2023 10:06 PM

R586, The reviews in Chicago were good.

by Anonymousreply 589March 24, 2023 4:47 AM

Kim Darby's decision to reinvent herself as teen heartthrob Justin Bieber.

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