Cate Blanchett vs. Michelle Yeoh for Oscar

Michelle Yeoh. Blanchett was great in Mrs. America, though.

I’ve tried three times but find the Yeoh movie unwatchable. I do have a crush on the husband, though.

LMAO at the crackheads who think Michelle Yeoh will win. The Academy is only going to bother nominating 5 actresses as a formality…Cate Blanchett has already won.

The Oscars like historic moments. Yeoh's win would be historic and other actors love her. I am sure Nicole Kidman will vote for Michelle.

Wrong. When it comes to Best Actress, the woman with the wind at her back always wins. At this point Cate has won the Golden Globe, Critics Choice, and NY & LA Film Critics awards. Michelle will spend this awards season in a distant second.

R5 It only matters if Michelle doesn't win SAG or BAFTA. And she'll probably get SAG and we won't know what's up until the night of.

EEAAO has momentum behind it, and people voting actually watched the movie. Few Academy voters even bothered to watch the flop Tar.

Blanchett has become another Streep - all external, all big, all the time. She’s not beloved in the industry. Michelle will win.

Tar is a better film and Cate is a better actress…not that that means anything these days. She’s not at all overrated, OP, especially not in this film. EEAAO is the very definition of overrated. The first hour of that film is excruciating but I did enjoy the last 45 minutes or so.

I think Blanchett is talented but very overrated at times.

I loved EEAAO. I saw it in the theater and was captivated from the first frame.

Is "Tar" streaming somewhere? I'll watch it but I already know Cate will exhaust me.

Tar.

Thank you, r12, but I didn't know it was 2 1/2 hours. I don't think I can do it.

Blanchett should win, but Yeoh seems like the likely winner now. That “Everything Everywhere” was so sloppy, cacophonous, and just dumb should be a disqualifier, but, c’est la vie.

I'm actually kind of hoping Yeoh wins. I find Blanchett to be overrated and I'm so tired of seeing EVERYBODY kiss Blanchett's ass.

Blanchett already has two Oscars. Isn't that enough to secure her stature as an enduring talent? Does she even want a third?

Michelle Yeoh has had a long and under-recognized career until now. She's done stacks of kung-fu movies in half a dozen languages (usually doing her own stunts), was the rare Bond girl who outshone 007 himself, brought gravitas to a stinker of a Star Trek series, and now has this honor before her. Giving her Oscar Gold is hardly a diversity pick or handing it over to some neophyte. She's paid her dues the hard way.

It's like the nominations of people like Laurie Metcalf, Jackie Gleason, Joan Allen, Judy Davis, and Angela Lansbury. These people are genuine fucking Actors with a capital "A." But they don't mind money for the studios who run these awards, so they never get more than a token nomination and three seconds on the "In Memoriam" when they croak.

They will always give the Oscar to a biographical portrayal, especially of a ground breaking woman. Unfortunately, Blanchett.

A woman no one's heard about or cares about.

The character is not a real person, R17. Tar is not a biopic!

Of course the non-white woman is getting it. You’re delusional if you think Kate will take it. lol

You forget that, in media, the only minority is not the color that Michelle is.

Tar was pretty contorversial.

More.

Blanchett's performance is one for the ages. Too bad Yeoh has to compete with her this particular year.

Diversity is code for black only. Bonus points for gay blacks.

After Cate Blanchett Critics Choice speech where she blasted the fact this is a competition, like a horse race. Some voters might pause and say "If she feels that way, I'll vote for Michelle Yeoh

Cate Blanchett will have years and years of good roles in the future, while Michelle Yeoh will not have as many opportunities as her to be nominated again. So if I was voting that would sway my vote to Yeoh.

Contrary to popular belief, nobody has ever lost an Oscar based on speeches they’ve given during the run up to the main event. Cate Blanchett is actually the queen of bad speeches and it hasn’t stopped her from racking up award after award after award.

Michelle Yeoh seems nice enough, but the Academy has no problem denying respected/beloved actresses in the perfect part (Diane Lane, Lauren Bacall, Anette Bening).

R28, the corollary to that is that no one has ever won because of their speeches, either.

There seems to be this idea that once Yeoh wins this or that award, she'll give a speech so moving she'll become undeniable. EEAAO fans said this before her Globes speech but it didn't happen, and I'm sure they'll trot out the same idea if she wins SAG (and as populist as SAG is, that's still a big "if").

Yeoh will get it because she's more of a minority

No, the Oscar will be given to Ke Huy Quan for Supporting Actor and Hollywood will have fulfilled their non-black minority quote. Could you imagine the vitriol coming from Jada if two Asians win? Then, Hollywood can relax and give it once again to one of their own, Blanchett. Yeoh is just the wrong color.

[quote] They will always give the Oscar to a biographical portrayal, especially of a ground breaking woman. Unfortunately, Blanchett.

good grief...

Cate blanchett out performed everybody else. She deserves all the awards. Enough with this woke nonsense

Keep telling yourself that, R33. No average Academy member is going to sit through a viewing of that dreadful movie.

Yeoh and Curtis both need to win. EEAAO was a tour de force for all involved.

Better in so many ways than the Korean basement film that won last year.

[quote] Enough with this woke nonsense

Thank you for making the F&F easy.

#OscarsSoLezzy

[quote] Are you speaking of Cate,#OscarsSoWhite, Blanchett?

Speaking recently with Vogue, nominee Cate Blanchett talked both about the issues swirling this year’s Oscars, and her feelings on Haynes missing his own shot at Oscar gold.

“I think every year it’s important to remember: A healthy Academy, a healthy industry, is a diverse industry. A monochromatic industry is never creative."

Of course, the usual eldergay racists are making this about black people when this race has nothing to do with them.

[quote]Cate blanchett out performed everybody else. She deserves all the awards. Enough with this woke nonsense.

So funny how racists always conveniently overlook the fact that the best actress Oscar has gone to a white woman every single year except one (the year Halle Berry won), which means for all their carping about "wokeness," it's clear that just being white will greatly stack the odds in Blanchett's favor. That's not to say she isn't legitimately deserving of the award, it's just an acknowledgement of the reality that despite the Academy's noble attempts at diversity and inclusion, for the best actress category being white is still a major advantage and you're delusional if you claim otherwise.

It's exciting that the race is even competitive.

That said, I'd vote for Cate B. That performance blew me away. Unforgettable.

Both got BAFTA noms but the Brits usually award their own and I think Australia is a British commonwealth. The outcome of SAG will be more determinative of what happens Oscar night.

^ This would prove what a crock BAFTA awards are. So biased.

Michelle Williams made a surprise rebound with the nomination. However, the race is still between Blanchett and Yeoh. Yeoh still has the edge.

Yeoh doesn’t have shit. Cate will win her 3rd Oscar.

I haven't seen Tár to compare the performances, but I hope Michelle Yeoh wins. Hers was by far the best performance I did see this past year. Plus, her not even being nominated in 2001 (when I think she should have won) has always rankled me.

You'd think the Academy would award one amazing and overlooked talent before they'd give a THIRD statue to an established talent, but who the fuck knows for sure?

These are the same people who gave Anthony Hopkins a second Oscar for one of his weaker roles, and gave Meryl Streep her third Oscar for a role people have since come to despise (both of these awards also effectively snubbed fan favorite nominees).

The voting process, especially now that it's gone ranked-choice, rewards mainstream mashed-potato acting. I wouldn't be surprised if Tom fucking Hanks got another Oscar for his recent pig shit movies, only because the real performances couldn't get enough of the vote from the middle.

The Father wasn't one of Hopkins's weaker roles, R47. He was fantastic in the movie, and the Academy made the correct choice by voting for him instead of succumbing to maudlin sentimentality because Black Panther died of cancer.

Ma Rainey's Black Bottom is an awful movie filled with hammy performances. The Academy rightfully rejected it.

It’s not a lifetime achievement award - how many Oscars anybody has should be immaterial.

I thought Meryl was great in "Iron Lady."

The fact of the matter is, Tár will likely lose in most every category in which it’s nominated, but as a respected film the Academy will want to award it. Best Actress is the likeliest way to do that.

I loathe that Cunt Blanchett is attempting to pull a Daniel Day- Lewis by threatening to quit acting to nab her third Oscar.

[quote]R17 They will always give the Oscar to a biographical portrayal, especially of a ground breaking woman. Unfortunately, Blanchett.

By that standard it would be Ana de Arnas.

R52 if you could’ve bothered to actually read the referenced quote instead of going into queeny hysterics you would realise that she was joking.

R18 if you haven't heard of Michelle Yeoh, I can't help you. Her acting work would merit multiple lifetime achievement awards.

EEAAO has the wind behind its backs, and Michelle will be swept to victory.

Plus, no voter wants to sit through Tar.

[quote]They will always give the Oscar to a biographical portrayal, especially of a ground breaking woman.

Not always.

[quote]Plus, no voter wants to sit through Tar.

People could get away with this nonsense back in festival season, when it was possible that Tar might become a festival favorite that crashes and burns outside of Telluride or Toronto just like Spencer did last year. But Tar has been chugging through the season with a surprising level of support from industry groups that aren't just the highbrow snobs. Field got a DGA nomination, and that group includes a lot of television, music video and commercial directors.

Tar even outperformed The Fabelmans among the notoriously basic tech branches of the Academy, even though Michael Kahn and Janusz Kaminski should have been easy name-checks for Editing and Cinematography. Insisting that voters won't sit through Tar when the nominations clearly show that they did watch the movie and apparently really liked it is just delusional at this point.

R47 you're way off. As weak as The Iron Lady is as a movie, Streep's performance was widely acclaimed and Anthony Hopkins was astonishing in The Father

Plus Tom Hanks hasn't been nominated since 2001.

Michelle Yeoh better take it.

I'm kinda tired of Cate's face. Like M, she doesn't know how to make herself scarce, and she's everything, everywhere, all at once.

Yes, the nominations for editing and cinematography show a solid level of respect for Tar, not to mention director when some pundits thought Field would be left out.

R60 Some of us have an "all-natural" face to endure such exposure.

R38 cate always sem to say the right things unfortunately for her she doesn't sound genuine. Nobody believes she is about diversity, or that she admires Viola, or want to work with her. In fact I don't ever remember Cate being in a movie with a diverse cast.

On a preferential ballot EEAAO is in big trouble. I believe reports that many of the older, more conservative potential voters switched off after the first hour (I know I did after the IRS sequence). Therefore the film will get placed either ninth or tenth on quite a few ballots. No way Yeoh wins, as a result. Ke Huy Quan might even lose in a shock win for Judd Hirsch. EEAAO is highly likely to walk home empty handed on Oscar night. And Blanchett wins Best Actress hands down.

I kind of think Hirsch was very lucky to get a nom, given that his co-star Dano got better reviews and a SAG nom, but who knows? He could be a sentimental upset winner ala Don Ameche for "Cocoon."

Ke Huy Quan has Supporting Actor locked down, unfortunately. Even if the preferential ballot is fatal to Everything Everywhere's chances to win Best Picture (and as much as I'd like it to lose, I don't think it's going to happen), Quan is still the overwhelming favorite.

Two mass shootings in which the assailants were Asian…plus the Golden Globes becoming a superspreader event…

The Academy’s goodwill might be exhausted by the time voting winds down…which doesn’t bode well for EEAAO.

I think it's still going to Blanchett this year.

I'd love for it to go to Colin Farrell for Best Actor but it's probably Fraser's.

R67, you stupid cunt

Most Oscar prognosticators have determined Best Actor is the race to watch. The winners for Actress (Blanchett), Supporting Actress (Bassett), and Best Supporting Actor (Quan) are locked up. Best Actor is currently a 3-way tie (momentum has shifted from Fraser, to Butler, to now Farrell).

Judd Hirsch should've won MY Oscar for Supporting in "Ordinary People."

But...category fraud...

Sorry, Timothy and Judd, but Jason Robards should have won that Oscar.

R72 Jason had already won two Oscars by 1981. He was a revered stage and screen actor, and everybody knew it. He didn't need a third statue any more than Blanchett needs one this year.

I don't hear anyone taking up for Joe Pesci or Michael O'Keefe (whoever that is) in that year's running.

I like Blanchett in Tar except the way she conducted. That didn't look authentic

Tar is a shitty movie. The last 30-45 mins seem disjointed from the entire story. I had no idea what the fuck was going on there.

[quote]Two mass shootings in which the assailants were Asian…plus the Golden Globes becoming a superspreader event…The Academy’s goodwill might be exhausted by the time voting winds down…which doesn’t bode well for EEAAO.

Only asshole racists such as yourself would let it affect their vote.

R74= that bitter dyke Marin Alsop

R67, is that what passes for wit and intelligence on GAB?

Unfortunately that may describe a substantial subset of the Academy, R76.

[quote]Nobody believes she is about diversity, or that she admires Viola, or want to work with her. In fact I don't ever remember Cate being in a movie with a diverse cast.

She was in [italic]Thor: Ragnarok[/italic] with Idris Elba, Tessa Thompson, and Tadanobu Asano. (Plus Taika Watiti, if his claims of Māori descent aren't BS...)

R79, she was also in Babel, where the whole point of the movie was an international cast who proved that overacting is universal in any language.

Go Girl!

Strange dress though

Michelle Yeoh is heading for Oscar!!! Yay!!!

[quote]Nobody believes she is about diversity, or that she admires Viola, or want to work with her. In fact I don't ever remember Cate being in a movie with a diverse cast.

[quote]She was in Thor: Ragnarok with Idris Elba, Tessa Thompson, and Tadanobu Asano. (Plus Taika Watiti, if his claims of Māori descent aren't BS...)

Babel, Oceans 8, Benjamin Button. She's done more than her fair share of period pieces with all White casts, but she's Australian and easily gets typecast as the upper crust European. I wouldn't say she doesn't work with diverse casts because some of her BIGGEST films were with diverse casts. She comes across as a little aristocratic, so it's easy to shove her in a corset and stick her with a bunch of White folks. So does Tilda Swinton.

Hell, she may be eager to work with more diverse casts and isn't getting the opportunities because producers see her and say "Let's stick her in a 1940's period piece where she can play the femme fatale" and that's the kind of movies that the folks she works for can get made. But I wouldn't say she avoids working with diverse casts.

Now Asians are FOR Affirmative Action! I guess that counts as progress if an inferior performance is rewarded because the world needs a “First Asian Best Actress Winner.”

After her SAG win there is no doubt the Michelle Yeoh pretty much has the Oscar in the bag.

Todd Field's films make rake in the Oscar nominations but they are too cold for the Academy's taste to actual give them any awards.

Do we think Michelle Yeoh has had work done? She look great but her eyes seem to have a different shape now compared to 20 years ago. Kind of funny that she lives in Switzerland with a French car racing executive. Their place is a bit wan and colorless, even for Calvinist Geneva...

R85: I suggest you take a closer look at this thread truly to find out more about UNDESERVING actors/actresses who have won Oscar

R87: I think she’s at heart a good Chinese girl with strong family values

Her first marriage was to Hongkong Chinese businessman Dickson Poon, which ended in divorce [amidst allegations of domestic violence]

So now I guess she just wants someone stable even if he’s a bit older and slightly staid/boring

Archived version of article at r87

R89 a childless divorcée living with a man out of wedlock doesn't exactly scream "strong family values" to me. Does she consider herself Chinese? She grew up in Malaysia and the UK and didn't learn Cantonese (speaking only) until she was an adult.

R91: I guess being half Chinese myself I’ve some pretty unconventional notions about family values lolz

In interviews she’s referred to herself as ‘Chinese Malaysian’, so I guess a bit like a hybrid

We actually share a mutual family friend: Michelle spoke English and Cantonese at home from a young age, although I think it’s the Malaysian version [and not the more polished Hong Kong version]

I'd like to see Cate win, because I enjoyed her performance in Tar. I think Michelle Yeoh, will win though.

R70. Where are you? Please come back and retrieve your comment.

Nostradamus you ain’t.

[quote]Now Asians are FOR Affirmative Action! I guess that counts as progress if an inferior performance is rewarded because the world needs a “First Asian Best Actress Winner.”

It's your opinion that it's an inferior performance because it's a subjective award. But claiming that it's "affirmative action" is just straight up bullshit.

Or I guess when Kristi Yamaguchi won an Olympic gold medal that was also "affirmative action" to you. Perhaps when Midori Ito became the first woman to land a triple axel in competition you also said "yeah, well they HAD to let her. She's ASIAN!"

I don't want to scare you or anything but 60% of the world's population is Asian. Possibly becoming the first to win a Best Actress honor after nearly 100 years is frankly shocking.

Stunt girl who got lucky.

She won’t win the Oscar. Academy members are a hell of a lot more discerning than the SAG-AFTRA voters, many of whom are non-actors who work for national and local news outlets.

[quote]Stunt girl who got lucky.

She's not a stunt woman. She has no stunt credits on IMDb. As a matter of fact, she was a ballet dancer and has never learned martial arts. She has to be taught the moves by the stunt team and she is able to repeat them gracefully because of her ballet training.

LA Times:

'Everything Everywhere' won the guild trifecta. Now it's the Oscars frontrunner.

R97: indeed. It’s her years of classical ballet training from a young age onwards that have really stood her in good stead

^ Archived version

OK, dancer who got lucky, then.

I admit she’s good in EEAAO but in everything else I’ve seen her in she’s a total stick of wood. Even in a great role like the one she had in Crazy Rich Asians. Stiff as a board facial expressions with extremely flat, colorless line readings. Not a good actress at all. It’s laughable that she’s mentioned in the same breath as Cate Blanchett. As I put it a while ago, she’s Sharon Stone to Blanchett’s Meryl Streep.

R101: are you sure you aren’t r96, instead of r97?

[quote]t’s laughable that she’s mentioned in the same breath as Cate Blanchett.

I think a lot of people (including the Academy) will disagree with you. She's had a very different career than Blanchett. She started off as an action hero, but she's been in tons of Chinese dramas and comedies that were never released in the US. And I'm pretty sure that the reason they just dropped Crouching Tiger back into theaters is to remind people she is a phenomenal actor and that was an amazing heartbreaking movie and she (and Ziyi Zhang ) probably deserved Oscar nods for it. It was nominated for 10 Oscars and none of them were for the actors?? If the acting wasn't superb, the editors, composer, costumers, NONE of them would have been nominated.

Sharon Stone had a great career and she slowly aged out of it. Michelle Yeoh had a different great career and she's getting stronger all the time.

I shouldn't say "she's getting stronger". Hollywood just finally noticed.

Yes, r102, r101 was r96 not r97. I was r97.

R103 what are you talking about? The quality of acting in a movie has nothing to do with Oscar nominations for technical achievements. although I agree that Yeoh and Ziyi merited nominations over anybody from "Chocolat" and "Almost Famous."

And Sharon Stone?? What "career" did she have aside from Total Recall, Basic Instinct and Casino? Yeoh's had a longer and more varied career, she's very successful, rich, pretty, thin, and not batshit crazy like Stone. Yeoh may not have an Oscar but I really don't see her as an underdog.

I don't think Michelle Yeoh is a great actor in her English speaking roles.

Thank you, Cate, at R106

Michelle Yeoh reminds me of a woman who stole intellectual property from a tech company I work at…

It is funny that Yeoh had to learn her lines phonetically for crouching tiger because she doesn’t know mandarin, kinda like Christina Aguilera and her “Latin” album.

I hope Cate wins but I hate hearing her talk outside of movies. She gave an interview about making blue Jasmine and called the Madoff scandal “the holocaust of the financial crisis.” I still have no idea what she could have meant by that. Perhaps it’s better that she didn’t realize she was playing a character based on Mia Farrow in that movie…

R109 and me!

[quote][R103] what are you talking about? The quality of acting in a movie has nothing to do with Oscar nominations for technical achievements. although I agree that Yeoh and Ziyi merited nominations over anybody from "Chocolat" and "Almost Famous

It shouldn't but it does. Look at all the nominations in the technical award categories like sound editing, visual effects, makeup. 90% of them are for movies where there's also an actor nominated. There's an occasional foreign film with one nomination that slips in, it basically, unless the acting is top notch, all the other awards don't follow.

Parasite was another movie this makes me think of. Best Picture and Best Foreign Language Film in the same year as well as Best Director and Best Screenplay. It own all the top awards and didn't have a single actor nominated?? They easily could have (should have) nominated the mom, the dad, both kids, the ex housekeeper, and the rich wife. It was a global phenomenon and awarded for everything except the acting which is what held it all together.

R109 is so right! When she won her Oscar for Blue Jasmine, Cate said something idiotic like, “And receiving this from Mr. Daniel Day-Lewis only exacerbates the honor.” She’s a great actress, but she sounds so fucking dumb when she speaks.

Blanchett wins:

[quote](even with the laudable expansion of the voting membership, the Academy still has a voting base that is 66% male and 81% white).

Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis were in two of the greatest films of all-time--Psycho and Some Like It Hot. For that alone, Jamie deserves the Oscar. Too many people have lost respect for true Hollywood Royalty. We need to cherish and honor it, because they're all dying off at an alarming rate. Who do we have to look up to anymore? Timothee Chalamet and Margot Robbie? I don't think so.

Like many actresses, Michelle needs a good director - and script - to bring out her potential

To use a film most of us are familiar, ‘Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon’ sees her play a traditional swordswoman from the Qing Dynasty. Her character calls for her to be repressed and abiding of all the Confucian womanly ‘virtues’ [put yourself behind everyone’s concerns, esp. the men’s]. I think she did a great job showing the hidden frustrations - like she could never tell the Chow Yuen-fatt character how much she loves him; it’s all simmering, boiling slowly beneath the surface

Also: her restraint provides a much needed contrast to Zhang Ziyi’s boldness and vivacity, and in that sense it’s ensemble acting at its best. No scenery chewing at the expense of the overall result

So I think it’s rather unfair to say that she isn’t a good actress, and that she’s merely skilled in actions and stunts

Yeah, Charlize Theron was a ballet dancer and can do stunt work but no one would pigeon hole her as a "lucky stunt woman".

R116, Charlize is by far one of the greatest actors of her generation. Her role in Monster was a masterpiece.

I am a Michelle fan but there is not comparison...

I sincerely hope r114 is joking with that post. You want to give her an Oscar just for being a nepo baby, really?

Hollywood is supposed to be a meritocracy, not some sort of sprawling royal family.

R106, I enjoyed Yeoh in The Lady. I thought she was overlooked for noms in that role.

R114 by your logic the Academy Award for best Actress should go to JLC’s older sister Kelly Curtis who is also the child of Hollywood royalty. Plus she’s an actress AND director.

No? That’s not what you meant?

You sound like an idiot, R114.

[quote][R116], Charlize is by far one of the greatest actors of her generation. Her role in Monster was a masterpiece.

Yeah. And Michelle Yeoh is one of the greatest actresses of her generation in Chinese films. She's been in tons of movies that we've never had access to. She's breaking through in the US. And if she wins an Oscar, she'll be considered one of the greatest worldwide stars of her generation. No disrespect to Charlize Theron, but we've been sleeping on Yeoh for 30 years.

Also: one must bear in mind: the resources - good scripts, good roles, good directors - available to white, and increasingly black, actors/actresses, far outstrip anything available to Asian actors/actresses

This is of course refering to the English-speaking market, which is tantamount to the worldwide market

Sure, people are doing good work in Chinese/Indian/Iranian [just to name a few] markets in their native languages, but they simply do not get the same exposure - and financial rewards - of those in English-speaking films

So I think that’s why it’s rather unfair to compare the body of work of say Cate, or Charlize, to someone like Michelle. The opportunities/resources/exposure are so much greater and plentiful for the former group it’s not even funny

Yeoh is right out of the Wokiellennial wishbook. She's foreign, female and trying to reinvent herself. They love that shit.

R123, Yeoh has been acting before 'woke' was even a concept fermenting inside most angry conservative's enraged pea brains.

R124 "woke" did not originate from conservatives, the batardized version of today, yes, ( which maga trolls, conspiracy theorists, triggered snowflakes and racsists use)but Woke in its original meaning is an invention of black culture and though of the early 90s.

Blanchett is bloated on her own ego. She was one of the worst guests I've ever seen on Graham Norton, her self importance on full display.

She and Streep can go away.

R126, I'm not a Cate Blanchett fan person per se. However, I think a lot of the things posted about her on here and on L Chat are false. She comes off as very real and down to earth. She seems very sweet and kind. I don't get all the hate she gets here, for what using big words? All actresses are divas and Cate seems by far the least diva of all. I watched that Graham Norton show and she did not come off as you described

[quote]Sure, people are doing good work in Chinese/Indian/Iranian [just to name a few] markets in their native languages, but they simply do not get the same exposure - and financial rewards - of those in English-speaking films

r122 this is fucked up whether you realize it or not. You have a white supremacist view of what constitutes excellence based on whether or not English speaking white audiences are the target audience. Many of the best directors I can think of are Asian and their films are brilliant.

Actors that have burning desire to work in American films want money and fame, they aren't the ones who are fueled solely by their love of acting. Excellent actors focus on the material. Ego driven actors want to fill their bank accounts and feed their ego.

English-speaking films as you put it, are not the highest bar when it comes to film, just the most lucrative.

Michelle should have gotten an Oscar nom for CTHD and even CRA and she didn't because well # Oscarsowhite and now to give her an Oscar for her bland role in a really silly movie just because Academy is trying to recognize diversity is a real insult to Michelle and unfair to the other nominees

[quote] Actors that have burning desire to work in American films want money and fame,

Isn't that.l 99.9% of actors though? I'm dorry but Cate or Meryl etc are not taking on roles simply to " work.on.their.craft" it's a job they need to get paid, these multi million dollar mansions are not going to pay for themselves.

[quote]Michelle should have gotten an Oscar nom for CTHD and even CRA and she didn't because well # Oscarsowhite and now to give her an Oscar for her bland role in a really silly movie just because Academy is trying to recognize diversity is a real insult to Michelle and unfair to the other nominees.

Whoa! It's been called one of the most exciting films in years and clearly one of the best movies of 2022 and her role was far from Bland. If you want Bland, let's just give Frances McDormand another Oscar. She laughed, she cried, she fought, she made us feel sympathy for her and her tax auditor in a world where they had hot dog fingers!! It was so over the top ridiculous that without Yeoh, Quan. Curtis, and Hsu we probably all would have thought it was the most ridiculous movie ever! They walked an absurdly ridiculous tightrope and when I saw it, there were people streaming out of the theater wiping away tears. About a movie that featured a power generating buttoning award!!!

Please don't downplay what an incredible film it was. And continually harping on "diversity" when they all did an amazing job is just so fucking racist.

Someohow "buttplug" autocorrected to "buttoning" but you all knew that

R114 wins for silliest logic. While Janet was indeed great in Psycho, Tony Curtis was not a truly great actor by any stretch and I wouldn't call him Hollywood royalty.

Yes, Best Picture Is Going to ‘Everything Everywhere All at Once’ — But Will It Become the Third Movie in History to Win Three Acting Oscars?

Variety thinks that Jamie Lee Curtis and James Hung may pull Michelle Yeoh over the finish line at the Oscars: "I’ve long believed “Everything Everywhere” winning best picture and director would be what Yeoh needs to win the best actress Oscar. However, it turns out the key to winning was with her co-star Jamie Lee Curtis (and James Hong) all along."

Of course that article comes from the idiotic Clayton Davis, whose columns are always about promoting an agenda instead of actual analysis.

People are going to vote for Michelle Yeoh because of James Hong's acceptance speech at the SAG awards, which were broadcast on YouTube and watched by virtually no one? Ridiculous. Bad Oscar pundits continue to insist that Academy voters are swayed by things like acceptance speeches or Twitter outrage, and yet Oscar voters reject that almost every single time.

[quote]People are going to vote for Michelle Yeoh because of James Hong's acceptance speech at the SAG awards, which were broadcast on YouTube and watched by virtually no one?

Well? It was probably watched more closely by the academy voters than the general public. I'm not saying he's right, but increasingly, I think a lot of the public has awards season fatigue. I'm not even sure when they started broadcasting the SAGs and the Independent Spirit Awards, but I didn't need them in my life.

Cate FTW

R135, Yes, Clayton Davies is a complete idiot. At the Critics Awards, he went on saying that Michelle Y would win but Cate did.

Bad Oscar pundits is the best way to describe all of these Twitter guys/gals.

I like Goldderby.com's combined odds system. They just moved Yeoh into first place. But JLC is still in third.

Chicago Sun-Times ; One of the best actors of our time delivers maybe her best work ever in the kind of grand, artsy, wildly inventive, prestige project that might as well have come wrapped in paper labeled “Oscar Bait.” The only contender with a chance is the beloved Michelle Yeoh for “Everything Everywhere All at Once,"

TuftsDaily - Although Andrea Riseborough’s controversial nomination initially shook up the category, Cate Blanchett and Michelle Yeoh remain the frontrunners. Yeoh, the winner at last weekend’s SAG Awards, deserves the award for her remarkable performance as Evelyn Wang in “Everything Everywhere,” but expect Critics’ Choice and BAFTA winner Blanchett to take home her third Oscar for her virtuosic leading role in “Tár.”

Nobody wants to repeat the BAFTA embarrassment. Michelle Yeoh will win. And Brendan Fraser.

[quote] She won’t win the Oscar. Academy members are a hell of a lot more discerning than the SAG-AFTRA voters, many of whom are non-actors who work for national and local news outlets.

"Discerning"?! Yes, discerning enough to have awarded Cher, Helen Hunt, Sandra Bullock, Gwyneth Paltrow and Emma Stone but NOT Glenn Close or Annette Bening?

[quote] [R116], Charlize is by far one of the greatest actors of her generation. Her role in Monster was a masterpiece.

Bitch, what?!

[quote] Also: one must bear in mind: the resources - good scripts, good roles, good directors - available to white, and increasingly black, actors/actresses, far outstrip anything available to Asian actors/actresses.

Untrue. The biggest motion picture engine outside of the U.S. is in Asia. Although, I agree that the American and European film industry don't appreciate or give full credit to the talent featured in Asian films but for the rare "Parasite."

Nicole @ r144, sorry hon that whispery thing you do which you call talking will not win you anymore awards. Oh and that embalm look , change it

EW Best Actress predictions

We know, we know; Cate Blanchett's performance in TÁR is career-best work. It has won every precursor imaginable thus far. But, as The Great Olivia Colman Upset Over Glenn Close of 2019 (official title) proved, Best Actress is a place where legends can unseat legends, and momentum for Michelle Yeoh (and Everything Everywhere All at Once) has only grown in recent weeks. The film racked up an impressive 11 Oscar nods (even in unexpected categories, like Best Original Song) — something the cast and crew admittedly never imagined before the film became A24's highest-grossing picture of all time in early 2022. Sustaining passionate support that long is telling when it comes to gauging Hollywood's affection for this film, and, given the Academy's growing international tastes, it feels like a betrayal of the industry's across-the-board, unified support for the film to predict anyone but Yeoh to take home the gold in this contentious category.

Still, as unpredictable as The Academy can be, there's an equally compelling case to bet on this season simply being a Blanchett steamroll, and statistics are keeping us locked on her for now. Especially since she repeated (again) at the BAFTAs. If she takes the SAG Award, this race is over (in her favor). But, if the actors go for Yeoh, it's anyone's game — well, between these two, that is.

This is the first time in many years that this category doesn't interest me. I don't care about any of the nominees.

Why does anyone in the world give credence to the BAFTAs? Of course Blanchett was going to win.

Michelle Yeoh got a standing ovation last night at the Stephen Colbert show. The people love her! They want her to win the Oscar.

R143 Glenn did win the SAG for The Wife, part of why the odds were firmly in her favour. Before, well, you know..

The Actors branch of the Academy is currently headed by Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson (??) and Marlee Matlin. Ava DuVernay and Jason Reitman head up the Directors branch. There are 15 or so other branches (publicists, hair/make-up people, vis effects, studio execs). When you think about it, most of the voters aren't that talented or are far past their prime.

[quote]Michelle Yeoh got a standing ovation last night at the Stephen Colbert show. The people love her! They want her to win the Oscar.

With all the publicity she's getting, the public appreciates how gracious and candid she is.

The " people" are not the ones voting. Cate deserves the Oscar. End of.

Ham Blanchett is not getting a third oscar. At least not for this.

The Actors branch of the Academy is currently headed by Whoopi Goldberg

And why not? I'm a movie star!

[quote]The " people" are not the ones voting

Guess you're too dumb to see that it was in response to " The people love her." Keep up.

R152 It's 'Visionary Film Director Ava DuVernay', bitch!

People don’t live in isolation, and that include voters of the Oscars

People also don’t form their opinions in a vacuum. Rather, they read news, they surf the net, they interact on social media, they *talk* to others

So, it’s a long winded way of saying that: while the general public don’t vote *directly* for the Oscar, the public’s reactions and receptions are bound to have a not insignificant impact on the actual voters

Therefore Michelle’s current wave of goodwill is bound to help her, albeit in immeasurable ways

Sure I know about The Depression. I read Variety!

Who votes for the Oscar nominees? Is it a special group or is it all / anybody jn Hollywood?

In the major categories, everyone votes.

I think they just pull names out of a hat.

They pull names out of a hole!

Blanchett has only won the Oscar when she also won at SAG. Since she lost to Yeoh, we'll see what this means for the big night.

Side track: Popular Gal

R161 R162. Not quite right: re nominations, each branch votes only for its own category: actors nominate only actors, not directors, etc. Certain categories have a pre-selected “short list” or use a different rule (international film, short subjects l)…Best Picture is the only category in which the full Academy votes for nominees.

Every member gets to vote across the board when it comes to the final ballot (that last part is about to happen—final voting is open only for a few days before next week’s presentation). Best Picture is ranked voting: you list first thru ten in your preferred order. All other categories are single choice voting.

In all categories other than Best Picture: mathematically, with 5 choices, it only takes votes from 20% + 1 of the membership to win an Oscar.

And for nominations…in the actin categories, where the branch self-selects nominees, you could become one of 5 nominees with just a couple of hundred votes…those are small margins.

When has there been a " discussion" on DL concerning the Oscars Best Actress so divided and "heated"? It will make Oscar night worthwhile.

Cool!

[quote]When has there been a " discussion" on DL concerning the Oscars Best Actress so divided and "heated"?

Nothing compares to last year's discussion. This is a close race, but the praise for both front-runners is genuine. Last year people were vicious toward every Best Actress nominee except Penelope Cruz. And that doesn't even get into that brief period in the race when people thought Lady Gaga might win for House of Gucci.

Who won Vest Actress lady year?😵‍💫🤔

Jessica Chastain won for The Eyes of Tammy Faye. She beat Nicole Kidman (Being the Ricardos), Kristen Stewart (Spencer), Olivia Colman (The Lost Daughter) and Penelope Cruz (Parallel Mothers).

It should surprise no one that Nicole Kidman as Lucille Ball and Kristen Stewart as Princess Diana did not go over well at DataLounge.

Ahhh, the memories…! 💩

But I love PC, especially in full Almodóvar mode

Blanchett should already lose because she started claiming she was going to retire a la Daniel Day Lewis to make the Academy believe this would be her last chance.

Based on the wins for Hopkins (over Boseman) and Coleman (over G), my money would be on Cate. Reason being that they seem to ignore race/sentiment in favor of performance. Also, awarding Frances a third when they could have given Viola a lead Oscar.

Blanchett never claimed that she was going to retire, R175. She made a joke in an interview. If you keep insisting that she did, you're either lying or you simply don't understand what she actually said.

Who will present the winner with her trophy? Will?

Cate Blanchett criticized the "patriarchal pyramid" of Hollywood awards shows as she accepted a best actress gong from the Critics Choice Association in Los Angeles on Sunday.

The Australian actor and Oscars frontrunner, whose performance as an ambitious, morally dubious conductor in classical music drama "TAR" is sweeping awards, told a packed ballroom that she wished the whole "structure" of awards shows could be changed.

"It's like, what is this patriarchal pyramid where someone stands up here?" she said, collecting her prize from North America's largest critics organization.

It seems that only Michelle Y and Cate B are out and about selling themselves for the Oscar? Are the other best actresses not allowed to do publicty events for their chance at Oscar as well?

R178 Yes Will will be presenting Best Actress. I have arranged it with the Academy. They are shit scared of me and do whatever I say.

Cate is an idiot. It's hierarchical not patriarchical.

It's patriarchal too though

Gotta get that dig in at men, Cate. They are sure to vote for you now.

Independent Spirit Awards are going on now. Non-gendered acting award nominees:

Cate Blanchett, Tár

Dale Dickey, A Love Song

Mia Goth, Pearl

Regina Hall, Honk for Jesus. Save Your Soul.

Paul Mescal, Aftersun

Aubrey Plaza, Emily the Criminal

Jeremy Pope, The Inspection

Taylor Russell, Bones and All

Andrea Riseborough, To Leslie

Michelle Yeoh, Everything Everywhere All at Once

Yeoh won the Independent Spirit Award over Cate.

^^^ we been knew

[quote]^^^ we been knew

It was posted the moment she was announced the winner, so fuck off.

It surprises me that no other actress besides those nominated weren't better than these. Boring. I'm backing Kerry Condon for Supporting and she's the only female among the acting noms who was wonderful.

[quote]I'm backing Kerry Condon for Supporting and she's the only female among the acting noms who was wonderful.

Does your wife know you post on DL, Mr. Condon?

[quote]On a preferential ballot EEAAO is in big trouble. I believe reports that many of the older, more conservative potential voters switched off after the first hour (I know I did after the IRS sequence). Therefore the film will get placed either ninth or tenth on quite a few ballots. No way Yeoh wins, as a result. Ke Huy Quan might even lose in a shock win for Judd Hirsch. EEAAO is highly likely to walk home empty handed on Oscar night. And Blanchett wins Best Actress hands down.

Really, R64?

Wedding dress realness

The honour is exacerbated.

Well Cate was a fool for criticising awards and talking about "patriarchy", probs cost her votes

Yep, it's a good bet it did, especially with the " old guard" who probably would have voted for her had she not been so condemning.

R195 , since the Academy is made up of a lot of " old guard" types, I was sure she would win. I'm a bit shocked she lost tbh. Mostly males/ younger set may have voted for Michelle Yeoh

(R196) But, they are perfectly happy with the system and don't care for someone who speaks up against them, the very people who constructed it. No, she blew it with the traditional voter.

Finally, the thin, rich successful woman won!!

Gurls sorry for a slight interruption: but this here Shawn Mendes and Andrew Garfield were very glad to see each other at the Vanity Fair’s post-Oscar partay

Michelle Yeoh is more likeable and seem down to earth. Cate needs to take the stick out of her ass

I’d say the bigger achievement is that a 60 year old first time nominee won…that’s counter to the usual Oscar rule of young winners or multi-nominee elders finally winning. This is a break from the past.

R201 and a minority to boot

^i was making a specific point about age. Nothing else.

Well, I called it! Yeoh won!

However, my karma was instant because Angela Bassett did not win. 3 steps forward two steps back.

[quote] ^^ we been knew

Is English not your first language?

R205, that is an expression generously given to us by our colored brethren

R113 really?

I'm very glad Michelle Yeoh won because she sure as hell isn't ever getting nominated again!! I thought she was the best actress, but she's never going to get another role like that. Cate will get tons of opportunities to chew the scenery (if she doesn't really retire which I think she made as an offhand joke). But Yeoh has had two opportunities. Crouching Tiger, which deserved a nomination, and EEAAO. She's never going to have as good a role again. Being over 60 and Asian both seriously limit the kind of jobs she'll ever be offered.

Im so happy that this once in a lifetime opportunity came along and she got it.