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Brit Awards nomination fall out

And this is what happens when you try to phrase everyone

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by Anonymousreply 26January 22, 2023 4:18 PM

Please ^ not phrase ..damn autocorrect You don’t have “gender” categories, no women are nominated and then there’s an uproar. A friend suggested a non binary category. Just don’t even bring THAT into it.

by Anonymousreply 1January 13, 2023 1:32 AM

Yes heard this as a headline on the BBC News earlier tonight and thought. Yeah hope 'the theys' are happy now. #femaleerasure

by Anonymousreply 2January 13, 2023 1:43 AM

This isn’t the fault of trans people rather than it just illustrates that, when it comes down to it, a voting group made up mostly of men will amplify men over women. it’s just exposing that generalized misogyny is still totally commonplace. There’s no shortage of talent from the women making music these days, so there’s no reason they shouldn’t be represented in a mixed gender category…yet here we are. That’s not trans peoples fault, or people that advocated for genderless categories, it’s an establishment issue. Idk why the blame in these instances is always misplaced lol.

by Anonymousreply 3January 13, 2023 1:52 AM

R3 that's so reductive. When you have a fixed amount of nominees and you make it a unisex category then naturally there's going to be a gender imbalance. Most times it will be women who will lose out. All because Sam Smith didn't want to be considered 'best male'. So ridic. Should have been awarded best seacow.

by Anonymousreply 4January 13, 2023 1:57 AM

[quote] then naturally there's going to be a gender imbalance.

Not necessarily actually.

[quote] Most times it will be women who will lose out.

And whose fault is that? The trans people that can’t vote on the nominees? Or the group that voted on the nominees themselves? You’re so close to getting it lol but you’re so determined to submit to your anti-trans demons in your head that you won’t get it.

by Anonymousreply 5January 13, 2023 2:10 AM

Of course there's going to be a gender imbalance if you have 5 nominees. Anyway, it would have been easier if they just gave the enbys their own category. Then some obscure mediocre musician who identifies as they could feel like they're on the same level as Harry Styles

by Anonymousreply 6January 13, 2023 1:05 PM

I really don't get the point of awards shows anymore. What is the point, seriously. Why not just have genre shows or something - go back to those shows that just had a handful of people perform each week.

by Anonymousreply 7January 13, 2023 1:09 PM

I see our resident gender ideology apologist is in the comments

by Anonymousreply 8January 13, 2023 1:18 PM

[quote]When you have a fixed amount of nominees and you make it a unisex category then naturally there's going to be a gender imbalance.

It's not "naturally" a gender imbalance, there's a gender imbalance because of sexism. Of COURSE men are going to take advantage of genderless categories and ice out women. That's what they do, unconsciously or not. It was foolish to try to make it a genderless category because there are simply more old, sexist men in these organizations than there are modern, younger people who will vote based on talent and without gender bias.

by Anonymousreply 9January 13, 2023 2:04 PM

[quote]It's not "naturally" a gender imbalance, there's a gender imbalance because of sexism.

No, there is an "imbalance" because there are a finite number of nominations, and there will be OUTRAGE if there aren't enough nominees who fit various other categories who might protest louder.

The reality is that awards shows are now blue ribbons for participating and being the correct minority and women are represented in other categories in which those minorities may not be.

by Anonymousreply 10January 13, 2023 2:08 PM

[quote]The reality is that awards shows are now blue ribbons for participating

Now? Suggesting that, what, before now they were actually worthwhile?

by Anonymousreply 11January 13, 2023 2:26 PM

[quote]It's not "naturally" a gender imbalance, there's a gender imbalance because of sexism.

Be sure to burn your bra in protest.

by Anonymousreply 12January 13, 2023 2:47 PM

This is why "rights aren't like pie" is a load of rubbish. Giving rights to TIMs requires taking them away from women.

by Anonymousreply 13January 13, 2023 2:51 PM

I was wondering why Sam Smith was trending today. It's because of this.

The gender ideologue is doing her best in this thread to not cast blame on enbys and other sundry gender authoritarians.

But clearly, the overwhelming majority see this for what it is: More erasure of women by cross-dressing men.

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by Anonymousreply 14January 13, 2023 2:55 PM

Will Young and Sam Smith were the ones who called for this. Two men oppose women having their own category, and they get their way. How the fuck is this acceptable in the twenty-first century?

by Anonymousreply 15January 13, 2023 2:56 PM

I understand Meghan will be receiving the Rula Lenska Lifetime Achievement Award

by Anonymousreply 16January 13, 2023 3:01 PM

Owen Jones has come up with a truly ingenious solution:

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by Anonymousreply 17January 13, 2023 10:25 PM

OP, do you not understand what a thread title is supposed to be? Nothing about the words you put in the title nor the description give the reader any sort of idea what the thread is about.

by Anonymousreply 18January 13, 2023 11:13 PM

And yet the rest of us managed perfectly well r18, so perhaps the problem is you

by Anonymousreply 19January 13, 2023 11:43 PM

R17 what a twat

by Anonymousreply 20January 13, 2023 11:45 PM

r17 Maybe they could even have two awards

by Anonymousreply 21January 14, 2023 1:28 AM

The absolute fucking nerve of Sam Smith. He campaigned for the removal of the male and female categories in the first place!

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by Anonymousreply 22January 22, 2023 3:23 PM

R17 So, would that arbitrary rule apply for everything then Owen? Race as well? Because almost 90% of the British population is white and yet the entertainment industry would have people believe differently.

by Anonymousreply 23January 22, 2023 3:32 PM

These people are idiots. There was already a way to ensure that 50% of the noms were female.

by Anonymousreply 24January 22, 2023 3:50 PM

What defines a woman though? Surely trans women fall into the criteria to be nominated, meaning actual women still lose out.

by Anonymousreply 25January 22, 2023 4:04 PM

A biological male basically says eliminate gender from categories and women got fucked.

by Anonymousreply 26January 22, 2023 4:18 PM
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