JFK’s Gay Lover, Lem Billings

Cute.

Um.

Another.

Jack made a big difference in my life," Billings said. "Because of him, I was never lonely. He may have been the reason I never got married."

Uncle Bottom!

Those curious about Lem must read the wonderfully engaging JACKIE & ME by Louis Bayard, which is a fictionalized story of Lem's relationship with the Kennedys, from their youth to Lem's old age in the early 1980s. A truly entertaining and insightful novel, humorous and poignant.

Lem grasped his fixation on Bobby Kennedy JR before he was a teenager. After RFK death , lem became a father figure and follower of Bobby Jr , including doing hard drugs

back in them days it was ok for a str8 go get blown by his good buddy.....did lem ever get pregnant from jfk cuming in him?

Did Jackie watch ?

Did "Uncle Lem" ever accost JFK Jr.?

Well u dont think he was satisfied with that corney dour wife of his do you?

[QUOTE] Although Joe Kennedy, the family patriarch, was reportedly suspicious of Billings’ close relationship with his son, the Kennedy family welcomed Billings into their exclusive family circle.

He’s lucky Godfather Joe didn’t have him wacked.

I never thought of President Kennedy as a young man as pictured here. It’s always as the President that was murdered. I guess it is different for those of us born after his death.

R8 = yawn. Comedy isn't for you.

jfk and gore vidal were real chummy ya know.

"There were three people in my marriage so it became a bit crowded."

^ Charles and Camilla never wore matching shorts.

From Wikipedia:

On May 28, 1981, Billings died in his sleep following a heart attack in his Manhattan apartment. His dying wish was for the young Kennedy men to carry his casket to its final resting place. When they arrived at the cemetery, it was already in place to be lowered. The young Kennedys took the casket and carried it around the gravesite before returning it to the burial plot.

Billings was less masculine then Camilla

Hey, it was a different time and people had "arrangements."

Young Jack was so damn hot. Lem was one lucky boy if he really got to go through his sexual exploration phase with him.

jfk was lucky, lem was a hot piece of ass. cute boy.....

I thought they were just platonic BFFs? They actually had a sexual relationship? I'm surprised netflix hasn't made a film about this yet, complete with an violent anal rape scene for "historical context"

Gore Vidal was banned from the WH after getting into a cat fight with Lem.

OP The thread title picture is not Lem Billings with JFK it's another longtime pal Torbert MacDonald who later became a congressman. Kennedy had a special ability to form life long friendships mostly with men. These were straight guys who were completely beguiled by him. Jackie's designer and quite the ladies man himself Oleg Cassini said in old age " I use to think I was in love with Jacqueline I realize now I was in love with Jack." Another snap of Torby and JFK.

^ Meh. Never saw what all the fuss was about.

Rose must have never suspected a thing, or she would have kicked LB out of the Kennedy fold. She was a notorious homophobe, and she disowned her own Daughter Kathleen for marrying a Protestant. She wouldn't even go to funeral when Kathleen and her Husband died in a plane crash.

Did JFK have any other gay friends?

What were his overall thoughts on homosexuality?

[quote]Charles and Camilla never wore matching shorts.

R17 - I laughed when I saw that photo because my dad had a pair of swimming trunks *exactly* like those in the early ‘60s.

gore vidal and tennessee williams were friends with jfk....he liked the wild artists.

R30, was he ever friends with Truman Capote?

Doubt it, capote was a bit too much.....a drunk nellie queen with a big mouth. gore vidal, friend of jfk, hated capote.

What about r24? Thanks

R27, Rose was no dummy. Everyone knew Lem was gay. Back then, people were closeted but a lot of their inner circle knew and, while maybe not accepting, didn’t toss them out on their asses. Of course, if Lem had been out, they may have tossed him. The whole point was keeping secret about it. Glad times have changed.

Jackie didn't want John Jr to be gay because she was still salty about Lem stealing JFK's attention from her. Jackie could deal with the whores because they meant nothing but Jack was the type of man who only loved other man. Lem was actual competition for Jack's affection that Jackie didn't want.

JFK was never handsome.

r36, just young.

People always confuse youth with attractiveness. He wasn't bad looking. But when you see his younger pics and his younger body, he just seems more attractive than what he became. But youth has that power. Even now when I see a younger guy I am attracted to, I have to ask is it because he is actually attractive or is it because of his youth.

It's funny, I slept with a handful of older men in my 20s. I was attracted to them, the masculinity / security, but never really understood what they liked about me. I certainly wasn't attracted to myself. Now when I look at pics of myself at that age as someone in their late 40s might, I get it.

I think Jack's appeal was his boyish charm, amazing hair and smile. He had a nice body when young too. But he was never handsome or beautiful. More a sexy rascal. He probably was shitty in bed though due to his multiple physical ailments.

I find the dynamic Billings/Kennedy family quite interesting. Times were different back then. So, I understand that a universal don't-ask-don't-tell plus a captivating personality (Billings) could get him into the family fold. From what I read on Wikipedia, Billings was considered a close friend for the entire family, from grandparents to grandkids - and all that way beyond JFK's death. And it included Jackie. That's quite astonishing, especially for a family where competition and success was so important - while Billings to my knowledge was not that ambitious.

I'm guessing that JFK was always well-known as a notorious pussy-chaser which may make his friendship with Billings a lot easier. I'm sure if JFK had been more reserved and less of an open whore, people probably would have started chatters about him and 'the Mrs' by his side.

Notorious pussy-chaser = always horny = always hard = glad to have Lem around

That was one of the reasons Old Joe demanded Jack get married before running for Congress. Old Joe was afraid people would think he was “a fag” (his words, not mine).

JFK

Lem Billing left Robert F Kennedy Jr his Manhattan Townhouse after he died - which is now worth MILIIONS

JFK had no issues with gay men either did Jackie ( except when it came to JFK Jr) Camelot had many Queens beside Billings. William Walton the designer, JB West head of the WH domestic staff. Gore Vidal got exiled over a bitch fight he had with Billings. JFK had a nascent "gay sensibility " himself. He loved to gossip with them.Hollywood closet cases like Rock Hudson FBI file provided entertainment. When gay composer Irving Berlin kissed gay composer Sam Barber in greeting at a White House ball JFK exclaimed "Hey what about me?" Gore Vidal told Kennedy that Tennessee Williams said he had a sexy ass his response was a sarcastic "How exciting." So Kennedy had no problems with homosexuals in his private life . He was a sexual sophisticate. JFK was quite aware he could "seduce" women and men if he wished.

[QUOTE] That was one of the reasons Old Joe demanded Jack get married before running for Congress. Old Joe was afraid people would think he was “a fag” (his words, not mine).

But they are mine.

Love hurts when only ones in love.

Since when is Irving Berlin a gay composer?

Vidal said it was so obvious Billings was a flaming queen and in love with JFK. The Kennedy family just had a blind spot about the big ( he was 6'3") pink elephant in the room. If this big fag was ok with Jack then he was ok with the rest of them.He had been around most of them since childhood. Ted said it took him a while to realize Billings wasn't one of his brothers. Lem was "over the top" campy and sarcastic. Even in his darkest times he could make them laugh sorta like the Kennedy's personal Paul Lynde.

R47 My bad. It was Leonard Bernstein and Sam Barber.

R48 If Billings was 6'3" the Bobby must have been standing on step ladder.

[quote]JFK had no issues with gay men either did Jackie

Oh, dear!

r27 Rose was quoted as saying Kathleen's death was "God pointing a finger." Her own daughter! She was an enormous cunt.

Dayum.

Truman Capote, Gore Vidal, Tennessee Williams. Gay men were so sophisticated and worldly and talented back then. Today we have Andy Cohen, Billy Eichner and Billy Porter. What a shame.

r38, agreed. Jack was not particularly beautiful but he was clearly intelligent, charming, vivacious, and charismatic.

But it's accepted fact here that all "good" politicians are stunningly beautiful, while "bad" politicians are ugly.

While the rest fight over young Obama. I'll take young Nixon.

Rose was a tough, tough bitch. A lot of her kids, including JFK, didn’t have much love for her. They loved their father, however, he was known for indulging them.

The young John Garfield was the sexiest president. I gladly would've sucked his dick.

Sorry, JAMES Garfield! OMG.

Lem was the mystery man who administered the drug-laced enema that killed Marilyn Monroe so the affair between her and his "Pookie" came to a definite end.

R55, I don’t know that that’s true. Young Gerald Ford was incredibly handsome. Even Dubaya was a nice looking man, as was Reagan.

Rose cared more about the Catholic Church than she did her own children. She was a terrible mother, the Church was more important to her. Jackie thought she was a whack job.

[quote]The young [James] Garfield was the sexiest president. I gladly would've sucked his dick.

Even with that hair?!

Oh, honey.

Another vote for the Louis Bayard book. Delightful.

Any video of Billings to confirm he was as flamboyant as some here have described?

Now, the prematurely dead and sadly somewhat forgotten movie star John Garfield was one sexy guy. A little short, but I would have made it work.

JFK was typical for a man of his era in that he had little use for women outside of sex. That's just how a lot of men were back then.

[quote] He probably was shitty in bed though due to his multiple physical ailments.

JFK's physical ailments didn't stop him from becoming POTUS.

Angie Dickinson said he lasted 2 minutes.

JFK's sense of entitlement was what made him shitty in bed.

John Garfield was a lot sexier than James.

Vidal says it was Bobby who threw him out not Lem.

Didn't Bobby have an affair with Nureyev? Maybe Vidal wasn't his type...

Lee was the homophobe. Despite being surrounded by them. Strictly for entertainment purposes and a shoulder to cry on.

I just started listening to the Bayard book (gotta love a DL recommendation) and it’s a little fey so far but I’ll stick with it.

Irving Berlin was a raging heterosexualist and I'm the dame that can prove it!

[quote]Lem was the mystery man who administered the drug-laced enema that killed Marilyn Monroe so the affair between her and his "Pookie" came to a definite end.

Everyone knows by now the mafia killed Marilyn Monroe for not agreeing to wear a wire to blackmail JFK and RFK. They had a doctor administer an air bubble in her inner thigh when se was intoxicated causing an embolism that lead to heart attack that looked like an overdoe. She was known to over-prescribe so it looked like an accident.

Everyone knows, r73? That is the first I’ve heard of that crazy theory. Go figure, I thought a known drug addict died of a drug overdose.

[quote]causing an embolism that lead to heart attack

Oh, DEAR!

[quote]I thought a known drug addict died of a drug overdose.

Yeah, but that’s not salacious enough. We need more. Give me more!

r52/r56/r61 After what surgeons were allowed to do to her and Joe Sr.'s daughter Rosemary, I think you're being way too kind to "Honey Fitz" Fitzgerald's little girl Rose.

R21, he was not. He also had that voice.

[quote] Billings was less masculine then Camilla

Oh, dear.

Butter queen, Gore Vidal:

Gore Vidal, who was banned from the White House after a run-in with Billings,[42] was critical of Billings,[43] but also thought Billings played an important role as an aide to Kennedy, who was often ill or in pain. "He needed Lem Billings to get around — better than a trained nurse" that would have made his political career impossible. Vidal thought Jacqueline Kennedy thought Billings "was kind of a nothing ... but Jack needed him and she was practical."

Many testify to Billings' wit and ability to help the President relax. He once described the Kennedy family's lack of business awareness: "Listening to the Kennedy brothers talk about business was like hearing nuns talk about sex."[45] Billings also served the President as an artistic adviser, selecting scrimshaw for display in the Oval Office[46] and, on one European tour, quickly assembling a selection of artworks to be presented as gifts.[47] Billings spent less time with the President in the fall of 1963. One of their friends thought "that Jackie was trying to close Lem out."[48] Billings spent the last weekend of October 1963 with the couple, the last time he saw them together.[48] Billings saw the President for the last time when they dined at the White House with Greta Garbo on November 13, 1963, nine days before the President's assassination in Dallas.[49]

I’m sure he helped Jack relax alright…

"Selecting scrimshaw for the Oval Office" has to be the gayest sentence I've heard in a while.

[quote] [R27] Rose was quoted as saying Kathleen's death was "God pointing a finger." Her own daughter!

God pointed a finger many times, but it was clearly at Mrs. Kennedy herself, since she outlived four of her children and lived to see another one lobotomized and another one humiliate himself on a national level.

“ Rose was a tough, tough bitch. A lot of her kids, including JFK, didn’t have much love for her. They loved their father, however, he was known for indulging them.”

The same with Ethel and her kids . They considered their nanny , who happened to be a black Hispanic, their mom. The kids were deeply bonded with her and RFK referred to her as “ our treasure.” Ethel was a horrible mother and wife

—Anonymous

R73 For you hon.

Who cares about these people in 2023?

It's always 1963 here.

Jack Kennedy?

Jack NASTY!

[quote] What were his overall thoughts on homosexuality?

"These guys have to have their lives, too."

I love the idea of this situation whether it happened or not. I hope Barack had a similar arrangement

[quote] John Kennedy and Lem Billings met in 1933 at Choate Rosemary Hall

It was just Choate, then. No girls.

[quote]Butter queen, Gore Vidal

I don't recall a Gore Vidal back in St. Olaf. There was Gørsten Vitalis, the town barber ... As far as Butter Queen, I think Mr. Ingrid competed once, but this one doesn't ring a bell.

I'm sure Heath Ledger's death was some shadowy conspiracy too. Everybody knows sexy, famous people can't die just from overdosing on multiple drugs like mere mortal junkies!

Back then it was just Choate, not Choate Rosemary Hall. It didn't merge with Rosemary Hall (the nearby girls' school) until 1973.

R95, are you also r92?

[quote]Any video of Billings to confirm he was as flamboyant as some here have described?

His Happy Birthdays were breathier than Marilyn's.

Cute twink couple

Wasn’t he a big drug user, including heroin, after JFK died and introduced RFK’s sons (especially Bobby Jr) to drugs?

Yes, he was a big drug user. He fell into a drug abyss for the rest of the 60s and all of the 70s. JFK's death destroyed him. His death was basically caused by drug and alcohol abuse.

Great thread.

[quote]Everyone knows, [R73]? That is the first I’ve heard of that crazy theory. Go figure, I thought a known drug addict died of a drug overdose.

Mafia plot to smear Kennedys using Frank Sinatra and Marilyn Monroe Mafia bosses planned to "compromise" Bobby and Edward Kennedy at a New York party in a plot involving Frank Sinatra and Marilyn Monroe, according to FBI documents.

The crazy thing is I first heard the story in the crazy beyond crazy and extremely entertaining interview Quincy Jones gave to Vulture magazine in 2018. I read the entire thing, much or which seems to be have been cleaned from the internet. He spilled tons of tea on a lot of legends from Michael Jackson to Marlon Brando. The Marlon Brando stuff I loved saying he would fuck anything, the dude didn't care. He said he had an affair with Richard Pryor which Pryor's ex went on to confirm. He said Brando slept with James Baldwin and Marvin Gaye too. Quincy has since gone on a public apology tour for the things he said. The only Marilyn parts I can find now are him refusing to go on a date with her when offered because her breasts looked like pears.

Anyway the Mariyln Monroe part was SO specific. He said the mafia was attempting to blackmail JFK and RFK and wanted Marilyn to wear a wire. She was too nervous and refused to do it. He said they had a doctor inject her with an air bubble in her upper thigh near her vagina when she was passed out after a night of partying. I guess Joe Kennedy had gone to mob boss Sam Giancana for votes for JFK and probably had unpaid debts to them. Quincy also suggested the mafia was behind JFK's death as well.

Quincy also went on to say the Beattles were horrible musicians, that Michael Jackson stole a lot of material and that he was terrified of not sleeping because if he didn't the muses would skip him and give all of their ideas to Prince. Michael Jackson and Prince had a huge musical rivalry.

Quincy is at that age where he doesn't give a fuck. Maybe some dementia thrown in. But a broken clock is right twice a day.

Torby MacDonald was a name from my youth since he was my congressman. He was married to Phyllis Brooks, often called "Brooksie", who went around with Cary Grant a lot in the 30s.

*Former Hollywood actress

R81 This is the story of Garbo's private dinner at the White House (she refused to go to state dinners, or the like). She and JFK contrived to play a joke on Lem Billings. Billings had gotten to know her earlier on a trip to Europe. At the dinner, she pretended for a while to have no recollection of ever having met Billings.

There's a book Jack and Lem written by David Pitts. When Lem died, many of the Kennedy grandchildren were his pallbearers.

[quote]I'll take young Nixon.

You can have him.

I wish more handsome presidents would have gay lover side pieces. It would definitely make the boring documentaries they always make much more fun!

For all intents and purposes, young Ronald Reagan wasn't bad looking. And the fact that he married Hollywood's Throat GOAT of all time leads me to believe it was a marriage of convenience rather than actual love.

Nancy the slut was pregnant when Reagan married her.

[quote] I guess Joe Kennedy had gone to mob boss Sam Giancana for votes for JFK and probably had unpaid debts to them.

I wouldn't rule out all of Quincy's recollections. Sinatra's longtime valet wrote a highly entertaining book about his years with his boss, it's a hoot if you can get ahold of it (we had a thread about it here on DL). In it, he firmly stated his belief, and repeated Sinatra's, that Giancana and the mob put the hit on JFK due to their bad dealings with Joe Sr., and because of Bobby's interference with their business due to his zealous pursuit of the mafia.

Sinatra knew, from his close friendship with Giancana, that Joe Sr had helped to buy JFK's 1960 election buy throwing $ around in Illinois and other places. There was a large debt there - but one that supposedly JFK and RFK themselves didn't know the whole extent of. Bobby was particularly merciless in his hounding of the Mob. When Joe Sr had his major stroke in late 1961, and could no longer communicate, he lost power over his sons and also his ability to relay the danger to them. It cost them their lives.

^ Cunt wanted so desperately to be moi.

[quote] For all intents and purposes, young Ronald Reagan wasn't bad looking.

Fucking yuck R111. He was one of those men who looked old even when he was young . Walter Matthau had the same issue. Chronic old man face.

lets see you r115

I hope some one tells the Garbo at the White House story. Rarely heard. Except in 3562 DL threads on the Kennedys.

How is that possible moron R116? Let it go Reagan was never hot. Take your grandpa fetish up with yourself.

Reagan looked good when he was older because he looked the same as when he was younger. Def old man face to begin with. So it looks like he never aged.

Jack's pride in his Irish Catholic heritage and Jackie's Francophilia made them very different than the traditional President and First Ladies of WASP Episcopalian/Congregationalist extraction who at best would be Anglophiles.

Joe Sr's stroke was the death knell for John and Robert. They needed him desperately and all he could do was sit and watch them turn everything into disaster. If anyone was hit by karma's big stick it was Joe. He could do nothing but suffer literally in silent anguish.

Joe was a political stage dad. A svengali. He wanted to live out his dream in politics that he blew by being a Nazi sympathizer. When Joe Jr died. He put his aspirations onto his lazy party boy son Jack who had no interest in politics. He paid Jackie to stay married to Jack because he needed a sophisticated wife. He used his organized crime ties to help steal votes. He set everything up to get Jack into the White House and it paid off until that stroke.

…a few months after Jack’s inauguration no less.

R55 - the young Nixon has a serious Bryan Kohberger vibe.

No, R96, not also R95

I can't stand Reagan but of course he was good looking when he was young. He was considered to have an "ideal male physique" back in the early 40s. Back then the ideal male physique was not that of a bodybuilder, like now.

He was not a pretty-boy but he was a handsome, cute young male movie star of those days, and unique, as most of them were, then. Didn't look like anyone else.

Better link?

You really needed to post that pic twice, r127, you abusive cunt?

R128 Remember, your thoughts cause your anger, not the other person - as they say in anger management.

Anyone's thoughts about Ronald Reagan will cause anger, r129. Or they should.

So Nancy was pregnant before she got married? She couldn't just say no?

Patti was born 7 months after the wedding.

If only I had swallowed that load!

Oh, she seemed to enjoy doing that far too much for them to let her continue in Hell...

R122, Very astute analysis.

[quote] When Joe Jr died. He put his aspirations onto his lazy party boy son Jack who had no interest in politics.

R122 I don't think Jack had *no* interest in politics. His family on both sides - grandfathers - were politicians, he was a government major at Harvard where he graduated cum laude. He was not just a "party boy" by the time he ran for Congress. He was a WWII hero.

[quote]Navy and Marine Corps Medal citation. For extremely heroic conduct as Commanding Officer of Motor Torpedo Boat 109 following the collision and sinking of that vessel in the Pacific War area on August 1–2, 1943. Unmindful of personal danger, Lieutenant (then Lieutenant, Junior Grade) Kennedy unhesitatingly braved the difficulties and hazards of darkness to direct rescue operations, swimming many hours to secure aid and food after he had succeeded in getting his crew ashore. His outstanding courage, endurance and leadership contributed to the saving of several lives and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. (James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy)

JFK and Bobby were not born politicians. Their early years as candidates were awkward and cringeworthy.

Teddy, however, was a born politician who played the game well but lacked the intelligence of Jack and Bobby.

But made up for it by his swimming skills.

Regarding the supposition that Rose would have kicked Lem out and possibly disowned Jack if she thought they were lovers, on the basis that she did similar to Kathleen for marrying a (?divorced?) Protestant, overlooks that Kathleen was just a girl. The sons who were the apples of Joe's eyes (initially, Joe Jr and Jack) were surely off-limits to any kind of exile.

Anyone want to guess how many teeth R8 has?

I'll go with six.

Lem actually adored jfk strong smell, to him it was heaven, unwashed pits can often be splendiferous.

Based on the yacht load of drugs JFK survived on, he must have been off-gassing 24/7.

Does anyone think Jackie performed fellatio?

JFK was cut, having undergone a circumcision in 1935 at age 18 due to venereal disease.

then why did his cock smell of cheese bits? according to lem.

R139, Joe Sr. loved the girls too. While Rose refused to go to Kathleen’s funeral, Joe Sr. actually went to the mountainside where Kathleen’s plane crashed to help retrieve her body. Although he really fucked up with Rose the daughter. I wonder if he regretted it afterward. Rose the mother wrote that the results were devastating , that they totally lost their daughter.

Interesting she was so cold regarding Kathleen's death yet she was devastated by Rose. I think I remember reading that she would never forgive Joe Sr for what he did to their daughter.

[r143] no! Hence why Lem was always around.

[quote]But made up for it by his swimming skills.

Bitch!

[quote]R111: "...For all intents and purposes,"

Typed like the illiterate cunt who would type this shit.

What’s illiterate about what you quoted, r150?

Dude, R150, really? You're the type of actual illiterate cunt who would type "For all intensive purposes..."

The daughter's name was Rosemary, not "Rose, the daughter."

Context, doll, at R151. But if you need to quibble, squat yourself before the portion that was quoted and consider your own tolerance for triteness and meaningless babble constructed of cliches and parroting.

Now I suppose you want a cracker, too.

As for R152, she's just a piss-down-her-leg idiot, which you're not. Projection is so ugly, and so pervasive among the intentional porpoises and their gunty ilk.

R154, you're the one who brought the ugly into the thread, the negativity.

Can someone please explain what the hell the last five posts are about? Especially r150? That quote looks ok to me.

And another thread descends into madness and chaos.

Welcome to Datalounge!

One of them thinks Oh, Dear is responsible for content editing. Sorry, dear. We do copy editing only.

I wonder if Lem ever gave JFK a BJ on the Oval Office

R160, That’s disgusting!

It’s only disgusting if you don’t swallow and—somehow!—get it on your dress.

No mess, no stress.

[quote]One of them thinks Oh, Dear is responsible for content editing. Sorry, dear. We do copy editing only.

Fuck that, r159, I'm going back to mimeo.

JFK was lousy as a lover, but I would’ve loved to have been his resident cocksucker like Lem and swallow every time, even though it was probably a two minutes top thing. Still the hottest potus we’ve had.

JFK was not the hottest. He was a drug addled cripple. Far from his golden boy years.

OP, The Kennedys were not that liberal. Papa Joe hated blacks and Jews.

Lol @ “for all intensive purposes”.

Has anyone explained to the man who posted this why he’s being derided so? I don’t have the heart.

Or, maybe I am just being mean. 😈😈😈😈

[quote] Papa Joe hated blacks and Jews.

Which in a way is really hilarious because in his youth people still hated the Irish. People really don't learn from the past. As long as there is still someone else who can be hated and excluded, they'll do it.

This should really depress me. But then you have Jack and Bobby, and they were apparently comparatively inclusive and open minded.

Italians and Jews get a bad rep for racism against blacks but Irish were way worse. Italians and Jews at least interacted with and befriended black people and had business relations. The Irish did everything possible to assimilate into whiteness and became the biggest bigots.

NONE of the Kennedy children were racist. That’s what matters. John, Robert and Ted were as far from a racist as you could get. Who cares if their old, 19th century bootlegging gangster of a father hated black people? I’d be surprised if he didn’t!

[quote]That was one of the reasons Old Joe demanded Jack get married before running for Congress.

You might check your calendar, mate.

JFK was first elected to the House of Representatives in 1946, and didn't marry Jackie until 1953, almost a year after he won his Massachusetts Senate seat.

R171, Actually, Jackie was JFK’s second wife. He had impulsively wed one of his girlfriends, but Joe found her unsuitable, had the marriage annulled and all records of the wedding/marriage destroyed.

“Over 50 years after his death, reports suggest JFK was married before Jackie. Sources say, in 1947, a drunk JFK married socialite Durie Malcolm with the aid of a justice of the peace. Kenndy's father, Joe Kennedy, had a virtual 'hemorrhage' after learning of the secret nuptials.”

R172 Well I'll be. I finally learned a new factoid on one of the 4786 DL threads on the Kennedys which repeat all the old stuff. Thanks!

[quote] Actually, Jackie was JFK’s second wife. He had impulsively wed one of his girlfriends, but Joe found her unsuitable, had the marriage annulled and all records of the wedding/marriage destroyed.

How did YOU know about the first marriage, you know, with all records destroyed?

R175, It was known among family, friends and associates.

People talk, and it’s been printed in more than one JFK biography.

I thought it was common knowledge that Jack had a short-lived marriage to another woman prior to Jackie. I think she was Protestant or Jewish too which to a diehard Catholic is practically a different race. Joe was extremely pissed and had it annulled ASAP.

R103, scrubbed from the internet? Just search quincy jones vulture--- and there it is.

R173, Durie Malcolm, the first Mrs. John F. Kennedy.

Where is the info that Lem ever took care of Jack that way?

I’m willing to believe it, I’d just like to see some receipts

Durie dodged a bullet…as well as infinite shots of penicillin.

R180, Have you been living in a cave?

I always found intriguing the rumor about the 80s when Rudolf Nureyev was allegedly fucking RFK, who allegedly blew him in a phone booth once, and also Jackie who some have speculated he infected with HIV.

Allegedly.

R178 That isn't the entire thing. There are key things I remember him saying that I don't read there. One being the Marilyn death stuff. She isn't even mentioned in this one. And two the Michael being terrified to sleep because Prince would get all the muse stuff. Maybe it was more than just the Vulture interview. He did GQ as well. But he was dropping a lot of tea in promotion of a book I guess.

So first it was scrubbed from the internet. Now you might have read it somewhere else.

[quote]Which in a way is really hilarious because in his youth people still hated the Irish.

The Irish were arguably the most hated immigrant group in American history, even more than Italians and Eastern European Jews. It's hard to comprehend today how despised the Irish were.

In the 1940s JFK had a mad romance with Gene Tierney. He was in love with her and wanted to marry her, but Joe Sr. forbid it because he considered Tierney to be an unsuitable spouse for JFK, and would hamper the political ambitions Joe Sr. had for his son.

Conversely, the best thing that could happen to a politician in today's world would be having a gorgeous movie star as his wife. It would make him enormously popular and electable. Funny how times change.

The Irish were extremely hated and came over as prisoners, indentured servants or fleeing the Famine. The Caribbean has many Irish descendents especially in Jamaica and Barbados. Irish took similar jobs to blacks like farm workers and domestic servants, many poor Southerners descend from poor Irish especially in Louisiana and the Carolinas. The different was the Irish were extremely pale and many with blue eyes, it looked stupid to not consider them white, many just changed their names and adapted an Anglo-American accent and blended in. The British elite came up with "Black Irish" as an exonym to equate dark-haired, dark-eyed Irish with black people. They came up with portraits of Irish often next to black people to resemble apes. Irish Americans had to develop an extremely anti-black attitude to distance themselves from black neighbors. They led violent riots against blacks for black men being hired at a better rate than them or when blacks send their children to Catholic schools. Many became employed as police officers and gave the police the stereotype of going after black men. Joe Sr's attitude was of the time, he had an inferiority complex to the WASPs and many WASPs at the time didn't consider people like the Kennedys as white or equal.

[quote]Did Jackie watch ?

Jack said that I was far better at worshipping his cock than Jackie.

And those weird lizard eyes of her, looking in opposite directions while she was sucking, always weirded him out anyway!

Onassis wanted Jackie to do anal but she refused. He went to Maria Callas for that.

JFK also dated June Allyson, when he was single, I believe.

So where ARE the reciepts about Lem Billings supposedly servicing Jack? Other than in cheesy, gossipy books?

[quote]So where ARE the reciepts about Lem Billings supposedly servicing Jack?

I think they're are videos on Jack's phone.

For years after the assassination, Truman Capote said that Lem was boasting in NYC bars that he gave JFK a blow job shortly before he and Jackie left for Texas.

[quote]JFK also dated June Allyson, when he was single, I believe.

JFK broke up with June because she couldn't stop shitting her pants. June was heartbroken, but she rebounded with Danny Thomas.

R194, why'd she keep shitting her pants?

Is there any video/audio where we can hear Lem's voice? I have always been curious to hear it.

Anyone hear it before and what'd it sound like?

[quote] Why'd she keep shitting her pants?

R195 Depends. . .

R192 In other words, no receipts. Bitchiness as a substitute for information.

You’re incredibly stupid, R198.

Did Lem get to take out his own dick and jerk off when he was servicing JFK. I assume that was a given when they were teens but what about later? Did Lem ever have sex with anyone? Just oral service to a "straight man"?

[quote]JFK also dated June Allyson, when he was single, I believe.

Thank heaven we didn't get that simpering no-talent as our FLOTUS.

JFK was partial to blonde playmates.

Angie Dickinson, Janet Leigh, Lee Remick, etc.

Well then, I believe Capote. He never fabricated anything.

Lem was one of many, many people who effectively (and voluntarily) gave up their own lives to run around after the Kennedys.

Yeah, sad. It was a different time though, and America seemed the center of the world and a president seemed like a blindingly powerful leader, and more. Power, glamour. Did Lem live in the White House? He probably thought it was a fairy tale. (in more ways then one).

Lem was probably salivating over all of those hunky Secret Service agents. Like a kid in a candy store.

RFK was a mensch . He adored his children was passionate about justice and supported Israel.

Oh my.

I wonder if Lem ever rimmed JFK.

" Mr. Billings has been our houseguest since our honeymoon"... Jacqueline Kennedy

Lem doesn't do it for me. Did JFK keep him around because he would never feel inferior to Lem in the looks department.?

Many good-looking guys have ugly friends. I don't think it's like with female groups where they want an uglier girl to make them standout to guys.

What's R208 supposed to be?

R201 Yeah Jackie was really talented, and she had that little girl voice.

Btw why do people say June Allyson was simpering? Half the time was hollering or throwing a baseball, or something.

R214, The rumor in Hollywood for years was that June Allyson was a nymphomaniac.

To R27 Kathleen husband Billy Cavendish (1st son of the Duke of Devonshire) was killed 6 weeks after marrying Kathleen Kennedy. She was officially. The Marchioness of Hartington& had her husband lived, would have become the Duchess of Devonshire. She was killed in 1948 with her lover the 8th Earl Fitswilliam, very very rich English Earl while flying to the South of France to meet her father,Ambassdor Kennedy. Buried beside her beloved Billy in his family plot in Derbyshire.

Chatsworth is in a beautiful part of England, the Derbyshire Dales.

Wow she lived at Chatsworth? I had forgotten all about her brief and socially brilliant life.

If we believe Louis Bayard's book (and I'm guessing he did a great deal of research), Billings was deeply closeted and used by JFK to babysit Jackie during their courtship while he fucked around. The two became close friends. Billings warned her what kind of randy cad she was going to marry, and she entered the union with open eyes. That may be total fiction, but it rings true.

The entire coterie was toxic, including Lem. Godawful people.

R219, Jackie’s father, Black Jack Bouvier, was also a randy cad.

We can see where Jackie got her widely spaced out eyes and large cranium from in r221 s photo.

Can you imagine First Lady Gene Tierney?!

Gene knew her relationship with JFK would not lead to marriage because she was not Catholic.

R215 Only if you could calm her down.

R223 In 1962 with Henry Fonda (she had a small role in Advise And Consent, starring Fonda).

One of Gene’s first roles after her breakdown. Wasn’t the other one TOYS IN THE ATTIC?

R227 I think so, yes.

Gene was billed seventh in “The Pleasure Seekers” in 1964.

R229 "Guest Star: Gene Tierney" is considered special billing.

R230, Her name still appears in seventh place, and could the words “guest star” be any smaller?

R231 The poster doesn't really matter, it's the actual credits that count.

The point is, you can't use standard billing order when an actor gets a special solo screen credit, because they usually come near the end. Tierney and Brian Keith were names, they just played smaller roles in the movie. If she was truly forgotten she would have been lumped under "with".

Here are the credits:

Lem dated George Santos?

If George says so…

George says he dated JFK jr and would dress as Gene Tierney because John John wanted to know what it was like for his father.

JON JON used to dress like mommy to know what it felt to have Onasiss' big thick cock up in her.

Onasiss? Ohnassty!

[quote]JON JON

Oh, dear!

His asshole did not taste like Dubai cheese mold.

Why does this outré homosexuals breath smell like my groom's bite?

his asshole tasted like jackie oh's hair brush.

Jackie was busy dealing with Nureyev, lucky lady she was

Oh come now.

I had always read that Lem Billings’ voice was high pitched and effeminate.

Indeed, it was.

A great thread ruined by the troll tag. Someone else should re-create it.