The full transcript of tongiht's 60 minutes talk between Prince Harry and Anderson Cooper

Anderson's about as good as Oprah at the follow up.

This guy is the biggest crybaby. Honestly. Your Dad asked you how your wife was going to support herself? Legit question. That was Daddys fancy way of saying HE didn't want to pick up the tab for her shopping. They won't talk to you now? Who the fuck wants to talk to someone repeating their every word? Wimp.

I don’t understand what he wants out of all this. If it’s just attention, does he not realize that eventually people will get sick of hearing him badmouth his family? Then what?

Harry and Megan........I call them Half-Wit and Manly.

He’s such an angry asshole. He could barely contain his rage in that interview. Anderson looked so disgusted.

Duke and Duchess of KARENS.....They WILL be heard. They DO have complaints.....The "tragedy" of inheriting 10 million from Princess Diana and "fleeing their country"....yawn....

R6 don’t forget the $100 million from Netflix. They are still so angry and wounded with their MILLIONS.

Truly wild.

The English made Anderson look like Oprah. It is interesting how short the 60 Minutes interview was.

I know living with that level of media attentions since birth must be difficult, but his total rage-filled obsession with the press is literally eating him alive. He needs to up his therapy or something. He sees every single thing in his life, every area and issue re his family, related to press coverage and media intrusion. Usually unfavorably.

I thought the whole "premise" of moving to America was to be happy? Mission UNaccomplished.

And the "wicked stepmother" bit. Come on - he was twenty-one when his father married Camilla, and out on his own. Not a little boy sent to bed without dinner every night and dressed in rags like a male Cinderella. Wtf? It just had me scratching my head.

I’ve never seen a famous person give this much credit to the tabloids. He ends up legitimizing them by giving them so much power - he must have said the word tabloids 20 times during that 60 minutes interview.

Granted I’m an ignorant American, but is it normal for British celebrities to be this fixated on and obsessed with tabloid coverage?

Wow! I’m sure Kate smoked a Virginia Slim after this interview aired

r9 But even on the issue of the media he is inconsistent.They were paying top PR firm Sunshine Sachs to keep them reported on a certain number of times per week in the british press and media more widely.

Why is it ok for him and Meghan to brief Omid Scobie behind the scenes for his book against her sister Samantha Markle even slut shaming her? Why is that any better than the briefing he accuses others of doing? There is NO WAY he and Meghan have not leaked stuff to the media.He is just peeved that pehaps he was beaten at his own game.g

Pray for the Millionaires. Clearly some of them are struggling in their mansions. Shallow lives can be so difficult.

He won;t admit in interviews he and Meghan leak things to Scobie, even though they had to admit it in court.

But Anderson Cooper was too afraid to ask him any follow-up questions. Some journalist.

Whooo boy.

That stuff about re-litigating the cause of the death of Diana.

Harry is still so immature. Markle has on her hands 3 children, not two.

True, the paparazzi was chasing their car.

But the direct cause of Diana's death was her heart and brain stopped functioning. The malfunction was caused by blunt force trauma to her body. The force that caused the blunt force trauma was pure physics. A human body has very little chance of being unscathed when the thing you're in that's moving, impacts with an unmovable force, namely, car meets concrete.

And all exacerbated by the fact that there was no harness, also known as a "seat belt", to counteract Diana's still moving body which met the immovable force of heavy front seats.

What a terrible, heartbreaking thing to have happened to Diana and the grief of her sons.

But, if Harry is like most adults, one day, in his maturity, perhaps his 40s, the clouds will part, and he'll experience that glorious knowledge that our parents had both assets and flaws. She wasn't wearing a seat belt. The paparazzi were not drunk and driving that car.

Diana, that extraordinary woman, was killed in an ordinary, garden-variety drunk driving accident.

This was a much less revealing interview than the Bradby interview.

Why were there no follow-up questions?

Drag them, Harry...they deserve it. Now you can let it go and do something else.

The quoted text at the beginning makes no sense. Why would Camilla undermining Harry and Meghan improve her reputation? What were these rehabilitative undermining leaks? He clearly states that he and William opposed the marriage and exhibited long standing resentment against her.

Does anyone here think he's going to commit suicide eventually?

[quote]Drag them, Harry...they deserve it. Now you can let it go and do something else.

What on earth could that imbecile do?

He could solve the world's climate change problems, r23.

He knows he comes from a rotten-egg family. He knows them better than anyone here does.

William and his rabbit-faced wife can both go to HELL!!

He’s not a great advertisement for therapy. Seems more miserable than ever.

If he’d gone after Camilla without attacking William & Kate, it would have been hugely damaging to her, but he has been so indiscriminate in his aggrieved malice that it really will have little effect. If anything, it makes her truly seem like one of the family,

R25, if so, he is as rotten as the worst of them and as far as a wife’s looks, well….

That's because William is rotten. Rotten, spoiled, putrid eggs, the lot of them. Harry knows that the only cure is distance.

Who do we have that's tough enough to do a decent interview of this idiot? Howard Stern?

This has made me think we Americans are such mealy mouthed suckups.

I just remembered - Stephen Colbert has a chance, unless Harry backs out.

He has “angry drunk” energy.

[quote] Who do we have that's tough enough to do a decent interview of this idiot?

Michael Thtrahan! That'th who. He'th alwayth thertain to athk all the toughetht questionth!

Face it, there are plenty of people (including about half my family) who are only happy when they are miserable. They thrive on manufactured drama, perceived slights, endless litanies of woe and misfortune and just being petty, vengeful fucks.

If I didn’t know better I’d swear Harry’s “real father” was some ragey Italian-American from the Tri-State Area.

I think he is a difficult person to interview because he is a volatile mixture of petulance, entitlement, vulnerability and stupidity. How would he react to tough questions? -

Even Bradby backed off because Harry seemed so angry and uncomprehending. He understands very little, but has been taught that none of his problems or failings are his fault. That’s enough to make him self-righteous, but it’s not sufficient to make him happy.

Who was Harry's aunt who told him and spend time alone with the Queen's corpse? He doesn't say whether it was Anne or Sophie, and I could see either of them having the authority in the family to say that (given that the Queen was closer to Sophie than she was to her children, and everyone respected her for it because they all supposedly like Sophie).

r27 in onto something. He just goes after everyone and everybody he's seemingly every met, indiscriminately. It just neuters the impact of his angry declarations. Is there anyone in his family or royal circle who didn't upset or enrage him?

His father; 'wicked' stepmother; 'archnemeses' brother; meek yet testy SIL; ineffectual dotty grandmother; her vicious pit bull personal dresser, Angela Kelly; 'sex crime' committer Uncle Andrew; stone-faced hag Aunt Margaret; parking-space hog/window blocker Mr. R (at KP); the matrons at his childhood prep school; nearly all of his own staff at KP; every royal courtier; every member of the press and media; the paparazzi.

No one escapes his wrath!

[italic]I[/italic] do, r37!

Anderson Cooper interviews like he bottoms. Not that great. Now you know why Andersons CNN ratings have sank into the sewer.

Another thing that I always notice is that he seems to think he is the entitled grandchild of QE II rather than just one of eight and their spouses. He alone had private time to commune with her corpse.

Cooper is really, by a large margin, the weakest of the 60 Minutes correspondents.

After this interview, when Harry enters a room everyone will be like:

Harry has arrived...... I thought I smelled gin and regret

I wonder how much more he can attack the RF after this.

I suspect he is narcissistic enough that he will fully expect his father/brother to grovel to him now. And when that doesn’t happen, it will be interesting/frightening to see where his fury vents next.

Congratulations Harry. You have destroyed the Harkle brand.

Not only have you lost the Taliban and Don Lemon, but some on LSA are now predicting your divorce.

I'm going to tell you about how horribly i can possibly construe every single time my father and brother have spoken to me on the last five years!

And, can you believe it: they for some reason will not open communication with me right now! They treat me as if they somehow don't trust me! How unfair is that!?

[quote] Now you can let it go and do something else.

Chance would be a fine thing, R20, wouldn't it?

[quote] Why would Camilla undermining Harry and Meghan improve her reputation?

Have you not read any of these threads?

Most people interested in the royals are treating the whole thing like a competition, i.e. which royal is a better person. The royals distract from their own problems and from larger problems within their little industry by throwing others under the bus.

Further, we know that the tabloids publish positive pieces about the royals who cooperate with them, and negative pieces about those who don't.

It's really a simple concept and I feel like anyone who acts confused or as if they're in disbelief is doing it for performative reasons, not because they truly don't understand what's going on here.

Listening to Harry drone on and on gives new meaning to the phrase, "bore on the floor".

[quote]Harry seemed so angry and uncomprehending

Most of the men in that family seem the same to me, honestly, and some of the women as well. It's an angry family. Charles's anger manifests as petulance, William has been visibly angry for years now, Andrew's anger comes across as astonishment that people aren't believing his lies and kowtowing to him because of who he is. Philip seemed put out at all times. Anne is responsible and hard-working but also seems like she hates pretty much everyone. Margaret also hated everyone but was also spoiled and self-centered.

The royal family needs approachable, pleasant people in their ranks, but they keep screwing them over. Fergie was seen as fun at first, until she got thrown under the bus. Diana was fresh and young and pleasant, and got thrown under the bus.

One of the things that always bothered me was how hard they all came down on Sophie just because her skeeze of an ex-boyfriend published that topless photo of her to make a quick buck. She seems a bit stuffy and easily irritated these days, but she's one of the most approachable royals, also hard working, and the royals are always going to keep her on a lower tier because of her "scandal" and not being quite the right kind of person.

The Queen, who really held that family together, reportedly said that at least Sophie makes Edward happy, and I just think it's sad that THAT was her opinion of her AND that she had to say something like that to get the family to grudgingly accept Sophie, when Sophie hadn't done anything wrong.

I don't know much about Kate but I do know she seemed a lot nicer and more relaxed a decade ago than she does now, she's nothing but a bag of bones covered in dry skin and propelled by rage these days. Camilla is the same, although also fueled by cigarettes and gin.

I get being put off by Harry being angry, but I don't see why you're not also put off by everyone else's anger.

Should probably add at r49 that it seemed like the Queen warmed up to Sophie who was one of her closest family members after a while. I also suspect Sophie and Edward both are going to get iced out of the royal family now that the Queen is gone, if they haven't been already.

Will Harry be on WWHL next week? Wednesday is shotski night and Megs can be guest bartender!

R49, pretending as if she's not a Harkle fan.

R22, I'm honestly concerned that this is where it'll head eventually. He is trashing everyone, breaching confidences, and all for money and revenge for perceived petty slights. No one will ever trust him again. By trashing Andrew (not that he's an innocent), he's lost Eugenie. Does he have anyone in his life besides Meghan and the kids? I have no doubt that now that he's spilled all the beans he won't be useful to Meghan anymore. Her upcoming memoir will be much more valuable if she divorces him and add the divorce chapter to the "Royal Family bad" chapters.

Prince Harry talks to Diana, and thinks that she 'answers' him or otherwise guides him.

He's completely untethered from reality.

I have no interest in this person or his issues.

Don't make it sound so ridiculous, r54.

He absolutely does not talk to his mother Diana. That would be insane.

Rather, he talks to a box of her hair.

In all of British history, point out one royal family that wasn't mad as fucking hatters.

r47 I think the phrase" we know that" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.Conjecture.

r49 Didnt Diana and Fergie throw themselves under the bus to a large extent?? I feel you are massively oversimplifying the history in order to fit a narrative.

When they divorce, I hope he has at least one family member who is still willing to take his calls.

He’ll need them when Meghan turns on him.

The Wesexes knew the writing was on the wall when Chuck announced he was keeping the Duchy of Edinburgh for Charlotte.

Edward and Sophie are Charlotte's first drawn blood...

And there comes a point when silence is betrayal.

Silence is betrayal.

Silence is betrayal.

Just like Trump and the 187 missing minutes.

Silence IS Betrayal

Harry seems pretty angry. I guess he's not getting the positive attention for being a spoiled crybaby, that he and his wife thinks they're entitled to. Its hard to feel sorry for people who feel so sorry for themselves.

Harry's image feels like it's at a tipping point, but Anderson's not the type to press it. He's not bold enough to take a side unless the public perception is already clear (and the American audience seems split). AC doesn't seek controversy.

So now they are not racist??? And he defended that hag that was fired for being a racist???

Honestly these people are all so ridiculous and way too old to be acting like this.

Harry the dumbo took control of that interview. Anderson Cooper should go to journalism school.

Someone like Bob Costas (who cross-examined Jerry Sandusky) would have been better. Why are these “journalists” so weak.

I'm not for William either, but Harry did not need to include that part about how his brother is balding and looking less like Diana every year. That sounds like something WE would say, lol.

R22 I think his family has concerns about him taking his life. Just my opinion. He appears delusional and unhinged. He repeatedly denies reality. When Meghan leaves him with the kids that might be the result. Can you imagine his father watching him unraveling on the public stage?

I don’t care about this guy, his brother, his Hollywood-lite wife, his dowdy sister in law, or king tampon. Why are we so obsessed with these specimens?

I’d like to put them all on a rocket and send them to the moon.

Same here, R68!

R67, he already has unravelled. The inhumane Taliban body count was just the beginning, and arguably his worst revelation.

But he has also in the book gleefully recalled making his school friends laugh by mimicking someone in pain and differently-abled. That and the unbelievable Taliban comments should have him removed from anything to do with Invictus Games, veterans, even Wellchild, etc.

In the Bradby interview he said: I refer to it as post-traumatic stress injury because I don’t, I’m not a person with a disorder. I know I’m not.

There goes anything to do with mental health and he will alienate the portion of the population with ANY kind of disorder. Which is what a lot of conditions are. Plus, he may as well have denied being ginger. If he's doing the physical-based therapy for trauma as displayed to Oprah on apple+, he has PTSD.

Add in all the snipes against his family, blaming the press for his mother's death (she was a fool not to allow her photo be taken), claiming in the Bradby interview that the press makes things worse for the average person in the UK - um, how? - many TMI snippets concerning his "todger" and receiving communications from Diana, he is finished.

Breathlessly recounting how William attacked him but casually mentioning he got violent with his security detail after re-enacting the Paris tunnel ride proves his obsession with his own hurts and that he holds little care for what he inflicts on others. He is in a very bad way to expose his self-pity, obsessions, hatreds and hypocrisies willingly to the world.

I can only guess Scobie and Kaiser are twisting and turning like pretzels to make all this Catherine's fault. It will be funny to see what BS is being peddled by them.

This must be so difficult for the Windsors AND the Markles, Raglands, etc. Excepting Doria and MM, of course.

He is NOT a well man and his conduct is not that of an adult, a gentleman, never mind a prince.

Even if she pushed him to all this, Markle should leave now and he only have well-supervised access to the kids. He is one big mess.

#TeamHarry

He was never going to be able to say what you twats want to hear, so I’m glad he told the truth.

R67:

You’re delusional. You made up every word of that post in your own head. And we’re supposed to think that Harry is the one with mental problems?

I just want to see the frontal nudes.

Which ex or posh boarding schoolmate will leak them?

I'll pay!

If Harry is angry with the press...

..he should stop giving interviews to the press.

That's dumb, R75.

Then he wouldn't have even a remote chance or seeing the change he wants to see—the whole reason he's doing this.

I've got a bridge to sell you, R76

You really believe he actually has a constructive vision of how he wishes the media to be and a productive strategy of how to move things in that direction, r76? The media is just his excuse.

You think he doesn't want to prevent other people in the monarchy from being chased to their deaths, R77? No.

Dutchie/R77, are you actually a resident of the Netherlands?

[quote]Who do we have that's tough enough to do a decent interview of this idiot? Howard Stern?

Yeah, if you're interested in hearing a 60-something man-child ask Harry whose boobs or rear-end he likes to look at most, his wife's or Kate's. Howard's not tough, he's gross and pathetic.

Dutchie, your press should convince Princess Amalia to stop eating a horse's rations three times a day on the public dime.

R49/r50 = American who has no idea what the royal family is in the UK.

This kid was going to get annihilated for any choice he made.

If he married blonde Cassidy Whatever as he was expected to do, he would have been excoriated in the press for wasting the taxpayers' money. So he would have been cut off anyway in Charles' "slimming" of the monarchy.

So he married someone who offered the "modernization," "diversity" and "eye to the future" every poll and journalist said the British public craved from the monarchy.

And—shock—the British public turned out to be the same old cretinous racists they've always been. See Brexit. And he had to put up with endless shit from the Palace and the public.

I don't blame him for fleeing to the US.

R80 = R82 = R84

Complete loon and Megstan, filling the thread all by herself; defending one royal but shitting on another..

Kid, R84?

for all the fraus who only come to DL for the Harry/MeAgain threads

Oh yes, I am SUCH a loon, Dutchie.

I stand by every (irreverent) question and statement I posed.

No matter what choices Harry made, he would have been trashed in the press. Useless perfect spare wife sucking on the public teat! Useless children of the spare and his perfect wife draining public funds while X million go hungry!

Have they payed the Canadian government the money they owe them now that they have all this money?

Huzzah for Camilla !

The Peoples Queen-Consort

Didn't see the Anderson Cooper interview but did watch the end of the ITV Tom Bradby interview.

- He supports the idea of a monarchy but not the principle that the eldest child's eldest child's eldest child gets more power than the others in the family.

- Harry doesn't acknowledge his extreme wealth privilege. The only reason he's famous is by an accident of birth.

- He seems to think marrying a black woman have redeemed his past racist acts.

- His comments about how the press treated him, his wife and his mother are valid, but they also briefed to the media and the Palace media machine have worked to cover up stories about them.

- He and Meghan clearly want a career in campaigning/philanthropy/altruism but their entire starting base is that he is a member of the British royal family.

Did Harry show Anderson his circumcised cock?

R84 has missed the events of the past week. Hey, r84, check out Harry's interview with Tom Bradby to see what he - and, it seems, Meghan - really think about racism. According to Harry, in every biracial family people wonder what the kids will look like, and that isn't racism.

R93 =

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I'd have liked to see Mike Wallace take a shot at that interview. Now, THAT would have been a great 60 Minutes segment!

R17 - If Diana died from cardiac arrest from the crash impact, Harry should have compared that to the football star Damar Hamlin, who was 24 and a pro athlete. He could have tied the 2 together, maybe worn a '3' on this t-shirt so his trauma (Harry's) was even more relevant.

Any conservative interviewer r30. They've been crucifying those losers ALL OVER the Fox network shows since the documentary came out. I'm sure you can find clips. Of course, they'd never agree to a real hard hitting interview.

Anderson Cooper: meh. He should join Cohen on WWHL.

[quote]Anderson Cooper interviews like he bottoms. Not that great. Now you know why Andersons CNN ratings have sank into the sewer.

I was just thinking it was an indication of how low 60 Minutes has sunk. Clearly, these were the terms Harry's team negotiated - no tough questions, no questions period, just let him do his thing & everyone gets paid. But that's entertainment, not journalism. I didn't think it was possible, but I kind of feel embarrassed for Coop for being such a shill. Big O at has an excuse - I don't know that she was ever (well maybe in her younger days) a serious journalist & Megs supports a certain kind of narrative that O loves to promote. But Coop has everything, yet he's no better or different than Ryan Seacrest

All of the critics of tonight's interview—there are tons of posts accusing Anderson of doing a softball job and not getting anything of substance.

Then the accusations of Harry being horrifically indiscreet took over.

Which is it? Pick your position.

R101, it is perfectly possible that Harry was horrifically indiscreet, but that his indiscretions and judgments were not challenged by those who interviewed him.

What substance is there to his indiscretions, if their credibility is not tested by the interviewers? Here in the UK,Bradby tried to challenge Harry on the “Racist Royal Family” narrative from the Oprah interview, but he ultimately backed down very fast and left Harry to pontificate on what is and isn’t racism. Cos he’s an expert! 🙄😂

R101, are you really this dense? Harry blabbing about the personal matters of members of the royal family, e.g. William going bald, is not the same as being asked challenging questions.

This would be a perfect time to divorce him, while they have the book $$$ and the Netflix $$$.

And he looks seriously petty, dim and unhinged: a lethal combination. She should end it now.

Harry’s PR people would not have been able to negotiate terms with 60 Minutes. They never agree to any conditions. Never.

But we shouldn’t have expected Anderson to call out a product of privilege.

The person who's most damaged by this saga is Meghan, r104. She's been trying to build a brand as an anti-racism social justice activist, part of the "progressive" celebrity network, who's all about mental wellness and speaks out against media injustice, and Harry's just blown all that up in her face.

She must have been horrified, not only when Harry said the alleged question about Archie's skin colour is not racist, but when he made sure to say "Meghan and I both love Lady Hussey and Meghan thinks she's great" - Lady Hussey being the Queen's lady-in-waiting who allegedly asked Ngozi Fulani where she is from.

With all his ridiculous personal revelations not just about himself and his family but his apparent friends, no one will now want to tell him anything. He's obviously not mentally well and his attempts to blame the tabloids for his behaviour are sounding increasingly desperate, especially when he's selectively using friendly media to push out his own narrative and Meghan admitted in court to leaking to the media. Add to that people like Jacinda Ardern distancing themselves from her and Nelson Mandela's grandchildren criticising them, and this really isn't going well for Meghan.

nah, going from a c-list actress to one of the most talked about people in the world with multi-millions of dollars and kids that are royalty.

she's surely upset and distressed.

R107, on the other hand, it gives her ample grounds for divorce. Though god knows why anyone would believe she married him for love in the first place after all the stupidity on display in the book.

The media strategy in the US is interesting--heavy focus on Diana, her death, his boyhood trauma, his soldiering, bad Camilla. All topics their PR (now just Meghan?) would assume would land well in the US.

I wonder how Colbert will approach him. Harry can't come out all traumatized and glowering like in these last 2 interviews, but he also can't be playing some silly chat-show game after almost a week of scorched earth?

R108, her kids are estranged from their royal relatives and she's basically dead as the kind of social justice celebrity she wanted to be.

Harry just totally destroyed Meghan's greatest argument - the question about Archie's colour - and made sure to say that Meghan loves Lady Hussey - supposedly a crusty, white, snobby racist British aristocrat - and thinks she's great. I can imagine Harry and Meghan had lots of arguments over these alleged incidents of racism and he wanted to make sure that his narrative is the one out there.

What people don't get is that Harry and Meghan have signed contracts worth upwards of 140 million dollars. They HAVE to deliver the good. They will be talking about everything all of the time from now on. With these deals Harry might be worth more than William.

As someone who can’t stand Markle, I have to say, Harry has done her a real service. He’s coming off like such an angry, unstable, entitled asshole that now she doesn’t seem that bad at all. She’s just your garden variety narcissistic dumb LA actress. Harry seems much more damaged and disturbed. There’s a reason none of those British women married him. He seems completely erratic, off the rails and not very bright. We are just seeing it for the first time because the royals aren’t protecting him anymore. They successfully made it seem like Megan was the issue here, but the reality seems to be that Harry is the problem and always has been.

I thought Anderson did fine. He let Harry talk himself in rage circles until he was sweating and red in the face and ranting about tabloids like some lunatic on the street.

For him to sit there publicly trashing his entire family, mocking how bald William is, and then say in the next breath “oh yes I love them very much. Oh yes I want them in my life. Yes.”

What the actual fuck?

𝐇𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐥𝐨𝐭𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐔𝐊 𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐥

Prince Harry's popularity among the British public has slumped to an all-time low, a new poll has suggested.

The YouGov survey, undertaken by more than 1,600 adults between January 5 and 6, reveals the duke's net favorability now sits at -38.

Almost two-thirds of those polled (64 per cent) admitted they hold a negative view of the duke, while his support among the 18-24 age group has also fallen to its lowest ever score.

The duke's public feud with Buckingham Palace appears to have also added fuel to the fire, with those reporting negative views up six percentage points since May. Just over a quarter (26 per cent) of those polled view Harry in a positive light.

Harry's popularity hit an all-time high of +70 in 2017, just a year before he wed Meghan Markle at Windsor Castle, according to YouGov.

Public opinion on the duke has consistently slipped over the past six years, with there being more negative polling for Harry than positive since the end of 2021 - the year of his notorious Oprah Winfrey interview.

There was also a marked drop in favourability for Harry since undertaking his media blitz late last year after his bombshell memoir, Spare, was announced.

Support for the duke and his wife, Meghan Markle, dipped last month after they singled out Buckingham Palace for stinging criticism during their six-part Netflix docu-series. TRENDING Harry and Meghan filed 25-page report rebutting bullying claims 17.5k viewing now Prince branded Camilla 'dangerous' and a 'villain' in CBS interview 166.4k viewing now Prince Harry shocks world after requesting private talks with family 24.7k viewing now

The results come ahead of the release of Harry's book Spare, due out on Tuesday, which has sparked a furore, following claims the Prince of Wales physically attacked him.

The King's younger son's net favourability score among 2019 Labour voters is minus seven, while among 18-24-year-olds, the proportion of positive and negative views of him was equal (41%). The results come ahead of the release of Harry's book Spare, due out on Tuesday, which has sparked a furore, following claims the Prince of Wales physically attacked him

The results come ahead of the release of Harry's book Spare, due out on Tuesday, which has sparked a furore, following claims the Prince of Wales physically attacked him

Meghan still has a positive net favourability score of 10 among 18-24-year-olds, but this has dropped from 55 in 2017.

She holds a score of minus 11 among 2019 Labour voters and minus 30 among Remain voters, with minus 81 and minus 72 among 2016 Conservative voters and Leave voters, respectively.

Harry's tell-all-tales in the book include how he killed 25 Taliban members during the Afghanistan war, recounting how he took cocaine and magic mushrooms, and losing his virginity to an older woman in a field behind a pub.

In television interviews, the duke has said he is 'not texting' his brother, described the Queen Consort as 'the villain' and criticised 'family members' for a 'really horrible reaction' when the Queen died.

He spoke to ITV presenter Tom Bradby, denying branding the royals racist and accusing his family of 'getting into bed with the devil'.

The YouGov data reveals the duchess has seen her net favourability also fall to its joint-lowest score of -42.

Harry's tell-all-tales in the book include how he killed 25 Taliban members during the Afghanistan war, recounting how he took cocaine and magic mushrooms, and losing his virginity to an older woman in a field behind a pub.

Yup, r104 and r105.

She may want to try to hang in there until Charles dies and leaves Harry a chunk of cash (KC, however, may be huddling right now with his financial advisors and removing Harry's name as a beneficiary) but I think that dough already may be protected from a spouse, or ex-spouse, whoever that would be.

R16- I’d hardly consider him with his $1 million a month salary a true journalist.

Netflix money r104??That's long spent. They got nowhere near that ridiculous amount they claimed.

Kardashians move over! Except this is kind of sad. There’s nothing sad about the K’s.

But she looks even worse r105. So many people on record have stated she's an unstable piece of shit. Not to mention the gloves will be off then, so the duplicitous duo of Rachel and Doris will be in the crosshairs.

R108 whom I suspect is also r112 is incredibly naive. Meghan was much lower than c list. She's not anyone currently with any visibility in the U.S. nor does she have multi millions. Do you believe all her PR? That's sad. Her kids aren't royal either. Please do your research! Once the divorce is announced, all the dirt gets released. Including how she was his paid booty call from SoHO house. Don't forget Doria's Loving Kindness scam gets exposed too. No, if she thinks she's bad off now, just wait.

well, wrong in your suspicion.

and probably wrong about the rest of it.

[quote]He seems completely erratic, off the rails and not very bright. We are just seeing it for the first time because the royals aren’t protecting him anymore. They successfully made it seem like Megan was the issue here, but the reality seems to be that Harry is the problem and always has been.

Markle knew exactly who she sunk her claws into. She was savvy LA actress who found a dim witted angry royal she could totally manipulate. The fakery in the first episode of their Netflix documentary where she pretended she "wasn't sure" if this was going to work or not - even though practically by their second date they were sharing a tent in the middle of nowhere together. She wasn't about to let this opportunity go to be globally rich and famous by a long shot. Her "doubts" rang so disingenuous to me. She knew the tabloids killed his mom and all she had to do was become a victim of them to ignite his saviour mentality.

[quote]And he looks seriously petty, dim and unhinged: a lethal combination. She should end it now.

And now if she wanted to, she could frame it as her being the bigger person by bowing out and allowing him to mend fences with his family and regain his title and become the person he was meant to be. "I never meant to come between him and his family." But she wants much more than money. She'd rather be poor and famous than rich and unknown. Anonymity and irrelevance are akin to suicide to her. So she is going to ride this until the wheels fall off.

I doubt someone with Tracy Flick levels of egocentricity is going to wilt under the spotlight of too much attention, bad press. That is what Meghan trained her whole life for. But she could pretend to be driven to deaths door by it to seal the deal with Harry.

I'd bet you money r121. I've been onto her from day one and haven't been wrong yet.

A savvy L.A. actresz??? Haha...omg....haha...ask the people that knew her then. She was anything but!.

I watched the Cooper interview but I didn't really hear much as I was fixated on Harry's head. I was used to the baldness in the back, but the lighting was so strong, that you could see how much balding was happening in the front.

[quote]As someone who can’t stand Markle, I have to say, Harry has done her a real service. He’s coming off like such an angry, unstable, entitled asshole that now she doesn’t seem that bad at all.

Give her time.

And that baldness clearly matters to him, r126, given how much he mentions William’s baldness.

It does make me wonder about him. He seems exceptionally dim and unreflective. If I knew I was going bald, I really wouldn’t be using someone else’s baldness to drag them down.

Literally everyone knows she's the one encouraging his mental struggles. She's batshit herself and both are really obvious.

The 60 Minute interview was dull and not worthy of that show. It basically was an Entertainment Tonight PR interview. I didn't see the ITV one, but have read the interviewer did a fairly good job at pushing back on claims. Anderson Cooper did a poor job.

Oh god…the fat old woman with the dumb “surrogacy” conspiracy theory is back. You were handed your sagging old arse on a plate yesterday and told by multiple people to fuck off…get the message.

Off topic I guess but Charlie at r118, you are absolutely full of it if you're truly saying that there's nothing sad about the Kardashians. That's an astonishingly stupid thing to say.

Harry’s response “What difference would it make?” when asked if they would give up their titles showed how clueless he is.

You could tell he was snookered with the 'dangerous' question because he didn't really explain why that word applied to Camilla, and he couldn't back down by saying "well, I didn't mean it quite like that", because Anderson was quoting from Harry's own book.

Admittedly it was ghost written, but he'd have read it several times and made suggestions on how to change it or approved the text.

Also found it very immature and strange for an adult man (nearly 40 years) to be whining and carrying on about how his father shouldn't have married the woman he's been with for decades.

"But, like, why do they need to get married????"

What are you? An 11 year old girl?

Meghan is without humor...but not without intelligence or a work ethic. She knows he is a train wreck -- and even worse, a lazy, unambitious train wreck. A train that's just moseying down the track waiting for another train to slam into it.

Not sure why more hay isn't made about Harry huffing nitric oxide while she was in labor. That was truly stunning news....particularly since he thought it was an example of what a "fun" couple they are. He's seriously troubled.

Once a coke addict, always a coke addict. He shows the classic behavior of someone who's never stopped using.

R107 Lady Hussey also famously said before H/M's wedding: "This will end in tears."

r60 No such announcement was ever made.

Why wouldn’t he go after Camilla? She’s trash. His father cheated with her the whole time he was married to Diana and it made Diana miserable. She makes the whole family look like trash in their photos together. Oh and Charles deserves every bit of bad publicity.

Oh dear, r131 is ranting from the toilet again. Didn't you feel embarrassed enough yesterday? You should have. Now get your fat smelly fingers off your sad, old, flaccid penis and stop attempting to disrupt this thread.

Flaaaaacccid!

Decrepit clowns in an obsolete circus.

So on CNN this morning Anderson referred to the story as being one of grief... which immediately explained his failure to ask hard questions. Anderson's in grief mode over his mother. His principal failing as a journalist is his inability to set aside what's happening to him and do his job - what's happening to him becomes his job. Grief, parenting, etc. The only thing he never really latched onto as a story was supporting the gay community, funnily enough. But if he's feeling it, watch for his story or podcast or interview or blah blah. Me, me, me. He's Harry, just not as stupid.

he's bald!

she's ugly!

liar! liar! pants on fire!

Even the Guardian has produced a 'get over yourself' editorial.

R144, Anderson also currently hosts a podcast on “grief”.

R144, Gloria Vanderbilt died at 95.

Interesting. I didn't get the grief narrative of that segment. I just thought Anderson looked bored out of his mind and pretty disgusted by the ranting about tabloids. The only time he showed any signs of life was when he asked if William and Harry text each other.

"DO YOU TEXT?"

R145 Sure, Jan. Try getting higher standards if you think they are people to envy. When we have the Wales'??? Oh, my!

you have them both if you like it or not.

[quote]He seems completely erratic, off the rails and not very bright. We are just seeing it for the first time

Oh, this is absolutely untrue. Back when the gossip was normal and not all this idiotic culture wars conspiracy theory bullshit, most of the talk about Harry was that he was dumb. Just a big sexy dumb guy doing dumb things that we loved to read about. The press had consistently painted him as a troubled teen and a hellraiser in his early 20s, then he started finding some purpose in the military, and his reputation improved.

When he was forced out of the military, he was very obviously angry but that was kind of expected, because the military gave him stability (as best we could tell) and also it was the only thing he was good at and cared about. People felt badly for his predicament. Also, the anger didn't surprise anyone because he had a temper, we all knew that from previous gossip.

That's when everything started to go downhill. The friendly "threesome" of him, William and Kate was already showing strain and their outings just ended at that point. He started lashing out in the press. His PR people kept pushing "he has a sexy new beard" (real beard, not fake girlfriend) in the press to try to keep him in the public's good graces.

It was long before Meghan entered the picture, which is why no one here wants to believe it. They want to think this all started with Meghan, but it didn't.

I stand by my theory that the royal family demanded he play the role of the jolly jester to distract from real problems and never even tried to address any of his concerns, while Harry himself was spoiled and unable to do anything productive to solve his own problems, and also not bright enough to figure out how to work the tabloids for his own purposes. All he can do now is tell his side of the story and express his emotions -- mostly anger, some betrayal, some confusion -- and he doesn't really have any concept of how this is going to affect his future.

[quote] Big O at has an excuse - I don't know that she was ever (well maybe in her younger days) a serious journalist

Oprah is capable of doing a good, cross-examining interview. She had attended Harry's & Meghan's wedding and was unable to switch codes for the interview.

Anderson should have followed up his question (giving up Duke / Duchess) titles. Yes, it does matter. If you don't foresee yourself (as Harry said) ever returning to that life and you want to criticize it, then divest.

I think Harry was jealous that William got more of Diana's looks.

On Good Morning America Harry just claimed Diana would be heartbroken at the rift between her sons - I thought he was in constant communication with her, so he ought to know. He's also blaming the BRF again for losing his security protection, seemingly not grasping that it's the government not them that's decided this - except he's suing the government on this very basis. it likes he says any old crap to suit the moment and doesn't expect anyone else to notice. Also, pissing off the Taliban may not be a good move.

I find H & M to be generally narcissistic and entitled but I kind of feel sorry for him. He just doesn't seem to have any sense of inner peace.

[quote] I find H & M to be generally narcissistic and entitled but I kind of feel sorry for him. He just doesn't seem to have any sense of inner peace.

His life is so hard!

MM is a symptom of his larger problems. If he had any sense of emotional stability and inner happiness he would have never married her in the first place.

R152, why was he forced out of the military? Was that coming from the family or the military?

Meghan is demonstrative with her affection. She likes to hold hands, she likes to hug. She likes to talk about feelings. Harry wanted that. Yes, Meghan can be way too much, clingy, high-maintenance. But Harry likes the touchy-feely parts of her personality.

He wasn't forced out of the military, R158. He chose to resign because he couldn't pass the exams necessary to get promoted to colonel and found it humiliating to just stick around at his current level (which was open to him).

r140 He didn't cheat with Camilla all the way through his marriage. Where did you get that from?

The diabetic chess pieces have arrived. They're playing their softly, softly game right now, but it never lasts.

R161, It’s common knowledge that he did.

I think that's a good run down R152, but I'd add to that the end of his long time relationship with Chelsey Davy, who was rich, beautiful & seemed to have the right kind of pedigree for Mrs. Haz. For whatever the circumstances of their break up, she took some not so veiled shots at him and promptly found someone else, indicating that Harry was not the oh so desirable bachelor that the press made him out to be. It seems like not long after that, he became Mr. Third Wheel to the Wills & Kate show. So I agree that Harry's disintegration has been out there for awhile now, it was just masked by other things. And while they did likely want him to play the Jolly Jester for their own purposes, it defected from his own reputation as a hothead & jerk.

“Also, pissing off the Taliban may not be a good move.”

Especially since it’s no secret where they’re living.

If he'd married Chelsea and gone off to do conservation in Africa maybe none of this would have happened. What are the odds he married Markle? What a dupe.

He had a negative breakup with Cressida Bonas as well, if stories are to be believed. She was at his wedding, of course, but I don't think they were fast friends after their split.

Personally, I don't think he's dumb. The best way to assess someone's intelligence, at least on the surface, is to see how they comport themselves in conversation. And he's quite articulate. Maybe he's "dumb" in the sense that he can't read the room and see that people are so sick of the both of them. But otherwise, it seems that his world of cloistered privilege prevents him from having a modicum of common sense about these things.

r163 No it isn't. Pretty much all respec sources and biographies have Charles restarting his relationship with Camilla in 1985. Diana strayed out of the martial bed first too according to many accounts.

R169, There was no need to “restart” a relationship that was never interrupted.

R122 The tabloids didn’t kill Diana. Sadly, she died because she got into a car with a drunk driver and failed to wear her seatbelt.

R160 It was the promotional exam to major. He left the army as Captain Wales. It’s too bad because I think the army gave him a purpose, structure, and stability. However, knowing now how disturbed he is as well as dim, it’s really hard to see him in a legitimate leadership role.

Camilla is the sanest member of the Royal Family.

R168, I have had conversations with a couple of royals (Prince Edward and the Duke of Gloucester) - they were both perfectly, pleasant, confident and articulate but it didn't seem to register that they were talking to people who knew way more than they did about the subjects being discussed (which should have been plainly obvious, given the specific events and places). They both lacked social intelligence. Harry certainly gives no sense of being able to read an audience or be self-aware in any meaningful way.

[quote] I have had conversations with a couple of royals (Prince Edward and the Duke of Gloucester) - they were both perfectly, pleasant, confident and articulate but it didn't seem to register that they were talking to people who knew way more than they did about the subjects being discussed (which should have been plainly obvious, given the specific events and places).

So, you're telling us that they somehow did not somehow recognize your intellectual superiority, r174? How impossible to imagine!

DEADLINE: Prince Harry courted about 10.52M U.S. viewers for his sit down with Anderson Cooper for 60 Minutes on Sunday, according to early Nielsen data.

The preliminary number can certainly be seen as a win for CBS and for 60 Minutes, which was up 16% from its season-to-date average. But it pales in comparison to the 17.1M people who watched the live broadcast of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle‘s tell-all with Oprah Winfrey.

In the interview, Harry said that the "tabloids" are laid out to read, every day, for the royal family. Sounds like Downton Abbey, where the servants iron the newspapers.

Anyway, I found that interesting.

But remember r177, he probably sees no distinction between the tabloids and respectable papers. To him, the Telegraph is like a "tabloid".

Though I would bet that the royals probably read the Mail or Sun on occasion.

Now I think on it, I bet Anderson went soft on Harry so he could reel him for a guest slot on his griefapolooza poddy.

He seems stuck in his childhood issues and in need of better therapy. A wife and children does not a grown man make, at least not automatically.

He reminds me of someone in their twenties going through therapy for the first time, when they're filled with never-ending recriminations (some real, some petty) against family members.

Except he's of course far older than that.

It was a celebrity interview, not a political interview.

Of course, Cooper threw him softball questions.

It was the Harry against the BRF News machine.

It was good on all counts.

R174, what exactly were these encounters that you had with Prince Edward and the Duke of Gloucester where you were discussing some specialist subject in depth?

Harry is articulate, r168, because he's had a top-class education and is "well bred". That doesn't mean he can analyse situations and assess what the best thing to do is.

Harry is a mean girl.

R175 and R183, were you not able to infer that the person most likely had those encounters during official visits or similar? The royals were probably there to discuss the sort of work our poster performs, thus his expertise, which they ignored.

He probably doesn't dare go after Zara or Mike Tindall, Mike would kick his ass

Did he condemn his Uncle Andy?

Who knows, r186, that poster wasn't clear at all. Even if Prince Edward or the Duke of Gloucester visited that poster's place of work and he was selected to explain the work to them, the conversation would not have got that in depth. Perhaps the poster could explain further. Otherwise, what I'll infer is that the poster is unable to explain his work in simple terms and instead tries to drive polite chat with a stranger in a convoluted direction.

I’m not 175, but I know that Prince Edward was involved in documentary production for awhile in the 90s/00s - he could easily have been blind to his lack of production & post savvy from actual experience while interfacing with other more seasoned crew members on shooting or editing a particular production.

It may not be brain surgery, but newbie producers can vocalize lots of less than helpful ideas. I have a friend who took a meeting with HRH back then; nice enough fellow but not particularly talented.

Harry used to play Gronk to William's Tom Brady. Only now people are realizing Harry was never actually that happy go lucky guy.

Ok, R189, Edward opened an exhibition I was part of and was expounding about history to a group of expert historians. Gloucester I have met repeatedly as he used to have an ongoing relationship to my specific group of colleagues. Happy?

alternate theory: our resident expert bored them to sobs.

And another interesting thing I want to tell you, Your Royal Highness....

What was the exhibition about, r192? What was Edward so inexpertly expounding on?

What, you want my fucking cv as well, R195?

You sure seem like the kind of person anyone would want to listen t5o.

Please remind me if H & M got married in California first, before London, for pre-nup purposes. If in California, then M will wait until KC dies. If in London, she can divorce him at any time.

I think it would be foolish if the Royal Family, especially Charles and William, did not read everything in the tabloids (and of course, in the legitimate press). When they consult with lawyers, PR experts, and others, they need to understand enough about the publicity going on in order to make a strategy as to how to deal with it. Maybe I'm over-dramatizing this, but the future of the monarchy is at stake. In any case, you'd have to be extremely stupid to avoid knowing what's being said, if for no other reason, than to understand how the public is reacting to them.

I would rip the black flesh from her bones and devour it in front of her children while masturbating to God Save The King.

To the poster(s) who keep bring up the subject of whether Meghan gave birth herself to those children - Who Cares ??? It makes no difference.

They spend so much time away from those children, sadly I don't think their children make them happy either.

[quote] Maybe I'm over-dramatizing this, but the future of the monarchy is at stake.

Mary!

[quote] Please remind me if H & M got married in California first, before London, for pre-nup purposes.

no.

But remember, they were secretly married by the Archbishop of Candyland in the back garden at Graceland.

Harry's "top-flight education" = harrassing disabled persons, lots of drugs and cheating, and specific problems in Art class

Apparently he included a passage in his book about Meghan's trip to India in 2017, and how he asked her not to take a photo in front of the Taj Mahal because people would think she's mimicking Diana. And Meghan was confused because she had NO idea about that famous pic according to the moron, and he was so impressed that she just knew so little about his family. I am convinced that Meghan can say anything to that dolt and he'll believe it.

"Wait... you're telling me you once had a mother, Haz? What was her name, my love? Was she a famous person?"

2016

Harry has now said the tell-all book by Diana's butler made his blood boil. Literally zero self-awareness.

The comments on a DM article about this are merciless, r210.

As they should be.

That's all an act r159.

That's all an act r159.

Lovely how DM finally came around when I recall how for so very long NO negative comments about Meghan were permitted by their moderators. Many of us had tried to warn the Brits what they were getting.

Here's the interview, if no one has posted it yet.

Harry is severely balding in the back. I don’t understand why he doesn’t fix it. He’s in Hollywood now.

R210 He’s a hypocrite!

He was upset at Camilla using the British press while acknowledging he did it too.

He was upset at the idea of William and Charles spilling what he said to them during Elizabeth’s funeral but he can air them out on TV.

He doesn’t realize what a hypocrite he is.

But he’s clearly not an intelligent person and that’s always been out in the open. He’s an idiot.

[quote] Harry is severely balding in the back. I don’t understand why he doesn’t fix it. He’s in Hollywood now.

Because he's had it drummed into him by everyone he's ever known in his social sphere that it's considered unspeakably tacky and middle-class to fix your hairline and/or get plastic surgery.

Royals and aristocrats almost NEVER do those things, and when and if they do, they're mercilessly mocked for it behind their backs by their peers.

If Harry is so conservative style-wise that he's still going to wear crewneck cashmere sweaters over button-down Oxford shirts (like it's still 1981), then he's not about to mess with his hairline.

It was the stair ride he took as a fetus, I'm convinced. A blithering idiot with a posh accent.

Harry, Colbert, and Tom Hanks join in skit to sneer at royal protocol and pageantry.

You assume such snottiness from Harry and Colbert but I wouldn't have expected Hanks to join in

Once this press tour is over, I wonder if he’s going to return to California and have a breakdown. He’s on a high right now and getting so much attention, but when things quiet down…

[quote] ...to return to California

So, how is the flooding, mudslide situation in Montecito?

I think so, R221.

Such a hypocrite - mocking royal etiquette on Colbert to a US audience, but going mental over precedence and uniforms with the right embroidery at the queen's funeral.

But Camilla IS a snake and Charles IS an insufferable asshole.

If Camilla is a snake she is a most clever one. The smartest member of the Royal Family.

Now the book is out the listing of outright mistakes/lies is beginning. Most egregious so far is Harry's memories of hearing about the Queen Mother's death in his room at Eton, the light shining through the window as he picked up the phone, so poignant -except he was actually skiing in Klosters with Charles and William, a matter of public record and a basic fact-checking failure by the publisher as well as an invented memory.

Katie Porter announced her Senate run. Imagine Meghan debating her in a primary.

It aired on UK TV last night. Seemed a carbon copy of the ITV interview to be honest.

Katie waiting for Meghan to stop speaking during the debate R228.

There is no way ever Meghan would run for office. She would have to relinquish all her titles if she did so.

r231, no, her titles are simply unrecognized legally.

I'm pretty certain she is still an American citizen. She can run for any office

Oh great. can't wait for all her childhood memories of Sizzler salad bar and the Old Spaghetti Factory to make a resurgence, when she wrote on her blog her father took her to Musso's every frigging week.

That's not the point, r233. The King would insist she be stripped of her titles if she tried to run for political office in the US or elsewhere. The Windsors are adamant about that.

[quote] [R231], no, her titles are simply unrecognized legally.

You're flat-out wrong.

If she ran, the King would set in place legislation before Parliament that she be formally and officially stripped of all her titles, and Parliament would absolutely comply.

yes R235 I see now what you meant. She would trade that only if she had a guarantee for Senate

Can Charles strip "Spare" of its title?

Anyhoo, I will always retain my title of Humanitarian of the World.

Oh thank god. With her increased celebrity and name recognition (and the stupidity of our votes, demonstrated by Mr Trump), I'm really afraid she might succeed in running for office. Look at some of the ludicrous examples in Congress!

So... I don't think she would trade a bird in hand for two in the bush or whatever the saying is. The criticism, the hassle, the investigation of her background and all her claims, the requirement to at least look like you're trying to actually work, I mean what a nightmare.

And I think she aspires more to be an Angelina Jolie than a Hillary Clinton anyhow.

Jolie's lost her position with the UN but it spinning it that it'sa mutual decision. Will she still bother going to Cambodia, etc to be filmed eating fried tarantulas with her kids?

Meghan couldn't get elected to the local school board. This book is also demonstrating very clearly through these ridiculous "birth stories" that she has never been pregnant.

And Meghan would never want to run for the local school board, either. That's never the position these entitled assholes ever want to start out in . It's always The United States Senate or House at a minimum. What previous office did Madison Cawthorn ever hold?

One interesting development here in the UK is that a few voices in parliament are already beginning to push for the Dukedom to be taken away. I think that may be where pressure can/will be brought to bear.

If Harry’s invective has an enduring impact, it may well be that the issue of titles is taken out of Charles’s hands entirely.

That would be the best solution r244. Let's hope they follow through.

R244 I think that would be the best outcome.

It would take an act of Parliament to remove Harry's blood prince rank.

But even the Duke of Windsor in fucking exile kept his HRH.

Hopefully parliament will take all his titles: prince, duke, baron and earl in one clean swoop.

He's out of his head.

[quote]If she ran, the King would set in place legislation before Parliament that she be formally and officially stripped of all her titles, and Parliament would absolutely comply.

I hereby strip you of ALL your princess points!

It's funny how Markle is so familiar with Disney/princess films she's too old to have seen as a child. It's quite creepy. What kind of adult watches the Princess Diaries unless they're seeing it (under sufferance) with kids?

How many threads are there on Datalounge about this clod and his battle ax wife? A couple hundred maybe? Enough is enough.

The princely status is the result of a letters patent. Would Parliament override that? I can see them taking back the dukedom. Be funny to see her swanning around the world as Princess Henry.

[quote] It would take an act of Parliament to remove Harry's blood prince rank.

That can of course be arranged.

But it would take far less to strip Meghan of her title as "Duchess of Sussex," and she is NOT going to run for public office as "The Princess Henry" (which is what her title would be if she loses Duchess of Sussex).

But this entire discussion of her running for public office is just stupid. It's simply not going to happen. She would simply not do that--she knows she would lose, and she knows it would mean an irrevocable breach forever with the King.

The ONLY way she would even be allowed to do it would be if she divorced Harry, and also agreed to give up the title of Duchess of Sussex and the Princess Henry and become just Meghan Markle again.

Otherwise you might as well be telling me she plans one day to float away to the planet Neptune and grow a third eye, because that is just about as likely to happen.

The harkles show a strong disregard for the monarchy, r253. She seemed to be aiming for something with that letter about leave, phoning senators about it. She certainly isn't lacking in confidence. She's like Trump in that regard.

[quote] She would simply not do that--she knows she would lose, and she knows it would mean an irrevocable breach forever with the King.

I think that ship has sailed. Even if Charles seeks a reconciliation, the terms Harry seeks will be so extreme that they will be impossible to meet. And no other member of the Family will ever utter a word in his presence on any subject more controversial than what time of day it is.

And I really think the impact of this book, and the ongoing saga could well push Charles into an early grave. I wonder if the Sussexes even consider that? They are clearly going to make a fortune very quickly, but what then?

One thing I would bet my life on is that William will have absolutely nothing to do with them when he is on the throne. Ironically, by painting William as a villain, they have made it much easier for him to not even have to attempt to pretend to want them around. There is very little worse than a betrayal by someone you still love. Harry is too deluded and arrogant to apologise, and William is too angry and defensive to forgive him, especially after the attacks on Kate.

What's the point of stripping them of their titles when the Duke of Sussex will eventually reconcile with his family and divorce his wife, while as his children grow older and can decide for themselves they will increasingly choose to spend time in Britain, with the British side of their family.

Dimwit is to cuntstruck to divorce her. Add in his mummy-saviour issues and she will be the one to leave. They're two incredibly unlikeable people, enormously hypocritical, deluded and narcissistic. It's a wonder that they can stand each other, especially with him being so ugly and stupid, but her pattern is to use and discard. Hard to see her breaking it.

What's stopping her from running? She's an American citizen, living in America, seeking a seat in American government, and about as much a member of the Royal Family as Sophia Lorentzen or Nicholas Medforth-Mills, 72nd and 86th in line to the throne. (OK, she isn't that obscure... would that she were.) The constitutional precedent that the royal family don't participate in partisan politics applies only in the UK and the countries where the monarch is head of state and, like most of the British constitution, there's nothing in writing - it's all convention. So it would be notorious and scandalous and wrong, but none of that seems likely to stop her.

All that said, I honestly can't see her running. She can't be completely ignorant to... the uneven affection for her throughout the land and she's first to complain (well, second, this week) about the media... plus politicians spend a lot of time a gruesomely dull events, shaking hands and sucking up to the kind of people who like politics and politicians and picnics and they spend even more time raising money. It's hard to imagine her raising millions she couldn't keep for herself. Those beautifully fitted ballgowns don't grow themselves. I called her this before and I'm sticking by it: she's a Sarah Palin category candidate. I don't know who'd want her. The best you could do is give her a safe district and why waste that on her? Loyal dems and political stars would be fighting like dogs to get a safe seat.

Yes, r257, Meghan will divorce Harry. Sorry, I didn't mean that Harry will initiate the divorce, just that they will divorce. I suspect that Meghan is a tad horrified about what's transpired over the past few days, especially when Harry said that it's not racist to ask about Archie's skin colour and when he mentioned that both he and Meghan love Lady Hussey and Meghan thinks she's great.

Meghan built her whole brand on fighting the supposed racism of the royals and the British tabloids, then Harry goes and blows that all up. I get the impression their "friends" are distancing themselves from them, e.g. Misan Harriman, who took the photo of Lilibet with no legs and who is always jumping in on Twitter and Instagram to defend and promote them, has been completely silent. He was particularly noisy when the Lady Hussey/Ngozi Fulani thing blew up.

By the way, Harry defending his family against the racism allegations and criticising the British tabloids for accusing them of racism is just one reason why at the end of the day I believe he will reconcile. His robust defence of Lady Hussey and his effusive praising of her shows just how much he loves that world.

Apologies, r259 was posted by r256.

R258, the constitution prohibits any titled person to run for office. Remember why we are the united states of america ?

R261... I did not know that. She'll probably argue she isn't titled as she doesn't hold the title herself (which she does not.) It's just my form of Mrs., you see.

[quote] Meghan Markle has shown that she’s willing to put the full force of her famous name behind royal causes. In the last two months alone, she cold-called Senators to pressure them to make paid family leave a reality, she and Harry took a stand for vaccine equality on a trip to New York, and their non-profit Archewell just pledged to go net-zero carbon by 2030. One reason for the outspokenness? Her rumored intentions to run for office (possibly, according to one source, for a Senate seat in California). But if she does, she may have to ditch her royal title because of, fittingly, the Constitution of the United States of America.

[quote]Speaking to Express UK, Harvard Professor Mark Tushnet pointed to [bold]Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the Constitution, called the Foreign Emoluments Clause, which says that no person holding office shall accept a Title “of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State” without the express consent of Congress. And according to Tushnet, if Meghan Markle wants to run for political office, that’s probably not going to happen: “I don’t think it’s ever happened before. I think the chances of Congress allowing her to retain her titles would be very slim,” he told Express. [/bold]

[quote]It would take an act of Parliament to remove Harry's blood prince rank.

No, it wouldn't. Not for the princely rank. For the royal dukedom, probably. But not his HRH or princely title.

The monarch (King Charles) fully controls those, and can add or remove them at his whim. It's one of the final remaining powers he has, leftover from medieval times, called "Fount of All Honour". QEII invoked this power when she issued the statement that the Sussexes would not be using their HRHs when living outside the UK and not acting as working royals. This was not necessarily with their prior permission; she had the power to take it entirely away, but instead simply "mothballed" it while they moved to the US. Notice they don't use them at all, despite all their other ongoing strife with the BRF. They know full well they can't.

QEII also invoked this power when she stated back in 1999 that Edward and Sophie's future children would be styled/knows as Lord/Lady, and not HRH Prince/Princess as would usually be the case. Granted, she conferred with Edward and Sophie first about this, before issuing a statement; however make no mistake, if the Queen approached them with this suggestion, they really had no option other than to accept it. This was part of the ongoing "slimming" plans of the BRF at that time.

Any talk of them taking his princely status from him is pointless. Not going to happen.

Even the Guardian is mocking Harry now - via the ever hilarious John Crace.

Oh I agree r265, should have added that to my post. Not going to happen. But I wanted to make the note that it is in Charles's power to give/take away HRH honorifics and princely ranks.

R267, I didn't want to sound like I was coming down hard on you, I wasn't. It's just there's a contingent on here thinks this is something between Real Housewives and Game of Thrones. If there's one truth about the British monarchy it tends to do as little as possible, as late as it can (sometimes to its detriment) and without making a big thing of it. Big things for them are for good days, not bad.

So an earthquake like the taking a title, let alone princely status, is the very last thing they would want, no matter how angry or hurt they may be. The last time a title was taken Parliament stripped the German relations of British titles. Even the Duke of Windsor - who gave up the throne - that's massive if you know your history and can appreciate the throne is a pretty serious business within governing the UK - even Windsor kept his HRH status, though they screwed with his wife. So they will punish, but it's seldom on an operatic scale. He said horrible, horrible things about all of them, especially Kate who's done nothing really but be a good and loyal wife and worker and whose sin was not to like that bitch he married. If Boris and Natasha aren't at the coronation, that's massive.

R263, Meghan already holds a title granted by a monarch. From what I understand, the US constitution doesn't prevent her from running for office with a foreign title, it simply prevents her from taking a title from a foreign monarch or foreign state if she already were an elected official.

Technically Meghan doesn't have a title in her own right and hasn't been awarded one by a monarch - she has just married someone with one and shares his title as a courtesy and social custom.

[quote] By the way, Harry defending his family against the racism allegations and criticising the British tabloids for accusing them of racism is just one reason why at the end of the day I believe he will reconcile.

I interpreted that differently. He was differentiating between unconscious bias and racism; whatever someone had supposedly said was an example of unconscious bias. He then made the claim that it was the evil British media that turned their wise, enlightened point about bias into a racism allegation.

It's one of the more absurd scenes in this whole comedy: Harry the party boy pontificating on the subtleties of racism, condescendingly suggesting his benighted family needs to "educate themselves" as he's done (by shagging a woman with a black mother).

I'm not sure how different your interpretation is from mine r271, but anyway. Although I don't think Harry cares that much about enlightening his family or anyone else.

When asked about the comment about Archie's skin and why he hadn't revealed who the "perpetrator" was, Harry was quite quick to say this was not a case of racism and how it's very common in biracial families to wonder what the kid will look like. He twittered a bit about unconscious bias, but it's not even clear if he believes the Archie anecdote and the Lady Hussey episodes were even examples of that. I think the unconscious bias thing is a strategy to get around the rhetoric about racism. Harry complaining that the evil British tabloids are the ones that to blame for the racism accusations is hilarious though, given that the whole racism barrage came from the Oprah interview, the social media response, and the American media and liberal establishment response.

Harry needs to make up his mind. Are the British tabloids in cahoots with his family or are they unfairly attacking his family?

[quote]Harry the party boy pontificating on the subtleties of racism, condescendingly suggesting his benighted family needs to "educate themselves" as he's done (by shagging a woman with a black mother).

R271, is there anything else one could try? I don't even like to hug that much.

Apparently in the book he talks about putting some cream on his frostbitten penis and thinking of his mummy because it was the same cream she used when they went skiing and that smell brought him right back to mummy... wtf?

Not only that, R274, it's a cream she used as LIP CREAM which he then put on his knob and was immediately transported back to watching and smelling his mother putting the very same cream on her lips. He is A-Grade messed up.

I'm now The Cut Review troll: "there's TMI and then there's whatever is happening here."

Horse faced Camilla is nothing but a cheap trick, & deserves all the daggers coming her way.

I give him some credit for being so honest and I appreciate that his mother's death was traumatic... but damn. There is something about a grown man repeatedly referring to "MUMMY" that comes off as quite unhinged. Especially in the context of rubbing his dick.

It's for show r278. Kaching kaching. He has to make money somehow, Diana remains highly popular. Invoking her name brings attention and eyeballs. He doesn't actually sit around all day and dwell on his mother.

[quote]He doesn't actually sit around all day and dwell on his mother.

I will if you pay me to.

His mother’s death is perfect fuel for a victim complex. It can be the reason why he feels his”spareness” so acutely. And it offers him a get-out-of-jail-free card for any failures in his own conduct or weaknesses in his personality. It allows him to accept himself as he is, without going through the same painful processes of becoming better people that the rest of us have to go through.

And it offers him a bullshit “life is short” philosophy which allows him to take all the drugs he wants and hurt whoever he likes.

It’s a tempting road to go down, and I headed that way for a while after my own dad died when I was a teenager. It didn’t make me happy though.

I'm critical of both of them. I do accept his mother's death fucked him up. I don't accept he has to behave like this. I urge him to ask all his therapists for a refund.

Debating whether Meghan will run for the Senate is equivalent to speculating whether Chris Christie will dance with New York City Ballet. She is manifestly too shallow, thin-skinned and stupid to survive a campaign against Adam Schiff and Katie Porter; reflexively screams racism and sexism. husband a huge liability. Please cease and desist. We don't need anyone making this pipe dream credible.

Try to imagine Michelle Obama campaigning for her. Not going to happen.

268 Apparently on IMDB Meghan was listed as having a future tv appearance at Kings Coronation in May but it has now been removed?

Above post meant for r268 ^^^

r282 He is a very bad advert for therapy.

I wonder if mummy Doria is his therapist? It wouldn’t surprise me. Someone has fucked him up really badly, nursing his grievances, stoking the mummy issues and fuelling his sense of his own importance.

I can’t imagine a decent therapist encouraging him to blow up his family relationships as he has done. All sense of sincere empathy towards them has been erased, which is very helpful to anyone seeking to use him as a cash cow.

He was never the fucking 'spare', though - the terms has no meaning for the monarchy, with its long line of succession based on parliamentary statute. The 'spare' is the the emergency extra one in case the heir dies and the title becomes extinct or goes to those distant cousins you hate- it's an aristo, Downton Abbey-type concept that simply doesn't translate to the monarchy. By the time William became the actual heir, he had three kids and Harry was already way down the line. His bizarre resentment is just stupid.

[quote]I can’t imagine a decent therapist encouraging him to blow up his family relationships as he has done.

No, but there are a lot of terrible therapists out there.

Can you imagine Meghan eating rubber chickens and sloppy joes in Modesto or Needles?

I can imagine Megan eating rubber chickens and sloppy joes in Phoenix.

R272, I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I very much got the impression in that bit of the interview that he was suggesting wondering about the looks of a biracial baby was a preliminary stage of racism (which he deemed par for the course, having lived in that family; i.e., such low-key racism is par for the course). And he goes on to say they need to examine that to ensure it isn't now or doesn't become full-blown racism.

Apparently his use of an anti-Asian slur was also explained away thusly: he'd always heard it being used in his youth and wasn't aware it was negative. Subtext: I learned racism from my upbringing, then I got enlightened when I left my family/friends of origin.

r292 It was well known in all sections of UK society from 1980s onwards that calling someone a paki is a racist term.Sorry aint buying this exceptionalist narrative for Harrys level of moral responsibility for his own behaviour. There is no evidence that his father Charles is racist and plenty pointing to him not being so forgive me if I dont go along with any insinuation from a proven liar that he learnt racism from his family.

Oh please r292, no one in the world, apart from you, believes that Charles, or the Queen, or anyone in Harry's family ever said "paki". As r293 says, it was a well-known racist slur. Perhaps for schoolboys there's an extra tinge of saying something naughty, so I remember it being used at school (where there were lots of Pakistani and Indian kids). It's also not a term adults, or anyone older than their early 20s uses. It's very much a stupid kids' term.

Of course they won't be at the coronation r268. The thought is ludicrous. They aren't welcome.

He was being a condescending prick, saying, "our LITTLE paki friend"

He was bullying. He's always been a bully. Just that this time it was caught on film.

[quote]I know living with that level of media attentions since birth must be difficult, but his total rage-filled obsession with the press is literally eating him alive.

He is lying piece of shit. He is a media whore, constantly asking for attention. If he hated the attention, he would live quiet life, not going from one TV show to another to whine and badmouth his father and brother.

It was Prince Edward and Sophie who declined for their children to be known as Princess and Prince, however, they can choose to use those titles at their majority. It is their birthright.

Harry missed 32 calls attempting to inform him of his grandfather’s death.

Yeah, Meghan will run for the Senate the same time Ivanka does. It’s like some people just invent crap to get indignant over.

Ok, Harry has made it a week on DL without let up.

Keep talking about

HRH Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex, Earl of Dumbarton, Baron Kilkeel. KCVO

Peasants will be peasants. Don't disappoint me DL!

Oh, and for everyone who thought the 60 Minutes interview was softball, there is a new CBS NEWS REPORTER interview on CBS tonight.