Final Jan. 6th Committee public hearing today, 12/19/2022

I wish they’d do this in prime time. It’s too easy to ignore in the middle of the day, the week before Christmas

I wonder why they didn't, r1.

I suspect they wanted to get it out before everyone's attention is completely subsumed by The Holidays after work today. A lot of people start taking vacation/traveling after today.

These are legitimate hearings. The networks have paid programming in the evening. Primetime ad rates, etc. Not willing to cancel. By doing it during the day the proceedings maintain their level of gravitas and they also get maximum coverage analysis and repeats all day and evening long.

But what about Hunter Biden's enormous, engorged cock?

I'll be watching.

That makes sense, r4.

Is this the OFFICIAL Watch thread?

I haven't come across another, r8.

There is one other thread started with only a few replies. I think we should stick with this one.

Good pregame commentary on CNN & MSNBC. Fox News is ignoring it so far.

I watch and listen to him. I really like him. Is he gay?

I hope they put the screws to Kevin McCarthy as well.

Meeting in the newly named “Speaker Nancy Pelosi Caucus Room.” formally know as the Cannon Caucus Room.

Criminal referral of Dump coming soon. And his tax returns about to be released to the public. It's going to be a miserable Christmas for Mango Mussolini (which makes me happy).

What was "dat ass" I just saw on CNN? A shame they cut away.

Will sexy Adam be wearing his tight suit, showing off those bulging biceps?

The committee members just sat down and the gavel just went...

This is a waste of time, IMHO. Unless Republicans feel some type of shame and accountability this is all meaningless. And, of course we all know that they don't and won't. Most Republicans (along with their staffs) are listening to this on the periphery and are more concerned about securing this evening's dinner reservations. This is an exercise and theater for the Democrats.

Ms Cheney is wearing Blue Wave blue again today. You go girl!

All menopausal blondes should get the name of Liz Cheney's colorist!

R19 It is for the benefit of history if nothing else.

And, that's about it, R22. What we are witnessing here is basically a repeat of what happened after the Civil War. The ex-Confederates couldn't care less . When it was clear that no one was going to jail, being hanged, or even going to trial, within days and hours they were back to their business as normal

Of course Congress will do nothing with this -BUT the Justice Department will. There will be indictments.

[quote]There will be indictments.

There will be 2 people who will take the fall. Eastman & Clark. That's it. Oh! And, Trump will be ineligible to run again either legally or because there simply is no interest. But, do you really think that Cruz, Hawley, Jordan, and 30-40 other Republicans are going to suffer any type of consequence or be held accountable?

r25, you don't think Mark Meadows will be indicted? Seriously?

If Trump is indicted for conspiracy then others will have to be named and indicted along with him.

And I believe Trump will be indicted for conspiracy. No doubt about it.

[quote]If Trump is indicted for conspiracy

Trump and quite a few other Republicans should be arrested for their TREASON committed against this nation.

[quote]And I believe Trump will be indicted for conspiracy. No doubt about it.

And then what?

Every single one of Trump's enablers deserves to be executed.

Lock him up, r29! Pretty simple.

I meant Mark Meadows. Not that I like Kevin McCarthy but it's not his time. Yet.

There has to be the realization that these are extraordinary times and just because there's no precedent for indicting, convicting, arresting and jailing a former President., there's NO reason it can't and yet must happen now.

History is watching.

[quote]Every single one of Trump's enablers deserves to be executed.

I agree. But, who of the Confederacy was executed? Many of them had statues erected in honor of them.

The lovely Hope Hicks FINALLY makes an appearance!

Unsurprisingly, she's not very articulate.

Didn't realize Hope had such vocal fry.

Yeah, r34, and all of those statues are currently being removed and destroyed. We're living in very different times now.

It's from gargling all that rancid semen.

r36, Hope was never known for her vocals.

[quote]The lovely Hope Hicks FINALLY makes an appearance!

She had time to get off her back and out of the bed? Mmph... I guess this is serious.

Mr Shift?

[quote]Hope was never known for her vocals.

Yes, r39, she's known as more of a hummer.

It’s hard to imagine how Republicans are not at least embarrassed by this. What part do they dispute?

Will our Adam get to speak today?

Unlike Trump & his conspirators, the Committee has evidence. Tons of it.

I hope Adam gets sentenced to Onlyfans.

[quote]Unlike Trump & his conspirators, the Committee has evidence. Tons of it.

Trump and his conspirators nearly overthrew the government. The Committee can't even get the police to pick up anyone who ignored their subpoena

[quote]This is an exercise and theater for the Democrats.

Hardly, r19.

They won't ignore subpoenas from the DOJ, r47.

Fox News is not showing this.

^ what a surprise!

Quel surprise, r50. So much for Murdoch turning on Trump.

They have their hands over their ears. And heads in the sand.

Fox News, Propaganda Network.

[quote]Fox News is not showing this.

Why would they? They got the goods on Hunter Biden

The goods are very, very nice.

Fox News is the root of all evil in America.

We didn't call it 20th Penitentiary Fox for nothing back in the day.

There were no trials and hangings after the civil war because of backroom deals over Reconstruction. Those early post-war administrations were corrupt, to say the least. I think it's clear that our nation's failure to hold those rebels accountable for their actions -and the subsequent coddling of them, their ideas, and their supporters -is what what led us to our present dilemma. I hope we don't repeat the mistake today.

[quote]The goods are very, very nice.

Weird how Republicans are OBSESSED with sexuality when all THEIR leaders are perverts.

CuntyAnne Conway, lying her ass off as usual.

Everyone at that January 6th event on stage that day, should've been executed right there on stage on live television for the whole world & country to see, fir committing treason. Including Trump. The Fed's should've shot Everyone in the fucking head right there on the spot, to send a message to anyone else who think you can try to overthrow the U.S. government & nothing won't happen to you.

That's exactly what should've happened!!

This is really well put together. Can’t wait till they get to their recommendations.

Here’s the good part…

[quote]There were no trials and hangings after the civil war because of backroom deals over Reconstruction.

That's my point. 700K plus dead meant nothing. The overthrowing of our government, the killing and injuring of officers. etc mean nothing when it comes down to power. What this Committee is doing right now is just doing what Republicans want to do but for some reason can't do. They want to get rid of Trump too.

Raskin says the committee will be making a criminal referral of Donald Trump, John Eastman and others.

[quote]This is really well put together. Can’t wait till they get to their recommendations.

It is GOOD television! Maybe it will be nominated for an EMMY?

I predict a tantrum via social media in 3, 2, 1…

Did Austin Butler get a job as a congressional aide? He seems to be sitting behind Raskin.

I think there were a lot of sympathetic types within law enforcement R62, which is why that didn't happen. The origins of this insurrectionist type thinking also occurred when the Bundys took over federal lands years ago. I thought they all should have been blown away then, but that didn't happen either. It only emboldened them to go further. You have to put down violent rebellion, otherwise they just regroup and try again.

R63, yes, very well constructed, like a skilled court prosecution. I keep reminding myself that none of this gets out to those who need to pay attention. But it is for history, and it is for the Justice Department.

I'm so happy Raskin is the one making these announcements. The Antisemitic pigs are having literal fits! Fuck all of you!

Who is the hottie behind Raskin (to his right)? Momma likey!

R69 I think he is Adam Kinzinger's aide... he was behind him. There's a story.

He is so very EARNESTLY concerned.

Raskin brining Alexis Colby Energy as I type!

Raskin brining Alexis Colby Energy as I type!

Yep, Raskin has such credibility in his manner and tone.

[quote]I'm so happy Raskin is the one making these announcements. The Antisemitic pigs are having literal fits! Fuck all of you!

Is his windowpane suit symbolic in any way? I mean... prison bars?

And WHERE oh WHERE is our Clark Kent lookalike? I want him to be sub-peen-aed.

This committe worked hard on this for a long time. I hope they're satisfied they did their best.

R80 They did their job very, very well. The usual tribes will respond in predictable ways.

Next step in the DOJ's lap.

Cool, it was a unanimous vote. I wonder if he will go to jail. I hope.

So that’s it. Now let’s see what DOJ does.

More to the point, R80, i hope the American public are satisfied that they did their best. For my part, I think they all acted heroically, in the best interests of our country and our people. They demonstrated courage and integrity in the face of overwhelming corruption and cravenness.

Contrast these hearing with what we're about to see come out of the next Congress--Gym Jordan and Large Marge screaming and hollering about Hunter Biden's cock and butt plugs being sold at CVS. It's going to be a clown show.

Unfortunately, the news this evening will probably only present the recommendations without going into the evidence much.

Is it over or are they on a break?

Who were the 4 members of Congress that Jamie Raskin said did not give testimony under subpoena?

At least Hunter's cock is more worthy of discussion than Drumpf's little mushroom nub.

It's over, R87. Now the backlash can begin...

Dayaaam R62! You’re fucking hardcore!

R70 And that's the problem. The U.S. government is sorry as fuck. People who commit treason are supposed to be executed. This country won't learn from its past, (reconstruction) which was a massive disaster & completely fell apart. Everyone behind January 6th really needs to be held accountable for what they did on that day & to this country. Trump should not be allowed to get away with his bullshit.

This is exactly why faith in government is in the toilet currently. It's time they do their damn jobs.

Thanks, r90…I thought I saw people sitting at the “witness table” today and thought they might be coming back.

I often wonder how different things would be if Trump had actually been allowed to make it to the Capitol on Jan 6th. Would Republican members of Congress be able to deny his involvement if Trump was there leading the assault on the building, would he have been removed from office on Jan 7th. Or God forbid would Trump have been successful. Would one of the Capitol Police have shot Trump.

WE MUST SUPPORT THE CAPITOL POLICE!!!

If any of you missed this, you can go to youtube and watch it

So often public hearings are for show. THey're circuses. The level of credibility, and serious factual information is in short supply. What this committee did was restore and elevate the function of a serious investigative hearing. They were serious. They put partisan performative bullshit aside and put our country and our Constitution and our laws first. It was very sobering. From start to finish it graphically showed the world the impact of all the bullshit that came out of Trump' mouth. One huge message from this? When Trump says stuff, do not dismiss it. Take it seriously. Something too few in the media did for the past 7 years.

These hearing should be awarded a special Emmy.

R91 That's how you maintain law & order in this country. I'm so sick of seeing conservatives & Republicans get away with shut in this country that it seems no one else would be able to get away with. I'm dead serious l.

Officer Hard to Kill Fanone showed up at every one of these hearings along with others. I hope justice is served for these guys.

I wish Liz Cheney wasn't such a damn rightwinger. She's impressive as hell.

[quote]So often public hearings are for show. THey're circuses. The level of credibility, and serious factual information is in short supply. What this committee did was restore and elevate the function of a serious investigative hearing.

For White people. (Oh yes, I have to take this here) Do you know how many of the minority classes have sat back and watched this blatant outright illegal activity go on and NOTHING i bad really happen to anyone while they are killed over a missing taillight?

The trolls are frantically bumping old threads to try to bury this.

Also, remember: the most powerful witnesses were Republicans and many were people who worked directly with and/or under Trump.

That's the brilliance of the committee.

it's really maddening that the scum bucket pieces of shit repubs are about to take over the House so the ethics investigations will be promptly dismissed

every single member of congress involved in Jan 6 should have been expelled immediately

I hate that the US government and law means accountability takes way too long so in many cases corrupt elected or appointed officials get away with crimes

"Everyone at that January 6th event on stage that day, should've been executed right there on stage on live television for the whole world & country to see, fir committing treason."

If it had been Obama and a bunch of minorities pulling that bullshit, that's exactly what would have happened. If it had been white Democrats, the Pukes would have given the Dems a couple of days to get their affairs in order, but they still would have been executed before the end of January.

Just goes to show the two different standards of justice that are applicable in this great American society of ours. But because this was a bunch of rich white guys, they get special, kid-gloves treatment.

No worry R103

The blond hottie in the background is Josh Roselman.

He's 35-ish and went to Harvard Law School.

Josh can depose me anytime.

R106 don't forget that Texan floral shop owner bitch who was allowed to go on vacation to Mexico by the judge

The United States has never been a serious country from its founding. If you're white, you're free to do whatever you want. And everyone sees it crystal clear.

Why do they keep saying that the 14th Amendment disqualification clause is untested? By the courts? The Supreme Court can't rule that the constitution is unconstitutional.

Some are saying that The Committee shouldn't release all of the info to the public as it might compromise the DOJ's investigation.

I believe two of the others referred to the DOJ are Rudy and Mark Meadows.

Fox News is stressing that the Committee was one sided. They don’t acknowledge that Cheney & Kinzinger are Repubs or that all the witnesses were Trump people.

Fox News lying to their feeble audience is nothing new.

Hope Hicks is an annoying up-talker.

She's the reason the word vapid was invented, r117.

Did anybody listen to what she actually said? She was brave to testify.

Why is Andrea leading the MSNBC coverage? Where is Rachel??

[quote]Cool, it was a unanimous vote. I wonder if he will go to jail. I hope.

Jake Tapper pointed out that even though this country has a myth that we hold the powerful to account –and Bennie Thompson reiterated that sentiment today –- the fact is it rarely happens.

Damn, I think Hope Hicks is hot! Whew!

Sorry... I wish I didn't.

Does anyone think DOJ should consider how politically disruptive prosecuting Trump will be?

Pretty is as pretty does, r122.

Of course it's a consideration, r123, it just won't be a deciding factor.

What's important is the fact that his supporters and money people are deserting him, his numbers are way down, and there are viable alternatives to him as potential candidates for POTUS. This will give the DoJ some cover. I will say this. I believe that if these referrals had happened a year or more ago, the DoJ may have been reluctant to go after him. However. Andrew McCabe seemed to temper the enthusiasm by talkoing about how difficult it would be to make a case against Trump. A legal case. McCabe was trying tp prepared us for the likelihood Trump would walk.

Hope Hicks was not hired by Trump for her brain.

We know, r127...it was for her steaming abilities.

Hope HIcks overkills on the makeup.

Ya think?

"... this is all meaningless."

Nope, it's all important and historic. There's been nothing like it since the Civil War. Trump will forever be attached to 'treason', as well as 'twice-nearly-impeached'.

The Republicans are planning to hold hearings about 1/6 Committee. So childish.

"Where is Rachel??"

Tonight is Rachel's night to host the show. I hope she does a victory lap.

R132 Opposite Day is so predictable. We say that humans breathe out of our mouth and nose, they say we breathe out of our ass. It’s like that’s the only platform they have.

What was "brave" about Hope's testimony? While I don't think she's very bright, I do think she knows that ultimately distancing herself from Trump will behoove her mightily.

Not "nearly-impeached" -he WAS impeached. He just wasn't removed from office.

Did we get any Kinzey? Shirtless?

"... how different things would be if Trump had actually been allowed to make it to the Capitol on Jan 6th."

He had no intention of going. He never gets his hands dirty, makes others do the dirty work. His lie was to encourage the crowds to head over there while he escaped.

[quote]He had no intention of going.

He attacked a Secret Service Agent who told him they would not be taking him to the Capitol.

He would have gone -but he would have stayed outside the building shouting orders to everyone else to go in and attack.

"He attacked a Secret Service Agent who told him they would not..."

That's a he said/she said probable lie. Didn't they even have some murky video that kinda looked like he sorta reached forward? I don't believe a word of it.

It's something Trump would want put out there for his supporters. That he 'fought like hell' to be there with them- but they wouldn't let him!!

Again: Mafia Don always has his underlings do the nasty stuff. Even his own sons.

Ivanka groomed Hope to give daddy what he wants.

NYT-

Ms. Hicks’s time with Mr. Trump began when she was working as an aide for his elder daughter, Ivanka Trump, on her fashion brand. He hired her for his skeleton staff when he began his campaign for president in 2015, and because the campaign was so small, Ms. Hicks, then 26, was constantly at Mr. Trump’s side (and front and back)

From there, she became indispensable to Mr. Trump, and once he became president, he brought her into the West Wing. Some newer and more senior aides tried to block Ms. Hicks’s access to the president, but her relationship with him outlasted most of their tenures.

My guess is that Trump wanted to get to the Capitol for a closer look but would have never emerged from the limo.

[quote] every single member of congress involved in Jan 6 should have been expelled immediately

I agree. I truly hope that some kind of karma meets up with the vile cunt Lauren Boebert.

When did she start her hot and heavy affair with big dicked Corey Lewandowski?

Yes, of course, R143. He wasn't going to put himself in the middle of that melee -- he just wanted to observe first-hand what his treachery had wrought.

[quote] I'm so happy Raskin is the one making these announcements. The Antisemitic pigs are having literal fits! Fuck all of you!

I listened to Raskin's audiobook over the weekend. It was a hard to listen to because Raskin's son had committed suicide a week or so earlier and he was dealing with a lot on top of Capitol riots.

Mitch McConnell released a terse statement in response to today's televised committee hearing:

“The entire nation knows who is responsible for that day. Beyond that, I don’t have any immediate observations."

I hope this sicks all the ships of those involved

[quote]Ms. Hicks’s time with Mr. Trump began when she was working as an aide for his elder daughter, Ivanka Trump, on her fashion brand. He hired her for his skeleton staff when he began his campaign for president in 2015, and because the campaign was so small, Ms. Hicks, then 26, was constantly at Mr. Trump’s side (and front and back) From there, she became indispensable to Mr. Trump, and once he became president, he brought her into the West Wing. Some newer and more senior aides tried to block Ms. Hicks’s access to the president, but her relationship with him outlasted most of their tenures.

So, Trump fucked her. Or, at the very least got a few hand jobs and/ or blow jobs. I tell ya... these whores. This girl goes from being a retail assistant to one of being the "right-hand" to arguably the most powerful man in the world. Camilla goes from being the "side chick" to now being the queen of England...

WORK THEM PUSSIES, GALS!!!

R148, did he forget to add "And if he is the nominee, I will fully support him?"

Most useless insurrection ever. They went through all that trouble to put their feet on Nancy Pelosi's desk. Why didn't they bring guns? Aren't they all Republicans?

[quote]Nope, it's all important and historic. There's been nothing like it since the Civil War. Trump will forever be attached to 'treason', as well as 'twice-nearly-impeached'.

And?

I written this many times before; Republicans couldn't give a shit about "history". How will they be affected? Do you think that Justice Taney (who has been long dead) worried about his name being associated with one of the worst (if not the worst) decisions ever made by the SCOTUS? Also, do you think it worries him (or, his descendants) that his bust was removed from the Capitol? No! What mattered was the "here and now" then, and the result.

What happend to guy that said that the insurrection was nothing more than tourists visiting the capitol? Didn't he get re-elected?

[quote]Most useless insurrection ever.

Why do we still call this an insurrection? These people attempted to overthrow the US government! THEY ARE TRAITORS!!!

Hope Hicks sounds like what she is...a bimbo.

[quote]I written this many times before; Republicans couldn't give a shit about "history"

We know that, r153, what's your point? Doing it for the historical record is important and a valid reason for this investigation. That and making a referral to DOJ is all that's in their power to do.

R152 I have wondered if some of them had concealed guns.

Ha!

Here's the Republican spin.

Mick Mulvaney believes that there is no case.

How did DL Republican boyfriend Adam look today?

It absolutely thrills me to think that someday there may be a mug shot of Trump.

When the fuck is George Clooney's documentary/expose about Gym Jordan going to come out?? Boy, do we need it now.

Will we finally get to see the trophies that Gym would reward the hot wrestlers for staying in the sauna the longest with him?

I find it shocking, if not surprising, that a bimbo like Hicks could actually be termed a senior advisor to the President of the US. And that anything she had to say to him could have been considered important.

Typo, r163. She was *steamer* advisor.

She took lots of dick in the WH

tell ya whut. I do not ever again want to hear anyone questioning the credentials or competency of any member of a Democratic administration. Ever.

R166 We'll never get back to being free-thinking, open minded people with comments like that.. Just close-minded partisans.

Speaking of history...

Where do we order our FREE January 6th Committee report?

R167. Whatever.

Where to we order our FREE January 6th Committee 2023 calendar? Pix to include police witnesses.

^Sign me up if it includes Kinzinger in his manderwear.

She knew....

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but.....

When there is talk of "flipping" a witness, does that mean simply breaking a witness down so that the witness comes through with the truth the prosecutors need?

Or is it more specifically about breaking the witness down by offering the witness some sort of plea bargaining or lesser punishment so that the witness is more willing and eager to comply with the prosecution?

Also, sorry for this probably dumb question, but does anything change within the DOJ in January, as the House and Senate change?

No.

Kinzinger isn't very tall. I saw him standing around talking to Jamie Raskin and I know Raskin is short and Kinzinger was not much taller. Practically the same. I do not like short men. I will be friends with them, but I am not attracted to them.

[quote]I will be friends with them, but I am not attracted to them.

It is now known and understood, r176.

Can anyone explain why that Lofgren woman insists on her name being mispronounced as “Zo” (rhymes with ho) ??

Bump

Does anyone know when we would know if they will charge Trump? How long would we have to wait?

Zoe rhymes with Joe and Moe. It's quite simple.

R157 Why didn't they use them.

Is anyone else bothered by how ineffectual they all were? If I were gonna attempt to overthrow a government, I would be well-armed and use my guns.

That’s a good question r182. If they had it would have been a bloodbath, and there’s no doubt that, although they would have succeeded in getting a lot of people killed and the vote delayed, I truly believe they still would not have been successful. If they had as well, no way Dump slides by this mess. He would have been 25th and charged with insurrection.

TL;DR- This 15min NYT video shows how the operation was planned, . This committee didn't even touch this subject as to not impact the trials.

The PB/Oathqueefers were waiting for the OK from the Willard Hotel who were watching TV, waiting for the mob to find Pence or Pelosi or for the bombs to go off OR to see a black man hit a white woman. Any of those things would give Trump a reason to take power. White people are protesters and black people form angry mobs.

Jan. 6 testimony revealed that there were snipers in trees. Yesterday we found out hundreds of knives were confiscated before Trump wanted to "turn off the metal detectors". We know that arms were stashed nearby in hotels and boats (!). The goal wasn't to "stop an official proceeding" it was to give Trump a reason to declare Marshall Law (with a 20 percent discount).

Unfortunately for Flynn/.Stone/Rudy, the bombs didn't go off which would have been the final straw , and most importantly, not a single BLM/ANTIFA/Drag queens group showed up to give FOX news pictures of angry black people.

What if Trump gets indicted and a jury fails to convict?

OMG, R184 -- it's MARTIAL law. As in MILITARY law, not MARSHALL, as in sheriff's law.

Learn it and learn it well!

Not according to GOP Rep. Norman. The discount remark should have been a clue that I know the difference.

These fuckers need to all be expelled.

r186 - Did you miss r184's 20% discount?

Since they acted against their Oath of Office, R188, they sure as hell ought to be made to step down.

But, will they? Pffftt.

In a parallel dimension, if they had successfully killed Mike Pence--I wonder what the GQP would've said. Would Miss Lindsey, Ted Cruz, and Josh Hawley still have fallen in line and defended tRump/MAGA? I think they are so craven that they would've defended it. Certainly if Pelosi or any other Democrat were pulled out of there and killed, they would have acted like it was no big deal.

R191 I agree, if Pence had been killed they would defended it.

^That's the irony of Pence: the MAGA movement were completely willing to kill him to keep Dear Leader in charge and now hate him because he dared stand on some principle, yet he still thinks there's a snowball's chance in hell that he can appeal to these people who *wanted him dead*. Even by delusional politician standards, that's quite a feat

Pence is delusional moron. I hope he gets knocked a few pegs at some point along with Mother.

No worries, r194. Pence is already way past his selling point and will be a pathetic footnote to history by next year.

I believe someone on Maddow said that Pence is what AI would be if it was designed by a sheltered, naive pre-teen boy who never left his tiny midwestern town.

The Report

Well, it appears as if Liz Cheney has ruined the holiday season for a few Republicans...

Look... while everything is now in the hands of Merrick Garland and the DOJ, I believe that there will have to be a groundswell movement from us commoners to bring justice. Bar associations throughout the nation should be bringing charges of disbarment against many (if not all) of these so-called lawyers who participated in this scheme to overthrow our government. The public must demand that elected officials who participated in this scheme be brought to task and that would include people such as Newt Gingrich.

I have a question for anyone willing to share; While I suppose most people have adapted to not talking about politics at gatherings and/or disassociating yourself with family and friends who are of the right-wing, etc., but has there been any changes in any of those people's beliefs about Trump, conservatism, the Republican party, given all of this FACTUAL information that is being revealed?

I had a friend (although he thinks that we still are, and I follow his Instagram to call out his craziness when he goes too far) who is a right-wing loon although he calls himself a Libertarian, who used to post consistently the right-wing nonsense talking points, "hate the libs", etc. I've noticed that in the last 3-4 months those type of postings have become less frequent and almost to the point where they are non-existent. I wonder to myself if he has finally realized what a fool and idiot he has been?

I sort of follow this woman on YouTube (Patricia Dickson--a Black woman) who was very pro-Trump and posted numerous videos spewing right-wing nonsense at least once a week. But, earlier this year her posting videos became much less frequent (her excuse was YouTube censorship) and no more inaccuracies about the election being stolen, blah, blah, blah. Her videos (whenever she now posts them) are about the RINOS and how conservatives are being mistreated. This is a marked change from her earlier content.

Has anyone else noticed any changes among your circle?

I think you’re right, R199.

The craziest of my extended family loons are retreating somewhat back into their shells. It may be related to Trump’s plummeting star.

When he (and junior) were riding high, the mishpacha would make loud, bigoted, crazy-ass statements knowing there was a network of equally looney MAGATs willing to voice support. They were the establishment.

Now, Trump’s smoldering toast. Fewer hangers-on want to be associated with a loser. There’s less backup for their braggadocio. They primarily mumble about the libs to each other.

Agreed r199/r200. Funny enough (or disgustingly enough), I think what’s really losing Dump supporters is not that people finally see the light, but that he’s now perceived as a loser. People hate being associated with a loser. They don’t mind being associated by a racist Nazi, as long as he’s a winner.

r199 R200 R201 They just got tired of so much winning...

R201 nails it.