Kirstie Alley is DEAD TO ME

WHAT

R1 I know.

Oh wow

She had a lot ass…

Whoa.

Xenu must have needed an angel.

WTH!

WHAT??????

Did not expect this. Wow.

She had cancer.

Is it sad though? She was an avid Trump supporter

A Cheeseburger Too Far

Did she leave her estate to David Miscavige? or just her IPod.

I didn't do it.

What a shame. This is why people need to go to college. It’s not just some lofty pastime.

I had no idea that she had children.

Did she have a long term coke habit ?

I knew her. She was an arrogant, frightening nightmare, a huge black hole of a cunt,l. May she rest in peace.

R10 you have serious problems if someone’s voting history means you don’t care they died to cancer.

Statement

Does SCI-OOOOO believe in cancer treatment?

R14 what does college have to do with dying of cancer?

No R16. Otherwise she would have been quite thin.

She had a fat ass, but she couldn't live forever.

Scientologist, Trumpster, and now dead.

Wow, she won the trifecta.

She had kids AND grandchildren?

She was great in Look Who's Talking. My Mom and I loved that movie. R.I.P Icon.

71 is not a bad age to die frankly.

She had a major coke habit in the 80s.

Well, I know she was terrible in a lot of ways, but she was nice to my grandfather and collected his art, so RIP Kirstie.

She can finally be towed back out to sea.

Scientology is to blame for this! They frown on traditional medicine

I didn’t know she was that old.

We still have Shelly Long, fortunately.

“Short battle” with a “recently discovered” cancer. Pancreatic?

Do Scienos keep health issues like this private as part of their “religion”? I remember it being a surprise when Kelly Preston died of cancer too. I don’t think it was ever made public.

Sad. Too young. Cancer sucks

My stepdad met her in the early 90s and said she was really down to earth and funny. He always liked her after that, and he hates most celebs.

She’s clam chowder now.

Cancer can sneak up on you. My father died two weeks after his diagnosis.

I always preferred her on Cheers to Shelley Long.

“Moffitt Cancer Center”… so Scientologists are allowed to seek treatment? I thought that went against everything.

R34 Pancreatic, glioblastoma, or she ignored the signs of another cancer for too long.

[quote]71 is not a bad age to die frankly.

Considering how overweight she became she's pretty lucky she made it that long. Her quality of life would've been miserable for the rest of her 70s, failing joints, heart issues, potential for strokes, diabetes if she didn't already have it

You had a good go at it. Thanks for your input.

She had a fat ass but she couldn’t live forever. RIP

R41 no. They aren’t supposed to. But she did. Good for her.

But it seems it was too late.

Definitely did not see that one coming.

I did enjoy her in Woody Allen’s “Regarding Henry” — she was hilarious!

Which lucky bitch had her on their 2022 death pool?

Utterly shocked by this one. RIP.

God, I really disliked her. May she rest in peace.

John Travolta's having a rough year it seems.

LOL, I meant “Deconstructing Harry”! “Regarding Henry” is that Mike Nichols bomb!

Just call me Larry King!

I thought she was gorgeous when she was younger with long hair. As she got older not so much.

I liked her back before she went nuts and mean. She seemed to have sense of humor back then. I particularly liked her in Look Who's Talking and Madhouse,

Why are so many people shocked? She was elderly and she was grossly obese and had been in poor health for decades.

She was a cunt, but she couldn’t live forever.

I get the snark on this site, etc.. but Jesus. Have a scintilla of compassion, for fucks sake. RIP Kristie.

Will they bury her in a Pier 1 armoire? A very large one, of course.

You people are cruel . That’s not even amusing cunts

Travolta lost ONJ and now Kirstie.

I don’t know why I’m shocked, but I am.

She was great in comedy. Loved her in Drop Dead Gorgeous.

Why, R59… she can’t hear us, now.

Devastated.

I'm going to turn my flameless candle on for her tonight.

r57 I guess people don't realize how old they've gotten are and how old these celebrities are. No one is living forever, make the best of everyday! Cheers is itself is 40 years old.

[quote]she was grossly obese

Oh for fucks sake. She was overweight. She wasn't 500 pounds.

I got news for you. 90 lbs is not an average weight. You bitches would think Audrey Hepburn was plump.

Fat Actress should be a DL classic if it isn’t already.

She was great on Cheers, she certainly understood comedy. And had an exotic beauty, with that amazing, Betty Bacall deep voice. She should have been a bigger star. Unfortunately, coke and crazy got a hold of her. RIP you crazy bitch. What a horrible fall.

I always thought she looked much younger than her age without plastic surgery (or obvious PS). Everyone else from Cheers is still alive, except obviously Coach. I never expected KA to be the first to die from its cast.

She must've thought it could never happen to her, but unfortunately anyone can get cancer at any time. It's like a shitty Wheel of Misfortune.

[quote]She was great on Cheers, she certainly understood comedy. And had an exotic beauty, with that amazing, Betty Bacall deep voice.

And fabulous hair.

I have to say I’m kinda shocked. Yes, she was 71, but still didn’t expect

Not sure,if it’s due to Covid, but it seems people are dying younger

I guess she was cleared to go?

I thought she was so pretty in her Match Game appearance in 1979 (as did Gene Rayburn). Her hair and eyes were beautiful.

Chris pine’s dad Robert is featured in this clip, too.

She was gorgeous when young, and an unhinged psycho on Twitter. When she won an Emmy, she thanked then-husband Frank Hardy, er I mean Parker Stevenson, for giving her "the big one." Travolta brought her into the Scientology fold, and apparently it agreed with her. Probably loved bossing around Sea Org.

She gained a ton of weight, then lost it, then gained it all back with more to spare. After Cheers, she starred on a sitcom that was successful enough to last four seasons, but is virtually forgotten today. I would tell you which one, but I've forgotten it.

She was cray-zee.

71 is actually young to die these days. This isn’t 1950. People live much longer now.

My sister and watched the Look Who's Talking films obsessively as a child (looking back, they were NOT appropriate for our age group.. I think our mum just thought, "Oh, they're watching cute films about talking babies" and left us to it). Kirstie was fantastic in those films. I'm surprised she wasn't a bigger star.

Was Veronica's Closet any good? I remember there being a lot of hype around it, but I never watched it.

R77 Veronica’s Closet? It was a big hit then fizzled by season 3.

She made millions off of that shown

Read between the lines on this tweet. She told us she had 3 doctors, including a cancer doctor, none of whom got the vaccine. Very sad to hear she's gone.

I can separate the late life asshole from the performer. She made me laugh.

[quote] She was great in comedy. Loved her in Drop Dead Gorgeous.

I disliked her as a person because of the Scieno crap. But, she was very good comedic performer and Drop Dead Gorgeous is one of my favorite black comedy movies.

R15, she and Parker Stevenson adopted 2 kids while they were married, after she had a miscarriage.

Parker used her.

Is she in scientology heaven?

Around 17 minutes in Kirstie gets introduced and Gene gets his creep on lol.

Several years back, Kirstie's daughter's fiance was riding motorcycle in LA somewhere was hit by a car driven by Jesse Tyler Ferguson's husband

all trash, R90

I was not expecting this at all. She was great on Cheers. RIP.

I thought I dreamed the film Toothless, but apparently not:

I thought Scientologists don't get things like cancer??

This makes me think Suzanne Somers and Linda Evans will be heading for the finish line next.

Predictions for the next two celeb deaths- Lisa Whelchel and Eva Marie Saint.

She was really off the radar because TMZ didn't report it first.

R94 Karen Black was a Scientologist and she died of ampullary cancer in 2013.

R95 I think you're right about Suzanne - her last videos have been a bit... off.

I'll never forgive her for joining Scientology. She said it stopped her coke addiction. But she just substituted one drug for another. Poor women needed help and the cult snapped her up. Ugh.

Even though I think those death pools are ghoulish, I had Yoko Ono. She’s still kicking.

[quote]I get the snark on this site, etc.. but Jesus. Have a scintilla of compassion, for fucks sake. RIP Kristie.

At least spell her name right, for fucks sake.

Are you Rhea Perlman, r17?

[quote]Was Veronica's Closet any good?

No.

[quote} Travolta lost ONJ and now Kirstie.

Uma Thurman, you danger in girl.

[quote] "She was really off the radar because TMZ didn't report it first."

Everytime TMZ doesn't get it first, an angel gets its wings, R97. FUCK Harvey Levin.

Well, Look who’s no longer talking

Hidden in plain sight all along. She said she was seeing cancer specialists and apparently no one thought anything of it.

R101: "Even though I think those death pools are ghoulish, I had Yoko Ono. She’s still kicking."

Yes and that really disappoints me.

[quote] Oh for fucks sake. She was overweight. She wasn't 500 pounds.

Was she as big as Brendan Fraser?

God, that's sad. Conservatives kill themselves over nothing.

Her acting underwhelmed me and her politics made me retch.

But I don't wish cancer on anyone. Rest in peace.....bitch.

71 is incredibly young. I don’t know what happened to her in the last few years, but this is really sad. I’ll never forget being in the dentist’s office and he was more focused on watching Kirstie Alley on Oprah than on my teeth. Nate Berkus was on and redoing Kirstie’s kitchen with Granny Smith Green Apple colored tiles. Anyway, she gone too soon and I’m sorry for her and her family.

[quote] Predictions for the next two celeb deaths- Lisa Whelchel and Eva Marie Saint.

Just one more. We already had the death of Sesame Street’s Bob McGrath.

[Quote] Definitely did not see that one coming.

How could you miss her?

Kirstie Alley, then and in later years. Rest In Peace.

You can smoke, drink, and eat shitty food all your life and still never get cancer. And on the other hand, you can take care of yourself, eat healthy all your life, and still get cancer and die. It's such a scary and horrible thing that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

One of my friends went to the emergency room because he had breathing problems. They did some investigating, and they found stage four cancer throughout his organs. He died two days later.

He never knew there was cancer in his body.

She always seemed to have a weight problem in the last years of her life.

Can we take her body to the Genesis Planet and bring her back?

Or will she look like Robin Curtis?

[quote]you have serious problems if someone’s voting history means you don’t care they died to cancer.

Nice try at reducing supporting fascism to "voting history." She was a Trump supporter and a Scientologist. So, twice the crazy. That doesn't mean I was wishing her dead.

I remember when she first came onto the scene. Memory serving, she played Virgilia in the 1983/84? mini series North and South as a northern abolitionist who marries a character being played by George Stanford Brown, maybe? Patrick Swayze as Orry Main??? Liz Taylor played a ho house Madam. It's streaming free somewhere. Tubi, maybe.

Anyway, I liked her work. She's transitioned over now.

She was actually really good in the other thing she won an Emmy for, "David's Mother," and that wasn't comedy at all. (Also she beat out some pretty impressive names for the Emmy, though I forget who exactly.)

She is in the arms of Xenu.

I don't know her.

[quote]71 is incredibly young

Yeah, if you're Estelle Parsons.

I love the movie she made with John Laroquette, MADHOUSE. Too fucking funny.

$cientology Kills.

And Keanu still walks among us

So disappointed. I looked at Wikipedia and no one has edited her article to read "She was a fat heinous cunt."

Now, she’ll never again experience “the big one”.

R130 = Matthew Perry

[quote]And on the other hand, you can take care of yourself, eat healthy all your life, and still get cancer and die.

Yeah you can. Lets also not forget that she was NOT a healthy person overall. She had been overweight for the majority of the last 20 years.

[quote]I can separate the late life asshole from the performer.

Funny how DL can do this for old white Republican women. But for everyone else, tough shit.

Good!

I liked her in a lot of films, but my favourite is Sibling Rivalry. I like that she was unashamedly crazy and outspoken about her weight. An amazing head of hair.

I can finally stop paying the fat cunt alimony.

R119 that's really scary

R137 huh? She had to pay him. Idiot.

Was she broke?

“Alley's last Instagram video was posted in September when she announced that was joining Cameo and fans could request "funny or sincere" messages from her using the platform. Her Cameo page has since been taken down.”

In related news, House of Pies has filed for bankruptcy.

"you have serious problems if someone’s voting history means you don’t care they died to cancer."

No, most of us just refuse to support fascism and murderous cults.

Kirstie was one of the most talented sitcom actresses ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs..

R119, Unfortunately, that happens often. A coworker in his twenties left work early one Friday afternoon with a fever and died two days later from “undiagnosed leukemia”.

R144- Honestly that is much more merciful than a long, lingering death, imo.

Goodnight, my love. Say hello to Diana for me?

I wonder if this will affect her attendance on the Star Trek cruise?

This movie was fantastic. Cheesy, corny, campy and hilarious

Pity her pallbearers.

Regarding the friend who unknowingly had Stage 4 cancer and died within days of diagnosis:

DL doctors or nurses, is this something that would show up on routine bloodwork at some point? If a person has a checkup every six months, can they still be ravaged with cancer throughout the body and the doctor totally miss it?

I have health anxiety and stuff like this scares the shit out of me.

I think I may check that one out R148. Thanks.

Pity her pallbearers.

[quote] pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart

Thank you, R143, for your kind thoughts… and your similar thoughts about Judy Garland, Joan Fontaine, Damon Albarn, and Dr Crippen.

R149- Damn autocorrect.

[quote] I wonder if this will affect her attendance on the Star Trek cruise?

Burial at sea.

I'd completely forgotten that I actually do LOVE one thing she did and did fabulously.

THE SWAN ATE MY BABY!

A recent video announcing she’d be on Cameo.

Beautiful and funny!

She was beautiful and funny until she became a miserable cunt! Maybe she was suffering from a thetan imbalance.

[quote]r69 “Fat Actress” should be a DL classic if it isn’t already.

I agree. I loved that show. It’s structured kind of like “The Comeback,” but isn’t as poignant.

Some of it really made me laugh.

I knew someone who died of cancer and doesn't know it!

what kind of cancer?

When is the estate sale?

Partnered with Lucy on “Password Plus”.

what is her ex doing now?

She demonized democrats on her Twitter. It would be very hypocritical and disingenuous of me to say I liked her and thought she was a good person. I didn't like her because I think people like her are destroying our country by voting in fascist people who tried to overthrow our democracy and they are still trying. I did not wish her dead, however.

she had very nice thick hair.

Another co-star gone...sigh.

I loved her character on Cheers!

I feel sorry for her family, but I care more about Bob McGrath, a true gentleman and very good person.

Was your stepdad a ugly fat culty cunt or is that just you R140?

Holy shit R160 That episode begins with her sobbing on the floor groaning "I'm dying, I'm dying!"

I remember liking that show when it came out, it was original.

Well, this was completely out of left field. And also, I didn't realize she was almost 20 years older than me.

I hated her so-called religion and her ignorant politics but I enjoyed her on TV and in movies. I liked her so much better than Shelley Long. And she was beautiful. But her being dead means one less vote for Republicans so that’s one good thing. RIP and fuck cancer.

R173- I thought she was on her late 60's.

R175 late 60s isn’t much younger than early 70s.

Doesn’t her crackpot religion have her some kind of afterlife where she can keep on supporting Trump?

I thought she was around mid 60s age. Hated her politics and religion. Certainly didn't wish her dead. She must have had a pretty aggressive cancer.

Good.

R177- Idk, I think they believe they will live in a volcano in the afterlife... Or something. Scientology is insane.

Who gets the "Cheers monies and the syndications rights" to the show

She got a little wackadoodle about the Trump shit, but I would never hold her religion against her. I think Scientology is silly, but it's no more silly than Christianity. One has spaceships and thetans, the other has virgin births, raptures, and a whole host of other crazy. And they both have a bunch of shady practices and schemes for money grabs.

She was fat but she looked good for 71

She was gorgeous when she made Wrath of Khan. She reminded me of Meg Foster.

She was also hilarious on Cheers.

Too bad she became such a wingnut.

I loved her on cheers and thought she was beautiful. It’s a shame she became such a cooze

I thought she was an unhinged nut. I also think people espousing the things she did is harmful to others essentially. But I never wish someone dead. Even Trump- a stroke maybe- financial ruin, but not cancer.

The GOP and those who support their most rabid are doing great harm to the world.

I think CHEERS producers were on her about her weight and was a massive 138 lbs.

I think she said that once.

She cured me of my McKenzie-Childs affliction. I wanted an old victorian springed foot rest.

That bitch had at least eight packed into her loonybin cottage.

R186- I wish him dead. A lingering, painful death. But not KA. She seemed to be a very gullible women and I suspect it was easy for the cult to gaslight her. She traded her addiction for a cult life.

138 lbs for a 5'7" woman is not huge at all.

118.1 lbs - 159.6 lbs is considered normal weight for 5'7".

So many Hollywood actresses were/are put through the ringer about their weight. That's why we have the Anya Taylor-Joys who go to the other extreme.

It's the same as Sarandon. My appreciation of their work is so colored now by their idiotic views.

R190- It has just destroyed many women. Judy Garland being one of the most tragic in my opinion because she was given diet pills ( amphetamines) as a very young child. That was criminal.

[quote] I would never hold her religion against her.

Is Scientology a religion? They somehow hit the jackpot and scored tax status as a church. That's why they lie low on lawsuits. They don't want their tax-exempt status fucked with.

Also, what about religions that create a sin out of being gay? Is that also off the table?

The two things I remember the most about her are her 1991 Emmy speech:

[quote]and I wanted to thank my husband and I didn’t want to thank him like ‘you know I really love him and everything’ so I’d like to thank my husband, Parker, the man who has given me the big one for the last 8 years.

and the episode of Cheers when she hid a lit cigarette in her mouth

I don't know her.

R193, it qualifies as do Mormons and the rest. Yes, the designation is abused by many. That whole issue is old and was solved thousands of years ago They were taxed.

R197- Who was taxed?

Scientology isn’t a religion. It isn’t even classified as such.

R199- Isn't it? The Church of Scientology? It is a lie because they believe in aliens or sone such science fiction but they claim to be a religion in order to receive tax breaks. It's in the name, ffs. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Am curious of what the specialists say about r150’s question.

[quote]She seemed to be a very gullible women and I suspect it was easy for the cult to gaslight her.

She left her home town in Kansas very specifically to join Scientology. This was in the 1970s, when they were recruiting a lot of disaffected teens and young people. She may have been easy to convince, but this was a woman who had exposure to a lot of non-Scientology opinions, facts, and news over the years, and chose to ignore it.

Scientology got her the game show gigs and some of her first acting jobs, and she always seemed grateful.

R200 them calling it a church doesn’t make it a religion. It’s never been classified as anything more than a “belief”. It isn’t recognized as a religion anywhere in the world.

I went out to her Twitter and saw two people I follow followed Kirstie: George Shapiro and Judy Tenuta. All dead. Jeez.

R194, I also remember a Barbara Walters interview a little while after that Emmy speech where Barbara asked her what she meant by “the big one,” and Kirstie said, “I meant the big one.”

FUCK YOU, BLOSSOM!!!

R203- I am not disputing what you say, I am just a bit confused about how they get a tax break if they deny being a religion. The IRS is corrupt. You never see them go after these rich evangelical churches either. They use them to financially back certain political candidates. This country is rotten to the core.

The good die young.

She wasn't so young.

I always wondered if she meant Parker's big cock or Parker giving her big orgasms. I mean, either is admirable. You can have a big cock and not necessarily know how to use it effectively.

[quote]I'll never forgive her for joining Scientology. She said it stopped her coke addiction.

Well, if she was saying she joined the Clams after she became an actress, she was lying. She was a member of one of the small regional Scieno outposts in Wichita back in the very early 1970s when she was in college. They made enough money in Wichita that in the mid 1990s they opened a huge temple (or whatever they call it) and Kirstie came out to celebrate the opening.

r207, only certain specific entities within the church are tax exempt. It gives the Clams overall tax exemption, for the most part, but technically it's only smaller sub-entities within the church that have individual tax exemptions. I think it's something like 150 entities.

What happened is that they lost their original tax-exempt status from the IRS, then sued for decades. For some reason the Bush I administration started negotiations with them, which lasted until the Clinton administration, where they ended up paying some back taxes and the IRS in return gave these smaller entities within the church tax-exempt status. Everything was sealed by the IRS until someone leaked it all in the late 1990s.

Those little entities are the "churches" in the eyes of the IRS, while the overall Clam org is not. It's a loophole in their favor.

Is Parker the father of her children? Idk she had children.

Yes r212 but the kids are adopted.

Scieno is wacky and criminal for the way they prey on the vulnerable for cash. But so do all religions.

My local news bumper VO just said re Alley, "Remembering a comic pioneer..." Pioneer of what?

News now is just one big cliche after another. Seriously, what happened to actual writers?

I had forgotten about that scene R195. They didn’t show how she flipped the cigarette into her mouth. It looks difficult to do!

More Cheers…..

When I think of her on Cheers two things come to mind. First, the first time she enters the bar and meets Sam, during her first episode, and an episode where she’s trapped in some old man’s closet for like hours or days.

It’s been a hard year for Travolta, huh?

Nasty fat Trumptard cultist cunt is DEAD TO ME

Fixed for OP

Sorry I just jumped to post, but the the Scio cult and their suspicion of medicine has to be partially responsible for this. The yo-yo dieting couldn't have helped. But I loved her earlier stuff (Summer School) that was total fluff but this is a shock.

Not a 'she unexpectedly passed at age 79' kind of mock-shock.

I forgot her and Jonathan Knight were so close. I always found their very close friendship so random.

R221 why didn’t you tell me Mark Harmon was in that movie? Woof!

Melissa Gilbert

JLC

This one hurts

(not really, but why do people always say that about celebrities?)

Addicts often have to replace one focus with another and sometimes it's religion.

Many Scienos in notable fields also seem to be closet cases that use the "mind over matter" aspects of Scieno to "change."

Has Susan Dey commented?

Wait, didn't she have a few million years left on her billion-year $cientology contract?

Bill her estate for the remainder of her contractual service!

Yay! Bye fat cunt.

R228- No. That bitch.

R229- Anyone want to guess about how much of her money they got?

If this doesn't get goddamn Deidre Hall to wear a fucking ribbon, then I don't know what will.

I'm sorry to hear this. I liked her as an actress even if she did seem like a crazy bitch. RIP

[quote]What happened is that they lost their original tax-exempt status from the IRS, then sued for decades. For some reason the Bush I administration started negotiations with them

Weren't they harassing, terrorizing, and possibly blackmailing specific personnel within the IRS to get the outcome they desired? That's the version I've read or heard in various Scientology exposés. They went as far as killing people's pets.

As far as Alley goes, I realize that when someone dies, no matter how awful they were for decades, we're supposed to say something like "I may not have agreed with (blah, blah), but (something good). Rest in peace." Alley's acting career long ago became a precursor to her bullying on behalf of the abusive cult to which she had yoked herself, and then her MAGA/antivax trolling. Having never even enjoyed her displays of manic, sloppy desperation on Cheers, where I preferred Shelley Long, I don't even have many happy memories of her acting to provide balanc. So I can't squeeze out a single perfect tear.

She was perfect in the underappreciated satire "Drop Dead Gorgeous"

She was fantastic as Saavik in Star Trek2: The Wrath of Khan'.

71 is still a baby for Golden Girls watching DLers. Jesus fuck.

I don't know why but there has been a disheartening uptick in cancer deaths among my friends, colleagues and acquaintances. Last week, a death not even from the cancer but due to chemo. It seems mirrored in celebrity deaths, although the celebrities are older than my social/professional network. In 2022, I'd expect way more progress in cancer prevention and treatment than is presently available. Why is this disease so hard to cure, or treat?

R212 I thought she couldn't have children because of a miscavige.

R236 “I daresay there may have been much that was good in [Kirstie Alley],” she thought, “that we knew nothing about.”

R236- That was very informative about cult and the IRS. I was unaware of a battle between the two. In always assumed they had the IRS on their payroll or under their control through blackmail and threats, just as they do LE in Florida. Very interesting. I also preferred Shelly Long. I stopped watching when she left.

I liked the Diane Chambers’ seasons of Cheers more than the Rebecca seasons.

So the Uptown Girl is dead, has Billy Joel commented yet?

R244- That proposal from Sam was hilarious. 🤣

[quote] I forgot her and Jonathan Knight were so close. I always found their very close friendship so random.

Very random. Is he a Scieno, too?!

Well, this has quite taken the wind out of the death sails of Bob McGrath.

R248- He seemed to be such a gentle soul. RIP.

[quote]Well, Look who’s no longer talking

Okay, this was the best (the only good?) joke in this thread. Nicely done.

Shocked by her death. Many mixed feelings. I wrote her off back when her crazy political views became widely known (“Trump supporter? Well, she’s dead to me now, I guess”), but like others in this thread, I watched the above-referenced film SO many times with my friends when we were kids, she’ll always occupy a certain place in my memory. I was fond of her for a long time.

And yet Rhea Perlman still walks among us?

My parents' friend actually owned the house that was used as the residence for the Leeman house in DDG and met all the actors on set, including KA. My parents, at the time big fans, were excited to hear stories about her but were told that she was very crabby on the day of filming (the rumor is that Alley was a real shrew and generally uncooperative on the entire production of DDG, so it's not entirely surprising) and would only make the smallest of chit chat to come across as polite. She apparently stained their carpeting too. I don't know if the guy still lives in the house but I remember he had a framed photo on the wall of the stain. He did say the gal playing Rebecca, Alley's on-screen daughter (I can't remember her name now) was beautiful and extremely charming and kind. Regardless, she really was a gorgeous woman in her day (those old photos above!), but she definitely had a screw loose that was well-loosened back in the 90s. So sad to hear though, she was very funny.

Never liked her. RIP.

[quote]One of my friends went to the emergency room because he had breathing problems. They did some investigating, and they found stage four cancer throughout his organs. He died two days later. He never knew there was cancer in his body.

I just know this is going to be my fate, too. I thought the same thing when it happened to Dustin Diamond. I’ve always had that vibe about me, that tragedy.

I liked "Veronica's Closet." I didn't actually find Dan Cortese attractive on the show but I remember the episode where Maxwell Caulfied guested as a stripper.

She had glorious hair.

Huh. I thought cocaine would be a preservative.

Alley said that unlike several other Cheers stars, she would never guest-star on Frasier because it had two psychiatrists as the main characters, and Scientologists consider psychiatrists to be akin to the architects of the Holocaust. She was willing to do Cheers, because Frasier was just a supporting character there (and, I suspect, because her career needed the boost in 1987), but she would never do Frasier.

When contacted, Frasier co-creator and executive producer David Lee responded, "I don't recall asking."

What a cunt RIP

R257, No, I believe you are thinking of heroin.

[quote]If this doesn't get goddamn Deidre Hall to wear a fucking ribbon, then I don't know what will.

Okay this was funny too.

R261- It made me laugh too, 😆.

Say what you will about cancer, but it's a great diet.

One more Angel in heaven to cheer on Donald Trump.

KA was very engaging with her followers on Twitter. Her tweets from The last few months are all positive, no politics.

The son is kind of trashy cute.

Don't give a flying fuck about the religion. She was great.

She was a hateful fat cunt. Glad she's dead.

Wow. I had no idea she had cancer.

I used to be a fan & liked her on DWTS, but since Trump was elected she was very positive about him & even appeared to side against Ukraine when the war started (Maksim even scolded her for this).

[quote]KA was very engaging with her followers on Twitter. Her tweets from The last few months are all positive, no politics.

Maybe she knew she was soon going to drop her body, as they put in her religion's parlance. And it would be landing with a thud.

[Quote] He did say the gal playing Rebecca, Alley's on-screen daughter (I can't remember her name now) was beautiful and extremely charming and kind.

That would be Denise Richards.

Scientology's "Bridge to Total Freedom" leads to a premature death? How not so weird.

So, Shannen Doherty remains alive even after those people who are diagnosed decades after her? If you get cancer in Ka you definitely want to go to Shannon and Olivia’s doctor, not Kirstie’s.

*LA.

This was my favorite role of hers. Ingenious.

Has Jameson Parker Stevenson commented yet?

Tough to get around her political views and religion. On the plus side, Kirstie was for gay marriage and gave us many great hours of entertainment. She was a talented, comedic actress. Her kids seem to have loved her. That says something about her.

Anyone remember how pretty she was in Star Trek? She had unique looks. Sadly, lost both parents in an automobile accident after she started her acting career.

But she had the ULTIMATE training to evade cancer! As Scientology told her and probably kept her from getting life-saving treatments. Scientology kills and we're upon a near three decade death of the innocent, Lisa McPherson, caught up in the cult and paid with her life.

[QUOTE]In 2018, we reported that one of Scientology’s own publications had revealed that Alley had reached the ultimate auditing level on the “Bridge to Total Freedom,” which is known as Operating Thetan Level Eight, or “OT 8.” The magazine included this quote from the actress about attaining a level that gave her power over “matter, energy, space, and time.”

[QUOTE]Now here I stand a New OT VIII shiny, fresh and calm… well, as calm as a thetan like me can be. I am more confident than ever before. And here’s the big news. I now fully have the confront that puts me right up that damn confront scale with other Scientology Freedom Fighters!

Kirstie smoked cigarettes. Don't smoke people, says the overweight guy. I don't type fat, though because I'm dieting (through the fucking holidays).

Back when Kirstie and Leah were on speaking terms, they made this extremely funny episode of King Of Queens together.

Shouldn’t Scientology have predicted her cancer and cured it? What’s the use of going Clear if it’s not going take care of all those little things? I guess she didn’t give them enough money for the full package? Good news is though Elizabeth Moss should be immortal.

They get into Scientology to make it as actors. One hand washes the other. Hard to escape without being blackballed. Would we even know the names Tom Cruise or Elizabeth Moss, if it weren't for the cult's involvement in their careers.

[quote]Weren't they harassing, terrorizing, and possibly blackmailing specific personnel within the IRS to get the outcome they desired? That's the version I've read or heard in various Scientology exposés. They went as far as killing people's pets.

That's very likely, r236. Back in the days of Usenet in the mid 1990s, I was on a Scientology expose newsgroup and two people had their pets killed for what they had publicly revealed.

Also, the Clams had a bunch of members infiltrate US government jobs in the 1970s via Operation Snow White and Operation Cat, and probably others. They planted false documents and also purged documents about the Scienos being a scam.

Operation Cat was organized and run by Neil Gaiman's dad. There used to be a great Wikipedia article on Operation Cat but I see it's been removed. Shocking. Oh, wait, that's not shocking at all.

“Fettuccine!”

Hopefully Kirstie didn't die in blackface like her mother. (That comment has probably already been made, but she mentions it and laughs in the Baba Wawa interview below.) She also had a framed B&W pic of another woman on her bedroom dresser...Baba asked if it was her mum, and Kirstie--who demanded to do the interview with Baba in her bedroom--said it was the pic that came with the frame and the woman looked sweet." RIP, Cray-Cray Kirstie.

[quote]She was fantastic as Saavik in Star Trek2: The Wrath of Khan'.

I agree. She was pretty good in 'The Wrath of Khan'. The film had a lot of strengths and is widely considered the best of the original Star Trek films.

Was she strictly dickly?

[quote]Would we even know the names Tom Cruise or Elizabeth Moss, if it weren't for the cult's involvement in their careers.

Cruise's, for sure. He was brought into the fold by his first wife, second-generation Scientologist Mimi Rogers (who has since severed ties with the cult; Miscavige reportedly always disliked her). Cruise and Rogers didn't begin dating until 1985. By then, he already had had supporting parts in films directed by Zeffirelli, Coppola, and Ridley Scott, besides his star-making film Risky Business. I don't know whether he had signed for Top Gun (released in 1986) yet, but he was already one of the young Hollywood stars.

Only Kirstie's mom died in the car accident. Her dad lived until 2007.

[quote]supporting parts in films directed by Zeffirelli, Coppola, and Ridley Scott

I shouldn't have had "supporting" there, as he was the lead in the Scott film.

R283, do you remember when their lawyer tried to literally erase the Scientology newsgroup with a cancel (rmgroup) Unix command? Back then pulling that kind of shit was grounds for getting booted from your internet provider.

I do, r291! It was up to individual Usenet providers as to whether they accepted commands like that or not, but they usually didn't because bad actors were forever trying rmgroup commands, or to cancel comments they didn't like.

What was funny about that was the Scienos were saying they hadn't been trying to take the group down at all, then an attorney does that and they weren't able to deny it any longer.

First saw her in Star Trek II when I was a kid and always had a soft spot for her in spite of her latter day beliefs. Cancer is a fucking hideous thing (and I speak as someone currently battling it). RIP.

R293 “Latter Day beliefs?” She was Mormon too?

JFC, I can't wait for all you vile marxist bitches to die. Luckily the world will get rid of you soon. And it will be a slow and painful death for you.

R.I.P. Kirstie

Am I making this up, or did she have some kind of exotic bird or animal menagerie in her backyard? I feel like this was part of a TV special.

I'm sure Kristie would have appreciated the RIP wishes from the insane person at R298.

Kirstie had a menagerie of parrots in order to justify getting an unnecessary nose job once one of them bit her nose. One of the parrots was actually the one I had trained to bite Tori.

[quote]I'm sure Kristie would have appreciated the RIP wishes from the insane person at R298.

Sorry, that should have been R295.

She had good taste in men, married to Parker and later engaged to James Wilder.

Jesse Tyler Ferguson’s husband got away with killing Kirstie’s daughter’s fiancé.

Oh my god.

NVM. I answered my own question.

I admit I laughed my ass off at this scene.

"what are you, lesbo"?

Is it still unacceptable to be gay in Scoentology?

Not sad. Less Scientology in the world is cause to rejoice!

You either support democracy or you support Trump. Every trmp voter deserves a painful death from cancer. Fuck you Kristi alley

R295 see R307, then fuck off.

Trump will do the eulogy. Ted Nugent will sing Amazing Grace. John Travolta will do an interpretive dance. And Deep South Crane & Rigging will carry the casket.

There's question whether real medical treatment was postponed in favor of Scientology approved "treatment" (i.e. auditing).

Belongs in the "I owe my career to my hair" thread.

A complete mess in her personal / political life, but a great head of hair and I always have a soft spot for her because family grew up with her childrens movie 'Tooth Fairy' on VHS, and watched it dozens of times. It's a bit of a surprising death to me because she was on the Masked Singer fairly recently in what looked like a hot and heavy costume and was moving around decently.

Yes she was good on Cheers and Look Who's Talking, but this will always be the best 12 seconds of her career:

Denise Richards is the Susan Dey in this death. Kirstie played her mum in 'Drop Dead Gorgeous', but Denise is too busy posing on OnlyFans with her daughter.

I liked her weird raspy voice

My favorite performance by Kirstie.

Kirstie did some good work in Profoundly Normal alongside Delroy Lindo.

I watched DROP DEAD GORGEOUS in her honor last night. If you haven't watched it in awhile, do, it holds up well.

This photo, originally posted upthread, is quite prescient; the two other women featured on the cover with Kirstie eventually died of cancer too….

She's with me now

Did anyone else watch "Kirstie Alley's Big Life" she was such a train wreak in that reality show.

Where is Parker's Big One these days?

Parker and Shaun both had serious sizemeats. Oh, to be a member of the crew of the Hardy Boys!

I never watched Veronica's Closet. Was it any good?

R322 if you liked SUDDENLY, SUSAN and CAROLINE IN THE CITY, I guess it didn’t suck.

A shock to me. I found out this morning on GMA and was like....huh?? Politics aside, she was very funny. RIP..

Did anyone mention how like that chick that got hit by Axl Rose's microphone in Australia had like the same name as kirstie's character from cheers?

I loved Kathy Najimy as the kooky Lebanese chick best friend on Veronica's Closet.

When will you bitches learn that Xenu is the villain in Scientology?

She did gave a great head of hair...gorgeous.

*have^^

Yashar Ali, who has had his own run-ins with Scientology:

Despite all she did to recruit people into Scientology and keep them in, David Miscavige did not like Kirstie.

And I can promise you the fact that she got cancer made him dislike her even more.

He saw her as aberrated.

This is what Scientology is and this is who Miscavige is.

Disappointed no one has made the Larry King tribute post

Was she still a great big fat person? RIP.

[quote] Scientology isn’t a religion. It isn’t even classified as such.

Is is classified as such by the US government and anything can claim to be a religion.

[R57] I guess people don't realize how old they've gotten are and how old these celebrities are.

Oh dear.

Can someone answer my question. Can you be a gay scientologist?

Scientology should be classified as an insidious cult as it is in various other parts of the world R333.

No R335.

[quote] John Travolta Remembers Kirstie Alley After Her Death: 'One of the Most Special Relationships'

Oh shit, that fat bitch? She died?

Sucks to be her.

Remember when Jamie Foxx was tapping that?

Foxx has no taste.

I loved that Parker always called her "Back" Alley.

Well she was pretty old.

You only like her because of Perry

OMG!

John Travolta starred with her in his comeback movie "Look Who's Talking" and he starred with Olivia Newton-John in "Grease."

Both died of cancer in the same year.

John = Kiss of death

R345 if you are an attractive white woman it seems to be a curse to befriend or fuck John Travolta.

Some say scientologists practice sacrifices.

John's wife died of cancer, too.

It was colon cancer.

Oh brother. So she wasn't getting colonoscopies I'm guessing?

Why???

Growing up, I loved the Olsen twins' "It Takes Two" and loved Kirstie as the social worker/mother figure in it. She and Natasha Richardson in "The Parent Trap" were my two favorite film mothers. And now they're both dead.

R316 R317 The fat ole bitch still has fat old groupies . Who knew.

It was another one of those situations where they took great writing and the performer more than brought it to life. The Rebecca pivot was probably one of the most successful - and original - character replacements in TV. She was a stark contrast when the character first arrived, but when they realized how well Alley could play calamitous loser, the part really took off and I think it re-energized the show and gave it an even longer run than it might have enjoyed otherwise. At a minimum it wasn't "the show never really recovered from the loss of Shelley Long."

I didn't realize how asymptomatic colon cancer is until the very late stages.

I worked as crew on that awful “comedy” she did with the equally horrible Tim Allen. One day I ended up being hustled into a van to another location with her in the front seat. A highlight of it was her yelling on the phone “You better make sure that f****t gets none of mt goddamn property. He can sleep in a fucking trailer and eat my shit for breakfast!” What a charmer.

R354, Some just ignore obvious symptoms. Tammy Faye admitted that she bled rectally for a year before she consulted a physician.

House of Pies has lost a valued customer.

[quote] Growing up, I loved the Olsen twins' "It Takes Two" and loved Kirstie as the social worker/mother figure in it. She and Natasha Richardson in "The Parent Trap" were my two favorite film mothers. And now they're both dead.

I was 10 when that movie came out and I saw it in the theaters. I remember some reviews of it years later when I was a teenager or college student where it was called a Parent Trap rip off, but I thought it was more The Parent Trap meets Prince and the Pauper type scenario. Kirstie was great at playing a very loving mother figure type and Steve Guttenberg was believable as a rich guy who still remained humble.

R355 Many Scieno members use the program to try to program themselves.....and a lot of them are gay/lesbian who try to have "mind over matter."

Not that I'm talking about anyone specific TAMMY CRUISE by mentioning this.

R274 different cancers affect different people differently. Shannen has stage 4 but it’s not aggressive. Kirstie must have had an aggressive case

As women gain weight, they get more Republican. And their hair gets bigger.

Too bad Kirstie won't be able to play Sarah Huckabeast Sanders in a miniseries.

R355, omg. Who is the faggot you think she was referring to. Fuck this fat ho.

[quote]Will they bury her in a Pier 1 armoire? A very large one, of course.

If they will, I hope she pre-planned, as Pier 1 had been out of business for several years now.

Pier, omg. I forgot this fat cow used to do those commercials. Lol.

Has Shelly Miscavige commented?

R359- Like those two Scientology HOMOS John Travolta and Tom Cruise.

Her brain predeceased her.

[quote]Her brain predeceased her.

Also her heart, and she had sold her soul to the Scientos long ago.

I always got lezzie vibes, which tracks with being a Clam.

RIP

R370- Total DYKE

Sigourney Weaver and Glen Close I always read as Lesbian as well.

And the nominees are...

Joanne Woodward, “Breathing Lessons,” CBS

Kirstie Alley, “David’s Mother,” CBS

Bette Midler, “Gypsy,” CBS

Helen Mirren, “Prime Suspect 3,” PBS

Jessica Tandy, “To Dance With the White Dog,” CBS

The FACT of things is that when $cientology's religious status was under review/scrutiny by the Feds and IRS, the cult blasted the government with so many lawsuits that the IRS et al. finally had to let the matter go. They didn't have the resources or will to combat what was the equivalent of a litigational drone attack so massive it was choking the court system.

THAT'S the kind of religion the $cios are. And that's the kind of rotten cult that Kirstie Allie plugged herself into, as she nastily "defended" "her church" as if it wasn't the pyramid scheme and demented, corrupt, inhuman and false construct of lazy babble that it is.

Of COURSE all religions are based on the irrational, unhistorical, unprovable and false. Resurrections, deities, divine intervention, miracles and the rest. All of them. This is not debatable. One has to ask what else do they have, to deserve believers.

$cientology has nothing. Neither does Mormonism. I have never met a member of either who was thoroughly, even irrevocably damaged by their cults. THAT'S WHAT CULTS DO - control, control, control, and using people to serve a few at the top.

She's not quite dead enough, the cunt.

She was a trumpster, hateful cunt. Nuff said.

**BREAKING** The Coroner extracted a 75 lb. 'fatberg' from her colon, nicknamed "The Big One".

In related news, Emmanuel Lewis is missing.

trumpster , anti-vax-$cientologist....

If actors just kept their beliefs to themselves. They get rich and famous and think they are somehow special and elevated...

When John Travolta was 23, he dated Diana Hyland, 41. She died of breast cancer, as well.

"I gave her great joy the last months of her life," he said.

R378- He gave her great joy- She LOVED watching John Travolta give a hot guy a blowjob to completion.

[quote]$cientology has nothing. Neither does Mormonism. I have never met a member of either who was thoroughly, even irrevocably damaged by their cults.

I know you meant "who WASN'T thoroughly, even irrevocably damaged....," so let me fix that for you, and I completely agree with your post. It's infuriating and terrifying that cults like this are allowed to exist under the guise of "religion" -- as bad as religions are to begin with, as you noted.

It's also infuriating and terrifying that so many people seem perfectly willing to downplay or even forgive Alley's toxic, evil craziness just because she is now dead. Even Bruce Vilanch, of all people. Just amazing.

Such a champion of gay rights.

[quote] Tammy Faye admitted that she bled rectally for a year before she consulted a physician.

Who among us can’t say the same thing?

*looks around*

Just me, then?

R363, are you that daft? You can’t tell by the context of the quote?

Here’s a hint: she was divorcing her husband.

She had blood coming out of her wherever.

This scared me so that I just made my appointment with my proctologist. I’m overdue.

[quote]It's also infuriating and terrifying that so many people seem perfectly willing to downplay or even forgive Alley's toxic, evil craziness just because she is now dead.

Terrifying?!?! Take it down a notch or two toots.

R386, if you DON'T think it's terrifying, then YOU are the one who needs to do some serious self-examination. So, somebody who was a virulently homophobic, evil member of a dangerous cult and also a supporter of the traitorous criminal Donald Trump kicks the bucket and, suddenly, people forget about all that and are sad because she died of cancer -- an illness that apparently wasn't revealed previously because the evil cult to which she belongs doesn't really believe in it. If you want to buy into such insane bullshit, you're welcome to it, but count me out.

R387, Love u. Tell em.

R387, all of what you said is true, but as evil as Scientology is, I don’t think they deny cancer exists. Mental illness? For sure.

R385 you'd want to go to a gastroenterologist for a colon exam.

Proctologist is only for the pooper itself.

R389, to clarify, I think you're correct that they don't deny cancer exists, but as others have noted, it seems they REALLY don't like to talk about it or have it reported when one of their clams has it.

R391 It's all because they don't believe in speaking things into existence, which their right. The mind and manifestation are a powerful thing. They don't deny cancer, they just deny the human need to divulge everything and obsess over it. It can weaken the soul.

They think cancer is a sign of weakness.

That's some fucked up shit.

[quote][R386], if you DON'T think it's terrifying, then YOU are the one who needs to do some serious self-examination.

I don't think disagreeing with people politically is terrifying. I don't think Scientology is any worse than Christianity or any other religion or cult or whatever you want to call it. I just think we should reserve words like terrifying for the really big stuff and not some faded actress who lost her mind in her golden years.

But I will agree with one thing, I hate phony displays of sorrow about the dead. If someone was an asshole in real life, don't try and wash that all away because they're dead now. It's ridiculous and hypocritical.

Most people aren't just one thing. Hitler was one thing. Trump was one thing. Kirstie Alley wasn't just one thing. Relax, people.

Fuck all Trump supporters unless their hot and I want to fuck them. I give a pass to regular people. But fuck any multimillionaire supporting Trump. She is a dumb ass bitch; she shoulda been a good hollywood liberal. And it's ok to be a republican just dont support Trump.

Trumpsters. Trumpsters get cancer.

Yashar Ali:

One of the promises that Scientology explicitly makes to members (on paper!) is if you reach the upper levels of Scientology you won't get cancer.

Kirstie Alley and Kelly Preston, two dedicated Scientologists, have both died of cancer in the past two years.

[quote] believe in speaking things into existence, which their right.

Oh, dear!

[quote] unless their hot and I want to fuck them.

Oh, DEAR!!

^R373

I have never met a member of either who was [bold]not[/bold] thoroughly, even irrevocably damaged by their cults.

Ass cancer, right?

She seemed a likely candidate.

If not nominee.

R392, thanks for explaining a pathetic, brainwashed Sciento's view on this, since you are obviously one of them.

"Speaking it into existence?" What complete bullshit.

Christ, there sure are a lot of Frauen and the triple-speaking Church Lady types here.

Including the "conservative gay men and women" who tell people, "How sad your life must be for not believing my crazy position."

In other words, twats or twat-adjacent, educated in the lazy mean-girl schoolyard games and haven't matured a whit since.

[quote] "what kind of cancer?"

It was initially diagnosed as colon cancer.

[quote] "what kind of cancer?"

It was initially diagnosed as colon cancer.

[quote]I don't think disagreeing with people politically is terrifying.

If a person's "political beliefs" include equating homosexuality with pedophilia and continuing to support a President who tried to overthrow the U.S. government, then I think it's truly terrifying -- to say the least -- when that person's "political beliefs" are downplayed or forgotten in the wake of their death.

[quote]I don't think Scientology is any worse than Christianity or any other religion or cult or whatever you want to call it.

I'm strongly against all organized religion, but Scientology is demonstrably far worse than any other religion I know of in several horrible ways, including (1) the way that it keeps the basic tenets of its beliefs (something about how human beings are contaminated by the souls of dead aliens) secret to most of its adherents, and only gradually reveals those tenets to people who give them more and more money; and (2) the way in which it strong-arms its adherents to remove from their lives any friends, family members, or other loved ones who are not adherents.

I can't believe you or anyone else doesn't understand this -- and that, too, is terrifying in my opinion.

[quote] "So the Uptown Girl is dead, has Billy Joel commented yet?"

That song was written about Christie Brinkley. And for the record, I've never heard anything about it being written about Alley, R245.

Olivia, Diana, Kelly... and now Kristie. I guess I'm next.

Unfortunately, she was despicable, but at least she was pathetically messy about it.

[Quote]If they will, I hope she pre-planned, as Pier 1 had been out of business for several years now.

Not quite.

While I can well believe that she didn't have sex with John Travolta or Patrick Swayze, the claim that the "emotional affair" that broke up her marriage didn't involve sex is a bridge too far.

[quote] I loved that Parker always called her "Back" Alley.

I think after she became a big fat person he called her "broadback".

Parker Stevenson didn't remarry until 2018. I wonder how much money he received from the divorce.

I don't know how much he ultimately received although I imagine he got a good chunk of change. But i remember reading his legal filing for support from Kirstie after the divorce. It was very pathetic. He whined that he hadn't and couldn't get any work and needed a certain amount of money from her to live in the style to which he had become accustomed.

Didn't Parker come from a wealthy family?

He studied Architecture at Princeton.

He has had a very spotty career. I only knew him from "Baywatch" and it seems he was only on the first year and then returned for a season or two in the late 1990s. If the genders were switched, no one would complainat his/her demands.

Was Parker involved in the lives of the adopted children after the divorce?

If she had an emotional affair with Patrick Swayze it must have been very soon after Parker Stevenson began giving her "the big one". They married in 1983 and the series came out in 1985.

R418 I think he had joint custody.

Men don't have affairs that don't involve fucking.

I remember enjoying her sitcom "Veronica's Closet," or at least the first (and maybe second) season. I think it was supposed to be a take-off on Victoria's Secrets. Dan Cortese was in it and do was Kathy Najimy. The latter stole many scenes, as she is wont to do.

The idea of hot Parker having a big one makes me chub up even now.

[quote] I think it was supposed to be a take-off on Victoria's Secrets.

Also, water is WET!

Nothing SAD about it. She was a right wing gay hating CUNT

She was a fat evil cunt, just like Trump and DeSantis.

Dont yall think it's crazy that there's an Avril wannabe singing about Victorias secret on top 40 right now, and Kristie dies this year. I'm cray as fuck. Everything is full circle. No coincidences. Time is a flat circle.

Is that a Hal David lyric?

As a Scientologist, she most likely didn't go for colonoscopies every few years, which could have early-detected the problem. Such a ridiculous way of living life (IMO).

In 1995, Liz Montgomery also died of colon cancer weeks after getting the diagnosis at age 62. She was not a Sciento , she had an irrational fear of doctors and doctor's offices - which is why she had never gone for colonoscopies, even though she had 'beaten' cancer in her mid-50s.

Did Chadwick Boseman get early detection? Didn't he live for the better part of a decade?

This probably explains why she waited so long to seek treatment.

R429, Not to mention, surviving a marriage to Gig Young.

[quote]In 1995, Liz Montgomery also died of colon cancer weeks after getting the diagnosis at age 62. She was not a Sciento , she had an irrational fear of doctors and doctor's offices - which is why she had never gone for colonoscopies, even though she had 'beaten' cancer in her mid-50s.

What cancer did she beat in her 50s, R429? I hadn't heard this. She died way too soon.

How did she and Parker produce such a fuggo son?

R434 The son and daughter are both adopted.

[quote]She was a right wing gay hating CUNT

Is that really true R425? Any evidence of her hating gays?

One of her closest friends, Jon Knight, is gay.

Oh dear. Seems like R425 wasn't making it up. She was rabidly homophobic. Well, fuck her then.

More:

Wow, I had no idea she was so homophobic. She turned into a rancid, right-wing troll at the end.

This was definitely a stupid career move now it has nowhere to go but down.

I don't believe in wishing ill on anyone.

Once they're dead.

Dying you mean R441?

Emily Litella at R443?

That photo at R439 seems to have captured every bit of her inner ugliness as expressed in her face. I think that's the only photo of her that should be used going forward.

[quote] I don't believe in wishing ill on anyone. Once they're dead.

People on DL were wishing her ill while she was alive, due to various valid reasons. People die and we can still discuss the shitty things they did and said. She was a public figure and had a platform. We can dispute her BS if we like.

[quote]some faded actress who lost her mind in her golden years

She was like this her whole life, at least since college when she first joined Scientology.

The narrative that she was fine until recently and then went crazy is entirely made up. I don't know where anyone came up with it, and I don't know why it's being taken as gospel here on DL, but she's been a Scientologist since she was 19 or 20.

Even if you didn't know that, surely you remember all the crazy stories about how impossible it was to work with her. She was widely known as a complete asshole to everyone around her by the time of the 3rd "Look Who's Talking" movie. Her behavior was said to have cancelled both "Veronica's Closet" and "Fat Actress."

She and Parker lived LARGE, and in the divorce Parker wanted his BIG FAT SHARE. You can get a taste of their lifestyle here:

Next post is the spoiler....

He "only" got a lump sum payment of 6 mil. HA-HA!

Alley's 1997 divorce from ex-husband Parker Stevenson became fodder for the tabloids when Stevenson sued for spousal support.

Alley was at the height of her career playing Ted Danson's love interest on "Cheers," when she split from her husband of 14 years, Stevenson of "Hardy Boys" and "Baywatch" fame.

In documents that leaked to the press, Stevenson detailed their lavish lifestyle, which included multiple residences with full-time staffs of housekeepers, chefs and nannies; exotic animals for pets, children's birthday parties with marching bands and lavish gifts of Ferraris and sailboats.

In one filing, Stevenson asked for "sufficient support" to "maintain a lifestyle commensurate to that which Kirstie and I had enjoyed during our marriage," including $18,000 a month to pay rent on a home in Bel Air.

Though Stevenson had once enjoyed the spotlight, he claimed that his earnings were only a fraction of what Alley earned and he did not expect to ever approach her income.

Ultimately, he settled for a one-time payout of $6 million, according to Forbes.com.

r449 In the divorce settlement, Kirstie gave Parker "the big one".

"Wow, I had no idea she was so homophobic. She turned into a rancid, right-wing troll at the end."

I could of sworn she was best friends with Jonathan Knight from the band New Kids on the Block and he's openly gay. He even shared a photo and paid tribute to her upon learning of her death.

When John Travolta was 23, he dated Diana Hyland, 41. She died of breast cancer, as well.

"I gave her great joy the last months of her life," he said.

Yikes, so that's 4 women John was close too that died of cancer? Diana, his wife Kelly, Olivia Newton John and now Kirstie Alley. That's a frightening coincidence.

At R448, that's a very interesting document. I don't blame Parker Stevenson for wanting his share in the divorce. I envy the money, but not the lifestyle; it sounded exhausting. Looks like she really spoiled her children with gifts (miniature car & miniature replica boat).

Somebody upthread said the son looked trashy and I'm sorry but he does. All that money to look like this?

I didn't realize that KA made that much money, but it looks like she was also hemorrhaging money with her lifestyle. (Multiple residences with staff, exotic animals, etc.) I'm not surprised she ended up in ... Florida.

I like how the Queerty item at R439 refers to her as a "former actress."

[quote]I'm not surprised she ended up in ... Florida.

Clearwater (Scientologytown, USA), at that.

Yikes. That picture of Parker Stevenson and Shaun Cassidy at R413 looks as though their eyes were drawn in by Margaret Keane.

Also, low cost of living, no state income tax (in Florida). I'm guessing she blew through all her Parker Stevenson era money.

She had bought two acres of waterfront property and was developing her "dream house," she already owned another home in Clearwater, and she had unloaded the Los Angeles place for nearly 8 million. I don't think she chose Florida because she was in straitened financial conditions. I think she chose it because, having whined herself out about not getting acting roles anymore (for whatever reasons: too old, too fat, too MAGA, too antivax), she accepted there was no need for her to be in Los Angeles anymore. Proximity to studios and friends within the entertainment business wasn't exactly a factor. No one was casting her, and she had burned a lot of bridges.

She concluded it was better to be spend the rest of her days among own kind, and there was nowhere better for that than the town Miscavige and Co. have thoroughly taken over.

Ashamedly, I watched the entire season of 'Celebrity Big Brother' that she was on in the UK (maybe in 2019?). She was a last-minute replacement for Stormie Daniel's, and they had done up the poolhouse in a White House theme specifically for Stormie. So the correlation was supposed to be that Trumpster Kirstie took her place...a far stretch, but Kirstie was actually a lot of fun on the show and never talked politics unless one of the other housemates asked her. (And even then, she kept it brief with no rants.) Makes me wonder if she just enjoyed sitting behind the keyboard or phone and ranting. She couldn't do that in the CBB house, obviously.

R459 here...Stormey Daniels. Stupid autocorrect. The other interesting thing about Kirstie on CBB is that none of them really knew about her Tweeting until being told by the producers. They only knew her from 'Cheers'.

Radar Online has an article up that makes it sound like she alienated just about everyone in the last few years and was really communicating with a few hired staff.

"Kirstie Alley was a shell of her former self in the final years before she died at the age of 71, RadarOnline.com has learned.

In 2020, sources revealed the former Cheers star’s behavior had gotten “goofier” with Alley picking fights and bickering about everything from world events to who ate the last cupcake.

“She’s constantly bent out of shape, letting everything upset her, and making calls at all hours to complain about the people who’ve wronged her, real or imagined,” said a source.

The actress became more of a reclusive, sources spilled. “She has a housekeeper and a gardener who she communicates with — but other than that she doesn’t see much of anyone anymore,” said the source.

“The fear is she’s having a midlife meltdown brought on by loneliness and seclusion,” an insider revealed. The source added Kirstie “had a group of young hangers-on who would visit her, but even they’ve drifted away because of her” behavior changes."

I hope her kin shaved her of that that incredible head of hair before burial, for to buy a watchchain or some Christmas shoes.

[quote]“The fear is she’s having a midlife meltdown brought on by loneliness and seclusion,”

71 is considered "midlife" now?

My mom has the same behaviors (and is 72) described in R461 . Doctor's call it Schizophrenia.

That's what I thought too R463.

[quote]I hope her kin shaved her of that that incredible head of hair before burial

Not to mention the moustache.

Does death negate Parker's NDA?

[quote] I could of sworn

I could HAVE sworn

R452 it's not a coincidence. Scientologists practice rituals and witchcraft. Rosemary's Baby is realer than you think.

I think it's very interesting to find out that David Miscabbage hated Alley's guts. I wonder if it's because she had a rep for being a ballsy bitch. I picture her as not being in such awe of him as so many others are/were. She seemed the type to tell him "I want to be a part of your religion, but I'm not going to be anyone's bitch".

Kirstie stated on Twitter in the past that her family has no history of cancer whatsoever and she also ate organic because she didn't trust the chemicals and additives put in our food. Combine that with all the Scientology shit and she probably thought she was safe from cancer and there was no need to get a colonoscopy. Sadly she was wrong.

I hear colon cancer rates are rising significantly lately and people are getting it younger and younger. So you cannot afford to be complacent.

[430] Nothing has ever been mentioned about Chadwick's illness, how long he was battling colon cancer, if he was screened, etc. So I really couldn't answer that. One thing I do know is that when he died, he was in his mid-40s, and at that time the health department was still saying screening should start when you're 50 (only recently - this summer - have they changed that to 45). So it very well could be he was following the guidelines and never got screened, thinking he was 'too young' still. Just my thought.

[R433] I'm not certain what cancer she had in the 80s, but her husband Robert Foxworth mentioned it in an iterview he gave about his career, maybe ten years ago. He said that he left FALCON CREST in the spring of 1987, when Montgomery was diagnosed with cancer - and he wanted to stay home and take care of her. (At the time he left, he said he was leaving to take a break for 'personal reasons' but never elabortated).

As a matter of fact, there was talk of Montgomery joining the night time soap at the end of the sixth season, and become a regular in the seventh season (Fall 1987). Those plans fell through because of her diagnosis, and then Foxworth left the show at the end of the sixth. Montgomery finally returned to work around 1989-90 making television movies, once again. Whatever cancer she beat in 1987-89 seemed to have returned and metastasized in her colon. Very sad.

R472 I remember people were making remarks about Chadwick Boseman's extreme weight loss a while before his death. They all talked about how awful he looked. Then we got the news of his death, and they were like "So THAT'S why."

Another regular from alt.religion.scientology here. I remember it well, good times.

She was HUGE...everywhere!

Has Kirstie Alley's nemesis Leah Remini commented on Alley's passing ?

Cancer of the cunt.

Does anyone who follows Scientology celebrity news remember a story within the last decade about Alley having a relapse on alcohol and being forced to apologize to other Scientologists in a humiliating ritual? I can't seem to find it now with keyword searches. She had to get 100 forgiveness signatures (or something ridiculous like that) to remain in good standing, and she was in some public place where members socialize, groveling to one and then the next.

If that's accurate, I don't think ballsiness was at the root of Miscavige's dislike for her. He doesn't seem to like women generally, even those in Scientology: Mrs. Hubbard, Mimi Rogers, Kirstie Alley, his own wife. But I'm not altogether sure he likes many men either. Being in his good graces seems to be a fleeting state.

How exactly Scientology gained IRS religious exemption is a long and convoluted matter.

Suffice to say part of it doesn't make sense, that is why IRS suddenly reversed course and in end granted Scientology benefits above and beyond any other "religion". So much time has passed since this all went down most agree it is far too late now for any legal challenges or otherwise try to reverse.

Another colorectal cancer death.

People need to get themselves screened by age 50 at least, then every ten or so years as recommended by physician.

[quote]Clearwater (Scientologytown, USA), at that.

For those of us who are "of a certain age," Clearwater was also notorious as the location of the Jim Bakker-Jessica Hahn tryst.

R478, oh well she needed to repent for her sins. One must respect the laws.

how much is she worth?

Elizabeth Montgomery, her father and brother all died of cancer.

[quote]how much is she worth?

Bitch is worthless.

Did Kirstie's offspring also live in Clearwater? Did they have no relationship with Parker?

It hasn't been mentioned yet, but Alley was cremated within hours of her death on Monday, and her ashes were given to her children. Not sure whether there will be a public memorial or not.

Speaking of which, ONJ was also cremated and her ashes were scattered at her Malibu ranch and at her home in Australia. She was to have a 'state funeral' in Australia in 'early December' (now) but I've heard nothing about it. Does anyone know what's going on with her funeral ?

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Don't know if it has to do with that crack pot religion or what; but it is common nowadays for cremation to occur same day or next after death.

Increasingly people or their surviving families/friends are skipping whole wake, funeral, then interment or cremation. Just cremation (or interment) ASAP, with some sort of celebration of life memorial later on.

Leslie Jordan's remains were cremated not long after being released to family from ME's office IIRC. Ashes were then subsequently scattered at sea.

Leslie's ashes should have been scattered on some hookers.

[quote]It hasn't been mentioned yet, but Alley was cremated within hours of her death on Monday, and her ashes were given to her children.

How much did it cost to rent the U-Haul?

Leslie Jordan died?

Benji!!!!!!!

R491, In Massachusetts, there’s a forty-eight(48) hour delay before a body can be cremated.

A quite sensible and reasonable law. Cremation essentially would destroy any evidence of a death that occurred via foul play. Waiting at least 48 hours does give ME's office or anyone else a chance to examine a body before it is destroyed.

Autopsies are not performed as much nowadays, especially when there is no reason to suspect death was due to foul play.

“Like many states, Massachusetts law requires 48 hour waiting period between the time of death and cremation. This is done to ensure that there are no questions of criminal or civil liability arising from the person's death. During this time, the deceased is typically cared for by a funeral home.”

[quote]Did Kirstie's offspring also live in Clearwater? Did they have no relationship with Parker?

They're not her offspring, they were both adopted. Which may or may not tell us something significant about that marriage.

[quote]71 is considered "midlife" now?

I look 33!

R496, that she came home and found John Travolta fucking her husband up the ass while the Bee Gees played in the background.

[quote] Elizabeth Montgomery, her father and brother all died of cancer.

As did her onscreen mother Agnes Moorhead.

Ugh, this thread has become so slow-loading and as bloated as a tick you find in your hairline after a summer hike. Can someone please start another thread if we're going to keep talking about this? Trying to scroll down to read a few replies is t a k i n g F O R E V E R.

As you requested r500

[R499] The majority of the cast of BEWITCHED died from cancer, starting with Alice Pearce in 1966. I think Mabel Albertson (Mrs Stephens) was one of the few who didn't (she died from Alzheimer's in 1980).

Why start yet another Kirstie Alley thread? There are at least one or maybe two ongoing already and everything pretty much has been said.

Too bad she was a wacko Scientologist and Trumpster at the end. She had talent as an actor.

What’s up with these women who are gifted comics but such miserable, bitter, impossible wretches in their private lives? Huh? What’s up with that?

Thanks r500. Heading over to the new thread!

they said she died of colon cancer. doesn't she get colonocopies every year?

Like Kirstie, colon cancer can be aggressive.

[quote]Elizabeth Montgomery, her father and brother all died of cancer. As did her onscreen mother Agnes Moorehead.

Agnes Moorehead was one of several cast members of "The Conquerer," along with John Wayne and Susan Hayward, to die of cancer. The movie's locations included nuclear fallout testing sites. Of the 220 film crew members, 91 (comprising 41 percent of the crew) developed cancer during their lifetime, and 46 (or 21 percent) died from it.

[R507] This has been answered already above in the thread.

Yall have to understand the conjuring of energy is real. People have to make sacrifices to attain success. Not all but most. The reptilian species demands it.

Someone on here said they rode with her to the set and she was screaming faggot at someone into her phone. She was extremely homophobic.

Leah Remini says Scientologists are taught not to go to doctors.

Actress and former Scientologist Leah Remini, who had a very public fallout with Alley after railing against the church, told Rolling Stone Tuesday: “While it has been reported that Kirstie sought conventional cancer treatment, which gave her a fighting chance, the majority of Scientologists do not seek treatment until it’s too late.

“Scientologists are convinced they can cure themselves of diseases like cancer. It’s one of the more sinister things they promise. And because Scientology claims to be an exact science, not a faith, its members are brainwashed into believing these false claims as guarantees.”

Why was she having to do Cameo a few months ago? She’s worth millions.

[quote] Like Kirstie, colon cancer can be aggressive.

Not usually. It’s slow progressing. She wasn’t getting checked.

[quote]Someone on here said they rode with her to the set and she was screaming faggot at someone into her phone. She was extremely homophobic.

She seemed like an unpleasant sort. Was her homophobia the reason that she divorced Parker Stevenson?

My thoughts on Kirsty Alley? She was a good actress. She was at one time bery beautiful. But she got fat and crazy, a crazy Scientologist. Then she became just another nutty celebrity.

[quote] Why was she having to do Cameo a few months ago? She’s worth millions.

I really don't think she had as much money as people think. I don't think she saved, she didn't invest. She was living like a frau version of a rock star (read Parker Stevenson's divorce declaration, upthread).

She did the Jenny Craig thing, was on a reality show. Who does that just for fun? She needed the damn money.

Someone upthread said that Clearwater Florida is Scientology Central, but who really wants to live there, out of everywhere in the US? Her money was stretching far in Florida.

[quote]Agnes Moorehead was one of several cast members of "The Conquerer," along with John Wayne and Susan Hayward, to die of cancer. The movie's locations included nuclear fallout testing sites. Of the 220 film crew members, 91 (comprising 41 percent of the crew) developed cancer during their lifetime, and 46 (or 21 percent) died from it.

I had family members who lived in Eastern Nevada who were affected by this and ended up receiving cash settlements from the government. One of my aunts (by marriage) died of cancer in her 30s leaving my uncle with three young boys.

[quote]I really don't think she had as much money as people think.

Even if she would have lived to be 100, she was probably sitting on $15-20 million as life savings which would have gotten her though. I think what some people tend to forget is that entertainers like to entertain and even if they are sitting on a nice nest egg, no one wants to turn down a possible secondary revenue stream for, as my grandma used to say, pin money. She probably developed a whole new fanbase with Trumpers and just decided to cash in with Cameo. It's easy money. Is Jennifer Aniston doing cameos? Probably not. But will Jennifer Aniston do cameos one day? Maybe. Cameo is just another way to engage with fans and monetize it.

[quote] she was probably sitting on $15-20 million as life savings which would have gotten her though

Sorry to beat a dead horse, here, but $15-20 million doesn't sound like that much if you compare it to how she was living.

We had a thread on DL about KA showing up at her daughter's afternoon tea party. It was on either Instagram or Twitter and the party looked super basic, IMO. I'm not saying that KA needed to fund her daughter's lifestyle, but she did lavish them with gifts as children.

I had always thought Falcon Crest killed off Chase because he was soooo pompous.

[quote] she also ate organic because she didn't trust the chemicals and additives put in our food.

Little Debbie’s Organic Snack Cakes.

[quote]she also ate organic because she didn't trust the chemicals and additives put in our food.

"Organic food, please, and lots of it!"

I watched her clip from Deconstructing Harry the other night and it’s easily the funniest thing she ever did. It makes me sad when someone with actual talent becomes such a gross hateful nut job - I mean with Scott baio it’s easy.

She was great in so many things but too bad she didn’t believe in traditional medicine. Also, WOW, they really lived large and bordering on tacky.

[quote]Even if she would have lived to be 100, she was probably sitting on $15-20 million as life savings which would have gotten her though.

How could you possibly know that? What the hell information do you have about her savings, her investments, her lifestyle, etc. to say she was "probably" sitting on that Much? MAYBE she was, but it's also highly possible that she was worth far less.

[quote]How could you possibly know that?

No, I can't possibly know her exactly worth, but you can make some guestimates based on her real estate alone. The only point I was trying to make is that some people think doing Cameo is like one level away from hooking. It's just another way to make some extra cash. Entertainers don't want to stop entertaining and just because people have money, doesn't mean they don't want more of it.

Also remember she was addicted to cocaine at one point in her life and also a smoker. I don’t know if she ever quit smoking. Does anyone here know?

Not long ago, this is what she had to say on her smoking status. I suspect she was right about her own pending destination, anyway.

[quote]Kirstie stated on Twitter in the past that her family has no history of cancer whatsoever and she also ate organic because she didn't trust the chemicals and additives put in our food.

I'd say this is a red flag of lunacy, but the majority of white women in America hold the same false notions.

What the document at R448 describes is truly insane. I get that she was doing well at the time but, holy smokes, she was hemorrhaging money. Assuming she kept up that lifestyle at even half the speed she was going in the 90s, I find it hard to believe she had a healthy estate at her death. Equally ridiculous is her husband's plea to continue living that lifestyle.

" Equally ridiculous is her husband's plea to continue living that lifestyle."

In many if not most states soon to be divorced spouse is entitled to continue living in manner to which they have become accustomed. In past alimony (now often called maintenance) was awarded to wives in aid of that goal. Nowadays with equality and all divorced husbands have same sort of expectations.

In fact latter isn't exactly new. Barbara Hutton's divorced husbands all received generous settlements. Only one not to take a dime from her was Cary Grant.

[quote]Barbara Hutton's divorced husbands all received generous settlements. Only one not to take a dime from her was Cary Grant.

Surprising, considering what a notorious cheapskate he was. But I guess he realized it would have been bad for his image.

[Quote] People have to make sacrifices to attain success. Not all but most. The reptilian species demands it.

You sound like a Visitor....

R533, He hated that the press had named them “Cash and Cary”.

I remember seeing Carl Reiner on the Tonight Show to promote “Sibling Rivalry”, which he directed.

He raved to Johnny about Kirstie’s performance, comparing her comic timing to Carole Lombard’s.

R532, I hear you, and don't doubt any of what you wrote. It just comes across as ridiculous that Kirstie needs to keep paying for him to have a mansion and a staff.

He doesn't make much money

Only 5000 per

Some judge who thinks he's funny

says you pay 6 to her.

He says now judge, suppose I fail?

The judge says bud, you go right into jail

You better keep her

I think it's cheaper

than making whooppee!

[quote]the deceased is typically cared for by a funeral home.

Do they get pudding?

[quote]Her Cameo page has since been taken down.”

Oh, well, that’s a good thing. I mean, I don’t think I want to see her now.

Many, many wealthy people live rather simple and ordinary lives. You'd never know how wealthy they really are (I know a number of people like this). I think KA lived like this.

On the flip side, there are many 'poorer' and 'less wealthy' people who are living paycheck to paycheck, living rather luxurious, ostentatious lives trying to impress others. I think we all know people like this.

That’s just silly.

[quote]Not long ago, this is what she had to say on her smoking status. I suspect she was right about her own pending destination, anyway.

Ha! Indeed.

P.S. It's not surprising that she was SO STUPID as to not understand that tobacco cigarettes are far more toxic and harmful than marijuana, especially when used in moderation.

Ture looks like he's going to an Apolo Anton Ono look-a-like contest.

Also, r543, how many people use edibles?

[quote] " Equally ridiculous is her husband's plea to continue living that lifestyle."

That document at R448 was, largely, legal posturing and negotiation. There was no way Parker Stevenson was going to live the same lifestyle after the divorce and I think he knew it. One thing missing from that document was all the things he did to support KA's career while they were married. E.g., I took care of the kids' day-to-day needs; I turned down roles so that KA could work (while I took care of kids).

[quote] I watched her clip from Deconstructing Harry the other night and it’s easily the funniest thing she ever did.

Is this the scene you're referring to? You're right, she was amazing.

Interesting that Alley is playing a therapist in "Deconstructing Harry" and Scientologists are so against therapists/psychiatry.

I wish they had worked.. She was doing all this other stuff out of fear of getting cancer (I found another where she says she's sure the chemicals in deodorant are what cause breast cancer), when the one thing she should've done is get her colonoscopy. So sad and it only happened because of that stupid Scientology bullshit.

$15,000 shopping sprees, yachts, and a menagerie of exotic pets. A simple, ordinary lifestyle. 🙄

Honest question, R549: Does her incredible stupidity and ignorance, plus the fact that she allowed herself to be brainwashed, not prompt you to have any less sympathy for her?

[quote]Interesting that Alley is playing a therapist in "Deconstructing Harry" and Scientologists are so against therapists/psychiatry.

Some detail on that from a 1997 USA Today article: "Alley had a more emotional motive for appearing as Woody Allen’s jilted psychiatrist wife in Deconstructing Harry. ‘I don’t like psychiatry,’ Alley says. ‘And I don’t believe it works. And I believe psychiatrists are neurotic or psychotic, for the most part. I wanted to play her that way, and Woody just totally let me do it. I said, ‘I want to be taking Prozac or drugs during the session with her patient.’ I wanted to show that this woman is so twerked out that she has to take drugs, too. She takes her own medicine."

I remember reading that at the time and thinking Alley didn't have a good grasp of how Prozac works. It's not something you take and feel an immediate effect from, like Alley's recreational drugs of choice. No surprise that that idea came from her rather than Allen. It's possible that "Prozac" was entirely her assumption, and Allen had Xanax or similar in mind.

Her "emotional motive" was a load. I'm sure she appeared in the film because Allen was at that time Oscar bait for women. In the previous five years, he had directed Mira Sorvino and Dianne Wiest (for the second time) to Supporting Actress wins, Judy Davis and Meg Tilly to nominations, and Samantha Morton would follow shortly. Indeed, Alley was buzzed about in 1997-98 as Deconstructing Harry's likeliest candidate for an acting nomination, but the film ended up being recognized only for the screenplay.

I know the Oscars are no more than what they are, but I'm glad I never had to see Alley described as "Academy Award nominee"...or even worse, "winner." But Allen is usually a good director of actors, in the sense that he knows when to stay out of the way and when to tell someone to give more or less, so it's one of her better performances.

[quote]Judy Davis and Meg Tilly to nominations

It was the other Tilly sister. Jennifer.

I don't think KA's acting is so great in that Deconstructing Harry scene. She's so much larger than him and she's not playing "small." It looks like she was holding back on getting crazy and dramatic. She just found out that Woody fucked one of her patients - a 26-year-old woman. I think KA underplayed the role, actually, and not in a good way. You know she's capable of going truly nuts.

Then, when she tries to choke him (Woody), she's still holding back. Her character looks like she could kick Woody's ass, no problem.

Woody Allen just takes me out of a movie, anyway. How he's always supposed to be getting young pussy all over the place.

R548 even more bizarre that she allegedly wouldn’t guest star on Frasier because of the psychiatry component. Maybe she didn’t get along with Kelsey.

I thought they were coke buddies back in the day.

A few years ago I stumbled across this short Q&A entitled "If I Were President," and it really sums her up.

"Who would be your spiritual adviser?" "Myself."

R554 no no no that scene is too good and I’m not any kind of major Kirstie Alley fan but she was so fucking good in that. And so is Woody, btw - it was his last great movie.

Alley would sacrifice her "principles" for self-interest. She was in Scientology and anti-psychiatry from 1979. but she was willing to be on Cheers despite the presence of psychiatrist characters. She could rationalize it by saying Frasier and Lilith were just supporting characters. If they had told her her first storyline would be going to see Frasier as a psychiatrist and benefiting from it and falling in love with him, she still would have done it, I'm sure. She wasn't going to turn down being the female lead on one of the top-rated shows.

Then she was willing to play a psychiatrist in Deconstructing Harry, according to her because it was a negative portrayal. But it surely didn't hurt that it was a Woody Allen film with a star-filled cast, at a time Allen's films were likely to win movie awards.

She preemptively nixed Frasier because at that time, what did it offer her that she didn't already have? Her career was going well, and her own lousy sitcom was either in development or already airing. So she could look as though she was taking a stand on her deeply held beliefs.

R559 people like you are a few of the good ones left on the shithole site, a glimpse of what we used to be here. thanks for a great insight.

I could only watch that Harry scene until about 1:30. Once Allen made that old fashioned, even for the '90s, joke about the big breasted 20 year old, I had to switch off. And Kirstie... she really was a SITCOM talent...

Now I'm picturing Betty Lynn in the Alley role.

R547, she reminds of Michelle Stafford when Phyllis finds out Diane's having dinner with Jack Abbott.

I loved her when she, as Rebecca, was pining after Robin Colcord (sp?) on CHEERS; he give her a diamond bracelet and she scoffs in his face; then turns her back to him, shows the necklace to Sam: "It's [italic] gorgeous! [/italic] "

give = gives

necklace = bracelet

R560, Most of us are not looking for insight into a $cientologist whose lazy illogic and general unpleasantness in support of a dangerous, criminal cult has been unprincipled for decades. People in cults seldom are principled about what actually matters. How shocking.

But you, R560, are still here, aren't you, claiming the high-minded authority to name people "good ones" and crapping on the DL while squirting at a poster who simply pointed out that Alley was slippery.

The difference between a cult and a cunt is one letter.

Heaven needed another cow.