Kiefer Sutherland

I have always liked Kiefer since I saw in him 'The Lost Boys' up to the TV show '24'. He always seems to give it all, despite his demons. I would give him a cuddle, if appropriate.

I really like him in the mentioned period as well! Is he supposed to be evil?

A complete drunk,I know. I also remember a story of him attacking a waiter out of jealousy, which is pathetic. But he seems lost not evil. As far as I know.

OP NO ONE ever brings him up here. What the fuck "constant whispering?" You can't whisper on a message board.

[QUOTE] OP NO ONE ever brings him up here. What the fuck "constant whispering?" You can't whisper on a message board.

I've seen many bring him up. They put him on the same level of sleaze as Tarantino. I just want to know why.

I heard that he developed an attachment to RDJ when they roomed together and that they ultimately parted ways after making "1969" in part over RDJ's failure to reciprocate. I've also heard he's the meanest drunk you'd ever wish to meet.

Loved him in Lost Boys, have been mildly grossed out/unnerved by him every other film.

There are a lot of stories about him here, in Toronto. I knew someone who moved in his circles and, by all accounts, he's a *very* mean drunk, in addition to having a drinking problem. He specifically had a person in his posse who was hired to sit at any bar or restaurant Kiefer would go to, monitor the situation from some distance and intervene if Kiefer started to harass women or pick fights with guys. And, when in company of women, he'd deliberately seek fights with other guys, even complete randos.

He destroyed his looks with booze.

Because he’s a four foot tall asshole who, if he’s breathing he’s drinking.

Also a homophobe who complained about faggot hair dressers putting their hands on him.

Also racist around the edges as is his soul mate RDJ.

Being gang raped by prisoners made RDJ a tad bit racist.

His favorite word is "gravitas." He told James Lioton that, and I rolled my eyes (hard). He's a jerk, but he was gorgeous back in the day. Especially in "Young Guns".

I've never heard of him being "evil" or on the level of Tarantino's creepiness. I've always heard that he's a hopeless drunk and will never get sober.

I wrote a letter to his father recently using his newly minted Canadian Donald Sutherland stamp. He asked fans to send him letters using his stamp haha.

His father has 5 kids and recently admitted that he wasn't really around much for Kiefer. It sounds like they have a somewhat decent relationship now though.

I recently watched The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial with Kiefer and he was very good in it. It was William Friedkin's last movie.

He's a decent actor and is good at playing villains.

I read one account of him drinking a bottle of J&B scotch in one sitting. How can people drink like that without destroying their insides?

Bitter old gossipy OP hard up for a topic. Desperate to be insidery with the Tammy Cruise this, whispering campaign that. Belongs on this thread:

^Hi Kiefer! Welcome to DL!

I always thought he was weird looking and boring. I liked him in Flatliners

This post is the first time in my 49 years that I've heard Kiefer described as physically attractive or "gorgeous".

He was very handsome back in the day and had that bad boy thing going on.

He’s always looked like a ghoul

So hideous! How dare he show his face!🙄

r21 He definitely had that bad boy thing but it was an ugly bad boy thing. Quite different than a hot bad boy.

The horror!

R22 is the fag hair stylist Kiefer complained about.

Anyone who's been tortured and left at the altar by uber-cunt Julia Roberts while she took off with Sutherland's best friend has obviously suffered enough.

Let the man drink, for fuck's sake.

Kiefer and Jason have since made up. Bros before hos.

Yes, America's Sweetheart used and discarded Jason before too long.

Kiefer was much hotter than either of the guys she married.

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His daughter is unfortunate looking.

He gives off closeted vibes.

His new series Rabbit Hole was garbage.

He has a reputation as a complete asshole and a friend of mine has a story that corroborates that. He's an actor in LA and gets occasional jobs in series and movies so one time he got a bit part in one of KS's shows, can't remember which. They first shot Kiefer's dialogue, then turned the camera around and shot my friend's. When he was finished, Kiefer said, "You just fucked up the entire scene" and walked away. I've heard a few stories like this about him.

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Kiefer fans may enjoy his Calorie Mate commercials. Japan loves him for 24. Personally, I love him for the polite way he attacked that Christmas tree.

He was drunk off his ass and thought the Christmas tree was Julia.

His dad has a reputation as one of the nicest celebrities you'd ever want to meet.

I had the misfortune of being with Kiefer one evening in his still-dating-Julia days (summer 1990, I think), and he got our whole group thrown out of a nice West LA establishment because he became belligerent when they wouldn’t serve his already-drunk ass after last call. He proceeded to drive to a mid-level studio exec’s house and bellow Christmas carols at him until the poor sap relented and let him come in, where he continued to drink.

A friend of mine who frequented the Edendale (a bar in Silver Lake) in the early 2000s said Kiefer was still pulling the same bullshit, and would swing between hostile and charming, hitting on random strangers (women and men), but usually being asked to leave because he was so obnoxious.

Julia, unfriendly as she was, dodged a bullet by Runaway Briding him in ‘91.

^That's some good tea!

Kiefer’s ex (they divorced around the time he hooked up with Julia), on the other hand, was/is a sweetheart. Camilla (I think she now goes by Camelia), was the widow of Jeff Kath (the guy from the band Chicago who accidentally shot himself), and was a fantastic single mom when she married Kiefer. We never figured out what she saw in him.

Fortunately, she rebounded VERY well and ended up with Jeff Lynne of ELO. Last I heard, they’re still together and happy and living in the LA Area.

R6, I heard the same thing. A podcast producer on Ask Ronna told a story about meeting Kiefer at 7 Grand in downtown L.A. Allegedly, Kiefer kept trying to make out with the (male) podcast producer, and was eventually whisked away by his "handler". The producer has a selfie with Kiefer, who was (allegedly) drunk off his ass.

You should post this to the celebrity gossip thread.

He seems like one of those guys who pretends he's a big tough manly man in public but he's a pillow princess in private.

Kiefer's always drunk off his ass. Remember when he showed up at the Abbey a few years ago? He goes in drunk. Sits down at a table and continues drinking with his pants down around his ankles, just waiting and drinking.

He's not like RDJ used to be (still is although he keeps it under control now). He'd get insanely high and sometimes drunk but he was funny and sweet and everybody liked him. He showed up for work most of the time. Just being a decent guy - however wasted he was - got him more than a few chances in LA.

Saw him in my West Village neighborhood one weekend, shopping on Bleecker.

He was standing outside a shop smoking, glaring at the world.

Looked like someone ready to go off on the first person who looked at him or accidentally bumped him.

I thought he was great as Commander Queeg.

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No man survived that Poison P. That bitch just had a way with all those boys.

R27 = Dylan McDermott

I could never understand why media portrayed him as this poor heartbroken cinnamon roll because Julia canceled their wedding. Didn't she have an OD and/or suicide attempt after his mistress exposed their affair?

R42

Camelia? When I first saw their pictures together I thought that Kiefer has gorgeous mom. Imagine my surprise.

Didn't he cheat on Julia with a stripper?

He did. She exposed him month before their wedding. And one day after the story came out Julia was hospitalized with bad case of flu. Flu is very dangerous in May.

R46

I don't really understand your post. You think RDJ still using? Anyway, Downey actually talked about Kiefer's strong work ethic. I guess that's the reason why industry gave him so many chances.

How did Kiefer slip beneath our gaydar?

Some friends from college (straight) met him at a ski resort in the early 90’s. They spent the entire weekend drinking and skiing with him. They loved him.

You think he's rich?

Nepo baby

R56, yes I'm saying that RDJ is still using.

His costars didn't bitch about RDJ the way they do about Kiefer. They loved him and gave him considerably more chances than they gave Kiefer. In Kiefer's case it's his father who is beloved. Apparently RDJ cares about Kiefer too.

I wonder if they ever hooked up?

R62, could be...according to a couple comments made on this thread...

The only thing RDJ and Kiefer had in common was addiction and daddy issues.

Kiefer has a hair-trigger temper and is a mean drunk. RDJ liked to get stoned and cuddle.

How they lived together without Kiefer clocking RDJ on an hourly basis I'm sure I couldn't tell you.

That said, I think that, like RDJ, Kiefer had genuine talent and took on roles that others of his generation would have refused point blank.

It seems Kiefer has branched out into a music career. IDK if he's any good.

r61 - do you know what Downey's drug of choice is now? I hope he and the people around him are careful. He had a very bad bottom.

How is it that Kiefer has managed to keep a lucrative working career? Are his minders that good?

From R36:

[quote]"I went and worked for Vince McMahon at the WWE for Christ's sake and it was a crazier job than working with Kiefer," he said. "But, at least he was cool and tall. I didn't have to take my shoes off to do scenes with him, which they made me do. Just put the guy on an apple box or don't hire me next time. You know I'm 6 feet and he's 5'4."

I didn't know he was that short.

I don't think he is. Jason Patric is 5'10 and Kiefer looks about the same height.

I rewatched The Lost Boys yesterday (thank you, thread). I forgot how much fun this movie is. Kiefer is magnetic in it. He easily wipes the floor with stunning Jason Patric. Who looks like he just came off Caravaggio painting, but so boring. So so boring.

Kiefer is gorgeous in Lost Boys.

Good cast all round, even Feldman, whom i can only tolerate in this and The Goonies.

R61 it's funny because for me it looks the other way around. Kiefer got so many chances in the industry it's crazy. He is alcoholic who spend two months in jail for DUI, cheated on America's Sweetheart and jumped on trees. And still worked non stop for decades. So I doubt he is as bad as Freddy says. I read rumors that Freddy was invited as possible replacement for Kiefer in future seasons. But it obviously didn't work. Maybe that's where bitterness comes from? Freddy didn't get much support for his complaints. Whining about Kiefer being short was stupid and low.

Breaking America's Sweetheart's heart really turned him off to the public. She ran off with Jason Patric and the fraus still went after him.

Anyway, am I the only one who remembers gossips about Julia's suicide attempt after Kiefer's cheating was exposed?

R68

Seriously, what a pathetic whining. I am sure Kiefer was difficult on set (though Katie Sackhoff who worked on the same season adored him), but why complain about his height?

I still think Julia and Sandra should do a movie together. It would betray the internet and box office. A remake of Whatever Happened to Baby Jane would be amazing.

R72, Freddy is a talentless cunt with no career to speak of, let alone the cult hits and TV show Kiefer has under his belt.

Ragging on a co-star's height is the mark of a twat.

Break* the internet

When he was on the show Freddie said he was having a great time and Kiefer was so amazing. It sounds like he's just butthurt over being fired.

Freddie just fucked himself. Kiefer is Hollywood royalty and will make sure Fred never works again.

Kiefer worked with Freddie Prinze, Jr.more than five years ago, and this is the first he has heard of Freddie's grievances. Kiefer enjoyed working with Freddie and wishes him the best.

R81 Bitchy and classy.

R80 I mean, Freddie didn't work even before he complained about Kiefer. His IMDB page is the saddest thing. It's interesting. He is good looking, tall, apparently got his shit together, has famous wife, some famous projects in the past. And has zero career.

While short psycho alcoholic Kiefer with his scandals and arrests works non-stop for more than three decades. Got to ask yourself who is more liked in the industry.

Freddie is a whiny dweeb.

Kiefer may be a train wreck but I have never heard him complain of working with co-stars. And show me anything Freddie ever did that had the charisma level of what Kiefer pulled off in Lost Boys or The Body or even Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With Me (underrated performance in an underrated film).

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Ah. Thank you R85, that's the night at the Abbey I referenced upthread.

I'm sure other patrons appreciated Kiefer rubbing his naked ass on the seat.

The most hilarious thing that I read about him is that before his "wedding" with Julia Roberts he left her and moved to cheap motel that didn't have a personal phone, only phone on reception, and owners almost kicked him out because they were annoyed by constant calls from Julia and Michelle Pfeiffer. Imagine gossip like that these days? Love it.

So he fucked Michelle too?

"Hey this is Jason Patric. I need to get a hold of Kiefer. It's really important so tell him to call me back"

Jason was an idiot to get involved in this. Julia used him to hurt Kiefer. She dumped him in couple of months and married Lyle Lowett pretty much on the same day she was supposed to marry Kiefer. She is fucking psychotic.

Obviously because she dumped two gorgeous men to marry Lyle "Pockmark" Lovett.

Sorry, but you're confused. Lyle Lovett is a brilliant musician and songwriter. Julia Roberts is an idiot with a muppet mouth. Lyle married down.

This is DL. We judge men on a pretty face and a well hung cock.

Saw him drunk walking in Los Angeles.

[quote]I'm sure other patrons appreciated Kiefer rubbing his naked ass on the seat.

And I'm sure some other patrons absolutely did.

I'm sure his balls stuck to the vinyl.

A regular person would be arrested for taking their pants off in public.

R93 Aww, not a bad word about Lyle Lowett, he is a classy guy. But you got to agree, it was a sham marriage. They knew each other for a month, never lived together before or after marriage. Why did she married him anyway?

At least I don't see any skid marks on those undies.

R93 no one on earth thought he married down. He married her peak fame. She was the biggest star in the world. It was a weird marriage nonetheless

R95 apparently so is half of LA, NY, Toronto and dozens of other cities.

R92 Beauty is not everything. Kiefer is troubled alcoholic, and sorry, but Jason Patric seems like a shitty human being. His baby mama accused him of abuse and antisemitism, he talked shit about Julia after their break up, and overall seems like a bitter angry person. I remember how he said something really sarcastic about Corey Haim's death. It was a huge story in The Lost Boys fandom at the time.

All of Julia’s guys have been hot af Kiefer, Jason, Benjamin and current husband, except for Lyle, so he must’ve offered something completely different in terms of companionship and the way he treated and responded to her which she thought was unique enough for her to marry him.

Don't forget Laim Neeson and Dylan McDermott!

Not only did Kiefer cheat on Julia during their engagement, he bad mouthed Julia to his stripper-whore-mistress. Who then blabbed about it to the tabloids.

What I love about Julia Roberts is that she never spilled the beans about why she left Kiefer. She’s old-school like that—never complains, never explains. To quote tortured artiste Johnny Depp.

What did he say about Julia?

He said she became insecure ice-princess and was too jealous and posessive.

Yeah, can't imagine why would she be jealous.

Thanks! I was a kid when all this went down so I'm vague on the details

This is the best gossip thread we've had in awhile!

R106 that's not exactly the case. She bitched about the situation a lot in interviews. EW, for example.

[Quote]EW: Do you think that’s why people fixated so much on your wedding plans, and your decision to cancel them? [Quote]JR: It became something that was taking on speed, that everybody was going to have to know about. So it was a much bigger decision than just having to say to somebody, ”Let’s not do this.” So that’s unfortunate. And that also probably delayed my ability to realize what I had to realize — that I can’t give a shit about some lady in Boise who thinks I made the biggest mistake of my life or that I’m a bad person because I’ve done this. This is my life; I get to do it one time. And this is a decision I made for me. I have saved my life by doing this. And that’s all in the end that had to concern me.

EW: It seems Kiefer conveyed the impression that it was your idea to call it off. JR: I had returned from a trip to Arizona intending to tell Kiefer that I thought it would be best for both of us not to get married. But the next time I talked to Kiefer, he called me on the telephone. The only thing I said was, ”Where have you been?” And he proceeded to tell me what I was going to tell him, which is he did not want to marry me, he did not want this to happen. He was very vivacious, for lack of a better word, about it, and seemed quite specific in how he felt.

EW: Where was he? JR: He was in Los Angeles, but he was not to be found. He had disappeared somewhere. I was a little surprised that he had said this before I had had a chance to say it — so I said nothing. But he was far more nasty about it than I was going to be. He hung up the phone, and called back a few hours later and basically said, ”So, is it on or is it off?” At that time I said what I was going to say before.

EW: Were you civil to each other during these conversations? JR: It was civil. I was being very civil. I mean, I wasn’t pissed off that we weren’t going to get married. I wasn’t angry that I had come to these decisions. This is something that I think should be celebrated, that you’ve realized that, oops! It’s not the end of the world that I don’t want to marry you. It’s not like I’m saying, ”You’re dirt, I don’t want to marry you.” I’m just saying that this isn’t right for either one of us.

EW: Then there came a day when you and Kiefer both called your publicists and asked them to release a joint announcement that the wedding was called off. JR: Yeah, and that’s when the avalanche began. It just started slowly, you know, with this one small boulder which came loose, and then others came loose, and they came crashing down the mountain. People love scandal; people love drama. They love stripping away the layers to see what’s really in there, and they’ll do anything — as well as make it up — to get it.

And I feel like Kiefer, for whatever reasons, tried to make it seem like he was the victim of the situation. I quite honestly believe that Kiefer knows that it’s the best thing for himself and for me that it didn’t happen. But he shouldn’t try to make himself look better by taking shots at me. Somehow or another, it turned into Kiefer being left at the altar. Well, I just don’t understand that, quite frankly.

EW: One thing we hear from your agent, Elaine Goldsmith, is that following the wedding-that-wasn’t, you received an enormous volume of mail. JR: It was sort of an outpouring of kindness, people saying, ”Hang in there.”

EW: Still, it sounds as though you think many people perceived you as the party who was wrong. JR: I think it was a mix, that people were confused. I think a lot of things were thrown into the pot that confused the issue, what with Kiefer and — what do I call her, this girl — EW: — We’re talking about ”the stripper” (a woman Sutherland was reportedly seeing while engaged to Roberts)? JR: Yeah, that’s what she was (laughter). And once that came out, I sort of swallowed my pride a little bit and said, okay, the woman is the last to know. I mean, this had been going on for a really long time. So then I had to say, well, I have made an enormous mistake in agreeing to get married to begin with. Then I made an even greater mistake by letting it all get so big. I’m not going to make the final mistake of actually getting married. At that point I just realized that this had all been turned into an enormous joke, and that it wasn’t going to be respectable, it wasn’t going to be honest, it wasn’t going to be simple. And it could have been all of those things.

Check this article- Julia Roberts: The Price of Fame. She talks a lot about filming Hook, her hospitalization with "flu", Spielberg, a little bit about Jason Patric etc. Very bitchy interview.

So Julia turned it into even more of a spectacle by running off to Ireland with Kiefer's best friend.

He said she was an ice princess in bed and super high maintenance and I think that she had no tits (but that last part could’ve been editorializing on the strippers part, I can’t remember)

R112 oh okay I didn’t know that lol. So if she told the truth, and talked about how it was because he was cheating on her with a stripper, then why do people keep insisting that she left him at the altar?

I mean, technically she did, but it was for justifiable reasons

Ice princess- Doesn't swallow and won't do anal

Just call me Snow Miser.

I get the idea that Kiefer was verbally and emotionally abusive.

R105 don't forget Daniel Day Lewis and Dermot Mulroney. Peak hot

Team Kiefer

R120

You get where? Cheating is not abuse.

He was never going to be comfortable with her level of fame. He reeks of insecurity.

From this statement - "And he proceeded to tell me what I was going to tell him, which is he did not want to marry me, he did not want this to happen. He was very vivacious, for lack of a better word, about it, and seemed quite specific in how he felt.

EW: Where was he? JR: He was in Los Angeles, but he was not to be found. He had disappeared somewhere. I was a little surprised that he had said this before I had had a chance to say it — so I said nothing. But he was far more nasty about it than I was going to be."

Kiefer was famous before Julia became a thing.

He reeks of mothballs.

R126 Exactly why it was probably uncomfortable for him. Same with her brother.

Cheating is emotional abuse.

She also abused him then.

R125

I don't see signs of abuse. I see PR trained woman who wants to shift the blame (because at the time she also was fucking his friend) and who is still angry at him (she still complains that she had no idea where was he at the time).

I am sure he was uncomfortable with her fame. Julia herself was uncomfortable with it. She was THE star of 90s. I think every man she dated complained about it. Jason Patric literally accused her of inviting attention to herself for fame. But I doubt it was the reason. Sutherland just didn't love her as much as she loved him and they both were too young.

I think he was more hurt by Jason's betrayal than losing Julia.

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Who you think is more accomplished actor - Kiefer or Donald? I always used to think it's Donald, but I checked his imdb the other day, and he starred in so many shitty projects. He started with remarkable movies like MASH and Don't look now and Casanova, but I actually was surprised seeing that I never saw or heard about 90 percent of his projects over the year. My favorite Donald's role is actually psycho criminal in Dirty Dozen.

Kiefer also did a lot of shitty projects, but I think 24 elevated him on the level of fame Donald never experienced. And I think Kiefer is very talented actor.

I personally can't choose which one is better.

R134 Ha. I like this quote

[Quote]Rosenbaum then turns to Sutherland, bringing up a 2006 Rolling Stone interview where he discussed the end of his romance with Roberts and his friendship with Patric. "I was making a joke about a country song...'I lost my pick up and my dog and my best friend, and I miss my best friend,'" the actor says. "That was a difficult time for me, and I think it was an uncomfortable time for both of them."

Also... the fuck?

[Quote]Funnily enough, Sutherland maybe could have foretold what was to come with Roberts based on a previous wedding experience he had with Patric. Earlier on in their interview with Rosenbaum, Patric revealed that he tried to help Sutherland escape his first wedding to Camelia Kath in 1987. "Jason was worried that I was not making a very good choice," remembers Sutherland, who was 19 at the time that he and Kath were wed. (The two divorced three years later in 1990, just before he got involved with Roberts.) "He offered up his companionship and said, 'If you start running right now, I’ll run with you.'"

Maybe Jason was in love with Kiefer Sutherland all this time and simply wanted to ruin all of his relationships?

Julia seems to very easily take men from other women or at least leading them astray.

Poor helpless men!

There are women like that. Usually it comes from place of insecurity. It's not taking away responsibility from men who cheated.

'If you start running right now, I’ll run with you.' So romantic!😍

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Another creepy quote from Patric.

[Quote]Patric picks up the oddly prescient narrative from there. "There was a big wall in the back, and there’s a lot of drunk people and a lot of people on other substances. We were just talking in a wistful way, and I looked at that wall and said, 'Kiefer, you see that wall? We run to that wall, we climb that wall and we just keep running.' We shared a little laugh about that."

R143, how is that creepy?

They should have ditched Julia and gone to Ireland together!

I love his voice for some reason.

Kiefer sings!

What did Jason say about Corey Haim's death? They supposedly had a close relationship during The Lost Boys.

Didn't Julia also fuck Denzel?

^very likely

R149 Likely because from what I hear he is a charming man whore. However he will never ever leave his wife.

All of Kiefer's marriages have ended in divorce. I didn't know he became a father at such a young age. Only 20!

Why does Kiefer have a country accent when he sings? Isn't he from L.A.?

It depends on who taught him. Annie Lennox has hammed up some of her songs with faux motown sound

Kiefer is a Canadian born in the UK.

^ That might make it even worse!

His maternal grandfather was Scottish-born Canadian politician and former Premier of Saskatchewan Tommy Douglas, who is widely credited for bringing universal health care to Canada.

R144

I find it strange he remembers it so vividly after almost 35 years. It means it was important moment for Patric. And he admits he wanted to ruin Kiefer's first marriage - and he got involved in his second attempt to get marry in worst way possible (cheated with the bride). I mean, it's obviously good they didn't get married, but it doesn't cancel the fact that Jason did betray his friend.

R158, I think it was an indication that he may have been in love. He behaved inappropriately, sure.

Jason has never been married.

Hey, will he be on the Epstein list or was that something just for much older child abusers?

R76 It would "betray" the internet?

R159

In love with Julia? Too bad for him, because she obviously didn't give a fuck him and only used him to hurt Kiefer for cheating and not wanting to get married. She treated him like garbage. She dumped him in months.

I think he means in love with Kiefer.

R163/R164, yes, I meant in love with Kiefer. I should have made that clear.

If you google their pics Jason is always handsy with Kiefer.

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R148

This clip was on TMZ. One of tmz guys asked Jason about Corey, and he said something very sarcastic, like now he has a chance to win Dancing with the Stars. Don't remember the details, tbh, and don't want to rewatch. He really is a miserable bitter person.

Maybe he just didn't want to discuss Corey's death.

What other actresses did Kiefer date besides Julia?

Allegedly he dated Sherilin Fenn and Bo Derek. Not a single picture of them together exists.

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About Michelle Pfeiffer. Quote from People article "Julia regrets"

[Quote]During his stay at the St. Francis, Sutherland, who did not have a telephone in his room, received calls from both Julia and his friend Michelle Pfeiffer. According to manager Fran Padilla, one of the women left the message “There’s always a rainbow after the storm.”

Imagine dumping your famous girlfriend, living in cheap motel and two most famous actresses in the world are calling you on reception. That's hilarious.

Kiefer and Michelle were in the movie together few years ago. "Where's Kyra". Very depressing movie.

It's hard to believe River has been dead for 30 years. Keanu will be 60 this year. All the hot men of my youth are getting old.😢

Does he suffer from problems because he's quite a small guy?

^Freddie Prinze Jr.

Was he sitting in the Abbey with his pants down waiting for a hand job? There were probably some DLers nearby who would have obliged.

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Who could have predicted that Keanu, Kiefer, and RDJ would be the A list actors of their generation.

R179 They were most talented (well, RDJ and Kiefer), and Keanu is stunning.

Keifer, you haven't been A list in 30 years

Kiefer had a strong resurgence with 24 but that seems to have fizzled. He is talented, but his booze-related antics are a problem (although he hasn't made the fool of himself that Johnny Depp has).

RDJ seems set for his post-Marvel phase with some interesting projects and a seeming lock on as Oscar. He's preserved a lot of goodwill and is managing his demons. Looks his age, but still attractive.

Keanu is Keanu. A sweetheart wrapped in an enigma.

Tom Cruise is Tom Cruise. He could probably ditch the MI nonsense and make some interesting films.

Rob Lowe - not much by way of talent, but a professional.

Anthony Michael-Hall - also more talented than people give him credit for but has anger issues.

James Spader - interesting actor who has, alas, lost his looks.

Patrick Dempsey - had a strong rebound then faded now appears to be managing a resurgence. Got better looking with time (and chin surgery).

Ralph Macchio - one note wonder, but a nice guy. The Mark Ruffalo of karate movies.

John Cusack - reported to be major asshole. Talented. Not sure what he's doing. Always preferred his sister.

C. Thomas Howell, Emilio Estevez, Judd Nelson, Jason Patric have all pretty much dropped out of sight or behind the camera.

Johnny Depp is a wreck.

Charlie Sheen is an even bigger wreck than Johnny Depp.

Patrick Swayze, River Phoenix and Corey Haim are dead.

I forgot Nicholas Cage, who works steadily but somehow seems as big a loser as Depp. He can turn in an excellent performance if the material is there and the director stays on top of him.

NARRATOR: the material is not there and the Director is out to lunch.

So the clear winners would seem to be Cruise and RDJ with Keanu bringing up the rear, if you will.

What a bunch of fags!!!

R181 24 came out in 2002 so ????????

I think Kiefer is comfortable B-level. Of course he is not RDJ, Keanu and not Cruise (who is in the league of it's own). But I am not sure he wants to be. He still capable of putting out great performances (last Friedkin's film) and he is invited in interesting projects like Who cloned Tyrone. I am sure he has a lot of 24-money.

I don't know him.

I think Julia truly hates him. Still.

There's also Michael J. Fox who's career ended for obvious reasons.

R183 you also forgot Brad Pitt and Christian Slater.

I wouldn't count Brad as an 80s star.

Blind item- "So, this former B list movie actor from a family of actors has not been getting much work lately at all. Part of the problem? Well he is a raging dr*nk who has spent a great deal of time getting thrown out of hotels. This one though tops it all. Our actor was in a country made famous by another movie for a film festival. While there he negotiated a deal to be in a movie. Obviously these producers do not read tabloids. He told the producers he needed $30,000 in cash to make the movie. Once he got the money from them he went on a drinking and partying binge. He came back to the hotel where he was staying and in the middle of the lobby got naked and started fighting with the producers. He then told them he was not making their movie, but he kept the money anyway."

They gave 30000 cash before he even worked a day?

Seems unlikely

"We were young and we were both very much in love, we had decided that we wanted to get married, but then this other thing kind of took over. She was arguably the most famous woman in the world, and this wedding that was supposed to be something between the two of us became something so big.

And then, in the middle of that, I think she had the courage – it wasn’t what she wanted to do, in the end.

And I think it took a lot of courage, even amongst all of that other stuff, to be able to say, “I can’t do this.”

They probably thought they could trust him with $30000 because he doesn't have a reputation for not showing up.

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It can't be about him, because he gets plenty of work. He made two movies and TV show last year, for example.

The other clues fit.

Imagine that, alcoholic actor! Actor who is nepo baby! Only one in Hollywood, I swear.

Charlie Sheen fits much better.

Nobody would give Charlie $30000.

He will never be anything more than television again and she has every friend in Hollywood to keep him there.

"You do not wanna cross Julia".

Julia is doing shitty sci-fi films on Netflix. Hardly something to brag about.

Julia is not well liked in Hollywood.

R195 not arguably. Almost overnight she WAS the most famous woman in the world.

R205 she actually is. If not at least respected. As has been mentioned in other threads when she enters a room everyone hears about it and watches her.

That's a quote from Kiefer at R195.

R201 In Europe? Of course they would. It's not a lot of money.

Was Dermot still married to Catherine Keener when he started banging Julia?

R210 yes

Javier Bardem was another married man that Julia hooked up with.

Likely Dennis Quaid too. And Mel Gibson

A lot of actors have an understanding in their marriage. They all cheat. Men and women.

Which is why Julia has no female friends in Hollywood.

She seems to be close with Rita Wilson.

Was Ethan Hawke married?

No they were before Uma.

Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty bedded the majority go their co stars. She didn't do anything different. Meryl Streep had many affairs too.

Back on topic!👏 Here's an old school photo of Kiefer, River, Corey Feldman, and Wil Wheaton.

Did you know Kiefer also dated Meg Ryan? It's not mentioned, but if you Google it, there are plenty of pictures with them looking like a couple. And it's not for a movie they did together.

R220, that's a cute photo. Jesus, Wil looks like an 11-year old.

Corey is definitely giving off insufferable vibes. But I heard they all got along well on set.

Supposedly River was first introduced to drugs while working on Stand By Me.

I don't think he EVER was a giant star. He never was on the level of Julia, Tom Cruise or Keanu Reeves. He is not very good looking, even when he was young he was pretty bland. He has negative charisma and mostly played villains or troubled characters. He is a character actor. I don't get why some posters here act like he lost some major career. Considering his limitations and scandals, he has a great career.

Maybe not A list but everyone knows his name.

I always felt there was something sinister about Donald Sutherland although by all accounts he's a nice guy.

Kiefer had an unconventional beauty. He was never bland.

When you look like Donald Sutherland there is always going to be something sinister about you whether you're a nice guy or not.

Wasn't Donald a notorious womanizer?

Dinner with Kiefer!

As for Julia, I don't care how many men she fucked. It's not that many, to be honest. I am fascinated how psychotic she is in her personal life. I mean, this story with Low Vera shirt. The pictures when she looks right in the camera with those psychotic unblinking snake eyes. She is fucking crazy.

And she stitched this Low Vera crap by herself, with her own hands. That's the creepiest shit ever. Imagine this multimillionaire megastar making this pathetic shirt instead of enjoying the life of wealth and fame.

Is it Donald Sutherland? Or one the lions from out of the front of the New York Public Library?

I dare anyone to tell the difference.

Kiefer remembers his co-star Adan Canto.

Young Kiefer getting cuddly with Jason Patric. Kiefer looks high AF.

As has been mentioned before. You don't become the most famous woman in the world without stepping over a few bodies. Kiefer was a minor one. Miss Thing always had her eye on the prize. You gotta respect that to a certain extent.

Oh please very few stars have ever been as famous as Julia. Tom Cruise and who else Tom Hanks?

I never realized until this moment that Jennifer Lawrence reminds me very much of Julia Roberts. They are both cut from a a similar mold, and JL hoped to follow the footprints of JR. Didn’t work out for her.

We never saw Julia with a face full of jizz.

Jennifer has a much more raunchy personality than Julia.

I'm watching Designated Survivor and Kiefer really is a leprechaun.

He's what they call a functional alcoholic.

I don't remember, but I think 24 was very demanding show. Very intense, and he was the center of it for most of the time. So he is highly functional for sure.

BTW, I checked information about 24's additional season in England, and apparently Kiefer and Stephen Fry liked each other so much they worked on another project together right after, and remained friends since.

Is Kiefer also into twinks?

What's Kiefer's Cuervo story? He's got some balls doing liquor ads after spending two months in jail on a DUI.

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I thought Julia and Susan Sarandon were friends.

They are friends. What it got to do with Kiefer?

Is it the repressed homosexuality that fills Kiefer with rage?

He can't be homosexual. He is a country singer.

^ I've heard that before !

Do we believe this story:

"The Ex Factor? Julia's Secret Call To Former Fiancée Kiefer Sutherland EXPOSED!

More than two decades after Julia Roberts left him at the altar, bitter Kiefer Sutherland has buried the hatchet with his Runaway Bride!

The 49-year-old start of TVs Designated Survivor says Pretty Woman Roberts, 49, showed "courage" dumping him just three days before they were set to take their vows in 1991.

"I think she was being realistic for herself," he says.

"I think that's much better. I think she had the courage — it wasn't what she wanted to do." But Roberts poured salt on the wound by flying to Ireland with heartbroken Kiefer's good pal, actor Jason Patric.

While he and Patric eventually shook hands, Sutherland avoided his Flatliners leading lady for the next 25 years.

Sutherland also spiraled into booze hell, racking up four DUIS and a string of embarrassing, alcohol related public incidents.

"For a long time, Kiefer was angry at Julia," a source told RadarOnline.com. But after battling so many demons he can finally understand why they were doomed as a couple."

After praising her courage, Roberts, who has three kids with her husband of 14 years, Danny Moder, called and they made up.

"I think he was genuinely touched by her call," the source explained to RadarOnline.com.

"Julia said it was finally time to talk. They laughed about how young and stupid they were then."

They also gushed about their families. Sutherland reportedly praised his daughter Sarah, 28, now starting on Julia Louis-Dreyfus's is cable hit Veep, and daughter of his first wife, actress Camelia Kath. Now Sutherland's hoping he and Roberts "can move forward as friends," the source ads.

And blind item that was before the story

Now that her marriage is falling apart, who does this very famous and pretty actress call for emotional support?

A sibling? Maybe. After years of mocking them and abusing them, there might only be one left to lend a sympathetic ear.

A female friend? There are lots of groups of female friends in Hollywood. However, she doesn’t belong to any of them.

A female colleague? She’s been in dozens of films. Surely there is another actress who would value a friendship with her! Nope. Anyone who has worked with her knows that she desperately needs to be the center of attention all the time. That “me me me” attitude doesn’t leave room for anyone else.

A male friend? There are actually one or two men with whom she has worked that might lend an ear (including this very famous over-50 film actor). However, they are now married, and their wives know all about her predatory ways. That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in them that our actress is only interested in friendship.

An Ex? Bingo! That’s who she is now calling to to receive emotional support.

This is NOT a good thing! Her Ex – who is also a famous actor – practically unraveled after she toyed with him and then cheated on him years ago. He pined after her for YEARS after they broke up. For her to now swoop back in after all these years and act like he is her greatest confidante is really stunning.

I call bullshit.

Why?

Because it sounds like fan fiction. How would this source know what Kiefer and Julia said to each other if indeed there was a phone call. Which there wasn't.

I doubt he UNRAVELED after Julia left him. She actually unraveled more, she almost blew her career on Hook, didn't work for two years after, dumped Jason Patric in few months, and married Lyle Lowett pretty much on the same day she was supposed to marry Kiefer.

According to Julia herself Kiefer didn't want to marry her.

Kiefer's career was in the toilet before 24.

Do you think Kiefer and Jason are still fuck buddies in their advanced years?

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It really was. After "Dark City", which was a great movie with great performance from him, his career really stalled. But apparently he stopped acting in Hollywood and became a horse rider. He even won awards in some thing called roping competition (and broke all fingers on his hands).

Well, that's really interesting! I never pictured him as a country boy.

He was in a movie with Woody Harrelson where they played cowboys.

From reddit- "My cousin worked as an extra on the movie Flatliners with Sutherland and Roberts and said all they did was fight with each other on set. Said it was one of the most toxic relationships he's ever seen, celebrity or not.

I didn't originally want to add this, but he also mentioned that Roberts was a massive bitch to everyone and that Sutherland was very reserved, but affable."

Another reddit post- "His father sat next to my friend on a flight and commented boozily, “My son dates horrible women."

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Donald Sutherland has four sons. Maybe he wasn't talking about Kiefer?

"Hope this makes it to the top, but I've gotten drunk with him in DC a few years back. He was there filming The Sentinel, came into a club my friends cousin owned and drank with us all night. He's not a great drunk and is definitely gay or bi, all he would talk about was watching dudes have sex at gay bars, and he touched me inappropriately several times and told me I was beautiful."

I still would.

I actually think his daughter Sarah is talented. She played President's daughter on Veep and I remember her as well from one episode of ridiculous Sorkin's show Newsroom, where she was very effective. And I never realized she is Kiefer's daughter.

I think he has two daughters.

He has one biological daughter, Sarah. Michelle Kath is his first wife's daughter. Kiefer and Camelia Kath got married when he was 20 years old, and divorced two years later, but he apparently bonded with her daughter from first marriage, and still has a strong relationship with her. He gave her away at her wedding, her children call him grandpa etc.

Kiefer and Alex Winter on the set of The Lost Boys. Serving 80s bad boy realness.

As observed.

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Thread not found.

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Hey kid, come here! We got something to show you!

Kiefer talks about the struggles of working in Hollywood.

Well, that's reality for every working actor. One job ends, another starts. I wonder of he needs money to work so much. I thought he is loaded.

He must have made a bundle on "24" but who knows how long he could/will hang on to it. Presumably the children are taken care of and their money is protected from Kiefer's alcoholism. Actually, he may be perfectly harmless most of the time but it only takes once to blow a barely held together life apart.

He literally owns a whiskey company, Red Banks Whiskey. Booze is his life.

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He became country singer to win Julia back because she loves her country singers. Remember Lyle Lowett? Love of her life.

At least I haven't shot anyone...yet.

Julia is the love of Julia's life.

I say on the list of Julia Roberts loves of life Kiefer is probably right on the top (but still behind her, of course).

BTW, Julia's husband looks like thinner, healthier, better looking version of Kiefer.

But can he tackle a Christmas tree?

Fun fact- Kiefer was offered My Own Private Idaho but took a ski vacation instead.

Um, I guess for River's role? Can't imagine him in that role. Can't imagine anybody, really, but people who played the parts. Maybe this vacation was wrong decision for himself and his career, but good for the movie.

BTW, he spoke very lovingly about River, and River about him.

Kiefer never had River's vulnerability.

Yeah, he always had this vibe of danger and unpredictability. Even when he played good characters.

Kiefer and River

River is in awe! What a horrible mullet. It's a true evidence of Kiefer's charisma that The Lost Boys didn't became a laughingstock because of this monstrosity on his head.

Seriously, whose idea was that?

The other Lost Boys also looked ridiculous. THis was was cutting edge in the 80s.

Let's try that again.

They must have been real vampires, they're not showing up on DL!

The Lost Boys was really about hot guys who wanted to suck each other.

Kiefer and Jason Patric had insane chemistry.

They should have dumped Julia and fucked each other.

Maybe they did.

They actually didn't talk for almost twenty years. So there was bad blood. Jason claims Kiefer called him and started praising his acting choices, said "Jason always does something original". I am not sure about that.

^Bad break-up

Kiefer missed that dick!

Kiefer can be quite charming when he wants to be.

I wonder what prompted him to get in touch after 20 years?

I think I remember hearing in interview they did together that it’s actually Jason who called Kiefer because he read interview with him where Kiefer mentioned old joke about losing wife, dog and best friend and missing best friend.

I just imagine Jason following Kiefer's interviews obsessively for years! That's hilarious.

I do wonder why Jason never called him to talk at the time this whole story with Julia was happening? Was afraid? Was ashamed? She dumped him in less than a year and allegedly cheated on him with Daniel Day Lewis.

Probably trying to avoid an ugly scene. Kiefer has a hair trigger temper and it wouldn't have gone well.

R309

Ha, what a pussy. Little fight between two God-loving and country-loving heterosexual men would've been great.

More likely slapping and hair pulling which becomes a lingering kiss.

Like all sociopaths r306.

What's sociopathic about him? Maybe he is a mess and he definitely is alcoholic, but sociopath? Really?

Little Kiefer with his dad

Ugly baby

I think he's adorable!🥰

Not ugly. Sad and uncomfortable.

Apparently him and his twin sister had rather miserable childhood of being pretty much abandoned by both parents. He said that most importan lesson his parents taught him is to do what you want.

I wonder what kind of relationship he has with his stepbrothers. You know, children Donald actually give a shit about.

Kiefer attended several high schools, including St. Andrew's College, Martingrove Collegiate Institute, Harbord Collegiate Institute, Silverthorn Collegiate Institute, Malvern Collegiate Institute, and Annex Village Campus. He must have been a handful.

Fallen angels

Kiefer with his mom Shirley and his twin sister Rachel.

Rachel looks like Miss Piggy

Every beautiful Hollywood star has an unattractive sibling.

Lol, Kiefer is not beautiful and never was. He is charismatic.

I disagree

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He's said he'll never stop drinking because his kids are grown and he doesn't want to miss out on good times.

Bump

Kiefer looks like a chipmunk stealing food. I like him, always liked him, but he is not a beauty.

Anyway, you guys remember insane old movie from 90s called Freeway? I fucking loved it. Best Reese Witherspoon's role hands down. Kiefer played main villain (imagine that) and was terrifying and hilarious at the same time. Him and Reese had a nice chemistry acting wise. Not "I want them to fuck" chemistry, but "movie comes alive when they are together on screen" chemistry.

I bet Reese hated him though :) 😀

Reese "Do you know who I am?" Witherspoon has no room to talk.

R331

Omg, I forgot about that. Original Karen.

R330 I sure wouldn’t want to meet your mom, BOB!!

My dad and I used to say this to each other all the time. Reese was hysterical in Freeway.

It’s around 1 minute in this clip.

Why doesn't RDJ step up and pay for his rehab like he did for Armie Hammer?

"I like him, always liked him, but he is not a beauty." You'd be on your knees in five seconds.

R335

Well duh. I never liked pretties.

Why would he need RDJ to pay for his rehab? He has his own money. And who knows, maybe Bobby helped him emotionally after his scandals in the end of 24 run. Kiefer seemingly got himself under control. Apparently he even quit smoking! (Said so in Rosenbaum interview with Jason Patric).

Has he ever done nudity?

R333

She is so shrill, Jesus. That's her best performance by mile - and Kiefer still wipes floor with her.

He's one of those actors who make psycho villains seem sexy.

I was raped.

In his thoughts.

He was absolutely vile villain in old movie Eye for an Eye with Sally Field. His character was horrific creep. I watched this movie decades ago and remember hating him. He was sickening.

Fun fact - he lost his virginity when he was 13 years old with girl who was 18.

And became a father at 20.

I can't imagine having sex with 13 years old. Even at 18. Especially at 18.

Straight women can be just as nasty as men.

Kiefer with his dad and brothers.

Kiefer looks so much like his father it's freaky. Other sons don't.

Kiefer is the best looking one.

The one next to Donald is cute.

I like brunets

It sounds like Kiefer is into random hook ups. I doubt he's ever had a romantic relationship with a man.

While I was watching Designated Survivor I realized Kiefer also has his father's voice.

The brunette smells cookies.

R351

He said he has random hookups, but he is actually don't like it, and I believe it. Even when he was fucking a stripper during his relationship with Julia, he had a real relationship with her, to the point of taking her kids to the Disneyland.

As for men, who knows. Fooling around when young, maybe? I doubt he is seriously into men.

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Absurd to claim he was never beautiful.

Not beautiful. Good looking, but always had a little menacing look about him.

Fuckable for sure.

I find it insane that he took his sidepiece to Disneyland in the middle of engagement to most famous woman in the world. While he also famous actor. It was so stupid that looks almost like self-sabotage.

He clearly had a self destructive streak.

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When Kiefer found out about a "24" drinking game where you drink every time he says "damn it," he decided to play along and started saying the phrase as many times as he could in an episode.

He looks like he has FAS in r356.

This was a no brainer for Julia. Patric was much better looking with bedroom eyes.

Donald is supposedly well endowed. I wonder if Kiefer inherited that too?

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Was Julia banging Jason while she was with Kiefer? Or was it revenge for Kiefer cheating with a stripper?

She was already banging him.

She truly embodies the spirit of DL.

Nah, that's not obvious. Of course it was revenge for Kiefer cheating. Julia didn't give a fuck about Jason Patric. He was a fool to get involved in this.

Jason never struck me as the brightest bulb on the tree.

We don't get scandals like this anymore. All we have are Tik Tokkers getting into Twitter fights.

An interview from 2022 where Kiefer discusses his music career.

I kind of like the fact that he completely accepts responsibility for his actions, mistakes and idiotic behavior. Doesn't blame anybody, doesn't complain. I respect it. But God do I hate country music.

Blondes age like milk and the drinking certainly doesn't help.

Beauty was never his defining quality. It's good that he still has it in him to give good performance. I really liked him in last Friedkin's movie.

Has anyone been to one of his concerts?

A few years ago he slipped on the steps of his tour bus and seriously injured himself. I'm betting alcohol was involved.

"Also a homophobe who complained about faggot hair dressers putting their hands on him."

Which one of you queens tried to fondle Kiefer?

Do you remember A-list? Long list of gossips about Hollywood celebs? It was around for couple of decades, and it's shocking how many things on the list since then was proven to be true.

What it says about Kiefer

[Quote]Kiefer Sutherland: Bi______. Drunk. "A little distant. Has a temper." "Extremely shy, not 'distant.'" Linked with Jaid Barrymore, Sherilyn Fenn, Angelina Jolie, Michelle Pfeiffer & Julia Roberts.

He dated Drew Barrymore's mom? Wasn't his first wife also significantly older than him?

About Drew's horrible cunt of a mother

[Quote]Drew Barrymore was ever embarrassed by her mother in the past, just wait until she reads the book proposal that her mom's agent is shopping around Manhattan. In "Confidential," Jaid Barrymore seems prepared to be anything but. In fact, she has been one very busy woman in the bedroom. The 53-year-old Barrymore discusses her alleged sexual liaisons with Jim Morrison, Jackson Browne, James Taylor and Kiefer Sutherland. She credits Sean Penn with teaching her how to kiss and claims Kevin Costner came on to her on the set of a movie. Barrymore says Warren Beatty tried to talk his way into a threesome with her and Drew, and she writes about the night Jack Nicholson came home from a hard day on the set to find 10 naked women frolicking in his pool.

This book never happened. I guess people on the list or Drew got involved. Jaid is twenty years older than Kiefer. His first wife was 13 years older than him. I guess he has a rare combination of daddy issues AND mommy issues.

It was mentioned in this thread that he lost his virginity at 13 to an 18 year old.

People back then didn't understand that it was just as psychologically damaging as a teen girl sleeping with an older man.

Kiefer attended Adan Canto's funeral.

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I remember Adan Canto from truly stupid show with Kevin Bacon. About serial killer. I think The Follower? Adan played gay guy who had feelings for Nico Tortorelli. He was lovely and rather good actor. It's horrible what happened to him.

It seems like Kiefer has really mellowed in the last few years.

If true, about damn time. He said he quit smoking in podcast interview he did with Jason Patric. I hope drinking followed.

Age and losing parents can change one's perspectives.

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His mother died at the start of covid lockdown, and he couldn't travel, so he couldn't say goodbye and he missed her funeral.

That's really sad 😔

Did she die of COVID?

She died of pneumonia.

Somehow these two wanna turn Julia into the Poison P and want to come out smelling like roses.

Bros before hoes

It sounds like Kiefer was sick of Julia anyway. Losing his best friend seemed more painful.

Neither one was equipped for how famous she was about to become at the time.

He should have thanked me!

Does he ever talk to Julia?

I think Julia wanted a man she could control. Her current hubby is hen pecked and that wasn't going to happen with Kiefer.

No, they never talked and never saw each other after canceled wedding.

Her new hubby looks like better looking version of Kiefer. And he is perfect husband for somebody like her. Quiet. Non existent.

Supposedly she's been stepping out on him with Jack Harlow.

Kiefer and Jason do a lot of these horror cons together.

I listened to this double interview of Jason Patric and Kiefer Sutherland. Kiefer said his divorce with mother of his daughter Sarah is a huge regret in his life (because of his children). Jason in response to that told Kiefer to tell the story of his wedding - and Kiefer didn't want to, he seemed embarrassed by it. And Jason of course told the story of him asking Kiefer to just runaway together in the middle of his wedding. It seriously was rather awkward moment.

Maybe because Jason's story makes them sound really gay.

Makes Jason sound really gay.

[quote]And Jason of course told the story of him asking Kiefer to just runaway together in the middle of his wedding

A friend from college has served as best man a few times. He considers it his duty to offer to get the groom out of there.

Does he offer to hold their hand and scale a wall?

R411 He actually did.

R406 Kiefer only do it with Jason. My friends from Lost Boys comm have theory that he only does it FOR Jason, because his financial situation doesn't require doing cons. Kiefer is extrovert, and usually good at communicating with fans. While I bet for Jason Patric this is probably the worst thing in the world. I find it rather sweet if true.

^When I read your first line I thought you were referring to sex! 😳

I'd kill to see a sex tape of these two in their prime.

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Chuck in RDJ and James Spader of the same era and I'd never watch anything else.

Have any of these hotties presented hole?

From what I heard, Kiefer's next role is in Eastwood's next last movie, and he actually plays AA sponsor of mine character. Which is rather hilarious considering his well known alcoholism.

Main character, of course. Sorry.

So do you think Julie dumped him before wedding or he dumped her?

According to Julia she called to tell him it was over but he beat her to it. I think Kiefer was already tired of her possessive behavior and jealousy.

Well, why do we believe Julia? She's a fucking liar.

We have to take her word because Kiefer has never spoken about it publicly. Kiefer got married and became a father at 20. He got involved with Julia right after his divorce. I think he liked the idea of marriage and family but the reality was very different.

Kiefer was married after Julia but that didn't work out either.

24 made Kroger Sutherland A list for life. Dumb cunts.

Is Kiefer still single?

What's the story about him attacking a waiter?

I never heard anything about him hitting a waiter.

Kiefer is in a relationship with actress Cindy Vela. They are together since 2014.

R2 said he attacked a waiter.

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According to his IMDb his full name is Kiefer William Frederick Dempsey George Rufus Sutherland. Wow.

And he named his daughter, Sarah, after Sarah Jessica Parker. Think RDJ, Kiefer, and SJP hooked up in that apt? Lucky Sarah if so!

I could see Kiefer fucking SJP or I could see Kiefer fucking RDJ.

I couldn't see him fucking both at once.

She'd keep screaming instructions.

And just like that I had two dicks in my pussy....

SJP is too prissy to ever do that.

Kiefer's LA home is on the market.

Why do you think it's his house? It's probably his ex-wife's house.

Because he's the one who's selling it.

As for the gossip, Patric said : “The press, and being invited to the wedding, and taking off with the bride — that’s all bulls—t.”

Sutherland: “All bulls–t.” They wouldn’t discuss the specifics, except to suggest it was a case of “bad timing.” “You fall in love, you fall in love,” Kiefer says. “There’s nothing you can do about that. She’s an extraordinary person, and he is too, and, you know, timing is what it is, and everyone moves on from that.”

Sutherland has also said that it wasn’t Roberts he grieved as much as Patric; of that time, he said his life was like a country song: “I lost my pick-up and my dog and my best friend, and I miss my best friend.” “When I saw him again,” Patric says of his reunion with Sutherland, “ it was more of a laugh and a toast. They both [Kiefer and Julia] have been subsequently married since, a couple times . . . and what lasted after all that is me and Kiefer, 35-year buddies.”

At which Sutherland jokes, “Never got the truck back.”

Keifer and Jason together in the late 80’s- early 90’s would’ve been so fucking hot.

They'd still be hot today as mature daddies.

Kiefer was at his hottest as mature daddy. 24 is his best look. He became lean and mean. Now he aged, of course.

Jason lost his looks rather quickly. But then again, I personally never find him to be very attractive to begin with.

R441 is Julia the pickup or the dog?

Well, he misses the pick up but not his dog...

Julia is the 🐶

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Then and now

Looking more like his dad as he ages.

It's funny, but it seems like Kiefer ended up as the sane one from Stand by me cast.

Though practically he is much worse (at least used to be) than Will Wheaton who is only guilty of talking stupid shit on social media. Kiefer cheated on America's sweetheart, had multiple DUI, was in jail etc. But he is still more beloved than he actually had any right to be. Is it because time was different? Nepotism? Goodwill in the industry?

He's Jack Bauer. Straight guys love him.

I honestly loved 24. It was a solid show, especially for network TV. And Kiefer carried it on his shoulders.

Didn't he and Woody Harrelson both show their asses in The Cowboy Way?

So Freddie Prinze Jr. thinks Vince McMahon is a nicer guy than Kiefer. That aged like milk.

Well, he is taller, duh. That's what matters for Freddie Prinze jr.

I haven't heard any reports of Kiefer shitting on someone's head.

Um what? Shitting on someone's head? What does it mean?

Vince McMahon has been accused of shitting on a woman's head during a threesome.

Well. That's enough internet for me today.

Well, first of all, God damn you people who mentioned Vince McMahon in this thread, because I Googled a little bit an wow! Wow! Shitting on woman's head during threesome is not even in the top 10 worst things this guy did. And he is cool in Freddie's eyes?

The strange thing is that Freddie has a podcast about WWE and often talks about numerous shitty things Vince did when they worked together. Racist, sexist, rageful, violent shit. For example he didn't allow Asian wrestlers to perform. Had violent breakdowns because he heard words he didn't like.

But his only example of Kiefer's bad behavior is a box? Which is a thing that Kiefer can't control.

On a more pleasant note- does anyone remember old movie Renegades with Kiefer and Lou Diamond Philips? They played cop and native american chief. Together, they fight crime. I watched it as a kid, and always thought it was extremely homoerotic. But I thought it was just my thing. Imagine my surprise- apparently this movie was directed by the same guy who directed Freddie's Revenge, and many reviews of Renegades mentioned homoerotic tension and very interesting ending.

It's available on Prime!

That's Kiefer in the end of the movie. He came to visit his new friend in reservation and told him he is staying in the motel nearby. It definitely read like invitation for hook up.

Kiefer stars in a lot of homoerotic films.

Kiefer and RDJ's apartment was covered in a homoerotic film.

No nude pics in this thread? You bitches are sleeping on the job!

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I love a man who cooks!

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If he'd taken the part in My Own Private Idaho it might have been Kiefer who overdosed. Strange how life works out.

r459 That's so disgusting. Any civilized person would do it on the bed.

He's got a thiccker ass than I expected!🍑

It looked pretty flat on Designated Survivor.

I had a little dive in in horrible world of wrestling, for reasons not related to Kiefer, but got some tidbits here and there. Apparently Freddie Prinze jr has a reputation of a liar in this world. He is known for embellishing or lying about some well known stories in the world of wrestling.

Apparently he wants to create his own wrestling league, that's why he has a podcast about it. He thinks it's going to help him launch this project. But it doesn't seem like he is very respected in those circles.

Freddie is a loser and Kiefer probably had him fired.

Lost Boys panel with Kiefer and Jason. Whoever did Kiefer's drawing behind them should be shot.

I wonder what Jason said that convinced Kiefer to give him another chance?

Funny that he got in touch after 24 revived Kiefer's career.

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He would scream at and belittle the PAs who brought him his meals on the set of Designated Survivor.

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The most surprising thing in this thread are the stories of Kiefer hitting on guys.

Is he bipolar or just a mean drunk?

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Did RDJ thank Kiefer in his SAG speech?

Who thought a Kiefer Sutherland thread could almost reach 500? Only on DL.

Better this than another Golden Girls thread.

I really doubt he stopped drinking. He was a hard core alkie for 40 years.

He quit smoking few years ago. And he was smoking since childhood and never attempted to quit smoking before. He talked about it on joined interview with Jason Patric, and mentioned it was health related. He had some serious health issues several years ago. Things like that can be life changing.

I'm glad he's still around.

Thanks for the rec r462 I’m going to check that out. I would’ve definitely been into a Kiefer/ Lou Diamond Phillips hookup, especially if Kiefer had the mustache in the trailer at r463. He looks good!

He looks good but the mustache makes him look extremely gay.

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Rumored to be well hung like his Daddy.

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Did Kiefer congratulate his old friend RDJ?

He should have presented the Oscar to Robert.

r493, of all the things to complain about...

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He seems like the kind of babysitter who would let you take a sip of his beer.

Donald has a memoir coming out in November.

This thread is a DL classic!

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r352, if he was smart, he would segue into voice overs for commercials, like his father does.

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Julia is a size queen.

What is it with 60 year old men still pretending their action stars?

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R11 is that true?

It was leaked by prison sources.

It sounds to me like both Kiefer and Patric agree to be jointly bitter about her massive fame and success.

They should have just sucked each other's dicks. Avoid the drama.

Kiefer dumped Julia. He ran off to a motel and left no way to contact him. He was done with her shit.

Julia was fine. Sucking his best friend Jason Patric's hard dick. I doubt she was hurt in all this.

She dumped him BTW. She was also already cheating too

Maybe they’ve only seen Eye For An Eye. He was undeniably evil in that one. I always liked him though.