Would you live here?
A mortuary in a sky stabber.
No.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | November 24, 2022 9:47 PM |
It’s like it’s giving the rest of the city the middle finger.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | November 24, 2022 9:48 PM |
Pudgy. Could stand to lose a few.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | November 24, 2022 9:49 PM |
It's effectively ruined the Manhattan skyline. I hate billionaires and how vulgar and trashy they are. Yick
by Anonymous | reply 4 | November 24, 2022 9:51 PM |
What if the elevators stop?
by Anonymous | reply 6 | November 24, 2022 10:03 PM |
But it was designed, developed, and funded by a majority Black and women-led team!
by Anonymous | reply 7 | November 24, 2022 10:04 PM |
In that case, R7, this Woke Tower will be a success!
by Anonymous | reply 8 | November 24, 2022 10:10 PM |
You don't have to live in that building to get those interiors. I wouldn't live above the 52nd floor, so you could see the park I guess (based on the Ritz Carlton being 50 storey high.) All you hear about the other megatowers is they moan and shake. Who needs it?
by Anonymous | reply 9 | November 24, 2022 10:10 PM |
OP's link is curious because the apartment interiors shown are not in the new tower but instead are behind the saved limestone facade of the old Steinway building -- now a base for the huge expansion upward. The windows -- a little awkward in their configuration for residential space but nicely large don't match at all the curtain wall glazing above.
The apartment/s dressed up in a modern take on Gilded Age interiors are much more to my taste than the minimalist detailing seen at the 111w57 site, which are not bad from what little is shown, but of the type we now expect from these new pencil thin buildings.
Surprising the investors bet on this choice of Modern or Gilded Age aesthetics, but some points, I suppose, for that unexpected gesture. (The pool is a bit elegant with the painter fielded paneled walls, but of course there won't be much harmony overall, never mind the disparate starting points.)
A negative in the Gilded Age spaces: the designer's new door moldings are bad enough to suggest his strength is in furnishings not architecture.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | November 24, 2022 10:14 PM |
i would love to visit that top most section though, just to see it. But live there? Christ no.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | November 24, 2022 10:14 PM |
Bad reviews of extra tall residential buildings abound. Building sways during windstorms and the unholy sounds of wind barreling through the elevator shaft are found online
by Anonymous | reply 12 | November 24, 2022 10:23 PM |
No.
I never liked long and thin.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | November 24, 2022 10:30 PM |
Never.
Shit happens.
The power could go out. There could be a fire. NY does get hurricanes sometimes. There are dozens of reasons not to literally risk your life by living there.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | November 24, 2022 10:34 PM |
Belongs to the skyline of doo-buy, not New York
by Anonymous | reply 15 | November 24, 2022 10:36 PM |
I've always wondered, how do they handle garbage collection in a residential building that height? In office buildings janitors collect garbage at night and place it in bags by the freight elevators, then it's brought down to the basement. I can't see rich people dumping bags of garbage by the elevator. In this kind of luxury building is it just assumed you'll have staff who'll schlep the trash down 100 floors to the basement, or are there special garbage collection areas between floors? One other solution in residential buildings is garbage chutes, but those are noisy as hell and often clog up. I know that for a fact.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | November 25, 2022 1:44 AM |
It's not like anyone is ever going to live in this building. It's yet another luxury building for foreign scumbags to launder their ill-gotten money. That's all these buildings are.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | November 25, 2022 1:45 AM |
So New York.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | November 25, 2022 2:49 AM |
[quote] garbage chutes … are noisy as hell and often clog up.
Children fall into them, silly women lose their jewellery down them.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | November 25, 2022 2:52 AM |
Skeletal and stooped.
And. No. Hat.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | November 25, 2022 3:17 AM |
God, no. Looking at a picture makes me woozy.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | November 25, 2022 3:25 AM |
Schkyschrapersch!
by Anonymous | reply 22 | November 25, 2022 3:58 AM |
It's very chic but the floorplates are tiny and the amenities are bare bones.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | November 25, 2022 4:07 AM |
All that's missing is a bullseye on one side.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | November 25, 2022 4:09 AM |
I would be scared shitless living that high up.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | November 25, 2022 4:10 AM |
^Too bad this wasn't built when I was around. I could've saved all that money on laxatives!
by Anonymous | reply 26 | November 25, 2022 4:48 AM |
Absolutely.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | November 25, 2022 4:52 AM |
In twenty years, a lot of these buildings will be functionally condemned. I can't see how these were permitted without bribery. So many fun structural problems, and increasingly stronger hurricanes on top of that. After Sandy, there were trust fund babies walking down pitch-black stairwells from their 20th-floor apartments in the West Village. The few people that actually live in these apartments are consigning themselves to forms of self-sufficiency that they've never dreamed of.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | November 25, 2022 5:00 AM |
I lived on the 32nd floor of an art deco building in DTNYC.
I experienced the earthquake (that damaged the Washington Monument). I also was evacuated during Hurricanes Irene/Sandy.
The building was extremely sturdy; but the combo of the earthquake/hurricanes did me in. I left quickly after the last hurricane and have not returned to NYC.
While I loved living where one could view the Harbor/Statue of Liberty, the swaying of the building and discombobulation during the natural disasters was enough to put me off living in high rises. And I was only on the 32nd floor!
Even a gift of 66 million could not convince me to live in The Steinway Tower.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | November 25, 2022 5:03 AM |
I seriously want to throw up even looking at the photos. You couldn’t pay me to even visit that thing, much less live in it. It looks like it could snap in half.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | November 25, 2022 5:22 AM |
OP, what is that THING sitting on the coffee table?
by Anonymous | reply 31 | November 25, 2022 5:48 AM |
No fucking way.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | November 25, 2022 6:06 AM |
I’ve stayed at that CP Ritz like a dozen times. Jealous much?
The tales that I could tell. (But for the non disclosure)
by Anonymous | reply 34 | November 25, 2022 6:30 AM |
We at Central Park Tower look down on the plebs at 111 from the 130th floor
by Anonymous | reply 35 | November 25, 2022 7:18 AM |
I've never lived above the 10th floor and never want to.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | November 25, 2022 7:23 AM |
For you guys who get sweaty palms above the 10th floor... 😳
by Anonymous | reply 38 | November 25, 2022 7:29 AM |
I would need a cocaine habit and two ocelots.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | November 25, 2022 7:39 AM |
[quote]According to Studio Sofield, Steinway Tower's interiors were designed to evoke the grandeur of New York's Gilded Age, a period in the late 19th century when the city's boulevards were lined with the stately mansions of robber barons like Andrew Carnegie and Cornelius Vanderbilt.
Translation = Some gaudy tacky queen wanted to decorate like a Liberace. How original. 🙄
by Anonymous | reply 40 | November 25, 2022 7:48 AM |
I like it and think it's chic. It's like living in a grand Soho House with the herringbone hardwood floors, gold, and the juxtaposition of era. The pool is very small - it looks like 1-2 lanes. I'd live there as a pied-e-terre.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | November 25, 2022 7:53 AM |
I've lived on the 14th floor of my building for 46 years and trust me, even at that height waiting on an elevator constantly really gets to you after a while. No way would I live in that building. The constant wait just to get out of the building, the possibility of having to walk down all those floors in case of a tragedy, and the constant swaying and creaking noises, just no. A building like that is built for young people, not an old arthritic codger like me.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | November 25, 2022 10:52 AM |
It has potential.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | November 25, 2022 11:01 AM |
R42, can you really feel the building sway?
by Anonymous | reply 44 | November 25, 2022 11:02 AM |
One of my best friends has an in-town apartment on the 38th floor of a thinish building. I've been in his apartment before during high winds and could definitely feel the whole building move in high gusts. On one visit I stood by the window during high winds and looked out at another building and could see how the view of that building moved when my friend's building swayed. I can just imagine what it would be like in an even thinner building way up near the top. Nope, no way.l
by Anonymous | reply 45 | November 25, 2022 11:13 AM |
r7 Everyone says they'd love a woman architect, until the building starts swaying.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | November 25, 2022 12:30 PM |
[quote]...waiting on an elevator constantly really gets to you after a while...The constant wait just to get out of the building,..
Agreed, R42. It's a different experience living on the 13th or 30th or the 55th floor than on the 2nd when you realize it's cooler out than you thought and that you'll run back in a take a warmer jacket. You can sprint up the stairs to the 2nd floor on not much more time than you would fuck around with an alarm system of you had a townhouse, the door just there at the street.
No doubt one acclimates to thinking through the litany of "And do I have my..." questions when you live on a high floor, but that remove of the option of "just popping out" would weigh on me. I lived on the 2nd and 3rd floors of old co-op buildings with elevator operators and it was great. I liked the leafy views, the ability to run out and grab something at the store without a thought, and not waiting on the elevator man who, depending on time of day, might also be doing double-duty as doorman -- and this in buildings that didn't have more than 6 or 12 stories.
The physical remove fr the street can be both good and bad, but the remove if time and planning to even reach the front door of the building I wouldn't like most of the time.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | November 25, 2022 12:30 PM |
@r42, I lived on the 22nd floor, in the morning I would push the call button on the elevator, go back in my apartment, make a cup of coffee, go back out in the hall and the elevator would arrive just as I finished my coffee
by Anonymous | reply 49 | November 25, 2022 12:37 PM |
r49 LOL
by Anonymous | reply 50 | November 25, 2022 12:40 PM |
[quote] I lived on the 22nd floor, in the morning I would push the call button on the elevator, go back in my apartment, make a cup of coffee, go back out in the hall and the elevator would arrive just as I finished my coffee
You all must live in stone age buildings. I live on the 20th floor in a building that's about 30 years old and the elevator arrives in less than 60 seconds in most cases. 80% of the time I am the only one in the cab all the way down. And the building is full of residents.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | November 25, 2022 12:46 PM |
^ The building I lived in was built in the 60s, but it was mostly young working people, so in the morning it would empty out between 7:30 and 8:00 AM, it just took that long to get everyone out
by Anonymous | reply 52 | November 25, 2022 12:53 PM |
From the outside, 111 West 57th is the ugliest skyscraper I have seen. From within, well, everyone loves a panoramic view.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | November 25, 2022 1:01 PM |
Not a NYer but I do live there 4 months a year. Those super tall monstrosities take so much away from the beauty of the skyline and the wonderful rich vibe that is NYC.
Still puzzled about trash chutes and how they work. Bombs away!
by Anonymous | reply 54 | November 25, 2022 1:06 PM |
r54 Yes. Tall buildings in Manhattan? The horror!
by Anonymous | reply 55 | November 25, 2022 1:08 PM |
You couldn't pay me to live there.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | November 25, 2022 1:13 PM |
Dubai is building a 100-plus story apartment tower to dethrone 57th's title as tallest residential building in the world.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | November 25, 2022 1:14 PM |
I don’t get the gripes about the skyline. I think it looks fine as long as I don’t have to live in it.
The Wikipedia entry says the building is 60 units over 84 floors and has 14 elevators. So the elevator situation may actually be OK. It’s not like those apartments are going to fill up with f/t residents who all rush out at the same time every day to punch in at work or school at 8:45.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | November 25, 2022 1:18 PM |
I would have constant anxiety living up that high. I've seen The Towering Inferno.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | November 25, 2022 1:24 PM |
[quote]I lived on the 22nd floor, in the morning I would push the call button on the elevator, go back in my apartment, make a cup of coffee, go back out in the hall and the elevator would arrive just as I finished my coffee
Ah, the magic of Folgers Crystals!
by Anonymous | reply 62 | November 25, 2022 1:30 PM |
For me, it is the location at the base of the most wonderful urban park in the world. It disrupts the skyline for the benefit of a few rich people to lord over the park. Their scale to the surrounding buildings ruins that point of sight.
Just my opinion.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | November 25, 2022 1:32 PM |
What a DUMP!
by Anonymous | reply 64 | November 25, 2022 1:36 PM |
I'm guessing this one hasn't tipped yet like 161 Maiden Lane. Was this one built on swampland with experimental foundations too?
by Anonymous | reply 65 | November 25, 2022 1:41 PM |
@r62, Taster's Choice or go home
by Anonymous | reply 66 | November 25, 2022 1:43 PM |
Not after 9/11.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | November 25, 2022 1:47 PM |
There's so much not to like about the $66M triplex penthouse, R48.
The main reception room illustrated is fairly heroic in scale, and the dead on view north to the park...who would want a chance to experience the room and the apartment first hand? (But a quick snoop around on an architect's tour or a party invitation would be plenty.)
Outside of the novelty of the view so high in the sky and the scale of the room, there's so much not to like about the apartment. The extreme separation from the earth and all that attends. The fact that the triplex has significant fenestration only Noth and South (barely any windows in the East/West elevations except at the corners of the building and a few small windows punched into those E/W sides.) That each floor is a complicated squared donut of open spaces; except in the bedrooms, would you ever feel properly enclosed and aware of what/who was going on around you off in some distant corner -- maybe they move as you attempt to find them and you never actually see them.) That the elevators empty directly into key circulation space -- I would prefer them set apart and enclosed in some sense-- and they the building stair is the same deal in another corridor.
7000-something square feet is huge, but a lot of that space is wasted filling out the squared donut.
On top of it all, there's just something I don't like about living so high that a terrace is an impossibility. Even if I never used the terrace, for $77M it would be nice to have a place for your smoker friends to be sneak a cigarette without themselves being swept up into the sky like an ash and dropped who knows where.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | November 25, 2022 1:48 PM |
r54 4 months a year is a pretty long time to consider yourself not a New Yorker. Where do you live the other 8 months?
by Anonymous | reply 69 | November 25, 2022 1:53 PM |
r70 I could get you that for 600 ringgit a month.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | November 25, 2022 2:03 PM |
R70 odd setup to have no breakfast nook/table near the kitchen and the main dining room so far from the kitchen/food prep area. You’d have to schlep your meals thru the living room and return dirty dishes away back thru the seating area.
How often are all those windows cleaned?
by Anonymous | reply 72 | November 25, 2022 2:18 PM |
I worked down the street at 9 W. 57th St for three years. Our offices were about 3/4 of the way up. Wonderful views, but I never could get used to going near the windows. And... that was only half the size of this crazy TINY needle of a building. Nope, never for a moment.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | November 25, 2022 2:23 PM |
I cannot imagine normal cleaning staff will want to travel up there. Not without their rosary beads.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | November 25, 2022 3:14 PM |
My goodness, the outside windows in r70 video shows they are already dirty. What point is the high-rise with dirty windows, especially if it is sitting in the clouds?
by Anonymous | reply 75 | November 25, 2022 3:17 PM |
I don't have a thing about heights but a building swaying in the wind would send my blood pressure sky high in fear
by Anonymous | reply 76 | November 25, 2022 3:18 PM |
I scanned the thread and I’ll offer my take on a couple points. I’m a r/e developer in the city. It’s not opinion based, except where noted. I’m not offering a defense or explanation of changing skylines, ugly architecture, millionaires/billionaires, what have you.
Building sway - all buildings over 400 ft sway a little, depending on wind. It’s usually imperceptible except to the very sensitive and most get used to it. It’s not ‘felt’ as much as it’s ‘noticed’. The water in your toilet bowl or a full bathtub will sway 1-2° Heavier wind, more sway, and you may notice more.
Trash chutes - are plumb, perfectly vertical and work fine. They do not get clogged, although very very rarely small debris may snag on a seam. In well managed buildings they are shut down and cleaned once a year. All waste dropped in a chute is supposed to be bagged and tied to prevent this and aid compaction at the bottom and prevent smells from loose garbage. Heavy objects, glass and recycling are not put in a standard waste chute. They are set in the refuse room or service elevator bay to be removed by porters. Most buildings in NY are 32bj, labor union, and they’re a great union. Most buildings, even lower end are run/maintained well.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | November 25, 2022 3:19 PM |
Hurricanes - large buildings in NY are engineered to withstand natural events, as they are in various geographic areas, seismic, hurricanes, tornados, etc. In NY, as in the coastal South, damage from hurricanes is largely from water, not wind. Sandy, Katrina, et al. were water events; storm surge, flooding, failure of coastal water management, flood walls, levees, etc.
Elevators, loss of electrical - local building code requires alternate power/generators in buildings of a certain class, residential, hotels, hospitals… Even if they weren’t required, buildings such as this install them anyway. The generator/battery backup powers 1, or multiple elevators, emergency lighting in corridors and stairwells, as well as a few basic mechanicals. You may have to wait longer for an elevator in the event of a power outage, but you can get out. Older buildings in NY don’t necessarily have alternate power. So if you live in a building built prior to ~2000, you may have to hoof it.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | November 25, 2022 3:20 PM |
Elevators, call time, time-to-destination - work perfectly well. The number of elevators, equipment type, run speed, management software are all designed and selected pre-construction and they work very well. You don’t wait long for an elevator, usually ride alone, and arrive at the destination in less than 60 seconds. Also, people don’t come and go, as often as you would think. I rarely see my neighbors in the hall [italic]ever[/italic], almost always ride with fewer than 2 other people (even coming up from the lobby) and consequently the elevator makes very few stops. The whole algorithm is calculated by number of units per floor x the number of floors in the building. Large older buildings, with fewer elevators, more units per floor, and usually older equipment, have crowding and wait time issues. New buildings don’t.
Building design - it’s surprisingly difficult to design a ‘pretty’ building/skyscraper and very few buyers care much about the appearance of the building from the outside. They care about the interiors of their unit and what they look out at, but pay little regard to an ugly exterior design. I was born and raised in rural Iowa so this concept took me a while to appreciate because my consideration was single family homes, which people care very much about design. Tall buildings are mostly designed for the appearance of the base, bottom 5 floors seen from a pedestrian vantage, and the top most floors which provide a ‘profile’ as seen from a distance. The floors in between are just a rectangle with cladding, glass or stone with coloring. Robert A.M. Stern and the like, design the most pleasing new buildings in my opinion because he tries to capture a pre-war/classic appeal, for new tall/super tall structures. But NYers care very little about the exterior, most buildings are quite ugly. The only time a building is seen in OPs marketing pic, is on architectural renderings. No one sees it that way IRL, because of perspective, line-of-sight, and other buildings which obstruct it.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | November 25, 2022 3:21 PM |
Evolving skyline of NY - is inevitably changing, it always has. The people who live in the midst of the skyline don’t care very much, because they can’t see it. The people who complain the most live in NJ or the outer boroughs and are not considered much in the overall approach. Plus, they’re at such a distance, that to complain about details or designs they can only really see with binoculars, is silly. Super-talls are (drum roll) tall and thin. Based on the lot-size/footprint of the building, there’s nothing you can do about it. They look like needles, and aren’t harmonious with what was there before.
New buildings “block out views of the park” for everyone - No, they don’t. The only views they block are from other tall buildings in the area, and those are by their nature, other millionaires. No one’s view is protected in NY from other developments. Pedestrians can only see the park, from the streets that border Central Park, CPW, CPS, 5th Ave, 110th St.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | November 25, 2022 3:21 PM |
I watched a notable documentary about the Twin Towers. It surprised me to learn all of the controversy that project received during its conception and construction. The complaints included eminent domain squabbles, the architectural firm received anti- Japanese hate and there many complaints the project was too large.
The Towers made the lower Manhattan skyline unique, first class. The skyline isn't the same and the energy is flatlined in NYC without them.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | November 25, 2022 3:35 PM |
[quote]The Towers made the lower Manhattan skyline unique, first class.
And yet when I worked there in the early eighties they were considered an eyesore.
"Two cracker boxes" was a popular opinion.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | November 25, 2022 3:38 PM |
The Towers also swayed in windstorms.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | November 25, 2022 3:40 PM |
This is going to make me sound really old, but what happens if there's a fire? Who's gonna walk down all those steps?
by Anonymous | reply 84 | November 25, 2022 3:44 PM |
I wonder what the sound proofing is like between floors and apartments? Would hate to spend $66m to live with the neighbors.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | November 25, 2022 3:45 PM |
r85 The $66 million buys you three entire floors with no neighbors so that probably helps quite a bit.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | November 25, 2022 3:56 PM |
No. Not now, not ever.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | November 25, 2022 3:59 PM |
R84 Residential buildings in NY built after the mid 1970s are required to be ‘fireproof’. I put that in quotes because it’s an industry and regulatory term and it doesn’t mean fires don’t occur and can’t spread. You are not supposed to leave your unit, unless the fire is in your unit, or there’s smoke infiltration. The exterior walls of every residential unit requires double layer, fire-rated drywall which can burn for 2-hours before spreading. All entry doors are metal, and require hinges which fully close and latch the door on their own and can burn for 90 minutes, before failing. That’s why people have to prop their doors OPs when moving large items in and out. Building wide fire alarms, which sound and strobe, are being eliminated. You are not supposed to leave your unit, so they don’t want alarms sounding which cause people to panic, leaving the building en mass, inhibiting emergency responders. Fires usually only spread when doors are blocked open, for whatever reason. Sprinklers are also required in all buildings built after 1984.
You only leave your unit/building, if instructed to by emergency responders or there is an imminent danger to you.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | November 25, 2022 4:02 PM |
^ *prop their doors open
by Anonymous | reply 89 | November 25, 2022 4:03 PM |
Sorry, I would also feel like I was giving the rest of New York and God the middle finger. The retribution wouldn't be worth the egomaniacal sense of self worth . Besides, I'm old money and we don't speak to those types of people. I'd rather look up their assholes than address them face to face.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | November 25, 2022 4:05 PM |
R85 horizontal sound proofing is easily achieved. It’s a question of materials, and means and methods; floating drywall, staggered studs, acoustic sound batting in the walls… The difficult one to control is vertical sound/reverberation from the floor above carrying down. Thicker floor plates and floor coverings take care of the issue.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | November 25, 2022 4:08 PM |
Thanks R88. That was quite fascinating. I had no idea.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | November 25, 2022 4:11 PM |
I wonder about the dirty windows but since the structural/mechanical stuff is well thought out, there’s probably a daily mechanism that steam cleans them. Surprised whatshisname didn’t mention it.
Are the interiors built to spec because the primary man’s closet is full of drawers that each hold one commercial-laundered shirt and too much space is devoted to wine storage. The 5” gaps on either side of all the bathroom sinks is annoying. Too narrow for a waste bin and difficult to clean. Also, what is that empty area at the end of the kitchen counter? Just a place to stand and look out the window?
If there’s an unsold unit, it would be fun to rent for the day or night when a thunderstorm or snowstorm is predicted.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | November 25, 2022 4:14 PM |
Even the agent in the video at R70 admitted the window opening situation was scary. Yes, it is. Humans weren't meant to live in the clouds and all the fancy furniture in the world won't overcome that problem. This monstrosity never should have been built. I smell tax write-offs.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | November 25, 2022 4:24 PM |
How long before the first suicide by jumping occurs?
by Anonymous | reply 95 | November 25, 2022 4:30 PM |
R93 window cleaning and facade repair and maintenance, are considered by the architect in the design phase, for every structure built. Most tall commercial buildings have a bmu (building maintenance unit) permanently fitted to the roof, or they have a rail system from which they drop a scaffolding. Some residential windows are cleaned from the inside by a crew who remove the child safety block, swing the window in/out and clean. It varies and it is done as often as the residential Board or building management so wish.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | November 25, 2022 4:36 PM |
This is what it will look like on the next windy day.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | November 25, 2022 4:38 PM |
It's not to be used as a residence. It's supposed to be used to launder money.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | November 25, 2022 4:42 PM |
R93 build-out is completely custom if you buy during preconstruction, or during the construction phase. Otherwise the developer’s architect/interior design team build-out whatever they feel is desirable. Closets are always left bare because everyone wants to fit their own. At this level of the market, ultra premium, the developer and sales team know many/most owners will nearly gut the place or strip all the finishes and refit the place, regardless of how nice the as-built design is. That’s if they don’t buy before it’s built.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | November 25, 2022 4:43 PM |
Thanks, R77-R80, etc. An interesting summary, and some things I only vaguely know about like the movement away from building wide alarms and the instruction to remain in place unless it's your own unit that's on fire.
Curious, too, that it seems from what you write that a substantial number of units are fitted out with "builder grade finishes," let's say, in advance of their sale -- knowing in many cases the new owners will start all over again to their own tastes and plan. It's odd (and not) that more units are not sold unfinished or are finished to the new owners' specs rather than building twice in many cases. (I'm thinking of the suburban homes version where model show houses are fitted out with various options and the units sold either as built or customized - not substantially rebuilt after purchase. Different price range, different expectations, different buyers.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | November 25, 2022 4:59 PM |
What r98 said. These buildings are just places for filthy rich foreigners to park their ill-gotten money. There's a Youtube video of Fran Lebowitz going on a tirade about this.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | November 25, 2022 5:00 PM |
But it is so true this project is a middle finger to everyone else.
The building is tall enough to be built anywhere and still offer unparalleled skyline views but they choose to build it deliberately overlooking a fabled PUBLIC park.
Wondering how long before these wealthy grifters decide Central Park should be privatized and sold?
by Anonymous | reply 102 | November 25, 2022 5:22 PM |
The super tall spaghetti box buildings cast long shadows over Central Park in the late afternoon.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | November 25, 2022 6:05 PM |
[quote] [R85] The $66 million buys you three entire floors with no neighbors so that probably helps quite a bit.
R86 Is there an internal elevator between the three floors for that money? Some people can't do stairs.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | November 25, 2022 6:46 PM |
[quote]Some people can't do stairs.
Those people need to spend their $66,000,000.00 more wisely.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | November 25, 2022 6:48 PM |
Re trash chutes: People don't follow the rules and they don't care how noisy it is if they dump a bin full of bottles and cans down the chute in the middle of the night. They do stupid things like putting folded-up boxes in the chute, or bags technically too big for it. The sound of a heavy bag of dirty cat litter going down the chute and hitting bottom is like a bomb going off. I live in a 5-story building that used to have a trash chute. It clogged up so often the landlord got fed up and welded it shut. The building next door had one and it was so noisy it would wake people up in the middle of the night on my side of the building. It was discontinued too.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | November 25, 2022 6:49 PM |
Pity about your neighborhood r106.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | November 25, 2022 6:52 PM |
[quote]Is there an internal elevator between the three floors for that money? Some people can't do stairs.
Some people are blind and can't enjoy the views. Some people have no hands with with to press the call button were there a private internal elevator. Some people don't have $66M at their disposal. Is the special accommodation?
by Anonymous | reply 108 | November 25, 2022 6:55 PM |
It's a nice neighborhood, R107. People will take the easiest and fastest way out when it comes to getting rid of trash. Also, this was many years ago before recycling and separating plastic, etc. Everything went in one bag.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | November 25, 2022 6:59 PM |
On the other hand, is only a two minute walk to Carnegie Hall and the Russian Tea Room. That's a comfort.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | November 25, 2022 7:08 PM |
Thank you posters for the response on trash disposal. I have a high rise apartment that borders the trash chute. Normal bagged trash is OK. But when the alcoholic nitwit dumps beer bottles, cans and glass liquor bottles down at 2AM….from the PH….YIKES….the whole building hears it.
I may be a trashy kind of guy but I really hate her when she does that.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | November 25, 2022 7:19 PM |
Is there no way to sound proof a trash chute?
by Anonymous | reply 112 | November 25, 2022 7:22 PM |
R13- WRONG
One can never be too TALL
too RICH
or too THIN
by Anonymous | reply 113 | November 25, 2022 7:22 PM |
[quote] But when the alcoholic nitwit dumps beer bottles, cans and glass liquor bottles down at 2AM
Well, if someone does that from the 100th floor. Won't it make a crater at the bottom all the way into a subway tunnel? As well as a sonic boom?
by Anonymous | reply 114 | November 25, 2022 7:24 PM |
Is the tower an insatiable bottom?
by Anonymous | reply 115 | November 25, 2022 7:30 PM |
[quote] As well as a sonic boom?
Yes, when the rubbish truck has just emptied the loader. Those bottles hit the empty metal bin like a hand-grenade going off. Kaboom! When it is relatively full, there is only a slight thud when her junk hits bags of wrapped trash.
She doesn’t care since the HOA has no rule to cover time. She’s just a mean ol bag. I give stink eye to her in the elevator. I’m sure the NYC building has trash disposal hours in their HOA Regs.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | November 25, 2022 7:38 PM |
I once lived in a 47th floor apartment on West 42nd Street for a short time. I hated it, there would be moments the view would get me dizzy, and boy did it every sway during powerful storms. Scary!
by Anonymous | reply 117 | November 25, 2022 7:39 PM |
I would much prefer a lovely townhouse on the UES. No high rises for me, thank you.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | November 25, 2022 8:00 PM |
Townhouses and brownstones are luxurious to me. An outdoor space, even a tiny balcony that is accessible really provides enormous relief in a once in a lifetime event like covid.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | November 25, 2022 8:26 PM |
This building isn't any uglier than average. I think people hate it because it's so visible yet inaccessible (like 432 park). It really forces everyone to stare at extreme wealth.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | November 25, 2022 8:33 PM |
That's it, R120. It's not beautiful, but it's not hideous. What is is is very fucking tall and skinny and rich.
Older buildings in NYC can have mystery or surprise to them: a building quite elegant in its external architecture and probably luxurious floor-through apartments with fine period details might I'm fact have been chopped into tiny, charmless apartments, the poor cousin budget rental building on a street of staid co-ops.
With the new pencil thin buildings there's no fitting in, no chance that they might in fact harbor some payment bargains.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | November 25, 2022 8:42 PM |
Maybe they can soundproof trash chutes more effectively in modern buildings. In my old building it's just a metal tube in the back stairwell behind a door, now unused.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | November 25, 2022 8:52 PM |
[quote]But when the alcoholic nitwit dumps beer bottles, cans and glass liquor bottles down at 2AM
You're not paying $66 million to hear beer bottles going down a garbage chute. I'm sure they have figured how to solve that problem.
I do hope that the higher end units have a private elevator.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | November 25, 2022 9:02 PM |
I have a really stupid question: Below this one is an old building, someone said. How much weight do the primary structures hold? It's incredible that you should be able to stack several houses on top of the old one. Oh, and a second question: How is the whole structure secured against shear forces?
by Anonymous | reply 124 | November 25, 2022 9:15 PM |
If I have to live in a NYC high rise at least give me one with class 🤮
by Anonymous | reply 125 | November 25, 2022 9:26 PM |
I really like the Gilded Age interiors, but otherwise I think I'd pass
by Anonymous | reply 126 | November 25, 2022 9:30 PM |
I would be terrified it would snap collapse, something unseen.
Of course I won't have to worry about it. I'm poor.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | November 25, 2022 9:46 PM |
I felt queasy just watching parts of that video, R127.
That building— it's unnatural.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | November 25, 2022 10:20 PM |
You wouldn't even get me into the elevator.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | November 25, 2022 10:37 PM |
I prefer my skyscrapers to have more girth.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | November 25, 2022 11:36 PM |
Does it ejaculate on New Years Eve?
by Anonymous | reply 132 | November 25, 2022 11:49 PM |
The building looks so weird and surreal. Hopefully it doesn’t stand out enough to attract terrorists.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | November 25, 2022 11:54 PM |
Uh, no. Just no. Nope. I said NO! 🚫
As someone posted above; “shit happens”.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | November 26, 2022 1:54 AM |
I feel like the "these ultra-tall buildings only have a predicted life span of 100 years" troll, but these ultra-tall buildings only have a predicted structural life span of about 100 years. And that's with everything going well. It's one thing to demolish a sturdy building of moderate height. These are going to be engineering and safety nightmares for the city when they need to come down.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | November 26, 2022 2:04 AM |
R115, the building is a top. The city is a bottom.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | November 26, 2022 2:35 AM |
Okay, where the building has the step backs? Those are outdoor terraces. I saw it on another video that talked about the engineering. (There’s a giant block of cement hanging at the very top to counteract the sway of the building). Outdoor terraces don’t seem very safe when you’re that high up.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | November 26, 2022 4:29 AM |
New tenant here. Love it.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | November 26, 2022 4:43 AM |
My tower will reach God's heaven.
My power will equal God's power.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | November 26, 2022 4:46 AM |
[quote]I cannot imagine normal cleaning staff will want to travel up there. Not without their rosary beads.
Ay dios mio!
by Anonymous | reply 141 | November 26, 2022 1:17 PM |
Back in the 80s in my city they built a skyscraper that was then known as the IBM Tower. It was built differently than most skyscrapers. They built the central elevator shaft first, all the way to the top (50 floors). Then they hung the individual floors onto the elevator shaft one by one. That's what these skinny towers in NYC look like. Nothing but elevator shafts. Not attractive at all.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | November 26, 2022 2:33 PM |
They’re like those really long hairs that sprout overnight on old men’s eyebrows, ears and nostrils.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | November 26, 2022 2:49 PM |
R142 it’s called core and she’ll for a reason. That’s the predominant method of construction, has been for 50 years.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | November 26, 2022 3:27 PM |
^ *core and shell
by Anonymous | reply 145 | November 26, 2022 3:28 PM |
[quote] [R142] it’s called core and she’ll for a reason.
It may have been the predominate method for 50 years, but in my city it was the first tall building built using that method 35 years ago.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | November 26, 2022 3:43 PM |
R146 fair enough
by Anonymous | reply 147 | November 26, 2022 6:43 PM |