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Colorado shooter Anderson Lee Aldrich appears dazed, bloodied in court

The person accused of massacring five people in a Colorado Springs LGBTQ nightclub appeared dazed and bloodied at their first court appearance

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by Anonymousreply 178November 28, 2022 8:06 PM

I am satisfied with the quality of these images

by Anonymousreply 1November 23, 2022 10:03 PM

Ugly, evil little fat fuck.

by Anonymousreply 2November 23, 2022 10:04 PM

PINHEAD MOTHERFUCKER

by Anonymousreply 3November 23, 2022 10:05 PM

SHE'S a lovely lady!

by Anonymousreply 4November 23, 2022 10:07 PM

Wait 'til you get a load of his dad.

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by Anonymousreply 5November 23, 2022 10:09 PM

dad is a cranked out stumble bum

by Anonymousreply 6November 23, 2022 10:11 PM

How big was the gun he was "pistol whipped" with? It would need to be the size of a jackhammer to do any damage to that physique.

by Anonymousreply 7November 23, 2022 10:11 PM

Another fugly, incel with a gun.

If Americans weren't so fat and stupid they'd be less angry.

by Anonymousreply 8November 23, 2022 10:12 PM

in my fantasy, dragqueens danced on his face in 6 inch stilettos causing the massive bruising seen in these images

by Anonymousreply 9November 23, 2022 10:14 PM

I would fall in love with a judge who shut down his attorney at first reference:

"We're not playing the 'they' game in this court. Mr. Aldrich is a man. His pronoun is 'he.' Please continue."

Tranny Twitter would flip out.

by Anonymousreply 10November 23, 2022 10:15 PM

R9 A drag queen DID stomp on him.

by Anonymousreply 11November 23, 2022 10:15 PM

Boys who shoot up gay bars don't get to declare themselves nonbinary.

by Anonymousreply 12November 23, 2022 10:17 PM

why is the head sloped like this? zika baby?

by Anonymousreply 13November 23, 2022 10:19 PM

His mom told his dad that he'd committed suicide so the dad thought that his son was dead for 6 years? That is one messed up family.

by Anonymousreply 14November 23, 2022 10:26 PM

r10 is an asshole

by Anonymousreply 15November 23, 2022 10:34 PM

Zika Baby Huey, r13.

by Anonymousreply 16November 23, 2022 10:34 PM

He makes me moist!

by Anonymousreply 17November 23, 2022 10:39 PM

Disgusting pig

by Anonymousreply 18November 23, 2022 10:41 PM

[quote]He makes me moist!

That's discharge, Marge.

by Anonymousreply 19November 23, 2022 10:43 PM

Zika babies had/have no control over how they appear. This ugly little tard does/did. I hope he enjoys rotting in prison.

by Anonymousreply 20November 23, 2022 10:44 PM

But wait! There's more! Daddy is straight porn star Dick Delaware.

You can't make this shit up.

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by Anonymousreply 21November 23, 2022 10:44 PM

What's wrong with that father?

by Anonymousreply 22November 23, 2022 10:45 PM

That is what hate does to a body(the perp looks like a corpse). There’s no way that “dad” hasn’t had a dick in his mouth. All those porno films? All that crank use? He’s sucked at least one cock. It’s also fucked up when the hierarchy of the LDS Church is more liberal (regarding recently changed position on SSM) than one of its alleged “adherents.”

by Anonymousreply 23November 23, 2022 10:45 PM

You love to see it. Hope there’s more of the same awaiting him. Not so tough without his gun, is he?

by Anonymousreply 24November 23, 2022 10:45 PM

AR15 got nuthing on these bitch

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by Anonymousreply 25November 23, 2022 10:51 PM

^^^Staunch!

by Anonymousreply 26November 23, 2022 10:59 PM

Dad was the subject of an episode of Intervention.

Republican family values.

by Anonymousreply 27November 23, 2022 11:02 PM

kkklassy

by Anonymousreply 28November 23, 2022 11:05 PM

Intervention

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by Anonymousreply 29November 23, 2022 11:13 PM

Nonbinary means the fat fuck will eat anything including road kill.

by Anonymousreply 30November 23, 2022 11:16 PM

[quote]Colorado shooter Anderson Lee Aldrich appears dazed, bloodied in court

At least he gets to appear.

by Anonymousreply 31November 23, 2022 11:16 PM

On one hand, what chance did that young man have to turn out okay with that piece of shit for a father?

The fact that his gender identity (they) is being recognized and respected when he committed a massacre shows where our priorities lie. We are fucked.

by Anonymousreply 32November 23, 2022 11:18 PM

God this family....definition of white trash America. Meth head ex porn star father. Tweaking on national TV

by Anonymousreply 33November 23, 2022 11:22 PM

Sheriff's Office Responds to Bomb Threat in Lorson Ranch Neighborhood

On Friday, June 18, 2021, at approximately 1:56 PM, deputies with the El Paso County Sheriff's Office responded to a report of a bomb threat in the 9800 block of Rubicon Drive.

The reporting party said her son was threatening to cause harm to her with a homemade bomb, multiple weapons, and ammunition. The reporting party was not in the home at the time when she made the call and was not sure where her son was.

Deputies responded to the home and after further investigation realized the suspect, Anderson Lee Aldrich, DOB: 05/20/2000, was in the 6300 block of Pilgrimage Road (which is approximately 1 mile away from the address on Rubicon Drive). Our deputies contacted the suspect by phone and he refused to comply with orders to surrender.

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by Anonymousreply 34November 23, 2022 11:24 PM

I rewatched R5’s interview with dad. When the interviewers tell him towards the end that he’s accused of a mass shooting in which 5 people were killed he shrugs his shoulders and goes back to being relieved that at least his kid’s not gay. Unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 35November 23, 2022 11:29 PM

I haven't followed closely, but what long term record is there of his identifying as non-binary. Could that not be a defense strategy against any charge of "hate crime"...???

by Anonymousreply 36November 23, 2022 11:29 PM

[quote]I haven't followed closely, but what long term record is there of his identifying as non-binary.

Not yet, r36

[quote]Could that not be a defense strategy against any charge of "hate crime"...???

Makes sense to me

by Anonymousreply 37November 23, 2022 11:34 PM

Brink was born in 2000 as the only son of Aaron and Laura (nee Voepel) Brink, of Orange, Calif., and a year later, in July 2001, the couple separated. Their divorce was finalized in September 2001, court records showed.

Laura gained full custody of the toddler, along with an order forbidding any contact between father and son. In following years, she moved with her baby to Texas, living at times with the boy’s maternal grandmother.

Brink’s maternal grandfather is state Rep. Randy Voepel, a Republican assemblyman who in the past has aligned himself with the tea party movement and spoken in favor of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. Voepel lost his seat in November after a redistricting change.

The family was living in San Antonio at the time of Laura Voepel’s arrest on arson-related charges in 2012. The case wound its way through a Texas court for several years, and according to court records, the defendant was ordered to undergo psychological evaluations and mandatory drug testing. Her trial resulted in the dismissal of the arson charge but she was found guilty on a lesser charge of criminal mischief

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by Anonymousreply 38November 23, 2022 11:34 PM

He looks like Hurley from Lost.

by Anonymousreply 39November 23, 2022 11:39 PM

He looks like Kyle Rittenhouse's mother -- with a beard.

by Anonymousreply 40November 23, 2022 11:40 PM

Yes his Dad's reaction is utterly disgusting. The only thing he was concerned about when he heard his son murdered people at a gay bar was making sure he wasn't gay. A murderer is fine, but he don't want no gay son.

by Anonymousreply 41November 23, 2022 11:41 PM

Beast!

by Anonymousreply 42November 23, 2022 11:43 PM

IncelinsaneFatAssByeNellyNeyNeySpawn

by Anonymousreply 43November 23, 2022 11:44 PM

Dude was booked as a male.

Mom has referred to him as he/him.

Nobody has made a single effort to refer to him in nonbinary terms except....his defense attorney in a court filing.

What legal types call a motive.

by Anonymousreply 44November 23, 2022 11:46 PM

[quote]Nobody has made a single effort to refer to him in nonbinary terms except....his defense attorney in a court filing.

Which some of the trolls in these threads refuse to acknowledge, r44.

by Anonymousreply 45November 23, 2022 11:50 PM

R45, the only people pushing the non-binary thing are a). obvious trolls with a thinly-veiled agenda, and b). our cadre of DL regulars who have an extremely vested interest in making anything and everything on earth about trans/non-binary.

by Anonymousreply 46November 23, 2022 11:54 PM

CBS is running the nonbinary nonsense and the HUNTERBIDENLAPTOP filth, they have moved on from the icky American democracy stuff

by Anonymousreply 47November 23, 2022 11:57 PM

Colorado shooter appears bloodied, bruised after being stomped by trans patron in heels

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by Anonymousreply 48November 24, 2022 12:02 AM

Hire drag queens to do a "man's job".

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by Anonymousreply 49November 24, 2022 12:07 AM

There might be something developmentally wrong with him. The back of his head is flat as a pancake. 🥞

by Anonymousreply 50November 24, 2022 12:09 AM

R50, he was a failed abortion.

by Anonymousreply 51November 24, 2022 12:10 AM

R10, he's not trans. He killed trans people

by Anonymousreply 52November 24, 2022 12:11 AM

Here's an extended interview (20 min) with his dad "Dick Delaware".

For as seemingly homophobic as his dad is, it's rather ironic considering he used to be room mates with another porn star, "Dick Tracy", who also did multiple gay titles under the name "Mike Hawk".

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by Anonymousreply 53November 24, 2022 12:25 AM

His former roomie was also a meth head.

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by Anonymousreply 54November 24, 2022 12:25 AM

Seeing rumors on the Twitter machine that he was sexually molested by both parents, had a history of aggressive use of antigay epithets.

Dude's nuttier than a squirrel's nest; getting that sinking feeling the defense attorney will make an effort to link client's mental illness to trans people. Because the US is the world's largest psych ward.

by Anonymousreply 55November 24, 2022 12:30 AM

[quote]Wait 'til you get a load of his dad.

If he was my father I'd shoot myself, not other people.

by Anonymousreply 56November 24, 2022 12:32 AM

We really need to start throwing the "grooming" word back in GQP's face. They've been grooming their kids to become domestic terrorists all along. Not to mention these gross "child beauty pageants", which is just pure pedo fodder.

by Anonymousreply 57November 24, 2022 12:52 AM

The GOP's fucking SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE is a literal groomer (wrestling coach) who is now in federal prison for his habit of fucking boys.

Why isn't this brought up each and every time the GOP brings up "groomers"?

by Anonymousreply 58November 24, 2022 1:03 AM

Who stomped the first heel?

by Anonymousreply 59November 24, 2022 1:12 AM

He’s got flat head syndrome- too much time lying on his back in the crib. His parents should have gotten him one of those baby head shaping helmets.

by Anonymousreply 60November 24, 2022 1:21 AM

I’m 100% going to need to see MULTIPLE pieces of evidence this piece of shit ever identified as NB before the shooting. Otherwise it’s a disgusting, craven defense tactic.

Drug addicts, murderers, arsonists, men too fat to actually do the insurrection but support it vehemently… these are MAGA family values. Disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 61November 24, 2022 1:22 AM

Please provide the proof that the shooter was non-binary, R32. You are deliberately spreading right wing talking points. A five second Google search provides ample evidence that there’s nothing remotely LGBT about this homicidal hater.

by Anonymousreply 62November 24, 2022 1:24 AM

NYT info on the mother:

[quote] The suspect’s mother reported having a decades-long battle with mental illness and a difficult upbringing that seemed to stem from troubles at home, according to a mental evaluation filed in court documents in Texas.

[quote] She was charged in California with public intoxication in 2008, and with driving under the influence and possessing a controlled substance without a valid prescription in 2011. The mother was placed on five years’ probation in Texas after an episode in 2012 in which, after being admitted to the psychiatric ward of a San Antonio hospital, she set her bed on fire, according to court records.

[quote] Her father is a conservative Republican California legislator, Randy Voepel, who at the time of the 2012 incident was the mayor of Santee in San Diego County. Assemblyman Voepel declined to comment on his grandson’s arrest, according to a legislative aide.

by Anonymousreply 63November 24, 2022 1:29 AM

R54 Dick Tracy also did gay porn. I wonder if Delaware knew about that. Both were homophobic and bad mouthed other male performers that they suspected was gay or bi.

by Anonymousreply 64November 24, 2022 1:36 AM

r33, careful else you'll trigger the "THAT'S RACIST1!!1!" troll that hates white people being labeled as white and the terms "white trash' and 'redneck'.

[quote] I haven't followed closely, but what long term record is there of his identifying as non-binary. "They" doesn't need one. Gender/trans rules promoted over the last 10 years, have made it clear that someone doesn't need to have been publically living as the opposite sex or non-gender for any minimum period of time with any minimum amount of meaningful effort in order for their identity to be valid and respected. Their self and public acknowledgement is just them recognizing what they always were. Unless they committed a crime, in which case they were never trans/NB and you're a conservative TERF phobe cunt for even entertaining the thought. Uwu!~

by Anonymousreply 65November 24, 2022 1:47 AM

[R33], careful else you'll trigger the "THAT'S RACIST1!!1!" troll that hates white people being labeled as white and the terms "white trash' and 'redneck'.

[quote] I haven't followed closely, but what long term record is there of his identifying as non-binary.

"They" doesn't need one. Gender/trans rules promoted over the last 10 years, have made it clear that someone doesn't need to have been publically living as the opposite sex or non-gender for any minimum period of time with any minimum amount of meaningful effort in order for their identity to be valid and respected. Their self and public acknowledgement is just them recognizing what they always were. Unless they committed a crime, in which case they were never trans/NB and you're a conservative TERF phobe cunt for even entertaining the thought. Uwu!~

by Anonymousreply 66November 24, 2022 1:47 AM

Magnificent that the Vet beat the shit out of this trash and hospitalized him for days.

by Anonymousreply 67November 24, 2022 1:51 AM

This guy loathes both his parents. He threatened his mother with a bomb and he phoned his father last year to tell him he was going to kick his ass.

by Anonymousreply 68November 24, 2022 2:17 AM

I know the feeling.

by Anonymousreply 69November 24, 2022 2:19 AM

He looks like what I imagine every 4Chan user to look like.

by Anonymousreply 70November 24, 2022 7:39 AM

R70, you could not be more on the money.

by Anonymousreply 71November 24, 2022 7:43 AM

[Quote]Tranny Twitter would flip out

No, it wouldn't, you Nazi faggot. They see this for the ploy it is. The only ones pretending to buy into this act are your fellow Nazis such as Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro.

by Anonymousreply 72November 24, 2022 11:40 AM

That drag queen who spiked him with her heels helped do a number on that fat wad of boogers. He's got a head like a bastard hog.

by Anonymousreply 73November 24, 2022 11:43 AM

Reality gave him a wake up call.

by Anonymousreply 74November 24, 2022 12:13 PM

R73 Trans woman, not drag queen.

by Anonymousreply 75November 24, 2022 12:15 PM

Human trash r66 is fully on the side of Matt Walsh and other anti-gay genocidal garbage. They're the only ones insisting on the NB thing; everyone else, including trans activists, is denouncing the obvious ploy that the shooter's attorneys concocted.

by Anonymousreply 76November 24, 2022 12:31 PM

It's been reported that it was a drag queen who stomped on him, not a trans woman.

by Anonymousreply 77November 24, 2022 12:39 PM

I'm glad that tranny twitter can see this ploy for what it is, r72. It's a wonder that they don't see it for what it is when biological male rapists and murderers ask to be placed in women's prisons, where they continue to rape women, or when biological males who enjoy looking at kiddie porn and have 1000s of such images on their computers get incredibly lenient sentences because they suddenly started identifying as trans. Whenever anyone tries to point out that this could be a ploy, they are trashed by people like you.

The only solution is that all claims of being trans/enby/gender divergent by anyone who is on trial or convicted of a crime should not immediately be believed but should be thoroughly investigated.

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by Anonymousreply 78November 24, 2022 12:46 PM

R78 I won't read all that, learn to be brief, you Nazi Aspie.

by Anonymousreply 79November 24, 2022 12:49 PM

R77 It was a trans woman.

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by Anonymousreply 80November 24, 2022 12:50 PM

Of course you won't read it, r79, you support rapists, murderers and child abusers who identify as trans. Here's another one for you:

[quote]A Tory peer is leading calls to review a judge’s decision not to jail a paedophile who identifies as transgender after their conviction for possession of more than 125,000 child abuse images.

...

[quote]A judge deemed last week that a jail sentence was unnecessary because Selby, 68, was “manageable in the community” and had sought therapy, but also considered Selby’s gender identity.

[quote]At Newcastle crown court, Recorder Geraldine Kelly told Selby: “You identify as transgender and that has caused issues for you and anxiety for you in how you would cope with that if you were sent immediately to prison.”

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by Anonymousreply 81November 24, 2022 12:54 PM

R80, weirdly the drag queen/trans person has not commented on the issue. It is other people defining her labels. Also, oddly, Fierro consistently mentions a "kid" who helped him subdue the shooter, but he seems to be left out of news reports. Only Fierro and the high heel wielding person are mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 82November 24, 2022 12:56 PM

The "dad" looks like the result of ten generations of brothers and sisters having kids. Jesus fucking god damned christ.

by Anonymousreply 83November 24, 2022 12:57 PM

Pity that one of his eyes wasn't gouged out by the heels.

by Anonymousreply 84November 24, 2022 12:58 PM

It is guaranteed the inbred dad 100% smells like dirty asshole. Swamp ass. Ewwwww imagine sucking that.

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by Anonymousreply 85November 24, 2022 1:06 PM

So what's the line for when somebody can't claim to be non-binary and we automatically have to believe it because in every other case up till this one we're supposed to accept whatever label anybody gives them and if you even hint that you might be questioning about it your immediately accused of being low down biggest so really why is this guy any different. No matter what he claims to be I think he's trash and I could care less really what happens to him even though I don't believe in the death penalty I wouldn't mind if somebody just beat the f*** out of him and he died.

by Anonymousreply 86November 24, 2022 1:10 PM

trans is insanity, and not the interesting kind.

by Anonymousreply 87November 24, 2022 1:11 PM

It is easy to lie about your gender, huh? Anyone can do it, right?

by Anonymousreply 88November 24, 2022 1:11 PM

Can't anybody just lie about being gay too? There's no way to "prove" that you're gay; I don't understand why a transgender identity seems to be the only one that people think can be used to avoid taking responsibility.

by Anonymousreply 89November 24, 2022 1:42 PM

R80, it was a drag queen named Thomas James, a Navy man who is still in the hospital with injuries.

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by Anonymousreply 90November 24, 2022 1:44 PM

r82, it's reportedly a sailor named Thomas James who is still in the hospital, which may be why he hasn't commented yet.

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by Anonymousreply 91November 24, 2022 1:45 PM

R88 yeah , and you're a disgusting transphobic bigot if you ever question somebody's self ID because using the wrong pronouns is literal genocide . Except if the trans umbrella themby goes off script and detransitions , wears fetish breasts on the job or kills other queer people . Then he/she/it /frogself/attack helicopter was never eactually trans . And on the last part , the victims have to be queer , if the victims are women and/or children the person is still proudly trans and needs to be housed in a women's prison .

by Anonymousreply 92November 24, 2022 2:04 PM

[quote]There's no way to "prove" that you're gay

Hmm. My penis tells me otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 93November 24, 2022 2:06 PM

R89, bad comparison. Gay people don't demand that everyone addresses us by our sexuality, nor do we demand special privileges. If someone doesn't know or care or believe that we're gay, it really doesn't matter.

by Anonymousreply 94November 24, 2022 2:53 PM

Gay men don't even exist. It is a fake identity like being black.

by Anonymousreply 95November 24, 2022 2:56 PM

[quote] Can't anybody just lie about being gay too? There's no way to "prove" that you're gay;

But if prosecutors doubt the killer's binary claim, they may find evidence that makes it more or less convincing. Was it evident that he was telling people he was binary (they/them) before it was revealed in court documents? If they find his real social media accounts or if they talk to friends or acquaintances, they may found out if he was talking about his gender identity before the shooting. What they/them pronoun person keeps it a secret from everyone? If the first time ANYONE in his online or real life found out about his binary status was after the shooting, then they jury can weigh whether it was only done to avoid hate crime charges.

by Anonymousreply 96November 24, 2022 3:01 PM

According to TMZ:

Andreson Lee Aldrich says their nonbinary, but not everyone believes them. Several friends have come out and said they never even hinted they were prior to the murders. Some believe they're saying this to avoid being hit with hate crimes in addition to murder and other charges.

by Anonymousreply 97November 24, 2022 3:09 PM

This may very well put a bullet in the concept of self-ID, once and for all. Just too easy to exploit for personal gain.

by Anonymousreply 98November 24, 2022 3:14 PM

Well you can't really judge by whether they told people before now because it may simply have been a case of them not wanting to out themselves so really any attempt to discount or deny them this self identity is bigotry according to what I've been being screamed at for the last couple of years but if it's not then why can't we question anybody else and they're supposed identities?

by Anonymousreply 99November 24, 2022 3:21 PM

R5 Thanks for posting.

JFC. I want to believe this is literally the bottom of humanity's barrel, but they keep on surprising us with new lows.

by Anonymousreply 100November 24, 2022 3:22 PM

I wish someone would beat the Fathers ass too. He encouraged his pos kid. Fucking kid had no reason to murder those peop!e. Its gotten that I won't look at the news for a while.

by Anonymousreply 101November 24, 2022 3:26 PM

When did the nonbinary descriptor come up? Before or after he was stomped on by drag queens?

by Anonymousreply 102November 24, 2022 3:31 PM

There's now a new common trend or thread of parents of these types being irresponsible or just batshit crazy. Crimo guy, and now this dude.

by Anonymousreply 103November 24, 2022 4:10 PM

After, r102. But the trolls don't want to hear that.

by Anonymousreply 104November 24, 2022 4:26 PM

R90 The army, Thomas James, violence ... Sounds like toxic masculinity to me! Dumb joke aside, I'm glad the human trash was incapacitated and I am also happy he survived. I hope he gets a long long time to think about what he did in prison. Hopefully in a man's prison.

by Anonymousreply 105November 24, 2022 4:35 PM

May he suffer till his last breath.

by Anonymousreply 106November 24, 2022 4:39 PM

The father will make another porno. Some company will offer him money to exploit his situation. After that, he will OD. Too bad the kid didn’t just kill the father, instead of all of the innocent victims.

by Anonymousreply 107November 24, 2022 5:14 PM

Drugs are bad, kids!

by Anonymousreply 108November 24, 2022 5:15 PM

The kid should have killed the mom too. Both parents sound awful and toxic.

by Anonymousreply 109November 24, 2022 5:16 PM

The drag queens who danced the tarantella upon its head are nonbinary, not the perp.

by Anonymousreply 110November 24, 2022 5:19 PM

We haven’t heard that much about the mother. The kid had no parental guidance. For godsakes he has a flat head because nobody could bother to turn him over in his crib. Looking like he does, he will be prison “stuff” for the rest of his life. A pass around back door receptacle. He will be nothing but abused. He won’t even be a person.

by Anonymousreply 111November 24, 2022 5:22 PM

Maga grandpa thinks admitting he hasn't been in contact with his 22 years old grandson in over ten years helps his image out.

It doesn't.

It just further exposes maga as the worthless, meth smoking, feces flingers that they are.

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by Anonymousreply 112November 24, 2022 5:27 PM

The party of 'family values'!

by Anonymousreply 113November 24, 2022 5:28 PM

R86

I can help you find the line!!

When a known gun nut with mental issues murders 5 innocent bystanders, and then their lawyers insist the shooter is in fact non-binary without ANY previous supporting evidence, we can be sure their non-binary identity is a ploy to avoid a hate crime.

That’s the line!

by Anonymousreply 114November 24, 2022 8:01 PM

[quote]When a known gun nut with mental issues murders 5 innocent bystanders, and then their lawyers insist the shooter is in fact non-binary without ANY previous supporting evidence, we can be sure their non-binary identity is a ploy to avoid a hate crime.

Now, now, r114, don't be bringing common sense into this discussion. The trolls will *not* have it.

by Anonymousreply 115November 24, 2022 8:05 PM

It's soul-crushing how the "heheh, check out how hard this mass shooter is owning the libs" sort of attitude that used to be the domain of blackpilled incels on 4chan is now what every right wing pundit is saying.

"Check out this epic trolling from a murderer"

idk man, check out the inside of a woodchipper

If Keith Olbermann thought it was epic if a meth addict did a mass shooting in a Floridian trailer park he'd be cancelled immediately. This demonic bloodthirsty nihilism has no "opposite" equivalent.

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by Anonymousreply 116November 24, 2022 8:05 PM

This, r115! Although, it's scarily close to what the TERFs and that witch JK Rowling have been saying all along about the male rapists, murderers and child abusers who suddenly come to the realisation that they're trans so that they can get put in a women's prison or have their sentence lessened. It's a dangerous line of thinking, though. Next you'll be saying that some transwomen athletes who suddenly discover they're trans after not doing so well in the men's competition are deliberately saying they're trans in order to participate in the women's competitions so that they can be winners.

Next thing, you'll be questioning whether gender self-id is a good thing!

by Anonymousreply 117November 24, 2022 8:22 PM

It's just too bad they didn't beat "them" some more. The little shit needed some more ass kicking.

by Anonymousreply 118November 24, 2022 8:25 PM

He is not non-binary. It’s an attempt at a lesser sentence. I saw on the news a guy who knew him said it wasn’t true and that he knew him to be a homophobe.

by Anonymousreply 119November 24, 2022 8:27 PM

But how they can prove the shooter is not nonbinary?

If there is no prior history, they/them can just say they were in the closet and are now coming out. What else is required?

by Anonymousreply 120November 24, 2022 8:31 PM

Lotta people willing to let deranged murderers dictate their thinking ITT

R118 After subduing him, they should have locked the doors and made sure he’ll never walk or piss normally ever again.

by Anonymousreply 121November 24, 2022 8:36 PM

[quote] Although, it's scarily close to what the TERFs and that witch JK Rowling have been saying all along

No, militant "lesbian" @ r117, it isn't.

by Anonymousreply 122November 24, 2022 8:37 PM

[quote]He is not non-binary. It’s an attempt at a lesser sentence. I saw on the news a guy who knew him said it wasn’t true and that he knew him to be a homophobe.

We know that, r119, but the trolls insist on trolling.

by Anonymousreply 123November 24, 2022 8:39 PM

At the very least, they/them might be aiming to eventually be placed in a female prison. Makes sense since they will likely be behind bars for decades.

by Anonymousreply 124November 24, 2022 8:41 PM

R114 oh okay so then like if he had only murdered four people or if it were like five people but they were innocent bystanders then we couldn't question it so five still is the minimum got it

by Anonymousreply 125November 24, 2022 9:04 PM

Also there can't be previous evidence or not because it presents however they say a presents on whatever day they're presenting as whatever they say they are so really anything you would claim is a lack of evidence they would just say you don't get to dictate how trans and non binary people present themselves

by Anonymousreply 126November 24, 2022 9:06 PM

That’s like a white supremacist shooting up black people and using the defense “I’m actually a black man in a white man’s body!”

by Anonymousreply 127November 24, 2022 9:11 PM

Agree with R126. Nonbinary is not something that can be disproven.

by Anonymousreply 128November 24, 2022 9:14 PM

[quote]Also there can't be previous evidence or not

Nice double negative, r126.

by Anonymousreply 129November 24, 2022 9:16 PM

[quote]Also there can't be previous evidence or not because it presents however they say a presents on whatever day they're presenting as whatever they say they are so really anything you would claim is a lack of evidence they would just say you don't get to dictate how trans and non binary people present themselves

r126 - Not the way this will play out in a court of law, drama queen.

by Anonymousreply 130November 24, 2022 9:18 PM

Next Trump will claim to be non-binary to get LGBTQ+ votes!

by Anonymousreply 131November 24, 2022 9:29 PM

It's not just trolls pushing this, news media insert the non binary gag in the opening discussion.

This is an overt attempt to push down the magat connection.

by Anonymousreply 132November 24, 2022 9:29 PM

The right-wing bots are getting dumber by the day. Never seen a less convincing trolling than whatever r126/r128 is trying to do.

by Anonymousreply 133November 24, 2022 9:30 PM

[quote]It's not just trolls pushing this, news media insert the non binary gag in the opening discussion.

Which is giving the trolls what they think is ammunition.

by Anonymousreply 134November 24, 2022 9:33 PM

I'm not by any stretch a right-wing troll I just don't understand how you can discount this person's claim to be non-binary when we are told. That we have to accept exactly what people claim they are because that's what they are no matter how they look or act or have previously conducted themselves under no circumstances is that ever to be questioned so why only in the case of this crime there have been many other violent crimes committed by so-called non-binary folks but we don't question their self ID so why only this time.

Just to be clear I think he's scum I hope he dies a painful painful death and this is clearly a ploy but I think in a lot of cases the people that claim this are using it as a way of gaining attention or some sort of status in their minds however because I've stated this people have called me a turf so help me understand why in this case we can discount it.

by Anonymousreply 135November 24, 2022 9:38 PM

[quote]I'm not by any stretch a right-wing troll I just don't understand how you can discount this person's claim to be non-binary when we are told. That we have to accept exactly what people claim they are because that's what they are no matter how they look or act or have previously conducted themselves under no circumstances is that ever to be questioned so why only in the case of this crime there have been many other violent crimes committed by so-called non-binary folks but we don't question their self ID so why only this time.

You may not be a right-wing troll, r135, but you're sure coming off as obtuse.

[quote]That we have to accept exactly what people claim they are because that's what they are no matter how they look or act or have previously conducted themselves under no circumstances is that ever to be questioned

FALSE

[quote]so why only in the case of this crime there have been many other violent crimes committed by so-called non-binary folks but we don't question their self ID so why only this time.

Because their self ID could possibly be used to avoid the hate crime charge, that's why it's important if this is just a sudden invention by the lawyers/defendant. What are the specific "non-binary folks" cases you refer to where the binary status of the defendant was pertinent to the charges but not addressed? You said there were "many".

by Anonymousreply 136November 24, 2022 10:10 PM

These claims of nonbinary identification are discounted because of his deliberate act of terrorism against gay men and trans people first and secondly, he received a name change that is masculine. Thirdly, his online presence doesn't mention his identification as nonbinary.

Fourthly, his meth daddy openly expressed relief that his son was in a GAY BAR to murder innocent people and not there because he is gay.

by Anonymousreply 137November 24, 2022 10:15 PM

The "more lenient sentence" part is what confuses me. Dude was subdued in the process of spraying a night club with bullets and murdering 5 people, there is no possibility of mistaken identity here. I don't see how he could get anything less than life without parole based on that alone. What leniency does the nonbinary defense get him—his next incarnation won't be born in a women's prison?

by Anonymousreply 138November 24, 2022 11:16 PM

R136 Don't waste time. Nothing you saw is going sway the troll. It's here to sow confusion on behalf of the shooter abd his right-wing cheerleaders.

by Anonymousreply 139November 25, 2022 1:13 AM

* say

I really wasn't born to type on a cell phone.

by Anonymousreply 140November 25, 2022 1:22 AM

[quote]I really wasn't born to type on a cell phone.

None of us were, r140.

by Anonymousreply 141November 25, 2022 1:30 AM

"dazed and bloodied"

And Kyle Rittenhouse "cried".

by Anonymousreply 142November 25, 2022 2:01 AM

[quote]That we have to accept exactly what people claim they are because that's what they are no matter how they look or act or have previously conducted themselves under no circumstances is that ever to be questioned so why only in the case of this crime there have been many other violent crimes committed by so-called non-binary folks but we don't question their self ID so why only this time.

I wish you identified as someone who didn't write a run-on sentence with no punctuation.

by Anonymousreply 143November 25, 2022 2:33 AM

R143, run-on sentence or not, that poster has a great point. Thanks for quoting it.

by Anonymousreply 144November 25, 2022 2:36 AM

It's the meth, r143.

by Anonymousreply 145November 25, 2022 2:36 AM

The Nazi trolls always tell on themselves with the quick self-upvoting (as seen in r144). They're so desperate to be thought of as popular.

by Anonymousreply 146November 25, 2022 2:41 AM

R138, it helps they/them possibly avoid being accused of a hate crime since they/them is a member of the community.

The attorneys for they/them will be using the shooter's preferred pronouns in court and that will help influence the jury into seeing the shooter as a member of the community.

They/them may also try to bring up being on the spectrum as a factor as many nonbinaries have that condition.

Also, I believe the mainstream media will stop covering this case because the shooter is now identifying as nonbinary and it goes against their narrative that transgenders are always victims and never the perpetrators of crime. It also brings into question the very validity of identifying as trans or nonbinary.

The media doesn't want to use the shooter's preferred pronouns but can't avoid it because they would be accused of being inconsistent and hypocritical. Plus, some of their wokest audience members would even accuse them of transphobia.

Having less media coverage is helpful to the defense. It's not like they/them is going to get off. It's about getting a lighter sentence in some way, maybe a psych placement, maybe placement at a female facility.

by Anonymousreply 147November 25, 2022 2:55 AM

How can somebody be so fat and hideous at age 22?

by Anonymousreply 148November 25, 2022 3:35 AM

[Quote] and secondly, he received a name change that is masculine.

Wtf. You people have no problem with (or don't have this level of reaction) A Man named BRYAN winning Women's pageant very recently.

When I say no problem I dont mean the murderer/criminal part but whatever these men choose to identify as (nonbinary, tranny) with Very Intact Male names or Male faces or Male bodies with penises.

by Anonymousreply 149November 25, 2022 3:53 AM

I guess the plain mother met the father over two decades ago, before he was a methed-out, fighter-porn performer (and no doubt hustler, when the money dried up)?

Or maybe it was a one-night stand.

by Anonymousreply 150November 25, 2022 3:59 AM

Who is you people?

by Anonymousreply 151November 25, 2022 4:04 AM

I think you people are the ones that have decided that self-id only extends to as far as when you decide that it doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 152November 25, 2022 4:49 AM

Even if this kid is legit nonbinary, I don’t see why that would clear them off committing a hate crime

by Anonymousreply 153November 25, 2022 6:24 AM

Yeah, he's going down for life for killing several people either way. Seems like he's just being a big troll.

by Anonymousreply 154November 25, 2022 6:36 AM

R153 it wouldn't and he's clearly trolling but it's trans activists who now have to walk into a trap of their own making . They have to accept this guy's self identification because they have been aggressively promoting the idea that everyone is who they say they are , no opposition or questioning allowed and no actual transition or dysphoria needed . So they have to accept him or admit that those evil genocidal Terfs may have a point on some issues .

by Anonymousreply 155November 25, 2022 12:20 PM

Why is r149 defending an anti-gay killer's story so much? Is r149 part of its defense team?

by Anonymousreply 156November 25, 2022 12:42 PM

DL lawyers - the feds can bring hate crime charges independently of the state, correct? And with federal sentences there’s no parole, your must serve at least 85% of your sentence. It seems to me that his defense team is desperate (as they should be) and are throwing absolutely everything at the wall to see what sticks and avoid a federal rap on top of state charges.

by Anonymousreply 157November 25, 2022 2:23 PM

The NB thing makes the shooter sound like a troll from these gutter websites like 4chan and kiwifarms. It only makes more clear he was anti-gay.

by Anonymousreply 158November 25, 2022 2:25 PM

Nonbinaries are anti-gay, r158.

by Anonymousreply 159November 25, 2022 5:12 PM

Anderson Aldrich, mom caught on video using racist slurs at airport

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by Anonymousreply 160November 25, 2022 6:43 PM

R159

Troll.

by Anonymousreply 161November 25, 2022 7:48 PM

REALLLLLLLY jealous the person who recorded this video got to call the scumbeast a fatass in person. Jealous!!

by Anonymousreply 162November 25, 2022 8:33 PM

"De La O said she also remembers a chilling comment Aldrich made while getting off the plane.

“I wish I can shoot all of you right now,” she said they muttered."

(Aside: I love that the N.Y. Post respected his non-binary status.)

by Anonymousreply 163November 25, 2022 8:45 PM

The post is really pushing the nonbinary identification and downplaying Methdaddy Mormon and Grandpa Maga.

by Anonymousreply 164November 25, 2022 8:51 PM

No, it's not trolling to point out the fact that nonbinaries are anti-gay, r161. They absolutely are. Once you claim sex/gender don't exist, then you are telling same-sex attracted people that we don't exist.

by Anonymousreply 165November 26, 2022 9:47 AM

R165 How long have you been retarded? How long have you been a troll? How long have you been a retarded troll?

by Anonymousreply 166November 26, 2022 9:58 AM

Amazing argument, r166. So well considered. Now, tell me this, how can Sam Smith be a gay man if he is not a man but is a nonbinary instead? Calling him a man is transphobic, according to your logic.

by Anonymousreply 167November 26, 2022 10:14 AM

"Now tell me this". How can a troll like you put words in my mouth that I never said and then pretend you're making some point based on shit that you said yourself. Are you that delusional or just a fuckhead.

by Anonymousreply 168November 26, 2022 10:42 AM

R167 Do you think Sam Smith is anti-gay? Do you think he's going to shoot up a gay bar one day? You should call the police with your evidence, then.

And Muriel should ban you for trolling and derailing on behalf of an anti-gay shooter nobody believes in except the people who inflamed him (Chaya Raichik, Matt Walsh, etc.).

by Anonymousreply 169November 26, 2022 11:25 AM

Police must have evidence about his anti-gay views:

Shortly after Aldrich’s initial court appearance Wednesday, Fourth Judicial District Attorney Michael Allen said at a news conference that the suspect’s gender identity would not affect his charging decision.

“I’m looking at evidence, evidence of what occurred here,” he said. “That’s what we look at when we make filing decisions.”

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by Anonymousreply 170November 26, 2022 11:26 AM

R168, I didn't put any words into your mouth, I asked you to explain with your own words what you believe, but you are incapable of that. Perhaps because your beliefs aren't particularly coherent and if you made the effort to think them through to their full extent, you'd realise that they are anti-homosexual.

by Anonymousreply 171November 26, 2022 11:31 AM

R169 are you saying that the definition of anti-gay is to shoot up gay bars (are we actually allowed to call Club Q a gay bar? I thought the only permissible description was that it is an LGBTQ+ bar)? So, if someone hasn't shot up a gay bar then he/she can't be homophobic, according to you. Unless you agree that there are a myriad of ways to be anti-gay.

Sam Smith thinks gay men can have vaginas and that lesbians can have penises. How exactly does that make gay people's lives easier? Sam Sam Smith doesn't even believe that he's a gay man. There's no internalised homophobia in that position, is there?

by Anonymousreply 172November 26, 2022 11:36 AM

R172 Do you think Sam Smith is a danger to gay men? Do you think he has hatred for gay men as a group, like conservatives do?

by Anonymousreply 173November 26, 2022 11:53 AM

The Prosecution is going to nail this fat fuck to the cross with his non binary bullshit with a long history of hateful anti LGBT texts, declarations to others, etc.

His defense team is going to do a lot of dancing throughout this case.

by Anonymousreply 174November 26, 2022 2:05 PM

R165/r167 is a trolly troll. Best to block and ignore.

by Anonymousreply 175November 26, 2022 3:22 PM

Nonbinaries hate LGB people, r170, so being nonbinary wouldn't actually stop Aldrich from hating homosexual people.

Yes, please do put me on block and ignore, r175. You don't actually have any arguments, facts, comprehension of reality, all you can do is attempt to slur and smear so as to silence. Being confronted with opinions you disagree with, freely expressed, must be very stressful for you.

by Anonymousreply 176November 26, 2022 6:45 PM

Miraculous (and sexy ginger cub) survivor.

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by Anonymousreply 177November 28, 2022 7:58 PM

“Fierro has spoken publicly about those minutes, stating that he was able to grab one of the shooter’s guns, then threw him to the ground. At this point, Fierro says James jumped in and helped push a second firearm away from the suspect, then the two men began repeatedly beating him with his own weapon.

A third person, who has not been identified publicly, helped the two men keep the suspect down, according to Fierro.

“One of the performers walked by or was running by, and I told her, ‘Kick this guy, kick this guy,’ and she took her high heel and stuffed it in his face,” Fierro said.

It’s unclear if James was hurt before or during his heroic actions.“

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by Anonymousreply 178November 28, 2022 8:06 PM
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