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Gay hookup gone bad: the case of Joshua Guimond (still missing 20 years later)

I saw the case of Josh Guimond posted on a recent thread and am now fascinated because he’s so cute (or was).

We often joke on DL that these missing or true crime cases involving lone men were gay hookups gone bad. Sometimes they were, but often they weren’t. However this one clearly was even if it wasn’t openly acknowledged at the time it happened (2002). It was on Unsolved Mysteries back in the day. This original link from the show that another poster shared on a recent thread has a lot of the primary information on the case from two decades ago:

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by Anonymousreply 99December 6, 2022 8:54 AM

Just three weeks ago authorities released images of men from gay dating sites that were found on Josh’s computer. The files had originally been wiped from his computer by someone (still unidentified) in the days following his disappearance. Very creepy! Who was it? This recent article also has new information.

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by Anonymousreply 1November 23, 2022 11:50 AM

Sounds like family or school officials didn’t want to openly admit they suspected the crime involved gay stuff, and a lot of time and energy was wasted for years trying to dredge lakes and stuff just to save face. Sad.

by Anonymousreply 2November 23, 2022 11:52 AM

DO YOU RECOGNIZE ANY OF THESE MEN? (from 2002, in Minnesota)

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by Anonymousreply 3November 23, 2022 11:55 AM

Damn shame. Looked like a nice fellow.

by Anonymousreply 4November 23, 2022 11:56 AM

He was adorable, very young, naive and closeted. Some psychopath targeted him. Very sad.

by Anonymousreply 5November 23, 2022 11:59 AM

He was cute.

by Anonymousreply 6November 23, 2022 12:09 PM

R3 - Sadly, I suspect a few of those guys are still using the same pic online 20 years later...

by Anonymousreply 7November 23, 2022 12:35 PM

What if some of those guys are closet cases.

by Anonymousreply 8November 23, 2022 12:40 PM

And are the police idiots? Second row, left. Serial killer.

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by Anonymousreply 9November 23, 2022 12:42 PM

I meant second row, right. But left is mysterious and creepy as well.

by Anonymousreply 10November 23, 2022 12:42 PM

[Quote][R3] - Sadly, I suspect a few of those guys are still using the same pic online 20 years later...

The shirtless muscle-bound one most probably is.

by Anonymousreply 11November 23, 2022 12:45 PM

R3 - Let's guess which ones are tops and which ones are bottoms!

by Anonymousreply 12November 23, 2022 12:51 PM

Alright 50-something Missouri WHORES, start remembering!

by Anonymousreply 13November 23, 2022 1:02 PM

Surely there had to be dick pics saved on his computer hard drive as well. Wouldn’t a checkerboard of penis close-ups be more helpful in identifying suspects? For those that use glory holes?

by Anonymousreply 14November 23, 2022 1:08 PM

I had never heard of this all male christian university "Saint John’s University". Couldn't he get laid easily on campus? Or was everyone a desperate closet case? Must have been about 50% closet homos, no?

by Anonymousreply 15November 23, 2022 1:42 PM

Could you imagine seeing yourself on that photo lineup twenty years later?

by Anonymousreply 16November 23, 2022 1:42 PM

After watching the unsolved mysteries, I think he met up with one of the monks and Joshua recognized him and the monk freaked out

by Anonymousreply 17November 23, 2022 3:19 PM

Are you kidding me? Cops freely circulating pics from a gay hook up site. This is insane.

by Anonymousreply 18November 23, 2022 3:30 PM

An unspoken mystery in Minnesota.

by Anonymousreply 19November 23, 2022 3:35 PM

I think solving a cold murder case, a tragic one, is more important than some rando having their photo recognized on a dating site from twenty years ago. It’s not like this is a national news story.

by Anonymousreply 20November 23, 2022 3:37 PM

Poor, sweet kid. Looks like he was struggling to come out of the closet as best he knew how at that time and place, and unfortunately crossed paths with a predator. Damn shame indeed.

by Anonymousreply 21November 23, 2022 3:39 PM

R18 Gay sites aren't anonymous.

[Quote]But while the Internet offers anonymity, which so many LGBTQ people take advantage of to interact in secret every day, it can also create a permanent record and become tangible "evidence," which some responders said led to their outing.

[Quote]"My mom found a webpage where I discussed my sexual orientation," said one responder. "I was basically outed to her and then my whole family because I was on this space online."

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by Anonymousreply 22November 23, 2022 3:49 PM

Him running away to start a new life somewhere seems unlikely, but not impossible. He may have died a few years later as a “John Doe” and was never properly identified.

by Anonymousreply 23November 23, 2022 4:00 PM

“They discovered that Guimond had been spending time on Yahoo! Personals, chatting online with other men and sometimes portraying himself as a female.”

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by Anonymousreply 24November 23, 2022 4:05 PM

Gay face you could see from space!

by Anonymousreply 25November 23, 2022 4:32 PM

[quote]It was on Unsolved Mysteries back in the day.

"Back in the day"? It was released in October.

by Anonymousreply 26November 23, 2022 4:56 PM

He was a shape shifter, sometimes attractive sometimes not

by Anonymousreply 27November 23, 2022 5:01 PM

[quote]Him running away to start a new life somewhere seems unlikely, but not impossible.

The specific circumstances of his very abrupt disappearance -- what he was wearing when he walked off, the condition in which he left his dorm room -- make it very clear that's not what happened.

by Anonymousreply 28November 23, 2022 5:12 PM

[quote] Could you imagine seeing yourself on that photo lineup twenty years later?

I haven't changed. One. Iota.

by Anonymousreply 29November 23, 2022 11:03 PM

It was summer, then suddenly he was devoured by street urchins! Save me, Dr. Sugar!

by Anonymousreply 30November 23, 2022 11:06 PM

R30 One SLS reference per month is enough and we just had one yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 31November 23, 2022 11:56 PM

Monks are trouble!

by Anonymousreply 32November 24, 2022 12:18 AM

Where was Andrew Cunanan at the time?

by Anonymousreply 33November 24, 2022 12:47 AM

^ Dead

by Anonymousreply 34November 24, 2022 12:49 AM

R19 - “ An unspoken mystery in Minnesota.”

Senator Amy Jean Klobuchar is on it!

by Anonymousreply 35November 24, 2022 12:55 AM

i just watched this episode a few hours ago, and it's ridiculous how his ex-girlfriend, male friend and I think one other person said they didn't think he was gay AT ALL.

HELLO, he had pics on his computer of men that are obviously from a dating website and he was catfishing these men as well. What do they think - that he was just doing this for fun? He was clearly closeted and gay, at a religious university in MINNESOTA doncha know?! Not exactly the most gay-accepting state/area then (or probably even now).

Some people are just too stupid for words.

by Anonymousreply 36November 24, 2022 1:14 AM

Why does the DLer upthread think this was featured on Unsolved Mysteries “back in the day”? Is that really true?

I feel so bad for this kid. He doesn’t have “gay face” to me—he looks *exactly* like a friend of mine, and that friend isn’t gay, so when I see pictures of this kid I just see my straight friend. I don’t doubt that this kid was gay or bi though.

by Anonymousreply 37November 24, 2022 1:23 AM

Thanks for that amazing "contribution" to the thread, R37.

by Anonymousreply 38November 24, 2022 1:38 AM

His dad reminds me of a character from Drop Dead Gorgeous

by Anonymousreply 39November 24, 2022 2:01 AM

He was catfishing straight guys

by Anonymousreply 40November 24, 2022 2:04 AM

Jack, the ex boyfriend who lived in Idaho reminds me of Josh. Both had long term girlfriends who they broke up with graduation in sight and he has Gay face for days.

by Anonymousreply 41November 24, 2022 2:09 AM

I actually know someone who knew this dude, albeit they were just acquaintances. I remember when this happened; the gay assault idea has always been on people's mind due to St. John housing a lot of pedophile priests (there's a great website on it, something about pine curtain). My friend described him as something of an overachiever and what would be now termed a social justice warrior. Supposedly he was doing a paper on the (then mostly unknown) sexual scandals of the Catholic Church. People suspect he had a run in with one of the kiddie-diddlers that existed on campus and met an unfortunate end. While there was never any mention of Josh's sexuality at the time, people at the time felt he was trolling the gay priests in an attempt to bolster his research. It is entirely possible he was gay, but the group of photos recovered seems a bit odd. I don't know about anyone else, but if I keep a photo from a dude, it's usually the sexy nude shots, as opposed to a simple headshot (granted they also could be cropped to exclude offensive material). At any rate, I am really happy to see some renewed interest in this case. It was really sad and scary and from what I know he was a really great sweet guy who never had any business disappearing the way he did.

by Anonymousreply 42November 24, 2022 6:52 AM

Does anyone know, at that time would his computer need to have been “washed” in person with the person there in front of it, or could it have been done remotely through the modem?

by Anonymousreply 43November 24, 2022 8:38 AM

[quote]Supposedly he was doing a paper on the (then mostly unknown) sexual scandals of the Catholic Church.

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by Anonymousreply 44November 24, 2022 11:43 AM

Very sad. He was not much older than me and only 5 hours away by car. (that’s not considered terribly far in the Midwest) I never heard of the case until now. We weren’t in the same media market but big regional stories always spill over. This must not have been big at the time.

Can’t believe how few details the linked story had.

by Anonymousreply 45November 24, 2022 12:48 PM

[quote]I had never heard of this all male christian university "Saint John’s University". Couldn't he get laid easily on campus?

The College of Saint Benedict and Saint John's University are two closely related private, Catholic higher education institutions in Minnesota. The College of Saint Benedict is a women's college located in St. Joseph, while Saint John's University is a men's college in Collegeville.

The "Unsolved Mysteries" episode said the university had only about 2,000 students at the time of Josh's disappearance in 2002. The total number of students at Saint John's and Saint Benedict's is still less than 4,000 today.

At such a small religious school, especially at that time, I don't imagine it would allow the privacy or anonymity for someone like Josh to explore his sexuality openly.

by Anonymousreply 46November 24, 2022 1:14 PM

Collegeville, MN is also located in a rural area - about midway between Minneapolis and the South Dakota state border - roughly 1.5 - 2 hours from each.

Not an easy place to be young gay in 2002 - especially given the church's anti-gay teachings.

by Anonymousreply 47November 24, 2022 1:18 PM

What does OP say the case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries “back in the day”? It’s case on the current season on Netflix

by Anonymousreply 48November 24, 2022 1:26 PM

I think he just fell in the water

by Anonymousreply 49November 24, 2022 1:26 PM

[Quote] It's ridiculous how his ex-girlfriend, male friend and I think one other person said they didn't think he was gay AT ALL.

Gay doesn’t even register in the minds of many ultra religious people—and it was more so years ago

by Anonymousreply 50November 24, 2022 1:29 PM

From the Unsolved.com site:

“Joshua Guimond was excelling as a political science student at St. John’s University in Collegeville, Minnesota. He was just 20 years old, but already politically active on campus and co-captain of the Mock Trial team, with plans to attend Yale law school and serve in the Minnesota State House of Representatives. Josh was mild-mannered, studious, and responsible. Friends and family were only half joking when they said he might even be the U.S. President one day.”

What does it mean “with plans to attend Yale Law School….”?

I have plans to become the Queen of the World, but that’s not in my bio.

by Anonymousreply 51November 24, 2022 1:31 PM

R49 that or it was a random hook up gone bad . Like the guy expected a woman because Joshua catfished him . Or he was trans and trying out a female identity online with the same deadly results in a real life encounter . I honestly think the pedo priest conspiracy angle is just obscuring the most likely scenario .

by Anonymousreply 52November 24, 2022 1:47 PM

R51 I always find it amusing when a youngin’ or their parents utter nonsense like that. Probably the single most rarified graduate program in the US

by Anonymousreply 53November 24, 2022 1:48 PM

And Yale isn’t taking some kid from po-dunk college just because he’s a good debater

by Anonymousreply 54November 24, 2022 2:17 PM

They questioned if people had seen Josh on the night of his disappearance, but probably neglected to ask if anyone had seen a man in a wig, dress and heels looking like they were headed for a 3 AM date!

by Anonymousreply 55November 24, 2022 2:29 PM

Sacrificed on the chapel altar my a coven of satanist priests

by Anonymousreply 56November 24, 2022 2:45 PM

r43, it was possible if he was logged into a university server, but I'd think (and I'm going by memory here) that someone would have to hack the right university server out of all the servers active, then be able to tell which specific computer he was, on the list of all computers connected to that server. It wouldn't be likely to have happened remotely, it was probably done at the computer. And it could have simply been a friend who knew he was gay and knew he would have wanted that kept hidden, so he did his pal a favor.

by Anonymousreply 57November 24, 2022 2:46 PM

If he wasn't trying to meet up with anyone and wasn't trying to have a relationship while he pretended to be a girl in chat rooms, that's not really catfishing. I mean, if I post on DL that I'm a millionaire playboy with a harem of twinks at my disposal, am I catfishing you?

by Anonymousreply 58November 24, 2022 2:57 PM

Poor Josh, it's ok to young and cute and aspirational...and very naive

by Anonymousreply 59November 24, 2022 3:01 PM

[quote]Sacrificed on the chapel altar my a coven of satanist priests

Ro, I know you meant "by" a coven of satanist priests or witches...it's hard to write when you're kept sedated all the time, which is actually kind of a dream of mine now

by Anonymousreply 60November 24, 2022 3:03 PM

I agree that St. John's University in Collegeville, MN (not the one in New York) is located in a very remote area.

Don't you remember what an ordeal it was for Rose to visit St. Olaf?

by Anonymousreply 61November 24, 2022 3:05 PM

Yes I was imagining to a possibility a friend or roommate wiped the computer thinking Josh wouldn’t want the information about his “secret life” to be discovered. But then they would have to know that it was there.

If someone who knew about how Josh disappeared or was involved and knew incriminating info was there on the computer and got worried, and wiped it… much more sinister.

by Anonymousreply 62November 24, 2022 3:32 PM

R15 It's affiliated with a nearby women's college and students can take classes at both schools.

by Anonymousreply 63November 24, 2022 3:35 PM

R42 I’d imagine there were sexy or naked pictures of many of these guys on his computer as well. Dick pics too. But the police can’t really put those on an online poster looking to ID people. (or maybe they caaannn…)

by Anonymousreply 64November 24, 2022 3:37 PM

I wonder if there were nude or undressed photos of the ex girlfriend on the computer that he used when pretending to be a girl?

by Anonymousreply 65November 24, 2022 3:54 PM

[quote] sometimes portraying himself as a female.

Not smart

by Anonymousreply 66November 24, 2022 5:13 PM

Apparently he only pretended to be a woman for one of his accounts.

by Anonymousreply 67November 24, 2022 5:16 PM

According to Unsolved Mysteries, the wiping of his computer was no longer a hindrance once new tech allowed programs to find what was on the hard drive

by Anonymousreply 68November 24, 2022 5:17 PM

[quote] He was catfishing straight guys

Which can lead to a dangerous end, sadly.

by Anonymousreply 69November 24, 2022 5:20 PM

[quote]Thanks for that amazing "contribution" to the thread, [R37].

Do you issue this response to every reply you deem insufficient in some way, or was there something about mine that really triggered you?

by Anonymousreply 70November 24, 2022 5:21 PM

R70 probably b/c you stated something which had already been said. Then you followed it with something so anecdotal only you could appreciate it.

Just guessing. Not R38, who didn’t sound triggered.

by Anonymousreply 71November 24, 2022 5:30 PM

So instead of just ignoring my reply and reading the rest of the thread, he had to call me out. Thanks for needlessly being cunts, both of you.

by Anonymousreply 72November 24, 2022 5:42 PM

No worries. Happy Thanksgiving 🦃

by Anonymousreply 73November 24, 2022 5:54 PM

I miss Robert Stack the original host of "Unsolved Mysteries" whose voice could be compelling and creepy at the same time. The original also featured a then unknown Matthew Mcconaughey

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by Anonymousreply 74November 24, 2022 6:08 PM

ugly nerd, who cares

by Anonymousreply 75November 24, 2022 6:11 PM

[quote]“They discovered that Guimond had been spending time on Yahoo! Personals, chatting online with other men and sometimes portraying himself as a female.”

So I guess all of the guys pictured are tops.

by Anonymousreply 76November 24, 2022 6:30 PM

R74, it doesn’t seem like the case reenactment that MM starred in had anything to do with this case?

by Anonymousreply 77November 24, 2022 6:59 PM

The use of "triggered" above suggests the cunt stinking up this thread is the same sad, fat, unfuckable cunt that stunk up the Karen/fraus thread.

by Anonymousreply 78November 24, 2022 7:10 PM

Sorry, R70, it's just that I found your post completely pointless and silly and a total waste of time, not to mention self-contradictory. And to review, your post was:

[quote]I feel so bad for this kid. He doesn’t have “gay face” to me—he looks *exactly* like a friend of mine, and that friend isn’t gay, so when I see pictures of this kid I just see my straight friend. I don’t doubt that this kid was gay or bi though.

by Anonymousreply 79November 25, 2022 3:19 AM

Just to throw out another perspective on the computer being wiped clean (clearly it wasn't). When my roommate passed away unexpectedly a few years ago--and his mother and father and sister came to collect his belongings--I asked his mother if I could have his laptop. I didn't want the laptop (I had my own), but I knew he had gay porn on his computer and I didn't want this lady who was in her 70s turning it on and finding it. I had gone thru the computer beforehand to double check and sure enough there were leather daddy pix and tons of porn. I thought about deleting it and then letting them take the computer but instead password protected the computer and told them I didn't know the password. The sister messed around with it for an hour trying to guess the password and finally (rudely) told me I could have it. I honestly was just trying protect his family. My point is that someone might have just been keeping the family from seeing naughty things. Just sayin'.

by Anonymousreply 80November 25, 2022 3:55 AM

[quote] "Back in the day"? It was released in October.

Newsflash R26 - Unsolved Mysteries debuted in 1987. The Netflix show is just another unimaginative reboot.

by Anonymousreply 81November 25, 2022 4:57 AM

Thanks, R79. I find the majority of your posts to be bitter and rude. Everyone is dumb except you; people are too stupid to understand West Side Story, blah blah blah. You’re a miserable old theater queen with a superiority complex. There was absolutely no reason for you to single out my reply in this thread, amidst all the other inanity here and elsewhere on the site, but you did, for whatever reason.

Let’s block each other and never waste each other’s valuable (and, in your case, limited) time, shall we?

by Anonymousreply 82November 25, 2022 5:06 AM

I’ll block you, R82, if R79 won’t. Bitter, rude comments are perfectly acceptable here, btw. Your comment interrupted the flow of the thread and added nothing of value. Accept it as a teachable moment. I learned to do so after having my feelings hurt. Veteran DL’ers know what I mean. Good luck here.

by Anonymousreply 83November 25, 2022 5:15 AM

Returning the favor, R83. Thanks, bye.

by Anonymousreply 84November 25, 2022 5:27 AM

R82, you seem to be very confused. I don't believe I've ever commented anywhere, certainly not in this thread, that "people are too stupid to understand WEST SIDE STORY," and if I had made such a comment, how could you possibly know that?

by Anonymousreply 85November 25, 2022 5:35 AM

Going to watch the Unsolved Mysteries episode tonight! Thanks OP

by Anonymousreply 86November 25, 2022 4:57 PM

R70 You are fine - ignore the hall monitor trolls.

by Anonymousreply 87November 25, 2022 5:26 PM

Maybe those guys had all been victims of the monks!

by Anonymousreply 88November 25, 2022 6:37 PM

Just watched this episode this afternoon. I haven't watched many of these newer Unsolved Mysteries episodes. I really appreciated the use of the onscreen timeline and lots of references to the map. These kinds of things are often the only way I can get the facts of a case straight in my mind.

For a brief moment when they showed the pictures of those men he had been chatting to online, I thought one of them looked like one of those other missing boys, although clearly it wasn't.

R42, that's a very interesting piece of information!

That mother's comment at the end of the episode was a bit weird: "I'm going to live in the White House, and your dad is going to live in the back of beyond." I'm assuming they had a really bad divorce or something?

R64, yeah I think the police mentioned at one point that he had pornography on his computer that ranged from hetero- to homosexual.

If the earlier behaviour of the dogs was accurate, then it makes sense that maybe he was picked up by a car on that bridge and then driven away somewhere. God knows we as gay men put ourselves into some potentially dangerous situations when we want to fuck, and mostly it turns out totally fine. But there's always the chance...

by Anonymousreply 89November 27, 2022 5:55 AM

*Singing* Looking for gayface in all the wrong faces/Looking for cock in all the wrong places

by Anonymousreply 90November 27, 2022 6:05 AM

I'm so glad that finally someone on one of these shows (the friend) pointed out that polygraph machines are junk science. These American crime shows always seem to put so much stock into them usually.

by Anonymousreply 91November 27, 2022 6:09 AM

What would you do if your hookup died in front of you? O. D.'d or broke his neck or whatever. Now you have to prove to the authorities that you didn't have anything to do with their death- and come out to the world as a homosexual.

Some guys just wouldn't be able to go through that.

by Anonymousreply 92November 27, 2022 6:23 AM

[quote] I remember when this happened; the gay assault idea has always been on people's mind due to St. John housing a lot of pedophile priests (there's a great website on it, something about pine curtain).

r42 Sounds like bullshit. Guimond was an adult. Pedophiles don't rape adult males. It sounds more like gay monks are being accused because they're gay. Is there even any evidence of pedophilia among these allegedly gay monks? Or is the heterosexist media assuming they're pedohiles because they're homosexual?

by Anonymousreply 93November 27, 2022 6:48 AM

First of all St John's University is only a few miles from St. Cloud, which is one of the larger cities in Minnesota. Also, the Mississippi River runs through it, so I'm surprised people who buy into the Smiley Face Serial Killer claim haven't proposed this guy as one of the possible young victims.

It's entirely possible that he headed into St cloud to attend a party or hook up with someone and ended up over-imbibing and falling into the river. Happens all over up and down the Mississippi wherever there's a college nearby and drunken students.

But, knowing the scandals surrounding St John's University and St John's Abbey, if I were an investigator, I would look first at the monks and at the diocese. Because yes, there is a very ugly history up there of pedophile priests and monks, including ones who have had sexual encounters with St John students and with minors. I could absolutely see someone connected to the college, the Abbey, or the diocese wiping that computer in an attempt to erase any potential connections between this guy and one of their own, whom they protect at the expense of their victims. They might not have even known for sure if there was a connection, they may have gone and wiped the hard drive just in case there was.

But if the killer was a third party unrelated to the church or to the college, well - there's a lot of lakes and streams in central Minnesota to dump bodies. Not to mention forests.

by Anonymousreply 94November 27, 2022 6:49 AM

R93, there is a lot of documentation about sex offender priests and monks up at St John's Abbey. A quick Google search will uncover a lot of news articles about it. It has been a scandal in Minnesota for many years. Of course pretty much every archdiocese has its sex scandals, but what made the One about St John's Abbey stand out was the fact that they were sending sex offenders there, and allowing them to teach and interact with the student body, without revealing to anyone that these were sex offenders.

by Anonymousreply 95November 27, 2022 6:53 AM

It was quite a creepy case, I felt after it was over. Not hitting you over the head with it, but all that stuff about the monastery and them not letting the police search there, the sightings of a young man leaping from a car, the mysterious car itself - seen on campus several times. Actually, a lot of the time these US university campuses seem quite creepy because there are a lot of dark places people could get lost in. There was a girl who disappeared somewhere in Alaska, I think it was, that I read about, and basically between the common areas and the dorms was this almost wilderness that students had to walk through. It was kinda crazy. Must be beautiful surroundings, but so apt for mysteries to occur there too.

by Anonymousreply 96November 27, 2022 11:56 AM

R93, R95 is correct, the documentation out there on St. John's and its connection to the Catholic Sex scandals is legion. The website above is behindthepinecurtain.com. Be warned, it's a tough read.

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by Anonymousreply 97December 6, 2022 8:25 AM

People should stop calling this a cold case just because it’s in Minnesota.

by Anonymousreply 98December 6, 2022 8:53 AM

Minnesota is the Lake District of the states.

by Anonymousreply 99December 6, 2022 8:54 AM
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