I think it looks good, but then I like biographical movies and films about family dynamics. One thing that caught my attention: Spielberg picked a relatively unknown Canadian to play himself. Smart, especially after the West Side Story debacle with Ansel Elgort. I hope more directors follow suit. Let's see some fresh faces. Please. There's a whole world full of talented, non-famous actors out there.
The Fabelmans: What do you think?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||November 29, 2022 4:41 AM|
I think this wins Spielberg his third Best Director Oscar.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||November 19, 2022 3:36 PM|
I’ve seen it already. The trailer spells out the entire film.
Completely formulaic. I’ll skip it.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||November 19, 2022 4:02 PM|
Yeah, that’s a no from me, dawg.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||November 19, 2022 4:13 PM|
It looks like a Hallmark Channel movie about magic and the triumph of hope and all that treacle.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||November 20, 2022 7:50 AM|
These people love to mythologize themselves.
Who do they think they’re fooling these days?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||November 20, 2022 8:44 AM|
All those WASPS cast as his parents.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||November 20, 2022 9:28 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 7||November 20, 2022 9:30 AM|
I don't know how sane people make it through Spielberg films.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||November 20, 2022 9:35 AM|
It looks saccharine, but it also gave me goosebumps.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||November 20, 2022 9:38 AM|
I couldn’t make it through the trailer. Awful in all the most predictable Spielberg ways.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||November 20, 2022 9:49 AM|
The Academy loves Steven Spielberg.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||November 20, 2022 10:08 AM|
It's considered the leading contender for Best Picture already, but having seen it a week ago, I have to say it doesn't deserve that award, or any other, really.
The movie's not bad. It's really well done and utterly watchable. But it leaves little impression, as the dramatic stakes are actually quite low.
It will be an embarrassment if this film runs the awards circuit. But the movie industry loves to be self-congratulatory, so I am prepared to watch it happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||November 20, 2022 10:37 AM|
Well made but completely inessential. It gave me A Christmas Story vibes through a lot of it. Very syrupy and that “teens in the 50’s we’re wiiiiild!!” shit
|by Anonymous||reply 13||November 20, 2022 10:40 AM|
I want to see it just to see David Lynch play John Ford. That meeting, at least as Spielberg tells it, is hilarious and powerful and Lynch is PERFECT casting.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||November 20, 2022 10:50 AM|
The actor portraying young Spielberg in this is also in the American Gigolo series and plays the younger version of the lead character played by Jon Bernthal. In what world does someone grow up to look like both Spielberg and Berbthal, casting is way off in one of these projects.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||November 20, 2022 12:09 PM|
I didn’t realize Spielberg wasn’t his birth name, or did his mother remarry someone named Fableman?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||November 20, 2022 12:10 PM|
If any film director of the past half century deserves to self-mythologise his own life, Spielberg has fully earned that right.
But I'm really concerned about the disappearance of Paul Dano's jawline.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||November 20, 2022 12:19 PM|
What a sad year for movies if this ends up winning Best Picture. I know he has the directing AA in the bag, but please something else for BP. Although, what instead? Babylon, as restitution for 2017?
|by Anonymous||reply 18||November 20, 2022 1:19 PM|
Didn’t Barry Levinson already make this movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||November 20, 2022 1:45 PM|
Hollywood owes Mr. Spielberg an apology for the failure of his West Side Story and is therefore doing everything it can to make this new Spielberg joint a smash hit.
Hollywood NEEDS Mr. Spielberg to remain on his pedestal and YOU WILL help them keep him there by buying tickets to this movie and raving about it to your friends.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||November 20, 2022 2:13 PM|
West Side Story is a pretty great film, not an Oscar contender but a lot of fun. But the film that won last shows the film industry loves treacle. CODA was a nice film but didn’t deserve the Oscar at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||November 20, 2022 2:18 PM|
I liked the trailer up until Seth Rogan popped up. Now I'm just wondering if he's any good in this.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||November 20, 2022 2:18 PM|
Levinson does a much better job with this kind of material. The problem with Spielberg is that if you know his bio (unhappy kid growing-up in dull, soulless suburbia, etc.) you notice that most of his movies are about him. Someone like Levinson draws from life but goes a little deeper and has a bit more wit.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||November 20, 2022 2:27 PM|
The suburbs were as bad as Schindler's List?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||November 20, 2022 2:28 PM|
No, but Krakow was. Schindler's List is one the few where he departs from schtick and and you know he was tempted to make it saccharine in some way.
There's always some concrete dolt like R24.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||November 20, 2022 2:31 PM|
R25, bite me.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||November 20, 2022 2:33 PM|
As others have pointed out, this seems more like Hollywood auto-fellatio than anything else.
The stakes aren't that high: middle class Jewish kid in 50s/60s primarily Gentile suburbia is really into movies, convinces self/father that it's a real passion not just a random hobby
Will mostly appeal to Hollywood execs who majored in political science at Brown and then took development jobs at a studio but secretly harbored artistic ambitions and think "If only I'd asked for a movie camera for my bar mitzvah instead of a Game Boy."
|by Anonymous||reply 27||November 20, 2022 2:45 PM|
I had completely forgotten about Coda, I admit this winning BP would be marginally better than that. Shame there's no exotic foreign gem to grab their attention this year, I love it when that happens and the Hollywood barons go home all butthurt.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||November 20, 2022 2:54 PM|
I liked CODA. It won because it is a good film about a unique family situation to do with disability with a deaf cast. I don't mind that it was honored. It was ground-breaking in that sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||November 20, 2022 2:58 PM|
R29, it was a lovely film, and I enjoyed it, but it wasn’t itself groundbreaking or different. That story has been told numerous times, among them Flashdance. Again, I really liked the film, but best picture? Nope.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||November 20, 2022 3:01 PM|
If The FableMan’s is as good as Avalon, I’ll see it five times, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||November 20, 2022 3:06 PM|
Does Seth Rogan play one of Spielberg.is uncles?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||November 20, 2022 3:40 PM|
How does it end?
|by Anonymous||reply 33||November 20, 2022 4:05 PM|
I assume he becomes a filmmaker.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||November 20, 2022 4:07 PM|
Very, very tacky.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||November 20, 2022 4:09 PM|
No one is going to watch this messy garbage.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||November 20, 2022 4:14 PM|
More like Ordeal-berg.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||November 20, 2022 4:16 PM|
ugh...more sappy crap from Spielberg, the king of sappy crap.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||November 20, 2022 4:20 PM|
Actually thought this was a strong film, and while definitely sentimental, also full of some pretty tough moments. In particular, I think it's the best thing Kushner has written in a decade or so. The trailer makes it look way worse than it actually is.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||November 20, 2022 4:24 PM|
I hate the Academy falling all over films about films. Cinema Paradiso is one of the most trite sentimental film I’ve ever watched.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||November 20, 2022 4:46 PM|
Saw it yesterday. It is way too long. The dialogue for the kids - especially the scene in the hallway during prom - is too adult for 18 year olds. The acting is good and Michelle Williams does develop an interesting character, but there is nothing to grab onto with Paul Dano's character.
I think both of the kids that play young Sam are exceptional.
I would slightly recommend it to my friends but I fear that would hate me for having to sit in a theater that long.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||November 20, 2022 4:56 PM|
R20, Hollywood did not keep audiences away.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||November 20, 2022 4:59 PM|
Look at me!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!!
LEARN ABOUT ME!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 43||November 20, 2022 5:10 PM|
"Empire of the Sun" was a great movie.
Especially the scenes where the Europeans are fleeing as the Japanese take over Shanghai
|by Anonymous||reply 44||November 20, 2022 5:14 PM|
How long is this dreck?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||November 20, 2022 5:19 PM|
Not very Christmassy.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||November 20, 2022 5:20 PM|
r45 I went to a 4 PM showing and when we got outside it was after 7 PM HOWEVER there were easily 20 minutes of previews. They just wouldn't end.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||November 20, 2022 5:24 PM|
At last, Jeannie Berlin has totally morphed into her mother, Elaine May.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||November 20, 2022 5:24 PM|
R48, Is that a good thing?
|by Anonymous||reply 49||November 20, 2022 5:29 PM|
Pro-movie-making movies (aka, self-referential) tend to please the Academy.
Interesting that "The Greatest Show On Earth" is a crucial image in both "The Fabelmans" and "Elvis" (the latter includes allusions also to "Strangers On a Train," "Vertigo," "Citizen Kane," and Luhrmann's own ouevre).
|by Anonymous||reply 50||November 20, 2022 5:30 PM|
[quote]All those WASPS cast as his parents.
If we're being honest, it seems Hollywood Jewry has always had an obsession with the WASP/British aesthetic. I'm sure even a lot of Jewish people would admit it and not just scream "antisemitism" for stating the obvious.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||November 20, 2022 5:31 PM|
Out-of-touch schlock. Who was asking for this in 2022?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||November 20, 2022 5:35 PM|
R46 They’re Jewish, why would it be?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||November 20, 2022 5:36 PM|
Some old queen in Texas used to do tedious interviews (TV or direct you tube, I forget which---they were on you tube). He'd worked in Hollywood as a bit player, I think. Anyway, he said Winters was not a nice person.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||November 20, 2022 6:42 PM|
Wrong thread, but I also find Spielberg tedious.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||November 20, 2022 6:45 PM|
No more Michelle Williams. I've had sufficient.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||November 20, 2022 7:29 PM|
I could never get into coming of age films. They always bore me even when they're well received.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||November 20, 2022 10:34 PM|
How big is Michelle Williams' role? is she a lead or supporting in your opinion?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||November 21, 2022 6:46 AM|
Michelle Williams is definitely Lead.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||November 21, 2022 4:46 PM|
Next he’ll make a movie about how smart and pretty each and every Oscar voter is.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||November 21, 2022 4:50 PM|
Michelle Williams, the poor dear, has a face like a truck driver.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||November 21, 2022 5:23 PM|
No one will be surprised to know that Sam Mendes’ love letter to cinema Empire Of Light is reportedly a dud. It stars Olivia Colman as a schizophrenic cinema manager who doesn’t watch movies who has an affair with a handsome young black man 25-30 years her junior (!).
|by Anonymous||reply 62||November 23, 2022 3:27 PM|
I'll definitely watch it when it's available for streaming, but the material looks familiar. It's a Bildungsroman filtered through Spielberg and Kushner in which everything looks pretty.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||November 23, 2022 3:42 PM|
R46 and R53
Yeah, that's why theirs is the only house without Christmas lights in that WASP ghetto they live in. The Spielbergs were not only Jewish, they were fairly observant Jews who kept kosher. I think they cheated when the father was away on trips. I seem to remember a story about the mother making a lobster.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||November 23, 2022 3:45 PM|
I remember the TV series "Holocaust." All the main characters looked like good-looking Aryans. Of course, there are blond, blue-eyed Jews, but they made the characters so assimilated that it was hard to understand why their Aryan neighbors would turn on them. Compare Berlin Alexanderplatz by Fassbinder. It starts before the Nazis come to power but in an early scene, the protagonist, who's just been released from prison, encounters a family of religious Jews. They live in a seedier part of Berlin and they're kind to him. But they're also presented as foreign, "oriental." It provides a better idea of why many Germans could so easily treat these people as Other.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||November 23, 2022 3:52 PM|
Oh, the humanity, r64.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||November 23, 2022 3:52 PM|
I can't get over OP's preview image -- Dano looking like a gormless thumb and Williams looking like an idiot who did her own fringe, with category fraud written all over her thirsty face. Why is Spielberg so blah when it comes to casting?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||November 23, 2022 3:53 PM|
Is t it obvious, r67?
Because he believes his own bullshit..
|by Anonymous||reply 68||November 23, 2022 3:54 PM|
Spielberg is uninteresting. The boomer years have been mined endlessly and his cloying takes on the subject are bound to be sentimental and tedious.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||November 23, 2022 4:46 PM|
Michelle Williams is now announcing her plans to study Judaism and raise her kids jewish. To paraphrase a DL expression, she needs that Oscar deeply!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||November 23, 2022 9:12 PM|
Can we just give Michelle the Oscar immediately? She clearly wants it so badly.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||November 23, 2022 9:24 PM|
I was excited about this until I saw the previews. It seems so formulaic.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||November 23, 2022 9:28 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 73||November 23, 2022 9:30 PM|
R69 I agree that the boomer years are overdone at this point. I understand that it was a fascinating time culturally but I almost feel that there is nothing more to say about that era. At least not in terms of suburban or urban upper middle class upbringings. Maybe if they must continue to fixate on that specific time, a film that explores the lives of the rural Americans or poor/ working class might be interesting. But I think it's time to move on.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||November 23, 2022 9:32 PM|
R16 I think he's just using fabelman as the characters names, they are stand ins for the Spielberg's. He couldn't call it the Spielberg's without being accused of a having a giant ego.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||November 23, 2022 9:33 PM|
If Williams wanted the Oscar so badly, she should/would have entered in Supporting Actress, where it was widely expected she'd walk away with it. Best Actress is much more competitive and her winning is much less certain.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 23, 2022 9:38 PM|
You really can't get away with this kind of movie anymore. It's clearly Oscar bait (a poorly coifed Michelle Williams is here to collect her nominations... again ) and coming from Spielberg, it's just too self-indulgent and obvious.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||November 23, 2022 10:09 PM|
Like most Spielberg movies "The Fabelmans" is beautifully shot and very engaging. Also like many Spielberg movies it veers toward maudlin, over-burnished and self-fascinated.
Finally in Act III, the story shakes itself free of some of its shackles and we get a fun and thoughtful "coming-of-age in mid 1960s California" story which is very engaging, and not as twinkling.
The cast is excellent, I think Michelle Williams deserves the praise she's been given, while poor Paul Dano's character doesn't make a lot of sense, but real life people are under no obligation to be as rational as movie characters, so he does a fine job regardless. The young man playing the Spielberg character is also wonderful and easy to enjoy. It is a story for white audiences for sure. While a bit too on-the-nose, especially with that title, it is enthusiastically told and looks splendid due to Janusz Kamiński's excellent camera work.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||November 23, 2022 10:22 PM|
[quote]All those WASPS cast as his parents.
Ha! Yeah, they have to haul in old Jeannie Berlin as grandmother Hadassah to Jew it up a little, and boy does she ever!
Total props to casting Jeannie Berlin in anything, I love her.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||November 23, 2022 10:27 PM|
He makes such shlock. I actually like much of West Side Story—but he just couldn’t help making the ending mawkish garbage. And that girl in the red dress in Schindler’s List… my God!
Jaws was good. And ET.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||November 23, 2022 10:44 PM|
I have had sufficient.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||November 23, 2022 11:06 PM|
[quote]Total props to casting Jeannie Berlin in anything, I love her.
"Look Lenny, there's us in thirty years."
|by Anonymous||reply 82||November 23, 2022 11:49 PM|
A very special episode of The Wonder Years.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||November 24, 2022 12:02 AM|
I’m not interested in another 50s/60s coming of age story. But if I were a filmmaker it would probably speak to me. Spielberg has made a lot of money for Hollywood, why not let him have his passion project.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||November 24, 2022 12:20 AM|
My synagogue disapproves of such obsessive, expensive and absolutely unnecessary navel gazing.
People in Israel are starving!
|by Anonymous||reply 85||November 24, 2022 12:27 AM|
Rex Reed’s lukewarm review . . .
|by Anonymous||reply 86||November 24, 2022 12:28 AM|
David Lynch has a cameo, which is the only reason I’ll see it.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||November 24, 2022 1:15 AM|
He still gave it three out of four stars.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||November 24, 2022 3:22 PM|
Didn’t realize Rex was still with us!
|by Anonymous||reply 89||November 24, 2022 5:40 PM|
Such a vanity project - exactly who is supposed to care about this? Some kind of overshared psychological exercise. Pshaw -
|by Anonymous||reply 90||November 25, 2022 3:33 AM|
Steven Spielberg's mother actually had that kind of odd looking hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||November 25, 2022 5:38 AM|
But did she have that odd sounding Hollywood Inspirational phrasing that is grounds for running away from home at the earliest possible opportunity?
|by Anonymous||reply 92||November 25, 2022 6:29 AM|
'If you want to make an ego-massaging movie about yourself that runs for two-and-a-half hours, you better have a damned good story to tell. But 'The Fabelmans' is only intermittently interesting.'
|by Anonymous||reply 93||November 25, 2022 6:59 AM|
Has Barbara Thorndyke weighed in?
|by Anonymous||reply 94||November 25, 2022 1:49 PM|
How did it do at the box office?
|by Anonymous||reply 95||November 28, 2022 5:01 AM|
World of Reel uses the word "bomb":
[quote] Steven Spielberg’s “The Fabelmans” has bombed at the box-office. This coming after the filmmaker’s “West Side Story” garnered the same fate last year, which begs me to ask the question: if Spielberg can’t even bring people to a movie theatre anymore, then who can? I imagine Martin Scorsese, Wes Anderson, Christopher Nolan and Quentin Tarantino can still pull it off, but these four directors are now part of a dying breed.
[quote] What the post-pandemic theatrical era has done to adult dramas is absolutely brutal. There are so many factors that have contributed to the demise of critically-acclaimed films at the box office, one of which is older moviegoers learning how to stream and purchase films via the comfort of their own homes.
[quote] I'm still struck by how fast this change has happened. Movie theaters are turning primarily into, as Scorsese pointed out a few years back, theme park rides. What we’ve learned this year is that the younger crowd will still purchase a ticket for the token Marvel, Pixar, sequel packages, but that’s about it. You’ll have the odd “Elvis” phenomenon, but one look at this year’s 10 highest-grossing movies and they are all superhero movies and/or blockbuster sequels.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||November 29, 2022 3:04 AM|
The Fabelmans like Glass Onion is in limited release. It's playing in 638 theaters as compared to Strange World (4,174), Bones and All (2,727) and She, Said (2,023) and its per theater average $1,378 was higher than those films @ $1,190/$305/$213. Glass Onion in 696 theaters had the highest per screen average of $5,172 for Friday
|by Anonymous||reply 97||November 29, 2022 3:48 AM|
The Fabelmans has a production cost of $40 million dollars. So at least double that cost to account for marketing and other expenses including payments to exhibiters showing the film.
In 17 days of limited release (638 theaters) it has grossed $3.4 million dollars with no international box office (yet)
In 12 days of limited release (696 theaters) Glass Onion has grossed $13.2 million dollars domestically.
The Fabelmans appears to be scheduled to be released internationally during December and January. Will it also have an expanded US release up from the 636 theaters in December? Not sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||November 29, 2022 4:41 AM|