I bet she is gonna retire.
Pelosi will ‘address her future plans’ Thursday
by Anonymous | reply 175 | November 23, 2022 9:07 PM |
I think Trump did her in. When she make that comment about Trump and said she would “punch him out", I bet he ordered a hit on her husband. It is all too much for her and she is bailing out.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | November 17, 2022 12:17 PM |
Good her and the rest of the 75+ year olds in congress need to hang it up.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | November 17, 2022 12:20 PM |
It's time. She has had a great legacy, but you have to let the next generation of leaders step up. She can go out in top now.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | November 17, 2022 12:21 PM |
It’s time.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | November 17, 2022 12:22 PM |
It will be a loss for Democrats. She has been formidable and effective.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | November 17, 2022 12:25 PM |
Will a Democrat replace her, or are the Repugs gonna slide another MAGA in her place?
by Anonymous | reply 6 | November 17, 2022 12:27 PM |
It should be Feinstein retiring.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | November 17, 2022 12:28 PM |
I agree
by Anonymous | reply 8 | November 17, 2022 12:29 PM |
Nancy Pelosi's district is San Francisco r6. Once she leaves there is not a snowball's chance in hell a Republican can when that seat
by Anonymous | reply 9 | November 17, 2022 12:31 PM |
Win that seat*
by Anonymous | reply 10 | November 17, 2022 12:31 PM |
With Hakeem Jeffries her almost certain successor, New York is taking over. Will be a NYer leading Dems in the Senate and a NYer leading Dems in the House
by Anonymous | reply 11 | November 17, 2022 12:33 PM |
Why is Jeffries the inevitable successor?
by Anonymous | reply 12 | November 17, 2022 12:47 PM |
As much as I like Nancy what has happened to her and her husband is more than most people half her age can handle. Enough is enough
by Anonymous | reply 13 | November 17, 2022 12:47 PM |
[quote]I bet she is gonna retire.
I'll drink to that.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | November 17, 2022 12:59 PM |
[comment] I think Trump did her in. When she make that comment about Trump and said she would “punch him out", I bet he ordered a hit on her husband. It is all too much for her and she is bailing out.
Pelosi's attacker was a crazy Canadian. How could Trump have set that up?
by Anonymous | reply 15 | November 17, 2022 1:08 PM |
^ On Jan 6th the mob was going to kill Nancy, Trump set that up
by Anonymous | reply 16 | November 17, 2022 1:11 PM |
She deserves to retire but I could see the incident with her husband causing her out of bravery to want to continue so it doesn't appear she's retiring out of fear of the MAGAs. Just my theory, I'm a fan and don't want to think of her as misguided in this situation.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | November 17, 2022 1:15 PM |
^ Or maybe it was one thing when they were going after just her, but now they're going after her family. Not worth it
by Anonymous | reply 18 | November 17, 2022 1:19 PM |
Hakeem Jeffries is a saavy political operator who has been building relationships within the Dem caucus to be Pelosi's successor for years now r12. Schiff tried to challenge him recently and quickly realized he didn't stand a chance. I'll link a nice article about it if you are curious.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | November 17, 2022 1:19 PM |
[quote] I think Trump did her in. When she make that comment about Trump and said she would “punch him out", I bet he ordered a hit on her husband. It is all too much for her and she is bailing out. ~~ Pelosi's attacker was a crazy Canadian. How could Trump have set that up?
Trump, the Godfather, has long fingers which reach across the border.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | November 17, 2022 1:23 PM |
She’s effective and loves the power…she’ll stay, but will lease the final decision to the caucus.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | November 17, 2022 1:23 PM |
I adore her and will support whatever decision she chooses to make today.
I hope --no matter what she does next-- the people who set that QTard on her and who attacked her man, are made to pay and pay DEARLY. Those cunts are unAmerican, revolting, and deserve the harshest of punishments.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | November 17, 2022 1:25 PM |
I would love to see Hakeem in a more prominent position so, as much as I love Nancy, I think he should now succeed her. Dems need to begin getting some young names out there for 2028.
So, yeah, I think Joe should run again in 2024 if he's healthy and willing....he deserves it.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | November 17, 2022 1:30 PM |
Will the Dems ever run two men for Pres and VP again or will there always be a woman on the ticket now?
by Anonymous | reply 24 | November 17, 2022 1:31 PM |
I don't blame her. Her husband's attack put the seal on retiring. Whatever she decides, I wish her the best....she did great, with dealing with trump and the GQPers. She deserves an easier time now. If she stays, though....great.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | November 17, 2022 1:35 PM |
Nobody does it better Makes me feel sad for the rest Nobody does it half as good as you Baby, you're the best
by Anonymous | reply 26 | November 17, 2022 1:38 PM |
According to this account (don't know if it is reliable, but seems true), she is staying in the House but won't seek leadership
[Quote]On the House floor at noon, Pelosi will say in a speech crafted in part by Jon Meacham that she intends to pass the torch to the next generation of leadership but will stay on as a backbencher to help guide future leader Hakeem Jeffries
by Anonymous | reply 27 | November 17, 2022 2:35 PM |
She's considered one of the most effective Speakers in history, and the first woman to achieve the status. No more mountains to climb for her. The option defined by r27 seems a good one, but I'll cheer if she opts for a comfy retirement.
PS Hate the thought that Kevin McCarthy may be second in line to the Presidency. *Shudder*
by Anonymous | reply 28 | November 17, 2022 2:40 PM |
McCarthy won’t last long as Speaker. The infighting and disarray will be overwhelming. Fortunately this didn’t happen when Trump was president.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | November 17, 2022 2:47 PM |
Yet who might replace McCarthy and how would we feel about them being so close to the White House?
by Anonymous | reply 30 | November 17, 2022 2:55 PM |
[Quote]Good her and the rest of the 75+ year olds
Oh, dear, you quasiliterate moron.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | November 17, 2022 2:57 PM |
Second in line to the Presidency is overstated R28. (Not that you’re the only to say this, it’s a common enough statement). But for the Speaker to ever become President, the President and VP would both have to be removed from power at the exact same time. Outside of impeachment and conviction of both at the same time, it’s an unlikely event. The Speaker’s place in the line of succession speaks more to the power of the position. Power that Nancy reminded Trump of quite often.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | November 17, 2022 3:03 PM |
Best Speaker of the House ever. Understands Power& knows how to use it to the American peoples benefit!! Formidable woman
by Anonymous | reply 33 | November 17, 2022 3:07 PM |
[Quote]Trump, the Godfather, has long fingers which reach across the border.
Trump's short stubby fingers didn't have to reach far. Pelosi's assailant was an illegal alien from Canada who resided in the sanctuary city of SF for a decade
by Anonymous | reply 34 | November 17, 2022 3:12 PM |
Yes R34, that’s why Paul Pelosi has a cracked skull, because SF is a sanctuary city.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | November 17, 2022 3:14 PM |
I bet she steps down in the leadership role but stays until her next election... then steps aside for her daughter to run. Although can a governor replace a House member like a Senate seat? It's up to the district if they want to go all Kennedy on the seat in the election.
She should be given a great ambassador role after that if she wants it... one of the fun ones to enjoy herself. It is time for her to go, though. If the Dems were smart there would be a general agreement all the elderly go so by 24 the party is filled with younger people (and by younger I mean 50s and 60s too), compared to the stale freakfest of the Republicans who will all be same old same old. It would also create even more pressure to dump Trump.
CNN says two daughters are present today. Doesn't sound like a status quo announcement.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | November 17, 2022 3:20 PM |
Yes, it is a factor as sanctuary cities are seeing an increase in assaults committed illegals and the homeless.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | November 17, 2022 3:22 PM |
committed by ^
by Anonymous | reply 38 | November 17, 2022 3:43 PM |
I would like Nancy to still be in Congress...in a quieter, background position, as an advisor. I can see her doing that. We'll soon find out.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | November 17, 2022 3:46 PM |
Not much has been said about her husband's condition and I suspect his injuries are probably worse than what's been reported, and that his recovery will be long. Certainly, that will weigh heavily in Pelosi's decision.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | November 17, 2022 3:50 PM |
Good lord , she’s a fuck’n 82 year old multi millionaire, take a break and enjoy the time you have left.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | November 17, 2022 3:51 PM |
She may stay on to help guide the newbies which would be typical Nancy - service to others and to country.
But her husband is in bad shape. I'd loathe to see her taken out by a MAGAT attack but she may feel it's time to be with family.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | November 17, 2022 3:54 PM |
her husband may need her more than the country does
by Anonymous | reply 43 | November 17, 2022 3:58 PM |
She just got reelected to her district, she's obviously not leaving the House. It's just whether she wants to be Speaker.
I heard the other day that Dianne Feinstein is considering retiring from her seat during the lame duck session, in which case Gavin Newsom would appoint Adam Schiff to replace her, as consolation for Hakeem Jeffries getting the fast track to be Speaker.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | November 17, 2022 4:03 PM |
Feinstein should definitely retire.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | November 17, 2022 4:06 PM |
I doubt Newsom would appoint Schiff r44 honestly. He is on the record saying he would appoint a black woman so it would look bad. Also he is a NorCal person, he isn't going to want two Senators from SoCal.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | November 17, 2022 4:08 PM |
R44..Thanks. I didn't realize she was just reelected.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | November 17, 2022 4:09 PM |
The entire House is always up for relection every two years, they all just got reelected r47.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | November 17, 2022 4:11 PM |
[quote] Why is Jeffries the inevitable successor?
Because she has guided him as her protege. People forget how complex the job actually is. Aside from a myriad of Byzantine and largely archaic Congressional rules, there's strategy and nuance involved.
And you must know how to count (MTG doesn't have enough toes to do that properly).
It is a massive loss to see her go but I commend her for doing what so many others (like RGB) don't have the integrity (yes, I said it) to do. Naming a successor while you're still around to mentor them is underrated.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | November 17, 2022 4:12 PM |
She needs to not take minority leadership and serve her team. Resigning completely would not be a good thing for her, the party or the country, unless her health is bad. Because it would be too soon after the assassination attempt, and would signal success for fascists, lunatics and others who want to disrupt government through violence.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | November 17, 2022 4:14 PM |
R49 Agree 100%
by Anonymous | reply 51 | November 17, 2022 4:15 PM |
Pelosi on CNN right now.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | November 17, 2022 4:22 PM |
Republicans are such trash.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | November 17, 2022 4:25 PM |
Rep. Hakeem Jefferies calling out those treasonous Thomases:
by Anonymous | reply 54 | November 17, 2022 4:29 PM |
It's official. Pelosi says she will not seek leadership.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | November 17, 2022 4:30 PM |
Manu Raju
[quote] McCarthy not in the House chamber during Pelosi speech, per @DaniellaMicaela
by Anonymous | reply 56 | November 17, 2022 4:31 PM |
Pelosi IS staying on in the House. Looks like the tweet from upthread had the correct scoop.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | November 17, 2022 4:33 PM |
Pelosi gets in another diss at Trump.
I've enjoyed working with three Presidents...when there have been four.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | November 17, 2022 4:34 PM |
R56, why would he be? Why would a party who were shown that their behavior and actions disgusts millions of Americans and paid in the voting booth, show even in a modicum of decency or decorum?
I have had countless issues with Pelosi and the Democratic Party, but fuck every last one of you so stupid as to pull the "both sides" crap. The Democrats understand norms and respect for their offices even if we disagree with polices. The Republican party is comprised of anti-American, anti-democratic, disrespectful filth.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | November 17, 2022 4:35 PM |
My respect, Nancy Pelosi.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | November 17, 2022 4:36 PM |
A good shot at trump. She's not going away, just won't be Minority Leader.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | November 17, 2022 4:36 PM |
Excellent. What a babe!
by Anonymous | reply 63 | November 17, 2022 4:37 PM |
There are tears on the floor.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | November 17, 2022 4:38 PM |
Bye girl bye! She's been nothing but a road block to progress.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | November 17, 2022 4:38 PM |
Pelosi was one of the most progressive Dems in leadership, Jeffries is to the right of her r65.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | November 17, 2022 4:39 PM |
(^.^) AOC
by Anonymous | reply 67 | November 17, 2022 4:39 PM |
The GOP taking the house may have been one of the reasons
by Anonymous | reply 68 | November 17, 2022 4:42 PM |
[quote]With Hakeem Jeffries her almost certain successor, New York is taking over. Will be a NYer leading Dems in the Senate and a NYer leading Dems in the House
At least they're from a state that pays a shitload in taxes....unlike that shithole KY.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | November 17, 2022 4:44 PM |
She's been a terrific leader for the Democratic Party. She will be missed, but I do think it's time for a younger leader, someone younger than 60. We'll see who they choose. Whoever it is, I hope he/she can stand up to McCarthy!
by Anonymous | reply 70 | November 17, 2022 4:45 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 71 | November 17, 2022 4:49 PM |
[quote]Whoever it is, I hope he/she can stand up to McCarthy!
I cannot imagine that will be difficult.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | November 17, 2022 4:51 PM |
A great leader.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | November 17, 2022 4:55 PM |
She didn't die! She's going to be serving out her new term. She has two years to advise and counsel and to strategize and train the next Democratic Leader. As she said to Dana Bash in a very recent interview: " I may not be Speaker, but I will always have influence. " She can step back from Minority Leader, but she will definitely be around.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | November 17, 2022 4:58 PM |
[quote] Will the Dems ever run two men for Pres and VP again or will there always be a woman on the ticket now?
I’ll put good money on 2004 being the last time that every major party candidate was a white man, at least.
As for Nancy, if you want to know what kind of a badass she is, read about how she told Hank Paulson to go fuck himself if he didn’t want actually negotiate during the 2008 crisis.
And if you want to know what kind of a person she is, remember that her first ever speech on the House floor was about increasing funding for AIDS research.
There will never be another one like her.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | November 17, 2022 4:58 PM |
I don't remember Bush doing that, R71.. That was a very classy gesture.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | November 17, 2022 4:59 PM |
Kevin McCarthy will be "weaker" than Paul Ryan was as Speaker. If the Rethugs elect McCarthy at all. It's going to be a bloodbath for Rethugs.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | November 17, 2022 5:00 PM |
Did you ever think you'd see the day when a Bush and a Cheney would look good in comparison to the trash we just had before Biden?
by Anonymous | reply 78 | November 17, 2022 5:02 PM |
Congrats Nancy - thanks for all of your hard work. And standing up to the orange turd. You rock and will never be forgotten.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | November 17, 2022 5:07 PM |
"A good shot at trump."
Why? He set into motion an insurrection to go into the Capitol and kidnap, torture and kill her. He hired a hit man to rough her husband up as a warning. .. He's just going to see her stepping down as another of his rapes.
He also was behind the plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer and dump her in Lake Erie. And he's responsible for Liz Cheney forfeiting her career.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | November 17, 2022 5:07 PM |
Getting back to Pelosi’s ability to count votes, the only reason why Paul Ryan was elected Speaker was because McCarthy thought he had the votes to become Speaker and had Boehner call a vote, with McCarthy’s wife and children in the room, only not get a majority. Ryan was then picked as the compromise candidate.
Unless he has learned how to count votes and have trusted whips round up those votes, it doesn’t bode well for his success in pushing through the GOP agenda.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | November 17, 2022 5:08 PM |
Dems In Array
[quote] Breaking: Leader Hoyer just announced he will NOT seek elected leadership in the 118th Congress. He, like Speaker Pelosi, will remain in Congress.
[quote] AND he adds: "I am proud to offer my strong endorsement to Hakeem Jeffries for Democratic Leader."
Compare this to the nonsense on the other side of the aisle
by Anonymous | reply 83 | November 17, 2022 5:10 PM |
"A good shot at trump."....Pelosi was right and as always, knew how to get under his orange skin. It was delicious. One of many reasons why I like her. I know what trump did.. no explanations.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | November 17, 2022 5:13 PM |
Borger on CNN was just talking Borger said when Denny Hastert was defeated or stepped down or WTF ever, Nancy gave him some kind of ceremonial role as a gesture of goodwill. Kevin is a total pig. Rotten fucker.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | November 17, 2022 5:15 PM |
First woman Speak of the House - ONLY woman Speaker.
She's done a lot for people and this country. She's been the focus and taken the brunt of bile for decades and retained a sense of decorum.
I may not have always agreed with her, but have to give credit where credit is due.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | November 17, 2022 5:16 PM |
Pelosi is the first, and only woman, to become Speaker. She was also one of the best, if not the best. She had some real challenges...especially with #45.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | November 17, 2022 5:20 PM |
Early on, Nancy made the brilliant observation that Trump's insults towards an opponent always precisely described his fear of that very weakness in himself.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | November 17, 2022 5:25 PM |
Just like Nancy made history, Hakeem is on track to make history as the first black Speaker of the House. Hopefully in 2024 when we take it back.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | November 17, 2022 5:28 PM |
[quote]Dems In Array
This smooth transition we are seeing is also Nancy's legacy and how she kept her caucus together. People are falling in line behind her choice of successor.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | November 17, 2022 5:31 PM |
[quote] Kick-ass statement from the President.
You know, that statement made me feel nervous. Who on earth can fill her shoes? She is one of a kind.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | November 17, 2022 5:32 PM |
The Squad doesn't like Hakeem. Curious to see if AOC will cause drama here or will they remain quiet for now.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | November 17, 2022 5:41 PM |
I wasn't aware of ^^^ so I just googled.
*Almost* all of the articles are from CNN, The Hill, Poltico & The Intercept...
by Anonymous | reply 94 | November 17, 2022 5:46 PM |
The squad will take any opportunity to
a) get attention
b) engage on Dem on Dem in public
by Anonymous | reply 96 | November 17, 2022 5:50 PM |
She is one of a kind, but it's time to pass the torch. She may not be front & center anymore, but that doesn't mean she can't crack skulls behind the scenes. Actually, the people who should be worried about this change is the repigs, because they've been fundraising off "evil San Francisco Nancy" for years now. No doubt they'll try to dump their bucket of pig's blood on Hakeem too, but in the short term, he won't be the polarizing figure Nancy is.
Whatever the case, you're a true patriot Nancy and history will remember your leadership at a perilous time for this country
by Anonymous | reply 97 | November 17, 2022 5:56 PM |
Let's make something perfectly: The MEDIA and idiots on SM created the narrative that the progressive caucus and Pelosi were at each other's throats. First of all, you expect disagreements and debate from within a party, because that's perfectly normal..and then you compromise. So when some of you assholes went after the squad for having their own beliefs when it comes to *policy* (I don't believe that's the reason. Most of the reasons for the hate came from the same, disgusting place as Trump and deplorables - bigotry/racism), you don't compare that to the terrorist neanderthals on the right who just want to burn the whole place down -- literally.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | November 17, 2022 5:59 PM |
Pelosi was a capable Speaker, for another time. Not for a time when Republicans are actively trying to dismantle democracy and institute de facto one-party rule. She was effective at nothing so much as letting Republicans escape accountability for their crimes and misdeeds. Pelosi is the one who took impeachment of Bush "off the table" and so let a war criminal go without paying any political price. Then she slow-walked both Trump impeachments. She dragged her feet after January 6 and gave Republicans a chance to regroup and resolidify behind Trump. And then she demanded a slimmed-down impeachment that covered only a few of the many charges that could have brought against him, reinforcing the Republican narrative that impeachment was a nothing-burger.
Yes, she is good at corralling votes for uninspiring centrist policies. But her political instincts are terrible, and she is in denial about what the Republican Party has become. There is a video of her saying, repeatedly, "we need a strong Republican Party" -- as though this fascist version of the GOP is just a fever dream and all will be well once the adults (i.e., her fellow gerontocrats) are back in charge. No, Nancy. Her pattern of insisting that we move on from Republican wrongdoing as quickly as possible so that we can get back to "kitchen table issues" has been disastrous. She is from a generation that is long past and doesn't fully understand the dangers we face.
Whoever replaces her, it ought to be a contest. The arrogance of some in her fan club to think that Hakeem Jeffries is entitled to it because she "groomed" him for the role. Sorry, girl-boss worshippers, she isn't a fucking monarch and she doesn't get to anoint her successor. Jeffries is a Wall Street empty suit who would be her sockpuppet and continue the "kitchen table" obsession while engaging in his favorite pastime, which is punching left. No thank you.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | November 17, 2022 6:00 PM |
Ooh, which member of the Squad is r99?
by Anonymous | reply 100 | November 17, 2022 6:03 PM |
Ooh, which YAS KWEEN is R100?
by Anonymous | reply 101 | November 17, 2022 6:06 PM |
You need to accept pragmatic leadership, it's the only way to get these done. While you obsess over ideological purity Pelosi was out there actually getting votes passed. Which is the job of the Speaker, knowing who to manage of caucus of hundreds of members and get them to accept compromises.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | November 17, 2022 6:07 PM |
It has nothing to do with pragmatism or "purity". These are words that apologists use to deflect from valid criticisms of Democratic inaction and timidity. It's loser thinking. You need to accept that some criticisms of the party and its leadership are valid, and we can and need to do better.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | November 17, 2022 6:12 PM |
Ah, blow it out your ass, r99.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | November 17, 2022 6:16 PM |
Sure there are valid criticisms to be made - but usually lefties have zero idea what the country is actually like.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | November 17, 2022 6:17 PM |
[quote]lefties
Bless your heart, r105.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | November 17, 2022 6:19 PM |
Related note: I'm reading a book about Ted Kennedy & it talks about Lyndon Johnson & his ability to work with/manipulate/bully people into getting shit done, all while letting them take the credit, think it was their idea or do what they had to do to look good to their constituents. Granted, that way is nearly gone, but Nancy is one of the old school who doesn't go running to the TV cameras on her twitter feed to try & influence others. She's by no means perfect, but it's kind of sad that no one seems to have any use for pragmatism and compromise
by Anonymous | reply 107 | November 17, 2022 6:19 PM |
[quote] But her political instincts are terrible, and she is in denial about what the Republican Party has become.
Sure, Jan.
[quote] Her pattern of insisting that we move on from Republican wrongdoing as quickly as possible
What planet are you living on, r99?
by Anonymous | reply 108 | November 17, 2022 6:23 PM |
Sorry to burst your bubble R104. While I'm blowing it out my ass, Republicans have already announced investigations into the Biden family. ONE DAY after they clinched the House majority by a razor slim majority. They know how to play politics in the worst way. Meanwhile, their criminal lowlife president incited an INSURRECTION and Nancy rejected an immediate effort by other Democrats to impeach him. Republicans were in disarray and she could have seized the moment. But instead she waited a week to even hold a vote and then delivered a *single* article of impeachment almost 3 weeks after Jan. 6. By then it was too late.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | November 17, 2022 6:24 PM |
Oh, I see, r109. If she hadn't waited a week, the Republicans would have voted to convict Trump? I see.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | November 17, 2022 6:27 PM |
Let go of the hero worship R108. It doesn't look any better on us than it does on them.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | November 17, 2022 6:28 PM |
[quote]Republicans have already announced investigations into the Biden family. ONE DAY after they clinched the House majority by a razor slim majority.
And this is a surprise to you...why, r109? What the hell does Nancy have to do with that?
by Anonymous | reply 112 | November 17, 2022 6:30 PM |
Nancy Pelosi *is* a hero, r111. Who else could have navigated us so strategically through the Trump years, r111, who?
by Anonymous | reply 113 | November 17, 2022 6:33 PM |
Where did I say it was a surprise, R112? I was making a comparison. By the way, that's the "strong Republican Party" that Pelosi thinks we need!
by Anonymous | reply 114 | November 17, 2022 6:33 PM |
[quote]By the way, that's the "strong Republican Party" that Pelosi thinks we need!
That's idiotic, r114.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | November 17, 2022 6:35 PM |
She's telling them to take back their party from the cult to make them a strong party, r116. Do you have a problem with that?
by Anonymous | reply 117 | November 17, 2022 6:38 PM |
[quote]Republicans have already announced investigations into the Biden family. ONE DAY after they clinched the House majority by a razor slim majority. They know how to play politics in the worst way.
They certainly do, r109, as those investigations will go nowhere and just cost time and money. *That's* how you want *our* side to play?
by Anonymous | reply 118 | November 17, 2022 6:45 PM |
R117, if you can't see how absolutely dunderheaded those statements are politically, and how they utterly misapprehend what the right wing has been engaged in for the last *thirty plus years*, then I can't help you. Yes, I do have a problem with the Democratic Speaker calling for a "strong Republican Party". I don't want "strong Republicans" led by Newt Gingrich or Paul Ryan any more than I want a strong GOP led by Donald Trump. Are any Republicans calling for a strong Democratic Party? What a fucking stupid rhetorical strategy that honestly shows how out of touch she is with the political climate on the ground.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | November 17, 2022 6:46 PM |
Pelosi may be the most influential Speaker of our lifetimes.
Her majority this time around (223 seats) is only a couple more than what McCarthy might get. With it, she shepherded infrastructure, covid relief, climate change, same sex marriage protections, Medicare drug pricing reform, among many other bills. .
Heck, back when Obama, lacking legislative margins, was on the verge of seriously watering down his own ACA to get Republicans on board, Nancy verbally slapped him with We’re going to pass [italic] Health Care,[/italic] not kiddie care ! And she did it.
Compare that with Kevin McCarthy who couldn’t even whip up the votes for his own election.
Pelosi is a wonder.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | November 17, 2022 7:05 PM |
I think R119 etc. is taking political rhetoric a little too seriously. She obviously knows extremely well what the Republican Party is like now, going back to Newt Gingrich and earlier, because she's had a front-row seat. She's talking about the value of an adversarial two-party system, and when she says things like "we need a strong Republican Party" it's no different from saying "we need free and open elections" or "we need checks and balances." She's talking in the abstract about basic American political principles. She's cynical about today's Republicans but she's not cynical about fundamental political principles.
The problem is that most Americans aren't as idealistic about politics as Democratic politicians tend to be. She was never good at PR.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | November 17, 2022 7:06 PM |
Thank you, r121.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | November 17, 2022 7:14 PM |
[quote] This smooth transition we are seeing is also Nancy's legacy and how she kept her caucus together. People are falling in line behind her choice of successor.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | November 17, 2022 7:51 PM |
R123 is just a taste of what is to come. Roy is a member of the extreme right faction of the GOP, led ostensibly by Majorie Greene, which numbers anywhere from a dozen to twenty depending on the issue.
They know they have McCarthy by the balls and they will have their pound of flesh, one way or the other. No real legislation will be feasible for the next two years, so expect hearing after investigation after hearing after investigation. Expect Jim Jordan to be a busy little bee in the next Congress.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | November 17, 2022 8:15 PM |
Hogwash, R121. For someone in high office, there is no such thing as taking their political rhetoric "too seriously". Didn't we learn that with Trump? Rhetoric matters a lot. It frames issues for voters and the media. The fact that many Democrats still don't understand this is maddening.
Saying repeatedly that "we need a strong Republican Party" and admonishing Republicans to "take their party back" propagates the notion that the Republican Party before Trump was just fine and if we could only go back to the days of George W. Bush (!), Newt Gingrich, etc., all would be well. It reinforces the frame of a GOP that has lost its way, instead of one that has been embracing theocracy and minority rule for decades. It's shitty framing and bad politics, and it's demoralizing to Democrats who are working tirelessly to *defeat Republicans*.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | November 17, 2022 8:32 PM |
It isn't shitty framing, r125. Do you want her to proclaim, "Burn the Republican Party down!"?
by Anonymous | reply 126 | November 17, 2022 8:35 PM |
^^ nonsense. She said neither said or implied any such thing.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | November 17, 2022 8:37 PM |
Yes it is, R126. I'm sorry that your girl-boss hero worship won't let you see that. How about just not saying it 5 times, or at all? How about saying that the Republican Party has turned on democracy and all the leaders of the party are complicit?
by Anonymous | reply 129 | November 17, 2022 8:40 PM |
What a classy speech she gave today. I expected nothing less, and she didn't disappoint. I love her dig at Trump when she mentioned the pleasure she had working for 3 presidents. It was almost as iconic as her ripping up his SOTU speech a few years ago.
I suspect Pelosi will remain in congress and take a quiet step back, while helping her successor. I also expect she will be working on an autobiography - which will be ready for release in 2025, when she leaves congress.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | November 17, 2022 8:51 PM |
[quote] led ostensibly by Majorie Greene,
My gawd! It's hard to believe this woman could successfully run a PTA bake sale
by Anonymous | reply 131 | November 17, 2022 8:52 PM |
R129. I'm not the homo to whom you think you're replying. You do seem to get things wrong.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | November 17, 2022 8:55 PM |
Well, it's hard to hear way up there on her high horse, R132.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | November 17, 2022 9:02 PM |
She'll be the shadow Speaker. They just have to find her a puppet.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | November 17, 2022 9:07 PM |
McCarthy, if he ends up as Speaker, will attempt to lead his caucus as if they'd won some mandate election, and it will all crumble around him. The current GOP cannot lead, they can only seek to destroy and gum up the works, and their members have precious little experience accomplishing anything at all.
The good news is that they will be an uncoordinated mess and at each other's throats for two years.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | November 17, 2022 9:12 PM |
R133, are you not also the person who wrote this?
[quote]It isn't shitty framing, [R125]. Do you want her to proclaim, "Burn the Republican Party down!"?
If you are, then you are exactly the homo to whom I was replying. Take your time and put the pieces together.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | November 17, 2022 9:28 PM |
^^ Sorry, I meant R132, not R133.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | November 17, 2022 9:28 PM |
Ranking member on the committees Jordan and MTG (oh, gawd) Chair...
by Anonymous | reply 138 | November 17, 2022 9:37 PM |
R137, I think you just convicted yourself on the stand.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | November 17, 2022 9:41 PM |
The Perry Mason moment, r139.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | November 17, 2022 9:43 PM |
[quote]Almost no one in the United States has had more opportunities to stop the rise of the Republicans than Pelosi. Considering that Republican strength, her tenure cannot be viewed as successful.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | November 17, 2022 9:45 PM |
Opinions are like assholes, r141...
by Anonymous | reply 142 | November 17, 2022 9:47 PM |
Sick burn, R142
by Anonymous | reply 143 | November 17, 2022 9:48 PM |
And the one @ 141 is is like Bernie Sanders, R142
by Anonymous | reply 144 | November 17, 2022 9:50 PM |
Why is there not a retirement age for these geezers?
by Anonymous | reply 145 | November 17, 2022 9:54 PM |
Nancy's beautiful speech was apparently written with the guiding hand of hot daddy professor and MSNBC contributor Jon Meacham. Nancy has good taste.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | November 17, 2022 10:13 PM |
Adam Schiff was clearly seen on the Hose floor as one of the very first Congressmen in line this afternoon to thank and hug Nancy after her speech. So there are apparently no hard feelings there.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | November 17, 2022 10:15 PM |
[quote]Adam Schiff was clearly seen on the Hose floor
Picking up some knee-highs?
by Anonymous | reply 148 | November 17, 2022 10:19 PM |
R93, this article implies the same as what R98 summarized.
It also presents him as someone who progressives have repeatedly thought they could outmaneuver and failed to do so because he's such a diplomatic and congenial fellow
[quote] The activists who have asserted themselves as the arbiters of progressivism, including groups like the Justice Democrats, don’t tend to like Jeffries, and he doesn’t like them. The policy differences between them are hard to see. The bad feelings, though, can be traced to 2018, when he beat the left flank’s choice, Representative Barbara Lee of California, for his leadership spot. His victory prompted a retaliatory threat, sourced to people close to fellow New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, that he would be a “highest priority” target in a 2020 primary. (No challenge ever materialized; Jeffries demurred when I asked about Ocasio-Cortez, and her spokesperson declined to comment—though only after asking what Jeffries had said about the representative.) The AOC wing’s main complaint with Jeffries is that although he talks often about climate change, he doesn’t endorse the Green New Deal. He doesn’t like feeling bullied into signing on. He believes that activists are too caught up in thinking about changing society around environmental goals, rather than the systemic racism that he wants to focus on.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | November 17, 2022 10:21 PM |
Jeffries should see what happened to Sean Patrick Maloney and Bill de Blasio this year and Elliot Engel, Joe Crowley and most notoriously Andrew Cuomo in previous years. An antagonistic asshole in New York politics always gets taken down. It's why Schumer did his best to make peace with the left of the party. Jeffries has faced a formidable challenge from dynastic council member Charles Barron before. If the DSA were to more aggressively back him in 2024, Barron would win and Jeffries would lose. Something Jeffries should think about as he is poised to replace Pelosi in the near future.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | November 17, 2022 10:53 PM |
Adam Schiff is poised to be appointed to replace Diane Feinstein
by Anonymous | reply 151 | November 17, 2022 11:18 PM |
Any confirmation of that, R151?
I just can't imagine Gov Handsome would again risk the outrage he faced when he didn't appoint a Black woman to replace Kamala Harris.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | November 17, 2022 11:30 PM |
Agree r152. I think it's wishful thinking that Newsom would appoint Schiff if she retires right now.
Now Schiff running for her seat in 2024 if she finishes out her term is a certainty.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | November 17, 2022 11:48 PM |
After her husband got attacked by some loon, you know she probably thought "I don't need this shit anymore."
And, who can blame her.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | November 18, 2022 12:03 AM |
Hakeem Jeffries in House
Chuck Schumer in senate...
New York state and local governments along with others will be saying "Ka-ching" for next two, four, six or more years....
Even as opposition party there are all sorts of ways to slip various funding including earmarks into budgets or spending bills.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | November 18, 2022 1:52 AM |
Thinking back to some iconic Nancy moments, like at the State of the Union address when she offered her hand to Trump and the fucker just walked right by and ignored her.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | November 18, 2022 2:52 AM |
Then afterwards she very dramatically stood up and RIPPED that speech to pieces.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | November 18, 2022 2:54 AM |
Not dramatically, r158...purposefully.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | November 18, 2022 3:11 AM |
R99 caused a lot of strife. I blocked him and was shocked at the number of posts that disappeared.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | November 18, 2022 4:29 AM |
Charles Barron is an ass. He explifies all that is wrong with NY's political machines and politics as a whole.
Sadly he's impossible to get rid of as he ticks right boxes for certain demographic of electorate, so they keep voting this loon into various offices.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | November 18, 2022 5:26 AM |
And AOC announces her run for top democrat spot in one, two, three...
by Anonymous | reply 162 | November 18, 2022 10:43 AM |
R160, anyone who posts in paragraphs around here is over interested in the topic at hand and is also probably nuts, I find.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | November 18, 2022 12:18 PM |
I believe George Clooney is producing a documentary exposing the Gym Jordan wrestling team scandal. I hope it comes out in the early new year as the Rethugs take Congress and we're exposed to more of Gym's idiocies.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | November 18, 2022 2:01 PM |
Random thought:
I'm sure both parties have done what MTG has mentioned in attempting to get defectors to switch sides of the aisle. But it is fascinating that not one "expert" has even bothered to do an analysis of who might possibly do it. It's just a foregone conclusion that out of 220(ish) Republicans not a single one of them has enough integrity to defect.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | November 18, 2022 2:09 PM |
[quote] Pelosi blesses new Democratic leadership trio — Jeffries, Clark and Aguilar. “A new day is dawning — and I am confident that these new leaders will capably lead our Caucus and the Congress.”
It should also be said that Nancy is doing the Democrats a huge favor for the 2024 election season (which has sadly already started). There is already an ad out with the headline
[quote] DeSantis is DeFuture
He's positioning himself as a mid-40's savior (literally) of America's Gilded Age (somewhat literally below). By all of the fossilized House Democratic Party leadership stepping down this week, the party can, hopefully, blunt some of that momentum
by Anonymous | reply 168 | November 18, 2022 4:05 PM |
When Trump arrives at McDonald's drive through window, Nancy will ask "Would you like fries with that?"
by Anonymous | reply 169 | November 18, 2022 4:13 PM |
[quote]And AOC announces her run for top democrat spot in one, two, three...
If the Dems in New York had listened to AOC, we'd have the majority in the House right now.
But do go on hating on her for no real reason other than your sexism and panic at getting old.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | November 23, 2022 5:45 PM |
I have mixed feelings about Nancy Pelosi but if McCarthy doesn't get the gavel after all the shameless pandering the soulless asshole has done, I am happy for Nancy. She certainly deserves the triumph of watching that carpetbagger slink off without succeeding her.
With any luck, the Republican moderates can put forward a candidate and the Democrats will lend enough votes to get him or her in place.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | November 23, 2022 5:58 PM |
There is not a "moderate republican" left in the House. The nutjobs rethugs are the ones controlling the power in the "R" party. The "freedom causes" of the rethugs is going to bite Mccarthy right in his ass; he will never make SOTH unless he gives away all his power.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | November 23, 2022 6:44 PM |
McCarthy isn't that sane and moderate to begin with.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | November 23, 2022 8:42 PM |
Yeah it's only because the Republican caucus is full of people like MTG that McCarty would ever be called sane or moderate, he is not a moderate and is pretty dumb.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | November 23, 2022 9:02 PM |
There are moderate Republicans. It's MAGA to pretend otherwise but I recognize it makes some of you feel good, so enough said.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | November 23, 2022 9:07 PM |