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Pelosi will ‘address her future plans’ Thursday

I bet she is gonna retire.

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by Anonymousreply 175November 23, 2022 10:07 PM

I think Trump did her in. When she make that comment about Trump and said she would “punch him out", I bet he ordered a hit on her husband. It is all too much for her and she is bailing out.

by Anonymousreply 1November 17, 2022 1:17 PM

Good her and the rest of the 75+ year olds in congress need to hang it up.

by Anonymousreply 2November 17, 2022 1:20 PM

It's time. She has had a great legacy, but you have to let the next generation of leaders step up. She can go out in top now.

by Anonymousreply 3November 17, 2022 1:21 PM

It’s time.

by Anonymousreply 4November 17, 2022 1:22 PM

It will be a loss for Democrats. She has been formidable and effective.

by Anonymousreply 5November 17, 2022 1:25 PM

Will a Democrat replace her, or are the Repugs gonna slide another MAGA in her place?

by Anonymousreply 6November 17, 2022 1:27 PM

It should be Feinstein retiring.

by Anonymousreply 7November 17, 2022 1:28 PM

I agree

by Anonymousreply 8November 17, 2022 1:29 PM

Nancy Pelosi's district is San Francisco r6. Once she leaves there is not a snowball's chance in hell a Republican can when that seat

by Anonymousreply 9November 17, 2022 1:31 PM

Win that seat*

by Anonymousreply 10November 17, 2022 1:31 PM

With Hakeem Jeffries her almost certain successor, New York is taking over. Will be a NYer leading Dems in the Senate and a NYer leading Dems in the House

by Anonymousreply 11November 17, 2022 1:33 PM

Why is Jeffries the inevitable successor?

by Anonymousreply 12November 17, 2022 1:47 PM

As much as I like Nancy what has happened to her and her husband is more than most people half her age can handle. Enough is enough

by Anonymousreply 13November 17, 2022 1:47 PM

[quote]I bet she is gonna retire.

I'll drink to that.

by Anonymousreply 14November 17, 2022 1:59 PM

[comment] I think Trump did her in. When she make that comment about Trump and said she would “punch him out", I bet he ordered a hit on her husband. It is all too much for her and she is bailing out.

Pelosi's attacker was a crazy Canadian. How could Trump have set that up?

by Anonymousreply 15November 17, 2022 2:08 PM

^ On Jan 6th the mob was going to kill Nancy, Trump set that up

by Anonymousreply 16November 17, 2022 2:11 PM

She deserves to retire but I could see the incident with her husband causing her out of bravery to want to continue so it doesn't appear she's retiring out of fear of the MAGAs. Just my theory, I'm a fan and don't want to think of her as misguided in this situation.

by Anonymousreply 17November 17, 2022 2:15 PM

^ Or maybe it was one thing when they were going after just her, but now they're going after her family. Not worth it

by Anonymousreply 18November 17, 2022 2:19 PM

Hakeem Jeffries is a saavy political operator who has been building relationships within the Dem caucus to be Pelosi's successor for years now r12. Schiff tried to challenge him recently and quickly realized he didn't stand a chance. I'll link a nice article about it if you are curious.

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by Anonymousreply 19November 17, 2022 2:19 PM

[quote] I think Trump did her in. When she make that comment about Trump and said she would “punch him out", I bet he ordered a hit on her husband. It is all too much for her and she is bailing out. ~~ Pelosi's attacker was a crazy Canadian. How could Trump have set that up?

Trump, the Godfather, has long fingers which reach across the border.

by Anonymousreply 20November 17, 2022 2:23 PM

She’s effective and loves the power…she’ll stay, but will lease the final decision to the caucus.

by Anonymousreply 21November 17, 2022 2:23 PM

I adore her and will support whatever decision she chooses to make today.

I hope --no matter what she does next-- the people who set that QTard on her and who attacked her man, are made to pay and pay DEARLY. Those cunts are unAmerican, revolting, and deserve the harshest of punishments.

by Anonymousreply 22November 17, 2022 2:25 PM

I would love to see Hakeem in a more prominent position so, as much as I love Nancy, I think he should now succeed her. Dems need to begin getting some young names out there for 2028.

So, yeah, I think Joe should run again in 2024 if he's healthy and willing....he deserves it.

by Anonymousreply 23November 17, 2022 2:30 PM

Will the Dems ever run two men for Pres and VP again or will there always be a woman on the ticket now?

by Anonymousreply 24November 17, 2022 2:31 PM

I don't blame her. Her husband's attack put the seal on retiring. Whatever she decides, I wish her the best....she did great, with dealing with trump and the GQPers. She deserves an easier time now. If she stays, though....great.

by Anonymousreply 25November 17, 2022 2:35 PM

Nobody does it better Makes me feel sad for the rest Nobody does it half as good as you Baby, you're the best

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by Anonymousreply 26November 17, 2022 2:38 PM

According to this account (don't know if it is reliable, but seems true), she is staying in the House but won't seek leadership

[Quote]On the House floor at noon, Pelosi will say in a speech crafted in part by Jon Meacham that she intends to pass the torch to the next generation of leadership but will stay on as a backbencher to help guide future leader Hakeem Jeffries

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by Anonymousreply 27November 17, 2022 3:35 PM

She's considered one of the most effective Speakers in history, and the first woman to achieve the status. No more mountains to climb for her. The option defined by r27 seems a good one, but I'll cheer if she opts for a comfy retirement.

PS Hate the thought that Kevin McCarthy may be second in line to the Presidency. *Shudder*

by Anonymousreply 28November 17, 2022 3:40 PM

McCarthy won’t last long as Speaker. The infighting and disarray will be overwhelming. Fortunately this didn’t happen when Trump was president.

by Anonymousreply 29November 17, 2022 3:47 PM

Yet who might replace McCarthy and how would we feel about them being so close to the White House?

by Anonymousreply 30November 17, 2022 3:55 PM

[Quote]Good her and the rest of the 75+ year olds

Oh, dear, you quasiliterate moron.

by Anonymousreply 31November 17, 2022 3:57 PM

Second in line to the Presidency is overstated R28. (Not that you’re the only to say this, it’s a common enough statement). But for the Speaker to ever become President, the President and VP would both have to be removed from power at the exact same time. Outside of impeachment and conviction of both at the same time, it’s an unlikely event. The Speaker’s place in the line of succession speaks more to the power of the position. Power that Nancy reminded Trump of quite often.

by Anonymousreply 32November 17, 2022 4:03 PM

Best Speaker of the House ever. Understands Power& knows how to use it to the American peoples benefit!! Formidable woman

by Anonymousreply 33November 17, 2022 4:07 PM

[Quote]Trump, the Godfather, has long fingers which reach across the border.

Trump's short stubby fingers didn't have to reach far. Pelosi's assailant was an illegal alien from Canada who resided in the sanctuary city of SF for a decade

by Anonymousreply 34November 17, 2022 4:12 PM

Yes R34, that’s why Paul Pelosi has a cracked skull, because SF is a sanctuary city.

by Anonymousreply 35November 17, 2022 4:14 PM

I bet she steps down in the leadership role but stays until her next election... then steps aside for her daughter to run. Although can a governor replace a House member like a Senate seat? It's up to the district if they want to go all Kennedy on the seat in the election.

She should be given a great ambassador role after that if she wants it... one of the fun ones to enjoy herself. It is time for her to go, though. If the Dems were smart there would be a general agreement all the elderly go so by 24 the party is filled with younger people (and by younger I mean 50s and 60s too), compared to the stale freakfest of the Republicans who will all be same old same old. It would also create even more pressure to dump Trump.

CNN says two daughters are present today. Doesn't sound like a status quo announcement.

by Anonymousreply 36November 17, 2022 4:20 PM

Yes, it is a factor as sanctuary cities are seeing an increase in assaults committed illegals and the homeless.

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by Anonymousreply 37November 17, 2022 4:22 PM

committed by ^

by Anonymousreply 38November 17, 2022 4:43 PM

I would like Nancy to still be in Congress...in a quieter, background position, as an advisor. I can see her doing that. We'll soon find out.

by Anonymousreply 39November 17, 2022 4:46 PM

Not much has been said about her husband's condition and I suspect his injuries are probably worse than what's been reported, and that his recovery will be long. Certainly, that will weigh heavily in Pelosi's decision.

by Anonymousreply 40November 17, 2022 4:50 PM

Good lord , she’s a fuck’n 82 year old multi millionaire, take a break and enjoy the time you have left.

by Anonymousreply 41November 17, 2022 4:51 PM

She may stay on to help guide the newbies which would be typical Nancy - service to others and to country.

But her husband is in bad shape. I'd loathe to see her taken out by a MAGAT attack but she may feel it's time to be with family.

by Anonymousreply 42November 17, 2022 4:54 PM

her husband may need her more than the country does

by Anonymousreply 43November 17, 2022 4:58 PM

She just got reelected to her district, she's obviously not leaving the House. It's just whether she wants to be Speaker.

I heard the other day that Dianne Feinstein is considering retiring from her seat during the lame duck session, in which case Gavin Newsom would appoint Adam Schiff to replace her, as consolation for Hakeem Jeffries getting the fast track to be Speaker.

by Anonymousreply 44November 17, 2022 5:03 PM

Feinstein should definitely retire.

by Anonymousreply 45November 17, 2022 5:06 PM

I doubt Newsom would appoint Schiff r44 honestly. He is on the record saying he would appoint a black woman so it would look bad. Also he is a NorCal person, he isn't going to want two Senators from SoCal.

by Anonymousreply 46November 17, 2022 5:08 PM

R44..Thanks. I didn't realize she was just reelected.

by Anonymousreply 47November 17, 2022 5:09 PM

The entire House is always up for relection every two years, they all just got reelected r47.

by Anonymousreply 48November 17, 2022 5:11 PM

[quote] Why is Jeffries the inevitable successor?

Because she has guided him as her protege. People forget how complex the job actually is. Aside from a myriad of Byzantine and largely archaic Congressional rules, there's strategy and nuance involved.

And you must know how to count (MTG doesn't have enough toes to do that properly).

It is a massive loss to see her go but I commend her for doing what so many others (like RGB) don't have the integrity (yes, I said it) to do. Naming a successor while you're still around to mentor them is underrated.

by Anonymousreply 49November 17, 2022 5:12 PM

She needs to not take minority leadership and serve her team. Resigning completely would not be a good thing for her, the party or the country, unless her health is bad. Because it would be too soon after the assassination attempt, and would signal success for fascists, lunatics and others who want to disrupt government through violence.

by Anonymousreply 50November 17, 2022 5:14 PM

R49 Agree 100%

by Anonymousreply 51November 17, 2022 5:15 PM

Pelosi on CNN right now.

by Anonymousreply 52November 17, 2022 5:22 PM

Republicans are such trash.

by Anonymousreply 53November 17, 2022 5:25 PM

Rep. Hakeem Jefferies calling out those treasonous Thomases:

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by Anonymousreply 54November 17, 2022 5:29 PM

It's official. Pelosi says she will not seek leadership.

by Anonymousreply 55November 17, 2022 5:30 PM

Manu Raju

[quote] McCarthy not in the House chamber during Pelosi speech, per @DaniellaMicaela

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by Anonymousreply 56November 17, 2022 5:31 PM

^.

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by Anonymousreply 57November 17, 2022 5:32 PM

Pelosi IS staying on in the House. Looks like the tweet from upthread had the correct scoop.

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by Anonymousreply 58November 17, 2022 5:33 PM

Pelosi gets in another diss at Trump.

I've enjoyed working with three Presidents...when there have been four.

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by Anonymousreply 59November 17, 2022 5:34 PM

R56, why would he be? Why would a party who were shown that their behavior and actions disgusts millions of Americans and paid in the voting booth, show even in a modicum of decency or decorum?

I have had countless issues with Pelosi and the Democratic Party, but fuck every last one of you so stupid as to pull the "both sides" crap. The Democrats understand norms and respect for their offices even if we disagree with polices. The Republican party is comprised of anti-American, anti-democratic, disrespectful filth.

by Anonymousreply 60November 17, 2022 5:35 PM

My respect, Nancy Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 61November 17, 2022 5:36 PM

A good shot at trump. She's not going away, just won't be Minority Leader.

by Anonymousreply 62November 17, 2022 5:36 PM

Excellent. What a babe!

by Anonymousreply 63November 17, 2022 5:37 PM

There are tears on the floor.

by Anonymousreply 64November 17, 2022 5:38 PM

Bye girl bye! She's been nothing but a road block to progress.

by Anonymousreply 65November 17, 2022 5:38 PM

Pelosi was one of the most progressive Dems in leadership, Jeffries is to the right of her r65.

by Anonymousreply 66November 17, 2022 5:39 PM

(^.^) AOC

by Anonymousreply 67November 17, 2022 5:39 PM

The GOP taking the house may have been one of the reasons

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by Anonymousreply 68November 17, 2022 5:42 PM

[quote]With Hakeem Jeffries her almost certain successor, New York is taking over. Will be a NYer leading Dems in the Senate and a NYer leading Dems in the House

At least they're from a state that pays a shitload in taxes....unlike that shithole KY.

by Anonymousreply 69November 17, 2022 5:44 PM

She's been a terrific leader for the Democratic Party. She will be missed, but I do think it's time for a younger leader, someone younger than 60. We'll see who they choose. Whoever it is, I hope he/she can stand up to McCarthy!

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by Anonymousreply 71November 17, 2022 5:49 PM

[quote]Whoever it is, I hope he/she can stand up to McCarthy!

I cannot imagine that will be difficult.

by Anonymousreply 72November 17, 2022 5:51 PM

A great leader.

by Anonymousreply 73November 17, 2022 5:55 PM

She didn't die! She's going to be serving out her new term. She has two years to advise and counsel and to strategize and train the next Democratic Leader. As she said to Dana Bash in a very recent interview: " I may not be Speaker, but I will always have influence. " She can step back from Minority Leader, but she will definitely be around.

by Anonymousreply 74November 17, 2022 5:58 PM

[quote] Will the Dems ever run two men for Pres and VP again or will there always be a woman on the ticket now?

I’ll put good money on 2004 being the last time that every major party candidate was a white man, at least.

As for Nancy, if you want to know what kind of a badass she is, read about how she told Hank Paulson to go fuck himself if he didn’t want actually negotiate during the 2008 crisis.

And if you want to know what kind of a person she is, remember that her first ever speech on the House floor was about increasing funding for AIDS research.

There will never be another one like her.

by Anonymousreply 75November 17, 2022 5:58 PM

I don't remember Bush doing that, R71.. That was a very classy gesture.

by Anonymousreply 76November 17, 2022 5:59 PM

Kevin McCarthy will be "weaker" than Paul Ryan was as Speaker. If the Rethugs elect McCarthy at all. It's going to be a bloodbath for Rethugs.

by Anonymousreply 77November 17, 2022 6:00 PM

Did you ever think you'd see the day when a Bush and a Cheney would look good in comparison to the trash we just had before Biden?

by Anonymousreply 78November 17, 2022 6:02 PM

Congrats Nancy - thanks for all of your hard work. And standing up to the orange turd. You rock and will never be forgotten.

by Anonymousreply 79November 17, 2022 6:07 PM

"A good shot at trump."

Why? He set into motion an insurrection to go into the Capitol and kidnap, torture and kill her. He hired a hit man to rough her husband up as a warning. .. He's just going to see her stepping down as another of his rapes.

He also was behind the plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer and dump her in Lake Erie. And he's responsible for Liz Cheney forfeiting her career.

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by Anonymousreply 80November 17, 2022 6:07 PM

Getting back to Pelosi’s ability to count votes, the only reason why Paul Ryan was elected Speaker was because McCarthy thought he had the votes to become Speaker and had Boehner call a vote, with McCarthy’s wife and children in the room, only not get a majority. Ryan was then picked as the compromise candidate.

Unless he has learned how to count votes and have trusted whips round up those votes, it doesn’t bode well for his success in pushing through the GOP agenda.

by Anonymousreply 81November 17, 2022 6:08 PM

Never forget.

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by Anonymousreply 82November 17, 2022 6:09 PM

Dems In Array

[quote] Breaking: Leader Hoyer just announced he will NOT seek elected leadership in the 118th Congress. He, like Speaker Pelosi, will remain in Congress.

[quote] AND he adds: "I am proud to offer my strong endorsement to Hakeem Jeffries for Democratic Leader."

Compare this to the nonsense on the other side of the aisle

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by Anonymousreply 83November 17, 2022 6:10 PM

"A good shot at trump."....Pelosi was right and as always, knew how to get under his orange skin. It was delicious. One of many reasons why I like her. I know what trump did.. no explanations.

by Anonymousreply 84November 17, 2022 6:13 PM

Borger on CNN was just talking Borger said when Denny Hastert was defeated or stepped down or WTF ever, Nancy gave him some kind of ceremonial role as a gesture of goodwill. Kevin is a total pig. Rotten fucker.

by Anonymousreply 85November 17, 2022 6:15 PM

First woman Speak of the House - ONLY woman Speaker.

She's done a lot for people and this country. She's been the focus and taken the brunt of bile for decades and retained a sense of decorum.

I may not have always agreed with her, but have to give credit where credit is due.

by Anonymousreply 86November 17, 2022 6:16 PM

Kick-ass statement from the President.

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by Anonymousreply 87November 17, 2022 6:17 PM

Pelosi is the first, and only woman, to become Speaker. She was also one of the best, if not the best. She had some real challenges...especially with #45.

by Anonymousreply 88November 17, 2022 6:20 PM

Early on, Nancy made the brilliant observation that Trump's insults towards an opponent always precisely described his fear of that very weakness in himself.

by Anonymousreply 89November 17, 2022 6:25 PM

Just like Nancy made history, Hakeem is on track to make history as the first black Speaker of the House. Hopefully in 2024 when we take it back.

by Anonymousreply 90November 17, 2022 6:28 PM

[quote]Dems In Array

This smooth transition we are seeing is also Nancy's legacy and how she kept her caucus together. People are falling in line behind her choice of successor.

by Anonymousreply 91November 17, 2022 6:31 PM

[quote] Kick-ass statement from the President.

You know, that statement made me feel nervous. Who on earth can fill her shoes? She is one of a kind.

by Anonymousreply 92November 17, 2022 6:32 PM

The Squad doesn't like Hakeem. Curious to see if AOC will cause drama here or will they remain quiet for now.

by Anonymousreply 93November 17, 2022 6:41 PM

I wasn't aware of ^^^ so I just googled.

*Almost* all of the articles are from CNN, The Hill, Poltico & The Intercept...

by Anonymousreply 94November 17, 2022 6:46 PM

R93, what do you think?

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by Anonymousreply 95November 17, 2022 6:48 PM

The squad will take any opportunity to

a) get attention

b) engage on Dem on Dem in public

by Anonymousreply 96November 17, 2022 6:50 PM

She is one of a kind, but it's time to pass the torch. She may not be front & center anymore, but that doesn't mean she can't crack skulls behind the scenes. Actually, the people who should be worried about this change is the repigs, because they've been fundraising off "evil San Francisco Nancy" for years now. No doubt they'll try to dump their bucket of pig's blood on Hakeem too, but in the short term, he won't be the polarizing figure Nancy is.

Whatever the case, you're a true patriot Nancy and history will remember your leadership at a perilous time for this country

by Anonymousreply 97November 17, 2022 6:56 PM

Let's make something perfectly: The MEDIA and idiots on SM created the narrative that the progressive caucus and Pelosi were at each other's throats. First of all, you expect disagreements and debate from within a party, because that's perfectly normal..and then you compromise. So when some of you assholes went after the squad for having their own beliefs when it comes to *policy* (I don't believe that's the reason. Most of the reasons for the hate came from the same, disgusting place as Trump and deplorables - bigotry/racism), you don't compare that to the terrorist neanderthals on the right who just want to burn the whole place down -- literally.

by Anonymousreply 98November 17, 2022 6:59 PM

Pelosi was a capable Speaker, for another time. Not for a time when Republicans are actively trying to dismantle democracy and institute de facto one-party rule. She was effective at nothing so much as letting Republicans escape accountability for their crimes and misdeeds. Pelosi is the one who took impeachment of Bush "off the table" and so let a war criminal go without paying any political price. Then she slow-walked both Trump impeachments. She dragged her feet after January 6 and gave Republicans a chance to regroup and resolidify behind Trump. And then she demanded a slimmed-down impeachment that covered only a few of the many charges that could have brought against him, reinforcing the Republican narrative that impeachment was a nothing-burger.

Yes, she is good at corralling votes for uninspiring centrist policies. But her political instincts are terrible, and she is in denial about what the Republican Party has become. There is a video of her saying, repeatedly, "we need a strong Republican Party" -- as though this fascist version of the GOP is just a fever dream and all will be well once the adults (i.e., her fellow gerontocrats) are back in charge. No, Nancy. Her pattern of insisting that we move on from Republican wrongdoing as quickly as possible so that we can get back to "kitchen table issues" has been disastrous. She is from a generation that is long past and doesn't fully understand the dangers we face.

Whoever replaces her, it ought to be a contest. The arrogance of some in her fan club to think that Hakeem Jeffries is entitled to it because she "groomed" him for the role. Sorry, girl-boss worshippers, she isn't a fucking monarch and she doesn't get to anoint her successor. Jeffries is a Wall Street empty suit who would be her sockpuppet and continue the "kitchen table" obsession while engaging in his favorite pastime, which is punching left. No thank you.

by Anonymousreply 99November 17, 2022 7:00 PM

Ooh, which member of the Squad is r99?

by Anonymousreply 100November 17, 2022 7:03 PM

Ooh, which YAS KWEEN is R100?

by Anonymousreply 101November 17, 2022 7:06 PM

You need to accept pragmatic leadership, it's the only way to get these done. While you obsess over ideological purity Pelosi was out there actually getting votes passed. Which is the job of the Speaker, knowing who to manage of caucus of hundreds of members and get them to accept compromises.

by Anonymousreply 102November 17, 2022 7:07 PM

It has nothing to do with pragmatism or "purity". These are words that apologists use to deflect from valid criticisms of Democratic inaction and timidity. It's loser thinking. You need to accept that some criticisms of the party and its leadership are valid, and we can and need to do better.

by Anonymousreply 103November 17, 2022 7:12 PM

Ah, blow it out your ass, r99.

by Anonymousreply 104November 17, 2022 7:16 PM

Sure there are valid criticisms to be made - but usually lefties have zero idea what the country is actually like.

by Anonymousreply 105November 17, 2022 7:17 PM

[quote]lefties

Bless your heart, r105.

by Anonymousreply 106November 17, 2022 7:19 PM

Related note: I'm reading a book about Ted Kennedy & it talks about Lyndon Johnson & his ability to work with/manipulate/bully people into getting shit done, all while letting them take the credit, think it was their idea or do what they had to do to look good to their constituents. Granted, that way is nearly gone, but Nancy is one of the old school who doesn't go running to the TV cameras on her twitter feed to try & influence others. She's by no means perfect, but it's kind of sad that no one seems to have any use for pragmatism and compromise

by Anonymousreply 107November 17, 2022 7:19 PM

[quote] But her political instincts are terrible, and she is in denial about what the Republican Party has become.

Sure, Jan.

[quote] Her pattern of insisting that we move on from Republican wrongdoing as quickly as possible

What planet are you living on, r99?

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by Anonymousreply 108November 17, 2022 7:23 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble R104. While I'm blowing it out my ass, Republicans have already announced investigations into the Biden family. ONE DAY after they clinched the House majority by a razor slim majority. They know how to play politics in the worst way. Meanwhile, their criminal lowlife president incited an INSURRECTION and Nancy rejected an immediate effort by other Democrats to impeach him. Republicans were in disarray and she could have seized the moment. But instead she waited a week to even hold a vote and then delivered a *single* article of impeachment almost 3 weeks after Jan. 6. By then it was too late.

by Anonymousreply 109November 17, 2022 7:24 PM

Oh, I see, r109. If she hadn't waited a week, the Republicans would have voted to convict Trump? I see.

by Anonymousreply 110November 17, 2022 7:27 PM

Let go of the hero worship R108. It doesn't look any better on us than it does on them.

by Anonymousreply 111November 17, 2022 7:28 PM

[quote]Republicans have already announced investigations into the Biden family. ONE DAY after they clinched the House majority by a razor slim majority.

And this is a surprise to you...why, r109? What the hell does Nancy have to do with that?

by Anonymousreply 112November 17, 2022 7:30 PM

Nancy Pelosi *is* a hero, r111. Who else could have navigated us so strategically through the Trump years, r111, who?

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by Anonymousreply 113November 17, 2022 7:33 PM

Where did I say it was a surprise, R112? I was making a comparison. By the way, that's the "strong Republican Party" that Pelosi thinks we need!

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by Anonymousreply 114November 17, 2022 7:33 PM

[quote]By the way, that's the "strong Republican Party" that Pelosi thinks we need!

That's idiotic, r114.

by Anonymousreply 115November 17, 2022 7:35 PM

Oops

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by Anonymousreply 116November 17, 2022 7:35 PM

She's telling them to take back their party from the cult to make them a strong party, r116. Do you have a problem with that?

by Anonymousreply 117November 17, 2022 7:38 PM

[quote]Republicans have already announced investigations into the Biden family. ONE DAY after they clinched the House majority by a razor slim majority. They know how to play politics in the worst way.

They certainly do, r109, as those investigations will go nowhere and just cost time and money. *That's* how you want *our* side to play?

by Anonymousreply 118November 17, 2022 7:45 PM

R117, if you can't see how absolutely dunderheaded those statements are politically, and how they utterly misapprehend what the right wing has been engaged in for the last *thirty plus years*, then I can't help you. Yes, I do have a problem with the Democratic Speaker calling for a "strong Republican Party". I don't want "strong Republicans" led by Newt Gingrich or Paul Ryan any more than I want a strong GOP led by Donald Trump. Are any Republicans calling for a strong Democratic Party? What a fucking stupid rhetorical strategy that honestly shows how out of touch she is with the political climate on the ground.

by Anonymousreply 119November 17, 2022 7:46 PM

Pelosi may be the most influential Speaker of our lifetimes.

Her majority this time around (223 seats) is only a couple more than what McCarthy might get. With it, she shepherded infrastructure, covid relief, climate change, same sex marriage protections, Medicare drug pricing reform, among many other bills. .

Heck, back when Obama, lacking legislative margins, was on the verge of seriously watering down his own ACA to get Republicans on board, Nancy verbally slapped him with We’re going to pass [italic] Health Care,[/italic] not kiddie care ! And she did it.

Compare that with Kevin McCarthy who couldn’t even whip up the votes for his own election.

Pelosi is a wonder.

by Anonymousreply 120November 17, 2022 8:05 PM

I think R119 etc. is taking political rhetoric a little too seriously. She obviously knows extremely well what the Republican Party is like now, going back to Newt Gingrich and earlier, because she's had a front-row seat. She's talking about the value of an adversarial two-party system, and when she says things like "we need a strong Republican Party" it's no different from saying "we need free and open elections" or "we need checks and balances." She's talking in the abstract about basic American political principles. She's cynical about today's Republicans but she's not cynical about fundamental political principles.

The problem is that most Americans aren't as idealistic about politics as Democratic politicians tend to be. She was never good at PR.

by Anonymousreply 121November 17, 2022 8:06 PM

Thank you, r121.

by Anonymousreply 122November 17, 2022 8:14 PM

[quote] This smooth transition we are seeing is also Nancy's legacy and how she kept her caucus together. People are falling in line behind her choice of successor.

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by Anonymousreply 123November 17, 2022 8:51 PM

R123 is just a taste of what is to come. Roy is a member of the extreme right faction of the GOP, led ostensibly by Majorie Greene, which numbers anywhere from a dozen to twenty depending on the issue.

They know they have McCarthy by the balls and they will have their pound of flesh, one way or the other. No real legislation will be feasible for the next two years, so expect hearing after investigation after hearing after investigation. Expect Jim Jordan to be a busy little bee in the next Congress.

by Anonymousreply 124November 17, 2022 9:15 PM

Hogwash, R121. For someone in high office, there is no such thing as taking their political rhetoric "too seriously". Didn't we learn that with Trump? Rhetoric matters a lot. It frames issues for voters and the media. The fact that many Democrats still don't understand this is maddening.

Saying repeatedly that "we need a strong Republican Party" and admonishing Republicans to "take their party back" propagates the notion that the Republican Party before Trump was just fine and if we could only go back to the days of George W. Bush (!), Newt Gingrich, etc., all would be well. It reinforces the frame of a GOP that has lost its way, instead of one that has been embracing theocracy and minority rule for decades. It's shitty framing and bad politics, and it's demoralizing to Democrats who are working tirelessly to *defeat Republicans*.

by Anonymousreply 125November 17, 2022 9:32 PM

It isn't shitty framing, r125. Do you want her to proclaim, "Burn the Republican Party down!"?

by Anonymousreply 126November 17, 2022 9:35 PM

^^ nonsense. She said neither said or implied any such thing.

by Anonymousreply 127November 17, 2022 9:37 PM

Hakeem Jeffries is a total SILF!

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by Anonymousreply 128November 17, 2022 9:40 PM

Yes it is, R126. I'm sorry that your girl-boss hero worship won't let you see that. How about just not saying it 5 times, or at all? How about saying that the Republican Party has turned on democracy and all the leaders of the party are complicit?

by Anonymousreply 129November 17, 2022 9:40 PM

What a classy speech she gave today. I expected nothing less, and she didn't disappoint. I love her dig at Trump when she mentioned the pleasure she had working for 3 presidents. It was almost as iconic as her ripping up his SOTU speech a few years ago.

I suspect Pelosi will remain in congress and take a quiet step back, while helping her successor. I also expect she will be working on an autobiography - which will be ready for release in 2025, when she leaves congress.

by Anonymousreply 130November 17, 2022 9:51 PM

[quote] led ostensibly by Majorie Greene,

My gawd! It's hard to believe this woman could successfully run a PTA bake sale

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by Anonymousreply 131November 17, 2022 9:52 PM

R129. I'm not the homo to whom you think you're replying. You do seem to get things wrong.

by Anonymousreply 132November 17, 2022 9:55 PM

Well, it's hard to hear way up there on her high horse, R132.

by Anonymousreply 133November 17, 2022 10:02 PM

She'll be the shadow Speaker. They just have to find her a puppet.

by Anonymousreply 134November 17, 2022 10:07 PM

McCarthy, if he ends up as Speaker, will attempt to lead his caucus as if they'd won some mandate election, and it will all crumble around him. The current GOP cannot lead, they can only seek to destroy and gum up the works, and their members have precious little experience accomplishing anything at all.

The good news is that they will be an uncoordinated mess and at each other's throats for two years.

by Anonymousreply 135November 17, 2022 10:12 PM

R133, are you not also the person who wrote this?

[quote]It isn't shitty framing, [R125]. Do you want her to proclaim, "Burn the Republican Party down!"?

If you are, then you are exactly the homo to whom I was replying. Take your time and put the pieces together.

by Anonymousreply 136November 17, 2022 10:28 PM

^^ Sorry, I meant R132, not R133.

by Anonymousreply 137November 17, 2022 10:28 PM

Ranking member on the committees Jordan and MTG (oh, gawd) Chair...

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by Anonymousreply 138November 17, 2022 10:37 PM

R137, I think you just convicted yourself on the stand.

by Anonymousreply 139November 17, 2022 10:41 PM

The Perry Mason moment, r139.

by Anonymousreply 140November 17, 2022 10:43 PM

[quote]Almost no one in the United States has had more opportunities to stop the rise of the Republicans than Pelosi. Considering that Republican strength, her tenure cannot be viewed as successful.

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by Anonymousreply 141November 17, 2022 10:45 PM

Opinions are like assholes, r141...

by Anonymousreply 142November 17, 2022 10:47 PM

Sick burn, R142

by Anonymousreply 143November 17, 2022 10:48 PM

And the one @ 141 is is like Bernie Sanders, R142

by Anonymousreply 144November 17, 2022 10:50 PM

Why is there not a retirement age for these geezers?

by Anonymousreply 145November 17, 2022 10:54 PM

Nancy's beautiful speech was apparently written with the guiding hand of hot daddy professor and MSNBC contributor Jon Meacham. Nancy has good taste.

by Anonymousreply 146November 17, 2022 11:13 PM

Adam Schiff was clearly seen on the Hose floor as one of the very first Congressmen in line this afternoon to thank and hug Nancy after her speech. So there are apparently no hard feelings there.

by Anonymousreply 147November 17, 2022 11:15 PM

[quote]Adam Schiff was clearly seen on the Hose floor

Picking up some knee-highs?

by Anonymousreply 148November 17, 2022 11:19 PM

R93, this article implies the same as what R98 summarized.

It also presents him as someone who progressives have repeatedly thought they could outmaneuver and failed to do so because he's such a diplomatic and congenial fellow

[quote] The activists who have asserted themselves as the arbiters of progressivism, including groups like the Justice Democrats, don’t tend to like Jeffries, and he doesn’t like them. The policy differences between them are hard to see. The bad feelings, though, can be traced to 2018, when he beat the left flank’s choice, Representative Barbara Lee of California, for his leadership spot. His victory prompted a retaliatory threat, sourced to people close to fellow New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, that he would be a “highest priority” target in a 2020 primary. (No challenge ever materialized; Jeffries demurred when I asked about Ocasio-Cortez, and her spokesperson declined to comment—though only after asking what Jeffries had said about the representative.) The AOC wing’s main complaint with Jeffries is that although he talks often about climate change, he doesn’t endorse the Green New Deal. He doesn’t like feeling bullied into signing on. He believes that activists are too caught up in thinking about changing society around environmental goals, rather than the systemic racism that he wants to focus on.

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by Anonymousreply 149November 17, 2022 11:21 PM

Jeffries should see what happened to Sean Patrick Maloney and Bill de Blasio this year and Elliot Engel, Joe Crowley and most notoriously Andrew Cuomo in previous years. An antagonistic asshole in New York politics always gets taken down. It's why Schumer did his best to make peace with the left of the party. Jeffries has faced a formidable challenge from dynastic council member Charles Barron before. If the DSA were to more aggressively back him in 2024, Barron would win and Jeffries would lose. Something Jeffries should think about as he is poised to replace Pelosi in the near future.

by Anonymousreply 150November 17, 2022 11:53 PM

Adam Schiff is poised to be appointed to replace Diane Feinstein

by Anonymousreply 151November 18, 2022 12:18 AM

Any confirmation of that, R151?

I just can't imagine Gov Handsome would again risk the outrage he faced when he didn't appoint a Black woman to replace Kamala Harris.

by Anonymousreply 152November 18, 2022 12:30 AM

Agree r152. I think it's wishful thinking that Newsom would appoint Schiff if she retires right now.

Now Schiff running for her seat in 2024 if she finishes out her term is a certainty.

by Anonymousreply 153November 18, 2022 12:48 AM

After her husband got attacked by some loon, you know she probably thought "I don't need this shit anymore."

And, who can blame her.

by Anonymousreply 154November 18, 2022 1:03 AM

Generous words from McTurtle

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by Anonymousreply 155November 18, 2022 2:32 AM

Hakeem Jeffries in House

Chuck Schumer in senate...

New York state and local governments along with others will be saying "Ka-ching" for next two, four, six or more years....

Even as opposition party there are all sorts of ways to slip various funding including earmarks into budgets or spending bills.

by Anonymousreply 156November 18, 2022 2:52 AM

Thinking back to some iconic Nancy moments, like at the State of the Union address when she offered her hand to Trump and the fucker just walked right by and ignored her.

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by Anonymousreply 157November 18, 2022 3:52 AM

Then afterwards she very dramatically stood up and RIPPED that speech to pieces.

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by Anonymousreply 158November 18, 2022 3:54 AM

Not dramatically, r158...purposefully.

by Anonymousreply 159November 18, 2022 4:11 AM

R99 caused a lot of strife. I blocked him and was shocked at the number of posts that disappeared.

by Anonymousreply 160November 18, 2022 5:29 AM

Charles Barron is an ass. He explifies all that is wrong with NY's political machines and politics as a whole.

Sadly he's impossible to get rid of as he ticks right boxes for certain demographic of electorate, so they keep voting this loon into various offices.

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by Anonymousreply 161November 18, 2022 6:26 AM

And AOC announces her run for top democrat spot in one, two, three...

by Anonymousreply 162November 18, 2022 11:43 AM

R160, anyone who posts in paragraphs around here is over interested in the topic at hand and is also probably nuts, I find.

by Anonymousreply 163November 18, 2022 1:18 PM

more Dems in array

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by Anonymousreply 164November 18, 2022 2:48 PM

More GQP in disarray

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by Anonymousreply 165November 18, 2022 2:50 PM

I believe George Clooney is producing a documentary exposing the Gym Jordan wrestling team scandal. I hope it comes out in the early new year as the Rethugs take Congress and we're exposed to more of Gym's idiocies.

by Anonymousreply 166November 18, 2022 3:01 PM

Random thought:

I'm sure both parties have done what MTG has mentioned in attempting to get defectors to switch sides of the aisle. But it is fascinating that not one "expert" has even bothered to do an analysis of who might possibly do it. It's just a foregone conclusion that out of 220(ish) Republicans not a single one of them has enough integrity to defect.

by Anonymousreply 167November 18, 2022 3:09 PM

[quote] Pelosi blesses new Democratic leadership trio — Jeffries, Clark and Aguilar. “A new day is dawning — and I am confident that these new leaders will capably lead our Caucus and the Congress.”

It should also be said that Nancy is doing the Democrats a huge favor for the 2024 election season (which has sadly already started). There is already an ad out with the headline

[quote] DeSantis is DeFuture

He's positioning himself as a mid-40's savior (literally) of America's Gilded Age (somewhat literally below). By all of the fossilized House Democratic Party leadership stepping down this week, the party can, hopefully, blunt some of that momentum

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by Anonymousreply 168November 18, 2022 5:05 PM

When Trump arrives at McDonald's drive through window, Nancy will ask "Would you like fries with that?"

by Anonymousreply 169November 18, 2022 5:13 PM

[quote]And AOC announces her run for top democrat spot in one, two, three...

If the Dems in New York had listened to AOC, we'd have the majority in the House right now.

But do go on hating on her for no real reason other than your sexism and panic at getting old.

by Anonymousreply 170November 23, 2022 6:45 PM

I have mixed feelings about Nancy Pelosi but if McCarthy doesn't get the gavel after all the shameless pandering the soulless asshole has done, I am happy for Nancy. She certainly deserves the triumph of watching that carpetbagger slink off without succeeding her.

With any luck, the Republican moderates can put forward a candidate and the Democrats will lend enough votes to get him or her in place.

by Anonymousreply 171November 23, 2022 6:58 PM

There is not a "moderate republican" left in the House. The nutjobs rethugs are the ones controlling the power in the "R" party. The "freedom causes" of the rethugs is going to bite Mccarthy right in his ass; he will never make SOTH unless he gives away all his power.

by Anonymousreply 172November 23, 2022 7:44 PM

McCarthy isn't that sane and moderate to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 173November 23, 2022 9:42 PM

Yeah it's only because the Republican caucus is full of people like MTG that McCarty would ever be called sane or moderate, he is not a moderate and is pretty dumb.

by Anonymousreply 174November 23, 2022 10:02 PM

There are moderate Republicans. It's MAGA to pretend otherwise but I recognize it makes some of you feel good, so enough said.

by Anonymousreply 175November 23, 2022 10:07 PM
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