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Watching The Sopranos again since the first time in the 90s

Such an amazing show. Tony should have been wifh Sveltlana. It was a little frustrating how they just dropped plots. Especially The Pine Barrens.

by Anonymousreply 126November 26, 2022 4:10 AM

Annabella Sciorra and Aida Turtorro were two of my favorite performances on the show. I also loved Drea de matteo. So many great performances.

Gandolfini was pitch perfect too of course. I wonder what he would be doing with his career now. Has anyone watched the prequel film? I haven't watched it and am wondering if it's any good.

by Anonymousreply 1November 15, 2022 10:51 PM

I haven't yet either. Waiting to finish the series. Again. God I forgot how good everyone is. I fell off of 6 month keto run because I wanted pasta

by Anonymousreply 2November 15, 2022 11:03 PM

What was the point of Meadow's nutty roommate? That story never really went anywhere. She did MDMA, got fucked and was cured? That's what it looked like

by Anonymousreply 3November 16, 2022 3:58 PM

R1, James Gandolfini was an amazing actor. What a loss

by Anonymousreply 4November 16, 2022 3:58 PM

My favorite character was Rosalie Aprile.

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by Anonymousreply 5November 16, 2022 4:17 PM

Love the Sopranos. Hated the “Christopher tries scriptwriting” plot. It was both tedious and absurd, if that’s possible. The rest of the show was perfect.

by Anonymousreply 6November 16, 2022 4:28 PM

Nancy Marchand was so good as Livia Soprano, despite portraying one of the vilest characters in the history of television. The fact Marchand wasn’t even Italian in real life (she’s a New York WASP) made her portrayal of Livia even more intriguing. I do wonder wonder what Olympia Dukakis would’ve done with that character had they cast her instead of Marchand.

by Anonymousreply 7November 16, 2022 4:31 PM

I’m in the middle of the last season - 20 episodes in all, 10 more to go!

by Anonymousreply 8November 16, 2022 5:24 PM

The plots involving Meadow and AJ were usually boring & dumb.

[quote] It was a little frustrating how they just dropped plots. Especially The Pine Barrens.

How much further were they supposed to go with Pine Barrens? Reveal the fate of the Russian? I think that plot was sufficiently tied up. It created further tension (and cohesion) between Paulie & Christopher for the rest of the seasons.

by Anonymousreply 9November 16, 2022 5:30 PM

The show never recovered from Marchand dying. It never reached those giddy heights again.

by Anonymousreply 10November 16, 2022 5:36 PM

I loved Tony’s coma episode when he went to Hell’s waiting room: Costa Mesa

by Anonymousreply 11November 16, 2022 5:40 PM

My favorite character was Johnny Sac!! One of the best episodes ever was his daughter's wedding ("Mr. and Mrs. John Sacramoni Request.") He is hauled off in tears by the FBI, at which point Ginny Sac faints dead away. Fabulous. This was also the episode where Vito is moved to sneak out to the leather bar.

One thing this series did masterfully is insure that (nearly) all the characters get their comeuppance sooner or later: Johnny Sac dies alone and sick in prison; Silvio lands in a coma; Christopher dies (literally) at Tony's hands; Uncle Junior is left alone and befuddled in a crummy nursing home; and Paulie sits alone with that cat stalking him...

Not to mention the fates of Ralphie, Richie Aprile, and poor Adriana! And who gets off scot free? Tony, Carmela, Meadow and AJ - well, maybe...

by Anonymousreply 12November 16, 2022 5:42 PM

I recently rewatched it and didn't like a lot of it the second time around. It was such a revelation the first time. But there are some really great episodes and characters. Nancy Marchand as Tony's mother is always a hoot. Tony and Carmela's fight in Whitecaps is another highlight.

by Anonymousreply 13November 16, 2022 5:45 PM

"Shooting the Sopranos" (6 episodes) is "free" on Amazon Prime. Hosted by Gigi Cestone. I just watched Episode 1, re: the making of the episode where Tony causes Phil Leotardo to crash into a truck.

by Anonymousreply 14November 16, 2022 5:52 PM

[quote] My favorite character was Johnny Sac!! One of the best episodes ever was his daughter's wedding ("Mr. and Mrs. John Sacramoni Request.") He is hauled off in tears by the FBI, at which point Ginny Sac faints dead away. Fabulous.

I like Johnny Sac, as well. (The actor, IRL, is a deplorable, though, I think.) Anyway, I found it out of character for him to start bawling like that at Allegra's wedding. (Allegra really did look like Ginny Sac.) Phil's reaction, though, was classic Phil (Frank Vincent). (I can never trust Johnny Sac again - look how easily he cracks.)

by Anonymousreply 15November 16, 2022 5:54 PM

R15, Johnny, like Tony, was, perversely, capable deep feeling. (Note that Tony was the only one who defended Johnny’s bout of tears).

by Anonymousreply 16November 16, 2022 6:07 PM

That's why all the hoods turn on him, R15 - not because he got nabbed by the FBI but because he cried in public and showed weakness - a greater sin than any crime. He was at the top of the NY family - powerful, wealthy, perfectly tailored in those camel hair coats--his fall was long and hard. Loyal and loving to his fat wife Ginny - when he catches her with her hoard of candy in the laundry room, he's kind to her - he has a nice little monologue with Tony where he describes how great looking she was when he first saw her "in the fur department at Wanamaker's" - it's great. She stands by him till the end, visiting him in jail, even though her circumstances are vastly reduced.

I also liked the Gloria Petrillo plot line with Anabella Sciorra - she and Tony had real sexual chemistry until she went, um, a tad crazy...she avoids a fate that wouldn't be "cinematic" but ends up as a suicide anyway.

by Anonymousreply 17November 16, 2022 6:10 PM

Any relation to Sophia?

by Anonymousreply 18November 16, 2022 6:25 PM

They did Ade so dirty. I am dreading those episodes.

by Anonymousreply 19November 16, 2022 6:25 PM

Adriana had to die. She was an informant. That's not "doing Ade dirty."

by Anonymousreply 20November 16, 2022 6:47 PM

It was just so damn violent and scary

by Anonymousreply 21November 16, 2022 6:49 PM

Gloria Trillo, Globe Mercedes.

by Anonymousreply 22November 16, 2022 6:53 PM

My favourite character even though she is an unmerciful annoying cunt has got to be Janice. Reminds me of so many lazy, entitled fraus from my hometown. Often with 'illnesses' like Chronic Fatigue etc that entitles them to be fat, never work and live on disability. For Janice it was her chronic carpal tunnel from working the steamed milk machine 'no worse pain'. From her very arrival you know she's a total C.

Tony : "Look at you, ya look like a teenager" Janice : "My therapist says I'm regressing"

Or when she's in the ER after the Russian mobsters attack her and she's finding Christianity. "Janice we've been here before with the eh Vishnu and Richard fuckin Alpert and the coyote spirit and it always spells trouble for the rest of us"

Got her good after she did that anger management course though "What's French Canadian for I grew up without a mother" T could be a vicious bastard. They were all Livia's kids at the end of the day.

by Anonymousreply 23November 16, 2022 7:00 PM

Most people hate Janice and wish she wasn't on the show, but I loved her too. So terrible.

by Anonymousreply 24November 16, 2022 7:07 PM

Mama's lil tramp. Mama's lil whoooooooah

by Anonymousreply 25November 16, 2022 7:11 PM

People who hated Janice miss the point. She was written to be hated.

by Anonymousreply 26November 16, 2022 7:18 PM

This did crack me up when I saw it last week

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by Anonymousreply 27November 16, 2022 7:19 PM

They'd all be Deplorables now. And trying to rip people off with bitcoin and NFT

by Anonymousreply 28November 16, 2022 7:23 PM

Poor Adriana.

by Anonymousreply 29November 16, 2022 7:25 PM

Janice was, indeed, a great character. Her character was brought back after Nancy Marchand (Livia) died. As sort of a replacement for a female family villain. David Chase's mother, IRL, was a villain, so he had no qualms with creating female villain characters.

Janice was a grifter, fake Christian, yeah I think she had fibromyalgia. She had anger management problems. She abandoned her child. She fucked Ralph Cifaretto and Richie Aprile (who she killed). She then dumped Ralph, which was funny.

by Anonymousreply 30November 16, 2022 7:25 PM

I think they'd all be Trump supporters for sure. Especially in 2016.

by Anonymousreply 31November 16, 2022 7:30 PM

R31 ummm I dunno the gals did like Hillary

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by Anonymousreply 32November 16, 2022 7:31 PM

^Well, they'd definitely see right through Trump & look in amazement at the grift operation he established, duping dopey rednecks that he'd call the cops on if they showed up on his doorstep. But I think Tony in particular would've been outraged by the 1/6 riot ("shitting on floor! That's fucking disgusting!") because I think Tony views himself as a patriot. Plus, Meadow would come over and ream him out for supporting Trump. Plus, Trump wanted to undermine the government & it was in Tony's interest to keep the government grift going.

You could talk endlessly about the Sopranos but I one of the things that kept me tuning in was for a mob boss, Tony had the same problem everyone else did: he wanted to love his family, but they got on his nerves, he had to deal with idiots at work who frequently fucked up basic directions, he had little self control and he was baffled by a quickly changing world.

by Anonymousreply 33November 16, 2022 7:38 PM

Christopher's intervention has to be the funniest scene in human entertainment history. So many memories came back reading this thread.

Please let's not turn this into a fucking Trump thread. Some of you are so fucking obsessed with the guy, it invades everything you do and think! Trump in a Sopranos thread, fucking really?

by Anonymousreply 34November 16, 2022 7:41 PM

Tony killing Ralphie was an exceptionally well done episode.

by Anonymousreply 35November 16, 2022 7:42 PM

His hair was in the toilet water, R34.

by Anonymousreply 36November 16, 2022 7:42 PM

It's crazy how timeless the fashions are. Apart from Meadow's stupid low headbands and some of Tony's more 90's golf shirts, everyone looks pretty normal. Except for Furio, who wore those Versace shirts that were crazy then

by Anonymousreply 37November 16, 2022 7:53 PM

Yeah, Christopher's intervention was a good scene.

I also liked the scene where Paulie sees a psychic.

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by Anonymousreply 38November 16, 2022 7:55 PM

My favourite of Janice was when her therapist told her to break up with Ralphie

"Speak the truth Jan, but with the compassion and respect that you're famous for."

And then he comes over with his belongings to move in "Janooootski"

And she throws him down the stairs because he didn't take his shoes off LOL

She was a psycho

by Anonymousreply 39November 16, 2022 7:57 PM

I loved that one too, R38. Some real black magic shit!

by Anonymousreply 40November 16, 2022 7:58 PM

R39 this was the moment she knew she needed him gone

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by Anonymousreply 41November 16, 2022 7:59 PM

Yeah R37 pretty sure there's still lots of old guys in those velour tracksuits Paulie wore.

by Anonymousreply 42November 16, 2022 8:03 PM

I was always fascinated by the psychology of it all. How people can be so horrible and be mainstream at the same time. The fascinating part of the show for me was just when a character would lull you into “oh they aren’t that bad” there would be a scene like Tony and Chris chopping up Richie in the bathroom and bagging him up. It would shock your system back into oh yeah they really are sociopaths. All of them. It just gets better with each viewing.

by Anonymousreply 43November 16, 2022 8:05 PM

So many quotable lines from this show that still stand up today.

Favourite characters were the truly awful ones : Phil Leotardo, Ralphie Cifaretto, Richie Aprile, Johnny Sack. Truly masterful performances from all those actors.

by Anonymousreply 44November 16, 2022 8:08 PM

"Maybe the fact you stick your dick into anything with a pulse, you ever thought of exploring that as a root cause?"

Exceptional writing and acting

by Anonymousreply 45November 16, 2022 8:18 PM

You look like a Puerto Rican whore!

by Anonymousreply 46November 16, 2022 9:24 PM

I remember thinking how terrible Steven VanZandt and his real life were the first time around. Now I'm pretty charmed by them

by Anonymousreply 47November 16, 2022 9:25 PM

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by Anonymousreply 48November 16, 2022 9:32 PM

And the Emmy goes to...

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by Anonymousreply 49November 16, 2022 9:34 PM

Binge re-watched during lockdown (like so many of us). Had to take a break when I found myself muttering oaths as I threw open the fridge and was unimpressed by the contents. Became a bit road ragey too. ‘Cocksucking motherfucking asshole!’

by Anonymousreply 50November 16, 2022 9:45 PM

What an incredible actress Nancy Marchand was.

by Anonymousreply 51November 16, 2022 9:46 PM

Is there an article about Chase's mom somewhere? I know she was the inspiration, but that's all I ever read.

by Anonymousreply 52November 16, 2022 10:56 PM

Paulie Walnuts. He never failed to make me laugh.

by Anonymousreply 53November 16, 2022 11:08 PM

I really enjoyed Tim Daly as handsome privileged addicted loser JD. I think that his death was one of the most shocking in the show.

by Anonymousreply 54November 16, 2022 11:59 PM

Carmella is a butterface, but I get it.

by Anonymousreply 55November 17, 2022 12:09 AM

I love that Carmella had the original Karen Haircut

by Anonymousreply 56November 17, 2022 12:10 AM

Lorraine Bracco got a raw deal. She gave a great supporting performance but was pushed to Lead where she ALWAYS lost to Edie Falco.

Then she finally gets in supporting for the last season but loses to Katherine Heigl.

by Anonymousreply 57November 17, 2022 12:12 AM

I don’t like the first season. The second season might be OK. 3rd season is when it gets good.

Big Pussy was a horrible actor and that’s why he was made to be an FBI informant and then taken out to sea to be killed.

by Anonymousreply 58November 17, 2022 12:13 AM

“Where did this come from…the bread museum?”

“Is this about the Easter baskets?”

by Anonymousreply 59November 17, 2022 1:45 AM

I loved it the first time around, but after watching Gomorrah, I couldn't get through it again.

by Anonymousreply 60November 17, 2022 1:47 AM

I don't get it r60

by Anonymousreply 61November 17, 2022 2:08 AM

I thought that Gomorrah packed more of an emotional punch without being sentimental like the Sopranos.

by Anonymousreply 62November 17, 2022 2:12 AM

A favorite scene.

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by Anonymousreply 63November 17, 2022 7:12 AM

I found some of the men on the show hot as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 64November 17, 2022 8:15 AM

Jackie Jr was so sexy

by Anonymousreply 65November 17, 2022 10:49 AM

[quote]Big Pussy was a horrible actor and that’s why he was made to be an FBI informant and then taken out to sea to be killed.

That reminds me of one of my favorite episode: the first Christmas after Big Pussy's demise. Outwardly, they're all talking shit about him & glad he's gone, but inwardly, they miss what he brought to the group & they try to figure out the point at which he turned on them. It was a rare episode where everyone in the group was emotionally impacted.

On Chase's mother: I heard an NPR interview in which he talks about how his mother left her first husband & ran off with Chase's father (hence the generic "Chase"), but life didn't turn out to be what she thought it would be & she was angry at her husband & children for disappointing her. She gave up everything for this? And you can see that in Livia - she's angry & bitter and it's everyone else's fault.

by Anonymousreply 66November 17, 2022 11:31 AM

Ralph I’ve

by Anonymousreply 67November 17, 2022 12:38 PM

Pantolino who played Ralphie, used to work out at my fairly basic gym in CT during the time he was on the show. He would dress in an all white track suit, gold chains with a beret type cap and bring an entourage. He definitely thought highly of himself, full swagger.

by Anonymousreply 68November 17, 2022 12:42 PM

R66, that was a good episode featuring Bobby Bacala as a shitty, grouchy Santa.

by Anonymousreply 69November 17, 2022 4:49 PM

This one of the most amazing, moving episode ending of the whole show.

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by Anonymousreply 70November 17, 2022 6:08 PM

^^^the clip should have included the scene before this when Tony says something to the effect "I don't know what is calling you out there but you have to decide if you stay or leave." He goes out and hears the siren's song of a deep life or something but he turns his back on it to lead a life of evil that eventually destroys him.

by Anonymousreply 71November 17, 2022 6:13 PM

My late mother, who was Mrs. Staunch Catholic, loved mob stories, mob music, etc. When this show started, they didn't have HBO, so I would tape the episode on VHS and drop it off at their house on my way to work. When I asked her how they liked it, she says, "I was EMBARRASSED to be SITTING THERE next to your FATHER!! Who TALKS like that?!!" Needless to say, Helen was not used to hearing the F bomb dropped every few minutes, much less the Bada Bing girls doing their thing. So I said, "Okay, I'll quit taping it then," and right away, she says, "Oh NO!! Keep taping it!" Of course they ended up watching the whole thing but every time I'd try to talk to her about it, she'd be like, "Oh - such LANGUAGE!" hahaha My father, of course, had no problem with it at all. They killed me.

by Anonymousreply 72November 17, 2022 7:05 PM

I hated the fever dreams of the Tony in a Coma episode the first time around but this time I really enjoyed them and could find deeper meanings. Goddamn I miss James Gandolfini

by Anonymousreply 73November 23, 2022 9:37 PM

R72, that story has cracked me up 3 times now

by Anonymousreply 74November 23, 2022 9:38 PM

I loved the FBI - the Soprano’s flooded basement, the faulty water heater, the lamp that Meadow took to college - all with “Every Breath You Take” throbbing in the background!

by Anonymousreply 75November 23, 2022 9:45 PM

r59 I still sometimes try to come up with what exactly they did with those Easter baskets.

by Anonymousreply 76November 23, 2022 9:51 PM

R66, that episode -- ...To Save Us All From Satan's Power -- is probably my favorite episode of the series.

Season 3 of this show was SO, so good.

by Anonymousreply 77November 23, 2022 9:52 PM

The Meadow and AJ actors were awful. Especially Meadow, because more was asked of her than sullen AJ.

by Anonymousreply 78November 23, 2022 9:58 PM

Eh they were good enough. There were some top notch actors involved. They held their own

by Anonymousreply 79November 24, 2022 1:42 AM

I didn’t finish the series (I know, I know) and The Pine Barrens is still a legendary episode to me.

by Anonymousreply 80November 24, 2022 1:44 AM

One of my favorite behind-the-scenes stories about this show: There was a scene in season 2 in which Tony was telling Melfi about sending Furio into a nail salon (I think?) to rough up a guy who owed money. While that was going on, Tony waited outside in the car, aware that the guy was being beaten up in there. Melfi asked him how that made him feel, and Tony said "I wished it was me in there." The episode's writer was reading the script aloud in the writers' room, and another writer on the staff cracked, "Giving the beating, or taking it?" David Chase liked that line so much that he gave it to Melfi, and it became the most memorable part of the scene.

by Anonymousreply 81November 24, 2022 1:57 AM

"Lake House" is one of my later-season favorite episodes. Tony, Carmela, Bobby, and Janice "relax" at the lake house for Tony's birthday. They get super-drunk, sing karaoke, and play Monopoly. Tony can't stop insulting Janice and he and Bobby come to blows. It's a knock-down, drag-out fight. Bobby wins and has to pay for it by doing his first hit.

by Anonymousreply 82November 24, 2022 2:35 AM

The plot with Carmella and Furio was out of nowhere. It had potential to be better, but the writers didn’t give them enough backstory. It also ended too soon.

by Anonymousreply 83November 24, 2022 2:39 AM

Who was the worst villain in the show? Richie? Livia? Ralphie? Phil Leotardo?

by Anonymousreply 84November 24, 2022 2:58 AM

That episode is "Soprano Home Movies," R82.

by Anonymousreply 85November 24, 2022 3:01 AM

Worst villain, IMO, Johnny Sack. Not really a villain, but a backstabber. Using the blabbermouth Paulie to gain insights into the NJ operations.

To me, Ralph Cifaretto wasn't even that bad. Crude, asshole, pervert? Yes.

Richie was obviously not going to last, with his attitude. So, he wasn't really fleshed-out like Johnny Sack was.

by Anonymousreply 86November 24, 2022 3:03 AM

[quote] It was a little frustrating how they just dropped plots.

Nah, having every plot tied up in a neat little bow is so teevee.

by Anonymousreply 87November 24, 2022 3:06 AM

Was I the only one who thought Svetlana was really ugly?

by Anonymousreply 88November 24, 2022 3:12 AM

[quote] The plot with Carmella and Furio was out of nowhere.

Actually, it made sense to me. Tony was constantly fucking around on Carmela.

Carmella was lonely and had had flirtations with Father Phil and then the Vic Musto guy (who did her wallpaper or some other home improvement project).

Furio was kind of a fish out of water, young for Carmela, but it still made sense.

I thought Season 4 was hilarious with all the Carmela and Furio scenes. "Want some coffee, Fur?"

by Anonymousreply 89November 24, 2022 3:17 AM

Show is on my watch wish list. Too bad Prime doesn't include it with their subscription service. I don't wish to pay per episode on top of paying the monthly service fee. That is bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 90November 24, 2022 3:45 AM

It was included with Amazon Prime for a while. Maybe they'll bring it back as "free" on Prime.

by Anonymousreply 91November 24, 2022 4:28 AM

[quote]To me, Ralph Cifaretto wasn't even that bad. Crude, asshole, pervert? Yes.

Well, there was the whole "killing Tracee the stripper by beating her to death" thing. That was one of the toughest scenes of the whole series.

by Anonymousreply 92November 24, 2022 4:51 AM

Sylvio manhandled Tracy, as well. Sylvio also killed Adriana. JMO, but the murder of Tracy was one of many murders. Frankly, I think the writers were surprised at the audience’s reaction to Tracy’s murder. Later, the writers had to walk it back a bit, making Tony all sad about Tracy. Again, JMO, but I don’t think Tony or any of the gang would’ve been that affected over Tracy getting killed.

by Anonymousreply 93November 24, 2022 5:09 AM

"Sentimental Education" in season 5 was one of the episodes written by Matthew Weiner, later of Mad Men fame. It's the episode in which AJ's teacher says to Carmela, "You strong-armed me using the only weapon you have: your pussy." That line was like a slap. I recalled it later in light of the allegations made against Weiner by women who worked on Mad Men. He's talented, but his work suggests he needs a whole storage bin for his issues with women.

by Anonymousreply 94November 24, 2022 5:35 AM

Wonder where Harpo's having his Thanksgiving dinner?

by Anonymousreply 95November 24, 2022 3:36 PM

🤣 I love you r95

by Anonymousreply 96November 24, 2022 3:49 PM

I'd argue, R94, that the line is supposed to feel like a slap. Carmela needed a substantial wake-up call about what her life will be like if she divorces Tony: None of the power and money she enjoys as Mrs. Tony Soprano, just unsatisfying relationships with middle-class douchebags. Nice guys like Vic Mustone will run a mile away from her. Later in the season, the first time she verbally articulates that she's going back to Tony is when she runs into Wegler at her son's school.

Of course, Carmela could still have made a life for herself away from Tony, but it would have been extremely hard. In the end, she preferred to put up with Tony's whoring and moodiness in exchange for material comfort.

by Anonymousreply 97November 24, 2022 6:02 PM

[quote]Wonder where Harpo's having his Thanksgiving dinner?

That was another aspect of the show I enjoyed: Tony & Janice constantly needling each other, saying downright cruel things & yet they have this loyalty to each other, maybe because they both survived having Livia as a mother. As actors, that had great chemistry.

by Anonymousreply 98November 24, 2022 6:15 PM

I’ve rewatched the whole series 3-4 times and I’m constantly surprised at how funny it is. That’s something Chase understood that other vaunted showrunners don’t seem to get: comedy helps underline the heaviest themes better than unremitting darkness.

by Anonymousreply 99November 24, 2022 6:29 PM

The pilot feel more like a film than the show. Between Tonys translation of events that would be appropriate for Dr. Melfi, to the 'real' story was relly funny, and Carmella getting out an AK on Meadow in front of the priest right out the gate made it start on such a good foot.

by Anonymousreply 100November 24, 2022 6:35 PM

It's a rainy night in Lyndhurst.

by Anonymousreply 101November 24, 2022 6:41 PM

[quote] That’s something Chase understood that other vaunted showrunners don’t seem to get: comedy helps underline the heaviest themes better than unremitting darkness.

I've heard / read David Chase say, a couple of times, that he wasn't sure whether Sopranos was a comedy or not. Point is, I don't think he necessarily thought of it as a drama.

But, yes, the Sopranos is funny as hell.

by Anonymousreply 102November 24, 2022 7:08 PM

Janice is like me this Thanksgiving. Don't help with the cooking or the cleaning up just sit swilling wine.

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by Anonymousreply 103November 24, 2022 7:25 PM

Was Christopher hawt? I thought he was hawt.

by Anonymousreply 104November 24, 2022 7:28 PM

Christopher is still hot but seems so damn pathetic. After re arching it I find Tony, Furio and Johnny Sac hotter

by Anonymousreply 105November 24, 2022 7:45 PM

[quote] Janice is like me this Thanksgiving. Don't help with the cooking or the cleaning up just sit swilling wine.

Janice wasn't known for her good cooking. But she had cooked dinner for Richie Aprile right before she shot and killed him.

by Anonymousreply 106November 25, 2022 2:34 AM

Everytime they ate pasta on that show, I wanted to reach in and take a bite. It looked delicious.

by Anonymousreply 107November 25, 2022 2:40 AM

I will never forget how totally shocked I was when Janice plugged Richie Aprile right in the forehead!!

by Anonymousreply 108November 25, 2022 3:27 AM

It was a funny show sometimes, but in the later seasons, they went overboard with the dumb-guys humor, specifically the malapropisms and mangled idioms. There were early ones that worked and were believable ("albacore around my neck"), and then the writers started straining to include some "hilarious" verbal gaffe in nearly every episode, as if it were part of the winning Sopranos formula. It got too sitcommy.

[quote]The pilot feel more like a film than the show.

Chase does say in the pilot commentary on the DVD that if they hadn't been able to sell the show, they were going to shoot some kind of ending and release it as a low-budget film. The "Mulholland Dr. strategy" before Mulholland Dr.

by Anonymousreply 109November 25, 2022 5:00 AM

The Little Carmine line: We’re at the precipice of a huge crossroads - that was a good line. That’s a badly mixed metaphor, though.

But agree that there were a few too many malapropisms.

by Anonymousreply 110November 25, 2022 5:48 AM

I wanted to be raped by the entire male cast. Yes I'm a whore.

by Anonymousreply 111November 25, 2022 6:00 AM

R111 you'd have been like that 'Born-Again Christian' secretary at Barone Sanitation.

Giddy up!

by Anonymousreply 112November 25, 2022 11:09 AM

James Gandolfini had incredible charisma. His looks were beyond ordinary, but he elevated his persona with his off the charts charisma.

by Anonymousreply 113November 25, 2022 3:32 PM

This is how you deliver a pie.

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by Anonymousreply 114November 25, 2022 3:40 PM

The writers tended to run out of steam with the female characters. Melfi seemed like an afterthought after the first season and Carmella had dead end story lines like her spec house. Marchand was terrible casting---having known many Italian-Americans of her generation, nothing rang true about her. Adriana, who was time limited but story advancing, was, on the other hand, incredible. Great casting and directing. She could have beenan awful stereotype, but instead was a tragic character whose death had real pathos. that was an accomplishment for a show where someone was wacked at least once a season.

by Anonymousreply 115November 25, 2022 3:46 PM

I'd put Melfi's "afterthought" period a little later. I found her interesting and vital for all of the first two seasons and up through season 3's "Employee of the Month." After that, the role had peaked. She was just still there because they wanted to keep Lorraine Bracco as part of the cast. Chase has even admitted that they didn't "need" Melfi as much in later seasons, because Tony's mind and the ways it worked were by now clear to the audience.

I wonder if Bracco ever regretted passing on Carmela. She had been offered that role first, but she felt it was too close to Karen Hill. She was more intrigued by the psychiatrist, and playing someone controlled and cerebral was a departure for her at that time.

Chase considered doing an episode in one of the later years that was nothing but a session between Tony and Melfi in real time, which might have been good. But he abandoned the idea and just used some of the writing they had already done on it for shorter scenes in various episodes.

by Anonymousreply 116November 25, 2022 3:56 PM

R115 I disagree completely. I think the female characters story arcs were really done in spite of not being apart of the main focus point of the show, the mob. Tony's side pieces were even excellently written.

by Anonymousreply 117November 25, 2022 4:39 PM

Long Term Parking, Pine Barrens, the season 4 finale, the episode where Chris shoots his screenwriter friend, and Home videos are amongst my favorite.

by Anonymousreply 118November 25, 2022 4:42 PM

Marchand was iconic. She didn't have to be like the Italian women you knew in person, R115. She *was* Livia Soprano.

by Anonymousreply 119November 25, 2022 5:42 PM

One of my favorite supporting characters was Artie Bucco. A friend of Tony's since high school, but never got drawn into the life, possibly due to the strong woman he married, Charmaine, who wanted absolutely no favors from Tony or anyone else connected, and who had a little bit of history with Tony, but soundly rebuffed him when he tried to approach her.

I liked the story line of Artie's ill fated crush on Adriana, when he got his ear pierced and showed up at her nightclub. And the night he whipped up the rabbit dinner for everyone when there was a power outage.

by Anonymousreply 120November 25, 2022 6:59 PM

Yes! Loved the Artie Bucco character and actor - so funny. He was one of David Chase's favorites.

That was a good episode, when Artie "invested" in Armagnac (brandy), borrowed money from Tony, and got his ass kicked by the French guy.

Artie was one of the few characters who talked to Tony any way he (Artie) wanted to talk. That was because they knew each other from way back. But, then again, a lot of them knew each other from way back and they still kissed Tony's ass.

by Anonymousreply 121November 25, 2022 7:07 PM

I liked the feud between Artie and Benny (played by Max Casella). I always felt Max was doing his best Joe Pesci impersonation as Benny.

by Anonymousreply 122November 25, 2022 7:54 PM

I'm on the Vito and Johnnycakes episodes now. Thank God for the subplots and that Johnnycakes is hot.

by Anonymousreply 123November 25, 2022 8:07 PM

R121 Artie had great timing with his suicide attempt and Tony finding out about Gloria hanging herself. Any other time and he'd have been another Davey Scotino.

by Anonymousreply 124November 25, 2022 9:03 PM

Mikey Palmice was one of my favorite characters but was killed off early.

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by Anonymousreply 125November 25, 2022 11:18 PM

The Johnny cakes episodes were odd. I enjoyed them and liked seeing some gay characters but I kept wondering why he’d want to date a guy who looked like Vito. Must be slim pickings in small town Vermont for gays.

by Anonymousreply 126November 26, 2022 4:10 AM
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