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Southern Baptist men: tell me about them

The few I've known (well, the ones who were raised Southern Baptist, none of them practiced as adults) all exuded a noticeable ... confidence? Arrogance? Entitlement? I can't really put my finger on it, but it was common to them all.

In your experience, is this a Southern Baptist thing? I haven't picked up the same vibe from current/former Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, or other mainstream denominations.

(Mormon men are a whole other thread.)

by Anonymousreply 142December 3, 2022 1:05 AM

Small minded

by Anonymousreply 1November 10, 2022 11:56 PM

Can anyone explain the difference between Houston First Baptist and Second Baptist churches? I assume they are both trash, but I can't figure it out, and it's driving me crazy.

by Anonymousreply 2November 11, 2022 12:00 AM

Polite and gentlemanly, until you threaten their sense of entitlement or privilege, or fail to match their dedication to "our way of life", Then, they turn vicious.

by Anonymousreply 3November 11, 2022 12:11 AM

Interesting, r3. I saw that feature in two of the ones I've known

by Anonymousreply 4November 11, 2022 12:25 AM

I shun the like lepers.

by Anonymousreply 5November 11, 2022 12:44 AM

Why r5?

by Anonymousreply 6November 11, 2022 12:49 AM

I think a very strong case could be made that the Southern Baptist church has played a big role in holding back the South's progress since the Civil War.

by Anonymousreply 7November 11, 2022 12:56 AM

Interesting theory, r7

I know nothing about the history of the Southern Baptists

by Anonymousreply 8November 11, 2022 1:09 AM

White trash trying to act like they're middle class and as sophisticated as people can be (they frequently have the biggest churches, certainly the largest flocks, so they feel like they're the ruling class in many towns and even cities in the Deep South).

Even there, other denominations that are less white trash (Methodist, Presbyterian of the South) and some that aren't trashy at all (Presbyterian USA and especially the vaunted Episcopal Church - the "old money" and ex-plantation owners, etc.) look down on Baptists like they're Untouchables, but Baptists are so stupid they don't realize this (or so defensive they won't admit it).

Anyway, combine ignorant and arrogant and you've got most of it figure out -- the "Deplorables" in a nutshell.

Oh and to show how cool they are, their biggest churches have bowling alleys, food courts, all manner of clubs for different age groups, marriage therapy classes, they're little micro-villages, replacing the failing mall culture.

by Anonymousreply 9November 11, 2022 1:15 AM

Also - recreational sports teams, men's monthy breakfasts, weekly luncheons for the elderly... I can't even remember all the shit. I never went but live down here and know a lot of people who do go, and for many, it's their entire social life. Sometimes I'm jealous of that part. You just sign on the dotted line, they hug you and applaud you as a new member at the weekly potluck, and voila, you've got a huge extended family (as long as you do as everybody else does, especially politically - Republican of course)

by Anonymousreply 10November 11, 2022 1:18 AM

Baptists, aside from looking down on the unsaved and the "worldly" denominations mentioned above, also frown upon Pentecostals and Charismatics, because the tacky, unseemly "gift of tongues" was only for the early church.

by Anonymousreply 11November 11, 2022 1:24 AM

Correction to R9 - it's "Presbyterian Church in America" (not of the South) but it IS of the south. It split from the national Presbyterians over Civil Rights. Presbyterian USA is a liberal mainline church - PCA is a fundamentalist southern church founded on segregation.

It's still a step about Southern Baptist, socially.

There aren't enough Lutherans, LDS, Congregationalists, Quakers, etc., to really matter. The reason Baptists and Methodists (to a lesser extent) "rule" the south is they were the only churches who assigned itinerant preachers to come down in the 1800s and early 1900s when the population was too sparse to hire regular preachers and provide for them, etc., so anyway, the vast majority of people (other than the wealthy) belonged to one of those.

Eventually, littler churches of a similar bent sprang up - Jehovahs Witnesses, Pentecostal, that sort, who do fit the Zeitgeist very well down here.

by Anonymousreply 12November 11, 2022 1:24 AM

* a step above Southern Baptist

And I apologize for spamming the thread and even avoiding the real question. Southern Baptist men are yokels, gun loving, grandma on Sundays, get drunk on Saturday and screw around after a honky tonk visit, type. It's hard to be gay but some persevere, the brainwashing is so strong. They're looked down on and try to be extra people-pleasing to make up for it - and of course, are often closeted but everybody mildly rolls their eyes. They often lead the choir or organize the alternative Halloween festival (the "fall festival") so they're tolerated.

Very sweet - but so deluded. Sad.

by Anonymousreply 13November 11, 2022 1:29 AM

There was this son of a preacher man...

by Anonymousreply 14November 11, 2022 1:30 AM

I wish someone with r13's breadth of knowledge about white trash Protestants would show up and answer my question.

by Anonymousreply 15November 11, 2022 1:31 AM

There was a Southern Baptist guy on my dorm floor in the 70s. He was from a very rural part of the state. He wore denim overalls over a white tee shirt and a cowboy hat most every day. Drinking, smoking (anything), sexual activity and doing drugs were sins in his religious views. He reminded us of it all the time.

When I saw him in the shower for the first time, I was shocked. He had a muscular chest; a long, thick cock; a dense mass of light brown hair around it, and heavy hanging balls. We carried on a conversation while we showered. I tried desperately to keep my cock pointing downward; I had to cut my time under the water short and grabbed my towel. At one point, his face looked up, his hands were shampooing his hair, and the water shimmered down him.

On the weekends, he didn't wear a shirt under his overalls; the clips connecting to the bib were a little low, and his nipples buds would get caught in them. It looked painful; I couldn't imagine those clips rubbing on my nipples all day. But looking at them turned me on.

I would have offered to put my hands and mouth all over him, but I feared he would burn me at the stake.

Now I wonder if the nipple-play was meant to draw us gay folk in. Maybe he was advertising he wanted a blow job. What if I had responded? Believe me, I wanted to.

by Anonymousreply 16November 11, 2022 1:34 AM

The man's man, anti-gay, runs deep -- but if it gives you any hope, Southern Baptists and similar low-rung Protestants have the highest divorce rates of any grouping (especially atheists, who have the lowest rate.)

They have drinking and opioid problems way above average - probably more abortions but I'm not sure how that's playing out with access so limited (I know of several who took vacations in order not to be found out when they had their abortions in other states)

Whenever you tell people that something's contraban, it adds to the excitement of doing it -- which goes back even to the moonshine stills of the 1920s (think the Clampetts and the govt agents coming to shut them down).

They're wild as hell on a Saturday night -- and there in the church being as hypocritical as, well, Donald Trump, on Sundays. But he's cynical about it. They still believe they're God's special children who have been saved by their baptism and personal relationship with Jesus and he'll forgive them (think Jimmy Swaggert crying on tv to his arena after being found with multiple prostitute - I believe trannies? - cocaine, etc. and this was the 1970s).

And of course, all was forgiven and he was still much beloved. See also the PTL club fraudsters, Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker - and Oral Roberts saying that if his followers didn't send him $1 million that Jesus would kill him, I guess reflecting the Abraham/Isaac story -- if you want a taste of it, watch The Night of the Hunter or Elmer Gantry. I'm always shocked when I see a photo of the pastor of one of these mega-churches who's dressed like Elvis and wearing diamonds and a Rolex watch.

Americana at its worst.

by Anonymousreply 17November 11, 2022 2:08 AM

Most of them are premature ejaculator’s. That’s what happens when you don’t get it enough.

by Anonymousreply 18November 11, 2022 2:18 AM

My Alabama ancestors were proud members of the "Primitive Baptist" church. Can't imagine what that's like.

by Anonymousreply 19November 11, 2022 2:59 AM

My sister-in-law in Meadville, Mississippi, proudly belongs to the Meadville Mississippi Primitive Baptist Church, were she raised her children.

One is a diagnosed schizophrenic on disability payments for life (she herself has a bipolar diagnosis - well deserved - she spent time in the State hospital for the insane, but the son is suspect). Another son is still living with her at 40-something and his only job that I know of was going to Russia as a missionary and to teach English.

For a while, she did a vlog pitching conspiracy theories - she's an anti-vaxxer and caught a bad case, now has to take oxygen with her wherever she goes.

These are the Evangelicals, people. They be crazy, lazy and self-indulgent. But if you want a wild night out - they might be your guy.

by Anonymousreply 20November 11, 2022 3:07 AM

First, the extremists took over the SBC and then, the Republican party. Theocrats drove all reasonable parishioners and leaders out in a hostile takeover.

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by Anonymousreply 21November 11, 2022 8:15 AM

Taking over the South

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by Anonymousreply 22November 11, 2022 8:16 AM

Great thread. Thanks everyone!

by Anonymousreply 23November 11, 2022 9:11 AM

I think the entitlement of Southern Baptist men is what sets them apart.

by Anonymousreply 24November 11, 2022 10:37 AM

Often as not they are led around by the proverbial rings in their noses by their overfed, dumpy wives.

by Anonymousreply 25November 11, 2022 10:42 AM

I was raped by my pastor when I was eight years old. There was a ring of sexual predators in the church.

Southern Baptist values.

by Anonymousreply 26November 11, 2022 11:20 AM

I'm sorry, r26, they are monsters. I hope you've been able to heal.

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by Anonymousreply 27November 11, 2022 11:22 AM

If you need it, rainn can help, r26.

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by Anonymousreply 28November 11, 2022 11:34 AM

Southern Baptists are taught that people possessing wealth and material fortune are in God’s favor and have been blessed by Him. Those who are poor, unemployed or suffer misfortune have the devil in them and, if only they’d accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior, things would change for them.

This is why you often hear a Southern Baptist say, “I’m blessed!”, especially when talking about things other people would consider outside of their control.

The downside to the “I’m blessed!”, belief system is that when a Southern Baptist loses their job due to corporate layoffs, their home due to lack of income, are a crime victim or a disaster (tornado/hurricane) victim they believe it is because they have allowed Satan into their hearts. Nevermind that a corporate number cruncher in LA decides to reduce the workforce in Decatur and your job is eliminated. No, it is because that guy in Decatur had Satan in his heart.

This also results in the Southern Baptists who experience a change in their fortunes from being shunned by the other members of the flock. No one wants to associate with Satan so they ostracize them and go so far as to cross to the other side of the street when they see them.

Just remember this when you hear a Southerner say, “I’m blessed!”. It is code for something else.

by Anonymousreply 29November 11, 2022 11:42 AM

Del Shore’s Southern Baptist Sissies is fun. There are free ways to watch it. Was on Tubi. Obviously the music has an emotional pull.

They are the respectable fundamentalist church in the South. Lower middle class to middle class, even some upper class in big cities in Texas. They are not independent Baptist churches which is real trashy, or charismatic like the Pentecostals, which is not respectable. They are not the minor white Baptist denominations like Primitive Baptist, Hardshell Baptist or Missionary Baptist. They are not the large Black Baptist denominations as African Americans tend to shy away from this church born to support slavery during the Civil War. They are the largest single Protestant denomination in the US, only the Catholic Church is bigger among Christians. They are the largest denomination in the South with the exception of West Virginia where those tiny in the hollows independent Baptists dominate.

They used to be Arminian, which meant they believed in free will but the last 20 years has witnessed A stealth takeover of the denomination by a conservative type of Calvinism. The Arminians, think Billy Graham, are a minority in the denomination now or have become independent Baptists.

Baptists in any form really dominate the South tho.

by Anonymousreply 30November 11, 2022 11:51 AM

Very informative; thanks r30

by Anonymousreply 31November 11, 2022 11:58 AM

This thread has been very enlightening. Many thanks to the primary poster for objective info and insights.

by Anonymousreply 32November 11, 2022 12:47 PM

I've been to Georgia and California

I took the hand of a preacher man

And we made love in the sun...

But I've never been to me...

by Anonymousreply 33November 11, 2022 12:55 PM

Let’s cut to the chase: Just Fork Over Your Goddamn Money

by Anonymousreply 34November 11, 2022 12:59 PM

"God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew." - Southern Baptist Convention President Bailey Smith, 1980.

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by Anonymousreply 35November 11, 2022 4:03 PM

I avoid overtly religious people. Do you live in the bible belt, OP? My condolences if so.

by Anonymousreply 36November 11, 2022 4:24 PM

I worked with the Baptist guy years ago and he told his Catholic subordinate that she was not going to heaven, being Catholic.

These days, that would be grounds for dismissal. But this was so long ago you could smoke at the office at your desk.

by Anonymousreply 37November 11, 2022 4:26 PM

R29 nicely details the sheer evilness of most christians. They completely corrupt Jesus's message of "Love thy neighbor" and "help the poor."

by Anonymousreply 38November 11, 2022 4:30 PM

They're all so damned sure Jeebus is gonna save them . . . smug assholes.

by Anonymousreply 39November 11, 2022 4:35 PM

The men are very entitled, social- climbing and believe that God's blessing is the form of prosperity. They worship men with power whether it's a rich athlete or Trump. Pentecostal, Charismatic and Evangelical churches are all spin-offs of Baptist churches and more-or-less Baptist churches have taken on Pentecostal and Evangelical elements as well. There's a lot of superstition as well like belief in magic, curses, possessions, angels and demons walking amongst us. This could be more related to the fact the South is more rural. They also believe women as property, the women are raised to internalize the idea of "ride or die". A lot of that denomination's influence is pervasive throughout Southern and Black culture and you see this in country and rap music. And white Southern men and Black man have this whole DL culture and that's why HIV is so big in the South.

by Anonymousreply 40November 11, 2022 4:58 PM

I would run screaming from any gay man who regularly attends a church that denies gay people their rights.

by Anonymousreply 41November 11, 2022 5:02 PM

Something that is not discussed anymore is that any number of churches taught that black people have no 'souls'. (well, at least they got one thing right)- and that is why their skin is dark. I heard this a lot in the sixties, even into the early seventies, until it wasn't too fashionable to say that out loud anymore.

This also justified slavery- they had no 'soul', so nobody cared what happened to them.

by Anonymousreply 42November 11, 2022 5:06 PM

I grew up Southern Baptist in Texas. There are some very kind, although maybe narrow minded, people.

I do admire the true believers genuine love of the Lord. They read their Bible, and care about people sinning. They talk to people out of love of the gospel and not hate. However, a vast majority go to church on Sunday to "check off the box."

There are a few anon accounts on Twitter who are discreet Baptist pastors. On twitter they are immoral as hell. While kinky, I feel bad for their congregation.

by Anonymousreply 43November 11, 2022 5:27 PM

How do you know about the Twitter accounts, r43?

by Anonymousreply 44November 11, 2022 5:31 PM

Black Baptist churches do have a long history of Civil Rights activism like during the era of Adam Clayton Powell and MLK but today they are useless and hold Black people back now in my opinion especially Black women. So many of these preachers are homophobic and misogynistic and total scammers like TD Jakes and Creflo Dollar that pushed prosperity gospel nonsense and many of these preachers are on the DL. I remember on Aazah (a black gay website) when they posted pics and vids of black preachers and choir boys sucking dick after doxxing.

by Anonymousreply 45November 11, 2022 5:47 PM

Slain in the Spirit, washed in the blood of the Lamb.

You can throw up now.

by Anonymousreply 46November 11, 2022 5:50 PM

Messy bottoms.

by Anonymousreply 47November 11, 2022 6:07 PM

[quote] I do admire the true believers genuine love of the Lord. They read their Bible, and care about people sinning.

Really? They sound like a bunch of hypocrite busybodies to me.

by Anonymousreply 48November 11, 2022 6:09 PM

R44 The proof is in the pudding

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by Anonymousreply 49November 11, 2022 6:14 PM

r43, they're kind to you, perhaps, and people they identify as "one of them" but they cut your throat from behind when you slightly deviate from the herd. They'll help a black guy broken down on the side of the road (maybe) but will get back in their truck, call him a "stupid n," and vote for politicians who blatantly take away his rights and humanity. So kind.

Guess how I know.

by Anonymousreply 50November 11, 2022 6:14 PM

Southern white Baptists have always been racist. The Southern Baptist Convention was a coalition of white Baptists churches in the South/lower Midwest that wanted to maintain the institution of slavery and thus separated from associating with the churches that opposed it. White Baptist preachers used their pulpits to support slavery. After Emancipation, white Baptist churches became a hub for the KKK, Daughters of the Confederacy and whitecapping and preachers would even help organize lynch mobs. Black Baptists and liberal white Northern Baptists had formed their own coalitions but Southern Baptist Convention remains a very powerful influence on Southern politics and abets the GOP.

by Anonymousreply 51November 11, 2022 7:55 PM

R43 is blocked. What a ridiculous set of statements to make on a gay website.

by Anonymousreply 52November 11, 2022 8:28 PM

[quote]My Alabama ancestors were proud members of the "Primitive Baptist" church. Can't imagine what that's like.

Primitive Baptists have a feets fetish.

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by Anonymousreply 53November 11, 2022 10:06 PM

R50 that's exactly the same with Jehovah's Witnesses too.

by Anonymousreply 54November 11, 2022 10:13 PM

I was raised Catholic in the South and am what DL and Southerners consider "white adjacent." They don't really believe Catholics are Christian, even today.

by Anonymousreply 55November 11, 2022 10:22 PM

Yeah outside of Louisiana, Texas, Florida and Maryland (if you consider those latter three the South), you're basically an ethnic minority if you're Catholic. To those in the Northeast and West Coast that's a bizarre concept but the South is the only region where the white population remained predominately of Anglo/German/Scot-Irish extraction outside of the major cities.

by Anonymousreply 56November 11, 2022 10:26 PM

Catholics and Jews in the Deep South deserve their own thread - it's enough to say they were second-line targets of the KKK.

by Anonymousreply 57November 11, 2022 10:46 PM

r56, I'd make a distinction in the case of Louisiana and Texas. North Louisiana and East Texas are just like Mississippi. South Louisiana and the rest of Texas are very different from the Deep South.

by Anonymousreply 58November 11, 2022 10:47 PM

Do you consider Houston East Texas r58?

by Anonymousreply 59November 11, 2022 10:49 PM

R58 I agree. South Louisiana is more like the Caribbean and the rest of Texas is more similar to the Southwest and Northern Mexico. But what's fascinating is East Texas does have a lot of Southern LA influence due to Cajun and Creole migrations to towns like Houston and Port Arthur. I would argue Far East TX, Southern LA and Southern Mississippi have a unique Creole culture of the Gulf Coast. Most of Texas got settled by Appalachian whites I believe and the state gradually become more akin to Northern Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee.

by Anonymousreply 60November 11, 2022 10:51 PM

Southern Louisiana (and to an extent, even the coastline of Mississippi and the Alabama city Mobile, which held the first American "Mardi Gras" I believe, have a significant Catholic population - and also have a distinctly different culture than the true "Deep South" just above them. The accent is even remarkably different. A mono-culture of its own, even with its own cuisine - spicy Creole/Cajun.

by Anonymousreply 61November 11, 2022 10:51 PM

And it's own music r61!

by Anonymousreply 62November 11, 2022 10:54 PM

I live in Houston, r59. It's on the border, I think. East of Houston is like East Texas. I'm also the one who asked about the Houston First and Second Baptist churches. They are in the same general part of town, a very wealthy area. I can only assume they hate each other, and I'd love to know the reasons.

by Anonymousreply 63November 11, 2022 10:55 PM

And New Orleans had its own separate music - 1890s black "hot bands" developing into Jazz combining with Mississippi blues to further evolve into rock and roll. Interesting place, compared to Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams, Tammy Wynette Scots-Irish derived country music.

With Faulkner, Welty, Tennessee Williams, Walker Percy, Flannery O'Connor - the southern "grotesque" was vividly captured in literature. Odd, haunted, much reviled and shameful (hatred of Afrian-Americans) region.

But why is it echoed in some ways in the Midwest or could hardly boast a black face to be seen in a crowd? And I believe the KKK was started in Indiana. Honestly, we're as creepy as Russia. Maybe creepier, in historical terms.

by Anonymousreply 64November 11, 2022 10:57 PM

*the Midwest WHICH could hardly boast a black face...

by Anonymousreply 65November 11, 2022 10:58 PM

I believe the lower Midwestern states like Illinois, Missouri, Indiana and Ohio were Southern influenced and had slavery (think Huck Finn) or forms of it, they definitely have a large free black population as well. That region always gets neglected for its racism, there absolutely was the KKK, lynch mobs, sundown towns and that is where also minstrel shows became popular and employed many German, Irish, Nordic and Polish immigrants as performers.

by Anonymousreply 66November 11, 2022 11:02 PM

Thank you, R66. A friend of mine from Iowa is surprised at how Trumpian it is, especially without an African-American or Mexican to be seen, at least when she was growing up - but the racism and ethnocentrism was still very strong.

Racism is a powerful thing, sadly. I mean, the KKK with their extreme hatred of Jews when there were hardly ANY in the entire region.

by Anonymousreply 67November 11, 2022 11:49 PM

White Southerners are used enough to Black people to interact smoothly with them even if they have racist feelings. It's odd to explain but there's some type of emotional codependency that Southern whites have on Black people that dated back to slavery where white children were raised by Black mammies and white slaveowners used Black female slaves for emotional support. The book Kindred by Octavia Butler explains that very toxic relationship that borders on love and hate.

by Anonymousreply 68November 11, 2022 11:52 PM

[quote] That region always gets neglected for its racism,

The Mountain States (ID, WY, MT) do as well. Lily-white, and the largest minority are Native Americans (on reservations).

by Anonymousreply 69November 11, 2022 11:53 PM

Northern, Midwestern and Western anti-black racism is more rooted in xenophobia and fear of competition, the WASPs saw Black people as a threat to their way of life and they already disliked how many free people of color had flourishing communities while the working-class Germans Irish, Italian, Scandinavians, Jews and Polish immigrants saw Black people as competition for jobs and dislike having to live in the same neighborhoods as Black people. Northern WASPS were Abolitionists but wanted to ship Blacks back to Africa. Also there was anti-Southern sentiment and most Black people who came to the North, Midwest and West were Southerners, many of the light-skinned Black elite like WEB DuBois looked down on darker-skinned Southern Blacks too. A lot of stereotypes of Black people are the exact same as poor white Southerners if get down to it. Racist MAGAT Northerners and Midwesterners in fact still say "GO BACK TO AFRICA!"

Traditional Southern racism is paternalistic and rooted in the idea that Blacks are intellectually inferior and destined to be a domestic underclass. White Southerners did not support "Back to Africa" movement and the Lost Cause romanticism of the Antebellum era involved showing happy, smiling slaves, mammies, pickaninnies and such was designed to evoke nostalgia. Zora Neale Hurston, Toni Morrison and Alice Walker who written about Black people in the South during the Jim Crow capture the complex relationship they had with white people. White Southerners see Black people as plain ol' Americans just like them. Xenophobia towards Hispanics, Indians and Arabs is strong and even Black Southerners are xenophobic.

by Anonymousreply 70November 12, 2022 12:25 AM

I went to a Southern Baptist church with my college roommate one year, A nice-looking man was baptized in a four-foot-tall tank of water. He was wearing a shirt and tie and nice pants. He and the pastor, also dressed in shirt and tie, stepped into the tank and the water was halfway up both men's abs. He was pushed back until he was totally under the water. When he was lifted up, his nipples were showing through his shirt; they were nice quarter-sized nipples I wanted to touch. They were distracting. I was worried the tie's color would bleed onto his shirt.

He and the pastor came out of the tank. If I were the pastor, I would have dipped completely under the water myself. He looked ridiculous with his top half dry and his lower half soaked.

by Anonymousreply 71November 12, 2022 2:23 AM

So with the Southern Baptists, you have old Southern mentality, Republican rhetoric, protestantism, and Anglo-Saxon ethnic impulses that make a strange cultural identity goop. They're not the most rational, they're not creative at all, they have an anti-intellectual mindset. Good at being punctual, consistent, efficient, hard working, frugal and friendly*. Do not waste your time debating them, especially if they see you as an outsider. They will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to jump to whichever conclusion is most convenient to the particular individual. Just more complicated than they are portrayed in media, and you'd find they consist of a lot of contradictions. Now that I live in the North, people lack a certain warmth yet they don't seem to pay much attention to how I look or who I'm associating with. I met my first Jews when I went to college, and I was so impressed with how ambitious, creative and intelligent the girls were. Complete 180 degree shift from the girls I was raised with.

by Anonymousreply 72November 12, 2022 3:04 AM

What's the difference between American Baptist and Southern Baptist, someone please!

by Anonymousreply 73November 12, 2022 5:14 AM

R73 The slave issue caused a schism. If I recall, the Baptists placed restrictions, so the south broke away from the American Baptists and created their own denom. There are major cultural and ideological differences between the southeast and the rest of the country, so that's probably where most of the differences are.

by Anonymousreply 74November 12, 2022 5:31 AM

The Southern Baptist Convention is the largest protestant religious organization in the US. It's an association rather than a strict church structure like Catholicism.

You can see the wide variety of names that fall under the SBC here: churches.sbc.net/

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by Anonymousreply 75November 12, 2022 5:35 AM

From the Pew article at r75 (more at link):

1. The Southern Baptist Convention is the biggest Protestant denomination in the United States, accounting for 5.3% of the U.S. adult population, according to Pew Research Center’s 2014 Religious Landscape Study. America’s second-largest Protestant group, the mainline United Methodist Church, accounts for 3.6% of U.S. adults. Southern Baptists make up about a fifth of all U.S. evangelical Protestants (21%).

2. The total number of Southern Baptists in the U.S. – and their share of the population – is falling. When the first Religious Landscape Study was conducted in 2007, Southern Baptists accounted for 6.7% of the U.S. adult population (compared with 5.3% in 2014). And according to the SBC’s official membership tally, there were 14.8 million members of all ages in 2018, down about 1% from a year ago – part of a longer pattern of decline.

3. The Southern Baptist Convention is not a centralized church like the Roman Catholic Church, but a fellowship of congregations. Together, these congregations teach that the Bible contains no errors and that personal acceptance of Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Southern Baptists also practice baptism by immersion in water. As of 2018, there were 47,456 Southern Baptist churches spread across 41 state conventions, according to the denomination. But Southern Baptists remain heavily concentrated in the South: SBC figures show that 81% of its members live in the region, including about 2.7 million in Texas and more than a million each in Georgia and North Carolina.

4. The vast majority of Southern Baptists are white (85%), with few black members (6%) and even fewer Latinos (3%), according to the 2014 Religious Landscape Study. Although the denomination is more racially and ethnically diverse than the largest mainline Methodist or Lutheran churches (both are more than 90% white), it is less diverse than the rest of the evangelical Protestant tradition (73% white, 6% black, 13% Latino) and U.S. Protestants overall (69% white, 18% black, 8% Latino).

by Anonymousreply 76November 12, 2022 5:41 AM

I think of Southern Baptist men as always white and then subdivided into three groups.

1. Hawt young Scots Irish types with blond or red hair. Thin or jacked. Willing for a little same sex action on the downlow especially when drinking. They say "I'm nutting" when cumming. Yummers!

2. Fat Billy Bob types who no on cares about. They are usually good hardworking boys and hen pecked by their wives. Ages 18 to 50s.

3. Old jowly types who look like Big Daddy in Cat or worse. They are very religious as they are coming near the end of their lives.

by Anonymousreply 77November 12, 2022 9:08 AM

Thanks r74! Slavery was the divisive issue... stunned. How could there be two opinions about such a heinous practice?

by Anonymousreply 78November 12, 2022 9:11 AM

This thread is most informative.

Actually, threads like these are why I can't quit the DL

by Anonymousreply 79November 12, 2022 9:15 AM

R78 - ask the otherwise brilliant founding fathers? May have something to do with money.

by Anonymousreply 80November 12, 2022 9:23 AM

This is only tangentially related to this thread, but I recently learned about "segregation academies," many of which seem to still be almost all white:

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by Anonymousreply 81November 12, 2022 4:19 PM

R81 - that was interesting, I never knew about these.

by Anonymousreply 82November 12, 2022 4:33 PM

r82 I fell down a rabbit hole yesterday. Look at the high school graduating classes from this Mississippi school district in 2020. The former segregation academies are very apparent.

Why would anyone want to be affiliated with these places and their terrible legacy?? (Yes, I know, it's Mississippi, but still.)

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by Anonymousreply 83November 12, 2022 4:49 PM

RE: r83, look at "Heritage Academy"

Per Wiki, a bunch of these schools are in Mississippi

by Anonymousreply 84November 12, 2022 4:56 PM

R73, This difference is that an American Baptist will speak when they see you in the liquor store.

by Anonymousreply 85November 12, 2022 5:22 PM

Are Southern Baptists teetotalers?

by Anonymousreply 86November 12, 2022 5:24 PM

Small dicks, big sloppy bellies, bad breath, tiny hippocampus!

by Anonymousreply 87November 12, 2022 5:29 PM

Cut or uncut?

by Anonymousreply 88November 12, 2022 5:34 PM

No, R86. They've always been famous for drinking and lying about it, when necessary. But even that's changing, even among the Southern Baptist Convention goers. From a "Baptist Press" article:

"Following the 2016 SBC annual meeting in St. Louis, a convention goer wrote a blog post titled “Why Baptists Drink but Might Not Want You to Know It.” In the post, she recounted her attendance at a lunchtime panel discussion during the convention, at which a well-known Southern Baptist pastor referenced his alcohol use. The blogger said she also “has grown to enjoy a glass of wine now and then.”

Lenow’s conclusion: “I believe we are seeing a change from total abstinence to a trend of acceptance of alcohol among Southern Baptists. The emphasis has moved from warnings about alcohol to highlighting Christian freedom.”

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by Anonymousreply 89November 12, 2022 5:37 PM

Many Baptists, Southern or otherwise, are what's known as "kitchen drinkers".

That means they keep a discreet bottle of something (whiskey, bourbon) tucked away under the sink for a nip now and then. If they like you, and know you real well, and trust you, they might offer you a nip too.

Only drank standing up over the sink tho.

by Anonymousreply 90November 12, 2022 5:55 PM

Do Southern Baptists have a distinctive or different ethnic background?

by Anonymousreply 91November 12, 2022 9:29 PM

I always assumed Scotch-Irish r91

by Anonymousreply 92November 12, 2022 10:07 PM

Scotch Irish (Scottish), English, Irish, Welsh and German actually. Germans and Irish were in The South since the early 1800s and plenty converted to Protestantism during Great Awakening.

Southern WASP types tended to be Methodist or Presbyterian.

by Anonymousreply 93November 13, 2022 12:42 AM

It's interesting ... I guess there is a way that Southern Baptists reinforce the already existing entitlement inherent in being a straight, white male in the United States.

by Anonymousreply 94November 13, 2022 10:29 AM

R93, I think most Irish in the South, usually upland South, were descendants of Ulster Scots Irish. They came here and Protestant. Very anti-Catholic. The Germans were Protestant too, often German Reformed.

by Anonymousreply 95November 13, 2022 10:33 AM

Good with cigars

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by Anonymousreply 96November 13, 2022 10:38 AM

Funny you bring up Clinton, r96. To my mind, he embodies the "typical Baptist male" qualities I mentioned at OP.

Compare him to George W. Bush, and (to my mind) the differences become clear. Bush is arrogant and problematic, but, being raised Episcopalian, he doesn't have the mark of Baptist entitlement.

by Anonymousreply 97November 13, 2022 10:44 AM

But, on the other hand, Jimmy Carter (whose Baptist roots are deep) is NOT the typical Baptist male. He demonstrates a humility that many of them don't.

by Anonymousreply 98November 13, 2022 10:46 AM

I think because Jimmy believes it's important to be 'Christ-like' and not just 'Christian'

by Anonymousreply 99November 13, 2022 12:27 PM

Complete aside, r99, but it will be a sad day for me -- and the United States -- when Carter finally kicks the bucket

by Anonymousreply 100November 13, 2022 12:37 PM

I grew up in a small town in north Mississippi. We went to and lived almost next door to the Baptist church, and my dad was even a deacon. We went up until I was about 11 or 12..I don’t remember what happened, but there was some sort of falling out an we quit going, which was GREAT for me—I hated it and had already gotten in trouble for asking too many questions. More time to listen to Casey Kasem’s Top 40 countdown! I also went to a “segregation academy.” It is not on that list at r83, but we definitely played against some of them at sports. I left that whole area at 18 and would never move back. I did drive through my old school not long ago, and it’s HUGE now, and I think still 98% white.

by Anonymousreply 101November 13, 2022 1:21 PM

Fascinating, r101. I grew up in suburban Ohio and have lived in the Southwest and New England. Although I've traveled through it (not really in a meaningful way), the Deep South remains a mystery to me in many ways.

by Anonymousreply 102November 13, 2022 1:56 PM

Well, OP, they're Southern and Baptist.

by Anonymousreply 103November 13, 2022 2:10 PM

Thanks Rose / r103

by Anonymousreply 104November 13, 2022 2:12 PM

They seem like bossy bottoms

by Anonymousreply 105November 13, 2022 7:49 PM

Baptists are NOT anti-intellectual!

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by Anonymousreply 106November 13, 2022 9:08 PM

Agape Baptist Church = same shit, different wrapper.

by Anonymousreply 107November 13, 2022 10:15 PM

R106 reminds me of a certain person's misunderstanding of "archetype." An "intellectual" is not simply someone educated in readin' writin' and rithmetic nor someone trained because "Supporting the tradition of all persons having the responsibility to proclaim the gospel, regardless of their level of education, does not conflict with the belief that education hones and builds up the gifts for ministry and life that God bestows."

It means thinking, questioning, studying history, the Enlightenment, philosophy, well, all manner of things that make someone sophisticated and not a fucking Baptist rube who takes their "responsibility to proclaim the gospel" literally.

by Anonymousreply 108November 13, 2022 11:41 PM

You can be intellectual and Christian but you likely aren't into dogma, literal interpretation or attending services weekly. Intellectual Christians are more likely to be liberal and supportive of questioning and debating. They wouldn't be considered religious by the strict definition either. To most Baptists that is all seen as heresy and not true Christianity.

by Anonymousreply 109November 13, 2022 11:59 PM

Baptists believe the Bible in the unerring Word of God.

by Anonymousreply 110November 14, 2022 12:21 AM

Oh sweet heart, Southern Baptists are not exactly the Society of Jesus.

by Anonymousreply 111November 14, 2022 2:28 AM

[quote]OP: Southern Baptist men: tell me about them

They won't fuck standing up because they're afraid people will think they're dancing.

by Anonymousreply 112November 14, 2022 2:30 AM

Why, they're sissies, of course!

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by Anonymousreply 113November 14, 2022 2:31 AM

The only one who could ever reach me was the son of a preacher man.

Yes, he was.

by Anonymousreply 114November 14, 2022 2:31 AM

Currently live in Mississippi (working on my doctorate). Was a juror on this case a few years back- These people got secrets.

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by Anonymousreply 115November 14, 2022 2:38 AM

just looking at that photo I can tell you those are not Southern Baptists, R115. Haven’t you read anything on this thread? You’re a Northener at least.

by Anonymousreply 116November 14, 2022 2:45 AM

There are gay affirming Baptists but I'm sure not in the Southern Baptist Convention.

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by Anonymousreply 117November 14, 2022 2:58 AM

r115, that article is a little dry but I found another that describes the "cult-like environment" and "delusions of grandeur."

I wonder if this inspired the recent film Honk For Jesus. Save Your Soul.

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by Anonymousreply 118November 14, 2022 1:15 PM

Great thread. One of the better ones of late

by Anonymousreply 119November 14, 2022 10:36 PM

R106 When I say that Baptists are anti-intellectual, that doesn't mean they don't value educations. It's that they view education in a different way from Catholics, Jews, or other religious groups. Humanities aren't valued at all. Males are encouraged to have an understanding of math and science to get a good paying engineering or medical career for example, but they aren't pressured. There's a big difference in the way they encourage their daughters. When I was leading VBS class senior year, a girl told me that her mom took away the books in her library because she thought she was reading too much. She was 10. It broke my heart. Most of the girls I graduated with became nurses or elementary school teachers.

by Anonymousreply 120November 15, 2022 6:22 AM

I work with a woman who was raised Southern Baptist and is morbidly obese. I sometimes wonder if she was molested.

by Anonymousreply 121November 15, 2022 9:04 AM

One of the former Baptists I know is now a practicing Catholic, which seems an interesting (if not uncommon) change. Maybe he likes something about dogmatic thinking.

by Anonymousreply 122November 15, 2022 3:42 PM

The Southern Baptists were founded in 1845 in Atlanta. Like Mormons, they're very American.

by Anonymousreply 123November 15, 2022 5:04 PM

And like Mormons they have white supremacy baked into their core.

by Anonymousreply 124November 15, 2022 5:53 PM

Exactly, r124

by Anonymousreply 125November 15, 2022 7:22 PM

Add to that American exceptionalism

I'd argue that Mormons and Southern Baptists are the most American of Christian denominations. Maybe Pentecostals, to a lesser extent

by Anonymousreply 126November 15, 2022 7:38 PM

Pentecostals are heavily African influenced in worship style. It is said they were founded by former slaves who incorporated a lot of African conjure rituals and superstitions. And they influenced a lot of modern charismatic traditions like Assembles of God, the Church of God in Christ and plenty of non-denominationals. It's interesting they were among the earliest integrated denominations too as poor whites and blacks made up most of the services. White Pentecostals had their traditions of snake handling which came from African snake worship. Both white and Black Baptists considered Pentecostals as low class heretics who worshipped Satan and practiced magic with speaking in tongues and playing guitar. Ironically Baptists began integrating Pentecostal elements like speaking in tongues, emotional singing and use of guitars and drums in the mid-20th century. Elvis and Mahalia Jackson were influenced by Pentecostal churches. Baptists were originally uptight and relied on singing a capella or piano.

by Anonymousreply 127November 15, 2022 8:57 PM

r127 are you a religious scholar? (Genuine question -- I'm impressed with the breadth of your knowledge)

by Anonymousreply 128November 15, 2022 8:58 PM

Most of them follow the biblical text "be fruitful and multiply", and all the think about is fucking. They also believe their wives must make themselves available for breeding any time the man wants it, like it or not.

by Anonymousreply 129November 15, 2022 9:02 PM

One of the former Southern Baptists I know has a cuckholding fetish. Another one is, I suspect, closeted. He definitely pings.

by Anonymousreply 130November 15, 2022 9:12 PM

R128 I'm a journalism major but I studied a lot of theology and African-American history. I was raised in a religious home of Baptists and Pentecostals and I identify as agnostic now. The reason I became obsessed with studying it was due to how influential it was in my community and understanding why that was. It's a cliche agnostics/atheists tend to come from religious homes. It just never clicked with me that God was all-loving yet The Old Testament and Jesus sacrifice contradicted that. And the fact God just stopped revealing himself 2000 years ago and allowed horrific things to happen. It just seemed ridiculous people would go to Heaven just for accepting Jesus and nothing else and it enabled people to be self-righteous and hateful because they were in the "winning group." And how Christians in America vote is very much reflective of a religion that is backwards and enables tribalism. I feel all the Abrahamic religions are warrior tribal religions. But I find them fascinating to study in detail because they were also so successful and impactful on politics, society and education.

by Anonymousreply 131November 15, 2022 9:19 PM

Also not a fan of "not real Christian do ...." this or that. Same with Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. The prerequisite for any religion is acknowledging the central authority as the only true path and everyone else you do is indicative of you or whatever type of sect you belong to. If you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and are baptized, you are a Christian. Same deal if you accept Allah as the only God and follow The Prophet's teachings, you are a Muslim. There are many Christians and Muslims both refuse to take blame for the extremist sects of their groups and even have a discussion on it. While it's wrong to generalize large groups of people, it's just as wrong to deflect and deny that there could be problems within the group and condemnation of negative traits should not be silenced.

by Anonymousreply 132November 15, 2022 9:33 PM

Are Southern Baptists still creationists?

by Anonymousreply 133November 15, 2022 9:51 PM

R133 Yep. That's why it's so controversial to teach evolution in states like Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, Georgia, Oklahoma and the Carolinas.

by Anonymousreply 134November 15, 2022 9:55 PM


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by Anonymousreply 135November 15, 2022 9:57 PM

When I was a kid, I actually heard a Baptist preacher say “God created Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve.” I may have not known exactly that I was GAY then, but I knew enough to know that WHATEVER I was, was wrong in the eyes of that church.

by Anonymousreply 136November 16, 2022 5:22 AM

Do they still follow the Billy Graham rule?

by Anonymousreply 137November 16, 2022 11:55 PM

I asked a coworker today who was raised Southern Baptist. She said that men are still seen as "head of the household" and women are still supposed to obey their husbands.

by Anonymousreply 138November 18, 2022 11:55 PM

R137 they follow the Golden Rule.

He who has the gold shall rule!

by Anonymousreply 139November 19, 2022 12:31 AM

Cut or uncut?

by Anonymousreply 140November 23, 2022 8:07 PM

I learned today that the "once saved, always saved" doctrine isn't found in all Baptist denominations. (For example, Free Will Baptists believe that salvation can be lost.)

Maybe this contributes to Southern Baptist arrogance

by Anonymousreply 141December 3, 2022 12:27 AM

I think so, R141. I blame John Calvin.

by Anonymousreply 142December 3, 2022 1:05 AM
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