Surprised James Dean hasn’t been labeled a pedophile for flirting with Sal Mineo in this screen test

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Sal wanted it.

The little slut.

Meanwhile, Natalie Wood sat in the background watching that entire scene with a very uncomfortable look on her face.

Weren't they both bottoms?

According to Nicholas Ray, Jimmy fell in love with Sal during the filming of Rebel.

People got married at 13 back then. My uncles went to war at 16.

Gen Z would call James Dean a groomer today.

Is that what you do? Bump your old threads to distract?

So would Boomers, r6. They love that word.

Pointless. They're both dead, right?

OP is a pedo. That's why he has these fantasy threads.

Poor Nat.

I’ve not seen the screen test before- Sal looks close to kissing James at the end.

Hawt. He was a big 16. 16 is age to consent more states. I'd tap that.

Has anyone ever actually seen this film?

[quote] "Sal wanted it. The little slut."

I wasn't ready to full-on fuck, but I absolutely wanted twenty-four year-old (and older) dick at sixteen, and would've acted on it without regret or a word to anyone.

However, I would not have engaged a sixteen year-old at twenty-four. Sadly, I was molested by older guys at a much earlier age. I guess I was used up by age sixteen, and nobody wanted me anymore. At least not until I turned nineteen.

So hot. Times were different back then.

[quote] So hot. Times were different back then.

Yes. People didn't understand the trauma associated with sexual molestation and how it can ruin a life.

What’s with all the pedo bullshit lately? Stop trying to equate gay desire with this slur. Fuck you OP.

R18 I’m mocking the puritanical Gen Zers. Relax.

Dean knew Mineo was crushing on him and flirted with him but he didn’t take advantage of Mineo. Mineo says they didn’t have a relationship.

I can't imagine any gayling not being raging hard lying next to James Dean like that.

I would not have been able to present hole fast enough.

It would be like lying next to Brad Pitt circa Thelma and Louise but with the fame he had 20 years later.

Pedophile? Mineo had clearly passed puberty, and what were the consent laws in California (?) when this occurred?

R22 True but Sal looked like a baby in comparison to Jimmy.

This is hilarious. Sal grew up in the Bronx in a tough working class area and probably going into theatre prevented him from falling into street gangs that many Italian youth got sucked into. He had rough edges. He wasn't sheltered in the suburbs.

I'd have risked jail for Sal.

But not at 16.

Seventeen.

And Sal ended up chasing barely legal blond twinks in the 60s and 70s. Jimmy gave him his blond blue-eyed fetish.

R17 You can't "molest" a teenager. You either sexually harass, rape or have consensual sex with them which could be called statutory rape. Flirting isn't any of these. Homosex was illegal back then so no such thing as age of consent but since sixteen was the standard and Jimmy was not his teacher or boss, Sal was basically legal. If they did have sex.

There's these early 90s gay pornos I watch over and over: "My First Love", "Room 4 Rent" and "Wanting Jamie" that star this dark haired doe-eyed Italian twink named Bobby Styles who reminds me a bit of Sal.

Don't forget that Sal took in Don Johnson (and his sister) as roommates and had Don in a play with him.

Sal got sleazier with age and definitely sexually uninhibited. I wonder if he would have done gay porn, it be hot if he had. Would he have joined Rock Hudson and Tony Perkins as AIDS casualties?

Oh wow poor sal did anyone ever let him know how badly he was hurt just then?

Sal probably regretted he never got anything off of Dean. He did get Bobby Sherman and Don Johnson though.

Sal said if he was aware of his sexuality at the time, he and Jimmy would’ve been lovers just like that.

Sal made up for lost time. He enjoyed the Sexual Revolution. Something Jimmy didn't get to but Jimmy at least got Brando (and possible Newman) in their prime.

The Newman/Dean screen test is hot as hell.

R34 I’m not convinced Dean and Brando were lovers. Brando was mostly shady towards Dean and shunned him IRL. Dean and Newman, I absolutely want to believe got it on due to that East of Eden screen test.

According to a book by James Dean’s friend Lew Bracker, James and Natalie Wood had sex in his Porsche.

Natalie Wood was having sex with Dennis Hopper and statuary rape with Nicholas Ray during the filming of Rebel.

I think Dean definitely would’ve given Mineo a chance, he fell in love with Mineo during the filming of Rebel according to Nick Ray and he told George Stevens Mineo looked like an angel, which led Stevens to casting Mineo in Giant.

Sal unfortunately got pigeonholed into ethnic roles, apart from stereotypical Italians, he played Mexican, Native American, Arab, etc. He never changed his name to be marketable like John Saxon did (born Carmine Orrico). Nor try to rid himself of his Bronx accent. Al Pacino came along and made it easier for those with a heavy Sicilian look to be leading man. Unfortunately Sal began dressing like tacky like an old Italian dude would in the 1970s. It really aged him compared to his 1950s and 1960s look where he's more modern.

It’s a travesty Sal wasn’t in The Godfather.

He would have definitely been in Coppola, Scorsese and Tarantino films. You know John Waters would want him too. Unlike Brando, he never acted like he was "too good" for anything. So he would have had an interesting filmography.

Sal was a horny teen Hollywood whore and loved the attention he got from James Dean. This was a "victimless" crime!

Sal wouldn’t have considered himself a victim if he and Jimmy got it on. In his interviews about Jimmy he’s honest about how attracted he was to Jimmy.

Sigh, imagine how perfect they would’ve been in Call Ne By Your Name?

People back then grew up earlier. Dean grew up as a farm boy in rural Indiana. Sal grew up on the streets of NYC and he ran with gangs. Sal was a tough-talking kid from the Bronx, just had an angelic face but wasn't this soft, innocent and sheltered kid. He admitted he was in a gang and getting into fights.

Because that isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is defined as attraction to pre-pubescent children. 16 is not pre-pubescent. Being attracted to a 16 year old would be ephebophilia. I know a lot of people define pedophilia as 'anyone under the age of consent' but it's not the actual definition and frankly, 16 is legal in lots of places.

Pedophilia is actually very, very uncommon. Even most child molesters are not pedophiles, more power-hungry sadists. Ephebephilia is barely a thing as most post-pubescents were working jobs, had autonomy and were considered marriageable. Many people got married in their teens.

R47 I know but people are adamant on using pedophile, even in instances when it doesn’t apply. I’ve seen Leonardo DiCaprio called a pedo for his 20 year old girlfriends.

I find it strange that so many Americans freak out about 16 year olds having sex when the age of consent is 16 in a lot of U.S. states. In fact, the majority of them. Can someone explain why it's widely perceived as pedophilia in the U.S. when so many states say it's legal age?

R50 The white middle-class never let go of Puritanism and they infantilize teenagers in ways other cultures do not. They associate adolescent sexuality with being "corrupted." They fear their sheltered suburban kids going to the city and falling in with the "wrong crowd." For decades, marijuana was demonized because it turns you into a "whore." They also demonized rock and roll, rap music and other forms of youth culture because of openly sexual lyrics. Of course, they are fine with guns shooting up schools and letting teenagers drive cars and enlist at 17 years old. But godforbid, their little angels are having sex and enjoying it.

Good point about Puritanism - that seems like a cultural influence that endures.

A 16 year old having sex with a 30 year old may be legal but it isn’t right.

Natalie Wood was statutory raped by multiple grown men. Nicholas Ray, Frank Sinatra, Kirk Douglas.

Having said that, I don’t find a 16 year old and a 24 year old in the 50’s that big of a deal. Times were different.

R54 Rape is a crime no matter the age. I also think that people in positions of authority should not be allowed to have relationships with 16-year-olds.

Gay guys back then didn't have the easiness of finding peers their own age to have sex with. No apps, no safe spaces and it was still very much illegal in many states and social suicide to be openly gay. So a lot of gay relationships had age gaps because it wasn't as many options. Similarly many gay relationships were interracial due to smaller dating pool.

No you don’t OP. You just felt like posting something.

R58 If this movie came out today and 24 year old James was flirting with 16 year old Sal like that, he’d be dragged to hell and back.

It didn’t come out today. R59 it’s a eally old movie with dead actors.

[quote]If this movie came out today and 24 year old James was flirting with 16 year old Sal like that, he’d be dragged to hell and back.

Tell me about it!

"James was 24 and Sal was 16"................How old was Tommy Black when he was making out with HIS 16 year old?

Wasn’t call me by your name about a teenager & a twentysomething? Oscar noms all around. & in that one there was the stupid fruit eating scene. R59 R61

Knowing how Generation Z has poor taste and is incredibly stupid the only Hollywood Golden Age movie star they probably know of is Marilyn Monroe.

Otherwise we'd see some dumb ass still in high school giving a poorly researched recap and ranting and raving about this very topic on TikTok.

It's ridiculous how a group of self-righteous people pretend to be paragons of virtue and morals and then get outraged and throw major temper tantrums when other groups of people aren't the same way.

Then they thoroughly dissect history and get even more outraged when none of the historical figures we all know and love meet their nigh impossible standards.

R64 I'll never understand why old people like you hate on younger generations. I'm not Gen Z myself but did you give a shit about generations 50+ years older than you when you were in your teens and early 20s? Why do you relentlessly hate on younger people just for not having been born with the celebs and movies that you were?

R65 I was born in 1988, you twat.

Someone please explain to the OP what a pedophile is. I just can't with these nitwits anymore.

R66 Then you'd understand Millennials were just as annoying, arrogant and immature when young since you're not that old. We just didn't have smartphones to broadcast our adolescent stupidity and I'm so happy for it. No matter the generation, teenagers and early 20somethings think they know everything. They learn the hard way just I had and you probably had. I can't be mad at teenagers being annoying but I just wish they didn't have that social media platform because they'll regret this when they age.

Glad I didn't live long enough to sound like the old queens and qunts here.

I LOVED getting fucked by Jimmy. For as long as I could get it from him.

Which wasn't long.

I love this pic of him. He oozed sex

Sal would have fucked Jimmy. Not the other way around..

Back in the 50s we were ILLEGAL.

Fuck this pedo crap, if you found another like-minded HOMOSEXUAL, it was AMAZING.

The guy who played Sal in James Franco's movie looked nothing like him. In Pasolini's Salo and Arabian Nights, he cast this pretty Sicilian twink Franco Merli who reminds me a bit of Sal.

r63 but that was fraunip. boring, mind numbing, frau bait.

Some of you have too much time on your hands…

Sal Mineo is so good in that clip. His expressions. Those eyes. The kid glows.

Sal had sucked 100 dicks by that time.

R70, stinky linky.

The link doesn't work for me either.

Get a life, OP.

R65 I’m an older member of Gen Z and find my generation annoying too.

R65 Because they have the world of information in their palms & still have no interest. Don’t say i didn’t - I gave a shit about knowledge. (Yes. I’m sure there are in the younger generations too) - and had to work for it. Because they invested in their high education & now sob that they can’t pay it back (loans) It’s an investment in yourself. Because they were given a 7th place ribbon & believed (still) they deserved it.

Writes the guy also posting.

R83 a love note to R75

R82 Sober up - not everyone has the same very gay and camp interest in Old Hollywood as you do.

[quote] I’m an older member of Gen Z

What year were you born?

The aforementioned photo. He looks sexy and mature here.

I looked it up - the oldest Gen Z were born in 1997 so they'd be 25 max. It's not impossible but it'd be funny if a 25-year-old was posting on DL about generation wars.

And sounding like an old ass Boomer too.. yeah, not convinced.

R86 1998

I’m not a boomer I just find my generation annoying. You underestimate how damaging it was growing up on Tumblr.

R91 Of course. Poor snowflake. There, there. All that Tumblr porn must have damaged you. /s

I'm pretty sure most DLers are Gen X or Millennials. The generations that grew up on the internet and DL is part of the old internet.

That was a super gay scene.

[quote] Can someone explain why it's widely perceived as pedophilia in the U.S. when so many states say it's legal age?

The reason everyone assumes 18 is the age of consent is because that is the age of consent in California and Hollywood is in California.

Every film and tv program uses 18 as the given AoC. So everyone assumes that’s the norm.

California only has it that high because of Hollywood and all the child stars in the industry. It's to protect minors in the film industry from exploitation.

I was walking up Holloway the other day and passed the apartment carport where he was murdered, and thought of him.

We lost what would have potentially been a great gay voice in the random robbery gone wrong. He was both delicate and tough.

He was directing “PS Your Cat Is Dead” at the Geffen (then the Westwood) when he was stabbed. Who knows what he could have created.

R91

You could have just not gotten on Tumblr, you know.

Didn't he also nail an underage Natalie Wood?

[quote]Unlike Brando, he never acted like he was "too good" for anything.

Brando wasn't a snob. He eventually came to despise acting and only did it for money.

R100 He couldn't invest his money to live comfortably? He was basically Johnny Depp of his era. Had a drug and alcohol problem and was also addicted to food. He did films to support his lifestyle. He ruined his filmography with shit in his later years. He wasn't as smart as he thought himself to be. A total narcissist who was ungrateful to the opportunities he got. I love his early roles and his early 70s renaissance.

Brando was not an investor by nature-- as you note he was totally self-indulgent. Early in his career Brando hired his father as his financial manager. Apparently Brando Sr. lost most of the money. As he got older Brando's life became increasingly complicated and chaotic when he had children of his own to support, as well as the atoll in French Polynesia which was a huge money pit.

Brando was incredibly beautiful, fucked anything he could reach, and learned he could be an asshole and still have men and women fawning over him in hopes of getting some Brando cock.

Then he got ugly and that power disappeared, which left him bitter.

Still, we got both The Godfather and Apocalypse Now out of him.

The Sal movie by what's his face is boring but the end murder scene is very chilling.