Arrest Made in the Delphi Murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German

Here's a pic:

Wow, the sketch is almost exactly spot on. Can't wait to hear what they say at the press conf on Monday.

Wow. I got a little teary.

Thank god.

Either he or his wife took a photo of their daughter ON THE BRIDGE, about a year after the murders. Can you imagine what the wife and kids are going through? I wonder if L.E. got them out of town this morning.

Did he own clothes similar to what was shown in the footage captured? Being seen near the murder isn't proof.

Fat daughter.

.....and the cuntery begins. ^^^^

"Did he own clothes similar to what was shown in the footage captured? Being seen near the murder isn't proof."

Um, I'm pretty sure L.E. have more on him than that he was "near the murder". Like, say, DNA?

There were other suspects people had (very) strong feelings about, but cases like this highlight that most towns are crawling with predators and perverts, most of whom know how to keep a low profile. Redditors and podcast hosts are just as prone to tunnel vision as real-life investigators, but with far fewer facts and resources at their disposal.

Is the evidence strong or will he get railroaded?

Hard to know, R10. That pedophile, Kegan Whatever, has been flapping his gums for better treatment, telling them to search the creek, which they did.

I’m surprised it was someone on the younger side. This guy wasn’t on the radar before, correct? It’s like that Brittanee Drexel case. For years everyone was thinking it was the guy already in jail and it turned out to be a lone guy nobody in the public knew about.

Even with no connection to the crime, The wife is a weirdo to take a prom pictures of her teenage daughter right next to where other teenage girls were murdered the year before.

Unless mom knew and is far sicker than you thought.

We don't know that it was the wife who took the photo, R13. It could have been HIM.

Bet the perp's daughter with her face blurred in the picture looks like the heavier dead girl he killed. He probably targeted her, the other girl was collateral damage. Bet they find CP on his computer too.

[quote]Bet they find CP on his computer too.

Cerebral palsy?

Cheese pizza

Chocolate popcorn

Cheesy Poofs?

Cat pee

Chesty prisoners

Corn pone

Cat peen

Canal pilot

Captain Phillips

Canary poo

Chipped paint

Cheese pierogies

Catty parrot

Complex parakeets

Haha r30. Great minds...

What?! Oh my gosh, I’m so relieved that I don’t even know what to think. Oh please, oh please let him be the bridge guy.

Chimpanzee photographs

Was this guy on anyone's radar before the arrest?

Doff of the cap, R31

Cunty Pauline

Okay, my mistake, I thought this thread was going to actually be about the arrest of a suspect in the murders.

i've been checking out various posts on the subreddit for the Delphi Murders and it appears this guy was NOT on anyone's radar (except LE). No priors and no DNA might have been the original reasons for no resolution. Kegan Kline, who was considered a person of interest for a time and has subsequently been charged with child porn, has allegedly provided a tip (or several) and there could be a child porn connection here.

I hope they FRY the guy who killed these little girls!

I'm confused. Didn't we read a few months ago that it was determined that the killer was found to have been some other suspect, who has since died of covid?

DOWN THE HILL

Just because he was arrested doesn't mean he is guilty.

r43 Libby German's sister has posted on SM pretty much saying this is the killer in so many words. We'll know in a few days.

R4 She looks like a sturdy gal.

Here's a wild theory. Several of the previous suspects were known to each other on some level because all viewed child porn. Maybe they used fake names but were in a wider network exchanging pictures/videos.

When earlier perps were accused and then found innocent of the murders they led to another child porn viewer who took his sick fetish too far.

Children who are overweight sometimes are stuffing their feelings. Or subconscioulsy trying to make themselves visually undesirable to predatory males. Wonder if the perp molested his own daughter?

Not so wild, r46. Many people believe that the two other suspects in the case (Kegan Kline and Brian C-whatever) where both a part of a CASM (Child Abuse Sex Material, not child porn since the children had no say in said filming/pics/abuse) sharing ring. Head over to the subreddit Delphi Murders and there are tons of threads that talk about the connections between the suspects and the man arrested today.

[quote]CASM (Child Abuse Sex Material, not child porn since the children had no say in said filming/pics/abuse)

What? A child can not give consent. So there is no difference. Are you insane?

"Oh please, oh please let him be the bridge guy."

I'd say there's a pretty good chance he is (see below). The fact that it took SO long to ID him testifies to the unbearable blandness of middle-aged heterosexuality. Literally every 45-year-old straight guy in Indiana wears a baseball cap, a navy blue jacket, and and a pair of jeans EVERY DAY.

Apparently someone on 4chan back in 2020 mentioned someone named Richard, then later claimed it was a typo.

Also fun info in this thread about EARONS posting about himself online.

[quote] Either he or his wife took a photo of their daughter ON THE BRIDGE, about a year after the murders. Can you imagine what the wife and kids are going through? I wonder if L.E. got them out of town this morning.

I always think the wives know more than they admit. It's only when spurned that they come out with info they've been hiding for years.

[quote] What? A child can not give consent. So there is no difference. Are you insane?

It's not insane to relabel, change language to fit the actual situation. In this case (moving away from "child porn") makes sense.

The misogynists are desperately spinning to try to blame this guy's wife

We don't even know if this guy is the killer! Fucking piranhas.

What are you babbling about R47/R52? A child cannot consent. Period. ALL child porn = abuse. WTF is wrong with you?

Its him

One chilling thing on Reddit was a picture of the alleged murderer and his wife, she was wearing that fucking hat from the bridge photo. I would bet my life on it. Gave me goosebumps. (Looks like she was wearing his hat- it was clearly a men's or unisex hat)

I wonder what this guy's deal is. My guess is he drove by the girls at just the right time and fulfilled some sick fantasy?

But he had a weapon(s) so was it planned?

The guy's eyes are dead. And when you look at the photo on the bridge and look at him- Its very chilling.

r55 you seem unhinged. This is the term LE is using, so it's the term I used. Relax and unclench. Also, I'm the poster at r47, but apparently r52 agrees with me. What a thing to go on and on about. Get a damn grip.

Becky said that the pharmacy tech at CVS (arrestee) didn't charge them for processing the funeral pictures. Interesting thread of locals. Juicy in the most mundane way.

R59 are you a Reddit transplant or something? 99.99999% of us have no clue who “Becky” is.

Becky with the good hair?

Becky break your necky.

There is a rumour (and let’s face it we only have rumours right now) that his parents turned him in.

Also a rumour that he checked himself into a mental health facility shortly after the murders.

Another odd thing is that until sometime yesterday the wife had kept her Facebook public but had either scrubbed all photos and posts from 2017 (year of the murders) from her Facebook account or had never posted in 2017 at all. Considering she is a typical flyover state frau who spends too much time posting on Facebook, laughs constantly at things that are not understandable to others on her videos and proudly refers to herself as a redneck, she likely wasn’t smart enough to suspect her husband. But it makes the 2017 absence of posts even more odd.

This is the frauiest thread that ever fraued, apart from Meghan Markle threads.

He had help. Was it the wife???

Can someone post Reddit link? I’m hungover, I appreciate the assist.

I read (but no way to verify this) that that gross tubby Keegan Kline led police to this killer, he told police where to find evidence. Kline supposedly got the girls to send nudes by cat fishing them (he’s a monster too). There is a belief that he knows Richard Allen because of CP. If true, I hope Kline is charged too.

Anyone have the photo of the wife in that English cap the killer wore?

R67, isn’t he already in jail? If what you say is true, it’ll have the opposite effect. He probably got a deal for providing info. No one in his shoes is going to give up that kind of info without something in return. I am skeptical of the claim anyway. I’m not sure members of online pedophile rings give up their names and identities so readily. The whole story gives me the creeps.

Kevin Federline was never a beauty.

R67- I was trying to find it on Reddit, but holy cow Reddit is impossible to find things later-

I saw it with my own eyes, and I am going to be shocked if that cap was NOT the cap she was wearing in the photo.. Its really eerie. Let me try to find it for you

Creepy and interesting-

r66 here is the link. Plenty of info here.

I wonder if the "Richard" poster was Kegan or his father.

Armchair detectives are the worst (look up Reddit and the Boston bomber case). Likely the Kegan thing is a red herring.

I wouldn't be shocked if local cops have thought that it was Richard Allen for a while but just didn't have the evidence to prove it but we'll eventually find out. I really would love to know what evidence they have.

The scroll between r17 and r32 is why I come here.

DM has the picture of his daughter on the bridge without the blurred face. It’s fucking creepy because she looks like the blond victim. It was taken a year after the girls were killed and the same spot they were walking. Wouldn’t shock me if the wife knew.

"I wouldn't be shocked if local cops have thought that it was Richard Allen for a while but just didn't have the evidence to prove it but we'll eventually find out. I really would love to know what evidence they have."

There is speculation that they might have dug up an Allen family cat that was buried in the back yard. The lead L.E. guy said a long time ago that they had DNA, "but it's not what you might think". I would absolutely love it if poor dead Fluffy led to this monster being caught.

Press conference at 10:00 AM! (Delphi is EST)

Flyoverstan Gothic

Was he identified by any YouTubers or podcasters before this? Just wondering how well they pointed fingers beforehand.

Carroll County prosecutor presenting BDF, but not the deets we crave.

Don't Reddit my Datalounge.

R80 Nope, by nobody. Which just shows how good they are...

I was alwyas perplexed by people thinking it was Ron Logan. There’s no way that guy in the video is an elderly man. You could tell he was middle aged.

🚨🚨🚨

"Holy cow"

"There was a rumoUr (and let's face it, all we have are rumoUrs right now....)"

"flyover STATE frau"

"lol"

and whoever is doing all the parentheses is ORGASMIC over this shit.

Murder fraus are the worst.

I can't stand the person who keeps referencing Reddit. Reddit is one of the absolute worst places to get accurate information about anything. They also don't give context or links so I'm often left wondering what the hell they're talking about.

R80, supposedly someone on 4chan kept mentioning a Richard, but there's no way of knowing if they meant Richard Allen. This was back in 2020, apparently. Otherwise, no, no one had any clue it might be him, as far as we know.

I love 💕 when 10,000 people call in and report their husbands

Well? Is this guy arrested for the murders or for something like Obstruction or tampering with evidence?

He has been charged with two counts of murder, R89.

What are all the Flyover Fraus saying? They have become our defacto intelligencia

He is charged with two counts of murder and being held without bond, R89.

And I should have been more specific in my post at R81, because I would never want the details on how these girls were murdered (shudder), but I am dying to know the forensic details on how this POS was finally caught.

I imagine they will keep things sealed to avoid tainting the jury pool, which is anywhere in the state at this point because I have no doubt they will change venue or bring in jurors from outside the county. But eventually either info will be unsealed for trial or they will release more following a guilty plea.

Did anyone see if they asked the prosecutor if they would seek the death penalty?

I love how national tv news didn’t give these keystone cops a second of time for their press conference today. They have had 5 years of the same prattle about no facts being available. Great they have one arrest. Should have just announced his name and the charges Friday and been done with it.

Should have had him a few years ago and still no clue who else is involved.

Yea, thanks, R92. I just read an article. Still something fishy here.

They aren't releasing the charging information which is very very weird. That should be a public document. We don't have secret arrests and secret charges in this country. Once someone's liberty has been taken then the grounds need to be made public. That is for the protection of anyone ever arrested.

So maybe there's an accomplice or he really is just an aider and abettor or a co-conspiracist - that would still get a murder charge - but it could mean he didn't do the actual killings.

It’s not a secret arrest or a secret charge. His name and the charges are announced. They just have not unsealed the probable cause affidavit. Whether they should or shouldn’t is debatable but I wouldn’t call this secret.

Why R92? What exactly did he do? I've never really followed this case beyond knowing two little girls were taken off a bridge and murdered. Did he torture them?

"Should have had him a few years ago and still no clue who else is involved."

R92, literally every middle-age guy in Indiana looks and sounds like this guy. It's easy to be an armchair detective, not so easy to be a real one.

And R97, how would I know "exactly" what he did? None of us know, but I would say being forced to die a horrendous death with your best friend qualifies as "torture".

R97 We don't know but there are some clues from a FBI search warrant.

"'A large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene,' an FBI search warrant read. It did not note how the girls had been wounded, but noted that there were no signs of a 'struggle or fight.'

The warrant, obtained by Indianapolis FOX59, offered no further information on a murder weapon or cause of death.

Police have never disclosed how the two friends died after being stalked by their killer on a hiking trail, with information on the bloody crime scene offering a gruesome new detail.

Their killer likely got his victims' blood on his clothes, the warrant also revealed, although no-one has ever been charged with the double-homicide.

Indiana State Police said in February they know who killed the girls, but say they have insufficient evidence to make an arrest.

Chillingly, FBI investigators believe the young friends' killer took a souvenir from their corpses to provide a warped memento of his appalling crimes.

The warrant offered no further detail on what the souvenir was, although it did say that 'the rest of (the girls') clothing was recovered,' implying that the killer had taken something they'd been wearing.

And sickeningly, the murderer 'staged' the girls' bodies in a particular way after killing them, although it remains unclear exactly how he did this.

Investigators believe photographs or videos were likely shot of the grotesque set-up to 'memorialize' the crime scene. "

Allen's mugshot as provided by Indiana State Police.

JFC! I wouldn't want him anywhere near my prescriptions!

Oh his wife has to know! And his poor chubby daughter must be so skeeved out right now.

I grew up in flyover country and he looks just like my high school shop teacher....fat middle aged white American guys really do all look related.

Why doesn't any man think that kind of beard is in any way shape or form attractive?

They need to release the affidavit in support of the arrest warrant.

Fat deplorables are scary.

Take a chill pill r98 frau. Not nabbing the guy who lives 5min away in a small town in 5.5 years is a failure. Who knows what he’s been doing since then. And why don’t you just say all white people look alike???

You have the typical style of someone who hops over here from Reddit thinking they have all the right opinions and answers.

R100 the eyes always give these shitcunts away. Those eyes are the stuff of nightmares.

The guy at R100 looks like a lot of other guys, except for the long beard. He's probably heavier than average, but the photo from the girls' phone was of a heavy-set man. Yes, his eyes look a little crazy at R100, but it's not like this guy had distinct looks.

This was a small town in Indiana and I'm sure the police department didn't have a lot of smart, experienced, educated, trained guys and women on their force.

The parents of one of the girls do seem satisfied with how the police performed their jobs.

Point is: this guy was kind of an everyman, looks-wise, IMO. Not so easy to figure out who he was just based on looks and the grainy photo & police sketches.

Just how small is this town?

[quote] Libby’s grandmother, Becky Patty, told reporters that Allen once processed photos for the family at the CVS store in Delphi where Allen worked. He didn’t charge them for the photos, she added.

R109 Small - even though it's actually a city the population was 2,893 at the 2010 census.

Why would he have done this to those girls? The one who had the same hair and body type to his daughter was the one most viciously attacked. How does someone go from being a typical, middle aged father to a violent double murderer seemingly out of nowhere? This is such an angry violent murder for a FIRST murder. Perhaps this is not his first. Or perhaps something unrelated happened and he snapped, taking it out on the girls?

Unless he had a gun, I don’t see how he commandeered the two girls.

Could he have drugged them? Used chloroform or a syringe?

He is a registered gun owner with a licence to conceal carry.

The cops searched his house and dug up at least two areas in his backyard, one of them a firepit. This was last week or the week before. There is some talk that he was suspected of theft but nobody has said theft of what or any further details.

The girls jackets were missing from the crime scene. I don't know what else may have been taken from/off of them as "souvenirs" by the murderer.

He didn't grow out that white supremacist looking goatee until after the murders.

The rumor is that Kegan Kline finally gave Richard Allen up as a secondary user on the "Anthony Shots" catfishing account that Libby (and Abby?) were in contact with before the murders. I'm not sure what, if anything, he has to do with the river searching in recent weeks but people seem to think that it's likely.

Witnesses have stated that Allen threatened to beat the shit out of his wife in a local bar when she beat him at pool or something one night. They were regulars at that local bar.

Someone who worked with Allen for several months at CVS said he was a nice enough guy. No weirdness. He's a manager who later became a pharmacy tech so that he could support the pharmacy when the store got busy.

He previously worked at Walmart. After working there for a while (don't know how long) Allen allegedly made inappropriate remarks to young women working there. When they complained he was transferred. He began working at CVS at some time after that.

There is some speculation that his wife may have turned him in. There is also speculation that she covered up for him. So... no idea.

There's a lot of talk about him checking himself into a mental hospital within a week after the murders in 2017 for a 30 day stay. That sounds more like a drunk/drugs issue but nothing has been confirmed.

That's all I can remember from recent rumor mills I've read.

Delphi is a utopia where one forgets all their problems.

I wonder if this crime was just another stupid gun owner situation. He took his gun out to try to threaten the girls for trespassing and they laughed and called him a creep or disrespected the gun, so he shot one girl without thinking or by misfire, realized he was screwed so then decided to kill both and do weird satanic staging to throw police off. Amazing how many gun owners kill without motive in stupid gun moments. I can see him doing that and then acting in panic staging to save his reputation. This would explain lots, including the mental health episode.

quote: "And sickeningly, the murderer 'staged' the girls' bodies in a particular way after killing them, although it remains unclear exactly how he did this.

Investigators believe photographs or videos were likely shot of the grotesque set-up to 'memorialize' the crime scene."

Memorialize, what BS. I guess that's how officials says "taken to share with other slimebuckets."

R116

My belief is that there is a regional CSA ring, one of whom (Kegan Kline?) turned this guy in for a reduction in charges. Having said that, I believe his trial is starting soon so I’m not sure what the outcome of any deal is. I just found it telling that the police asked for more tips at the presser, as if there are more people out there for whom they are looking.

The girls were on the bridge when he told them to go “down the hill” and that is public property so they weren’t trespassing. And FWIW, the person who owns the property where the bodies were found was cleared by police and died last year.

I thought they met him via a hookup app.

Casually following this case. I think the screen grab at R71 talking about how city folk don't understand how small communities work is true.

People in small towns (mostly) know each other. Everyone knows your business whether you want them to know it or not. There are many vested interests and relationships. These people are usually unable/unwilling to move elsewhere so have to deal with the consequences of accusations, etc. I'm not surprised it's taken this long to make an arrest.

Five and a half fucking years.

Wait so youre saying there's a child porn ring where they all know each other? Oh fuck off. That's fucking ridiculous and such a reddit frau thing to think. You think they would all just let each other know this shit about each other? and then just casually give each other up? Jfc, please go back to web sleuths, you are fucking retarded.

R122 ever heard of NAMBLA?

Yeah I'm pretty sure nambla shit doesn't use real names, you're basically saying they all know each other's real names and m.o's, if that's the case then it's just a fucking matter of time before they all give each other up.

I think “Abagail Williams” falsely accuses her fellow townspeople of being witches in THE CRUCIBLE.

Could her 2017 murder have been karmic payback?

[quote] I wonder if this crime was just another stupid gun owner situation. He took his gun out to try to threaten the girls for trespassing

What? Trespassing where? Who said this was his property?

r122, just look up the information released so far on the case of Kegan Kline. Not that you will, because you're only on this thread to scream "frau frau frau" like a lame Rain Man, but still, the info is out there.

Kline was one of the last people to chat with Libby before she was murdered. He had an online persona where he was catfishing underage girls to get photos of them, and there's been some evidence to indicate he allowed others to use those catfishing accounts too, to get access to the underage nudes. When people talk about a "pedo ring" what they mean is the theory that there were numerous local men accessing Kline's CP accounts.

Kline has been in jail for two years for CP charges. He was taken out of prison in August by the police, and we don't officially know why, but it was at the same time there was a police search of the Wabash River.

The theory is that Kline let Richard Allen have access to his CP account, the one that was catfishing Libby and chatting with her, which is how Allen knew Libby and her friend Abby were going to be at the bridge that day. They also theorize that the search of the Wabash and/or a recent interview with Kline caused the police to search Richard Allen's back yard about a month after the river search.

However, some of this comes from leaks about Kline's responses in police interviews where he claimed he had info on the murders, and it's possible Kline was pretending to have information to try to finagle a lesser sentence or something.

If so, that means poor Libby was the victim of two pedos at once: Kline catfishing her online just before she went to the bridge, and then Allen murdering her and Libby while she was at the bridge.

A couple of Irish guys with some HLN footage describing the search of Richard Allen's house and what the cops took.

[quote]Could he have drugged them? Used chloroform or a syringe?

That’s an interesting thought. He would have had access to drugs and syringes in his job as a pharmacy tech.

R122 just arrived on this planet.

I guess I did R130, that fucking town needs to be carpet bombed right off the map if there's like 4 cp afficianados living there and they all know each other, why wouldn't they all give each other up right away? And his probably fat wife needs a vicious face slapping too, no way she didn'tknow about this. I feel bad for his kid.

It's not like men interested in CP can openly get together and form things like an intramural softball league. They exchange materials and communicate with each other.

[quote] if there's like 4 cp afficianados living there and they all know each other, why wouldn't they all give each other up right away?

Why would they rat on each other? They're all doing the same damn thing. They could all get in trouble.

R131 what possible reason would they have for ratting each other out? You are dense

R132 Because the person supposedly doing the ratting (Kegan Kline or his father) has already been charged with CP, as you may have read above. The theory is that he is angling for a lighter sentence or fewer charges in his upcoming trial.

R114, WTF do you mean you "(don't know how long)" the suspect worked for Walmart before he started harassing women?

You know everything else about these people-- where they ate and drank, what kind of underwear they preferred, which cash register they used.

What are you doing with your life, aside from getting an associate degree in the Delphi Murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German?

Most of those 'rumors' are trash made up by Redditors. I would just ignore and wait/look for reliable sources.

Ok, some facts.. The pretrial hearing has been scheduled for 13 January 2023 and the trial date for 20 March 2023.

The police also stressed that the investigation is still underway and that they want the public to keep sending in tips. So it sounds as if they don't have a super strong case and are hoping that his arrest will prompt some more evidence.

Here are some things that don't make sense yet: Why would someone who has not murdered before suddenly murder in middle age? (Most murderers start in their 20s or early 30s and with less dramatic kills. This being 2 kills at once, in daylight, with staging make it usual and high risk, the sort of kill that a serial killer would do after many, many murders.) If he is a child abuser, why kill 2? Most abusers want only one victim and wouldn't know what to do with 2. Also, if he's an abuser, why kill so quickly? Most of these sickos like to abduct a victim and then abuse them for a while before killing.

There's no way his trial will start that soon. A half decent public defender will put the kibosh on that.

R138 are you assuming he’s not killed before?

Enough with these rumors from the rumor mills.

R140 I'm assuming he hasn't killed before for several reasons: He was dumb enough to kill so close to his home, to be filmed during the crime, and to leave the bodies in plain sight. Most successful serial killers are smart enough to kill far from home, not to be filmed, and also to hide the bodies or to dispose of the bodies rather than leave the bodies in plain sight.

That town sounds like a real nightmare, I'd be moving if I found out how many creeps live there and try and trick minors into sending pics.

R143. Google sex offenders in your zip code. They're there.

Each state should have a sex offender registry. You can plug in your address and choose a radius, e.g., 5 miles. All the registered sex offenders should pop up. It's an amazing amount. I live near a jail, so that inflates the situation. Even without the jail, there are a lot, though. No, I don't live in a high-crime area.

I have a suspicion (based on no evidence) that they found him via genealogical DNA. A match to him would be very solid evidence but that might be all they have & they want even more to take to a jury, hence asking for people to still send in tips.

The guy has an alias. I forget what it is. Something like Craigh is the first name of the alias. To me that screams double life. Why does a regular Joker from a small town in the Midwest need an alias for fucks sales. They should have looked closer at him. The whole male population was asked to submit dna. He refused.

^ All of that is Reddit rumor - not information supplied by LE. Why do people like you get so excited by made up crap?

One of the better YouTubers said a leaker told them that the guy was able to subdue two of them At once be cause on the rest of the cell video he says he’s a “railway cop” told them they were in deep shit for being on the bridge and to head down the hill - had a gun. Two small town 13 year olds could easily have been intimidated by that and obeyed.

Why do you assume he never murdered r138. He just hasn’t been caught.

Also to the frau who said them asking for tips still means they don’t have a strong case yet. Wtf. There are many reasons to ask for more tips. Like more people who might be involved.

R138 r142. Please provide your backup sources for this:

“Most successful serial killers are smart enough to kill far from home, not to be filmed, and also to hide the bodies or to dispose of the bodies rather than leave the bodies in plain sight.”

It will be a long wait…

R150 Because he's acting like a dumb-ass criminal. He killed like a few miles away from his house, was filmed by the victims, left the bodies in plain site. Most multiple murderers who get away with it kill in ways to avoid detection--this means killing far from home and/or away from lit open spaces, being sure not to get filmed and hiding bodies. That's how murders are able to murder many without getting caught.

Actually R138/R42 is asking the right questions. He's not wrong.

I saw a news story where they interviewed someone who worked at the bar that Allen and his wife frequented. It's a pool table bar. Anyway, supposedly, Allen smoked cigarettes. Possibly, there were cigarette butts (DNA in the filters) near the scene.

Oh please r138 r142, r153 went to the Reddit school of serial killer knowledge. Some of us actually recently studied them in university.

And r154 it’s not the questions that are wrong. It’s the statements.

What is being debated is this — what are the odds that this offender has killed before? What are the odds that his first time is a double-murder in broad daylight?

This crime seems to be moderately elaborate. There is a fake online persona, a scheduled rendezvous, a double kidnapping in daylight, a camouflaged peep who succeeded in hiding his identity for five years, and then an (allegedly) staged murder scene complete with a set-up for photos/video. Talk about premeditation and planning! So this killer is highly organized, and while we do not know anything about his past, we cannot yet say that this is his first crime as nothing points either way.

As I’m even writing this post, I’m leaning toward there being no way in hell this is his first murder. He also managed to not have a nervous breakdown after the murders, he kept his poker face when the family brought their photos into CVS, pointing toward a cunning killer who is very much in control of himself and his emotions. He is not screaming “beginning offender”.

FF to this thread. Invaded by Reddit fraus. Can’t you just start a Frauenlounge?

The questions are in the statements. Very nice that you took some uni courses. Try representing these freaks in real life.

^ perp, not peep

It’s a degree actually if you must bring it up again . And you’re far less qualified to represent them in real life or whatever idiotic point your post if trying to make in saying that. Too much stupidity. Like your statements. Pure stupidity. Waiting for your sources in the serial killer behaviour you spluttered about like they were facts (but they aren’t). Anyway, time to use my “bitch be gone spray” and block.

LOL R152 R156 Seriously? R138 and R159 are different people. But why are you so personally triggered by comments in this discussion? You must be kidding us with this reaction or have never paid attention to any serial killers or investigations. If it's true you went to a university to study this, I'm so sorry your education has let you down.

R161 Have you ever watched any documentaries or read books on serial killers? The ones who get away with it for multiple murders typically kill far from home and/or hide the remains. Bundy abducted victims and hid bodies far away. Also, Night Stalker, Green River Killer, BTK, Zodiac,--impersonal and mostly all kills far from home except in rare cases. The notable exceptions hid the bodies--Gacy and Dahmer killed IN their homes but had turned their homes into "morgues" and kill stations hidden away from public spaces so bodies could be dismembered and hidden--no killing in broad daylight. They carefully hid/destroyed the bodies. See the case studies of almost every famous serial killer ever. If you don't believe me, look these up online or watch some free documentaries on streaming. This research is well know and available everywhere and presented by well known experts in the field.

R154 Thank you.

Begine flyover frauen. You know I mean 138 and your comment was defending the frau.

A rumor I heard.

Allen wasn't on LE's radar. He stole some tools from a neighbor and was caught with the items. They weren't valuable but were taken from an attached garage. That is a felony charge. In Indiana all those arrested have to take a DNA test. His results matched DNA from the murder.

R165 sounds uneducated.

Does anyone here think he did this alone? Is it possible someone else was on scene?

You gotta hand it to him for having the nerve to live and work mere minutes from the crime. Drinking with people who had ties to the victims families; filling scripts for direct family members. That takes balls.

R163, you are right, somehow I missed that “minor” detail lol. But I still stand behind the rest of my brainstorming post because I do think this killing seems unusual with no prior record, although, has his criminal record been verified yet?

I do not know average age of a first murder in serial killers, but I will look into it.

Datalounge serial killer enthusiasts are real Mindcunters.

R152…my guess is she got it from watching Criminal Minds. (Cause reality is very different from TV)

R151 What are you on about? Nobody has said “they don’t have a strong case yet”. Nobody. Fuck off back to Reddit where you can carry on wetting yourself in excitement as you wait for all the ghoulish details of these child murders, you flabby old cunt.

The girls were killed when Richard Allen was 44 years old. That's late for a serial killer to get started and it seems weird that a double homicide was his first crime. News reports have verified that Allen has no criminal record.

I heard something similar re Allen was suspected for theft and then the police stumbled on the murder stuff. I've also heard that cops have looked at Allen for a couple of years.

I've been a serial killer "enthusiast" since the late 70's/early 80's, far longer than I've been a datalounge enthusiast which has only been for 20-25 years.

Just a guess, but I would think that leaving the tip line open is to bring out any more details people remember about Richard Allen now that he's been identified. It also takes away a potential argument from the defense "You just settled on Allen and never looked for anyone else!"

Stop picking on murder geeks. It's as valid as theater geeks, frugal geeks, tv geeks and assorted other geeks we have around here.

[quote]datalounge enthusiast which has only been for 20-25 years.

😉

If it's true that he had an online profile that the girls responded to (or vice-versa), I'm guessing he thought he was dealing with one girl, only. It would make sense that one girl accompanied the other girl to a meetup place (the bridge area). It would also explain why the girls would be, initially, curious and maybe even a little bit cooperative with him. Although, he was fucking old compared to them, even back then.

It doesn’t take a criminologist to see that someone is WWing themselves to death.

R175, Don't believe the 2 girls realized the actual age of the perp. Likely they thought they were communicating with a much younger man, the son of the alcoholic criminal who died in prison. Multiple males were using the same account.

R177, yeah, I agree. I'm guessing Allen's online profile listed him as significantly younger. But when they saw his face, they must have realized he was a lot older than he said he was. Yet, maybe they were still curious about this old guy who was interested in a young girl. Who knows, maybe one of the girls said she was 18 in her profile.

Allegedly the girls were responding to catfishing account "Anthony Shots" (young, fit, former model who is now a cop in Michigan or somewhere and has no involvement). The account profile was invented by Kegan Kline. Kegan has admitted to police that he was in touch with Libby (the fatter girl) and Abby was the sidekick in this instance.

I'm still not sure that Kegan Kline had no involvement but it may be as an accessory (set up the account, catfishing, maybe photos) with Allen as the actual killer.

So if this is correct, Allen was catfishing and targeting the girl named Libby, who looked like his own daughter.

I've been furiously researching this case for DAYS, now and whew! I haven't been this busy since Gabby Petitas went missing! It's pretty OBVO the wife is involved, along with some mysterious Satanic Pedophile Ring in a town the size of a cornfield.. at least according to my sources on The Reddit.

My Meemaw's BFF, Eudora Shrimpton, babysatted for Ted Bundy, so it's safe to say I know my stuff when it comes to Cereal Killers. God Bless!

Okay - I would totally love it if there were an actual "Flyover Housefrau Detective Agency"

Missing cats, cheating husbands and mysteriously disappearing cakes are her specialties!

He may be dumb but he got away with it in his own backyard for 5 years.

Did the cops mean it when they said "We know who you are, we know a lot about you"... how creepy!

Well, believe you me, I didn't start out with my big girl yoga panties on, friend requesting Merra Murray's baby sister and speaking my mind about ol Brain Lauderrie on the youtube.

Once I solved the enduring neighborhood mysteries of the "Marshmeller Drone", and who stole my niece Pepper Jo's Hello Kitty pup tent, I became the Queen of the Cul De Sac, and recruited my friend DeeAnne-Beth, and do like those folks on the Reddit.

Stay tuned for our new podcast, "True Crime & Box Wine" coming soon to the Spotify and The iTunes. God Bless!

I doubt they were interested in him when they went to meet him, he looked nothing like the catfishing pics so they wouldn't even know who he was when they saw him on the bridge. It was a surprise attack, lure them in with fake photos, if that's why they went there, and then force them down the hill. In the audio released, he was threatening them to move.

I think he hypmotize them girls

I think the Cops knew who he was, and that he did it, it just took them a long time to secure solid evidence against him, enough to get a Judge to sign off on a probable cause warrant.

That "Press Conference ", though? I was at least hoping for a generalized motive, or maybe how they died?

They don't want to taint the jury pool with motive or evidence. Also, leaving the tip line open is a definitively good move because now that they've announced his name and arrest, others might come forward and tell them about things that they may have dismissed (in the way a small town member might) as not of an importance.

Also, it might ferret it out any people that could be peripherally involved (if there were multiple people sharing the Anthony Shotts account).

I will also say that I've been sort of obsessed with serial killers and true crime in general since the early 90s, watched many shows and documentaries, so don't feel like a complete novice on the subject. This crime is not the crime of a first time killer. The assertions that he would "never do this in broad daylight" and would have only "done this far from his home" are not really cut and dried for all serial killers AT ALL. Many killers kill in a 5-10 mile radius of their home, in areas that they are well known to them. In broad daylight is not really a deterrent, especially if the killer knows the area and how well-tread it is, the areas that are maybe off the beaten path. The fact that he POSED the bodies and took trophies speak to both the experience of the killer, as well as the bravado and "I know more than you" attitude many killers embody.

Also, this guy has moved around quite a bit, and I'm sure the investigators are looking into potential crimes in the areas he previously resided. That would also be a reason to keep the tip line open; if you watch any true crime shows, you will see that the arrogance of this crime (2 girls, the level of brutality, the ritualistic nature), it's almost certain that he has killed before, and maybe started out (as many serial killers do) as a peeping tom, potentially abusing or raping victims, then moving on from there. Also, there is a rumor that animal bodies may have been dug up from his property; serial killers also have a propensity for torture and killing of animals. Or it may speak to potential DNA evidence found at the crime scene.

I hope we get more answers in the ensuring investigation and trial. Flame away.

^^Also, no I'd never visited or posted on the reddit or any other Delphi Murder threads prior to this rrest.

*ensuing investigation

I would say that chances are pretty decent that he has killed before. Serial killers may also get overconfident towards the end and make mistakes which is how some of them get caught.

If the cops have known who he is...Wonder how they knew

It’s a safe bet at any moment that these low-rent, piece of shit hillbillies are trying to prey on someone.

They are unfit for society.

It would be great if we could identify them and take them out.

Deplorables.

But they are fully 1/3 of society now.

Crystal-Jo, what is your and DeeAnne-Beth’s approximate BMIs?

R170, they're not ours, they're squatters here from Reddit.

Or websleuths R196. Maybe some "eyes for lies". They're so earnest as if we were keeping up with this case. I dont get why they came here though.

You leave them poor mommas alone, R195!

Don't nobody appreciate how hard they work all day in unpaid labor. Naw, not fixin' wholesome meals or reading to the kids, or brushing the dawg's teeth or runnin' the sweeper, naw, I'm talking layin' in bed workin' murder cases and stalking Hilaria Baldwin on the internet. It ain't as easy as it looks!

DeeAnne-Beth, what’s an appropriate lunch for a hard working flyover sleuth?

You guys should start a "Let's Be Flyover Sleuths" thread.

R199 Well I'm on KETO so I just had a stick'a string cheese and a fistful of pepperonis, but I just started doing my KETO about a half an hour ago. Before that I microwaved some corn chips with shredded colby jack and had two slices of toast with butter and jelly. That wasn't lunch though, it's 2:14 AM and I am burning the midnight oil on this pedo case, so it was more of a midnight snack.

The small town I went to junior high and high school in is the same size as Delphi, also in the Midwest, and I can tell you that I know of five teachers who were pedos, and there's currently two other teachers who are charged right now with more pedo crimes against their students. When I was going to school, the junior high teacher I knew about was eventually caught looking at porn in the classroom and quietly had his teaching license revoked. The high school band teacher and two theater teachers were let go and quietly told to not teach underage kids anymore, so they both moved on to community college teaching. The high school social studies teacher is still there, and was working with the two pedo teachers who have been recently arrested.

Actually arresting the teachers is a HUGE step forward. I doubt they'll be convicted, but just an arrest is a big step forward from what I experienced as a teen in the 1980s and 1990s when I grew up in the Midwest.

So if it turns out that Libby was being catfished by one pedo and murdered by another pedo and the two pedos weren't working together, I wouldn't really be surprised.

You have no idea how bad it is in some areas. If there's been a generational history of just letting people get away with abuse because it's too uncomfortable to deal with (and probably more than a little "well them teen gurls sure is purty" attitude) then there's almost inevitably a huge systemic problem that's never been addressed.

I think r138 asked some good questions, too.

My suspicion is that the guy wasn't expecting Abby to be there, too, that he was just there for Libby, and possibly planned on "just" abusing the girl, then panicked and murdered them because he didn't want to be identified.

r203 nope.

Posing the bodies and taking trophies is far beyond "panic and murder." It speaks to the nature of this killer. Panic killers have a far more disorganized crime scene.

We don't know that he did either of those things, r204.

[quote] I microwaved some corn chips with shredded colby jack and had two slices of toast with butter and jelly.

I vote we change DeeighAnn to DoughAnn.

Ya'll, I just punched in, and it's gonna be a brutal day! TG for the Hubs, who dropped off Brayden and Ovaltine at the Charter School and for bringing me back a Vent-eye Apple crisp oatmilk brown sugar latte with 3 squirts of the Pumpkin.

I can now reveal Dee-Anne Leigh and myself have uncovered some unshakeable truths regarding the evil doings in the Delphi Metro area.

We have strong speculations, the perp met the two teens on the J.O.B. at the CVS, as the two youth victims would visit frequently, spending pocket money on things like Maybelline Eye Shadow°, Twizzlers Brand Candy°, carbonated beverages such as the Mello Yello°, them blue chew penis pills, and other such-like products we will be discussing on our new podcast "True Crime & Box Wine".

Our perp began to friend request the victims on the Snapchat, posing as a supple young Guatemalan boy named Juvetino who had access to Seagrams wine coolers°, which appeal to the teenager girls nowadays.

He then set up a meet and greet on that faithful winters day, so many years ago. RIP. Dee-Anne Leigh,myself, and Dee-Anne Leigh's pug, Pooterlicious, will be on hand later for a lunchtime Q&A, sponsored by the Panaira Bread. God Bless!!

[quote] Enough with these rumors from the rumor mills.

Can we talk about rumors from other sources?

R205

Investigators have long believed the individual in the video participated in the murders.

The girls’ bodies were discovered on property owned by Ron Logan, about 1,400 feet from Logan’s residence. “A large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene,” according to the search warrant. Because of the amount of blood, investigators believed the perpetrator would have gotten blood on their hands or clothing.

The murderer likely took a souvenir from the crime scene, according to the document, and it “appeared the girls’ bodies were moved and staged.” The redacted search warrant didn’t specify what was missing and noted that the “rest of their clothing was recovered.” There were no signs of a “struggle or fight.”

Moved and staged doesn't mean posed, though. They could mean staged as in trying to hide where they were really killed, or hidden, or something along those lines. The idea that they were posed in some kind of tableaux has taken hold in the discussion threads but I don't think we know enough to say that's definitely what happened.

Exactly, R210. Authorities have said that the bodies were STAGED, not posed. However, R189's bigger point still stands; both posing and staging would raise red flags about possible previous experience in such crimes.

Dee-Anne Leigh, Crystal Jo…Did you go to one of those fancy criming schools or did you done learn everything you need from those TV documentary shows CSI and Criminal Minds?

Heh ^^^

Joking aside, the main reason I’ve “followed” this case (no, I’m not on WS) is the video and audio. I mentioned on the Omen thread that found footage has always fascinated me, so this case is very haunting, IMO. And in this day and age, I don’t understand how people think they’re not going to get caught. It may be five years but a digital footprint is too damning.

[quote]both posing and staging would raise red flags about possible previous experience in such crimes

Sure, but until we know posing the bodies actually happened with this murder, it's only speculation.

I don't mind someone saying that they suspect the girls were posed and that a souvenir was taken. What I mind is someone insisting "No! He took a souvenir! He posed them! This means he's killed before!"

DeeAnneLeighAnn & Crystal Joad received their double Majors in Snapped/Dateline and their Masters in Forensic Files,Thank Y’all Very Much for asking!

Yeah your whole post about R189's bigger point means fucking nothing cause we don't know that the bodies were posed and staged. This is why people hate websites that talk about crime, the smug certainty that shit absolutely happened when we have no proof that it did. It's embarassing.

[qoute] The agent suspected a souvenir had been taken by the killer and that it was common for perpetrators to memorialize the crime scene with pictures.

The FBI agent said investigators did recover fibers and unidentified hairs at the crime scene

Unattractive girls killed by an unattractive guy. There is a reason this was never a DL fave like Davey Blackburn or Jimmay. I just can't make myself care about this.

I can’t for the life of me tell the difference between posing & staging

The cases that get popular on DL these days are the ones where the mentally ill 4chan and Kiwifarms interlopers can really thrive. The PA snow shoveling case was full of people who wrote completely sane and totally normal Melancholy Gay (tm) fanfic, and also got itty bitty erections over the fact that a mouthy woman was murdered. Same with Davey Blackburn and Shannan Watts. They got a different kind of semi-turgidness over the North Dakota mass murders, where they thought it was super sane and also appropriate to contact someone involved in the murders and try to lure him to their homes so they can fuck him.

The only exception to this I can think of is the lesbian who was murdered in an Atlanta park, and that thread started out being flooded with the same 4chan KF types who were sure the murderer was a black man and tried to make political hay out of it, and when that didn't pan out, they abandoned the thread.

You'll notice that the "you're all fraus" guy never shows up in those threads. He only shows up in the threads about crimes that are deemed not important enough by people like r218.

Well, you've come to the right place, R219!

Stand by and one of our DL guest detectives will educate you about it to it as soon as she finishes poring over her feed of keyword "pedo" Google News Alerts.

(^*about it)

Excuuuse me for the typo, I was up late last night online, pretending to be a twelve year old girl in a sex dungeon chat for nine hours, (just trying to trap pedos), (and between that and the T-2 D, my eyes don't work right) 🤪

Yes R220! you get it, so you can see why this doesn't appeal to the semi turgid here in DL land. It's flaccid, it does nothing. Maybe some people can hang on the every word of self proclaimed experts and ask all about the posing and the staging and the rumors about wife beating, etc but most people are going to the thread about the kids who killed their teacher.

The "you're all fraus" guy is a misogynistic loser like the suspected killer in this case and types just as unattractive and ignorant. He and the killer would probably enjoy each other's company immensely.

Staged/posed: tell me why you think these verbs are not similar. It means that the killer didn't leave the bodies in the place he originally killed them. Even if it means he dragged them from one place to another, next to each other...staged is the equivalent of posed.

Also, LE has already said he took items from the girls, which equals HE TOOK A TROPHY.

Sheesh, why are you all trying to rage against the obvious? I really think these days people just want to be argumentative in spite of sometimes the evidence to the contrary.

I'm not raging, r225. Why are YOU so angry?

The cops have not definitively said he took trophies. What we know is that the warrant for searching Ron Logan's place included a cop saying she thought that the murderer may have taken a souvenir and she would find something in Logan's home.

That is a FAR cry from saying that the killer absolutely took trophies. Even if we know for certain he took items, we don't know if they were trophies. Could have been because he was getting rid of evidence. We just don't know. Saying that we don't know yet shouldn't make you angry.

Local journalist:

"@MaxLewisTV

Since Friday, when news of an arrest in the Delphi murder investigation broke, state police told me tonight they have received more than 200 tips and they’re still coming in. As was said yesterday, the investigation is ongoing.

We went to Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s hometown today and talked with people who’ve know him and his family for decades. They said he was the nicest guy and they can’t believe what he’s being accused of. One man told me if he’s guilty “he should fry.”

There will be a hearing on November 22nd at 9 am to determine whether or not the court documents surrounding Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen will remain sealed."

He took items from the scene. Those are trophies, doofus.

"staged is the equivalent of posed."

No. "Staged" refers to WHERE the bodies are, while "posed" refers to the bodies themselves.

Link or STFU, r228.

And don't give me any fucking link with "police think he LIKELY took items" or anything like that. Link to a legit source that says the killer DID take items and those items were trophies.

Fuck off r229 - why are you splitting hairs? what is your end game? why are you constantly trying to end the prosecution of Richard Allen? Are you family?

I'll give that they haven't outright said the girls' bodies were posed, but it has certainly been inferred by many LE, and if you don't see that, you're not very knowledgeable about crime scenes/serial killers.

Items taken from the girls, CHECK. Moved and positioned from original crime/death scene, CHECK.

Stop trying to make this as just a "weird murder."

It wasn't. This wasn't just a one-off killing. It's a serial crime.

[quote]why are you constantly trying to end the prosecution of Richard Allen?...Stop trying to make this as just a "weird murder."

Woah woah woah, r229 did no such thing. Back off with this kind of talk, asshole.

[quote]I'll give that they haven't outright said the girls' bodies were posed, but it has certainly been inferred by many LE, and if you don't see that, you're not very knowledgeable about crime scenes/serial killers.

Who are the "many LE" who have implied that these girls were moved and trophies were taken? Names please.

"Staged" is like when a murderer tries to make the crime scene (house) appear as if a burglar had done the killing. Hence, pulled-out drawers, etc. In reality, the murderer came in to murder, not to burglarize.

Just please, people, keep in mind that the FBI agent who said they thought the bodies were "moved and staged" and that a souvenir may have been taken was writing this for the warrant for Ron Logan's home, and Logan turned out to not be involved in the murders. The same agent said Logan was physically able to kill the girls and that his voice was "not inconsistent" with that on the video, because they were making a case for the murderer being Logan, but it wasn't.

These were "possibly" statements in a warrant for a suspect who turned out to not be involved. Let's stop acting like these are absolutes.

We may very well find out the girls were posed and trophies were taken, but we don't know that as fact right now.

I'm peacing out on this thread. You people are stupid. You're not seeing the forest for the trees.

"It wasn't. This wasn't just a one-off killing. It's a serial crime."

I happen to agree with you on this, R231, even though you just told me to fuck off for simply pointing out the difference between staging and posing. I highly doubt that this is the first murder Richard Allen committed, though of course there is no proof of that... yet.

[quote]r225 Staged/posed: tell me why you think these verbs are not similar. It means that the killer didn't leave the bodies in the place he originally killed them. Even if it means he dragged them from one place to another, next to each other...staged is the equivalent of posed.

Just an Armchair Clarice Starling here, but I think the terms are different.

STAGED: the body is moved/rearranged to give the impression something else happened (or the death took place somewhere new.) A strangled person then hung from the rafters with a kicked over chair has been staged to look like a suicide.

POSED: the body is arranged in such a way as to convey an emotional message. A body that has had its legs unnaturally opened and its hand pointing to a battered grandfather clock has been posed. There is some statement in the posing that means something to the killer. (“Grandpa molested me,” perhaps.) The message could only be subconsciously known to the killer… it doesn’t have to be set out as a blatant clue. They just know the pose gratifies them in some way.

Posing is like symbolism of something else, while staging is trying to actually be something else.

But there’s overlap in language. You could say “the bodies were arranged to form an eternity symbol” when it might be more accurate to state “the bodies were posed to form an eternity symbol.”

[quote]r231 why are you constantly trying to end the prosecution of Richard Allen?

I have a very nice former colleague with this name. Usually reporters will use a suspect’s middle name as well, so the public doesn’t focus on the wrong person.

I guess this particular Richard Allen suspect doesn’t have a middle name.

His middle name is Matthew.

Well, ya'll, our dayslong full investigation has taken a surprising turn. Me and my colleagues spent the afternoon theorizing and the like ( we call it "clue-clutching" lol) when Brynda Rae (our doxxer and transpo expert) brought up something that has given us much speculation.

Brynda Rae just loves her some "Pawn Stars" on the history Channel, and seems to think shop owner bears a strong, strong, resemblance to Bridge Fellow, sounds like him, and is often seen wearing one of them faggy British driving caps.

Now: The BIG BIZZOMBSHELL! The suspect in custody.. his first name is also Rick! This can't be a coincidence!! I'm being forreal for real! Many sleuths on the Reddit have upvoted are new theory.

We're gonna go with this new lead, all night if we have to. Firing up the Keurig RN! Keep those tips rolling in! Email me @ hazeleyedZimagirl@hotmail.com

R235 Okay then, see you later! I'm pretty sure there's only 4 people talking about this here to begin with, so yeah, go to a more populated board about it.

Do any of you all ever have this sexual fantasy where your standin at your air fryer just starin at it waitin for the buzzer to go off so you can gobble down your Aldi nuggets, and your back is to the door and your so focussed on the air fryer that you don't hear a pedo creep into your house and take you from behind? And you'd be all like "Oh no no, not in my hiney!" Kinda like Ms Lindsey Graham?

Has the manner of death ever been stated? The type of weapon used? This case is so boring...

No, R242, they haven't said how the girls were killed nor the weapon(s) used in their murders.

The case is light on details, obviously, but two eighth-grade girls murdered in broad daylight on a Monday afternoon in hicksville Indiana isn't dull. It's fucking weird. For five+ years I've wondered what the fuck happened out there and we are *this close* to finding out.

R242- It was a knife or bladed weapon.

I read a text once from one of the relatives that was shared on Reddit, and I am it was clearly legit. Most agreed.

One of the girls was nearly decapitated I believe and fared much worse (I believe it was Abigail)

Seems like a horrid place to live on every level, but those girls did not deserve that fate.

I hope one day some of the details/motive is revealed. Alot of people are feeling that there is someone else involved, but who knows.

[quote] Davey Blackburn

Where did that case go to? He was such a suspicious character.

He's fucking remarried R245! and got away with it, too!

Good old Pastor Davey and his looooooong phone call in the car! I was sure they'd come up with something to stitch him up, the sanctimonious prick, but no luck.

Still, in these days of DNA and genealogical magic, who knows when the bell may toll for P-Dave? Let the EAR/ONS/Golden State Killer fucktard give us hope.

R244, I still confuse them sometimes but I believe that while the rumors have Abigail as seriously wounded in the neck, the most brutal physical damage done was to the bigger girl, Liberty. We'll know soon, just not soon enough.

Whatchall eatin tonight?

Not pussy, that's for sure!

Corndogs and funnel cakes.

[Quote] I still confuse them sometimes but I believe that while the rumors have Abigail as seriously wounded in the neck, the most brutal physical damage done was to the bigger girl, Liberty. We'll know soon, JUST NOT SOON ENOUGH.

Fucking sickos, what do you get out of this? Do you think you helped crack the case or something? What do get out of reading your pedo and snuff shit all day and night? Is it a kink of yours? Sure seems like, very Briar Rabbit.

Fuck all of you who have made this brutal slaying of 2 young girls into a joke by claiming that anyone who cares enough to really think it through is a fat woman and that fat women don't have value or intelligence. Some of us have been waiting years for a break in the case and really care and want to talk about it for many reasons. We have been waiting. We have had these girls in our minds, haunting us for years. Think about yourself as a victim and how society would react: Truth be told, if you were murdered tonight, your case would probably be a cold case that no one in society would give a damn about but some kind women who are strangers to you and want justice enough to donate their time to keep your case alive. Go ahead, make fun of these women while saying nothing bad about the killer.

I'm doing cheese and crackers for an appetizer, then a ham and cheese sandwich for dinner with three Diet Big K's. I broke my keto this morning when I forgot I was on a diet and accidently drunk half a cup of vanilla Coffeemate so I said the hell with it, so I'll start over tomorrow. Words to live by. I keep telling everyone who listens that I want "There's always tomorrow!" ingraved on my headstone when the lord takes me.

With that huggy face emoji at the end of my quote. Do you think they can get that on there?

This is the other midwest missing girls case that has been on my radar since it happened in 2012. There’s no way Richard Allen was involved, but I can’t help but wonder if the circumstances surrounding whoever did this are similar.

MARY!

Who needs to say anything bad about the killer? Isn't it implicit that no one likes child murderers or are you that fucking dumb? See, decent people already know that they don't need to parade around saying they don't like killers.

Is this your service, your tribute to these girls, to sit on your ass foaming at the mouth as you wait to hear every excruciating detail of their deaths? [Quote] We have had these girls in our minds, haunting us for years.

Yes, you're the REAL victim. Hoist yourself up on that cross.

I’m having leftover steak and a freshly baked potato. I don’t know about the other veg. Maybe carrots.

R256 You lack self awareness and sound lonely as if you have a high BMI and low T. You wouldn't be talking this way if it were 2 young males killed. Why don't you focus on your own fat ass, MARY.

[quote] Fucking sickos,

Hidee ho, neighbor!

[quote] what do you get out of this?

Nothing. What are you getting out of this? Just a random opportunity to vent your bile?

[quote] Do you think you helped crack the case or something?

Nope. Do you think you're protecting something or someone by attacking people on DL?

[quote] What do get out of reading your pedo and snuff shit all day and night?

You have an active fantasy life, dear. It's the same thing I get out of reading Eldergays threads, Political threads, Movie and music threads, and so on. It's just another thread on DL, it happens to be on a subject I've followed since Ted Bundy was active in the US so I know a bit more about that than other things but I don't know much about pedos and snuff matters. That may be your department.

[quote] Is it a kink of yours? Sure seems like, very Briar Rabbit.

Nope. Again, I bow to your obviously greater familiarity and interest in pedo and snuff issues. Is there anything you'd like to know about serial murder patterns for the past 50 years in America?

I'm not clear on why this case being discussed on the DL distresses you so much and I'm not qualified to assist you with it in a casual setting online. I suggest you seek professional counselling. We've had threads on famous and infamous murder cases on the DL for over 25 years, ever since I started coming here. It's not an issue the Datalounge goes mental over, however it's clearly struck some sort of personal nerve for you. Good luck getting that seen to, perhaps not inserting yourself and getting involved in threads that upset you would be a good start. Just a caring suggestion.

Oh YOU'RE the one who says you're been a DLer for 25 years and W&Ws your own posts! I remember you.

You're just going to have to block the dude who keeps trying to derail the thread with his various "frau" shit. I know it sucks because he has multiple accounts, but ignoring is all you can do. Talking to him or arguing with him just makes him worse.

Datalounge has a lot of users who spend their lives obsessing over how everyone else is wrong about everything, and a few have gone so far overboard with that they are now emotionally attached to the board, and they try to drive others off and control what they care about and what they say. There's nothing to do but ignore them.

Serious question... How are people able to wrap their identity up with things like this? For years? It seems so narcissistic.

Please define "wrap their identity up with things like this" so that we can answer your question if it seems reasonable.

Off the top of my head, I take an interest in serial murder and unusual murders in general at about the same level as I take an interest in medieval history, cave paintings, Italian mosaics and somewhat more than I'm interested in Indian cookery, although the latter is probably more useful.

I'm a person, I have a life, I have interests. They are not your interests. What of it?

[quote]Some of us have been waiting years for a break in the case and really care and want to talk about it for many reasons. We have been waiting. We have had these girls in our minds, haunting us for years.

Oh, honey…did you take a wrong turn on your way to Webseluths? This is Datalounge, Gurl. And, Cupcake, thank the lord there are actual law enforcement working on this case cause I read your posts and, girl, you suck at this.

R263- Beyond normal human morbid curiosity and/or empathy. To the point that their lives are on hold. What happened to these kids is a tragedy, and I get feeling a kind of third-person sadness at knowing it happened. But to be "haunted" by the lack of resolution? For years?

Perhaps you got too hung up on that poster's phrasing. No doubt her life has continued over the past five plus years with the Delphi case coming up from time to time and her wondering about it. I've thought about it, wondered about it many times over the past five plus years too and my life hasn't been on hold.

Since they just caught the murderer less than a week ago and it turns out to be the local shift manager at the only drugstore in town who everyone knew, with the usual 'such a nice guy it's shocking" and so on, it's more on people's minds than it would usually be. It stuck in my head that the girls were killed just before Valentine's Day. Normally the date of a murder doesn't stick but this one did. For five plus years I've thought about Delphi and those girls the second week of February.

Delphi is just one of those unsolved cases that everyone knows should be solved but isn't. Like JonBenet Ramsey's murder (all due respect to Mrs Patsy Ramsey, formerly of Boulder, CO). They stick with you for a long time, sometimes for many years.

How long were we, as a country, consumed by every facet of the OJ Simpson case? It's kind of weird to be fascinated by murder but it's not that weird in the scope of human nature and what interests us.

Ah, the serial WWer is back.

2 things just occurred to me ... 1st was I bet you Pastor Davey walked into the house,saw his wife was grievously injured,then went back out to his car and hoped she would die. 2nd was I wonder if the girls followed his directions because they knew him ? I always wondered why they seemed so passive,that could explain it.

He was licensed to carry a concealed handgun, R268, and I'm sure he had it with him. They were two eight grade girls.

R264 Gosh, honey, I didn't mean to trigger you, but I see I did. Did that "degree" you earned work out so well that you're still attempting to control people's behavior on DL because you feel so insecure about your "education" and lack of critical thinking skills? Or is it that your theories weren't so well received and the degree didn't make you the expert you imagined yourself to be? Why are you so threatened by people's theories that you attempt to attack them personally? This is a free country. People can have interests and theories different from yours. Meanwhile, your "interests" are confined to policing people's comments on DL and attacking them personally by comparing them to your unfortunate mother and her emotionally disordered eating habits.

This thread has become boring AF. Is there any new info?

What a strange statement from the judge.

[quote]Just so the world knows. The Carroll Circuit Court consists of me, Benjamin A. Diener, the judge. My court reporter was hired Friday and began Monday. My bailiff answers the phone, has no experience and no knowledge about legal process. Thankfully, there is a Court Administrator that has experience, but she has duties regarding Carroll Circuit and Carroll Superior Courts. That is it. So. I am begging for some assistance to shield me, the Court, from this storm so that I, the Court, can keep running the Court.

I don't think that's strange at all. The court has four employees and they're overwhelmed.

Does the judge have legal basis for keeping the probable cause affidavit sealed? Or is he just caving in to what the prosecutor wants? If he felt secure that the law was on his side, he wouldn't need to be complaining about being short-staffed and overwhelmed.

Of course, law enforcement & the prosecutor would like more evidence to pour in. But by now, if Allen is charged, they should feel that they have enough evidence to convict. (The prosecutor's reason for wanting the PC affidavit sealed, IIRC, was so that more tips could pour in.)

[quote] If he felt secure that the law was on his side, he wouldn't need to be complaining about being short-staffed and overwhelmed.

What?

R275, the law about keeping court documents sealed. There's a certain legal criteria for sealing something (keeping it non-public). In general, court documents are public, not sealed.

Is this judge's decision to keep the PC affidavit sealed grounded in the law?

I'm not super familiar about the law about sealing documents, so I don't know. I'm guessing that he's not feeling secure about his decision & there's lots of pressure from the press / media to unseal the PC affidavit.

[quote] This thread has become boring AF.

Indeed

There are so few people in these flyoverstans and no one thought it might be the perv who doesn’t charge for developing kiddie photos???

They weren't kiddie photos. They were photos of the funeral service. The family interpreted it as an act of kindness. I wonder if he meant the gesture as some creepy amends.

Rule 6: Excluding Other Court Records From Public Access.

(A) In extraordinary circumstances, a Court Record that otherwise would be publicly accessible may be excluded from Public Access by a Court having jurisdiction over the record. A verified written request to prohibit Public Access to a Court Record may be made by any person affected by the release of the Court Record. The request shall demonstrate that:

(1) The public interest will be substantially served by prohibiting access;

(2) Access or dissemination of the Court Record will create a significant risk of substantial harm to the requestor, other persons or the general public; or

(3) A substantial prejudicial effect to on-going proceedings cannot be avoided without prohibiting Public Access.

Thanks, R280. I think the media will sue and the court will be forced to unseal the records.

Wow, it seems like Judge Diener has had it! Buncha bloodthirsty ghouls. (I keep keep checking for updates too, soo...)

From the link above at r282.

[quote]UPDATE: Judge Diener has recused himself from the Allen case. Judge Fran Gull of Allen County will step into the role. This is the state issued to the media regarding this decision.

It was out of order for Judge Diener to air the lack of staffing and publicly whine about feeling overwhelmed.

Plus, he was bitching about his bailiff not knowing anything.

It's bumfuck Indiana and the judge couldn't handle the pressure of a big media case. His public whining aside, it's fine and I don't blame him.

This case is going to be wall-to-wall for months, maybe as long as a year, maybe even longer. Get some extra help to handle the extra workload while it's going on, that seems reasonable regardless of the judge

It would help if they fed the jackals. The press and the public have been waiting for five years. Unless they have other suspects dangling on the line, go ahead and give the press/public the details of this case. Richard Allen is the guy - that's for sure. Throw him to the wolves.

[quote]The judge also criticized people for demanding information about the case.

This judge is full of shit. The case against Allen is THE PEOPLE vs Richard Allen. The prosecutor works for THE PEOPLE, who have a right to know the facts about the charges being brought against Allen on their behalf.

There are reasons for prosecutors to seal otherwise public court documents. Good reasons. This case probably has some good reasons for the prosecutors to do that but the hearing to open those documents (as is usual) has already been scheduled. I forget the date but it's fairly soon. The court is then highly likely to unseal them so I hope the investigators get what they need between now and then.

This case has too much attention to shut everything down and continue to keep everything close to the vest for the cops and sealed for the the prosecutors. That said, if the court keeps the seal on there is some bad craziness going on that we have no clue about it. International child pron and shit like that, it's got to be really awful and they must have good reason to keep it sealed.

Doug Carter did give out thanks to their "International Partners" for their help in his remarks during the quickie press conference officially announcing the arrest on Monday. Maybe it's something to do with their efforts? In that case it could have more to do with Kegan Kline than Richard Allen. There are a lot of pervs in Delphi Indiana.

Judge Whiner is a pussy. I'm glad he's out of the case.

Still waiting on an update from Crystal-Jo!

Butcha are Crystal Jo, R288. Ya are!

R288 I didn't realize how close this characterization was. It's barely parody. I made the mistake of going over to one of the Reddit forums for this case and sweet baby lord Jesus... The number of posters outdoing each other for how many sleepless nights this has caused them, how they think about the girls *constantly*, how they can't stop replaying normal events that must have happened in the girls' lives (prior to the attacks) in their heads... It's unsettling. -r262

He has killed before, bet on it. There never was any doubt in my mind about that from the very beginning. Ted Bundy killed two women on same day, but even he never abducted two victims at the same time. He took one victim, tied her up and left her. He then returned to Lake Sam and abducted the second women and killed them both together. This guy has done this before. As far as posing their bodies, it is said that they were posed in such a way as to shock and horrify the investigators . That reminds me of Danny Rollins, The Gainesville Ripper. He posed one of his victims on her back , lying on her bed with her feet and legs touching the floor. He decapitated her and posed her head on a mantle so it appeared she was looking down at her body lying on the bed. Sick, sick motherfucker. He was executed on Florida's death row a few years ago. That wasn't his first time killing either.

Crystal-Jo your insight is desperately needed.

Judge Hissy Fit is a real piece of work.

There are multiple posters here who have called you fraus and channeled DeighAnne. I was one, I don't know the others.

It's laughable that you're so far up your own ass that you apparently believe only ONE poster here finds you detestable. You're gross and you're ghouls who make these poor girls' deaths about you.

r276, I think the judge was talking about the media attention and all the work that goes into answering calls and dealing with visiting reporters. I don't think their comment had anything to do with the sealed indictment.

[quote]They weren't kiddie photos. They were photos of the funeral service.

They may have been photos FOR the funeral service, copies made from digital files (which Walgreen's does, I assume CVS does too) so they could put physical photos up at the service.

Either way, I'd bet RA kept copies of some of the photos for himself. That may have even been something found at his home during the search. I know a trial isn't going to happen for a long time but I'm really curious to find out about what evidence they had, find out more about the photos being developed (if anything), all that kind of stuff.

@ R100---Dead eyes guy with an Oh, shit! expression.

Joseph DeAngelo burgled/raped/killed near his home.

Most killers kill near their home. That poster is just wrong.

So are we icing this thread til more news is released?

R279, your post was interesting to me because you wondered if him not charging the family for the photos was a gesture of kindness or remorse. I think the opposite. I think he got a sick and sadistic thrill at the comedy of him giving the family free pictures. “I gave them free photos, so we’re even now.” I think it gave him pleasure to do that because it reinforced that he holds the power.

I really want to know more about the international partners, but I have a feeling we won’t know anything else for at least a year.

My question is why it took KK so long to turn on him, if that is how LE finally caught him. Hasn't he been incarcerated for awhile now?

R301 KK likely was not involved at all. That's a frau Reddit fantasy and obsession.

R294…I’d even go as far as to say that at least one of the ghouls has sock puppet accounts.

Initially, he did, R298. Once he was identified as the East Area Rapist, he expanded his territory south to other N. California cities and eventually killed in S. California.

Which is... the same state.

So, the old man who died of COVID had no involvement in this case? KK? My apologies, but this case has been very confusing.

R306 Correct, they don't think he did it. Of course, this new arrested person hasn't been convicted yet. So let's see what the evidence is.

Ron Logan was a suspect but he wasn't involved in the case. He died in custody because, while he was a suspect for the murders, it was discovered he'd violated probation, which is how he ended up in jail. My guess is that he lied about an alibi because of probation violations, and the cops mistakenly believed he lied because he was the murderer.

Personally, I don't think KK was involved at all. I think what happened is that he was catfishing a whole bunch of underage girls and was caught because he'd contacted Libby at some point. From there, cops knew he wasn't the murderer, mostly because he weighs about 200 lbs more than the guy in the video, so they decided his father TK was the most likely suspect. If you read the interrogation notes that were released, you can tell the police were trying hard to get KK to implicate TK, but he never took the bait.

Also, I don't think he would have agreed to meet up with Libby, as some have speculated. The theory is that he set up a meeting with Libby and she brought Abby along with her, and the girls expected to meet the cute guy KK was pretending to be, but RA showed up instead. But KK weighs 400 lbs and doesn't look anything like the cute guy. He's not going to meet up with anyone. Can you imagine if he even tried? I think his grift was strictly online, and he just happened to be catfishing a girl who ended up being murdered.

Also, I suspect the recent drop of some charges against KK reflects the fact that the police had stacked a bunch of charges on him, hoping he'd flip on his father TK, and now that they got RA, they don't need those extra charges anymore.

Final thought: I'm convinced that they accidentally stumbled on RA as a suspect. That's probably why they were so unprepared that they waited a whole weekend before holding the press conference, and why the court was so unprepared, too.

That photo of his daughter on the bridge is chilling. She looks just like one of the victims.

[QUOTE]Judge [bold]Fran[/bold] Gull

God, I hope she's a lesbian who DL can cast in the movie.

The "international partners" does support the idea of an extensive CP ring. Remember when Elliott Stabler traveled to the Czech Republic?

"KK likely was not involved at all. That's a frau Reddit fantasy and obsession."

You really think it's a coincidence that KK was brought OUT OF PRISON to assist L.E. in the search of the river, then a few weeks later Rick Allen was charged with two counts of murder, then JUST DAYS later 5 very serious charges against KK were dropped? Someone is "fantasizing", but it ain't the fraus on Reddit.

KK was involved in some way. Quit with the "fraus from reddit" bullshit. He's involved.

Maybe the judge also wanted the trial moved because there are more local residents he knows personally who were involved?

Seems like the judge (Diener) couldn't handle the stress. I posted above, not knowing that the hearing re: unsealing the probable cause affidavit had not yet happened. Media were bugging the court to unseal, but they just have to wait for the hearing.

[quote]You really think it's a coincidence that KK was brought OUT OF PRISON to assist L.E. in the search of the river, then a few weeks later Rick Allen was charged with two counts of murder, then JUST DAYS later 5 very serious charges against KK were dropped?

We don't know that he was let out for the river search. I agree that it's likely but the police have not confirmed.

Also, the search was in Peru near the Nickel Plate Trail Bridge, and went west to US-31, which makes it a long way from the bridge in Delphi. It's close to where the Klines live but it's not anywhere near Delphi. It could really have been a coincidence, though I understand a lot of people not only won't even consider that thought, but will get pissy and angry if you suggest it.

I just realized that Doug Carter was asked if the Wabash River search revealed information that led them to drop some charges against Kline, and he said no, absolutely not.

I remember this datalounge thread from when the bodies were initially found. Some poster on there swore their psychic friend could describe the killer. Almost everything that “psychic” visualized was way off the mark. DL poster with psychic friend- are you still with us?

I remember this datalounge thread from when the bodies were initially found. Some poster on there swore their psychic friend could describe the killer. Almost everything that “psychic” visualized was way off the mark. DL poster with psychic friend- are you still with us?

Can you at least tell us the number of the post, R319?

The psychic visions were posted all over the thread

Frankly, who cares, if the "pyschic" was all wrong?

I know this has been mentioned before, but how creepy Liberty looked like his daughter.

What kinda of sick shit is that. Wonder if sexually assaulted his daughter

Well, ya'll DeAnne-Leigh, Rhonda Ruth, and myself have been "clue clutching" over some chilled Franzia, and have reached some startling contusions!

Does Rick Allen (the one-armed drummer for the British rock band Def Leopard) have an alibi for the day of the murder??!

I have been combing the Reddit only to find out he was in the Northwest at the time of the Killers, touring with Journey, well.. not the real Journey, the Journey with that teeny tiny Filipino pretending he's Steve Perry. I find it sus as HELL he just HAPPENS to share a name with the arrested CVS fella????? I have been trying to Facebook-Time the Scotland Yard all dang day with this crucial new suppository.

Come to find out, there are other sus Rock N Rollers from Indiana, such as Axl Rose, John Cougar Melonchamp, and Janet Jackson, these people need to be question on there whereabouts in Feb 2017. Contraryan to popular belief, they don't all live on the Sunset Strip!

Rhonda Ruth maintains theirs no way a one-armed pasty brit could've pulled this off, but as usual my brill Hubs, Bohannon, that Rick Allen has been pounding those drums with his one arm for so dang long, those muscles are like iron straps, and he could've easily propositioned the crime scene. So let's not take it for granite he can't pull that off.

If the law don't release some new info soon, we're gonna have to deep dive into that John-Bennay thing, again. Podcast is cookin n almost ready! God Bless!!

R324 is not funny Not one bit

Aww, number r325, that's just not Christian. Maybe if you romp down on some Latino wieners tonight, you'll feel better?

You can always then the frau posters by their "KK" "RA" "AW" and "LG". Just write the name you lazy cunts!

[quote]Almost everything that “psychic” visualized was way off the mark.

Ladies…you’re all terrible sleuths. My guess is that’s why you’re here. You’re so bad at this that Websleuths and Reddit want nothing to do with you.

He's trying to upset people on purpose and derail the thread out of spite, r325. Again, you just have to ignore him.

It's curious that the thread r319 linked from years ago has someone making the same "frau" comments as they are here, and the person doing that is also someone who spammed the Pennsylvania snow shoveling murders threads with weird (and strangely rage-filled) theories, but I doubt many here are surprised by that. We all know that someone with a delightfully undermedicated mental illness has been trolling the true crime threads for a long time.

[quote]He's trying to upset people on purpose and derail the thread out of spite, [R325]. Again, you just have to ignore him.

Nah, he’s doing a pretty good approximation of you gals. You legitimately come across like Crystal-Jo and that’s what makes it so funny (and a bit sad).

Can someone summarize what evidence there is against him? Thank you

We don't know. Just have to wait and find out.

What a creepy, desolate place to die. This reporter describes how trapped she felt on that bridge and having a sense of evil about the place.

There's certainly some bad juju around Monon High Bridge now, who knows how it used to feel?

Crystal Jo is funny and I'm a true crime geek of many years standing. I was interested in it for many years before Datalounge, way before Reddit, since back in the 70's/80's when Ted was getting his freak on and serial murder seemed to be exploding in America. Then it turned into bad tv shows and became it's own bad writing jandra and I lost interest.

Now I'm sort of interested again but I keep my distance. I've teased the websleuths and reddit ladies because they can be so fucking annoying sometimes but I'm not the "Crystal Jo" guy. The annoyance comes from the "tots and pears" and "those poor precious babies" shit that comes around here sometimes. Pastor Davey is one thing, he was a lot of fun. "Poor precious angels" is right out - Muriel should put a ban on the phrase. I don't fault the ladies for their interest in true crime, it's the delivery style that doesn't work here. Perhaps it works better for them on Reddit. Reddit itself can be useful for gathering rumors and loose talk about a case. It's not an actual place to gather information.

R334- Then Websleuths would absolutely make you feel nauseated , lol. " Precious baby!" It doesn't come off as genuine to me. I became fascinated with true crime when I was around 11 years old. I secretly read my mother's copy of Helter Skelter .From the on I devoured true crime books, movies, etc. A few years ago most serial killers such as Bundy just begin to bore me or maybe I was just burned out on it. I am still interested in some cases and the Delphi case is one of them.

I'm blocking all the "you're all fraus" and "Crystal Jo" posters on this thread including R334 immediately: I want to discuss crime and theories and am sick of all this derailment, including the tired, overplayed, hate-filled "humor" that keeps invading the discussion and derailing anything of interest. Hopefully, we can get back to sharing theories openly and have a real discussion about the crime without being harassed and derailed once certain posters are blocked. I will make sure to block their sock puppets as well. They have invaded and derailed too many crime threads with their unfunny humor and weak excuses for this "humor."

gee, 300+ posts! Can someone offer a summary? Was it an opportunity crime, or a deliberate setup?

I don't know what to make of Kegan Kline anymore. His catfishing account and Richard Allen "just happening by" at the place where the girls were supposed to meet Kline that day is too "coincidental" for me to believe it's coincidental at all. It may be but I have a hard time believing it.

I also have a hard time buying that the cops "accidentally stumbled" on Richard Allen over some stolen tools and he just happened to be the guy they've been looking for over the past five years. Especially with recent Wabash River searching and, presumably, finding.

My totally uninformed speculation is that Kline routinely sold his catfishing pictures to other pervs online to make some money. Some things found in the Wabash River searching may have been Kline's old phones or hard drives that he ditched there. I don't even know if it's possible to get anything out of technology so waterlogged but it may be, at least bits and pieces. That could account for "international partners" who found guys that "shopped" online for pron with Kline. One of the "shoppers" may have been Richard Allen and he was too close to ignore. It's possible the cops used some old "I think my cunt neighbor Richard Allen stole tools out of my garage" allegation/complaint to check Allen out and it turns out that he's their fucking monster.

How Allen knew the girls were supposedly meeting with Kegan Kline that day in Delphi I have no idea but, again, it's too "coincidental" for me.

Speculation - wondering - trying to see if any of what we know could make any sense put together.

Also, I KNOW NOTHING. I'm the Sergeant Schultz of the Datalounge.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

You banned ME R336? Humorless cunt.

Well good, since I'm r338 too and I put all my speculations and case discussion in that post I'm glad you won't get to read it. Neener neener neener.

You're a prissy, sanctimonious old cow. I much prefer a sprinkling of "Crystal Jo" and her wine coolers to your holier-true-crime-theorizing-than-thou.

Kegan Kline is involved up to his fat, dirty neck. He lured the girls to the bridge so Allen could kill them. I am starting to believe that this may really be a CP/trafficking/ child killing group of pedophiles.

If convicted, they should put RA in Gen Pop at the State Pen. I'd give him 2 hours, tops.

R338: "I also have a hard time buying that the cops 'accidentally stumbled' on Richard Allen over some stolen tools and he just happened to be the guy they've been looking for over the past five years."

I'm with you. Richard was smart enough keep his composure and hide in plain sight for five years, but then one day he was suddenly stupid enough to steal a tool from his neighbor's garage? Knowing that would bring the cops around? Nah, no way.

Wait, what is this tools thing? Probably something else made up by Reddit fraus. Also why do people keep saying that Kline is connected? Do we KNOW that the girls were meeting up with his anthony_shots profile or is that something else made up by Crystal Jo?

DeeDeighAnnBeth here, sorry Crystal Joan and I have been on bumping some hard victory puss in the Back of her coal black 25 foot Denali ( yes of course that’s what they’re for idiots)

Anyway it’s been a decade of lost jobs, ultra binge eating, emergency 🚨 room visits, prescriptionpalooza, neglected children ( so ironic, I knoooow!), divorces, gardener hookups etc etc Anyway, we’re going to push this KK thing and 💯 other suspects to try and get another decade out of this. Look for us on GMA & Good Morning Fraumerica.

Crystal Joad & I*

R338 good post and it sounds plausible. I listened to the transcript of Kegan Kline’s interrogation on Murder Sheet and I also have a hard time believing he or his father had no involvement, why the fuck was he searching “How long does DNA last?” when he fled right after the crime? He is connected in some way.

What bothers me about the Kline thing is that LE have probably followed up on hundreds, if not thousands of leads because they have to explore every avenue. There are plenty of catfishing creeps online so just because one of the girls was in contact with the account doesn't necessarily mean that there's a link to the murders.

Unless one of you can tell me how there's a direct link to the murders that LE have confirmed, it just looks like you girls got wind of one of the hundreds of leads that LE followed up on and have made way too much out of it.

Here is the transcript of Kline's police interview. He was grooming Libby.

R336 Has stated her boundaries.

R349 I know that people want this to be a pedo conspiracy ring (Pizzagate, QAnon, they're catnip) but it's pretty unlikely.

The man LE have arrested is a local man who lives 5 minutes away. It's more likely that he came across them and took the opportunity.

Couple things that are kind of odd about this. If I'm getting it right (my sources are a handful of posts from the reddit/websleuths fraus). 1. He is charged with two counts of FELONY murder. i.e. he's guilty of murder because someone died when he was committing a felony. If he was a serial killer type who killed them intentionally for his gratification, you'd expect it to just be plain old murder. Some of the frauen think this means he had an accomplice. Or rather, he WAS the accomplice, guilty of some other felony with a partner (eg kidnapping the girls) but not stabbing them himself. 2. The probable cause affadavit is sealed. Apparently this is unusual in a case like this? I'm not a lawyer. One line is speculation again is that someone else is involved and they don't want to reveal too much info before they have to, maybe because they're still trying to sort out their case against the other person. Most likely partner in crime would be that Kegan Kline who was catfishing them. i'm not a QAnon person who thinks everyone is a pedo networking with other pedos but I'm sure some of them communicate with each other and share photos etc. Maybe they were working together? Maybe Kline asked Allen to meet them at the bridge and tell them he was going to take them to the cute young guy they'd been chatting with? Surely Kline could play that role himself, but I guess the only real point of this theory is that there must be someone else involved and he's the most plausible. Or at least it seems that way. But one problem is that you'd expect KK to sell RA out immediately when he went to jail...maybe there's actually yet another creepazoid involved here.

I take that back. I mean Kline wasn't arrested for murder, so he's not going to say "yeah but Richard Allen was involved in killing them too!" He would just keep as quiet as possible and hope he's not charged with anything beyond the CP etc.

There isn't any indication that Kline was going to meet anyone in person.

The police were trying to get Kline to say that he was going to meet her, but they knew he wasn't the one who murdered them. He couldn't possibly have been Bridge Guy, because Bridge Guy does not weigh 450 lbs. So they were fishing for information.

If the police had an actual message from Kline to Libby about meeting at the bridge, they wouldn't have needed to keep questioning Kline about it. They would have KNOWN that a meeting had been set up. However, they very obviously did not know. They suspected, but they didn't have any proof, which is why they interrogated him.

Also, logistically, it doesn't make any sense. Kline doesn't look like the photos he used and he would scare ANY girl off the second they saw him, especially if they were expecting the hot ripped college boy they saw in photos. Once they ran, what was he going to do about it? Chase after them?

The cops were not subtle at all about trying to nail Kline for accessory to murder, and his own dad for murder. Kline would have given up Allen years ago if he knew Allen was involved. Any halfway decent attorney would have helped him get a plea deal for the info AND he would be saving his own hide and his father's from a potential murder conviction.

There is no scenario that explains Kline sitting in jail for two years and not telling the cops about Allen.

R352 Felony murder is charged when “killing someone while doing/attempting to do one of the following actions: kidnapping, rape, human trafficking, etc.”

Bridge Guy clearly was moving the girls from one area to another which I would guess comes under the legal definition of kidnapping at least.

^^^ What I mean by that is given the video, it's easier for cops to prove that Bridge Guy was trying to kidnap them. Easier than proving premeditated intent to murder. Just guessing. I am not a lawyer either!

I don’t buy that Richard Allen just happened upon them at the bridge carrying his gun and a large knife and decided to kidnap them on the spur of the moment. I thought Kegan HAD arranged to meet Libby at the bridge? It was in a transcript of him talking to another girl online.

R358

[quote]I don’t buy that Richard Allen just happened upon them at the bridge carrying his gun and a large knife

How do you know that he was carrying a gun and a large knife? Source please.

[quote]I thought Kegan HAD arranged to meet Libby at the bridge? It was in a transcript of him talking to another girl online.

Again, source please.

Amateur hour folks

Considering the girls were stabbed, it’s safe to assume he had a knife

R361 Source for that they were stabbed?

I mean, I don't doubt that he probably used a gun and/or a knife but so many people here are stating their opinions as fact..

Block and FF the Crystal Jo/Frau Trolls.

Clogging up the thread with creepy nonsense

Don't wear out your finger upvoting your posts!

They can't hear us DeeighAn, we got the whole thread to ourselfs 🤭

Not sure if I buy the stabbing theory since it was said to have been no signs of a fight or struggle.

R366- The only thing I know for sure is that the girls were stabbed.

R367 So why can't you provide a source confirming it? Again, it's a good hypothesis given that there was a lot of blood loss at the scene but I don't state my opinions as fact until it has been confirmed. That's what sucks about Redditors and leads to cases like the suicide of Sunil Tripathi.

[quote]In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing, Tripathi was one of several people misidentified as a suspect by users on social media. On April 16, 2013, one day after the bombings, Reddit users created a subreddit with the intention of consolidating the information surrounding the events of the bombings in an attempt to identify the culprits of the attack.[4] By Wednesday, April 17, over 3000 people had joined the subreddit in order to crowdsource the investigation of the evidence.[5] At 5:00 p.m. on April 18, the Federal Bureau of Investigation published photos of the suspects believed to be involved in the bombings.[6] Soon after, another Redditor named Sunil as a plausible suspect after asserting a resemblance between the suspects in the FBI's pictures and Sunil, who had gone missing a month before the bombings. Although this behavior violated the subreddit's rule that prohibited naming suspects without evidence, the moderators did not delete the post. To further the speculation behind Tripathi, a woman claiming to be his classmate tweeted that she too thought Tripathi resembled a suspect in the FBI's photographs.[7] Soon after the release of the photos, people began trying to contact the Tripathi family, through phone calls on ABC News, as well as angry messages on Tripathi's Facebook page, dedicated to finding Sunil.[8] At 11 p.m. on the same day, the real bombing suspects (Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev) shot and killed a police officer of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Police Department.[9] The following day at 2:45 a.m., a redditor tweeted: "BPD has identified the names: Suspect 1: Mike Mulugeta. Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi."[10] This caught the mainstream media's attention after BuzzFeed reporter Andrew Kaczynski shared a tweet that named Sunil as the primary suspect from his personal Twitter account.[10] According to the BBC, Tripathi had soon become the "standout suspect" on social media before the FBI identified the real suspects to be the Tsarnaev brothers.[11] Sunil was found dead on April 23.

Armchair detectives need to stick to what has been confirmed and keep an open mind about everything else. It's okay to speculate but stop stating unconfirmed things as fact. Rumors are not fact as well because as the case above proves people really do make things up online.

I cannot understand, almost six years on, why the need to keep the cause of death super-pinky-swear-decoder-ring secret.

The reasons why this case held my interest more than most other unsolved crimes are first off The sheer wtf of the crime and footage and nobody getting caught. I live in a city where murder is fairly common but nothing like this. They have audio and video of the killer in a town of a little more than 1000 and nobody can figure out who it is?!? It just seemed so strange. The second reason is that Abby looks just like my sister did at 11 so it just got to me. It doesn’t automatically make someone a dumb frau to follow this case.

I tried to read the transcript of Kline's interrogation, but it was difficult to follow. From what I gather, Kline was pretending to be a 13 year old girl, named "Emily Anne", in order to exchange child pornography with other miscreants, via Dropbox, while thinking he wouldn't get caught?

There was also discussion of lie detector tests, that he reputedly failed, so... these missives seem to point toward the fact, that he knows exactly who killed these 2 girls, but wasn't gonna give him up, due to his complicity.. is that close to the real truth of the case? I have no idea, and don't want to bicker with fat-ass websleuth yoga moms, but... is that what it's being boiled down to???

I'm not dumb, either. And it really got to me. My son was 8 when it happened and I put my life on hold and now he's in middle school, pretty much raised himself while I worked tirelessly online to bust this case wide open.

The thing that got to me was that the killer said DOWN THE HILL and as someone who sometimes walks down small hills, I cannot help but hear that voice every time I start a descent down a hill. Every fucking time. I am not just haunted by it but I am terrorized by it. My front lawn is on a slope and every day when I go get the mail, I hear DOWN THE HILL.

I wish I could get through that transcript at R349. It's just so long. I did word searches for "Liberty" and "Abbie," but not too many mentions of their names in the transcript. Maybe I'll try again.

I PRAY 372 is satire

I pray R372 is serious

I guess I just care harder than everyone else.

It's always been my greatest fault as a human being.

This case resonates with me on a deeper level than the other posters here.

Good GAWD, R372, pull yourself together.

Somebody MARY! R372 quick !

I love R372, whether satire or sincerity.

Speaking of getting the mail, when I go get my mail I can feel all the deviants groping me with their eyes, from behind their living room window curtains, from their cars as they pass, as they pull their children down the sidewalk in wagons. I feel so exposed out there in broad daylight.

When I open my mailbox door I can't help but think of them all approaching me from behind as I check my mail unaware, pulling down my Pioneer Woman fleece PJs and just ravishing me as I call out No No. No!

He's a pharmacy tech? he looks stupid.

Pharmacy techs, almost by definition, are stupid.

He's one of the managers at the CVS store. He became certified as a pharmacy tech in (I think) 2018 to "pitch in" behind the pharmacy window which required training of some sort.

Pharmacy techs aren't smart like people who cosplay CSI online.

I read through the entire transcript and there are so many "coinkeydinks" ...it's hard to dismiss them all. I lay odds that Kegan was involved somehow. I know everyone dismisses pedo rings, but if you read the entire thing, it sure points to some involvement. I'm not sure that he wasn't involved in some way. There's just so much circumstantial evidence. However, it is a small town, so I can't overtly say I believe he was involved.

He probably became a pharmacy tech to steal drugs to knock people out

Ok, where is this transcript? I need to read it but couldn’t find the link.

Jesus you can't CTRL+F but you expect to have some insight on the case?

r388 see below

Also, it's 194 pages long, so gird your loins.

Yeah, you've got some real work ahead of you so I hope you have a charcuterie platter within reach!

I think this is RA with KK and TK involved, along with others. Small towns tend to breed disgusting types.

372 isn't for real, it's just one of the "frau" trolls.

r387, it's here. There's a podcast called Murder Sheets who got a copy of the transcript because it was part of the Ron Logan search warrant, I believe, thus was made public.

I haven't listened to the podcast (or any podcast) but from what I've read about Murder Sheets, they seem like real pieces of work.

r394 I just posted the link at r389. You must have me blocked.

It's a curse, being born an empath. I've worked this case so hard, for so long, I'm taking a self care day, my colleagues on Reddit begged me too, so I caved. I will playing with my Rae Dunn collection all day today, so don't worry.

The Lord is always testing me. I haven't been tested this hard since I got locked in a windowless conference room at a Fairfield Inn in Kalamazoo for an entire weekend. I had to survive by breastfeeding myself, but I made it. I can make thru this case too, behind a veil of gushing tears. Be safe, and take care of yourselves.

Rae Dunne??

Ree Drummond is where it's at.

The amount of self given WW’s by the frau-in-chief here is hilarious.

Bitch sure has a thin skin for someone who keeps claiming to have been here "20 years." She's showing herself some love in the Goodbye My Fiends thread, too.

DeeighAn to Krystal Jo, Deeighan to Krystal Jo Krystal Jo do you read me? DeeighAn over and out

R372-

OK, so I read the 2nd half of the Kline interview (not the first half, it was just too long and I wanted to scrub myself after reading half of it to be honest).

The interviewer said at one point that they didn't think Kline killed the girls but they were clearly angling to try to get Kline to admit to someone else having access to his phone or having told someone about Libby. Kline swore not.

In the end it seemed clear that the investigators clearly don't have any direct evidence linking Kline or the account to anyone else who could be a suspect other than his father so I am still skeptical that Kline and his catfishing account is the link. However, who knows.

Kline failed polygraph tests but if you look it up, being anxious can make an innocent person fail them and Kline stresses how anxious he was. That's why polygraph tests are controversial and not admissible as evidence in quite a few places. The serial killer Gary Ridgway passed polygraph tests so they can be fooled too.

Kline obviously contradicted himself when he says that he didn't speak to Libby but they have evidence that someone with access to his phone did. However, he was sending the same messages to 40-50 women at the same time. It appears that he was spamming and trolling as many kids/women as he could to get nudes out of them. And you could pretty much easily lose track in such a case.

The looking up info about the case, DNA and so on, I don't really take seriously because most of us probably have done that out of sheer curiosity. If he had had a tenuous connection with her, that makes it more likely.

THANK YOU R397 R396 gets her Rae Dunn at Marshalls.

Good for you, R396. We don't need people burned out, confusing other sleuths with their half-baked theories.

I wish I could stop-- this case just hurts me too much to take a break, but I'm sure you're doing your best.

Thank you r402 for slogging through that.

I can't really say why this case has captured my attention. I've been Interested in the Debbie Collier case because I live near there, but I have no connection to this one. I just find it strange with all the secrecy.

And I'm a gay man, not a "frau", so DoughAnn needn't start with me.

I read the whole thing, though I will not lie, my mind drifted multiple times, it is indeed a tedious and difficult doc to read, between the formatting issues, subject matter, and then the back-and-forthing with the cops arguing with him about what he remembered and didn’t, blahblahblah. R402, I was left feeling that he was completely lying, that the cops told him repeatedly that what he was saying isn’t possible **unless** he admits the account is shared. I thought it was a really strange interview because I didn’t fully understand the goal of the investigators. It felt like the purpose of the interview had to do with another case, like they needed KK to verify certain facts to move something else forward.

What I find to be incredulous is this — that Libby had contact with two, I repeat, two!!!! Sex predators on the same day, two predators who had zero connection to each other? Do we all agree upon that fact? I think enough information is out there that it has been verified that KK contacted her the day she disappeared prior to their walk on the railroad, and then they also had contact with RA who has been charged with her murder. If that is a confirmed fact, how is that even possible that they are unrelated? It seems like winning the lottery, could lightening straight twice in the same day, same place, same victim?

Reading the interview of KK left me more confused because it seemed like the cops know he is lying, but are unable to get more info out of him. I would love for a few more people to read it to get a variety of opinions because it was a tough read.

r405 I read through the entire thing and my responses are at r385 and r392.

R405 you probably have contact with multiple sex offenders in a day. They're common as air.

The transcript hasn't convinced me of anything.

You can see them asking compound questions and taking an answer to part of the question and acting like it was an answer to the other part - the part they wanted that answer for.

That's a typical interrogation trick. When they'd pull that on my client, I'd stop them and make then ask each part separately and make it clear which answer was for which part of the question. If they didn't knock it off with that kind of questioning, I'd end the interrogation right there. People are so imprecise with their language that it's easy to get answers that can fit any agenda you want.

No opinion on this guy's involvement, just some caveats to be aware of.

The Crystal Jo shit was funny for like one post, a little of that shit goes a long way. However, R327 is correct, we can spot the websleuths by the fucking use of initials, like we're all supposed to know who KK is. It's hard to pull off playing a character for a whole thread, the only time it was funny consistently was on the Aunt Diane threads where her grieving husband, Danny from Long Island, would chime in. Read those threads and study up on it, Crystal Jo. He really pulled that shit off.

r409 if you read even part of the transcript (linked 3 times at least in this thread already) you know that Kegan Kline (the subject being interrogated) and TK is his father, Tony Kline. RA obviously refers to Richard Allen, THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD.

R406, I was addressing you, sorry for the typo. I enjoyed your post.

Yeah I'm not going to read the aforementioned 194 page transcript, thanks. And I was merely agreeing that the initials shit is annoying. Also, the subject of the thread is an arrest made, it's not "Rick Allen arrested in Delphi case". I can see who the websleuths are though.

Was it KK or TK who had the CP? Or both?

Stop using initials please. Kegan Kline is the one who is sitting in jail for child porn.

r414 You're not my mother. I will use initials if i damn well please. Kindly fuck off.

Personally, I don't think the cops would have been asking Kline repeatedly whether he spoke with Libby or not if they actually had proof that he did. They spend all that time telling him "we know you talked with her," but never offer up evidence, they say he admitted it before, but never say they have those messages. The messages they say they do have are ones Kline says he sent to every girl he was catfishing, the Ferrari messages and "I'm so into you" stuff. And every time the cops say "you said/sent this to Libby" he'd say "okay" but follow up with "but I sent that to every girl I talked to."

In the transcript the bit about Libby starts about page 125, and the police say "we know you lied, you talked to Libby and also exchanged photos." Kline says he has no memory of talking to Libby but just to a friend of hers during a sleepover. The stuff he supposedly said to some of Libby's friends after the murder, "OMG I was supposed to meet her but she never showed up," he says "I probably said that but it was a lie, I never planned to meet with anyone." The cops don't seem to believe him and think he's protecting someone.

The police tell him that "regardless of what you say" there was a second person using his phone, and that they know he's lying about not being sure if roommates or friends had gotten on his phone or not.

The only people mentioned in the transcript would be his friend who sold him weed, a roommate, his dad, and whoever the cops were looking at on Country Club Road. There's a long discussion about how his phone on a certain day connected to wifi at an address of someone on Country Club Road, and they're telling him "you know someone out there" and he absolutely insists that he does not. They're saying "yes, you know who that is, you're trying to protect him and we can't understand why." They then tell him they know he knows who killed the girls.

It is speculated that it was his dad's cousin, but we don't know for sure. No one seems to have found any link between Richard Allen and the cousin or the Country Club Road address in the transcript, or the Klines, or anything.

I think it's highly plausible that the police don't actually have evidence of a direct interaction between Kline and Libby. In the transcript, the cops mention a couple of times when, in previous questioning, they'd shown Kline evidence, but they never show him the actual messages they claim they have between him and Libby just before she was murdered.

I'd bet that Kline was trying to catfish a lot of girls that age in the area, Libby was peripherally but not directly in that group of girls, and that they didn't talk to each other just before the girls were murdered at all.

"Staged" would be to fake out the cops as to where and how. JBR's body in the basement was staged. Capt. Jeffrey McDonald's placing his pajama top over Colette was staging.

"Posed" connotes a desire to shock the discoverer, often with the victim(s) positioned sexually as the Boston Strangler did, or "helpfully" as John List did with his entire family laid next to each other. In this Richard Allen case, perhaps it was to take photos.

R415 has stated her boundaries!

Do not put up your tent too close to hers, do not do it!

SICK LINK? Delphi suspect Richard Allen is probed as part of investigation into 2 murdered cousins amid dad’s serial killer fears.

^^ Bit of a sensationalized article - the cases are 300 miles apart. It's possible but a long shot.

What I’d like to know is, who lives on Country Club Drive??

r421 same.

I went in search of Country Club Rd. houses and found this one at the intersection of Country Club and Tamoshanter [sic].

To answer your question, R421: The kind of people who have one "Thankful, Grateful, Blessed" sign; one "Instant Human, Just Add Coffee" sign; one "Love You More" pillow; THREE "Love You More" signs; and a working toilet on the deck.

^^it's clean at least.

I thought R423 was kidding.

R421 supposedly a cousin of Tony Klein, Kegan's dad. Last name Trexler.

I love that Country Club Drive intersects with both Paw Paw Place AND Tamoshanter Road.

I don't want to turn this into a Tasteful Friends but the Miracle Gro in the bathroom had me howling

is there a tl;dr on the facts around the arrest and the evidence supporting it?

R428 No, because that's sealed. This guy came out of nowhere - nobody was talking about him. So we know absolutely zip. Have to wait until the evidence is presented.

thx r429

DiDeanneBeth here- we’re at KK’s abandoned home with earth moving equipment and we’ve just deputized our 3 mutts as Official Cadaver Dogs.

Crystal Joad is also working with a top psychic who is 1000 dollars convinced there’s a bridge and water.

Speaking of that, I'll never get over how so many psychics have been taken seriously by police and deployed to try to get information about the killer. It's happened so many times. Less now thankfully but historically so many cops have taken psychics seriously. Shudder.

KK's GMA lived on CC Rd

R432, I used to know a priest on Long Island who was psychic. The cops used him from time to time. No publicity, no bullshit, he just read the cases they needed help on and shut the fuck up about it. He was the real deal.

So there you go.

A psychic helped police find a body of a woman missing 5 years here in Fl. Most are charlatans,but some are the real deal.

R434 OK, Crystal Jo.

R435 DeighAnn has chimed in!

Wow R434, I would think a real deal no bullshit psychic priest would be trying to help a whole lot. Your psychic priest friend must be soooo cool. Lawn Guyland. Wow.

Does he know Danny from Lawn Guyland? What happened to Aunt Diane?

Travis Trexler, a cousin of alleged Snapchat catfish and child predator Kegan Kline, was arrested in Wabash County, Indiana, at the beginning of September on DUI charges, The U.S. Sun can exclusively reveal. Kegan Kline was contacting Libby German through a catfish social media account the night before she was murdered

Trexler was held in custody for a week in place of a $1,200 bond.

He was released on September 8, court records show.

A spokesperson for the Wabash County Jail declined to provide additional information when contacted by The U.S. Sun but said the arrest was unrelated to the probe into the Delphi probe — the site of a 2017 double murder to which Trexler’s cousin, but not Trexler himself, has been linked by prosecutors.

An attorney listed for Trexler has not yet responded to a request for comment. Trexler has prior DUI infractions

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Travis is hideous, sad and unfuckable. Our verdict - Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! (of something)

Please note: The cunting Sun Newspaper does not allow me to link a photo, I have to link the article. They are obviously a bunch of FAT WHORES.

Ew, Travis is hideous! How many pedophiles live in this god forsaken town!?

Travis isn't a pedophile that we know of though? Just got arrested for DUI. There's no evidence that Travis had access to Kegan's phone.

BTW, The Sun is owned by Murdoch and it's total trash. It sensationalizes and misleads people.

Only the most desperate meth head bitches would fuck that R440,so it makes sense he was trawling online.

R442 Sorry but where's the evidence that Travis was part of the catfishing operation? You are just assuming that but I don't see any.

[quote] A psychic helped police find a body of a woman missing 5 years here in Fl. Most are charlatans,but some are the real deal.

Will also chime in as another poster who knew of “the real deal” through a Yale connection. This person could provide details so accurate that it stunned individuals (and really freaked some out). Very helpful with missing persons, etc. But the psychic preferred to stay under the radar and had to be cajoled and encouraged to assist. It was not in their nature (to be “psychic”h) and stated that they, themselves, would be highly skeptical if they weren’t the one coming up with everything. Was a challenge for them.

Oh dear. R443 must be one of the straight women from Websleuths who doesn't belong here.

R444 I'd investigate the HELL out of that psychic in such a case then. They are all frauds and only know stuff by either guessing or because they've found it out already.

R446 -You don’t know ANYTHING about the situation or persons involved. You have no basis for your ignorant remarks.

They are not a fraud: there is documentation at YALE University of the impact of their knowledge. They were even studied at The Montreal Neurological Institute of McGill University as they have assisted patients with unknown and complex diagnoses amongst many other unrelated situations. Decades of “results” that been acknowledged by professionals in unconnected fields: medicine, law, law enforcement, psychology.

Keep your closed-minded beliefs to yourself.

R447 Link please?

r447 did they ever participate in "remote viewing" experiments? Apparently, the DOD has used (and probably still does) people with these abilities in the past against opponents. I find that very interesting.

But where's the evidence that psychic ability is real? You'd think it'd be pretty easy to measure.

[quote] —All psychics are frauds

Cease the blanket generalizations, idiot.

R451 They are though, otherwise there'd be measurable proof of their abilities.

R448 = Patrick Jane.

There are people who genuinely believe they are psychic and there are people who know damn well they aren't psychic but they also know it's a great way to get money out of the rubes.

But there is exactly zero evidence that psychics exist, and the burden of proof is of course upon them, since they are the ones making outlandish claims. For fifty+ years, law enforcement and government agencies did numerous studies and trials and experiments because they REALLY wanted psychic abilities to be a thing so they could use those powers for their own ends. Again and again, the results were negative.

People who still believe in psychics in 2022 will believe anything.

Any "real psychic" out there is almost certainly someone who is gifted in analysis, pattern recognition and problem solving, and not really psychic at all.

We know, Shawn.

Did James Randi ever have to give up the money for a "true" psychic?

Still living his best life and still (most likely) getting away with it R245. But the black thugs are finally sentenced for their role in the "failed robbery".

R457, James Randi demanded that any "real" psychic could provide the final score well in advance of the next Superbowl or provide the exact name of the winner of Miss America a year ahead of time.

That's not what gifted psychics do and I've encountered lots of frauds who are generalists, as well as others who give extremely specifc info about events that haven't yet occurred who are the real deal. I was not ever charged money either.

YouTube videos show evidence that remote viewers are still used and have been proven to be extremely helpful in uncovering secret information re political opponents. Check out the best ones from several years ago.

There are also YouTube videos showing remote viewers at work and most of what they provide is very general and not that detailed.

Why doesn’t this man have legal representation yet?

This is very troubling.

He said at his arraignment he was getting private counsel -- he even acknowledges it in his letter.

Also, there are income/asset limitations for a public defender. I'm sure someone who lost his CVS job will qualify.

Judges in these high profile cases tend to be more generous towards the defendent due to increased scrutiny and appeals; he'll get free representation unless he has significant assets somewhere

I think he owns his house outright/doesn't pay a mortgage. He could sell it, however, I don't know how much that would weigh into whether you'd get a public defender. I want to say if he's requesting, he will probably receive it.

The way the now recused Judge Deiner talked, I'm surprised there was anyone at the clerk's office competent enough to open the envelope.

I think he'll end up with a public defender or a court-appointed attorney. He should have let the public defender represent him right off the bat, now he has to write letters like that (R461) to the court.

The home will probably have to be sold anyway. Can't see the wife being able to go back.

Over 800 comments on reddit about this letter? Man, they're starving for fresh info, between you know, virtue signaling and scolding others for wanting gory details..

This YT vid gives the best explanation regarding the Keegan Kline and Richard Allen connection.

What if Keegan sol Allen a pre loaded burner phone, that was being specifically sold from pedo to pedo, with a bunch of under aged contacts on the phone itself?

That makes sense to me.

Or, Richard Allen monitored the social media of one of the girls, and made a second account pretending to be Anthony Shotts, and then started catfishing the minor, claiming he was using two accounts. This is my personal theory.

I don’t believe either Kline or Allen knew each other at all, nor made any contact with one another before this case of after.

And here I was CONVINCED it was Tituba.

Upthread posters mention a photo of Allen’s daughter on the High Bridge.

Just to be clear: it’s most likely part of a senior photo shoot taken 8/2013. Daughter graduated HS in 5/2014. Murders happened 2/2017.

Mom most likely used one of the senior photos in a 2018? FB post because it’s a nice photo and it was in her Photos library. Daughter had long gone onto college in another town.

R470 correct but perhaps when mom was judiciously removing ALL of her 2017 pictures from her public Facebook page, it might have crossed her mind that that picture of her daughter on the bridge might not be a good look anymore and removed that too. In fact since Mom seems hell bent on keeping her Facebook public, perhaps in order to protect her daughter from media and rabid crime sleuths, it might be better idea to remove her daughter’s pictures entirely. At the very least, mom seems like a useless self absorbed and not to bright Facebook frau.

At least the daughter is away at college. Hopefully, she has a measure of anonymity there. Allen is a common name.

As I sat waiting for the traffic signal to change the other day, I watched some construction workers who were digging into a median.

The hole was about 7' feet deep, and when I saw a worker disappear my mind automatically said "Down the hole!" in the killer's voice.

I wasn't even THINKING about the murders at that very second!

I thought I read the daughter was married now. Think she's done with college...? I mean, I know one can still be going to college and get married (before one of you bitches snaps back), but I think she's over and done with college at this point? I'm sure someone on the reddit sub knows, but I'm not going to check for it. That sub is exhausting.

I don’t think so r472. She got married within the last couple years - wedding photos on mama’s Facebook page, . Unless there is more than one daughter. I suppose the married one could be entering her 9th year of college 😂 since she graduated from highschool in 2014, but I doubt it. So far they don’t seem to be a family of brainiacs, so I doubt she’s in grad school.

My guess is that mom thinks removing her Facebook pictures or going private will make them look guilty. It may also be some weird attempt at normalcy.

There's a guy I went to high school who became a teacher and just got thrown in jail for molesting some of his students, and when he bailed out, all he did was make his most recent FB posts private. He's still updating, you can see him change his profile pic and header. The old posts are still up and full of "you're a pig, Mr. ----" comments and he won't take it down. Stubborn.

Is the wife's Facebook still up? I tried looking for it, couldn't find it.

I think she took it down, R477.

This was the link to her profile, but its been taken DOWN THE HILL!

It was down and then back up a few days ago. She can’t decide I guess. also if she thinks removing her pics of her daughter would create suspicion vs appearing as protecting a family member - then what about her removing all of 2017 pictures? The year the murders took place.

It was up public again early last week for at least a day. I looked at it and could see there were lots of people writing comments about how could she not know etc. i was shocked it was up and running again. I guess she deleted it shortly after. I think it is completely deleted now vs just being private.

STOP attacking the wife, Ya'll!! ENOUGH.

Was Richard much heavier in 2017, because the bridge guy looks very heavy, and his shoulders look off-kilter. He looks very old in that pic.

Bridge guy has a lot of stuff under that jacket. When he walks you can see bulges in his jacket it was unseasonably warm and he was in layers, had a hood, some say a scarf covering his lower face.

Plus, the jeans weren't a flattering cut.

What???^^ Datalounge is filled conspiracy.

[quote] Plus, the jeans weren't a flattering cut.

Oh, Honey, whose are these days.

When ISP issued that second sketch of TBG , I thought wtf? It looked nothing like him but why do that at all? It was almost as if they were afraid someone might actually recognize the BM and they did NOT want that happen. They have withheld EVERY bit of information on this case from day one, even COD. They lied to the public about being in danger from this man. Now they refuse unseal RA's charges, ffs. They are moving him from jail to jail , hiding him. How high up does this child murdering pedo ring go?

I’m sure they are already making plans to have a publication ban for the trial.

Watch the whole thing be a massive fuck up and the guy ends up innocent. Not saying I really think so but seem like a lot of fumbling by the Indiana keystone cops.

This guy looks nothing like the bridge guy. That bridge guy was old, and much fatter.

Investigators have known for years that the Delphi suspect was on the Monon High Bridge the day Abby and Libby were killed

by: Ashley FowlerPosted: Nov 14, 2022 / 02:00 PM EST / Updated: Nov 14, 2022 / 09:20 PM EST

DELPHI, Ind. (WISH) — Richard Allen, the man arrested in the 2017 double murder of Abigail Williams and Liberty German near Delphi, told a state conservation officer he was in the area on the day of the killings, but his report may have been considered unfounded, a police source tells I-Team 8.

Allen, a 50-year-old resident of Delphi, went to the conservation officer right after the teens’ murders on Feb. 13, 2017, and said he was on the Monon High Bridge that afternoon but didn’t see the two girls, the source says.

Williams and German were dropped off near the bridge on the day of the murders. Their bodies were found the next day.

Allen’s statement was forgotten until recently when Indiana State Police became frustrated with the status of the Delphi investigation and asked a group of investigators to look over files related to the case.

Investigators believe Allen is the man on the bridge in the cellphone video and in sketches released by police, the source tells I-Team 8.

say, Andrew Joseph Baldwin from a Franklin, Indiana, law firm and Bradley Anthony Rozzi of Logansport was added as attorneys for Allen. Rozzi will be the lead attorney, and Baldwin of Franklin will be co-counsel.

Although Allen was arrested, the probable cause affidavit is sealed. A hearing set for Nov. 22 will determine if the document will be made public.

What a colossal fuck up that the police never followed up with Allen.

R490 As terribly pixelated as the video of Bridge Guy is, I can see Allen in it. Combine it with voice comparison, I'd bet it's him.

The latest article posted at r491 makes it pretty clear that Kline isn't involved in the murders at all. The Wabash River search was related to the murders but nothing was found and they think Kline was just lying to investigators about it. After that, the police went back to square one with the case and saw the statement from Allen and started looking into it. Nothing about Kline or the Wabash River search led them to Allen.

Just wanted to point that out since someone was screaming at me a few days ago about how Kline had to be involved and anyone who said otherwise was stupid and wrong and also stupid.

[quote]The police source also confirms that the recent five-week state police search of the Wabash River in Peru was connected to the Delphi investigation.

[quote]It was initiated after Kegan Kline told police they would find a cell phone and weapon in the river, the source tells I-Team 8.

[quote]Kline, 28, a figure linked to the Delphi murders who has not been charged in the case, revealed that information while being questioned about the deaths of Libby and Abby.

[quote]That evidence was never found and Kline is known for lying to investigators.

Maybe so r494 and I am not the person you said was yelling at you. But, it doesn’t mean the catfish profile wasn’t shared. The Anthony shots profile made arrangements to meet the girls at the bridge that afternoon. Somehow (and I doubt it was random) this Richard Allen is there at the same time and essentially kidnaps and kills them within a very tight timeline. I some interrogation interviews police question Kline hard about the catfish profile being accessed by someone else - a different device- in the last communications with Libby. Right after Allen’s arrest some of klines charges were dropped which may or may not be because of a deal. . I agree he wasn’t on the bridge that day but we don’t have enough info yet to say for certain that he had no involvement at all. Particularly if there is a larger ring being investigated, which is why many believe that there is so much being kept private.

I will say congrats to the Indiana state police who pushed into things sensing the local guys had missed something.

R493, I have always been very good with voices. I don't forget voices like some people don't forget faces. It's a weird facility.

That's him. It's the timber and where the voice is coming from in him. I don't know the technical terms but in a voice line-up I'd pick him.

ETA with all the caveats that I could be completely wrong.

🙄^.

There is no CASM "ring, no conspiracy. Not a legion of perverts behind these 2 tragic murders. Real life is more mundane, sadder, and less fantastical than all these improbable scenarios from these internet detectives

r498 and you know this how? Do you live there? You do know pedo rings aren't just the stuff of myths, that scores and scores of people have been busted and arrested in the past who are part of pedo rings. Multiple times. So why wouldn't there be a chance that a pedo ring might be operating at this moment and that maybe some people in and around the area may be involved in it?

🙄

[QUOTE]The Anthony shots profile made arrangements to meet the girls at the bridge that afternoon.

Link to where it says this please? You say this as if it's a fact but I haven't seen anywhere that confirms this to be true.

R496 There's no edit in Datalounge, you dumb ASS. What an idiotic post, the whole fucking thing. Are you the one with the 'psychic priest friend in NY'?

Wtf is wrong with that post? All he's saying is that he thinks that the voice matches. You sound unhinged.

No R496, it sounds like Frau-So-Special again, trying to 'flaunt' her fake CSI cred.

It’s conspiracy theory. That’s all it is.

should read "no, R496 sounds like..."

I honestly just read it as an opinion about the voice and there was a big disclaimer too, so it's not like the annoying poster/s who keep stating their theories as fact.

But they are^. This thread has charged Richard Allen.

Google is your friend you lazy shit r500. I might have indulged, but you sound snarky.

LOL! The ear person is me and I am very proud of my ears. Thank you very much.

I don't know what fucking theory this really weird ear-mocking person upthread is on about. I don't think I've ever opined on a theory about this case. I don't know what happened. The only thing I may have talked about in this case is some procedural issue but I don't even remember if I did that.

Oh wait I did read that interview transcript someone linked and commented on that. IIRC I didn't see it as a confession.

In any event, I listened to the comparison video again and I still think it sounds like the same guy. His wife is annoying as hell on that video.

So there. Double downing on the timbre and all that shit.

Well, it's still cheesy as hell you typed ETA!

It’s ok rr509, block the cunt going at you and all the other asshole comments attacking other posters disappears too.

[quote]railroaded

Yes.

Actually, R498--Don't know how much you know about some of the suspects that Federal, Indiana State, and local LE have looked very hard at over the last few years. But the shocking thing is how many documented CASM-prone ghouls are active in a very small radius of Delphi, who could fit the photo image and who are on record with CASM crimes and activity. It's like a demonic Black Lodge of BOBs from some David Lynchian "Twin Peaks" nightmare. That's not to say a literal, organized ring of CASM conspirators planned and did these killings. But it is mind-boggling what is out there.

R508 Well, that's the thing.. there's nothing to be found that confirms what you said.

If you read the 194-page interview with Kline, Kline asks why after 3 years they are hauling him in again when there was nothing after that first interview. The detective says because they been investigating the largest Child Porn ring in the state of Indiana in the state's history, that is why it took so long. It will be weird if it turns out to have nothing to do with the murders, but I suppose it's possible.

It may be that the police were so certain that there was a connection because Libby was found without her clothes and with her body staged. They may have laser focused on the CSAM so that they didn't bother with Allen, as they may not have found a connection between him and the Klines.

Zin that’s not “the thing” r514. I was referring to the interrogation transcripts of which there are many. It is also public record that Kline had several charges dismissed after Allen’s arrest. You can find them easily from reputable sources, unless you are lazy. The rest I clearly state as my opinion just as most of the rest of the posters here. So do fuck off. It’s a thread, not a research paper.

Exactly r515. Thank you for posting.

R516 Well, I searched and can't find them. Funny that you're still not providing the evidence. I can't prove a negative, can I?

I don’t really care if some rando like you finds them or not. Not do I care what you believe. Time to use my “bitch be blocked” spray. 👋

Yeah. Like I thought, you don't have the evidence to back up what you stated as a fact. It's not a fact. It's your theory that you've latched onto and somehow think is fact when you don't actually have the evidence for that.

By the way I just looked at that r518 and his related history and on this thread and the cunt is 150% speculative on every post with no sources noted on any single one. And yet is hustling others wanting sources posted like he’s some research scientist. What a loser. The thread is a better place without him.

R521 Still waiting for you to provide proof/reliable reporting that the Anthony Shots profile arranged to meet the girls on the bridge the day they were killed.

Oh. Yeah. You can't.

Because it doesn't exist.

This stuff is so funny because it's the exact mistake old school detectives used to make (and maybe still did in this case). They would have a theory/'instinct' that someone had done it and they would zoom onto that at the expense of everything else. They would refuse to consider other possibilities and close their minds. They would lack objectivity about the actual evidence they did or did not have. It has caused many, many examples of wrongful convictions.

The charging documents that would explain to the public why Allen was arrested are currently under seal due to an order signed off by a judge at the request of Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland. A hearing is set for November 22nd to determine if those documents will remain sealed or be made available to news media and the public.

At this point, Superintendent Carter believes releasing the documents would not jeopardize the case.

WIBC host Jason Hammer asked, “if that is allowed to be given to the public, is that going to compromise the case in any way?”

“No, I don’t think at this point it will,” responds Carter, “and I think it will answer a lot of the questions that people have.

“Will we find out how we got to this point with that information?” asks Hammer.

“We will, yeah. It’ll be much clearer,” responds Carter.

Hopefully it gets released. I don’t recall many cases in the US where high profile investigations like this fall under these seals. It’s happened a few times where I come from, and in the two situations I recall somewhat recently, once the publication bans were lifted or journalists take the police to court over freedom of information laws, there ended up being a huge element of police bungling or bad plea deal negotiations that come to light. Not saying that will be the case for sure here but, I guess we will see. And if it all does come out it will be interesting to see how much “leaked” info was actually true.

New thread needed...this one is laggy.

Somehow this thread is less laggy than the Moscow, Idaho quadruple homicide thread. I haven’t been able to post a reply there for hours. Just keeps crashing. Tried both Safari and Firefox. (I’m using an iPhone 11.)

This thread just gets overwhelmed by the “proof” troll who won’t actually read the 192 page interrogation of kegan Kline but hassles everyone to provide sources for what was in it.

They were all passed out drunk. The screaming would have been limited.

R528 I think you mean me but I DID read it. And did not find what you claim to be in it. Kline denies arranging to meet up with the girls and denies giving anyone else access to his phone or knowledge about them. The cops do not seem to have that evidence either.

So how do we know all the details, is it just gossip?

R531, there's a hearing this Tuesday about whether to release the sealed probable cause affidavit that spells out why he was arrested

R124 just a for the record nambla used to have bumper stickers. And they do meet in person.

R533, and the trans love them. As does the Green Party.

Kelsi, Liberty's sister, shared a link on her Twitter account to a petition for keeping the warrant sealed. Why would she do that?

R535, cause she doesn't know any better and there are probably painful details. They just want to protect their loved one's memory.

My guess R535 is that he raped one or both of them and the family doesnt want the sordid details online.Its inevitable they wil be though.

The same fraus commenting under that petition, and most likely the same ones who cant wait to get all the gory details!

Maybe there is truth to the rumor that Liberty was pregnant

There was a quick hearing today with Richard Allen, the judge is going to consider releasing the probable cause affidavit with redactions but we don't know when she'll decide. His bond hearing is scheduled for February 17th.

Also, the local Fox affiliate is reporting that the prosecutor said at the hearing that they don't believe Richard Allen is the only one involved! The prosecutor said that is one reason why they want to keep the probable cause affidavit sealed.

I’m a bit surprised that he didn’t act alone—although it isn’t shocking.

I don’t get it. If he didn’t act alone, where is the accomplice??? Damn, these cops really suck!!! I do not understand the decisions being made by cops, hopefully we get answers someday.

Is the court so busy that the guy can't get a bail hearing for four months? That's insane.

[quote] Is the court so busy that the guy can't get a bail hearing for four months? That's insane.

Sometimes that is a future date agreed upon by the defense and the prosecution. Unless there are changed circumstances presently there are no grounds for another bond consideration hearing. Maybe the future hearing is a combined Status/Bond Review hearing. The media rarely understands or reports procedural matters accurately.

Thank you for the answer, r545.

I thought the pre trial hearing is Jan 22. Why would his bail hearing be after that?

I didn’t realize before that the bodies were taken to and staged a fair distance from where the police think they were killed. He didn’t exactly slash and run. What a cold boooded psychopath.

He managed to carry out this entire crime in broad daylight with others hiking around the same area. No one even heard screams.

r547 they decided to combine both in February.

R548 it wasn't a fair distance.

If their mouths were duct taped, screaming wouldn’t have helped those girls.

We’ve got to do more in this country to prepare girls on how to fight back. Self-defense. These were two kids, nothing that happened is their fault, but can you imagine if the victims understood that the worst thing you can do is let them move you. Once they move you to a different location, the odds of a violent rape anc murder go up ten-fold (if memory serves). Like what if on the bridge one of them just ran as fast as possible??? What would he have done??? You

R543 QAnon-adjacent Deigh-Ann masturbating furiously at that it could be a child trafficking/porn ring...

I still think it very unlikely. If they had evidence linking Kline and Allen they'd have arrested Allen long ago. Please remember that many cops aren't that bright and often are subject to the same cognitive biases as the general public.

While I think it probable that they've got the right guy now I'm not feeling good about the evidence that they have against him. His lawyer said that there was a lot less than you'd expect.. I may be wrong but I'm kind of braced for this to be a controversial case or there to *potentially* not to be overwhelming evidence for jurors.

His lawyer's comment could have more than one sense. In one sense, it could mean, there seems to be little evidence and the so-called case is skimpy. In another sense it could mean, the prosecution is holding back in order to thwart discovery as long as possible. A PC affidavit doesn't have to give complete pre-trial discovery. But the prosecution may have skimped on it to deprive the accused as long possible, of information usable to assemble a defense. The defense lawyers may be on to that and trying to make lemonade out of it.

The fact that they've stressed that the case is still open and they want to keep getting tips and info adds to it for me. That they're hoping that making him as a suspect public will get them more information.

But it's always best to wait to see what they actually have, of course.

It was across the river r548. You don’t think that’s a fair distance to lug two dead bodies ?

^ meant for r549

If they think a second person is involved then yeah, they do have to offer up that evidence to the defense, and soon, I would imagine. The prosecutor wouldn't have brought it up if they didn't expect defense attorneys to ask for the evidence immediately.

Perhaps I am incorrect. I know the river was crossed but maybe they were still alive when it happened. Does anyone know the distance between where they were thought to be killed vs where the staging happened? If staging is meant to throw police off it had to be more than a few feet away wouldn’t it?

Please don’t victim shame by saying “if they had just done x, y or z they might still be alive!” Absolutely NOBODY knows what it is like to be a young teen in a situation like that up against an armed brown man. Abby was tiny and Libby was very overweight. Also, they were best friends and one wasn’t going to run away to try to get help and leave the other one to die.

An armed brown man? Is this a new development?

Sorry. An an armed ADULT man. Fuck autocorrect trying to make me look racist.

r560 so glad you clarified that lol

As some of us have been ragging about, it sounds like the prosecution has declared they believe that Richard Allen did not act alone.

My theory. Kevin Kline, pasty POS, had the Anthony_shots account that he shared with multiple people, including his own nasty father, sooooo foul. He would share his “hot leads” with this small circle of disgusting perverts, we don’t know how many men used this account.

So he sat silent for maybe 18 months that he passed on these girls to RA because that implicated him in their murder too, and there is a high degree of probability he could go down with RA. So I think he likely at first had zero conscience about withholding this info as he doesn’t want more charges, but then later he realizes with the right attorney he can leverage this information to protect himself if he plays his cards right. So I believe he cut a deal in exchange for partial testimony on these murders.

Charging affidavit is out.

Well the question after reading the pdf of the affidavit is even bigger than before:

HOW DID THEY MISS THIS GUY FOR ALMOST 6 YEARS????

He said he was there at the exact time. But no further look into him.

Witnesses identified him as the only male around at that time.

They had video of a vehicle parked strangely at the abandoned building that matched his.

They had a bullet at the scene where bodies were found and could have asked him then if he had a gun.

A witness described a man covered in mud and blood that looked like he’d been in a fight walking away from the park.

Since we know Indiana star police went back over everything and came up with this guy recently, the entire Delphi police force should be fired and some should be investigated for potentially helping him avoid being looked at as a suspect. Probably someone’s drinking buddy. Should have had him within the month.

What was the bullet from?

Bullet found near Delphi murders tied back to suspect:

R565 A gun Allen owns. Sig Sauer Model P226.

I thought it was described as "mud or blood" - which would make sense since the witness probably wasn't that close to him.

The forensic science of the test they used to allege the bullet came from his gun is very challengeable. There will be experts who will proffer a debunking of it. But it's enough for the low threshold of probable cause.

What does it mean to park strangely?

Just throwing out things off the top of my head. It seems like it's him but who knows if they can make the case if he gets a good attorney. Though I wouldn't want to be tried in that area. I was assuming that the other person possibly involved may have been an accessory after the crime but I'm just guessing.

I am still perplexed why they aren't releasing the cause of death. That strikes me as very strange. It must be redacted because the judge should have needed it to find probable cause.

This is all so strange. What could seem safer than a daytime hike along a well-traveled local landmark where anyone could appear at any time and they were with each other and had a cell phone. So very sad.

This guy doesn’t have a chance in hell of beating this, J-Mac.

This guy is innocent.

Oh okay. Well I guess that clears that up, R570.

R569, I think you're right. But his lawyer has to do its job. And you never know. I know it may seem weird, but I have seen too many anticipated government slam-dunks get away from stupid or overconfident prosecutors. But I'm sure you're right in this case.

If you read the affidavit r568 it is not “or”.

Agreed r572, I’m a different poster. Anything can happen, and r564, you nailed it. Someone or plural knew this guy and took the heat off of him, and if that happened, that’s blatant corruption. You think a chocolate colored suspect would have gotten away for six years? Bitch puhleeze.

This story will go into the history books as a case study on bias, favoritism, corruption, and incompetence. But wasn’t the FBI involved too? How in the fuck did this guy not get charged earlier, it is incredible!

It’s hard to say how long they were involved and in what capacity. Maybe they just helped them understand how to do an investigation.

I agree Kline may have been offering out the Anthony shots account but that’s going to be hard to prove. Especially as it seems Allen was using burner phones based on the affidavit.

It wil be interesting to see if some of the ghoulish sleuthing on YouTube was correct about the area where the bodies were found. Their description of. “Leaks” from LE and searchers suggested a lot of items were displayed etc around their bodies.

But just the possibility of moving those bodies after death over rough wooded areas and possibly over water to where they were staged might also suggest there was a second person on scene.

I don’t think I believe any of that though. I think the second person has more to do with how the girls were set up to meet someone at the bridge. Then I think Allen acted all alone inna rage for whatever reason. Supposedly Libby was in much worse shape than Abby. And Libby was the one talking to the Anthony Shots account

They might be saying possible addl suspect to preserve the right to charge if someone drove the car, or provided information about the victims.

Here is the affidavit. 7 pages. “Muddy and bloody” is on page 4.

His wife must have been in complete denial. How does a spouse see the video, know he was there at the time, and not say holy fuck is that my husband? It’s different than all of us as complete strangers looking at that video and saying well it could be him but not sure. She has seen him dressed that way before. And she sees him every damn day.

R564 My hunch is that cops have got tunnel vision about that Anthony Shots guy and are trying to make him involved (I still doubt that he was - it's a lot more likely that Allen acted alone). Or they simply need more evidence than what they have to convince a jury of Allen's guilt which is highly plausible. Like, okay, he was in the area on that day but a jury is going to need something more solid than that to convict.

[quote] If you read the affidavit [R568] it is not “or”.

Thanks so much, R578 and R573.

If it really is Richard Allen in that video, I can't believe the wife didn't recognize her husband. I have been with my partner 14 years, I can tell his walk, and posture from further that I can make out his features. I could pick out his voice even if it was the quality we all heard. Maybe she just couldn't believe it, and went into some type of deep denial.

It’s not^.

I agree R582. Maybe he threatened her and their daughter into not telling? He is obviously a very dangerous psycho.

Ok, I'll offer why his wife didn't know:

- unfamiliar clothes - bulky clothes hiding his face, body etc - he's walking across dilapidated railroad ties 60 feet above a creek, not a normal gait - his friends or other people would have recognized him

And finally: Nobody would consider their spouse would murder 2 girls. You can call it denial but I think it's before that stage -- it hasn't reached the possibility not in reaction to your spouse being accused.

What little I hear of him, he doesn't sound like the video. Don't get me wring: he did it. I'm just making the arguments why someone wouldn't suspect someone they know

R583, I hope you’re in touch with Richard’s lawyers.

It’s not him.

R587 Reasons?

He’s far too short, I think he’s around 5’4”, he looks nothing like the bridge guy, or sounds like him. He’s getting railroaded. I hope he sues.

Bridge guy looks quite short to me but it's hard to tell height when there isn't much to measure it off. Allen admits to wearing very similar clothes. The unspent round that could only have come from his gun. Him being there at exactly the right time..

I hope he sues Datalounge and reddit.

I can't get my head around the colossal stupidity of the "investigation".

R592 I dropped into Reddit to see what they're saying and I had to leave within 2 minutes because most of the comments were obsessing about the so-called catfishing conspiracy ring. They seem dim and the local cops were probably also dim people who obsessed about that, completely missing someone who was in front of them the whole time.

Datalounge and reddit post the same shit.

Reddit has more original thought, also more information in general. Datalounge just recycles what reddit posts.

LMAO R591 Yea, good luck with that. Richard Allen is guilty af.

R585 why on earth would you say the clothes were unfamiliar?she admitted to Police he owned the same jacket and still had it at the time of his arrest.

While I am one of the posters that is in shock the police didn’t get him sooner. The only bone I will throw them is that they were stuck for a while on it being Ron Logan since it was on or near his property and Ron Logan did the investigation no favours by giving a fake alibi - even though he did it for reasons unrelated to the killings. They did clear him eventually but still…. The other one was that kegan Kline and Anthony shots thing and his dad being involved with CP. but it does still seem they had blinders on by missing the dude that actually put himself at the scene of the crime.

R595. Then just go to Reddit instead of staying here and bitching

Half of the reddit posters come here when their shit doesn’t fly there or they get temporarily banned from posting due to being assholes.

It’s him. Read the PCA.