Sacheen Littlefeather was NOT Native American, her sisters say

I stand with S'Atcheen!

I wondered about that upon seeing that her father's surname was "Cruz," but assumed there was an explanation.

[quote]The sisters said that the toll of the lies told by their sister over the years was hard to bear. But they didn’t speak out, as they thought their sister’s fame would eventually dissipate.

They were estranged and hated her, so it's hard to understand why they kept quiet until she died. No one in the family sounds particularly pleasant.

What a fraud!

Well, was she taken care of financially because of the lie? Maybe her family reasoned that it supported her and she wouldn't camp out on their doorstep like Sally Durant Plummer.

Her going into politics was a successful move. Still a fraud though.

Just like the Native American man, who had a tear in his eye...in the ad about pollution. He really was Italian.

We're in a really regressive period right now, and people are still mad at Littlefeather's Oscar appearance, which is why that lady from the rightwing New York Post took to her blog to tell us all that her story was a lie, even though that the story actually came from a white male producer of the show, and Littlefeather was simply repeating what she'd been told. It's why people want to take down the "wokesters" to praised Littlefeather for her speech.

It doesn't make any sense for her sisters to now say that Littlefeather basically ruined their whole family but they didn't bother to speak up to try to stop it. It doesn't make any sense for the Native organizations, especially the ones in Hollywood, to have never called her out.

What a weird situation.

There was talk for decades that she was mostly Mexican and European and had little if any Native American ancestry. She and her sisters look more mexican than indian.

I don't see any reason why her sisters would be lying. And the research into her ancestry makes it seem even more unlikely. I guess they're a very small chance she might have a minimal amount of NA ancestry, but still that's really stretching the image that made her somewhat famous and of some importance.

It's paywalled, but you can read for free below.

An excerpt:

In one of her final interviews, Littlefeather told The Chronicle that she took the stage at the Oscars because “I spoke my heart, not for me, myself, as an Indian woman but for we and us, for all Indian people … I had to speak the truth. Whether or not it was accepted, it had to be spoken on behalf of Native people.”

But Littlefeather didn’t tell the truth that night. That’s because, according to her biological sisters, Rosalind Cruz and Trudy Orlandi, Littlefeather isn’t Native at all.

“It’s a lie,” Orlandi told me in an exclusive interview. “My father was who he was. His family came from Mexico. And my dad was born in Oxnard.”

“It is a fraud,” Cruz agreed. “It’s disgusting to the heritage of the tribal people. And it’s just … insulting to my parents.”

Littlefeather’s sisters both said in separate interviews that they have no known Native American/American Indian ancestry. They identified as “Spanish” on their father’s side and insisted their family had no claims to a tribal identity.

“I mean, you’re not gonna be a Mexican American Princess,” Orlandi said of her sister’s adoption of a fraudulent identity. “You’re gonna be an American Indian princess. It was more prestigious to be an American Indian than it was to be Hispanic in her mind.”

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[quote]so it's hard to understand why they kept quiet until she died

The simplest solution may be the right one: they waited because then she wouldn't be able to defend herself.

Everyone is in on the grift. Including the family who stayed silent about the grift for 50 years

Jacqueline Keeler has been at this for awhile, and her research on "pretendians" is solid. She (Little feather) probably did have some native ancestry through her Mexican family, but not the "tragic Indian" ancestry that she was playing at. Her criticism at the Oscars was valid, but it's odd that she was picked (when her claims to tribal membership could have been disputed with a few simple phone calls) to deliver the message.

I don't fault her sisters for not speaking up earlier. She was, at the very least, a mostly white woman appropriating tribal memberships that she didn't have claim to, and pushing a victim's narrative as her entire public identity. She very well could have been an absolute terror to her family.

Mexican people are indigenous to the continent, they just ain't Navajo.

Correction to r13: Jacqueline Keeler does apparently have some issues of her own, including publishing the personal info of at least four people who (successfully) disputed being labeled a "pretendian" with generational tribal membership. So, much of her research is solid, but probably deserves more scrutiny.

Not even a teeny bit?

I had no idea Trump is first generation until recently. The way that man carries on I thought his people came here on the Mayflower.

I'm reminded of this because Trump called Senator Warren, Pocahontas and the name stuck.

[quote]When asked if she thought Littlefeather’s life or career would have been better if she had never claimed to be American Indian, Orlandi demurred. “Sacheen did not like herself. She didn’t like being Mexican. So, yes, it was better for her that way to play someone else.”

Can't wait to rubberneck at everyone on Twitter who will cluck-cluck at Cruz's betrayal without realizing they're just as self-loathing.

'Mexican' generally implies being of considerable Mayan or Inca Native North American Indian stock. What's the problem? By the way, idiots, Mexico is in North America.

Incan? Truly?

I have a memory that it came out she wasn't Native American not too long after the event. Maybe it was just a rumor at the time.

In the article it states that they researched into her family ancestry (which goes back to 1850s Mexico) and found a very small chance for having any Native blood, and if she did, it was incredibly small. And Native Americans aren't interchangeable, she pretended to be this Apache poverty princess.

Her sisters talk about how humiliated they felt by her claiming they lived in shack with no running water or a toilet and how their dad was this alleged abusive drunkard - they said she stole her father's upbringing (he was actually quite poor and abused severely by his drunken father) and passed it off as her own. That's worse to me than the race faking.

Yeah right OP, next you're gonna tell me Cher isn't a half-breed

She was a performance artist before they were a thing. There are lots of frauds around today.

I love shit like this. Well it was a naive time. Here is Miss Littlefeather and her nice rack in some B Movie. Dubbed into Italian.

There was a fairly recent thread about people in prominent positions faking indigenous identity, I want to say it was in 2021 but I can't find it, does anyone else remember it?

^ I want to say it started with an article about this woman but maybe she was just one of the examples.

Some of us in the industry have known this for fucking years.

Oh wow. Don't you just hate when the cunts who actually knew the person come in and ruin a narrative.

Wait a minute. Ain't Mexicans just Native Americans who eat tacos.

¿Bogida tacos?

bich'ᶖ' nashch'aa!

Warren being a fake Injun is more important than Dump being a real fraud.

R33 Its not a competition. Trump can be a massive grifter liar and asswipe. And Warren can be a bit of a sanctimonious hypocrite.

No contest, babe

Because TRUMP was evil means Warren gets a pass? So how many political liars in USA does Trump's evil cancel out?

A pass for what? For being misinformed about her ancestry?.

It's 2022, who gives a flying fuck?

R20 - Yes. Trying doing more than sitting on the beach the next time you are there.

I personally love love love the name Sacheen Littlefeather. Ring a ring ding.

It’s time to let people be who they want to be. Sacheen wanted to be Native American. Let her be that! Stop trying to bring people down by genealogical research! What if you were the offspring to a convicted serial killer! FFS!

Can you politics obsessed folks please go away. I'm so tired of Trumps stankin orange ass somehow brought up in every thread. I don't want to see his ugly face. Also I realize that person who brought up Trump made a perfectly reasonable argument to the Warren hater.

R37 You believe that deflection and I've got a bridge in New York for sale.

Having Native American ancestry was de rigeur back in the '70s. Just ask Cher.

Like Warren is the enemy, r36....

Who said Warren is the enemy. What you cunts are saying is Warren was not a liar because Trump is the biggest liar.

You’re all a bunch of liars!

You're saying she knowingly lied, r45?

How did Sacheen connect with Brando? Why did he pick HER? He must have known lots of full-blood Native Americans.

R48, wasn't Brando BPD. He might have accepted her narcissism as she was loyal to the end.

I wonder if this story is true.

[quote] She told reporters that John Wayne had to be held back by six security guards to prevent him from rushing the stage and assaulting her.

R50 It's not. It was throughly debunked by some writer recently, but it sounded like bull even back then. He was dying of cancer, how was he strong enough to fight off six men and attempt to rush the stage?

Someone told me that Sacheen was really adopted and her DNA genealogical data shows she is African American. Represent!

I’m surprised the sisters did not have a dna test to establish at least some general genetic verification of their ancestry.

Or maybe they did and didn’t want to publicize it.

This bitch was NavaHOE

R54, crying. 😆 I spit out my tea.

You go girl!

P.S. Tootsie had a floppy disk

I hate Trump but these "But Trump..." people are so annoying, whenever a legitimate fault of some Democrat is pointed out. Wtf does Trump have to do with Elizabeth Warren lying about her ethnicity? Did he make her do it?

Every single one of the tribal chiefs at the Vancouver Olympics in 2010 was a a white man. Now that truly was disgusting.

R58, actually you are right. Good points.

Meanwhile native American sex workers were being murdered all over BC and Alberta and nobody gave a damn.

R59, what do you mean. Did they present white. I cannot wait until we live in a post color world.

Sacheens Littlefeather”s big pussy in Playboy! Complete with a concho belt and squash blossom necklace!

I'm very gay but I imagine if I was straight, I would have hit that R63.

There was no reason to bring up Senator Warren other than maga thinks calling her Pocahontas is cute.

Was Sacheen inspiration for....

Rachel Dolezal....

I brought up Warren to be snarky, and because her equal opportunity lie is very much within the theme of the thread.

People can't seem to accept that some Democrats, like myself, are annoyed by Miss Warren's little scam.

And you're the poor debater who now brings up Pocahontas, R65, because I certainly did not.

Uh oh. I feel it, this thread has all the makings of a DL classic.

I get a lot of flak for attacking these kind of things about ndns in the mainstream...

but the public loves the noble savage motif.

they don't validate ndns unless they play the stereotypical part

govt plays heavily into this, too

to the fact that most Americans don't understand what tribal govts are or even exist, and why they are really courted by politcians outside the p.r. dressed in regaila, cry for the dead indians for long gone past and support tribal govt corruption now, the past throwback you all refuse to let evolve beyond the living anthropological exhibit.

but that's the shit of being a minority in general, if you actually try to address real problems in your community and not the p.r. grift, you become an outsider in the mainstream that celebrates the victimhood and doesn't want to prevent it.

She looks blue to me.

The oppression Olympics totem pole strikes again!

You're confused. This is not a debate, it's an anonymous message board I spend too much time visiting. Why bring up Senator Warren at all, there is enough meat on the bone about Littlefeather to chew over.

Pocahontas gives maga a little boner. Teehee. The president is so kkkute.

R9 What do you mean by looked more mexican than indian? Mexican are mostly mix of natives and europeans

You're the one fixated on all that R74. The theme of the thread is masquerade and its advantages in American culture. The latest example is Littlefeather.

r73

[quote] Victimhood and its many inflections is the easiest way to see how romantic primitivism continues to survive even among anthropologists who wish to disown it.

[quote] But how does a moral agenda generate romantic primitivism? Solidarity with indigenous people is especially complicated because our field of meaning for this term is a product of colonialism. Conceptually speaking, Native Americans did not come into existence until Europeans decided that the human populations of the western hemisphere should be lumped together under the heading of Indians

r74 fauxahontas matters because it's the same kind of power grasping for not only the exploitation granted by equity privileges granted upon a disadvantaged demographic but the sociocultural position of authority... these pretendians take the role as being a voice of authority for a community through deception, it's not as if it's something they couldn't have done without the masquerade. . . it's as insidious as revisionists and supremacy cults, it ends up only distorting truth. Warren's excuse for why she believed she was is akin to parody, satire... because of all the absurd reasons people believe they are one. Which makes it that much harder for card carrying to be recognized as legit -- frankly, why so many inside the community embrace the rolls and blood quantum qualifers -- that are so despised on the outside, because of all this shit... not that it doesn't lead to problems of purity checks, tests and exploitation on the interior... setting up a greater stage of ndn govt corruption -- which the public ignores because they're too busy fapping to their primitive romanticism fantasies and their desire to be a tolkien elf.

But was she cherokee cherokee?

This reminds me growing up, most of my grade school years were in black schools and half the class would swear they was a quarter Cherokee 🤣.

Teehee hee. He kkkalled her Pocahontas. The president, he is so funny.

Maybe she was Two Spirit.

She kept this up for more than half a century?

r81 another pretendian concept of social politics that they try to forcibly hammer as a universal trait of indigenous cultures...

among any group the easiest way to identify a pretendian is by how obsessed they are with tradition...

because inside every community, while there's a few genuinely interested in culture, history, traditions...

the majority look to the outside.

pretendians are always like born again christians or other converts.,.. or someone successfully completed 12 steps, or is a "political" vegetarian/vegan, or does crossfit.

^ they have no other identity.

Honey, it was a grift. One she had a lot of help keeping up for five decades. Her own family helped her maintain it by waiting for her death to speak up.

I am not too educated on the Native American tribal system. But from what I know about ancient Germanic or Celtic tribes, lineage or 'genetic' origin didn't matter much. Tribes formed almost at will depending on needs and situation. Tribes dissolved, merged with others, and then you belonged to that one. So if you found access into a tribe, then that's what you were, no matter who you belonged to in the past. That's probably overly simplified. But as a concept it sounds easier than nowadays need to prove your genes in order to belong.

February 2021:

[quote]Recently, a professor at the University of New Hampshire allegedly created a Twitter account on which he masqueraded as an immigrant woman of color… In September, the country learned about CV Vitolo-Haddad, a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who resigned from a teaching position after admitting on social media that they falsely claimed to be a person of color. Just the week before, there was the revelation about Jessica Krug, a former professor at the George Washington University who posed as Black throughout her professional career. In August, Twitter suspended the account of BethAnn McLaughlin, a former professor at Vanderbilt University who, among other things, fabricated an account on which she took on the identity of a Native American woman. And of course, any mention of racial deception recalls the head-spinning journey of Rachel Dolezal, the activist and former Eastern Washington University professor who in 2015 was revealed to be cosplaying as a Black person.

[quote]I hate Trump but these "But Trump..." people are so annoying, whenever a legitimate fault of some Democrat is pointed out. Wtf does Trump have to do with Elizabeth Warren lying about her ethnicity? Did he make her do it?

So you think she knowingly lied about it, r58?

[quote]I brought up Warren to be snarky, and because her equal opportunity lie is very much within the theme of the thread.

[quote]People can't seem to accept that some Democrats, like myself, are annoyed by Miss Warren's little scam.

So, r58/r68 - You do think she intentionally lied about it. Got it. And it annoys you *so* much that you just have to be snarky about it. Got it. The majority of Democrats are annoyed by much, *much* bigger things. But...you do you.

R79, in grade school, there were several blond, blue-eyed white kids who claimed to be 1/4 or 1/8 Cherokee. It was always Cherokee. Then in junior high school, I met my first Chickasaw, a chubby white girl from Missouri, who claimed to be 1/16 Chickasaw. This was in SoCal, so I'm amazed I never met anybody claiming Chumash of Cahuilla lineage.

^^ Chumash OR Cahuilla

Of course Warren knowingly lied. Look at her registration card in r56. "𝑅𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝐼𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑎𝑛". Even taking Liz's story at face value her supposed Indian background was only secondary, not definitional.. She was deliberately playing the system and in so doing cheating people out of opportunities whose background would have actually applied.

Sacheen likewise was defrauding people, but unlike Warren Littlefeather got away with it.

R89

[quote]DNA analysis, performed by Stanford University professor Carlos Bustamante, concluded that while the “vast majority” of Warren’s ancestry is European, the results “strongly suggest” Native American heritage six to 10 generations ago.

That's a majority European white person with some Native Ancestry many generations ago, yet she claimed on a form that her race was "American Indian." Maybe that's not deliberately lying, but what is it? It's not the truth, either.

I wasn't stating that opinion in my post, though. I just questioned what Trump has to do with it.

r87 not so much your genes, because the genetic theories on ndns and their ancient migration theories is still highly debatable... and within the field of genetics, there is much that is prey to the political than the expection of science to be neutral. but other realities, also come into play due to the realities of early mixing, some by choice, some by force and again, migrations, removals, etc.

tribal govts are not racial govt -those that require blood quantum that is more convoluted and varies from each to each, where as the rolls are another matter... more simplified on one hand because it's more about the genealogical, but that is not without problems nor corruption risks. Cherokees, btw, are roll members... so percentages largely don't mean shit and thus, cherokees tend to be rather diverse phenotypically. It's like being a Jew, to most Jews you are one or you aren't. Now, for Jews, this gets into debate and complications, too, especially with ethno-religious law, but still there are similarities in how this culturally perceived and socially handled. Now, Keetoowahs aka early settlers, do measure by some aspect of quantum.

Most, especially the larger, it is more you are a citizen of that tribal nation and yes, like being a citizen of U.S. where many expect you to identify as an American first and utmost, tribal nations expect you to identify as a member of the namesake tribe. . .

however, many are made up of several "tribes" due that are bound together because of treaties. Some tribes affiliated with one have since been granted federal recognition... and, then to complicate matters more, there are groups like the freedmen, which often are intermxied and shouldn't be considered separate but this is more complicated to discuss because people on the outside typically can't differentiate between the legal standings (not that people inside are able to do much better) because there are ndns that are black and then there are the freedman. (Though now, much of that is consider them full members, at least on paper) as well as secondary tribes that retain their individual tribal identity yet exist in this grey area compared to unrecognized groups within a tribal govt. (But again, many of those have since been federally recognized. The grey area is that even if recognized and awarded land, it's often in areas pre-removal and aside from the need to relocate to the new, they would lose many benefits if leaving a larger tribal govt to not just small but a newly founded one)

anyway, that's about as coherent as I can get right now. got distracted and lost my train of thought of how I was trying to explain this to the plebs.

R89 By the way, what if she'd had some Black or Asian or Latino ancestors10 generations back? And then she said her race was one of those? I doubt she'd have been given a pass on that.

Whatever, r96. It's a tempest in a teacup. Anyone making a big deal of this in 2022 is either screwed up in their priorities or a troll.

10 generations back I'm related to the Haus Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, and 33 generations ago to Genghis Khan. This is why I check "lizard" and "Central Asian" on all questionnaires that ask.

r97 so, you don't believe native americans should have autonomy?

r97 or in other words, anyone making a big deal about someone that exploited resources and received benefits that should have been afforded only to recognized tribal govt citizens, which as much on the institutions that conferred those benefits and privileges onto her... should be held accountable and that because she's on the left or was well intentioned, this somehow excuses her for this appropriation... which is more than mere cultural appropriation.

r97 it's also made far worse by her status as a politician in the federal govt... if we really want to get into it.

Don't bother, that poor shrill poster, "it's all gravy compared to TRUMP", is too damaged to think this through critically.

[quote]CV Vitolo-Haddad, currently a PhD candidate in journalism and mass communication at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, had been conditionally offered a tenure-track position at the Central Valley campus of the California State University, pending a background check, the university said.

[quote]But after allegations surfaced that Vitolo-Haddad, who uses the gender pronoun they, had identified as Black and Latinx without belonging to either group, the university reversed course.

[quote]It's a tempest in a teacup.

This expression confuses me. I always heard "tempest in a teapot". Though, don't the English say, "storm in a teacup"? Maybe we could call it a tempest in a teepee, in this case.

r99/r100 - I don't see any possible benefit to bashing a Democratic senator three weeks before midterms over an issue that was overly magnified by Trump. The issue was settled. Warren apologized in 2019. Where have I written "it's all gravy compared to TRUMP", r102? "Far worse", r101? Sorry trolls, you're not going to get to *lock her up*.

R105, Oh my, get off your fkin high horse. No thread on DL is influencing an election. You people need help, living through politicians.

Oh cut the dramatic theatrical party purity cosplay. Datalounge threads have ZERO impact on the electorate.

R105 So you sweep things under the rug that are true, because "midterms"? Maybe elect more honest politicians.

[quote]The simplest solution may be the right one: they waited because then she wouldn't be able to defend herself.

But why worry about her reaction more than about their father's character being maligned? He went to his grave with a lot of people thinking he was an abusive Apache, when he was nothing of the sort. Was she paying them all off? You'd think he or one of their mothers would have said something, even though the sisters didn't.

I truly think R105 is that far gone, and low enough in IQ and information literacy, that he can't think in subtle registers. And can't fathom that some Democrats were pissed off at Warren for her mendacity.

Bitch, we are discussing Sacheen Littlefeathers 50 years of grifting. Not Senator Warren.

It's also possible that R105 has a vagina so is extra protective of the "positive role model and warrior for the proletariat" Elizabeth Warren.

Who is that??????

"Mendacity", r110?

Sure, Big Daddy, sure.

It is really too bad the greenish colored, foul smelling vagina that shat you out wasn't sewn shut before your "birth".

It never takes long for class, education and IQ to be revealed. In this instance, woeful lack of...

Your mothers green kkkunt.

The look on her face was pure scammer.

And the outfit??

And I laughed and I laughed.

𝑊𝑜𝑘𝑒 White People Keep Posing As People of Color for Clout

2013

[quote]A white Republican won a local election in Houston, Texas, by pretending he is black, KHOU 11 reported.

[quote]The unorthodox campaign for a seat on the Houston Community College Board of Trustees revolved around campaign mailers that "strongly implied he was black," according to the network.

[quote]The mailers featured "smiling African-American faces — which he readily admits he just lifted off websites — and captioned with the words, 'Please vote for our friend and neighbor Dave Wilson'" over 24-year incumbent Bruce Austin. He won in the heavily black district by just 26 votes.

[quote]Wilson, who the network described as a "political mischief-maker," included the fact that he was "endorsed by Ron Wilson." In Houston, voters take that to mean he was endorsed by longtime state representative Ron Wilson, who is black. In the fine print, though, Dave Wilson clarified that he was talking about his cousin endorsing him.

That's all well and good, r87, but her family was never part of the Navajo or Apache tribes she claimed to be descended from.

[quote]the pseudonym in question – Yi-Fen Chou – is the name of one of Hudson’s former high school classmates from Fort Wayne, Indiana. While the real-life Chou refused to speak to the paper directly, her sister said that the woman was furious at the appropriation of her name for this purpose. She is asking Hudson to stop using the name. Chou’s sister, Ellen Chou, added that in her own opinion, Hudson’s move showed “careless disregard for Chinese people and for Asians”.

[quote]Hudson is a genealogist at the Allen County library in Fort Wayne. His work has been published under his own name in several prestigious American literary journals, such as Poetry and the North American Review. A screenshot of his biographical note in the anthology began circulating on Monday, in which Hudson admits to using the pseudonym whenever a poem of his has been rejected “several times”. He believed that using the pseudonym increased the chances of his being accepted.

Typical datalounger

[quote]In 1991, literary magazines around the United States began receiving mysterious packages containing the poems of Araki Yasusada, a deceased and entirely unknown Japanese poet with a spectacular backstory: he was a lonesome Hiroshima survivor whose absorbingly spare lines about the bombing and his small life in its wake... The poems were often accompanied by diary fragments, scraps of paper with translations and exercises or a sketch of his face. Prominent journals published and praised Yasusada’s work, which was unusually experimental given his seeming isolation; there was a book in the works. But there was no Yasusada. When pressure was applied to the poet’s biography, it crumbled: his entire life was a fiction, supposedly crafted by an equally obscure Japanese translator named Tosa Motokiyu. But there was no Motokiyu, either. You get the idea. The Yasusada poems eventually pointed back to Kent Johnson, a middle-aged white poet who was then teaching in Illinois.

Sacheen had a brown ugly pussy

What about Shawn King? His story always seemed suspect, to me.

[quote]Jeffery Shaun King was born in Franklin, Kentucky and raised in Versailles, Kentucky. Although his birth certificate names Jeffery Wayne King as the father, King stated in 2015 that his mother told him his actual biological father is a light-skinned Black man.

Too bad your moms didn't sew up hers.

Too bad I wanna shit on your eyes

And they waited until now to announce this.....why?

Let's see...how many lives did Brando destroy? I was an almost!

r105 and there you go again dismissing it because you believe any criticism of her actions, for any reason, by anyone must make them a trump supproter.

Again, why are the Democrats losing so many minority voters?

Speak about any issue that may lead to criticism or reflect poorly on Democrats and watch the bigotry come out.,., the dismissiveness towards said groups and individuals. Get told over and over you're a magat, you're a trumper, you're a republican, you're scum... watch in so many threads all forms of bigotry comes out especially when a fraction of those leaving are minorities. . . the minorities that Democrats claim to champion while also saying if you don't vote for us, you'll lose your identity... or recognition of. But claiming ancestry on a cookbook, well, that's a-ok.

ignore the federal incursion on tribal autonomy by an elected official that benefited from this exploitation for decades... no doubt, had she been republican, you would find that acceptable.

Herschel Walker falsely claimed to be Native American....the Republicans who attack Elizabeth Warren won't mention this

R132, most minorities are Democrats. Hate to break it to you. The Republican Party is 90% white

Save your shit for the bitch who cares. No one else does.

r133 Ah, yes, now we have to proactively mention every grifter. You brought it up, so discuss it more. The same goes to him. I don't know why you assume it would be any different.

Herschel Walker, Cherokee Princess

Are you Republicans going to call Herschel "Pocahontas" as well?

r134 Then try telling that to your fellow Democrats that go fullblown racist every time they hear about a fraction voting republican. . . such as has been the case with headlines involving latinos for the past year -- small fraction that are but full hate from self professed dems across social media.

r138 Geronimo Jones, maybe.

Did Sacheen ever get permanent monuments erected by a city in honor of her false identity?

[quote]Democrats that go fullblown racist

Your trolling is sooo substandard, r139.

Marsha said clearly he was not trans. He was not a grifter with a faked identity.

In all fairness Hereshel claimed to be only a quarter cherokee which a quarter of anything nonblack still makes you black in America because of the history of slavery and miscegenation laws. I'm sure he wasn't checking it on applications, and using it as an ethnic identity.

But I told yall this was a thing. I'm a late 80s millenial, blacks love claiming the Cherokee thing especially if they have what black people deem as "good hair" or are light skin.

Btw I want Hereshel to lose that election. He is one of the most ignorant politicians in recent memory.

Actually I take that back, that cunt Marjorie Green might have bested him.

Late to the discussion but, hasn't the whole Sacheen thing been known for a long time. I knew it and I am a nobody from nowhere.

The list is long, r145.

r142 right, it's people with other agendas... like when rad fems try to boost up Storme as the true shero of stonewall, while everything about her they would hate, because they're trying to

r141 It's not trolling, check under every article and new report that makes claims of latinos going republican which has been weekly since the start of this year... you can find those across twitter, instagram, tiktok, even here. heck the numerous threads here including those that voiced offense being upset about Dr. Jill Biden's love of tacos -- just as many had criticized Trump for the same but the hatred comes out because some feel it matters who more than what.

r143 every group seems to want to claim some cherokee if they have high cheekbones, too.

Wait.

What DID happen to that Oscar?

R142, I agree that Marsha was not a grifter but clearly there were grifters and grifting involved with getting those monuments installed in NY.

That's my memory, r146.

I know she sucked brando off for years

you know, while not on here...

Sharice Davids has also received racist comments for addressing issues and problems with Biden's loan forgiveness plan.

Now the Acadeny Awardd is left with egg on their face - again.

I just want to say this thread has been completely hijacked by the Warren v. Trump debate in a very hysterical way. Whats what's funny--to the Warren Stan I will say this, you amplified the whole thing by bringing up Trump. The poster who posted Warrens facade should have been reacted with a simple lol and bitchy response. I didn't even know the extent of her fraud. I thought she was just some elder white Democrat who claimed to be part Indian to appear hip and cool. I never knew how deep she ran with it and done so for years. And I somewhat respected her and her arguments on CNN.

It's ironic that you made this so serious, because actually what she did was really realy wrong, and borderline fraud.

How big was her pussy? Brando was big.

But didn't this all come out years ago? She was hired to play a part. And wasn't it only recently that wokesters rewrote reality and presented her as being an actual Native American?

[quote]those that voiced offense being upset about Dr. Jill Biden's love of tacos

You have to do better, r148...lol.

Yes, R146, it came out a long time ago that she was a fake, but then in recent years, somehow she got "rehabilitated", and everyone (i.e. the media) started accepting that she was real. Well, she wasn't.

R139, Republicans are the real racists. It's why most black, Asian, and Latino elected officials are Democrats. And almost all openly gay elected officials are Dems. Why would a gay person be a cheerleader for a racist, homophobic political party?

[quote]It's ironic that you made this so serious, because actually what she did was really realy wrong, and borderline fraud.

lol

R153, and yet she's a Dem, like most Native American elected officials. Native Americans helped Biden get elected in states like Arizona.

R160 Nobody should be a cheerleader for a racist party, but other than identity politics, the Democrats have lost me, also. Both parties are great if you're well off and don't need health care, education or housing that doesn't bankrupt you.

Littlefeather claimed to have had a brother that died of AIDS circa 1989, yet neither her, her father or mothers obituaries or any public records have any reference to the supposed brother. Pretty sick if she lied about that too. Makes you wonder how much of the claims she made have any truth to them at all.

Mexicans can hold their liquor better than Indians. I live in Arizona and have drank with both. Native Americans invariably wet their pants.

If this woman was white, no one would be defending her.

Mexicans are NOT native. Having a small amount of Native blood, as many Latinos have, does not make one a Native. They have no connection to Native culture; it takes more then DNA to be Native or else any White person with 1% native DNA could claim it.

Not n enrolled member of any tribe, didn’t live on the Rez. Tried to be an actress, didn’t work.

Who's defending her, r166?

Didn't Sacheen graduate from Harvard Business School with Prof. Tyra Banks?

R163, it's Dems who are trying to lower costs for Healthcare. And Dems who want to help people with student loans

The woman who wrote this article has tons of issues

Now I wonder if the Mazola lady was faking.

Angelina Newsom is a freelancer, with no serious academic credentials.

R171 She has an agenda for sure, but that doesn't mean all of what she posted was inaccurate. She really did her research on Littlefeather in particular and not only was she or her father not a member of the tribes she claimed to be a member of, but there was also no evidence of any of her ancestors dating back to 1850 having any affiliation with any tribe or anything native related. She was a fraud.

I just read her Wikipedia entry, she was so full of shit!

On topic, looks like she has implants in the Playboy photos at R63

Perhaps because they look bolted on, r175?

R175 It's obvious she or someone connected to her wrote most of the Wikipedia article. Easily one of the most overblown articles on there. She was really good at promoting herself over the years though so there were a number of newspaper articles out there, many of which that probably weren't fact checked very well. I'd say the majority of it is total BS.

R175 R63

Those do not look real.

R170 Small performative gestures. Coincidentally, I just watched a podcast today where they talked about Dems still running on "trying to" do things they will still be trying to do five years from now. Medicare was introduced in the 60s. The intention was to to expand it to cover everyone. 60 years later we're still waiting for the age to be lowered to 60 (Biden campaign promise).

[quote]But 85% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans are in favor of lowering the Medicare age to as young as 50, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll.

.Almost 70% of Republicans! What voters want just doesn't enter into it. I would love it if the Democrats were doing anything substantial, I would cheer for it, but they serve the health care industry, corporations, and Wall Street, not us.

How dare you besmirch our good name by dragging us into this! We had absolutely nothing to do with this mess!

How very dare you!

[quote] hasn't the whole Sacheen thing been known for a long time.

Apparently not to woke people

R180 that fake bitch sucked all of those cocks?!

[quote]Again, why are the Democrats losing so many minority voters?

Many minorities are working class, less financially secure, and the Democrats aren't doing a lot for them. The Democrats shouldn't lose minorities and they wouldn't if they created bold legislation for health care, housing, and education that favors the working class.

[quote] Just like the Native American man, who had a tear in his eye...in the ad about pollution. He really was Italian.

FFS, at this rate it's going to emerge that Pocahontas and Crazy Horse were actually white as well.

Sacheen was fake and into porn

Mexican is a nationality, not an ethnicity. She could be 100% white. Even if she had indigenous ancestry, it was minimal and she had no connection with any community.

The author of the SF Chronicle piece also wrote a blog post further outlining Littlefeather's non-exisitent Native ancestry. There's nothing there. Her mother was European. Her father's family in Mexico and after arriving in the US always identified as White, Caucasian or Mexican. Her father's family registered to vote and attneded school in Arizona when Natives couldn't attend public school there and couldn't vote.

She found an article in the Salinas newspaper quoting the photographer who first photographed her in a Native American outfit as calling her a faker.

Yet the reaction has been pretty hostile not toward Littllefeather but toward Keeler, the Navajo author of this piece. Some have argued that no one who isn't Native should speak about this issue. "Stay in your lane!" Which is ironic considering what Littlefeather is accused of. Others have said because she was half-Mexican that means she was Native anyway. But to say that flattens down the identity of all Native American tribes into a single identity. And Littlefeather specifically claimed Apache ancestry, not that of an indigenous tribe in Mexico. Even worse Littlefeather leaned into stereotypes of Indians, saying her father was an awful abuser who treated them terribly. She defamed him.

[quote]Her father's family registered to vote and attneded school in Arizona when Natives couldn't attend public school there and couldn't vote.

Okay but my Chickasaw great-great-great-grandmother lied and said she was Mexican so she could go to school, and also so they wouldn't send her back to the reservation, so this one bit of evidence isn't very convincing. Keeler shouldn't have included that part, honestly. She's researched this kind of thing often enough that she has to have come across people who lied about being Mexican before.

I'm not saying Littlefeather wasn't a fraud. She probably was. I just don't know why Native organizations didn't bring this up decades ago.

Also, let's be honest: her sisters hated her and brought it up the second she died and couldn't respond, and people still hate Littlefeather for the Oscar speech, and they're mad that she "lied about John Wayne," and very few actual Native people are saying anything about this. It makes it seem like spite, rather than clearing the air or wanting to tell the truth. People are going to instinctively question the timing and the information because of how it's being presented right now.

If there was a book about her written that came out in a year or two and it revealed she wasn't Native, you'd get a MUCH different response.

Two of Canada's most prominent First Nations academics have been outed in the last years as fake. The two of them claimed Indian ancestry and benefited from affirmative action and grants designated for First Nations people. Both claimed their families were wrought with domestic abuse and grew up on reservations, when actually they were raised in middle class suburbia. Unable to prove their ancestry, they started to claim that they were spiritually Firsr Nations and seemed to have convicned themselves over the years that they were truly Native.

R188 that's interesting and all. But there's documentation that shows Littlefeather's family moved from central Mexicao (a few decades before she was born) to Arizona. Her family lived in parts of the state with few Nataive Americans. Nobody from the family ever identified as Native except her. It wasn't like her grandfather was born on a reservation in Arizona and adopted a Mexican persona to secure better fortune for his family.

I am aware, r190, and I made it very clear that my objection was to that one specific bit of evidence about them being able to go to school.

I don't doubt that she was a fraud, but I also think the sisters waiting to out her posthumously is odd. Were they afraid she'd sue them or something?

R192 Possibly. But they say they waited because it didn’t seem like a big deal, but now that “Little Feather” was becoming an icon, and now that Pretendians are becoming a well known issue, they want to speak out.

It is.a shame that what should be an important moment in history is now tainted by lies. But if Brando would have picked an American Indian woman based on activism as opposed to their looks, then maybe it wouldn’t have happened.

I found a shocking clip from the Oscars that year after poor Sacheen tried to do an indigenous Apache ceremonial dance.

Her Oscar getup looked like she rented it from the Warner Bros. costume department.

r162 No shit, ms. obtuse. the point was because EVEN AS A DEMOCRAT she received this kind of hate FROM OTHER DEMOCRATS for criticizing the loan forgiveness plan. . . and the hostility that is present makes it where you cannot question the administration or the democrats as a collective whole without the assumption you must be a magat and once deemed a magat, there are many on the left which believes it gives them a free pass to be a bigot.

Authentic Apache fashions for comparison

taco flavored kisses

Did Marlon split-roast her with his Big Feather?

There are only rare occasions you can honorable fake Indian ancestry and Warren's greed or Sacheen's porno career both fall short.

According to a series of tweets purportedly between one of Sacheen's sister and some rando, the sisters thought they were Native Americans until Keeler contacted them and told them her findings. They had relatives from Mexico who had always told them it was Yaqui territory. They also had relatives from Florence, Arizona which she says is Apache territory so she has always assumed they had Native American ancestry just that Sacheen had more details about it than they did.

Also, the bad blood reportedly stemmed from not only the lies about their father and upbringing but Sacheen's mental illness and the abuse she did towards their mother

Oscar Memoriam?

Have we not established that it's enough to "identify" as something in order to actually be that thing?

That penised persons can be actual women, and refusing to call them women is literal violence?

Sacheen chose what she wanted to be, and we need to accept that and never again mention her deadname, Cruz.

She’s trans tomahawk.