Full trailer drops for "The Crown," season 5

The actors playing Charles and Camilla are WAY too goodlooking while the actress playing Diana is not nearly attractive enough.

Not attractive enough? Debicki is very pretty.

You'd be hard pressed to find an actress in the UK who looks more like Diana in her 30s than does Elisabeth Debicki.

Sorry, r1.

Their advertising tagline is a bad choice: "The Beginning of the End."

I'm sure they mean that to refer to Diana heading towards her death, but it comes across now as referring to the Queen's death.

Agree OP, Staunton seems surprisingly better than I thought she would be. Hopefully, she’s an improvement on Olivia Colman (who I’ve appreciated in other roles) who disappointed in Foy’s footsteps.

West doesn’t come off in the trailer as a convincing Charles, and the actress portraying Diana seems odd. Not familiar with her, but I also don’t find her attractive as Diana for some reason.

This recent iteration of The Crown has generated controversy, and it’s not even out yet. With the Queen’s death, the debacle that is composed of The Harkles, and the implosion of Liz Truss damaging the UK, I am in two minds about giving Netflix clicks for this season; even though I eagerly watched all the prior series.

What royal funeral occurred between 1989 and 1995 (after which Diana was not a part of the royal family)? Or would they all be at a funeral for a prime minister?

Agree, I never found Diana pretty, but she had an IT factor and was attractive. This actress has none of those things. That said, I just saw the trailer and it looks good. I only like the show in the Diana years.

Well, you cannot exactly replicate a historical figure in casting a movie, though Dataloungers remain convinced somehow you can if you just try hard enough.

Jonathan Pryce is terrible casting as Philip. Philip had the arrogance of someone who was considered to be extremely handsome back in the day. Pryce is not handsome at all. He would have been perfect as the sinister Tory pervert Peter Mandelson, though.

West is good looking? News to me.

Compared to the real King Charles III, Dominic West is Adonis himself.

How many more seasons are they planning? I know they said they weren't going up to the modern day but given the old girl was still living when they said that I wonder if they can resist the temptation of doing the beginning to the bitter end.

r12, they're only planning to do six seasons, and they have said recently the show will end with the marriage of Charles and Camilla in 2005.

If the show does go beyond six seasons, it will likely not be with the current showrunner and show creator Peter Morgan in charge. He has been adamant it is too hard to do his story about the Queen without about two decades more or less between himself and the events he is describing. Dataloungers have repeatedly said they don't believe that because they think the story of Harry and Meghan is just too enticing (because it would be to them!), but Morgan has also said he is especially not interested in dramatizing the Harry and Meghan circus.

Who plays Weather-Beaten Old Whore Cunt this time around?

The late Alan Rickman would have been a good Philip.

For a second, I thought you were proposing him for Camilla (!!)

[quote] Who plays Weather-Beaten Old Whore Cunt this time around?

Kate's not in it this season.

Alan Rickman would have been wrong for Philip. Way too short, for starters.

It should have been Charles Dance. I don’t care if he already played Mountbatten in an earlier season.

The voice may say Her Majesty, but the face says Dolores Umbridge.

I imagine some Kent or Gloucester might have died in that timeframe.

The British government itself requested Netflix put a disclaimer on The Crown that it wasn't actual history the other year and got told no. Charles calls in a favour from Judi Dench and it happens the next day. Is she a mafia don?

[quote]Agree, I never found Diana pretty, but she had an IT factor and was attractive. This actress has none of those things.

Debicki can be quite magnetic on screen. I’m interested to see what she does with the role.

Daddy Dominic🤤

Mandelson is a LABOUR politician r9. By "sinister pervert", do you mean homosexual?

R5, I thought the problem was that the actress was so much more conventionally pretty than Diana.

With her weird nose, Diana was never going to be a conventional beauty.

It was impeccable styling that made her a beauty.

Casting for this is a disaster. They just took the first people to show up at the auditions?

"She'll do."

"The Crown" Season 8 is a re-eanctment of the Royal Family's highs and lows THE DAY AFTER they occur.

Almost in real time, but the producers need 24 hours to script and shoot the episodes.

The trailer makes it very clear; Phillip did have Diana assassinated.

I was shocked when I found out that Olivia Colman was "posh" she doesn't style herself that way.

"Bittersweet Symphony," nice choice of background music. Debicki looks close enough and can probably act. I'll reserve final judgment until I watch, but she seems a bit chilly, lacking Diana's winsome quality. Also, she's too thin; in this "revenge dress" photo she looks like a chicken wing.

R13 He probably doesn't know quite how to handle the Harry and Meghan saga, too many landmines, he doesn't want to get canceled.

Basically remake BAPS but with one girl instead of 2.

R9 Why do you say Peter Mandelson a pervert?

I stand corrected about Mandelson being a Labour politician, not a Tory.

I labeled him a “sinister pervert” because I thought there were rumors that he hired under age rent boys.

Debicki looks more like Tina Brown than Diana.

Very few women can carry off that Diana hairstyle.

I've never heard of those rumours, r34.

Can Helena Bonham-Carter return as the ghost of Princess Margaret?

If Jonathan Pryce and Dominic West are involved, I will watch

Debicki is pretty and a great actress, so I’m sure she can pull off the role. However, Diana had an athletic body that looked great in clothes. In all the promotional photos I’ve seen, Debicki looks like a twig.

Why did Diana sound Australian?

To me, Staunton is the best-cast of the 3 Queen Elizabeths in the series so far. She's been one of my favorite actresses foryears.

I just don’t know if I can get past her Vera Drake, I’m going to be looking at the Queen, but thinking she’s an abortionist?

R41 Elizabeth Debicki is Australian, not that that’s an excuse. I assume that she was going for an aristocratic drawl.

OP rather than at a funeral it’s possible that they were all at Remembrance Sunday where the dress code is black.

Ay nay, she sounds Australian?

Imelda Staunton looks like Mrs. Patmore's long lost sister, too plebeian.

Agree, Staunton looks like she should be scrubbing dishes in the kitchen, too common to be queen

Colman played the Queen as if she were clinically depressed, always that forlorn look in her eyes. Her BROWN eyes, The Queen had blue eyes! Aren't there coloured contacts for such things?

I gather that there were discussions between Morgan and Colman re contacts and Morgan decided it would be OK for Colman not to wear them.

Could color contacts actually make dark brown eyes look like any kind of blue other than a very dark blue? If that's the case maybe they felt it wasn't worth it.

Don’t it make my brown eyes blue.

If the fire is a big element in this then there’s got to be a substantial bit of Edward in it as well, as he helped evacuate artworks during the conflagration. Who is playing him? Perhaps that music chap all the young people are so in love with Harry Styles?

Haven't watched "The Crown" since season two. This "following Diana into the tunnel" thing doesn't encourage me to go back to it.

[quote] I gather that there were discussions between Morgan and Colman re contacts and Morgan decided it would be OK for Colman not to wear them.

Morgan said they tried both colored contacts and CGI to change the color of Colman's eyes, and everyone agreed in the end it hampered her expressivity with her eyes too much. So they deicded to keep them the same color as they are in real life.

That was Andrew, R53.

West doesn’t play a convincing Charles, he seems too rugged and strong. Charles is more of needy, selfish, very posh, type.

Good point, r45. It's also outside and royal and royal-related burials are not usually held in a cemetery but in interior spaces.

R48, that would be hair and costume, not the actor.

The Diana death scene rumors are 100% BP press office bullshit.

Quite scandalous!

^^ aka Weather-Beaten Old Whore Cunt

[quote]The Diana death scene rumors are 100% BP press office bullshit.

British Petroleum?

Buckingham Palace

So West is playing Charles as if he were Stephen Boyd? That's the worst casting possible

With West King Charles should claim they are home movies.

R1 Truthfully I think Debicki is much more beautiful than Diana ever was though I guess these things are subjective.

She can’t pull off the hairstyle. I know Diana was tall, but this was appears to be a giraffe. She is super tall and thin.

I loved the early season of The Crown but the last series left me cold. Maybe because I remember the events it highlighted and it was obviously slanted even to me. Plus, Olivia Colman was terrible as the Queen. This one is so flagrantly exploitation. Re-enacting Di's funeral? Why?

R68 that actress is well over six feet tall in flats. I'd be shocked if she wasn't. She has a lovely face which obviously films quite well. I bet she's gorgeous in person. I'm willing to give her a shot.

Is this season going to have Princess Margaret's bath scene? She was scalded in a hot bath at some point, right? Margaret always intrigued me for some reason. I don't know the chronology of such things and need to read a book on the lady at some point.

According to this site Debicki is 6’1” 3/4.

[quote]Jonathan Pryce is terrible casting as Philip.

Agreed; I'll miss Toby Menzies as Phillip. He had his chiseled features and was still handsome as an older man, but had that arrogant & condescending tone.

I liked earlier years of The Crown but the Diana Saga has been *so* covered. I'd actually be more interested to see how the Queen navigated around Mr. Smug himself, Tony Blair. It's hard to remember there was a time when he looked like a reformer and she was about as charming as stale bread. Ironic that the old girl got the last laugh in the end.

I love Imelda Staunton, but playing a royal? No. And Dominic West has always had sex appeal, whereas Charles....Really bad casting.

This is a case where we were not yet ready to move on from Emma Corrin and Josh O'Connor.

If we just bitch enough about the re-casting on this show, they'll of course listen to us and use the people we prefer!

The actress is actually 6’3.

GOLIATH

Could the funeral scene be for Harold Wilson? He was Prime Minister twice and died in 1995.

Only Prime Minsters funerals the Queen ever went to were Churchill and Thatchers. That scene is probably Remembrance Day, the Queen rarely ever went to funerals so as not to upstage the dead.

She would go to funerals for family members, but I don't think anyone died in the royal family whose funeral she went to between 1989 and 1995. I agree it is most likely a Remembrance Day observance (something we have yet to see on this show). But Harold Wilson was a good guess.

scene looks a little like Remembrance Day

I don't think the sadness and unhappiness in that photo was just for the fallen. They all look morose, probably around 1992

Those outfits at r81 are hilariously bizarre--they are so Nolan Miller!

I cannot believe Diana had a red band around her black hat to match the Remembrance Day poppies!

I don’t understand, the older they get the easier it should be to match actors to the Royal family, but it seams like there do a worse job of it?

Who plays the tampon?

I could see Lindsay Duncan as the Queen and perhaps Patricia Hodge as Princess Margaret . Geoffrey Palmer would have made a good Prince Philip had he been alive. Joanna Lumley as Patsy Stone as Camilla. Imelda Staunton should be a chamber maid

Patricia Routledge as The Queen Mother

The tampon joke is sooo funneeeeeee!

Patricia Routledge was offered the Queen Mother in The Queen but turned it down. The role ended up being played by the hideously common Sylvia Syms.

Patricia Routledge was rooting for a damehood, she couldn't afford to offend the Royal family

Jonathan Pryce sounds like Jonathan Pryce, not Philip.

Obviously Jonathan Pryce is a great actor, but Prince Philip was a dashing fairytale prince (looks-wise) well into his 80’s. Pryce looks ridiculous as Philip because his features are so…common.

I guess it doesn’t help there’s a dearth of attractive British actors in their 60’s or 70’s. Unfortunately, Charles Dance would’ve been perfect has he not already played Louis Mountbatten.

Yes, Charles Dance should have played Philip. And for the Queen Mother, if they couldn’t get Patricia Routledge, they should have tried for Stephanie Cole.

Joan Collins as elderly frail Princess Margaret being wheeled out for her mother's birthday celebrations

Old Edina as Sarah Ferguson, old Patsy as Camilla Parker Bowles

Can Kath & Kim play visiting Australian Royals visiting?