LIZ TRUSS’S COLLAPSE IS COMPLETELY

I hear Boris Johnson is coming back.

Silly cow.

The Conservatives are eating themselves alive.

At the next general election, Labour will win.

Lettuce wins.

Oh honey, Labour is not just going to win, they’re going to virtually eliminate the Tories from the government. There hasn’t been a fuckup like this in modern history.

45 days!

WOMAN GIVEN HARD JOB GIVES UP

That bitch deserves to get hanged in the Tower of London. Truss disrespected the Queen and effectively killed her

I wish we could boot leaders out quickly. Seems like fun.

Finally, someone to take my place as record-holder!

The Hunt isn't standing

The longest-serving in the past two centuries or thereabouts was a woman, R8.

I can't see how they can go on without an election.

🐻👑

The Tories learnt nothing from ousting Johnson. They're making themselves look more vicious than usual; their focus is on power, not people.

This is getting ridiculous. How can a prime minister sink so fast and be abandoned by her own party so swiftly?

Goodbye, Liz.

Hello, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.

The whole lot of them should resign and they should hold a general election, but I’m sure the clown parade will continue on.

r17 Because the members wanted her, the MPs didn't

Sunak does seem the most likely, though I bet Mordaunt throws her hat into the ring again.

Is there a way that the people can call a general election themselves? The Tories cannot run the country any more. Also, what a catastrophe Brexit has been. The hill the entire Tory party will die on.

r22 Nope.

Basically, the only hope for an election now is enough of the hard right nutters are pissed off at the moderate coronation that they decide to vote with the opposition on a VONC

UK gays explain this to me. Why do they keep booting PMs and their governments? How do you get stability in the UK? I don’t understand why you would force to oust a PM who was only on the job for 45 days that reversed course on an unpopular budget? Did they even finish unpacking their moving boxes?

[quote]LIZ TRUSS’S COLLAPSE IS COMPLETELY

Completely WHAT?

She and her idiot former Chancellor of the Exchequer thought they could dredge up failed Thatcher/Reagan era economic policies and shove them down everyone's throat. They worshipped at the Altar of Trickle Down, and deservedly got their asses handed to them.

We don't currently have stability, R24, that's the problem. I'm no Truss fan, but the brutality with which her party has turned on her is shocking.

I can't wait for Labour to get in. Starmer is far from perfect, but he's better than this shitstorm.

She really thought "trickle down economics" (aka cutting taxes for the wealthy) was going to do anything when it never has before???

R9 how did she insult the queen?

And Starmer's period will be much more peaceful, R27. Not just because Labour are more orderly (they are, somewhat) or the Tories are so unruly (they are) but because the media will be far more willing to run interference for Labour.

Her premiership was four Scaramucci's long.

Can we have the sexy Indian now?

[quote] how did she insult the queen?

Truss called her "an old biddy" to her face.

The prime minister with the shortest term was Canning who lasted 119 days, so she's beaten the record by a huge margin. Impressive!

Didn't she just 24 hours ago say that ‘I’m a fighter not a quitter’?

Will you guys get a general election then or what?

Rishi Sunak is the only credible option to help salvage this whole sorry mess.

Labour is a joke. Tories are a joke. Get on your knees UK and dissolve your monarchy and join the United States.

The United States is lucky to have set terms of office. The Westminster system is so open to abuse, intriguing, ginned-up controversy - especially with the constant churn of social media.

r39, as if the U.S. has stellar ways to get rid of people.

Biden should be humble and take Truss’ queue and resign already.

I did just criticise the churn of social media in R40 but this is fucking hilarious. The lettuce is celebrating!

She lasted 4.5 Scaramuccis or 5-6 Lady Jane Greys.

[quote]Truss’ queue

You are so dumb.

[quote] Biden should be humble and take Truss’ queue

Oh, dear!

R43, Lettuce continue. She romained in office for such a short time, it may be a record. Endive been keeping track of these things.

[quote] take Truss’ queue

Where to, dear? The loo?

Queue as in standing in line, or having a long plait?

Pity that hot lectern guy didn't put in an appearance.

She resigned because she got tired of curtsying to King Charlie.

I would hardly call what she did a "curtsy", R51. What I would call it is "very feeble".

Oh, dear.

They would not have done this to a man. Not this fast and not like this.

Britain is at its lowest. Fat, nasty and broke. Career in shambles.

I don't care who the next Prime Minister is as long as it's not Olivia Colman.

Let's be Liz Truss's LinkedIn Profile!

Fuck off R42, and your little “Kamala Harris” joke, doesn’t work. FF’d.

The most likely scenario now is that King Charles will either appoint Boris again or do away with the role altogether. He has made it very clear that he doesn't want uncertainty and wants to pare down the big positions in government. Liz will likely run for leader of the Labour Party if she isn't appointed to Boris' new administration in a role like foreign secretary which was her goal all along.

[quote]The most likely scenario now is that King Charles will either appoint Boris again or do away with the role altogether.

LOL

Will Jacob Rees Mogg throw his 🎩 into the ring?

"I'm the new Maggie Thatcher!"

I wonder what Glenda Jackson says about all this mess?

It’s hard to imagine Glenda Jackson being worried of anything. A firecracker in the Commons, she has reduced Iain Duncan Smith to slumping in his seat like a guilty schoolboy and she stunned the House with her blistering “tribute” following Margaret Thatcher’s death.

I think the UK will stop having female PMs for a while. It’s not working out. They need a man or woman as tough as Thatcher.

All I hear is how crap the Tories are but they have been in power forever.

I don't support conservative politics but it's unseemly how viciously the Tories have turned on their own. They are feckless and reckless. It's really only about the hunger games of power and they can't even pretend to care about governing for the people.

Brutal.

[quote] I think the UK will stop having female PMs for a while. It’s not working out. They need a man or woman as tough as Thatcher.

This is exactly why the US hasn't has a female president. Although, Hilary and Margaret might have worked well, together.

Thatcher, at least initially, achieved her position by dint of her own unique personality. It was more in spite of her being a woman than because of it (though she learnt to use her sex for her own ends, as she was a consummate politician). Truss and May, on the other hand, benefitted from the Tories' post-Thatcher fetishisation of female leadership.

^^^ How did Thatcher 'use her sex for her own ends', as you say?

If only she’d listened to us, and held on for one more day… 76 times.

Hahhahahahahah media reporting that Boris Johnson is going to stand for leadership again.

You guys are FUCKED.

Appoint Major Johnny as caretaker prime minister until a general election can be held immediately, you know, for optics.

R69 - She was said to be flirtatious with male colleagues, liked the contrast of wearing hyper-feminine drag while exhibiting hyper-masculine behaviour, etc. Charles Moore, her official biographer, has spoken of this. I believe there were other threads on her recently where such matters could be discussed rather than distracting from this one.

Thatcher succeeded with her male colleagues because upper class British men, who filled the ranks of the Tories then and still do but to a lesser degree, like a stern nanny figure. It's an integral part of their cultural context.

^^^ r74 No, that's okay. I was just wondering how Thatcher would do, today? Could she have fit in by today's standards, or would she be booted out, as well?

[quote]Get on your knees UK

Pics please.

[quote] Why do they keep booting PMs and their governments? How do you get stability in the UK? I don’t understand why you would force to oust a PM who was only on the job for 45 days that reversed course on an unpopular budget

An unsuitable leader doesn’t necessarily provide stability. Would it not have been better for the US if you had had an easier way of removing Trum from office?

And Truss’ budget was not just unpopular: she did everything she could to weaken scrutiny and the financial markets really hated that. The UK has always had really admired political and judicial institutions and has been trusts to fund and pay its debts reliable because of that. Truss wanted to borrow £60 billion and announced that before giving any specific indication of where she would make cuts to pay for this. The markets took fright and interests rates started climbing, and she has never recovered.

So, how does this work? Does the UK have a Vice PM that immediately takes over, like the Vice President would in the US when the President resigns? (i.e., Nixon and Ford)

R71, Johnson has a more compelling case than Sunak, that's for sure. And I am not a fan of Alexander "Boris" Johnson.

Johnson is in the middle of a parliamentary enquiry which could end his parliamentary career if he is found to have lied to parliament. There is no way his party will vote for him with that hanging over his head.

He also lost the job last time because dozens of his own colleagues just could not bring themselves to humiliate themselves by defending him over his habitual lying. Those people are not going to make themselves look stupid by nominating him now. He will never make it onto the list of candidates nominated by MPs.

r78 The resignation isn’t effective immediately. Truss will remain PM until her successor is picked.

R73, I think rather than "her sex," it's femininity. When you bring in the word "sex," you risk implying that she slept her way to power. Though I'm delighted someone besides me still uses "sex" instead of"gender," I thought I'd mention it.

???? Please explain. What could she had done in 6 weeks that is irreparable?

Convene the Carry On cast immediately. Start with Carry On Dinner With Conservative Schmucks.....

R83 Cost the country something like £65billion.

It's always a risk, R82, but I am (being something of a crank) going to persist in flying the flag for "sex". Her biographer, Lord Moore, is another fuddy-duddy (with a transgender niece, incidentally, who has criticised him in the press) and he always talks about "her sex".

Glad to hear you're on Team Sex!

R86 Do you say 'slit' as well? Please say yes!

Boris is already signalling that he wants to stand in the next election. Good luck, everybody!

Well duh..

Are there any significant areas of Russian people in the UK? Or even a few Russian bakeries scattered here and there, perhaps? Because now would be the perfect time to annex.

R90 Try London where oligarchs have bought up property and football clubs. But Pootie Poots, you can't even take over *Ukraine*.

At least Liz has her Beijing pork markets to fall back on

Truss was the first prime minister to serve under two monarchs since Churchill.

Bet she feels better for having done it too. I always kind of felt sorry for Teresa (sp?) May. This one was a seat warmer, nothing more.

BoJo was ousted bc of 'optics'. He'll be back. It's what the party wants.

It's what the partiers want at least, r95.

👋👋

R95 Her Brexit deal was the same as Boris's yet she was vilified while Boris "got Brexit done" except he didn't.

R98 It wasn't from what I remember.

R95 I guarantee you that she doesn't 'feel good' about it. These people are ambitious psychopaths. They don't really have much of a conscience and just want power. Now she'll always be a failed PM and a pub quiz question to 'who was the shortest reigning PM?'

*question answer

Poor Queen Elizabeth.

She died before meeting the REAL Prime Minister!

^^Yes, my life was a failure because I missed that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, r102.

I know this sounds like your typical "things were better way back when" comment, but doesn't it seem to you that all politicians and leaders from around the world were "better" a generation (or two) ago?

I mean, part of the problem with Putin is that the other world leaders are in over their depths in dealing with him. He's old school dictator and war criminal, not everyone deserves a blue ribbon and let's play nice.

Can you imagine Liz competing with Thatcher or Blair to win the spot? She simply pales in comparison, and they weren't all that great from a historical perspective.

R104 You forgot about all of the politicians in between those greats, to be fair. Major? Heath? Douglas-Home? Et cetera. I am sure that there will be someone charismatic and reasonably competent coming along at some point.

Dead Queens don’t use DataLounge, R103.

Stop frontin’.

I still have her beat for shortest time in power.

Hey R106, if Archie and Lilibet can talk to Dead Diana, the Queen can certainly post here.

ppl saying Conservatives moving to sign Papa Poch on a 2 year deal ;)

well you can get to fuck Tory scum cos the Villa are in talks!!!! (for him to replace Stevie G but)

To all the posters upthread banging on about 'charisma'--yes, you need good social skills and flexibility, resilience, and a bit of charm or patter to get anywhere in politics, but when you start asking for more eloquence and star quality and forthright personalities (to make the House Of Commons watchably entertaining?) then you sacrifice other crucial stats in your candidate such as empathy and pragmatism and broad general reasoning abilities.

Most dictators have charisma, most warlords have commanding personalities. We want someone more colourful than John Major but less so than BoJo.

Anyone but Boris. Ugh. I thought we'd seen the last of him and Carrie.

I’m not fucking strong enough for winter election campaigning. Not with a World Cup and all. It will finish me.

Still stunned at the level of ignorance, incompetence and lack of integrity demonstrated by Liz Truss. People were nattering on about how “intelligent” she was because she attended Oxford, but she demonstrated NO evidence of that in her greatest role. Nothing but continued calamity from the day she stepped into office.

She will go down in history derided and a laughingstock for her hubristic, self-inflicted debacle.

The question remains; is this enough to remove her for government (i.e.will the saps she represent recognize her folly)?

I liked Boris.

[quote] People were nattering on about how “intelligent” she was because she attended Oxford, but she demonstrated NO evidence of that in her greatest role. Nothing but continued calamity from the day she stepped into office.

Some of the Millennial Oxbridge set--at least, the ones known to me--can't spell or do arithmetic, can't organise and lead a team/project, can't think critically or pragmatically beyond their own little echo chambers, and can't engage on a normal human level with people outside their social strata. Fine for an artist, scholar or philosopher to be that way, but not a working canvassing legislating MP.

R113, I am puzzled by her, too. It's not that she was thrown into cold water. She has experience in government, and she has experience with that snake pit that is her party. And none of that could prepare her for the role of PM?

She struck me as the UK equivalent of Ted Cruz: someone who's highly opportunistic, gaslighting the general public with faux culture wars issues and portraying herself as a crusader against "woke", but with no actual ideas about what to do in terms of governance once she had the actual power to govern.

She shat the bed by allowing a completely ill-advised budget which sank the economy even further plus she kept changing her mind

Indeed, R116. And what about the folks who levelled her up into office? Find it stunning to believe that NO ONE saw this coming.

I am the furthest thing from a financial whiz, and even I could predict absolute disaster for Trussonomics. It was all about “growth, growth, growth” and lambasting anyone who warned her. In the current global geopolitical and economic climate, instituting her “trickle down” economic policy (which never works anyways) was absolute insanity.

The woman really seems off her rocker. Not to mention her affair years ago with her political mentor (that ended his marriage), but continued hers with her cuckholed “love of my life, brilliant economic professor” husband.

Sounds like she needs to go the way of the dodo.

[quote] The upcoming leadership contest will be fast, furious, and divisive: The Conservatives currently look as unified as a sack full of raccoons and cocaine. The odds-on favorite is Rishi Sunak, the runner-up to Truss this summer, although several other candidates are canvassing support. And there is another possibility. Because the 2019 election is the last time the Conservatives consulted the rest of the country on their policies, some on the right claim that there is only one man who has a mandate from the British people: Boris Johnson.

[quote] [bold] Frankly, I would rather take my chances with the lettuce.[/bold]

For you, R114.

I'm hopelessly naive when it comes to finance, so I'm going ask what may come off as stupid questions. How was she able to borrow £65B just like that? (this really happened?). The loan request was the doing of only Truss and Kwarteng with no input from other Tories who would have presumably been horrified by the idea that Truss later topped off with tax cots to the wealthiest. Is the entire party really *this* out of touch? Is the government obligated to follow through with accepting the loan? TIA.

If the next PM is someone other than Johnson, will that be the first time that there have been three prime ministers based on just one electoral mandate? Because Major, Brown, May, Johnson and Truss all succeeded a PM who had got a majority/plurality in the Commons (Thatcher, Blair, Cameron, May, Johnson, respectively), this next Tory PM (unless Johnson) will be in a uniquely illegitimate position.

The Tories know that, which is why Johnson is leading among Tory MPs tonight. They do NOT want to go to the polls right now as Labour, which is riding so high in the polls right now, would be sure to tinker with first-past-the-post, which the Tories rely on tremedously.

*tremendously

R122, come on. Ethically, how can BoJo return?

The guy remains under investigation for malfeasance.

Britain is already being looked at askance on the world stage.

If BoJo returns, Britain/TheTories would be absolute caricatures.

Boris got no mandate, that's not how our elections work. People just vote for their favoured local MP

My mistake at R122, Sunak at 28 is now ahead of Johnson at 27.

R125, okay then, the Tories can keep on replacing their leader as long as their MPs support that leader. Five leaders by Christmas for all I care. You won't have a problem with that, right?

The system is the same one as in Canada. And, yet, something like this would trigger new elections there. Or would at least prorogue the Parliament.

Ah but Canada doesn't have Eton. Those public schoolboys form a rotten core of the Tory party that gives them the entitlement to think they can play their power games as a country freezes

LOL this quote:

[quote]One senior Labour source salivating at the prospect of Johnson redux: "In some sense, him running is the dream. Droning on about how they need a sensible, serious person to fix the mess they've made then that honking pudding turns up with his travelling circus trailing behind"

Wow, it’s like collectively the whole UK just wants to burn their own country to the ground. Wtf is going on with the Brits?

R130 it’s certainly not the WHOLE UK. She was elected by something like 80,000 Tory party members. As someone mentioned above, electoral reform is needed too. A proportional representation system which would help stop this lunacy (even though proportional representation has its drawbacks too).

Nicola Sturgeon has pointed out that Truss's successor will be Britain's fifth prime minister in her eight years as Scotland's first minister.

Scotland should break away. It would be just be Norway economically but with unhealthier people.

Well, R17, she made terrible policy decisions.

I wish Rory Stewart would put himself forward. He's the least awful option.

Kwasi.

What part did he play in Liz's stuff-up?

She's going to get her baps out for Nuts magazine!

American who wants details on all these “calamities” Truss had. One can specifically list hundreds of Trump fuck ups. What did she do? Abuse a sharpie? Insult a war hero? Summon white suprematism? What?

She decided to fund massive tax cuts for the rich by borrowing money.

Then proceeded to fund blank cheque public spending by borrowing even more money.

That crashed the pound, bond market and gilts and caused The Bank of England to engage in a kind of quantitive easing (£60Billion worth), which meant interest rates had to rise at a time of high inflation (10%+) and very high energy prices. That in turn caused mortgage payments and rents to begin to increase.

Fuck up really is the kindest way it can be described.

The Economist is making the case that Britain is basically Italy now.

[quote] Welcome to Britaly

[quote] A country of political instability, low growth and subordination to the bond markets

[quote] In 2012 Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng, two of the authors of a pamphlet called “Britannia Unchained”, used Italy as a warning. Bloated public services, low growth, poor productivity: the problems of Italy and other southern European countries were also present in Britain. Ten years later, in their botched attempt to forge a different path, Ms Truss and Mr Kwarteng have helped make the comparison inescapable. Britain is still blighted by disappointing growth and regional inequality. But it is also hobbled by chronic political instability and under the thumb of the bond markets. Welcome to Britaly.

[quote] [R83] Cost the country something like £65billion.

Is that all?! I did that on one day in 2020.

IS COMPLETELY..... what?

... predictable?

[quote]She's going to get her baps out for Nuts magazine!

Will Liz be a Page 3 girl?

She'll be on "I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here!". Oh, wait, she's already out of there.

In all seriousness, R145, it wouldn't surprise me if she turned up on I'm a Celeb.

I could see them adding another slot to the upcoming season of "Dancing on Ice" to accommodate Liz. They usually have more than 11 starters anyway.

Someone had a tweet about a biography of Truss coming out in December, all about her amazing rise to power. The tweeter was feeling sorry for the authors of the book.

I do not appreciate rubbing salt in wounds. That said, I do hope this kneecaps Liz Truss for her stunning arrogance, lack of awareness and seeming deficit of empathy.

The woman seemed to stumble around issuing idiotic statements and going back on her word endlessly. She has flip-flopped more than any other British or American politician I am aware of. Her history is littered with reversals. As PM she came across as dull, wooden and lacking presence. She pointedly shoved her finger at other people and in some cases just shoved other people (most recently her deputy whip yesterday.)

She has a square potato face and walks (and curtsies) oddly. Her body language is full of arrogant cues, and she exhibits duper’s delight.

Her self-immolation is understandable. Given her “bizarre vortex” of rebellion against her father (someone posited in another thread), her surreal behaviour can be explained.

What cannot be explained is why she was allowed to negatively impact so many Britons (and by extension those in the global community).

[quote] As PM she came across as dull, wooden and lacking presence

Yes, she had insufficient personality.

The electorate now demands leaders with charisma like Harold MacMillan or Harold Wilson.

You left out that electrifying Jim Callaghan, R150.

Also have to give credit where credit is due. Joe Biden appears to have had her number. He tweeted earlier that he was “sick and tired of the trickle down theory”. Liz’s experiment on the British public went waaaaaay off the rails, and he (like many others) tried to warn her. But she was determined to harangue those who disagreed and insisted upon “disruption” of her country despite the toils of war in Ukraine, a global pandemic and world insecurity/uncertainty.

Then Biden answered a journalist’s query in an ice cream shop about Liz’s troubles, He uncharacteristically called her out for a “mistake”. It’s likely he was quite familiar with her during her foreign secretary time. Even Biden’s Press Secretary reiterated that Biden wasn’t pleased when she was given the opportunity to clarify his comments,

Certainly there’s no love list between Biden and Truss.

Do think, though, that there is even less respect for BoJo. If the Tories are foolish enough to bring the BoZo and his clown car back, then they deserve to be stomped into the ground by Labour because they will be considered caricatures by much of the global community.

I have no trouble believing BoJo thinks his time has come again, but I can't get my head around the suggestion he might actually get voted back in!

Whoever takes over - a week from today - is very unlikely to be able to stop Labour taking power at the next election. The Tories have bared their fangs too many times.

Keir will save us.

[quote]Hahhahahahahah media reporting that Boris Johnson is going to stand for leadership again.

Some political commentators are skeptical that Boris Johnson can get the support of the necessary 100 MPs in order to make the final two.

Jesus Christ, Reaganism has absolutely destroyed capitalism for the past forty years. We have to get rid of this disgusting infection and obsession with trickle down economics. Why is it still being talked about or taught as if it’s a thing when it has been demonstrated over and over to be so destructive?

I cannot really back this up with data, but this is my view on Reaganism/Thatcherism: It's not just a (flawed) policy. It's the execution of how some countries think society as a whole should work. The ultimate freedom is to do whatever you want to do with nobody interfering. On the flip-side, if you don't help yourself, don't expect help from others.

I used to think that this is the outcome of a Calvinistic/evangelical approach. But northern European countries have/ had protestant cultures as well, and yet they found a different way of life. So, I am not really sure why of all countries, the UK and the US think that their approach is the only right way. The interesting piece is: Everybody knows that groups do better when the individuals collaborate. We learn that in school, at work, everywhere. And yet, when it comes to inching out a personal benefit, people "feel" that the alone-way is still better. Very curious.

R157 It's an English trait that spread to the colonies through the British Empire.

IT'S KILLING ME! IS COMPLETELY... WHAT?

[quote]IT'S KILLING ME!

I find myself perfectly at peace with that outcome.

R158 No it isn't.

It's a Thatcher policy from the 1980's, when she was taking advice from Sir Alan Walters, Milton Friedman and Patrick Minford. They were also advising Ronald Reagan.

R157 posted two entire paragraphs when he could just as well have typed 'PRIMITIVE SHALLOW GREED'.

R161 Thatcherism is a variation of classical liberalism, which is deeply ingrained in English culture.

got the job, killed the queen, killed the economy, resigned

truss really girlbossed a little too close to the sun

Yawn, people still trying to make it about the Royal Family. This site has been infested.

It's not people "making it about the Royal Family": the fact that the woman who had been Head of State for seven decades died during Truss' seven-week premiership will be one of the only things that people remember about Liz Truss.

R166 Nope, apart from creepy and invasive RF freaks like you, the vast majority will remember Truss for her spectacular failure to impose libertarian policies on the UK. Market-rejected, no less.

^ I said "one of the only things", not "the only thing". Sorry that you're hard of understanding.

R168 Actual informed and intelligent people know that Truss has nothing to do with the Queen's death and that the Queen (or King) have NO influence on the policies any of their prime ministers and Parliament pursues.

It's basically ignorant foreigners who seem to think otherwise.

I agree, R169. Now please point out where, beyond observing that Truss was in office when the Queen died, I said that a) there was any link between Truss and the Queen's death or b) that the monarch has influence on the PM and Parliament. Thank you in advance.

Wow, I wouldn't have thought it was possible to make that many errors of comprehension in so short a post, R171! Congratulations, I suppose. I see from Ignoredar that you seem to be one of those insecure, unhappy elders on here whose only source of comfort in life is going around issuing "corrections" which are, in fact, nothing of the sort.

[quote]Liz Truss To Continue Receiving Security Detail For 20 Minutes After Leaving Office

R172 I'm a millennial, not an elder gay. Also, you didn't provide any direct repudiations of what I said. Please, please stop being so obsessed with the royal family. Understand that in the UK parliamentary democracy rules and that the RF are only symbolic. They have NO real power. They can only do what Parliament tells them to do. And if they deviated, they would almost certainly be done away with. OK? I know that you aren't British but please try to understand this reality about the RF and Parliament.

[quote] I'm a millennial, not an elder gay.

LITERALLY the saddest thing I have ever read on the Datalounge.

History will remember Liz Truss like Benjamin a Harrison is remembered. Shortest terms ever and nothing more.

[quote]because upper class British men, who filled the ranks of the Tories then and still do but to a lesser degree, like a stern nanny figure.

And many from boarding schools are into scat play.

Fraus cannot resist that glass cliff bait!

They fall for it every time, ha ha!

I’m too lazy to look this up myself: when is an election called? Is there a certain regular cadence? I know a PM can call for one but why would they if they knew their party won’t win?

R179 there is a regular cadence but outside of that if a vote of confidence is called and it is lost then a general election can be held ahead of schedule. It’s extremely unlikely the Tories will do this as they have a large majority (for now) and would lose the general election. So it looks like we are stuck with them for a bit longer.

In R171, you said that I said the Queen's death would be the only thing Truss would be remembered for. After making such an error of comprehension as that, do you really think I'll go point-by-point with you, R174? Why should I try to substantiate the idea that the monarch has substantial powers when I never made such a ludicrous claim in the first place?! Rather, it's one that you falsely imputed to me.

I firmly believe that offing yourself is the best option for people who are so unhappy that have to resort to issuing corrections where they are not required. It's very common among DataLoungers whose (usually moderate) intellect was the only source of confidence in their troubled years of youth. Such damaged people!

Breh, wat?

[quote]After making such an error of comprehension as that, do you really think I'll go point-by-point with you?

Oh dear fecking christ, I hope not.

"In another example of doublespeak, Starmer appeared to make a concession to women’s rights groups who object to the erosion of single-sex spaces. Starmer promised to stand up for the ‘provision for single-sex spaces’ that is set out in the Equality Act, introduced by Labour in 2010."

They might as well install a revolving door on Number 10.

I realize it's all custom and no actual written constitution. But you'd think at some point, being a complete twat of a prime minister who fucked up beyond all repair would lead to having to call a new general election. If that ain't a vote of no confidence, what the fuck is???

it's like poetry, it rhymes

Well, see it this way: This system was probably set up to ensure governmental stability. As long as the majority party can form a government there is no existential political crisis. No-one saw coming that one party is too stupid to form a long-standing government by itself.

At this point, Queen Amidala could totally win. As good Queen Camilla, I suspect.

Queen Amidala has a bust lip, poor thing.

oops, "could Queen Camilla." I think "good Queen Camilla" is probably a little presumptuous at this point.

Damn, I wish they'd call a general election. Keir Starmer can't be worse than the Tory clowns.

honestly, they really, really should r192. The Tories have fucked up over and over. How can it not be time to say, hey, Britain, how ya feelin?

Our country is a bloody mess but so are a bunch of others.

No lie r194. Britain's going through some shit, but we in the U.S. might be about to reward the Party of Treason for being the Party of Treason. I think we might be more fucked up than you guys.

Having lived in both the UK and the US, I have a lot more faith in the Brits than here. If the GOP wins the midterms, I'm out.

What if it's a split decision r196, GOP gets the House, Dems keep the Senate?

I can't really tap out, personally, nowhere really to go. Stuck with this country one way or another.

[quote] Keir Starmer can't be worse

Keir Starmer can't say what a woman is.

^ Huh?

Pay attention, R199, after the two minute mark in this video.

the comms are hot tonight

M E NT A LI S T

Just watching the video above, R202, it remains stupefying how the woman even became an MP let alone Prime Minister.

Absolutely terrifying how poor of a communicator, interviewee, or speaker she is.

How on earth did the woman ever inhabit 10 Downing????

PS: For Truss flip-flopping, scroll to the end of the video. The woman has s long history of U-turns, so all the U-turns she made as PM should have been NO surprise.

As someone said upthread, she’s a British Ted Cruz: greed and opportunism personified.

R201. I screamed. Love it.

Wow, R202, she really hated her leftist parents. This reaction set her for life. She's clearly one of those moderately intelligent loons who are ideological purists (they have one idea) who should never be let near the levers of power.

She was largely put in by the membership who were ideologues themselves. Party members voting on the head of the Parliamentary party is itself insane and dysfunctional and the Tories should get rid of it. This premiership proves that. A tiny ideologically driven sliver of the population should not have any power, lest of all the power to choose the nation's leader.

R205 You're not trying to sound in anyway balanced or impartial, are you?

R205. Well my understanding is that it was a new thing for party members to select the leader - the result of a recent rule change.

Not the most successful little experiment. Probably explains why only MPs are voting on the new leader. This talk of expediency is a smokescreen.

The UK really needs a general election.