Anyone else not a fan? Something is so off-putting and phony about her.
|by Anonymous||reply 565||January 23, 2023 7:35 AM|
OP = Mary Wilson
|by Anonymous||reply 1||October 19, 2022 3:09 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||October 19, 2022 3:10 AM|
She was before my time but when I started getting Motown heavy in my early 20s there is something about her voice and phrasing that is magnificent. I was nostalgic for a time I never experienced and it just seem refreshing when r&b divas didn't belt out everything. Ain't no Mountain is one of my favorite songs, both the original and Diana's interpretation.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||October 19, 2022 3:11 AM|
Diane reigns supreme.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||October 19, 2022 3:11 AM|
She can be off-putting, and I think all of that "how to be a stah" training at Motown played some part.
This appearance shows a different side, more slinky and flirty than usual. Miss Ross was around 50 when this was taped.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||October 19, 2022 3:28 AM|
ANOTHER lame generic thread OP. How lazy can you get.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||October 19, 2022 3:32 AM|
Honestly, I never liked her music. Her voice was so thin and gaspy.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||October 19, 2022 3:32 AM|
This lady will tell you everything you need to know, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||October 19, 2022 3:35 AM|
The Supremes are great. On her own, Ross is fine for background music.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||October 19, 2022 3:42 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 10||October 19, 2022 3:44 AM|
Team Mary Wilson here. The Diane she described in her book matched up with the Diana we saw in the media.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||October 19, 2022 3:46 AM|
I love Diana. Yes, she can be bitchy and yes she can be a diva, but she's human. She's a good mother and she sang 18 number-one songs. Her music has stood the test of time. The Supreme hits and songs like Upside Down, I'm Coming Out Love Hangover, and Ain't No Mountain High Enough are still great and still played on radio. Do You Know Where You're Going To is beloved by Mariah and J-Lo.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||October 19, 2022 3:47 AM|
Weak and reedy voice. She got away with it because she was pretty.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||October 19, 2022 3:48 AM|
Diana Ross is a star.
She had star quality, star power, the "it" factor.
Her voice isn't the strongest, doesn't have the biggest range, etc. but it's very sweet and unique sounding. You know it's she as soon as you hear it. And she really knows how to use it to make the most of it.
She's touring right now and her stage show is (and always has been) great. She gives her all to every number, she's over the top with her costume changes..... she really enjoys performing.
During the Supremes era, she did like 3X the work of the others (singing leads, bg's, etc.) and got equal share of the money.
She deserves her success.
She's also a dedicated mother and her kids seemed to have all turned out great.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||October 19, 2022 3:49 AM|
I don't think anyone ever was naive enough to ask me if I am or was a fan of Diane.
As Little Miss Mouse-Fart Voice with an ego the size of her ratty hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||October 19, 2022 3:52 AM|
I either totally loved her songs or totally hated them.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||October 19, 2022 4:02 PM|
One of the first biographies I read as a young'n was.about her. "Call Me Miss Ross", I believe it was called. I remember being surprised that she was such a bitch. I loved and still love Mowtown, and I still like her music, but whenever I hear her name or her music I think of that book. Ive read other music biographies since then, about performers from the same genre of music, and there's no getting around it, she's a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||October 19, 2022 4:16 PM|
I like her but my estimation if her was lessened a bit when she did that stupid ass Supremes reunion. She should have done it right or not bothered.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||October 19, 2022 4:20 PM|
She’s all right, but has never been my favorite artist in the respective genre wheelhouses she’s been in over the years. Of 60s girl groups, I much prefer the “bad girl” Ronnettes and Shangri-Las. Of 70s disco divas, Donna Summer cannot be beaten.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||October 19, 2022 4:33 PM|
Why isn’t she “oh, deared” here from sunrise to sunset?
|by Anonymous||reply 20||October 19, 2022 4:47 PM|
I want all of her… all of her body and soul!
|by Anonymous||reply 21||October 19, 2022 5:14 PM|
Her success as a mom tells a lot about who she is, especially compared to the kids of many other celebrities. They are well adjusted/some publicly successful. And they love their mom.
With 18 #1 songs, her voice has shown accomplishment. The public purchased her sound/ talent. Even as a solo artist with six #1s, she had more chart toppers than Cher, Barbra, Bette, Liza, Dionne Aretha.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||October 19, 2022 5:32 PM|
OP = Misogyny Troll = Let's Tear Down a Woman Troll
|by Anonymous||reply 23||October 19, 2022 6:29 PM|
R15 = Miss Warwick, unbilled. I'd recognize that acidic posting style anywhere!
|by Anonymous||reply 24||October 20, 2022 1:45 PM|
Love her. She came through a period where racism, misogyny were the norm and became a star in her own right. Turned herself into one of the world’s most recognised and beautiful black women. May not be the strongest voice ever but unique sounding. For me, like Dusty Springfield there’s just something about her voice that sets her apart. For once, the word Diva is appropriate.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||October 20, 2022 2:12 PM|
Just to add. This is miss Ross at her peak. Secure in her looks, talent. Unique.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||October 20, 2022 2:26 PM|
The woman at r8 has many legitimate points but her mangling of the English language made my ears bleed.
Hint: Never use words you can neither spell nor pronounce.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||October 20, 2022 2:55 PM|
I am here incognito lately because my PR and medical people said rubbing shoulders with some of the people here will be bad press AND bring out my fucking eczema, and you know how I like to show my shoulders when I'm performing.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||October 22, 2022 5:43 PM|
Never really thought that she was a great singer and based on what I’ve heard and read about her, she sounds insufferable. I love several of her songs, especially The Bee Gees produced “Chain Reaction”. But she comes across as a backstabbing nasty cunt. I feel the same way about JLo and Beyoncé. Streisand too, although her talent makes her a bit more palatable. Diana Ross is the proto-cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||October 22, 2022 5:49 PM|
Nothing special without the supremes. She had money, looks, and connections, and then remained a loner save for a a few black artists. She is uninspirstional
|by Anonymous||reply 30||October 22, 2022 5:55 PM|
THE worst concert I've ever attended was her massive shitshow at Giants Stadium in the 80's. It was like watching someone masturbate for 3 hours.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||October 22, 2022 5:58 PM|
You've come to the wrong place, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||October 22, 2022 6:04 PM|
In the middle 80s she was pissed off to the max when she saw the marquee outside of Cesar’s Palace which read..
Next week SHEENA EASTON
|by Anonymous||reply 33||October 22, 2022 6:06 PM|
^^^^ Honey, that would have pissed off MARILYN MCCOO and she's the nicest lady in showbusiness.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||October 22, 2022 6:09 PM|
What would Dionne have done?
She would have badmouthed Caesars and spread lies about Sheena.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||October 22, 2022 6:12 PM|
She grew up in the Brewster projects. She understands the cruelty of life better than all of you.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||October 22, 2022 6:13 PM|
Diana I mean. Dionne is just a dimwit
|by Anonymous||reply 37||October 22, 2022 6:23 PM|
She had no qualms about suing charities auctions and their donors that included her or the Supreme's memorabilia, art, caricatures, etc. . . believing if they were going to sell even a dress she once worn, they needed to pay an exorbitant fee to even mention she once wore it. There were no warnings such as when they were advertising the lots but until after because then most of these lawsuits would be awarded in her favor.
for this and among other reasons, she held an uncomfortable place among gays. . .
r36 and turned around and acted like bloody royalty, adopting a faux accent long before Madge would and taking on as many contradictory personas from the tragic mulatto to the spicy white princess, and one has to wonder if it was largely her influence that led the Jacksons into moving from black to white. . . which also set her at odds within the black community for over the top diva cuntiness. . .
the most comparablet to modern day is beyonce.. but beyonce, even with the killer beyhive, is just a plastic doll molded into shape by her dad... even now most people question if there's anything there behind her eyes. Miss Ross was a cannibalistic viper.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||October 22, 2022 6:33 PM|
R38, you tried it. Queen Bey has never separated herself from the black community. For one thing she is actually light skin so all the blonde weaves and extensions that all the divas from all background rocks manifest different with her. Bey has always kept it black in her music, men she dated, overall brand identity. Even when the label begged her to do more pop sounding shit because she would sell more. But she didn't care because she could still sell out all over the world off the strength of black radio.
Queen Bey has always kept it hip-hop and black.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||October 22, 2022 6:44 PM|
Queen Bey hip-hop?
|by Anonymous||reply 40||October 22, 2022 6:53 PM|
r39 I didn't say Bey did. my apologies for you reading that way. I meant as far as the unearned diva attitude - for Bey has the defense, that thenit's not so much her, she really comes off pretty simple minded with all the people around in her in control. .
to get young people to understand the level of celebrity, Ms Ross had, there's no one else today that would be comparable. I wasn't trying to draw parallels on the light skin part for Bey, just the diva cuntiness. Although everything about Bey was manufactured, but again, by design of people around her.,.. while We could say similarities with the Supremes, Miss Ross took control of the narrative on her own. The contrast between her stage persona and her public persona, in the 70s and 80s I always found it odd how more people weren't so much more critical, especially now.
70s to 80s, she does run parallel with Babs especially on trading up celebrity whoring. . which elders would get. . . polus the same trajectory with going from being very socially rough to a hardline wasp poseur. tho, no one can touch Ross on the pseudo royalty.. not even all the diva fits of Elton.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||October 22, 2022 6:58 PM|
I was never a fan (43 now) until last year (or 2 years ago) I went down the Youtube Rabbit Hole and watched some live shows from the late 70's- early 80's-
No joke, I was floored. She could sing live, had really beautiful phrasing (like someone mentioned above) and is probably the most charismatic "star" I have ever seen.
So I will say that 1970's-80's Diana Ross was a major, major star. And a talented one.
(That Supremes shit is not for me)
|by Anonymous||reply 42||October 22, 2022 7:16 PM|
She was marketable and as a black person back then you had to completely sell out. Tina is better.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||October 22, 2022 7:20 PM|
R40, yes hiphop. It was her that introduced the rap style singing to contemporary r&b, and is now routine.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||October 22, 2022 7:23 PM|
That doesn't make her hip-hop. That makes her an pop/r&b artist featuring rap. Something almost all pop stars do today. Is Katy Perry hip-hop now?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||October 22, 2022 7:26 PM|
R45 that vid I posted is over 20 years ago??? What I'm saying is that she has always embraced hip-hop in her style and music. It may be materialistic, commercial hiphop but she always had that foundation.
Missy will tell you, Ye(pre-crazy) will tell you, Wyclef...
|by Anonymous||reply 46||October 22, 2022 7:30 PM|
Almost all pop stars embrace hip-hop because the majority of young people like rap most of whom are white
|by Anonymous||reply 47||October 22, 2022 7:32 PM|
But it's more than just having some trap rapper featured on your song. Bey was actually rhythmically raping with cadence. She introduced that to pop music. Now all the pop/r&b stars male or female are doing it. The label wanted her to release more mariah carey type ballads on her B'day album but she refused and secretly recorded an album in 2 weeks.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||October 22, 2022 7:35 PM|
there is some live early 60s footage on a supremes dvd compilation. ... a smaller Vegas casino or supper club, with Diana giving an intro before launching into the song. The men onstage in the all white band behind her were so lecherous, sexist responding to her.... , completely inappropriate by today's standards..... I've always admired her after that... what it must have taken to endure that crap coming up.... it makes my blood run cold thinking about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||October 22, 2022 8:00 PM|
She loves white men, so she probably enjoyed it r49. She hooked up with Ryan O’Neal and Gene Simmons…she obviously loves sexist, misogynistic white men.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||October 25, 2022 7:28 PM|
She loves white men so much, she made Rhonda Ross.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||October 25, 2022 7:46 PM|
[Quote] The men onstage in the all white band behind her were so lecherous, sexist responding to her.... , completely inappropriate by today's standards..... I've always admired her after that... what it must have taken to endure that crap coming up.... it makes my blood run cold thinking about it.
Do you have a link? Supremes patter was scripted.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||October 25, 2022 7:46 PM|
Her only child fathered by a black man r51. The rest of them have white men for daddies.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||October 25, 2022 7:58 PM|
Well, Rhonda had a white man for a daddy, if we're talking parenting...
|by Anonymous||reply 54||October 25, 2022 8:42 PM|
She's a talent who knew her worth, but not her strengths. Taking over her own career in the 80s was her worst mistake which she never recovered from. She should have stayed with Gordy, or found a new manager.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||October 25, 2022 8:43 PM|
That's one way too look at it. Another way to look at it is that Ross made more money from the RCA deal than she ever made at Motown. Ross saved money by producing some album tracks herself. Like Aretha, when left to her own devices, Ross was not a talented music producer. She was a better collaborator.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||October 26, 2022 2:03 PM|
Especially when she was younger she looked like a
|by Anonymous||reply 57||October 26, 2022 2:06 PM|
Absolutely unique voice, she's a lyric soprano and sounds like a flute. Superb singer with excellent interpretive qualities. She's one of my absolutely favorites. She's also no religious hypocrite like some of her contemporaries were/are, like Aretha or Pattie or Whitney. She had the vision and audacity to become what she wanted to be. Plus she made sure her kids were taken care of properly. None of them seem to be spoiled brats or drug addicts or idiots.
I will always love Diana Ross!
|by Anonymous||reply 58||October 26, 2022 2:20 PM|
Did she perform for AIDS benefits?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||October 26, 2022 2:24 PM|
Amazing, what a huge celebrity she was in the '60s & '70s and is now almost totally forgotten.
I shouldn't say amazing, as that seems to be the case for almost every singer--except for their aging fans.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||October 26, 2022 2:31 PM|
Close to You
and yes she's singing live
|by Anonymous||reply 61||October 26, 2022 2:39 PM|
I bet she was quite the cock gobbler back in the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||October 26, 2022 2:47 PM|
R33, she would also get pissed off if anything appeared other than DIANA ROSS on the marquee. Not MISS DIANA ROSS, not LIVE! DIANA ROSS. In fact, she was so pissed off at the Sheena Easton business that Miss Thing refused to perform if it was not changed, so she made the audience wait while she huffed outside in her fur coat to see for herself that Caesar's had fixed the lettering.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||October 26, 2022 2:51 PM|
Or a cat that someone had scared, r57.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||October 26, 2022 2:53 PM|
Enjoy many of her musical hits, and her movies were fun. But yes, she looks like she'd be a fucking nightmare diva bitch in real life.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||October 26, 2022 2:53 PM|
[quote] I bet she was quite the cock gobbler back in the day.
Only if that cock was connected to a man who could advance her career. Otherwise, fuck off.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||October 26, 2022 2:54 PM|
[quote]I bet she was quite the cock gobbler back in the day.
Too much teeth and bitch used an egg timer.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||October 26, 2022 2:57 PM|
Long long ago, in another century, I was working stage crew for an event in Detroit, and Diana was the headliner star attraction. In the 80's. I was 18 at the time. I remember that everyone associated with her was walking on eggshells back stage, and I Remember that they were scared that they'd lose their jobs on a whim. She was mean, and abusive to the help. At one pooint, she threw a tea cup across the dressing room and it hit the wall....It wasn't hot enough. Then she was rushed out. and we watched on a monitor back stage, as she walked out to centerstage with her arms out and this huge smile plastered on her face and was all about love. "Reach out and touch..." Yeah. I have always disliked her since then. I have learned never to get too close to my idols.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||October 26, 2022 3:00 PM|
[quote]At one pooint, she threw a tea cup across the dressing room and it hit the wall....It wasn't hot enough.
That routine only works if you're in Delta, first class.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||October 26, 2022 3:16 PM|
I love the story that she refused soup as too cold and Smokey Robinson, who was visiting her backstage, happily consumed the broth. There may have been a "woman, please" thrown in there.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||October 26, 2022 3:29 PM|
Diana Ross was good but not exceptional. Yes, she could sing and she was pretty but her voice was just that. Acceptable and her looks were nice.
She always had a diva attitude about her that none of the other major black females had,, like Gladys Knight, Dionne Warwick or Roberta Flack.
So she got criticized a lot. I hate when people say she hasn't talent, she did. But her whole style was off-putting.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||October 26, 2022 3:51 PM|
[quote]She always had a diva attitude about her that none of the other major black females had,, like Gladys Knight, Dionne Warwick or Roberta Flack.
Oh, please. Dionne was a notorious cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||October 26, 2022 3:58 PM|
[Quote] Diana Ross was good but not exceptional. Yes, she could sing and she was pretty but her voice was just that. Acceptable and her looks were nice.
Nonsense. A singer is more than their instrument. And Ross had a good one. She is also a strong interpreter.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||October 26, 2022 4:03 PM|
[Quote] She always had a diva attitude about her that none of the other major black females had,, like Gladys Knight, Dionne Warwick or Roberta Flack.
Gladys Knight is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||October 26, 2022 4:04 PM|
The Temptations were offended by Diana's diva antics (she insisted on having the key changed of their medley to suit her voice over theirs), so co-lead David Ruffin decided to outsing her 3:35 during their duet. She still managed to hold her own, but David "won." Of course, she was mad as hell afterwards, and complained about it to Berry Gordy.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||October 26, 2022 4:12 PM|
Well, "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" suited Eddie Kendrick's voice much more than it suited Diana's.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||October 26, 2022 4:14 PM|
People always put forth this idea that Diana was intimidated by XYZ yet she gave that mic to Patti Labelle live on stage...
|by Anonymous||reply 77||October 26, 2022 4:15 PM|
Excuse me, OP. It’s Miss Ross to you.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||October 26, 2022 4:38 PM|
[quote] Gladys Knight is a wolf in sheep's clothing. —Ree
And you were an elephant in a circus tent.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||October 26, 2022 4:41 PM|
Theres no disputing her impact on pop culture...especially with the Supremes, but she was the original prototype for Beyonce...leaves successful girl group to pursue a solo career and because of blind devotion from her fans, deems herself the second coming...regardless of her mediocre talent. If you strip away the high fashion and glitz, youre not really left with much. And like Diana.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||October 26, 2022 5:04 PM|
^^^and I like Diana^^^
|by Anonymous||reply 81||October 26, 2022 5:05 PM|
R74, I knew Gladys many years ago. When she was at the height of her popularity. And she was and is an angel. She is warm friendly and very down to earth. She's religious and definitely likes to be a peacemaker. Doesn't like people to be mean or hateful. And she loved Aretha.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||October 26, 2022 5:25 PM|
I think Gladys Knight is very underrated.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||October 26, 2022 5:35 PM|
Diana's voice is very touchy these days and still live audiences are enchanted. That's not mediocrity. That's a winner, baby.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||October 26, 2022 5:37 PM|
R63 that is so off the rails. What a cunt. I’d love to know what Sheena Easton thought about her over the top antics.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||October 26, 2022 5:43 PM|
R68 Diana sounds like a monster
|by Anonymous||reply 86||October 26, 2022 5:45 PM|
I remember Diana singing on one of those "Divas Live" things decades ago. She seemed drunk and her voice was shot.
Although, in fairness, she sounded better than Whitney Houston, who showed up on another "Divas Live" show cracked out of her mind. And speaking of crack: her voice when she tried to sustain any notes. It was so bad that it was removed from all rebroadcasts.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||October 26, 2022 5:56 PM|
She has a distinctive reedy voice- certainly not great but applied to the right pop music, effective. She had enormous ambition and played the glamour role to the hilt. So she’s a star- not the sort of talent and artistry of Aretha and Streisand. Diana and Cher kind of occupy the same niche: glamour brand, distinctive if not limited talent, and drive. Both still working in their 70s!
|by Anonymous||reply 88||October 26, 2022 6:18 PM|
The majority of Ross' catalogue has aged much better than Streisand's. They both can favor cloying... goop. But Streisand has more of that in her catalogue.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||October 26, 2022 6:20 PM|
Aretha's latterday recordings are more disappointing than Diana's too.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||October 26, 2022 6:20 PM|
Cher is one of the greatest actresses of all time. Please don't diminish her talents.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||October 26, 2022 6:24 PM|
[quote]The majority of Ross' catalogue has aged much better than Streisand's.
That's because Ross was a better pop singer.
I wonder if, over time, all that pop will sound terribly dated.
Streisand's forays into the Great American Songbook early in her career may stand a better chance of lasting, although I doubt it.
I think Ross's only shot at being remembered is her work with The Supremes.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||October 26, 2022 6:26 PM|
[Quote] I wonder if, over time, all that pop will sound terribly dated.
That's an odd comment to make when Streisand dove into pop once the 1960s gave way to the 1970s...
|by Anonymous||reply 93||October 26, 2022 6:27 PM|
[Quote] Streisand's forays into the Great American Songbook early in her career may stand a better chance of lasting, although I doubt it.
Most of Streisand's material in that vein were obscure songs. It's telling that her versions of the better known songs of that ilk have not risen to be considered the definitive version(s).
|by Anonymous||reply 94||October 26, 2022 6:29 PM|
[Quote] I think Ross's only shot at being remembered is her work with The Supremes.
Not true at all. The Chic stuff is never out of fashion, save for the initial slump Rodgers & Co. experienced in the early 1980s.
And then there's "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" (which is probably better known in Ross' version), "Touch Me In The Morning," "Theme from Mahogany," "Endless Love," etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||October 26, 2022 6:31 PM|
One of my friend's dad owned a popular construction company in Greenwich, CT in the 80s and 90s. He did a lot of home-remodeling work for many celebrities out there, and never had a problem with anyone - until Diana Ross hired him . According to him, at first she was very nice - going room by room with a list of changes she wanted to each room. (He said she had bought a beautiful old mansion in Greenwich where her kids lived with her). The biggest jobs were to be her bathrooms and kitchen where she wanted complete upgrades, while keeping the historic architecture in tact. The rest was more cosmetic work in the other rooms. He offered her a proposal (at around $750K) and she accepted and approved all the changes, materials, etc - and work began in late winter / early spring with about 6 months to finish. He said she put a small deposit down (about $10K).
For most of the spring/summer she went on tour and left him and his crew alone. She returned towards the end of the summer, while he had about a month or so to go to finish the project. When she walked through the house with him, she threw a fit - inisted nothing was right, she didn't like what he did, etc. and wanted almost everyhting done over. Everything from the paint on the walls (which she picked out and gave to him) to the kitchen counters, lighting, appliances - everything. Keep in mind, everything was her choosing and her approval before she left. He - a professional - ended up staying though the end of the year with her watching over him, and the price went up to nearly $2M (as he said, it stated in his contract if she wanted any changes done after the job was done to her specifications, she was responsible). She was finally sastisfied with the project, but would not pay him for the extra work - only paid him for the $750K. This poor guy was mortified.
He ended up suing her, and after a few years of court delays (due to her team of lawyers) they finally settled out of court, yet he was still stiffed about $500K in the end - so he didn't earn any profit. Years later (mid-2000s) she called him - had the audacity to ask him if he would do more work on her house since the kids were grown and she was thinking to sell. She acted like everything was peachy between the two of them. (No he didn't go back).
|by Anonymous||reply 96||October 26, 2022 6:31 PM|
[quote]Cher is one of the greatest actresses of all time.
Oh, please. Cher was a surprisingly good actress (when she could still move her face) but she was NOT one of the greatest actresses of all time.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||October 26, 2022 6:32 PM|
Was this reconstruction around the time of Diana's second divorce? She hit the bottle hard.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||October 26, 2022 6:35 PM|
Streisand has by far the most complete and explored catalogue of music of literally any singer. If you don’t know that, you simply don’t know her recorded catalogue. Every major songwriter of the 20th Century and much of it definitive when she recorded.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||October 26, 2022 6:36 PM|
Care to list the "major songwriter" songs of which Streisand's are the definitive version?
|by Anonymous||reply 100||October 26, 2022 6:50 PM|
[Quote] most complete and explored catalogue of music of literally any singer.
Oh, please. "Classical Barbra" and "Disco Barbra" were fully explored, huh?
|by Anonymous||reply 101||October 26, 2022 6:51 PM|
If these stories are true Diana Ross sounds God awful. She ought be ashamed.
I'm glad Queen Bey isn't this way. She could teach these old biddies a thing or 2 about common human respect and class.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||October 26, 2022 6:53 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 103||October 26, 2022 6:54 PM|
She received proper clearing and copyright use for both songs. Kelis is complaining about a song she doesn't own nor wrote nor produced. Pharrell could have given that song to Ashanti. Kelis was lucky.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||October 26, 2022 6:59 PM|
Or Kelis was screwed out of publishing that was rightfully hers.... (And Beyonce has publishing that is NOT rightfully hers...)
|by Anonymous||reply 105||October 26, 2022 7:03 PM|
R96 that’s fascinating. I like a portion of Ross’s music but hate her personality being a bitch. I’d probably like her more if she wasn’t a huge cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||October 26, 2022 9:55 PM|
[R106] I remember him telling us stories about work he did for Kathie Lee, Meryl Streep, Martha Stewart and The Philbins. The one other story he told us that stood out in my mind was for Martha Stewart which ended up on a sour note:
MS was a regular repeat customer of his and he enjoyed working for her. She asked him to build a customized cabinet with a bookcase on top. She was going to put it in one of the guest bedrooms. She approved everything he designed as well as the materials and colors he was to use - so he built it for her, painted it and put the lighting in it and hardware on it. Everything was hand-carved by him, including the intricate molding he attached on to it at the end. He said it was beautiful in the end - one of his finest pieces (though MS forbade him to take any photos of his work inside her home for privacy reasons). He was happy because he charged a fortune for this, and she happily paid him. MS loved the piece. It tiik him a few months to finish.
One day a few months later he flipped on his television and her 'Christmas' show was on (this was in the early 2000s) and she was giving a tour of her home for the holidays. There on the show was his handcrafted cabinetry in MS guest room. She was telling the audience how SHE designed the cabinet, how SHE built the cabinet by herself, she chose the colors, did all the trim - all by herself. Never gave him credit. After that experience, he never took another job from her again - and told her why. She believed she didn't do anything wrong. (Her defense: she paid him, she owned it, she could say whatever she wanted about it).
|by Anonymous||reply 107||October 26, 2022 10:19 PM|
There's something so wonderfully American about her, in the best sense of the word: the drive, the work ethic, the talent, the perfectionism, the well-earned success. She just makes me feel proud.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||October 26, 2022 10:51 PM|
She pulled herself up by her bootstraps?
|by Anonymous||reply 109||October 26, 2022 10:55 PM|
She's a great "Yes You Can!" role model.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||October 26, 2022 11:05 PM|
Fuck you r110
|by Anonymous||reply 111||October 26, 2022 11:14 PM|
[quote]She pulled herself up by her bootstraps?
More like her strap-on, child.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||October 26, 2022 11:20 PM|
I can't deny her charisma as a performer back in the day, or what she represented, but yeah...she's a weird one. Very high and mighty and grand and that's annoying AF.
She's entitled to think her shit don't stink - she was an icon and trailblazer, no denying it - but she's a weird. I LOVED when Walters asked her "...is that really all your hair?" during an interview. I mean, LOL.
Babs said some insulting shit over the years, but that was deserved.
I mostly hate that Ross screwed over the other gals in the group and was bitchy towards them for decades. It'd be nice to think she'd value them equally.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||October 26, 2022 11:32 PM|
[Quote] I LOVED when Walters asked her "...is that really all your hair?" during an interview. I mean, LOL.
Tell you you're white without saying you're white.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||October 26, 2022 11:46 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 115||October 26, 2022 11:46 PM|
[Quote] I mostly hate that Ross screwed over the other gals in the group
|by Anonymous||reply 116||October 26, 2022 11:46 PM|
[Quote] It'd be nice to think she'd value them equally.
How could you value someone equally when you do much more work than them but they get paid the same amount as you do?
Ross helped Wilson out financially as her marriage ended. Ross tried to help out Florence but Florence's husband insisted on receiving the money himself. Ross wisely did not play ball with him. Ross also helped Cindy financially until she got sick of the handout mentality.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||October 26, 2022 11:49 PM|
Right here! Click on the YT icon so you can ff to 01:34:00. That's some straight Miss Ross bitch fit shit right there. She ain't actin! No, baby, she ain't actin!
|by Anonymous||reply 118||October 27, 2022 12:14 AM|
Hmmm, have you ever heard the Friars Club tribute to Streisand where Styne, Rogers, Arlen, Berlin and others essentially regard her as their favorite to sing their music. Ever heard what Bernstein said about Streisand as a vocalist? And practically ever other living songwriter of her time? Nah, I don’t think you do. Ever looked at the programs of her concerts? Ever asked another singer about the variety, the difficulty, and the manner in which it’s delivered? Ever read reviews of her concerts and shows going back to an 18 year old at the Bon Soir, or Coconut Grove a few years later? Before she was 21 she had the crème of the entertainment and songwriting world at her feet. Comparing her to Ross is like comparing Warhol to an ad illustrator. Silly DL posters. Stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||October 27, 2022 12:16 AM|
Oh shit! I forgot about the phone call right before. Go to the 01:33:00 mark, instead.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||October 27, 2022 12:17 AM|
[quote]It'd be nice to think she'd value them equally
Even Motown--and, more important, the public--didn't value them equally. They weren't billed or paid the same. And they were swapped out for session background singers ("Someday We'll Be Together Again") and NOBODY noticed.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||October 27, 2022 1:33 AM|
This forum really lets Diana have it…I googled “Diana Ross cunt” and I got this:
|by Anonymous||reply 122||October 27, 2022 1:39 AM|
[Quote] They weren't billed or paid the same.
They were paid the same.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||October 27, 2022 2:04 AM|
[quote]Hmmm, have you ever heard the Friars Club tribute to Streisand where Styne, Rogers, Arlen, Berlin and others essentially regard her as their favorite to sing their music.
Styne also praised Ross' recording of the FUNNY GIRL soundtrack, saying it was the best he had ever heard (or something along those lines). NO WAY could that have sat well with Streisand. The bagels and lox must've decorated her kitchen walls that morning when she heard that.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||October 27, 2022 2:24 AM|
Diane seems so energized and happy at the close of her final show at the Frontier Hotel in Las Vegas on January 14, 1970, when she met, introduced and named onstage her upcoming new solo act’s background singers Cindy Birdstone, Mary Wells and Tammi Terrell.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||October 27, 2022 2:26 AM|
Babs must have seethed with surprisingly controlled anger at this.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||October 27, 2022 2:31 AM|
Also her eyes are bugging out.
She was all teeth and eyes, like her skin was being pulled back, clean off her face.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||October 27, 2022 2:32 AM|
[R126] Babs grabbed Marty Ehrlichman by his balls and demanded to know, "Who is that colored woman stealing my act ?"
Ehrlichman, suffering in pain, sputtered out "D-d-diana Ross!"
Streisand asked "Diana What ? Never heard of her. "
|by Anonymous||reply 128||October 27, 2022 2:35 AM|
As Barbra walked away, Marty muttered under his breath "you wouldn't have heard of her Babs. She's part of the 15+ Billboard number 1 club. You never made it that far!"
|by Anonymous||reply 129||October 27, 2022 2:42 AM|
She can't sing like I can!
NOBODY CAN SEE HER ON A RECORD!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 130||October 27, 2022 2:44 AM|
[quote]They were paid the same.
At the start. But not after Diane started sucking Berry's dick and had the name of the group changed, child.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||October 27, 2022 2:49 AM|
I thought Diana’s Funny Girl takes were embarrassing at the time. I’ve always thought she wanted the career and success of Streisand. She did pretty well anyhow. For me there is no real comparison, one is a great talent and artist who became a huge star and the other is a narrowly focused pop singer who became a glamor brand as an entertainer- like Cher.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||October 27, 2022 2:51 AM|
It has been written in several articles about it that Diana continued to be paid equally with the other 2 Supremes after she got star billing in the group, and through her 1970 solo transition.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||October 27, 2022 2:52 AM|
Glamour brand.... Streisand certainly tried for that.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||October 27, 2022 2:58 AM|
Her voice stinks
|by Anonymous||reply 135||October 27, 2022 3:00 AM|
Ross and Streisand went on different paths after the 70s.
Ross, like Streisand, was a talented actress in her own right (she even got praise for her role in 'The Wiz'; it was the director who got most of the blame for the bombastic production which made the film a flop). She said in an Oprah interview years later that after filming three movies back-to-back, she chose to leave acting. She found no fun in leaving her daughters for months on end to go on 'location' to shoot a movie, and to sit on a set all day long until they need you for your scenes (she found that a waste of time). She didn't want any regrets later in life that she missed her children growing up, important dates in their lives (graduations, proms, etc,) because she was shooting a movie 'on location' and couldn't be there with them. She preferred doing concert tours - traveling with her kids from city to city while they were on summer vacation and winter vacation. She liked recording music because she was near her children - recording in studios not too far from her home. She admired her friend Jackie Kennedy, and how Jackie put her children first before any other personal success in life, and she chose the same. Today she is still an integral part of her five kids lives, and now her grandchildren.
As much as I admire Streisand, I have never heard her speak of her relationship with Jason in the same way. I have never heard her say she put aside filming not to miss his 'formative years' and 'growing up years' (was he with her while filming YENTL for two years in Europe ?) - we may have to wait until the memoir comes out and see if she addresses this. (Same with Cher and her kids).
The only other female entertainers I know of who said publicly that they put their career on the back burner while their kids were growing up was Donna Summer (her hiatus in the 90s and OOs) and Dionne Warwick (her hiatus in the 70s).
|by Anonymous||reply 136||October 27, 2022 3:18 AM|
And yet Chutney became a tagalong of Paris Hilton's.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||October 27, 2022 3:37 AM|
Donna Summer's dwindling commercial success semi-retired her... And when did Dionne Warwick take a break in the 1970s? There was scarely a year when she didn't have an album out.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||October 27, 2022 3:40 AM|
She DID NOT get praise for her role in The Wiz...she was one of the reasons for the bad reviews and failure.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||October 27, 2022 3:41 AM|
Did Barbra get praise for NUTS?
|by Anonymous||reply 140||October 27, 2022 3:43 AM|
Cher is a great actress and she has a strong distinctive voice. I love her.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||October 27, 2022 4:46 AM|
She hit me in the head with a fondue pot.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||October 27, 2022 4:53 AM|
[quote]Ross, like Streisand, was a talented actress in her own right (she even got praise for her role in 'The Wiz'
Fans are adorable.
Ross in "The Wiz" was laughed out of theaters.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||October 27, 2022 2:22 PM|
Ross stopped making movies because she ruined THE WIZ. She was miscast, she looked terrible and her voice was too small for those big songs, especially HOME. No one wanted to put her bony ass in movies after that fiasco. And it was all her own doing, manipulating her way into the lead role as Dorothy. Her ego is the size of one of those oversized Royal Caribbean cruise ships. People told her that she was wrong for the role. But she didn’t listen. And she takes no responsibility whatsoever for the film’s failure. And her solo recording career, as has been mentioned, has been spotty at best. Personally I liked that Bee Gees album. It only did well in Europe and Asia though. And she trashed the Bee Gees when it tanked in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||October 27, 2022 2:49 PM|
They didn't treat her voice well on that album.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||October 27, 2022 2:51 PM|
It's a pity about Ross's acting career.
I thought she was quite good in Lady Sings the Blues, even if her voice was all wrong for Billie Holliday.
She even got an Oscar nomination for her first role.
But what did she follow it up with? A silly vanity picture Mahogony. And then a totally miscast role as a frumpy teenager.
It's easy to blame Barry Gordy, but I think Ross's ego had gotten so big, the fault is probably mostly hers.
"I wanted to be with my kids" is just an after-the-fact excuse for why she no longer got roles.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||October 27, 2022 2:55 PM|
[quote]Oh, please. Dionne was a notorious cunt.
You just say that because none of her hotline predictions came true for you
|by Anonymous||reply 147||October 27, 2022 3:12 PM|
[quote]She hit me in the head with a fondue pot.
Yeah? Well you probably deserved it.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||October 27, 2022 3:13 PM|
No it doesn't. OK it's not the best voice out there but she clearly can hold a tune.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||October 27, 2022 3:14 PM|
I recall Ross was into some kind of 70s "self help" thing and I may be wrong but I seem to recall her forcing that crap on the other members of "The Whiz."
|by Anonymous||reply 150||October 27, 2022 3:15 PM|
[R138} Warwick cut way back on touring in the 70s when her kids were young. She didn't do concert tours to promote her new albums as she did in the past (and she would do again in the 80s and 90s). She was living in LA at the time (her estate was next door to newly divorced Cher's and her eldest son grew up with Chasity) and wanted to be a hands-on single mom to her two sons. She described in her book that she would drive them to school / pick them up; make them their breakfast, lunch and dinner each day, and spend quality time with them in their formative years. Recording studios were in the LA area, close to home, and that is how she maintained a recording career. Like Ross, she cut down her concert tours to summer vacations with her kids - if she needed to travel at all (she enjoyed spending summers with her kids doing 'family' stuff instead of business).
As for Summer, she focused on being a stay-at- home mom as well with her two younger daughters Amanda and Brooklyn. She had regrets being so busy in the 70s and early 80s when her first daughter Mimi was young, and she wasn't 'at home' for her since she was travelling everywhere. She didn't want to do the same to Amanda and Brooklyn (which is when she decided to take a break and focus on painting - which she did from a studio in her home). I can only admire that.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||October 27, 2022 3:29 PM|
If those ladies were having hits, they would have toured. But their careers were floundering.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||October 27, 2022 3:31 PM|
[quote]Oh, please. Dionne was a notorious cunt.
But she was like the only black person to comment on ONJ's death. Oh wait that could also mean that ONJ was a racist.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||October 27, 2022 3:35 PM|
Did the most misunderstood Black woman in America not comment on ONJ's passing?
|by Anonymous||reply 154||October 27, 2022 3:37 PM|
[R154] Not sure who you are referring to as 'the most misunderstood Black woman in America' , but if it's Dionne Warwick - yes, she did. She did a beautiful tribute to her in an interview just a few weeks ago. (They've been friends since the mid-70s).
If you're referring to Madonna, no - she didn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||October 27, 2022 3:50 PM|
[quote]But she was like the only black person to comment on ONJ's death.
And which black person was she like?
|by Anonymous||reply 156||October 27, 2022 4:01 PM|
Her pussy stinks!
|by Anonymous||reply 157||October 27, 2022 4:17 PM|
ONJ and Dionne were good friends. ONJ even did a tribute to Dionne on her lp "Ladies of Song."
|by Anonymous||reply 158||October 27, 2022 4:20 PM|
you're definitely not the only one, stans of the other supremes are still bitching about her in youtube comments 60 fucking years later...
|by Anonymous||reply 159||October 27, 2022 4:39 PM|
Dionne has had her moments. She’s not the most tactful person.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||October 27, 2022 6:06 PM|
She was actually really good in a TV movie about a med student who becomes schizophrenic. I think it was called "Out of the darkness"
|by Anonymous||reply 161||October 27, 2022 6:32 PM|
link to movie
|by Anonymous||reply 162||October 27, 2022 6:34 PM|
No one wants to see this dried up hasbeen. The snark and criticism she’s received the past couple of decades is karmic. She’s shit in one too many peoples faces.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||October 27, 2022 6:55 PM|
R155 Madonna released a brief condolences tweet on Olivia’s passing in August.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||October 27, 2022 10:14 PM|
R162 she was good in that role.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||October 27, 2022 10:15 PM|
Thats because even though ONJ was bubble gum for the most part, she had cred...even Mariah Carey had her guest at a few of her concerts...Australia, L.A., etc......side note...its also at a time when Mariah looked her best...not some overstuffed, tarted up sausage.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||October 27, 2022 10:18 PM|
[Quote] she had cred...
She really didn't. I've been reading some of her old album reviews. Those guys at HiFi Stereo Review were particularly bitchy.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||October 27, 2022 10:39 PM|
Thats because she wasnt cool to them r167...she was nothing but a bubblegum pop princess to them.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||October 27, 2022 10:42 PM|
But she had cred to butterfly charm bracelet Mariah... I guess.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||October 27, 2022 10:48 PM|
[quote]Comparing her to Ross is like comparing Warhol to an ad illustrator.
Ross is one of the best live performers in the business on par with Garland and Minnelli. Her concerts consistently broke records for decades and are still breaking them.
You sound ignorant.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||October 27, 2022 11:08 PM|
Still breaking records for what? Oldest performer still trying to entertain gay men?
|by Anonymous||reply 171||October 28, 2022 12:39 AM|
Yeah Streisand did a bit of cheesecake publicity- but she essentially is a great talent, that is her calling card- one poster implied that she sort of ignored Jason. She has said many times in interviews that the greatest achievement and reward in her life was her son. She never addresses his personal life beyond saying he is wonderful and she adores him. She lets him speak for himself. Both Ross and Streisand were good moms- their kids are stable thriving adults!
|by Anonymous||reply 172||October 28, 2022 12:58 AM|
Isn’t one of Diana’s sons a pothead?
|by Anonymous||reply 173||October 28, 2022 1:50 AM|
She's affected. Over the top, out there. Her music was great, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||October 28, 2022 7:48 AM|
Vocally she may not be on a par with Streisand, but she has this amazing and very rare ability to make her audiences feel really really good. You always feel a shared joy at her live concerts.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||October 28, 2022 9:00 AM|
I think she's matured and mellowed, and has since evolved from her younger pretentious self. She tours often, and makes Q&As a part of her show. She actually seems to enjoy talking with her audience.
(BTW, the teenager who speaks at the beginning of the video is her grandson, through daughter Rhonda. Rhonda's dad was Berry Gordy.)
|by Anonymous||reply 176||October 28, 2022 9:21 AM|
Call me MISS Ross !!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 177||October 28, 2022 9:53 AM|
Call me Miss CUNT
|by Anonymous||reply 178||October 28, 2022 2:17 PM|
Is there a gofundme to pay for an editor for R8? So many words.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||October 28, 2022 3:37 PM|
Let's face it Diana Ross was making hits for over 20 years and that is when five years for any pop artist was a long time.
She was the number two female artist behind ONJ, in the 70s,. Interestingly enough, for the first have of the decade Helen Reddy was the #1 female artist and for the second half of the 70s, Donna Summer was the #1 female artist.
Neither Diana nor ONJ was top for the first or second half of the decade, but overall they bested the others with longevity which really didn't come about till that later half of the 80.
FYI, Donna ranked 3rd overall for the 70s and Helen ranked #4, and for those wonderin Karen Carpenter was not counted but counted as part of a duo or group.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||October 28, 2022 3:46 PM|
Reading the comments in r122 link. If Miss Ross ever reads those comments, she’ll open her veins. Wow.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||October 28, 2022 4:22 PM|
There’s the number ranking troll again. R180 It doesn’t change anyone’s opinions ever
|by Anonymous||reply 182||October 28, 2022 5:29 PM|
I think the son that married that Simpson girl is gay.
But you never know.
And at least I was never found passed out drunk in a Blockbuster parking lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||October 28, 2022 9:13 PM|
Classic interview with Barbara, Mary, and Diana. Goes into the Supremes reunion drama. I have to say, Mary was a fool to not do this tour. Diana is right. All Mary had to do was show up and sing and get paid millions. But Mary was overly concerned with how much Diana was making, and Mary chose to make no money instead of the millions she would have made. Diana foolishly went forward with this “reunion” tour without Mary and I think it may have been cancelled after only a few shows. If Mary had been involved, it could have been a huge success.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||October 28, 2022 10:33 PM|
Isn’t Diana Ross doing really D list venues these days? She must need money.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||October 29, 2022 12:01 AM|
Her pussy STILL stinks!
|by Anonymous||reply 186||October 29, 2022 6:22 AM|
I thought she was dead
|by Anonymous||reply 187||October 29, 2022 6:31 AM|
Isn’t she 95 now?
|by Anonymous||reply 188||October 29, 2022 11:19 AM|
Mary was so blinded by hatred and jealousy that she shot herself in the foot.
I think in some way it was worth any amount of money she might have made to see Diane humiliated.
And it worked.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||October 29, 2022 1:13 PM|
[quote]Isn’t Diana Ross doing really D list venues these days? She must need money.
If you consider sold-out show at NYC Radio City Music Hall a few weeks ago......maybe.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||October 29, 2022 3:08 PM|
The Return to Love Tour wouldn't have been successful if Mary and Cindy were onboard. It was too ambitious. If they wanted to tour together, they should have started the tour in the UK & the rest of Europe. Diana hadn't been a chart force on homeground since 1984.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||October 29, 2022 3:56 PM|
[quote]Let's face it Diana Ross was making hits for over 20 years and that is when five years for any pop artist was a long time.
She was the number two female artist behind ONJ, in the 70s,. Interestingly enough, for the first have of the decade Helen Reddy was the #1 female artist and for the second half of the 70s, Donna Summer was the #1 female artist.
Neither Diana nor ONJ was top for the first or second half of the decade, but overall they bested the others with longevity which really didn't come about till that later half of the 80.
FYI, Donna ranked 3rd overall for the 70s and Helen ranked #4, and for those wonderin Karen Carpenter was not counted but counted as part of a duo or group.
From everything I've read, Linda Ronstadt was the #1 female artist in the 70s, until Donna Summer dethroned her in 1978. Ronstadt was the highest paid female recording artist from 1972 -1980, until Donna Summer signed with Geffen and became the highest paid female artist. That lasted a year - Ross dethroned Summer when she became the highest paid in 1981 with RCA, and after that I believe it was Madonna when she renewed in the mid 80s.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||October 29, 2022 4:01 PM|
Mary was very shortsighted not doing that tour with Diana.
Think of all the lost opportunities to start singing the lead over Diana while wearing a "surprise!" better outfit--and talking between songs: "Funny--well some of you all might say 'shocking'--story about Diane and the 'management' at Motown."
|by Anonymous||reply 193||October 29, 2022 4:06 PM|
Mmph... Just be jealous, bitches. I'm 98% sure that the original poster is some Black "Lipstick Alley" bitch QUEEN who is STILL arguing about that ghetto gal Florence Ballard and that Ross is only where she is now because she fucked Berry Gordy a few times. YES! I SAID IT!!! Or, it's one of Mary Wilson's Queens who is trying to keep that no-talent whore's memory alive even though she really had no talent--except for fucking every man she could and couldn't have been too good at that since she never landed any of them. YES! I said it!!!
Listen children... Ross has (and not had) a 50 plus year career and it is still going strong. She is STILL selling out venues, pulls down $250K/week minimum, and is making new music whether you like it or not. Unlike her "contemporaries" she does not have to do talk shows, participate in stupid reality shows, or stage marketing scams ie "Farewell" tours where she says "farewell" for 10 plus years or more to make her money. I tell ya... Cher and Barbra Streisand should be sued for false advertising...
Her children are well-adjusted (and RICH) unlike many of those "others" children who are messes in many cases. They tend to live off of the name of their mother.
And, my Baby-Girl, Baby Love, is living her best life and has the financing to prove it! Miss Ross just bought another FABULOUS house!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 194||October 29, 2022 5:16 PM|
R194 Types like a pressed drag queen.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||October 29, 2022 5:23 PM|
[quote][R194] Types like a pressed drag queen.
Well, everyone wants to be Diana Ross, honey...
|by Anonymous||reply 196||October 29, 2022 5:29 PM|
R196 it’s no longer 1969.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||October 30, 2022 1:36 AM|
R190 is proof that Beyoncé isn’t the only one who has idiotically obsessed keepers for stans. I pity it.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||October 30, 2022 3:43 AM|
More about the house in... ARCHITECTURAL DIGEST, btw...
[quote]Ross, who was crowned "Female Entertainer of the Century' by Billboard in 1976, still has a pretty robust career at 78 years old. The “Baby Love” singer released her 25th album last year and ended an international tour last month. With properties in Connecticut and California, the Golden Globe-winner has come a long way from humble beginnings at her childhood home in Detroit.
Is Dionne still cleaning and is that pie girl available to come over to make some pies for the housewarming party?
|by Anonymous||reply 199||October 30, 2022 10:44 AM|
Still a hasbeen.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||October 30, 2022 1:07 PM|
She needs to rest
|by Anonymous||reply 201||October 30, 2022 1:53 PM|
[quote][R190] is proof that Beyoncé isn’t the only one who has idiotically obsessed keepers for stans. I pity it.
You're proven wrong and this is your retort? Like I said..... Moron.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||October 30, 2022 3:51 PM|
R202 you have not proven anyone wrong. Cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||October 30, 2022 4:27 PM|
Yes I did moron. You said she was at "D list venues". I pointed out she sold out Radio City a few weeks ago.
For the 3rd time...you're a moron.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||October 30, 2022 4:46 PM|
Some friends of mine were hired by Diana Ross to shoot the video for her mid-80's flop single, "Dirty Looks".
They said she was a complete bitch and that they would never work with her again.
I do like her voice and a lot of her music, though I don't get why people think she's so charismatic. How much charisma does it take to change outfits 10 times a night, smile like an insane, bug-eyed banshee, and stand in front of a wind machine so your weave blows all around you?
What people refer to as her "charisma" is really just a carefully curated public image: beautiful, glamorous, classy, and slightly aloof. An old-school "star", in other words, a part she played extremely well when she was at her best.
She had the right combination of talent, ambition and luck...probably a little more ambition and luck than talent.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||October 30, 2022 5:42 PM|
She’s a huge star, she has a place in pop music history for certain. But I find her music limited, with the best being when she was a Supreme. Sometimes it’s so bad (the girls especially) that it’s good in retrospect. But I thought it was cool when I was a kid (except when she sang show tunes).. She might have become a big movie star if the US wasnt essentially racist and openly so in her prime.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||October 30, 2022 7:05 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 207||October 30, 2022 7:11 PM|
Her solo stuff has historically been so hit and miss. An album of hers would have two, three good songs at best. The rest of them were usually filler. And there’s more bad stories about her than good. So team haters.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||October 30, 2022 11:48 PM|
That's true of most popstars. Why waste good songs on album tracks? That's the record company reasoning.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||October 30, 2022 11:55 PM|
[quote]And there’s more bad stories about her than good. So team haters.
But, you see... THAT'S what you bitches want to read and hear. It makes money for those that are "doin' the tellin'" I'm not defending Ross. Some of the stories might be true and/or misinterpreted. She addresses the issue in some Barbara Walters interview. What I respect about her that she pays that nonsense no mind. Her concert tickets are still selling. She's in demand. The money is rolling in... Why should she concern herself with what some background girl has said about her?
|by Anonymous||reply 210||October 31, 2022 1:02 AM|
Sorry r210 we can agree to disagree. Everyone sees what they want including you…
Don’t like Ross. Never will. And I don’t have to, do I?
|by Anonymous||reply 211||October 31, 2022 1:18 AM|
You absolutely DO NOT have to like her. BUT, if nothing else I would think that you would respect the longevity of her career and how she still works... A LOT! Granted, you may wonder "how can this be?"
|by Anonymous||reply 212||October 31, 2022 1:21 AM|
[quote]Mary was very shortsighted not doing that tour with Diana.
Mary Wlson was an IDIOT! Even she knew that after she let that $5M scot-free paycheck slip through her fingers.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||October 31, 2022 1:37 AM|
I loved Diana as a child and I’m 35. My grandfather taped her late 80’s greatest hits live show and I watched it religiously as a child.
But she definitely fell out of popularity with my generation. Hip-hop reintroduced her music to my generation because so many of her songs were sampled in the 90’s.
And now she’s just gone. My sister doesn’t know her. I just recently introduced her to The Supremes.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||October 31, 2022 1:38 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 215||October 31, 2022 1:39 AM|
R211 I don’t care for her either. It’s okay.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||October 31, 2022 1:51 AM|
Honestly, some of you don't even understand the level of fame the woman had attained early on in her career. The Supremes were second only to the Beatles. Donna Summer? Olivia Newton John? Not even Cher enjoyed Ross' level of fame until she got into acting and won an Oscar. Ross' only true competition was Streisand, both who are rightly deserving and legitimately understood to be true entertainment ICONS.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||October 31, 2022 3:25 AM|
[R217] You're forgetting Aretha.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||October 31, 2022 4:06 AM|
Aretha was never a multimdeia star.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||October 31, 2022 4:08 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 220||October 31, 2022 4:08 AM|
It doesn’t matter how much fame she attained. No to me, anyway. I dislike her. There’s a few folks in showbiz that I don’t like, regardless of their level of success.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||October 31, 2022 10:49 AM|
[quote]Honestly, some of you don't even understand the level of fame the woman had attained early on in her career.
Of course, they don't R217. Most of them are just caught up in some kind of time warp in which they just perpetually lament about what Ross did to poor Flo and Mary. They feel that those two had no responsibilty or accountability to "whatever" happened to them in their lives. It's always that mean-ole bitch Ross with her terrible weaves that made their lives miserable. For some reason they never remember that it was Mary who walked away from a "free and clear" $5M paycheck and that Flo married a charlatan that stole her money. Or they're the ones who are upset because that heifer who screeches, rolls all over the stage floor, while kicking off her shoes, isn't much more successful and recognized.
Those of us who do like her, and even those who don't like her but can appreciate her success/achievements, should just do as Ross does... leave these people alone. Let them remain in their own bubble while the rest of us moves on.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||October 31, 2022 11:08 AM|
Troll at R39 about marrying and dating black, there is a big difference in Queen Bey and Diana as the type of person. You just know Diana is the type to have white husband, it doesn't make her any less black, she didn't straighten her hair and paint it blonde. Poor women in black community, you treat them like public property and are offended when they marry white guys, as if it was your own wife cheating you.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||October 31, 2022 12:50 PM|
There’s a few celebrities out there whose success in their chosen fields is mystifying to me. Gisele, Beyoncé, the Hemsworth brothers, Bob Dylan, Taylor Swift…tons. Dishonorable mention to Robert Redford. I see that they are successful but they don’t do anything to impress me.
Add Diana Ross to the list. Okay, she’s been successful. But I don’t love her singing or her attitude, the latter which has been documented by more than just Mary Wilson.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||October 31, 2022 2:26 PM|
R221 and R205 . Yes.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||October 31, 2022 3:48 PM|
And do not ever compare her to Barbra Streisand or LiZa. Ever. Or Cher for that matter.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||October 31, 2022 3:49 PM|
Aretha had no respect for her. She called her "Diane" to her last day. Aretha was an absolute giant compared to her. There are so many very talented people out here who didn't mistreat people like Gladys Knight, who was incredibly talented.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||October 31, 2022 3:51 PM|
People like to parrot the notion that Ross isn't much of a singer... but when people try to sing Ross' songs... e.g. Aretha's "It's My Turn."
|by Anonymous||reply 228||October 31, 2022 3:51 PM|
[Quote] Aretha had no respect for her. She called her "Diane" to her last day. Aretha was an absolute giant compared to her. There are so many very talented people out here who didn't mistreat people like Gladys Knight, who was incredibly talented.
The irony of this post, when Gladys Knight has detailed the multiple times Aretha apparently mistreated her...
|by Anonymous||reply 229||October 31, 2022 3:53 PM|
[quote]Aretha had no respect for her.
[quote]In a YouTube clip, Franklin stated that she was a fan of Ross' when she saw her perform with the Supremes. While the artists had mutual respect, they weren't best friends.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||October 31, 2022 4:50 PM|
"when she performed with the Supremes..." That is an important distinction. I repeat: Aretha had no respect for Diane.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||October 31, 2022 5:48 PM|
I wonder if her reputed horrible Divatude can be attributed to a certain dietary supplement. It was the 1970s after all, and don't people who regularly use such a dietary supplement given to wild mood swings and behavioral patterns. Any scoop re this likely scenario?
She sure was skinny, and even much skinnier at times than she already was.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||October 31, 2022 5:49 PM|
Aretha looks plenty happy to pose with Ross here.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||October 31, 2022 5:57 PM|
Compare her countenance to that of her encounter with Tina Turner...
|by Anonymous||reply 234||October 31, 2022 5:57 PM|
Tina and Aretha had Sam Cooke in common.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||October 31, 2022 5:57 PM|
Intrigued that this crowd has issue with Diana Ross being a bitch.
I thought we celebrate that here at the Data Lounge but bitching about a diva being a bitch IS quintessentially Data Lounge, no?
|by Anonymous||reply 236||October 31, 2022 6:07 PM|
'Bout to get heated...
|by Anonymous||reply 237||October 31, 2022 6:09 PM|
Damn. Dionne's father spat her out.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||October 31, 2022 6:12 PM|
All smiles here. What material is Dee Dee's suit?
|by Anonymous||reply 239||October 31, 2022 6:13 PM|
R224, you don’t get Dylan? Oy. Suggest you look into the music he has composed and the lyrics he has written since 1960. I suspect that you don’t know.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||October 31, 2022 6:24 PM|
This is a thread about performers. Plenty of people don't enjoy Dylan as a performer.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||October 31, 2022 6:29 PM|
Did Mary sport this hairstyle often? It looks half '50s, half '80s.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||October 31, 2022 10:38 PM|
Diana is one of the most talented singers ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she has a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||October 31, 2022 11:06 PM|
R243 that’s the biggest crock of shit I ever saw.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||October 31, 2022 11:09 PM|
R244 do you know where you're going to ? do you like the things that life is showing you ?
|by Anonymous||reply 245||October 31, 2022 11:11 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 246||October 31, 2022 11:19 PM|
Best Ross concert ever. At her peak in 1979. Remember the very first time it was broadcasr on HBO - first time I ever saw Ross. Just a kid.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||October 31, 2022 11:39 PM|
[quote]Aretha was an absolute giant compared to her.
She was a giant compared to almost anyone.
If she had gained anymore weight, she would have been bedridden.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||October 31, 2022 11:53 PM|
Diana is a beautiful woman who sings like an angel and can act. Aretha Franklin is a fat fug who screams. Ther's a world of difference
|by Anonymous||reply 249||October 31, 2022 11:56 PM|
Aretha was a mixed live performer. Ross has never lost the hunger to "win" onstage.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||October 31, 2022 11:56 PM|
Aye. Ross was indeed an apex live performer. She loved the stage. Loved it!
|by Anonymous||reply 251||November 1, 2022 12:08 AM|
That's what separated Ross from Streisand - Ross loved the energy of performing in front of an audience. Streisand didn't - she stayed away from performing for nearly 30 years, blaming stage fright. Where Ross enjoyed the stage, Streisand enjoyed making movies.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||November 1, 2022 12:28 AM|
and also, Streisand is white
|by Anonymous||reply 253||November 1, 2022 12:29 AM|
Barbra also had more money than God very early in her career and could afford to coast and pursue her whims. Remember, for the early and most successful part of her career, Ross didnt make the big bucks. A nice sum, but not the big bucks. Berry Gordy paid them just enough to keep them quiet for the most part and took in the big money. Thats why everyone left the label as soon as they could
|by Anonymous||reply 254||November 1, 2022 12:33 AM|
oh, and also streisand was jewish
|by Anonymous||reply 255||November 1, 2022 12:35 AM|
in fact they have absolutely nothing in common
|by Anonymous||reply 256||November 1, 2022 12:35 AM|
Ill tempered divas? Of course, they have things in common.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||November 1, 2022 12:37 AM|
40 years ago this past September, Ross released "Silk Electric" which was a mishmash of music (most left over from her 'Why Do Fools...' album, when it was cut back from a double LP to a single LP) . "Muscles" - a song penned by Michael Jackson about his pet cobra (wink, wink) was the lead-off single and hit #10. "So Close" (a left-over from the "Fools" recording session) was the second single, and just nicked the Top 40.
The album peaked at #27, but ended up selling Gold (500,000 copies). The cover was by Warhol. It was the end of her hot streak.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||November 1, 2022 12:38 AM|
Barry Gordy groomed Diana to be a crossover artist. He wanted her to be a star celebrated by white fans as well as Black. But in the Black community she was not celebrated the way she was by white fans. That's a fact.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||November 1, 2022 12:42 AM|
[quote]But in the Black community she was not celebrated the way she was by white fans. That's a fact.
Diahann Carroll faced the same dilemma, R259. Why do you think that is?
|by Anonymous||reply 260||November 1, 2022 1:17 AM|
Well, Richard Rodgers and Vic Damone weren't exactly Black Panthers...
|by Anonymous||reply 261||November 1, 2022 1:19 AM|
Whitney Houston had the same problem in the 80s with her first two albums - she showed them! She became a junkie and married Bobby Brown to get street cred.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||November 1, 2022 2:09 AM|
[quote] Mary Wlson was an IDIOT! Even she knew that after she let that $5M scot-free paycheck slip through her fingers.
Child, I would have had my fatal heart attack 20 years earlier if I'd done that tour with Diane!
No amount of money is worth spending 3 months on the road with that heifer!
Besides, I got to enjoy the sweet, sweet pleasure of being the one who single-handedly destroyed that fake-ass "reunion" with those two bitches she'd just met the night before. You can't put a price on such delicious revenge.
Now don't get me wrong, I love Diane, I truly do! As long as I don't have to see her or talk to her more than once every five years!
|by Anonymous||reply 263||November 1, 2022 2:11 AM|
Would Mary have got the money upfront? Or would the tour cancellation a few shows in have left her with only a small amount?
|by Anonymous||reply 264||November 1, 2022 2:12 AM|
The point, R264, is that if Mary and Cindy had appeared as originally planned, then the tour would not have been cancelled and may have been a success.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||November 1, 2022 2:15 AM|
The tour wouldn't have been canceled a few shows in because everyone wanted to see Diana, Mary and Cindy. It would have been a massive hit tour. But Mary dropped out, and convinced Cindy in dropping out - so Diana teamed up with two other 'Supremes' (from the late 70s) and no one cared.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||November 1, 2022 2:16 AM|
That's a shakey point. The Supremes may have been chart rivals to The Beatles in the 1960s but their stock did not stay as high. And with Ross' low stock by the end of the 1990s, the tour was too ambitious.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||November 1, 2022 2:19 AM|
[quote]Would Mary have got the money upfront? Or would the tour cancellation a few shows in have left her with only a small amount?
I actually think that her money was guaranteed. Ugh! WHAT AN IDIOT!!!
[quote]No amount of money is worth spending 3 months on the road with that heifer!
For just 2-4 hours every other night? Mmph... (SMH)
|by Anonymous||reply 268||November 1, 2022 2:28 AM|
I wonder if Mary really bought into the notion that Ross wasn't much of a singer. Did she really think Flo was The Voice?
Mary was realistic about her own singing. She said that she wasn't a great singer. She thought she was a great entertainer.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||November 1, 2022 2:34 AM|
[quote]The Supremes may have been chart rivals to The Beatles in the 1960s but their stock did not stay as high.
Did not stay as high? Are you kidding me? It's over 50 years and people are STILL talking and arguing about the Supremes, Flo Ballard, Mary Wilson, and what that bitch Ross did to them.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||November 1, 2022 2:34 AM|
The Beatles provided a template the Supremes could have followed, with their "Anthology" project.
A TV special, telling their story in their own words, featuring rarely seen performance clips, interviews, etc. An accompanying coffee table book.
A new "Anthology" album/CD featuring outtakes, rarities, and possibly a couple of new songs by the three girls.
Make a big deal out of it, and treat their legacy with the respect it deserves. They could have done something really cool and special.
Instead, Diana just wanted an big-budget, but ultimately fairly slapdash, cash-grab.
|by Anonymous||reply 271||November 1, 2022 2:35 AM|
I disagree. The Beatles garner more respect because they are men, they were songwriters and their music satisfies white men's view of themselves. The Supremes could not compete with that.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||November 1, 2022 2:39 AM|
*str8 white men's
|by Anonymous||reply 273||November 1, 2022 2:39 AM|
[Quote] Instead, Diana just wanted an big-budget, but ultimately fairly slapdash, cash-grab.
In Diana's defence, her latest album was not only a bomb but it was the end of her contract with Motown. She was at a low point in terms of her career AND her personal life (divorce).
|by Anonymous||reply 274||November 1, 2022 2:40 AM|
Mary and Florence didn't even do the backup singing on the later albums. That's how mediocre their singing was. Flo was difficult to handle and Mary wasn't as devoted as Diana, who had the 'IT' factor and the necessary drive. Most of the hate directed towards Diana is rooted in petty jealousy.
But whatever, Miss Ross outlived them all and still loves to perform.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||November 1, 2022 2:41 AM|
Some of the posters above know nothing about the Beatles.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||November 1, 2022 2:44 AM|
Mmph... what a bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||November 1, 2022 2:46 AM|
[R271] I don't think that's Ross' style at all. She has always said she is one to look forward, not relive the past. She doesn't dwell in the negativity of the past - and what you described would be an open door to negativity for her.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||November 1, 2022 2:59 AM|
R278, I've seen Diana Ross perform and all she does is nostalgia. So much for "not looking back."
|by Anonymous||reply 279||November 1, 2022 2:53 PM|
Who wants to hear new music from DR? Nobody
|by Anonymous||reply 280||November 1, 2022 4:09 PM|
I like some of her old stuff, mainly when she was a Supreme. Catchy tunes. But her solo career wasn’t really as good.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||November 1, 2022 4:12 PM|
Like The Supremes, but Diana Ross willingly fucked Gene Simmons so ...
|by Anonymous||reply 282||November 1, 2022 4:21 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 283||November 2, 2022 2:54 AM|
[quote]I wonder if Mary really bought into the notion that Ross wasn't much of a singer.
I don't know about that. Mary's delusion was that she was on the same level and equal to Ross.
[quote]Mary was realistic about her own singing. She said that she wasn't a great singer. She thought she was a great entertainer.
Ha! LOL! I didn't know she did comedy!
|by Anonymous||reply 284||November 2, 2022 10:25 AM|
Once again, just because you like a celebrity doesn’t mean that others have to. That” you HAVE to look at their body of work and career” argument sounds like you want to force people to like Diana, Bob Dylan or any other celebrities you are a fan of. Disliking them is not an attack on you, but an opinion. When I was younger, I was like that. I thought that if people disliked someone who was my favorite whatever, I took it as an attack on my tastes and values. It’s not.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||November 2, 2022 2:39 PM|
The Beatles deserve more respect, they did far more than Diana and The Supremes creatively. Any broad with that range could have been gussied up and sang those songs.
|by Anonymous||reply 286||November 2, 2022 3:26 PM|
And The Supremes themselves were seen as prissy and boring even by creative white people at the time. They were nonthreatening and non-challenging music for middle America, which to be fair, was a landmark in itself during the civil rights era.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||November 2, 2022 3:29 PM|
R287 You're right. But Berry Gordy's strategy worked. It helped to make many Whites realize that "Hey, Blacks are no different than us!" Many Blacks actually wanted that type of acceptability, too. In any case, Motown was pivotal in introducing Black talent to the mainstream in ways never seen before, and Diana Ross was the golden goose of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 288||November 2, 2022 3:45 PM|
Mary Wilson's point was that there was nothing particularly special about Diane. Barry Gordy could have chosen almost anyone to be "Diana Ross". Including Mary, whoactually did have a better voice. Mary, however, could be attitude ish. Diane was simple. She was ambitious to be famous. Once she hooked up with BArry Gordy and got pregnant, she let her diva come out full time. Then she was singled out "Diana Ross and the Supremes" and once she left the group they floundered. It had an impact. There were other girl groups who didn't go down that path.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||November 2, 2022 3:47 PM|
Mary did not have a better voice. Check out her comatose reading of "Can't Take My Eyes Off You." Mary had a heavy voice that was the enemy of melody. She was no Gladys Knight.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||November 2, 2022 3:50 PM|
Mary and Florence both had good voices, but they were so used to singing backup. They didn’t practice at being solo enough. Of course, Berry Gordy didn’t help matters any by focusing on Diana.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||November 2, 2022 3:53 PM|
Florence's solo records are dreadful. Ross improved her vocals very quickly after their first couple of singles.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||November 2, 2022 3:56 PM|
Flo was the one with the heavy voice. Both Flo and Mary had much stronger voices than Diana and that was exactly the point. Barry wanted to break the sterotype of the "soul Singer." He wanted someone that could easily cross over to sing "white music" not "race music." He wanted to move away from the "urban sound." Why? Economics. White audiences willing to spend money. So he was after wider appeal. He grew up in the 40's..-50's. Segrregation and race music was the way things were done.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||November 2, 2022 3:59 PM|
I’ve heard Florence’s solo efforts. Disappointing. I feel bad for her. She got so many tough breaks…being raped, bullied by Gordy and Diana and marrying that lowlife and dying so young. No one deserved what life gave Florence.
I felt bad for Mary to. Some extent as well, especially because of that horrible car accident she was in that resulted in her son’s death. She must’ve been wracked with guilt. She fell asleep at the wheel on her way to a singing engagement, didn’t she? Rough.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||November 2, 2022 4:02 PM|
[Quote] Both Flo and Mary had much stronger voices than Diana and that was exactly the point.
But they didn't. No one was going wild over Flo's "Buttered Popcorn." She was no Etta James. And Mary speaks more than she sings.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||November 2, 2022 4:12 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 296||November 2, 2022 4:12 PM|
Diana Ross' voice is absolutely unique. There is nobody who sounds like her. And she became an amazing vocalist, interpreter and performer.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||November 2, 2022 4:50 PM|
[quote]And The Supremes themselves were seen as prissy and boring even by creative white people at the time.
Even the Beatles thought that. When they met them, they were expected hip, streetwise black women from the projects. What walked in were three prudes wearing fox pieces, matching hats and pumps, and who disapproved of them smoking weed.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||November 2, 2022 9:00 PM|
It is nonsense and revisionism to claim that either Flo or Mary had better voices than Ross. The proof is in the success.
Ross was a success, not because she had a technically brilliant voice, but because she had a very pleasing voice that was instantly recognizable. The other two didn't have marketable voices.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||November 2, 2022 9:02 PM|
Florence's voice was soulful, and if she had some confidence and proper management after leaving Motown, she might've been able to sing the type of songs Natalie Cole recorded. She blamed Berry and Diana for her failures, but the ultimate blame was her own self.
Actually, she did get therapy before she died. She knew about her issues. Had she survived that heart attack, she might've had second chance at a recording career.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||November 2, 2022 9:15 PM|
The chances of being a success as a pop singer are so slight.
And all types of ineffable qualities go into it. Sometimes, it's just having lucky timing.
Flo and Mary were suited to being fungible backup singers.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||November 2, 2022 9:18 PM|
Florence was given some decent songs. SHE didn't deliver.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||November 2, 2022 9:20 PM|
Madeline Bell made a better of fist of the same song. It would have suited Jean Terrell well.
|by Anonymous||reply 303||November 2, 2022 9:22 PM|
Mary Wilson's "You're What's Missing In My Life."
|by Anonymous||reply 304||November 2, 2022 9:24 PM|
Scherrie Payne was leagues ahead of Mary with her version.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||November 2, 2022 9:24 PM|
Collectively, the great cross-over entertainers of the '60s -- Sammy Davis, Nat King Cole, Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier etc -- had a hugely positive effect on racial understanding in America. Diana Ross was at the forefront, and her role, like those of the others, has never been properly appreciated. Perhaps because she's never made an issue of it, she just keeps singing.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||November 2, 2022 10:27 PM|
Oprah Winfrey has shown Ross a lot of appreciation.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||November 2, 2022 10:27 PM|
Obama would never admit it, but those performers -- yes, Oprah included -- paved his way to the presidency.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||November 2, 2022 10:37 PM|
For me, Madeline Bell (whoever she is) delivered a slightly better performance than Florence Ballard. But what this made me realize is that I'm just not a fan of the song. It's an "alright" song but not THE song. I think a big part of song writing is being able to discover, hone into, exploit and then capitalize on a singer's personality. Holland Dozier Holland hit Ross in the heart with this. They had this very skinny, bug-eyed, coquettish, girl. That's who they wrote for.
Florence Ballard has been aligned with Etta James. I don't think that is a too far off comparison. She was brassy, brash, and could have a hard edge to her singing. The song linked below is a song (or, something similar) that I really feel that Florence Ballard would have broke the charts with. The song has a late 60s-early 70s flair. Mary could have never done a song like this (she had trouble with "Mary Had A Little Lamb" -- bless her heart), and while Ross can surprise with her vocals ie "The Boss" album, "Carry On", and even gospel, I don't envison her being able to do a song like this successfully.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||November 2, 2022 10:46 PM|
[R306] From everything I read, it was Lena Horne who tried pushing Ross back behind the others. Horne herself was a force to be reckoned with in the 60s, fighting for racial understanding and equality in America with the others you mentioned. She didn't like the 'new girl' coming in and trying to upstage her (again, from everything I've read over the years).
[R308] I disagree - as a matter of fact, I know he has given Oprah much credit for his push in politics. He was present at her famous "Legends Ball Weekend" she held in May 2006 - when he was a newly minted senator. He gt plenty of press and photos taken with Oprah and the other ladies who were present there (including high-ranking politicians). He has thanked her over the years in public, and has shown his gratitude in many ways during his presidency.
|by Anonymous||reply 310||November 2, 2022 10:50 PM|
Florence never sang as hard as Jill Scott does in that track. And I doubt she was held back from doing so...
|by Anonymous||reply 311||November 2, 2022 10:51 PM|
Compare Florence to Dee Dee Warwick...
|by Anonymous||reply 312||November 2, 2022 10:52 PM|
Or Irma Thomas...
|by Anonymous||reply 313||November 2, 2022 10:52 PM|
Or even histrionic Gene Pitney...
|by Anonymous||reply 314||November 2, 2022 10:54 PM|
Mary did a version of "Respect" that isn't bad. Declamatory songs would have suited her better than anything lyrical.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||November 2, 2022 10:56 PM|
[Quote]For me, Madeline Bell (whoever she is)
R309 She is an American who achieved fame in England. Before that, she was a gospel singer. Florence probably could sing gospel, too. Her voice seems to suggest that she had some church training.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||November 2, 2022 10:57 PM|
Madeline Bell just turned 80 over the summer. The soft, heady part of her voice is surprisingly intact.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||November 2, 2022 10:59 PM|
Ha! GREAT comparison, R312. I listened to R311 and thought that the producer should have been tarred, feathered, and dragged through the streets. Then I listened to the DeeDee Warwick rendition and liked it. So, Florence clearly had her limitations.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||November 2, 2022 11:00 PM|
Florence took to drinking hard. I expect it affected her voice by the time of the ABC Records sessions. This is abysmal:
|by Anonymous||reply 319||November 2, 2022 11:05 PM|
OH, R313!!! Juke joint/chit' lin' circuit music!!!!
BRING IT ON!!!
Somebody brang me a drank!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 320||November 2, 2022 11:09 PM|
[quote]Mary did a version of "Respect" that isn't bad. Declamatory songs would have suited her better than anything lyrical.
|by Anonymous||reply 321||November 2, 2022 11:20 PM|
Just another uppity old Negress.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||November 3, 2022 1:58 AM|
Thank you, R317. I enjoyed that. Thank you for exposing me to Madeline Bell too. I had never heard of her.
|by Anonymous||reply 323||November 3, 2022 11:36 AM|
[quote]Obama would never admit it, but those performers -- yes, Oprah included -- paved his way to the presidency.
I believe it is more the infamous (mostly) straight white men in the position of power from Wall Street.
|by Anonymous||reply 324||November 3, 2022 12:35 PM|
Nonsense R324. They certainly wanted Obama to believe that, but putting a Kennedy in as ambassador and a Pritzker as a cabinet officer must have quickly disabused him of the notion there was a secret liberal cabal running the government.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||November 4, 2022 3:40 PM|
You are silly R325. You are like Russians who don't believe that KGB brought Putin in power.
Obama, nor any other US president, would have never come close to White house, if he wasn't backed by the lords who run the US. Conservative or liberal lords.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||November 4, 2022 3:49 PM|
Diana Ross was a fool to turn down Luther Vandross. He worshipped The Supremes and would have created something special for her.
His only misfire was that album he produced for Dionne Warwick. Very uneven product.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||November 4, 2022 4:08 PM|
She should have stayed with Ryan O'Neal - she was perfectly matched with that psychotic asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||November 4, 2022 4:38 PM|
[quote] Obama, nor any other US president, would have never come close to White house, if he wasn't backed by the lords who run the US. Conservative or liberal lords.
That would make a good novel, fiction of course. This is proven false by the immediate and virulent anti-Obama campaigns by the Kochs, Mitch McConnell and the like.
|by Anonymous||reply 329||November 4, 2022 4:41 PM|
[quote] Diana Ross was a fool to turn down Luther Vandross. He worshipped The Supremes and would have created something special for her.
Agree. A missed opportunity for Diana, particularly when you consider that her post-Motown recording output was so mediocre and underwhelming.
|by Anonymous||reply 330||November 4, 2022 4:44 PM|
The same as they say in Russia R329
Wasn't Obama fighting many wars in Middle east too. They bring these guys on these positions to achieve their economic goals with " other means".
|by Anonymous||reply 331||November 4, 2022 4:46 PM|
R330, did she give a reason why? My guess is that both of them were major control freaks and Diana Ross wasn’t about to give in to anybody. Even Aretha battled with him over creative control over the two albums he produced for her…
|by Anonymous||reply 332||November 4, 2022 5:32 PM|
[Quote] Diana Ross was a fool to turn down Luther Vandross.
No she wan't. The shitty albums he produced for Aretha and Dionne should tell you that. Luther spread himself very thin... He was good for a single here and there, not an album.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||November 4, 2022 6:38 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 334||November 4, 2022 6:38 PM|
Luther's own albums were uneven, with songs that mostly didn't cross over to the pop chart. His vocals are what gave him his recording career. His songwriting was patchy. And as much as his fans loved his remakes, they generally didn't reach hit single status either.
|by Anonymous||reply 335||November 4, 2022 6:41 PM|
I strongly disagree. Aretha’s first album by him, as well as Cheryl Lynn’s INSTANT LOVE, were shimmering collections of great rythym and blues music.
|by Anonymous||reply 336||November 4, 2022 6:42 PM|
The material was trivial. Aretha mostly let her talent go to waste on Arista.
|by Anonymous||reply 337||November 4, 2022 6:45 PM|
We’ll agree to disagree r337. But I am partial to Aretha’s Narmada Michael Walden stuff as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 338||November 4, 2022 7:06 PM|
Narada certainly did his thing with "Who's Zoomin' Who" and "Freeway of Love" but his crowning achievement for a female act is Stacey Lattisaw's "Let Me Be Your Angel" album. It's a beautifully varied and cohesive set.
|by Anonymous||reply 339||November 4, 2022 7:31 PM|
She’s ugly and over hyped
|by Anonymous||reply 340||November 4, 2022 7:33 PM|
Why is everyone avoiding what is the obvious reason? Luther Vandross is (was) too identified with the Black community. Yes, he could sing. Yes, maybe a song or two would have been hits--on the R & B charts. But an entire album? No ma'am. No sir. That's NOT the Ross way. It's the same reason of why she has 100% refused to do any type of Tyler Perry movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 341||November 4, 2022 7:38 PM|
Were Ashford & Simpson "too" identified with the Black Community? They were never a big pop force.
|by Anonymous||reply 342||November 4, 2022 7:49 PM|
Ross saved money by producing herself on RCA. After the Bee Gees floppage, she tried to sell the next project as "Red Hot" R&B, when it really wasn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 343||November 4, 2022 7:50 PM|
Ross turned down "Empire." I don't believe it's about antiblackness, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 344||November 4, 2022 7:51 PM|
[quote]Were Ashford & Simpson "too" identified with the Black Community? They were never a big pop force.
I disagree. Besides many of their songs transcending racial lines the couples singing careers did also. Their videos were quite popular and in demand on MTV.
|by Anonymous||reply 345||November 4, 2022 7:54 PM|
Not really. Ashford & Simpson had one big Pop hit, "Solid." They were more black identified. Ross worked with them. She also worked with plenty of R&B types when she returned to Motown. "Every Day Is a New Day" is mostly R&B.
|by Anonymous||reply 346||November 4, 2022 8:00 PM|
[quote]Ashford & Simpson had one big Pop hit, "Solid."
It only takes one. Think Chubby Checker, Fats Domino, or Solomon Burke. There are others too.
[quote]They were more black identified. Ross worked with them.
They were MOTOWN identified
|by Anonymous||reply 347||November 4, 2022 8:08 PM|
[quote]Ross turned down "Empire." I don't believe it's about antiblackness, though.
-Didn't need the money.
-Didn't need exposure
-Participate in a television serial about a Black entertainment company? C'mon now...
|by Anonymous||reply 348||November 4, 2022 8:15 PM|
[Quote] Participate in a television serial about a Black entertainment company? C'mon now...
The narrative you're painting makes it sound like she would have refused to star opposite Brandy, yet she didn't. Ross isn't obliged to work with anyone because of their skin color. As I already mentioned, Ross tried to go more R&B in the 1990s... Why? Because R&B began to rule by the mid 1990s. Even Cher's team tried to have her jump on the train with that pedestrian remix of "One By One."
|by Anonymous||reply 349||November 4, 2022 9:15 PM|
[Quote] They were MOTOWN identified
And Motown liked to sell lots of records.... Imagine that.
|by Anonymous||reply 350||November 4, 2022 9:16 PM|
[quote]The shitty albums he produced for Aretha and Dionne should tell you that.
TOTAL NONSENSE, Luther Vandross produced some gorgeous albums for Dionne Warwick and Aretha Franklin. Beautifuly sophisticated arrangements and wonderful songs. They just weren't pop hits material.
Just check out 'It's Just Your Love' and the duet with Levy Stubbs on Aretha's album 'Jump To It', or Luther's duet with Dionne 'How Many Times Can We Say Goodbye' on the album he produced for her. Absolute musical sophistication!
|by Anonymous||reply 351||November 4, 2022 9:24 PM|
And why weren't they pop hits material? Music of all genres can hit the pop charts. Who has remade those album tracks? Few and far between because the songs aren't up to much.
|by Anonymous||reply 352||November 4, 2022 9:26 PM|
Poor Levi Stubbs barely even got credit. Was it a label issue or something?
|by Anonymous||reply 353||November 4, 2022 9:27 PM|
Here's Luther and Dionne duetting live.
You need to have your ears checked R333
|by Anonymous||reply 354||November 4, 2022 9:38 PM|
[quote]Who has remade those album tracks? Few and far between because the songs aren't up to much.
I can't think of anybody who's talented enough, vocally and musically, to even try to sing the duet Luther did with Dionne, esp live.
|by Anonymous||reply 355||November 4, 2022 9:43 PM|
[quote]Luther's duet with Dionne 'How Many Times Can We Say Goodbye'
It's simply a beautiful song and lyric with a story that many can relate to. I put this song on the same level with two other songs that I really like. One done by Aaron Neville and Linda Ronstadt; "Don't know much" and the other by Ross's daughter Rhonda that I really enjoy.
|by Anonymous||reply 356||November 4, 2022 9:56 PM|
I'll admit that slush is not my thing, r354.
|by Anonymous||reply 357||November 4, 2022 10:01 PM|
Fuck. Dionne sounded like her Got2B.Real counterpart by 1985, didn't she.
|by Anonymous||reply 358||November 4, 2022 10:02 PM|
Ross was offered the role of "Shug" in Spielberg's movie 'The Color Purple'. He really wanted her to play the role, but she wanted her name above the title and wanted her role expanded - so she could be considered for a 'Best Actress' Oscar, and not a 'Best Supporting Actress'. Spielberg was considering these changes but Alice Walker put her foot down and said 'no' - Shug was not going to be elevated to a major character in the movie. There'd be no changes to Walker's story.
He then offered the role to Tina Turner, who turned it down - said she already lived the life of Shug.
|by Anonymous||reply 359||November 4, 2022 10:03 PM|
And neither had reservations over the gay kiss?
|by Anonymous||reply 360||November 4, 2022 10:05 PM|
R351, I love, love, love “It’s Just Your Love”…exquisite song.
|by Anonymous||reply 361||November 4, 2022 10:49 PM|
Diana Ross is a legend and a major talent and I won't hear a word against her.
|by Anonymous||reply 362||November 4, 2022 10:54 PM|
[quote]Participate in a television serial about a Black entertainment company? C'mon now... "The narrative you're painting makes it sound like she would have refused to star opposite Brandy, yet she didn't. Ross isn't obliged to work with anyone because of their skin color"
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. To ask Ross to participate in a drama serial about a Black Entertainment Company is the same as asking her to play the role of Deena in Dream Girls. Why would she do something like that which would use Motown and/or The Supremes as a baseline?
I always thought that a sincere interest and possible success that could have lured Ross into a serial project would have had to be something like "The Colbys." A Black multi-billionaire family in science, oil, or something other than entertainment, where Ross is the high-profiled matriarch that would become known by the jewelry and nothing but designer couture clothing she would wear. Other than that, television is too much work for a mature lady of her age.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||November 4, 2022 11:22 PM|
Diana Ross never wanted to get too involved with the black community. How long did it take for ESSENCE magazine to convince her to pose on the cover? Few if any of the white mainstream magazines put her ass on the cover. And that one EBONY interview she gave after leaving Motown. The writer told her that some blacks accused her of not being involved with the community. She gave the lamest answer. “I NEVER think in terms of color or race…it’s about people!”. She deservedly got dragged in Letters to the Editor. Some charity in Harlem asked her to be a hostess for one of their fundraisers. She never responded to them. Who did? Liz Taylor, who graciously accepted and took photos with folks and signed autographs.
Of course, she was paid in turkey necks and gravy over rice.
|by Anonymous||reply 364||November 5, 2022 1:38 AM|
[R360] That never came up in any of the interviews or articles covering the movie. Maybe they would have rewritten the scenes if Ross or Turner agreed to co-star ? Maybe they would've used some clever camera angles ?
|by Anonymous||reply 365||November 5, 2022 2:50 AM|
Diana Ross did record a song written and produced by Luther Vandross for her 1987 Red Hot and Rhythm and Blues album.
|by Anonymous||reply 366||November 5, 2022 2:50 AM|
R364 is talkin out his ass!
|by Anonymous||reply 367||November 5, 2022 3:11 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 368||November 5, 2022 3:14 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 369||November 5, 2022 3:15 AM|
But not VOGUE, COSMO or GLAMOUR & ELLE.
|by Anonymous||reply 370||November 5, 2022 3:34 AM|
[quote]Luther's own albums were uneven, with songs that mostly didn't cross over to the pop chart. His vocals are what gave him his recording career. His songwriting was patchy. And as much as his fans loved his remakes, they generally didn't reach hit single status either.
Ha! What a wonderful critique! I enjoyed reading it.
IMHO, (and agreeing with the above), Luther knew how to entertain an audience, and that really didn't include him. He was just the voice. His shows were always about the songs and his background singers. He always gave credit to The Supremes and the magic they created while on stage. It was that same magic that he wanted his backup singers to create.
|by Anonymous||reply 371||November 5, 2022 3:39 AM|
[quote]R79 Gladys Knight is a wolf in sheep's clothing. —Ree
Diane was a WHORE in sheep’s clothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 372||November 5, 2022 4:07 AM|
Damn. Luther commits to the choreography with about as much enthusiasm as Mariah Carey does.
|by Anonymous||reply 373||November 5, 2022 4:10 AM|
Didn't you fuck a pair of Womack brothers, Miss Wells?
|by Anonymous||reply 374||November 5, 2022 4:10 AM|
[quote] “A fresh breeze,” says Diana Ross of her signature scent, which she bottled into[bold] “Diamond Diana,” [/bold]her first-ever fragrance. “It’s light enough, yet exquisite enough. . . . I wanted the fragrance to have a little bit of a mystery. I wanted it to sing.” It’s true that the blend of musk, orange blossom, jasmine, and black rose, shot through with a crisp green feeling, is as fiercely feminine as Ross herself.
Was this a decent scent?
It looks like you could stab someone with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 375||November 5, 2022 4:23 AM|
[quote]One done by Aaron Neville and Linda Ronstadt; "Don't know much"
Much more a sing along song compared to Luther's duet with Dionne.
Aretha's duet with Levi Stubbs had the same sophisticated musical and vocal quality.
|by Anonymous||reply 376||November 5, 2022 5:43 AM|
By sophisticated, do you mean the melody doesn't stick?
|by Anonymous||reply 377||November 5, 2022 5:50 AM|
One dissatisfied customer at Fragrantica:
[italic]The packaging is nice but I nearly stabbed my self with the pointed plastic top. This has a potent synthetic scent to it, the fragrance doesn’t last long, in about one hour the fragrance smells like strong baby powder.”
|by Anonymous||reply 378||November 5, 2022 5:58 AM|
[quote][R351], I love, love, love “It’s Just Your Love”…exquisite song.
It really is R361, written and produced by Luther too. The background vocals and arrangements are absolutely superb. Plus a gorgeous piano solo by Geoge Duke.
|by Anonymous||reply 379||November 5, 2022 5:59 AM|
Your Love sounds like an extended intro to Jump To It. Lazy Loofah.
|by Anonymous||reply 380||November 5, 2022 6:02 AM|
I’m not buying her perfume!
[italic]”Tried it yesterday in Lord & Taylor. Great opulent opening, seductive. Then turns into something strange and strong… can't tell which note it is, but not very pleasant.”
“Yes, it will remind you of Obsession ... but a bottle that has been left in the sun for about 15 years.”
|by Anonymous||reply 381||November 5, 2022 6:04 AM|
[Quote] left in the sun for about 15 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 382||November 5, 2022 6:07 AM|
Gurl Please stop this drivel! Just stop it !! Ms. Ross is infinity! Ms. Ross is Elegance !!!
|by Anonymous||reply 383||November 5, 2022 6:09 AM|
She’s not a great singer
|by Anonymous||reply 384||November 5, 2022 6:10 AM|
MISS Ross. She's an old-fashioned gal.
|by Anonymous||reply 385||November 5, 2022 6:11 AM|
Diana's Stolen Moments (Not Husbands, Mary!) show.
|by Anonymous||reply 386||November 5, 2022 6:12 AM|
Now she’s just old
|by Anonymous||reply 387||November 5, 2022 6:12 AM|
"It has taken me thirty years to understand the deepness of the feelings that I have." Diana IS Elise
|by Anonymous||reply 388||November 5, 2022 6:14 AM|
[quote]Now she’s just old
|by Anonymous||reply 389||November 5, 2022 2:34 PM|
I love Mary Wilson's telling of their encounter with Eartha Kitt - Diane gushing and Eartha silent, closing her handbag and walking away.
|by Anonymous||reply 390||November 5, 2022 10:30 PM|
[quote] I love Mary Wilson's telling of their encounter with Eartha Kitt - Diane gushing and Eartha silent, closing her handbag and walking away.
I think it was Martha Reeves that told that story of "Diane" and the other Motown girls meeting Eartha Kitt.
|by Anonymous||reply 391||November 5, 2022 10:52 PM|
I think it was Martha Reeves that told that story of "Diane" and the other Motown girls meeting Eartha Kitt.
I read it in Mary Wilson's book - she was there, Martha wasnt, same as the story of Claudette Robinson beating the shit out of Diane for shagging Smokey.
|by Anonymous||reply 392||November 5, 2022 11:20 PM|
I’d lick her sons asshole
|by Anonymous||reply 393||November 5, 2022 11:44 PM|
[quote]I read it in Mary Wilson's book - she was there, Martha wasnt, same as the story of Claudette Robinson beating the shit out of Diane for shagging Smokey.
Mary had to call in a psychic, therapist, or both, to assist her with her own memories when she was writing that book. So, who knows what is fact, something that she heard about, or even if some things were just pure fiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||November 5, 2022 11:57 PM|
Few performers have the charisma that Diana Ross has. Her voice is unique. Her phrasing and song styling as well. There were better voices at Motown perhaps but Ross touched some kind of cultural nerve there other women at Motown did not. I was a teenager when The Supremes were at their height. I stood outside the doors of my town's record shop the morning I knew a new Supremes record was in stock. Still remember how her voice in those songs made me tingle. Just saw her in concert last month. Say what your will but she still has it.
|by Anonymous||reply 395||November 6, 2022 12:15 AM|
Diana Ross is like OJ Simpson in the sense that she has little use for blacks unless they can do something for her.
|by Anonymous||reply 396||November 6, 2022 12:16 AM|
One thing that is overlooked many times when there are discussions about Ross is her upbringing. I'm not dismissing single parents and the good job that the vast majority of them do but Diana Ross hails from a 2 parent home. Most of all the children did well in their own right. Her older sister is Dr. Barbara Ross and her younger sister became a teacher and is now a politician. Her maternal grandfather was a Pastor of his own Baptist church. I really don't know what the brothers do/did but I believe only one Ross child became involved with drugs and addiction.
She comes from a family that believed in education, good values, and good morals . A lot of those trope stereotypes thought of as the bane of being a child from the ghetto does not apply to her. Two factoids stick out in my mind. The first one was the disappointment that her father had (and she was at the top of her game by this time and marrying Arne Naess) that she never attended college. Ross, herself, for the longest time had insecurities about this. The second was a quote and objective given by her mother. She worked to raise her children to be good, quality, people.
|by Anonymous||reply 397||November 6, 2022 2:01 AM|
Are you leaving out T Boy Ross in your assessment?
|by Anonymous||reply 398||November 6, 2022 2:05 AM|
^Mmph... and look at her! This JEALOUS bitch here! She couldn't wait to post her snide/nasty post because her Ross hatred is so deep and vile that she has shown the rest of us that either she can't read and/or comprehend. We'll try this again...
[quote] I really don't know what the brothers do/did but I believe only one Ross child became involved with drugs and addiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 399||November 6, 2022 2:13 AM|
Yes, an aside that glosses over a dark part of the family history...
|by Anonymous||reply 400||November 6, 2022 2:14 AM|
Bitches can come from good families too…
|by Anonymous||reply 401||November 6, 2022 2:45 AM|
Miss Ross always had her finger on the pulse. Remember her new jack swing album "Workin' Overtime"?
|by Anonymous||reply 402||November 7, 2022 6:52 AM|
I don't know why Diana is considered a """sell out""" but Tina isn't. You know, it was Tina who openly said this:
[quote]"I wouldn't do a black picture if I was dying. It took me twenty years to get out of that black shit and I ain't going back."
|by Anonymous||reply 403||November 7, 2022 9:47 AM|
When r403 and what magazine?
|by Anonymous||reply 404||November 7, 2022 11:42 AM|
R404 Quincy Jones's autobiography. That's when he and Spielberg wanted her in The Color Purple.
|by Anonymous||reply 405||November 7, 2022 11:59 AM|
Wow. Disappointing but not a surprise, given what Tina went through, r404. After Ike Turner, I’m surprised that Tina didn’t become an out and out hermit.
|by Anonymous||reply 406||November 7, 2022 2:15 PM|
[quote]Wow. Disappointing but not a surprise, given what Tina went through, [R404]. After Ike Turner, I’m surprised that Tina didn’t become an out and out hermit.
I'm not excusing Turner but she is hardly alone in feeling this way. There have been some Black entertainers and celebrities who have been caught voicing this type of sentiment aloud while many more voice these same type of sentiments (or worse) around the kitchen table. Most of this is all rooted in racism and stereotypes that are so deeply rooted that they have become institutional. What's the old saying? "All stereotypes have some degree of reality"? For whatever reasons (and some could be lack of education, exposure, etc.) it is an unwritten fact that Black audiences (people) do not pay, tip, or whatever else other nonsense. Is it wrong to feel this way? Of course, it is! But unfortunately, this has been a reality for many. Why would any performer want to limit themselves (their ability to make money) to just a Black audience or get pigeon-holed like that?
However, let's not limit this to just the performer/celebrity. What about Black people themselves? It grates my nerve if I hear a comment "S/he isn't Black enough". What does that mean? Just on and on...
|by Anonymous||reply 407||November 7, 2022 2:59 PM|
She certainly wasn't well liked by Mary Wilson. At times she painted Diana as a cold, manipulative person who was interested in one person only, herself, and didn't care about anyone she hurt to get what she wanted.
|by Anonymous||reply 408||November 7, 2022 3:14 PM|
As opposed to Mary, who took money from Diana a few short years before writing her "Dreamgirl" book...
|by Anonymous||reply 409||November 7, 2022 3:29 PM|
R407, not talking about pigeonholing or limiting oneself to the black community in terms of entertainment product, but I mean participating in helping out, whether it be performing for events or speaking or helping to raise money for causes. Lena Horne and Diahann Carroll managed to do so while pandering to mainstream audiences. I think that is what pisses some people off regarding Diana.
|by Anonymous||reply 410||November 7, 2022 3:58 PM|
Tina Turner, being BFF with Oprah, never ceases to amaze me. If Tina really hated her background and where she came from, she couldn't have picked any body worse than Oprah who's the personification of all what's wrong with black communities. Tina was just a nouveau riche uneducated girl from the south chasing money.
|by Anonymous||reply 411||November 8, 2022 4:07 AM|
Tina has also whittled her nose down to next to nothing.
If Ross had work done, what did she have done? The only changes over the years that I can see are makeup and hair. Removing the chola eyebrows in the mid sixties was an improvement.
|by Anonymous||reply 412||November 8, 2022 2:06 PM|
[quote]Miss Ross always had her finger on the pulse. Remember her new jack swing album "Workin' Overtime"?
Actually, Ross fans try to forget that album. No one asked Ross, at 45, to imitate 23 year old Janet Jackson that year. A huge step backwards in Ross' career - and fans stayed away from it in droves (a complete flop for Ross; didn't even crack the Hott 100 on the Albums chart).
|by Anonymous||reply 413||November 8, 2022 3:59 PM|
[Quote] Actually, Ross fans try to forget that album.
Not the Ross fans, all two of them, who swear her '80s recordings are her best.
|by Anonymous||reply 414||November 8, 2022 4:50 PM|
[quote]Few performers have the charisma that Diana Ross has.
That's very true. I call it the Diana Ross mystique.
I recall attending the Motown play a few times. It was a very good play and a lot of fun. My only annoyance would be that I would want to see the actors sing and perform rather than the audiences singing loudly to the songs and dancing in the aisles. Anyway, the Diana Ross segment--"Reach Out and Touch". I was (and am to this day) amazed how the audiences that I were with reacted to this. These fools must have thought they were watching Ross herself. I recall that the theater noise would die down until you could hear a pin drop. Eyes would glaze over as if everyone was in a trance as they followed every move of "this actress" wearing a big ball gown, with hair pulled back into a bun like Eva Peron, talking in a soothing voice and singing to us. At the appropriate time the audiences are joining hands, waving them in the air, and singing at fever levels with Ross/the actress. The emotions were so high that it was orgasmic.
But, then it's over...
The actress just looks towards stage right with a stare into space and begins slowly to walk off stage as the lights dim. Her job/mission is completed and as always was successful.
That section of the play always got thunderous applause and standing ovation after standing ovation
|by Anonymous||reply 415||November 10, 2022 10:05 AM|
By all means, R415, let us appreciate the real thing once more.
|by Anonymous||reply 416||November 10, 2022 2:05 PM|
Diana may be a bitch but I love that she loves being a star.
Her Central Park performance is unlike anything else I've ever seen a pop star pull off. With the exception of Madonna falling and getting back up at the Brit Awards, Ross' performance in Central Park in 1983 is the stuff of legends, yet watching it on tape still feels like the stuff of legends.
Watching her move from a high-energy performance to uncertainty to strong resolve to keep going despite the torrential rain is beyond simple professionalism. It's incredible.
|by Anonymous||reply 417||November 11, 2022 4:38 AM|
Really? Some of that performance is embarrassing. "Maniac"? No, thanks.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||November 11, 2022 4:40 AM|
[quote]Watching her move from a high-energy performance to uncertainty to strong resolve to keep going despite the torrential rain is beyond simple professionalism. It's incredible.
I remember the newspaper headlines (remember those) the next day!
"Earth, Wind, Fire, & Diana"--NYPost
|by Anonymous||reply 419||November 11, 2022 10:31 AM|
My God, Miss Ross lip-syncing in Central Park to her then-latest flop record, "Pieces of Shit" is so embarrassing to look back at now. Hideous costumes, lame choreography, awful song.
She's a legend, but not everything she touched was golden, and this goes to show just how awry things could go for her when she was fully in charge and without anybody around her to tell her "no".
|by Anonymous||reply 420||November 11, 2022 10:41 AM|
That cat suit though! Absolutely stunning!
|by Anonymous||reply 421||November 11, 2022 11:22 AM|
Love her, great singer, sensual and sophisticated woman.
Cut the crap about her and Black community, she is her own woman, not a sheep from a herd. And she looks black enough to me (no blonde straight hair).
|by Anonymous||reply 422||November 11, 2022 12:29 PM|
The next day's performance (after the storm) was full of Diana's histrionics, but the night before when she battles the storm is amazing.
|by Anonymous||reply 423||November 11, 2022 6:10 PM|
FunkyTownGrooves reissued Diana's RCA '80s albums with bonus tracks and mixes some years back. I remember fans saying how "underrated" her '80s RCA material is. I cannot agree. They just cannot stand up to her Motown albums. The quality dipped, especially when Diana herself took on the reins of producer. She was not a good producer.
I think Swept Away is her best RCA album because she allowed Lionel Richie, Daryl Hall, Bernard Edwards and Richard Perry to produce some of the songs and it gave the album a stronger sound.
|by Anonymous||reply 424||November 11, 2022 6:13 PM|
R423 Yeah, I'm a fan, but I say the second night of her Central Park show is very mediocre, and her ego is in overdrive.
The first night is just classic. You can tell she was set to kick ass, but the wind, and other problems, including a ramp that was supposed to take her out to the audience but doesn't materialize, added to her frustration. She was struggling during Reach out, when the rain came pouring down and gave her a second wind and a triumphant ending.
|by Anonymous||reply 425||November 11, 2022 6:17 PM|
I enjoy her 80s output for what it's worth - and it's really not worth much compared to her Motown years.
It seemed like for a while, she couldn't find her own identity. In 1985, she was aping Streisand with her Barry Gibb collaboration, but she was five years too late and no one was interested in her or Barry Gibb's music.
In 1989, she decided to ape Janet Jackson, but why bother ? Jackson was all over the radio, and she was the real deal.
1984's "Swept Away" sounded like rejects from Tina Turner's 'Private Dancer' album.
1983's "Ross" was one big mess from start to finish.
|by Anonymous||reply 426||November 11, 2022 6:23 PM|
[quote] I remember fans saying how "underrated" her '80s RCA material is.
Yeah, fandom is strange that way. I see the same thing with Paul McCartney, who put out some great, classic albums post-Beatles, and a whole lot of mediocrity, but there are diehards who insist that "McCartney II" is a ground-breaking, experimental masterpiece, or that "Wild Life" is an unfairly maligned lost classic, and so on.
Diana Ross at RCA clearly cared way more about the album covers (many of which were quite striking), than the music contained within. As an artist in charge of her own career, she really blew it big time.
|by Anonymous||reply 427||November 11, 2022 6:35 PM|
It's a shame because she was coming off such a hot streak at Motown in the late '70s/early '80s. I think The Boss is her best album and diana was a huge hit, and then she had big hits with It's My Turn and Endless Love.
She squandered it for the cheap-sounding Why Do Fools Fall in Love record.
|by Anonymous||reply 428||November 11, 2022 6:39 PM|
She definitely let her ego run her career.
|by Anonymous||reply 429||November 11, 2022 6:46 PM|
R428 Mirror Mirror was a good song
|by Anonymous||reply 430||November 11, 2022 7:02 PM|
(KNOCK!) (KNOCK!) The Supremes are no more and the heyday years of Motown are not returning either. Either you like the woman and her music of today or you don't. If you don't, then simply move on to another time warp and occupy that. The FACT is that this woman is still making new music, selling out venues, and making money hands over fists! How many other of her contemporaries can boast the same thing? Call it living off of her past, luck, or anything else, but she is still current (even on Jeopardy where they think she is 90 years old), and her name alone still can command a room. She's still an international/worldwide superstar.
|by Anonymous||reply 431||November 11, 2022 7:12 PM|
Doesn’t mean that people have to like her r431…
|by Anonymous||reply 432||November 11, 2022 7:13 PM|
Let's not forget that leaving Motown was an absolute necessity by the time she signed with RCA. Gordy was never, ever going to come even close to matching that $20 million, which became the seed money for her $270 million today. She was tired of being working rich and sought to build a fortune. Hits are great for the music career, obviously, but also by that time she had attained Icon status translating to guaranteed lucrative concert work for decades to come. Smart woman had to make a smart move.
|by Anonymous||reply 433||November 11, 2022 7:18 PM|
[quote]Let's not forget that leaving Motown was an absolute necessity by the time she signed with RCA. Gordy was never, ever going to come even close to matching that $20 million, which became the seed money for her $270 million today.
BEST decision she ever made! Gordy should be JAILED because of all of the money he made/stole from those people. Ross left Motown with less than $250K to her name.
|by Anonymous||reply 434||November 11, 2022 7:23 PM|
Nobody's decrying her decision to sign with RCA. The criticism is about what she did musically once she got there.
|by Anonymous||reply 435||November 11, 2022 7:30 PM|
You didn’t love Workin’ Overtime?
|by Anonymous||reply 436||November 11, 2022 7:35 PM|
Workin’ Overtime was stank. Cornball aerobics music for frauen at Workout World.
|by Anonymous||reply 437||November 11, 2022 10:04 PM|
No it wasn’t r437.
|by Anonymous||reply 438||November 11, 2022 10:22 PM|
It was r438.
|by Anonymous||reply 439||November 11, 2022 10:43 PM|
No fool. It was her feeble attempt at hip hop
|by Anonymous||reply 440||November 11, 2022 10:49 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 441||November 11, 2022 10:53 PM|
Her later foray into Techno produced a much more likeable result - to my own ears, anyway. This was good which is why I can't understand why I never heard it until yeats after the release.
|by Anonymous||reply 442||November 11, 2022 11:25 PM|
There's supposed to be an album of Harold Arlen standards that she recorded while at RCA that's been sitting in the vaults. There were rumors that she was going to have it released on her new label after Thank You last year since she has ownership of all of her RCA material.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||November 11, 2022 11:49 PM|
There was one unreleased song issued for the Red Hot Rhythm and Blues reissue from FTG but that is the only unreleased track we have heard from the RCA years (Sweet Soul Music).
It's a shame that Hip-O-Select folded because their Diana Ross (and Supremes) reissues were gorgeous. The 2-CD sets of Last Time I Saw HIm, Touch Me in the Morning and Diana Ross '76 were terrific. It's a shame they never got to The Boss. There were digital-only reissues of Baby It's Me and unreleased stuff from The Wiz but they never finished off the '70s. We did get the excellent 2-CD set from Universal for diana, which included the much-anticipated original CHIC mixes plus a bonus disc of mixes from the late '70s.
|by Anonymous||reply 444||November 11, 2022 11:56 PM|
R442 anyone could sing this.
Overaged whisper coo.
|by Anonymous||reply 445||November 12, 2022 12:52 AM|
You just cannot deny the Ross influence.
|by Anonymous||reply 446||November 12, 2022 12:15 PM|
Ross wore it better. She was quite pretty - fine boned.
|by Anonymous||reply 447||November 12, 2022 1:43 PM|
I didn't know Hip-O-Select folded. They put out the best reissues for Ross.
I remember reading they were working on the OMPS for "Mahogany" - to be reissued and remastered in the 2010s. The album was going to be re-released as originally intended back in 1975: a mix of instrumentals and Ross' vocals. She had originally recorded "After You", "One Love In My Lifetime", "I Thought It Took A Little Time" and "To Love Again" (both versions) for the album, but Berry Gordy dropped that. Also, "To love Again" was originally planned to be the 'theme song from 'Mahogany', but Gordy then had her record "Do You Know Where You're Going To ?" at the last minute and released that as the 'theme song' - dropping 'To Love Again' (as well as the other vocal recordings) completely off the album.
|by Anonymous||reply 448||November 12, 2022 4:52 PM|
Diana's RCA deal was for 7 albums in 7 years. But she fell one short. She proposed releasing the Central Park concert as an album, but RCA turned it down. Then she went in and recorded the tribute to Harold Arlen, but RCA didn't want it released.
Red Hot Rhythm and Blues was supposed to her "Broadway Album" only with her paying tribute to R and B singers of the past. That got shot to shit when Diana demanded the song "Dirty Looks" be included on the album because she fell in love with the version that Motown artists Warp 9 released
|by Anonymous||reply 449||November 12, 2022 6:06 PM|
The red tags are out of control. Someone is going nuts with it. It’s not about actually offensive material or threats, whoever does it now seems to do it based on their personal agenda.
|by Anonymous||reply 450||November 12, 2022 6:19 PM|
[quote]Red Hot Rhythm and Blues was supposed to her "Broadway Album" only with her paying tribute to R and B singers of the past. That got shot to shit when Diana demanded the song "Dirty Looks" be included on the album because she fell in love with the version that Motown artists Warp 9 released
The album and the concept had so much promise, and turned out to be crap. It was neither 'Red Hot' nor 'R&B'. 'Dirty Looks' sounded like a reject from Janet Jackson's album. And why bother with a whispery, forgettable recording of 'There Goes My Baby' when Donna Summer already had a top 20 with it just three eyars earlier ?
At least the expanded double CD released in 2014 was much better.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||November 12, 2022 6:55 PM|
80s Diana? Eaten Alive, Chain Reaction and the seriously underrated Mr Lee are the only decent tracks she put out. It wasnt until When You Tell Me That You Love Me that anybody gave a shit and that could have been put out by Celine Dion and got the same traction
|by Anonymous||reply 452||November 12, 2022 11:04 PM|
She's coasted on her reputation for decades now...
|by Anonymous||reply 453||November 12, 2022 11:07 PM|
r453 hardly the only one
|by Anonymous||reply 454||November 12, 2022 11:11 PM|
The red tags are out of control. Someone is going nuts with it. It’s not about actually offensive material or threats, whoever does it now seems to do it based on their personal agenda.
Elon Musk bought this now?
|by Anonymous||reply 455||November 12, 2022 11:13 PM|
[quote]Eaten Alive, Chain Reaction and the seriously underrated Mr Lee are the only decent tracks she put out.
While I am indeed a Ross fan I'm nowhere near as musically knowlegeable as many of you are here. But, that "Chain Reaction" is one that I don't get nor will I ever get. I never likeed it. However, it's a HUGE hit in the UK! So... what do I know?
[quote]She's coasted on her reputation for decades now...
Say what you want but Ross works as if she has rent to pay! And, maybe she does because she is definitely a spender. It was one of the reasons cited in her divorce from Naess. He couldn't get on board with her spending habits. Ross doesn't just stay in suites (only if they are presidential) but at castles that are fully staffed. One of her famous quotes is; "I'm comfortable with money and money is comfortable with me."
Have you ever really sat down and evaluated her tour schedule? She is on a different stage every 2-3 days with very few days off when on tour. SHE WORKS! That's quite the contrary to many of her contemporaries... Gladys Knight, that cleaning lady woman... Dionne what's-her-name, and especially that heifer that rolls all over the stage kicking off her shoes. Each one of them do 3-4 (and 4 is a strenuous number) of shows per month. WHEW! They done worked, honey... Whereas with Ross... there's 30 days on average in a month? Ross is working 20-25 of those days. Girlfriend lovees her men! She loves George, Abraham, Andrew, Ulysses, and Ben. She is in a different league than those "other" girls. Even Aretha was not on her level re financially.
[quote]'To Love Again'
One of my favorite song by her and "Still Waiting"
|by Anonymous||reply 456||November 12, 2022 11:51 PM|
r456 chain reaction was fucking huge in the uk (the second biggest hit of the year - the biggest was the Spitting Image Chicken Song ), so much so that a cover by steps went to number one and was the biggest song of that year (they also did a cover of tragedy and made that the biggest song of that year too).
We also had Denise LaSalle singing My Toot Toot as one of the top ten singles of the same year as Chain Reaction, so make of that what you will about our musical tastes
|by Anonymous||reply 457||November 13, 2022 12:01 AM|
How dawe you diswespect miss woss wike that?
|by Anonymous||reply 458||November 13, 2022 12:14 AM|
r458 a prostitute once said to me she was so cheap because she didn't have a womb....i said its alright we can do it in the woad
|by Anonymous||reply 459||November 13, 2022 12:21 AM|
"Whereas with Ross... there's 30 days on average in a month? Ross is working 20-25 of those days. Girlfriend lovees her men! She loves George, Abraham, Andrew, Ulysses, and Ben. She is in a different league than those "other" girls. Even Aretha was not on her level re financially."
Maybe it's because she has bill collectors crawling up her skinny, deadbeat ass wanting to be paid. She blew through the old white dude's money 20 years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||November 13, 2022 12:28 AM|
r460 I just paid my debts off so i can relax on my royalties from....
|by Anonymous||reply 461||November 13, 2022 12:42 AM|
[quote][R460] I just paid my debts off so i can relax on my royalties from....
What royalties? That music is still selling?
|by Anonymous||reply 462||November 13, 2022 12:48 AM|
I also love "Chain Reaction."
|by Anonymous||reply 463||November 13, 2022 12:53 AM|
But, I did like the video of the song. I liked knowing the knowledge that the leather skirt she was wearing was one that she wore as a Supreme.
|by Anonymous||reply 464||November 13, 2022 12:58 AM|
Chain Reaction did well for her in the UK because it was reminiscent of her Supremes days and it was catchy and one of the better Bee Gees songs they gave her. She released Eaten Alive too late. By '85, the Bee Gees as producers were passe. And they didn't give her the best material, although I like Experience and I Love Being in Love With You.
|by Anonymous||reply 465||November 13, 2022 1:05 AM|
[quote]I just paid my debts off so i can relax
For the most part.
|by Anonymous||reply 466||November 13, 2022 1:05 AM|
r465 The Disconet and Hot Tracks remixes of Eaten Alive really did well - club play, not chart wise . The video for Chain Reaction helped - we were only just getting into that and it was everywhere, the dress change from white to red is still one I remember nearly 40 years on.
|by Anonymous||reply 467||November 13, 2022 1:11 AM|
I never liked Eaten Alive (the song). It sounded like jibberish. And considering the pedigree of talent (The Brothers Gibb and Michael Jackson) it wasn't very good.
You could barely understand what they were saying in the song. Berry Gordy always stressed enunciation in singing because he believed the key to a big hit was that people could understand what the singer was saying.
|by Anonymous||reply 468||November 13, 2022 1:15 AM|
r462 I get .000002 USD everytime Lady Marmalade is played. On My Own is still big in the UK.
|by Anonymous||reply 469||November 13, 2022 1:17 AM|
r468 it's the remixes that really do it for me with Eaten Alive.
|by Anonymous||reply 470||November 13, 2022 1:23 AM|
Endless Love was a huge hit with like 13? wks #1 on Billboard.
|by Anonymous||reply 471||November 13, 2022 1:32 AM|
r471 Much more MY hit than hers
|by Anonymous||reply 472||November 13, 2022 1:39 AM|
I love Mish Rosh!
She'sh shimply scenshational!
(Sho shorry about the Oshcar, tee hee!!!)
|by Anonymous||reply 473||November 13, 2022 2:24 AM|
It's too bad that Lionel and Diana didn't really get along in the studio. She said in her book that he was late and she preferred punctuality. Because Lionel could do wonders for her - she is perfect for Endless Love and Missing You. I wonder what an entire Richie-produced Ross album would have sounded like in the '80s. I'm sure Berry/Motown would have disapproved of that.
|by Anonymous||reply 474||November 13, 2022 2:31 AM|
Bitch wants to apologise to Stephanie Mills
|by Anonymous||reply 475||November 13, 2022 2:34 AM|
Pattie LaBelle wasn't involved in the writing of either Lady Marmalade nor On My Own. She makes no money off those songs.
|by Anonymous||reply 476||November 13, 2022 9:36 AM|
[quote]Maybe it's because she has bill collectors crawling up her skinny, deadbeat ass wanting to be paid. She blew through the old white dude's money 20 years ago.
Anything is possible. I don't know. I'm not privy to her finances but I don't think so. I can only recall one story of Ross being sued over non-payment of a bill. I believe it was over the painting linked below. Eventually, she had to pay. Other than that (and keeping household staff) I can't recall any other incident where Ross was accused of not paying her bills. Now Aretha... that was another story. Many of retail department stores (in addition to others) had to threaten and/or actually take her to court to get paid.
|by Anonymous||reply 477||November 13, 2022 10:45 AM|
I remember when "Take Me Higher" came out in 1995. Ross and Motown promoted the hell out of it, and it was DOA. One reviewer advised her for her next album, "Don't bother wasting time in the recording studio and just send us the photos of your fashion shoot." Ouch !
|by Anonymous||reply 478||November 14, 2022 8:52 AM|
Is there any worthwhile song in Eaten Alive besides CR ?
|by Anonymous||reply 479||November 14, 2022 8:54 AM|
Mary Wilson gives you her best Mariah Carey.
|by Anonymous||reply 480||November 14, 2022 9:22 AM|
"Take Me Higher" sounds more 1992 than 1995.
|by Anonymous||reply 481||November 14, 2022 9:22 AM|
Take me higher is so generic
|by Anonymous||reply 482||November 14, 2022 9:50 AM|
^I liked it.
|by Anonymous||reply 483||November 14, 2022 10:14 AM|
[quote]Mary Wilson gives you her best Mariah Carey.
Geez, that's awful, she's lucky some people actually paid to still come and hear her sing. This woman has no talent and no voice. No wonder Motown used professional backup singers for Diana on the album recordings.
|by Anonymous||reply 484||November 14, 2022 11:21 AM|
Take Me Higher on Letterman. It's a catchy pop song and Diana did a good job singing it. I like it!
|by Anonymous||reply 485||November 14, 2022 11:23 AM|
Oops, the link
|by Anonymous||reply 486||November 14, 2022 11:31 AM|
"If You're Not Gonna Love Me Right" did not come across well live.
|by Anonymous||reply 487||November 14, 2022 11:36 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 488||November 14, 2022 2:28 PM|
[quote]"If You're Not Gonna Love Me Right" did not come across well live.
I liked that one too. Beautiful background music while sipping afternoon cocktails on a beautiful day in Miami on the Hyatt Hotel terrace.
|by Anonymous||reply 489||November 14, 2022 2:39 PM|
After the album flopped in the US, a Motown exec said Ross thought this was going to be as big a seller as 'diana' from 1980, and 'Take Me Higher' would do even better than 'I'm Coming Out'. Boy was she wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||November 14, 2022 5:16 PM|
Take Me Higher and Every Day is a New Day are strong albums, with Diana updating her sound but the albums still have that classic Ross sound.
I Thought That We Were Still in Love from TMH is one of her best vocals.
|by Anonymous||reply 491||November 14, 2022 5:48 PM|
R491 = Tracee Ellis Ross
|by Anonymous||reply 492||November 14, 2022 6:12 PM|
I tell ya what would be good. One might go for it but Ross would fire anyone in her path who even thought of something so ridiculous...
A pairing of Beyonce & Ross (already a problem just over the billing)
However, Ross could surprise. I know I was shocked when she did a joint billing at Radio City Music Hall with Gladys Knight, Chaka Kahn, and Patti LaBelle
|by Anonymous||reply 493||November 14, 2022 6:21 PM|
R476 the featured album or singles artist still gets paid a royalty whether he/she/they wrote the song or not
|by Anonymous||reply 494||November 14, 2022 6:34 PM|
Endless Love was the #2 billboard single for 1981. It was #1 for 9 weeks
Bette Davis Eyes by Kim Carnes was the #1 single for 1981 with 9 weeks at #1 but somehow eclipsed Endless Love. Thankfully
|by Anonymous||reply 495||November 14, 2022 6:37 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 496||November 14, 2022 9:12 PM|
R490, a lot of Diana Ross hard core fans thought like Diana that Take Me Higher would be her return to US pop success, but while I like the title song, I thought it sounded a few years out of date back in 1995 and the rest of the songs, while some of them pretty good, were overall not top drawer material. If You're not Gonna Love Me right is perfect example. Decent enough album, nothing to be ashamed of, but not one of her best by any means though a few steps up from some of her 80s albums on RCA.
|by Anonymous||reply 497||November 15, 2022 2:09 AM|
Nobody from that generation of performers was having big pop hits in the mid-90's. Not Paul McCartney, not the Rolling Stones, not Dylan, not Patti or Gladys or Dionne or Bette or Cher or Tina.
You'd have to have been a special kind of delusional diehard to believe that Diana Ross, who proved herself wholly incapable of making a decent album since 1980, was suddenly going to be rolling in hits with the generic, boring, "Take Me Higher".
She enjoyed a highly respectable 20-year run of hits, but it was long over by 1995.
No shame in that, by the way. 20 years of hits is nothing to sneeze at, and all the god-awful material she put out since then didn't really tarnish what she did in her prime years, because hardly anybody paid attention to her (in the U.S.) after 1984. She might as well not have bothered recording anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 498||November 15, 2022 4:05 AM|
I must say I loved the Force behind the power album.
|by Anonymous||reply 499||November 15, 2022 4:40 AM|
She had some good 80s singles:
* Chain Reaction * Swept Away * Mirror Mirror (under rated) * Muscles * Pieces of Ice (if you're a true fan... haha)
The albums started sucking after that. I tried to like Workin Overtime and the later stuff.
But she continued and continues to put on amazing shows. Totally live singing. Band comprised of virtuoso musicians. Amazing energy.
There's a reason she's a living legend and a "Stahhh"
|by Anonymous||reply 500||November 15, 2022 5:06 AM|
I saw the Take Me Higher tour. Great show.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||November 15, 2022 5:53 AM|
[quote]Nobody from that generation of performers was having big pop hits in the mid-90's. Not Paul McCartney, not the Rolling Stones, not Dylan, not Patti or Gladys or Dionne or Bette or Cher or Tina.
Streisand did. In 1996 she scored her last top 10 hit on the Hot 100 Billboard Singles Chart with "I Finally Found Someone" - a duet with Bryan Adams. It peaked at # 8.
|by Anonymous||reply 502||November 15, 2022 9:31 AM|
Streisand needed a duet partner by that time to have a big singles hit. See also "Tell Him" with Celine Dion.
|by Anonymous||reply 503||November 15, 2022 10:46 AM|
"Tell Him" did not chart on the Hot 100 Singles as it was never released as a single in most of the US (only as a promotional single in some major markets).
Yet Streisand knew what to do when she dueted with Adams in 1996 and with Dion in 1997. She scored a Top 8 single with Adams, and a #1 album in 1997 with the promo single.
|by Anonymous||reply 504||November 15, 2022 4:25 PM|
[quote]Mirror Mirror (under rated)
Very much underrated indeed. Now, this was Ross vocals that surprised and impressed me!
|by Anonymous||reply 505||November 15, 2022 4:30 PM|
[quote]But she continued and continues to put on amazing shows. Totally live singing. Band comprised of virtuoso musicians. Amazing energy. There's a reason she's a living legend and a "Stahhh"
Miss Diana Ross... The Boss!
|by Anonymous||reply 506||November 15, 2022 4:47 PM|
Not sure why everyone is saying 'Mirror Mirror' was under-rated. It was very popular in 1982 when it was released as a single in America, reaching # 8 on the Hot 100, and #2 on the Soul / R&B chart. So her first two singles for RCA were top 10 hits. It certainly wasn't under-rated.
(The third single - 'Work That Body' - just nocked the Top 40, but that was probably because people were over the 'workout' singles with ONJ's massive hit "Physical".)
BTW - the reason Kim Carnes' "Bette Davis Eyes' knocked 'Endless Love' to #2 for 1981 (even though they both stayed at #1 for nine weeks) is because Carnes single was on the Hot 100 a few weeks longer than Ross / Richie's was. The longer the stay in the Hot 100, the 'more popular' it's considered at the end of the year.
|by Anonymous||reply 507||November 15, 2022 5:29 PM|
[quote] [R490], a lot of Diana Ross hard core fans thought like Diana that Take Me Higher would be her return to US pop success, but while I like the title song, I thought it sounded a few years out of date back in 1995 and the rest of the songs, while some of them pretty good, were overall not top drawer material.
"Take Me Higher" and "Everyday Is A New Day" were both solid albums but her time had long passed. By then, Whitney, Mariah, Toni Braxton, Deborah Cox and Vanessa Williams were the hitmakers and there was no room for Ross on urban radio playlists.
|by Anonymous||reply 508||November 15, 2022 10:59 PM|
Holy shit, that Stevie Wonder tribute by Diana was PAINFUL.
What did Stevie ever do to her to deserve so many sour notes?
I bet he wished he were deaf instead of blind that night.
|by Anonymous||reply 509||November 15, 2022 11:09 PM|
She was always an indifferent singer vocally. Pleasant, somewhat sweet voice with little depth or range. YMMV.
|by Anonymous||reply 510||November 15, 2022 11:30 PM|
Ross doing Mirror Mirror live on Carson. I guess she was trying to be a rocker chick. Small and compact as it was, she had a hella nice ass!
|by Anonymous||reply 511||November 16, 2022 12:00 AM|
"Nobody from that generation of performers was having big pop hits in the mid-90's. Not Paul McCartney, not the Rolling Stones, not Dylan, not Patti or Gladys or Dionne or Bette or Cher or Tina."
|by Anonymous||reply 512||November 16, 2022 12:22 AM|
[quote] Not sure why everyone is saying 'Mirror Mirror' was under-rated. It was very popular in 1982 when it was released as a single in America, reaching # 8 on the Hot 100, and #2 on the Soul / R&B char
Thta's good to know! But we're saying that because we either forgot about it or never knew about it, depending on age.
The Carson performance is great. She screws up the words, loses her place, but still gives it her all. She's a true "stahhh!"
|by Anonymous||reply 513||November 16, 2022 2:29 AM|
BTW who is the sexy rhythm guitar player in the Carson clip? He has a Tom Jones/Elvis quality
|by Anonymous||reply 514||November 16, 2022 2:35 AM|
I wonder who she bitched out after the performance?
"YOU MADE ME FORGET THE WORDS!!! YOU LOVE TO MAKE ME FORGET!! YOU LOVE IT!!!"
|by Anonymous||reply 515||November 16, 2022 2:56 AM|
You see she took that mic with her when she skipped iff stage. Ever hold one? They're heavy. SOMEbody got fucked up!
|by Anonymous||reply 516||November 16, 2022 3:08 AM|
"Mirror, Mirror" is a great, funky song that Diana did a pretty poor job of producing, which is probably why it didn't endure in the public's mind.
It's a song that should want to make people get up and dance, but it falls flat in that regard.
As the song's producer, she somehow managed to eliminate most of the funk from one of the funkiest songs she ever did. I think the legendary Miss Ross ego demanded that her vocals be emphasized above all else, when what it really could have used was a more up-front rhythm section.
Not saying she totally destroyed the track...it'd be hard to completely fuck up something that good...but she turned it into "funk lite". It worked for her at the time, and I certainly liked it a lot back then, but there's definitely something missing there, and that's what separates it from "Upside Down" and "The Boss"
|by Anonymous||reply 517||November 16, 2022 3:29 AM|
"Every Day..." was released later in the UK than the US. The real mistake was that EMI didn't remix the album in light of the more commercial Metro Mix of "Not Over You Yet," which took Diana Ross back into the UK Top 10. Ross' personal issues would still have got in the way of promotion but the album might have been a hit.
|by Anonymous||reply 518||November 16, 2022 8:01 AM|
[Quote] but she turned it into "funk lite".
And was rewarded with a big pop hit. See also: Madonna's first album.
|by Anonymous||reply 519||November 16, 2022 8:02 AM|
A big pop hit that the world has totally forgotten, unlike the hits from Madonna's album.
A funk song that nobody wanted to dance to, unlike the hits from Madonna's album.
|by Anonymous||reply 520||November 16, 2022 10:22 AM|
I liked Take Me Higher and also Not Over You Yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 521||November 16, 2022 11:04 AM|
[Quote] A funk song that nobody wanted to dance to
What nonsense. It not only went Top 15 on the Dance chart, it zoomed to #2 on the R&B chart. Plenty of people were moving to it.
I love how Diana Ross fucks up this early live performance of the song but saves it at the end by walking off and doing a diva turn to camera towards the end of the song. She is a mistress of the stage.
|by Anonymous||reply 522||November 16, 2022 11:24 AM|
Diana Ross was nominated for a Grammy yesterday for Best Traditional Pop Album for her Thank You album. She will be up against Norah Jones, Michael Buble, Kelly Clarkson and Pentatronix.
|by Anonymous||reply 523||November 16, 2022 12:41 PM|
It's rather a silly category as the album is a contemporary one, not "Traditional Pop."
|by Anonymous||reply 524||November 16, 2022 12:53 PM|
She won’t win.
|by Anonymous||reply 525||November 16, 2022 1:33 PM|
The new album has been rather a nonevent, which is deserved as it is not good.
|by Anonymous||reply 526||November 16, 2022 1:35 PM|
Was it categorized as Traditional Pop because it wasn’t marketable as a regular pop album?
|by Anonymous||reply 527||November 16, 2022 1:55 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 528||November 16, 2022 2:22 PM|
😝 forty years? That’s…telling.
Palms were greased I’m sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 529||November 16, 2022 3:13 PM|
The irony of your comment is that palms were greased back then... And Berry Gordy like to hold on to his $$$$, so no nods for Miss Ross.
|by Anonymous||reply 530||November 16, 2022 3:43 PM|
[quote]And Berry Gordy like to hold on to his $$$$, so no nods for Miss Ross.
I don't know if that's correct. Berry spent money where and when it was needed. In fact, it's said that one of the reasons that Ross lost the OSCAR for "Lady Sings The Blues" is because Berry was too obvious in paying out money all over Hollywood trying to buy Ross the award.
|by Anonymous||reply 531||November 16, 2022 3:47 PM|
Yes, and that hamfisted effort shows that Berry was not used to throwing money around in that capacity.
|by Anonymous||reply 532||November 16, 2022 3:52 PM|
[quote]It worked for her at the time, and I certainly liked it a lot back then, but there's definitely something missing there, and that's what separates it from "Upside Down" and "The Boss"
I disagree that Mirror Mirror not funky....... it's just that the rock guitar is very prominent so she was mixing Funk and Rock which is something Rick James was pioneering at the time (and Prince did more of later). You can hear the funk guitar better in the live Carson performance.
But it's ironic you'd compare it to Upside Down, since Diana is the one who remixed that album because she didn't like Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards (Chic)'s mix, and she with an engineer turned the final versions of Upside Down and I'm Coming Out into the songs we know and love today.
I also wouldn't really call The Boss "funk" it's more disco, albeit "good" disco as it is an Ashford & Simpson song.
|by Anonymous||reply 533||November 16, 2022 4:03 PM|
Diana made the right choices with the vocal takes she used for the "diana" album.
|by Anonymous||reply 534||November 16, 2022 4:07 PM|
Oh, the well with my PR and marketing and social media teams. I'll be open here for a moment.
I want to point out that Diane's been arrested twice, once for "extreme DUI" with jail time and once for assaulting an airport security officer. At Heathrow, for fuck's sake. I believe they have sorted out her meds in the intervening years but she NEVER has had that lollipop head screwed on completely straight.
And for the record, this iconic diva of pop, soul, disco and the Beyond was arrested just once, for a teeny little bit of ganja mistakenly left uningested in the limo ride to the airport.
What's this got to do with music? Nothing. But Diane is at the age when she needs to be thinking of heaven, not how to look good. Because that ship sailed and sunk a long time ago.
I don't like this variety I'm trying. Too speedy. I've ordered Damont and Cindi to deep-clean the pad all morning, that's how much energy I've got.
Shit. Dropped a roach. Gotta go.
|by Anonymous||reply 535||November 16, 2022 4:51 PM|
Flo Screws Up The Classics!
|by Anonymous||reply 536||November 16, 2022 5:05 PM|
Burt Bacharach still got paid...
|by Anonymous||reply 537||November 16, 2022 5:11 PM|
I love this Bacharach anecdote. The Supremes version of a Bacharach song was almost a single but ultimately cancelled. I think it was "What The World Needs Now Is Love."
|by Anonymous||reply 538||November 16, 2022 5:17 PM|
R538, I’ve read that as well. I like it just fine for a filler track on the Reflections LP, but not as a single. It is truly the epitome of a ‘cover,’ from the performance to the production.
|by Anonymous||reply 539||November 16, 2022 5:54 PM|
Her Grammy nominated album was so bad I couldn’t listen to it all the way through
|by Anonymous||reply 540||November 16, 2022 6:26 PM|
I think she recorded her vocals down the phone.
|by Anonymous||reply 541||November 16, 2022 6:30 PM|
I'd say it's sad but greed is just so greasy. And it shows. And in a fucking bedroom?
|by Anonymous||reply 542||November 16, 2022 7:12 PM|
So her last Grammy nomination was in 1982 for the God-awful single "Muscles", which was written and produced by the then -hot Michael Jackson. It was obviously more of a Grammy nod for him then her.
|by Anonymous||reply 543||November 16, 2022 10:16 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 544||November 16, 2022 10:36 PM|
Does anyone get along with her, besides her kids?
|by Anonymous||reply 545||November 18, 2022 3:36 PM|
COAT=CUNT OF ALL TIME.
|by Anonymous||reply 546||November 18, 2022 3:39 PM|
[quote]Does anyone get along with her, besides her kids?
|by Anonymous||reply 547||November 18, 2022 4:38 PM|
She used to be very good friends with Cher in the 70s and early 80s. As a matter of fact, she credited Cher with picking out the iconic photograph by Scavullo for her 1980 album cover 'diana' (she had proofs of all the photos he took, and Cher picked out that one - in her natural hair).
Not sure when their friendship cooled, but it did. Some say when Gene Simmons ditched Cher for Ross (or visa versa).
|by Anonymous||reply 548||November 19, 2022 12:48 AM|
I always thought her first solo album cover was iconic. Harry Langdon had only nice things to say about her.
|by Anonymous||reply 549||November 19, 2022 9:14 PM|
Sherri REALLY put in the good word for Ross!
Jump right to the 13:00 minute mark.
|by Anonymous||reply 550||November 20, 2022 9:38 AM|
R550 Diana did get an achievement award by the Grammys in 2012. At least she got that.
|by Anonymous||reply 551||November 20, 2022 11:02 AM|
I sent an email message to the Grammy committee or whatever it is they call themselves - organization? Anyway, in this message I conveyed her dedication and all of Ross' contributions to the music industry, her length of career and icon status, and her songs themselves. I was polite and respectful - I made sure to set that tone. I'd have to sit down and think about it, but in addition to those others I did, in fact, state the following: "It is a travesty that this woman has not one Grammy award to her credit while others like Britney Spears have several. Honestly, based on this fact alone, I find it hard to take your organization seriously."
Ross received her Lifetime Achievement Grammy on the very next Grammy Awards presentation. True story.
|by Anonymous||reply 552||November 20, 2022 2:08 PM|
[R551] Unfortunately, Ross' big lifetime achievement award was overshadowed by Whitney Houston's tragic death the night before. No one was paying attention to Ross.
|by Anonymous||reply 553||November 20, 2022 5:07 PM|
Not only that, but they denied her a segment on the main telecast and opted to give her the Grammy during the bullshit day before dinner where they give out other Grammys for less prestigious categories. You can lead a horse to water....
|by Anonymous||reply 554||November 20, 2022 5:25 PM|
Oh well. This is plenty a rewarding award for her...
|by Anonymous||reply 555||November 20, 2022 5:29 PM|
[quote]Really? Some of that performance is embarrassing. "Maniac"? No, thanks.
Mmph... well, I'm always rather impressed by her dancing abilities. I think that "The Wiz" is an awful film and can't understand why it is now cult status and popular among young people, but I'm transfixed by Ross's dancing capabilities in that film.
|by Anonymous||reply 556||December 5, 2022 11:54 AM|
The low-class are in their element ever since Smokey Robinson did a recent interview finally confirming that he and Diana Ross fucked--surprise, surprise... (yawn). Catch all of the shade. Start at the 3:50 mark.
|by Anonymous||reply 557||January 19, 2023 9:14 PM|
They were barely out of their teens. She shoulda known better and I’m sure he knew better, but they kept that secret pretty safe all this time. I don’t think either one identifies as ‘Saint.”
|by Anonymous||reply 558||January 19, 2023 10:34 PM|
I recently streamed on TV Ross’s first solo Television special from 1971 on ABC, “Diana.” What made her at that time special included how charismatic, well-spoken, sexy, beautiful and light years away from her Supremes years and image she seemed to have become. Because in the ‘60s Motown had molded her to be made up, coiffed, dressed, and stuck with so many showtunes as if she were middle-aged, after 1970 she dressed, looked and acted younger, sexier and cooler than ever before. Now she had the fortune of having proven herself an adult-world talent who was now as a single broadening that appeal to a new younger fans generation. It was a great special and it was a whole new youthful and more vibrant Diana and her evolving ‘70s-era talent to enjoy now.
|by Anonymous||reply 559||January 20, 2023 5:49 AM|
Diana is treacherous and phony and a narcissist. Plenty of damage done in her wake. If she’s suffering at all in her dotage, it’s well deserved!
|by Anonymous||reply 560||January 20, 2023 4:55 PM|
[quote]Diana is treacherous and phony and a narcissist. Plenty of damage done in her wake. If she’s suffering at all in her dotage, it’s well deserved!
Oh please... Now, just go and sit your greasy, heifer ass, down somewhere or find some dusty, nasty, stage to roll all over. Oh! You used the word "dotage" and so that can't be you...
DIONNE! Don't You have a room that still needs cleaning???
This kid in the link has just done for Diana Ross what Kim Carnes did for Bette Davis when she sang and recorded "Bette Davis Eyes".
|by Anonymous||reply 561||January 20, 2023 9:15 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 562||January 20, 2023 9:22 PM|
All I can say is how many singers who had a major hit 40 years ago have younger fans into their music ? And more importantly celebrating it like the dude wacking to " I 'm Coming Out"
Ms. Diana Ross is Eternal ...... Ms. Diana Ross is Forever ..........
|by Anonymous||reply 563||January 23, 2023 5:40 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 564||January 23, 2023 7:06 AM|
[quote]All I can say is how many singers who had a major hit 40 years ago have younger fans into their music ? And more importantly celebrating it like the dude wacking to " I 'm Coming Out" Ms. Diana Ross is Eternal ...... Ms. Diana Ross is Forever ..........
I hope that Ross has seen this. Her children and grandchildren are of the ages that they would follow this program and hopefully bring it to her attention. It has definitely gone viral. Even Niles Rogers has made his comments on it via his twitter page which he manages all by himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 565||January 23, 2023 7:35 AM|