REVENGE Part 12 - Tell All Books, Scandals and Royal Gossip

The Obsession with buying awards is really odd. Why is it so important to them?

It's a very common please-the-client tactic by agencies. Total ego pleaser, if you don't look too closely.

They have to buy awards. Where would get one for free or for real merit or accomplishment. Sexy burger flipping, suitcase girling it, groundbreaking drama in Suits, Nazi cosplay, faking polo wins, embracing your little Pali friend, aligning with Greta(oh wait that was a hoax), the pages & pages of lies, abusing staff, having your tutor take your finals cause you couldn't pass, dumping your too fat dad, ignoring him when old & ill, the list goes on & on. Yup !

Yeah, loads of real important accomplishments.

Bet the award was set up by Sunshine Sachs months ago, before they parted ways with the Sussexes. I doubt that there will be more cheesy "awards" in their future, and the whole "humanitarian" thing is a failed PR strategy that's totally failed to make them famous and popular.

These things are also an excuse to hit the fashion pages in formal wear, but since Meghan's looks are universally panned, they might as well drop the whole pretense.

More crazy looney posts referencing Sunshine Sachs.

Wonder if Mandela's grandson will champion them getting an award for best lie, ever!

Is it too soon in the thread for me to mention the Sussecies by name and to post just a general notice of contempt for them?

I don't want to upset the script here.

[quote]dumping your too fat dad, ignoring him when old & ill, the list goes on & on.

I'd like to add: refusing to visit your 96-year-old grandmother when invited, and then on the day of her death, arguing with your father on the phone about bringing along your harpy wife.

Just reddit but I keep hearing more and more about the Harkles' money troubles -- how DO you go from arriving in a convoy of security, private jets, many thousands spent on stupid dresses (literally in her case, etc., to pinching every penny? Can Meghan get an Elon Musk or some such to take up the slack?

"Money troubles are severe… I’ve heard that money is their #1 concern right now. The titles for the children are wrapped up in it, and the more Charles holds back with those titles, the more marital discord there is. Meghan tantrums and screams at Harry for Charles’s not enobling the children. The word is that Charles apparently told them both to “get on with it” regarding their threats of releasing all this dirt…"

Hard to imagine why they didn’t just pay $5M cash for a modest house and then keep a super low profile.

Or, not that hard to imagine when you consider the breathless arrogance attached to pretty much everything they've done since they bolted.

Netflix has now pushed back the release of the Sussexes’ documentary to next year. This comes on the heels of rumors that Meghan and Harry wanted to re-edit/tone down the footage.

I predict a strong blowback against Netflix for this season of the Crown. You don't diss a woman who was respected worldwide for a lifetime of service to her nation and the Commonwealth, as well as being admired in other countries, and expect people to not say "enough!" I, for one, won't watch it. It's drivel.

From link at R12

[quote]Netflix said Monday that ”there’s never been any documentary from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex confirmed.” Deadline has reached out to Archewell for comment.

Interesting. This may be their way out of the whole thing. Maybe no contracts were ever signed? But, didn't they give a boatload of money to H and M?

R14, that line caught my eye, too. It casts a bit of doubt on the notion that they ever gave mega-millions to Harry and Meghan.

r9 Good on Charles! He is showing he wont be blackmailed and that he does not fear their allegations.As a brit I am pretty relieved that our head of state is not the type to give in to blackmail.

r2 You make a good point but I guess what I really meant was why the desire and craving for awards per se full stop? I dont obsess over whether or not I get awards.It is really emotionally unhealthy of them to be craving them so much especially when they in truth are awards for nothing.

R1 It gives them cover for bailing out of their commitment to the Queen and the monarchy after two years of marriage and her doing 78 days' work all told. They think it makes them look like people who bailed so they could be humanitarian giants, when what they really wanted was lots more money and bigger houses and less drudgery than being a real working royal got them.

They think it hides their greed, pathological envy of William and Kate, and covers up the shitty way they treat people.

The way she treats the staff and Harry is willing to treat the oppressed UK taxpayers.

The Deadline article was just posted on the Page Six thread, too.

As said there, if this, Hey, we never said we were really doing it! is a preliminary step to shelving it entirely, it's a serious financial setback for the Harkles.

I don't doubt they don't have as much money as they'd like in liquid assets, anyway, but I'd be cautious about anything on Reddit, R9. There's a few people there claiming knowledge that they really don't have.

The bit about the kids' titles being tied up with their financial issues is pure bullshit.

They have nothing to trade for those titles. On that issue, as George Costanza might put it, the Sussexes have no "hand".

They have nothing to offer Charles. He doesn't need anything they have, including keeping their mouths shut, because, for starters, they have shown themselves unable to keep to an agreement.

He's not going to trade royal titles for money, and even if he might consider it, that cheque would have to be something that won't evaporate in lawsuits and designer clothes. Possibly for trust funds for the kids instead of titles, but that doesn't help the Sussexes with they're NOW lifestyle.

As it is, Harry and Meghan have sold their souls to the devil for filthy lucre despite its depictions of Charles and his family. Charles' anger may only be imagined, never mind William's.

If Netflix is running scared after the flack from S5 of The Crown, and/or what is unsalvageable product from the talentless Sussexes, it doesn't bode well for the Sussex's delusions of grandeur.

But if they want money from Charles, the titles will have nothing to do with those negotiations. Not least because the Sussex's may promise to keep their mouths shut and stop trashing the family, but their friends don't have to: cue Omid, Oprah, Gayle, and Chris Ship and some of the other people carrying the Sussex water in increasingly leaky buckets.

^*their (not they're) NOW lifestyle

Before I get Oh, deared.

Note to the bucket carriers..In case you wondering what that smell is on your shoes & socks. Take a peek int those buckets. Got it, yet? its not water.And it will be hard to get that stench off you.

Lie down with dogs.

R18, there’s also a proven track record: Charles gave them millions of dollars when they left, and they still maligned the family and falsely claim that they’d been completely cut off. They can’t be trusted.

Wasn’t the original Netflix proposal a documentary about the Invictus Games? So *technically* not about Harry and Megs but they will feature heavily in it.

She made that big uncalled-for intro to Harry at Invictus. Then got pissed about something and left the country before the event unfolded. That's our girl.

Anyway, like Pearl, I bet Netflix decided the IG show would be too boring, so maybe they pushed them for some up-close and personal stuff from the Jubilee and even funeral - thus all the recording devices - and we know how that turned out. Same thing happened with the first version of his autobiography - too dull so had to be reworked.

These people are the new box-office poison. And everyone associated with them is tainted. LEAVE, HARRY! You have an out -- for now. She's unredeemable and Hollywood probably deserves her, lurking around the Real Housewives or some other reality show, so we can point and laugh.

Courtiers update: get it! It's a well written, interesting book. Far less salacious than you'd expect based on the serialization... but even the less scandalous parts are interesting and well told. Many interesting bits but overall you realize how wildly inaccurate The Crown is and I'm left wondering why the writer chose to jazz it up when the real story could have been just as interesting. For example, Margaret and Townsend: Low writes the real opposition was most intense from within government, followed by Lascelles (who was not the snake the script made him, though no teddy bear either.) Churchill was initially supported but changed his mind after Lady Churchill objected strongly (Low fails to elaborate as to why.). Martin Charteris was an intelligent, wise and very funny man who was in some way in love with the Queen and devoted to his job for decades. Charteris was descended from aristocracy... at least one duke for a grandfather. It is a very engaging book. Much smarter than Tina Brown's.

r23 I think Harry is irredeemable too.He has behaved very badly.

R25 Lady Churchill, having gone through the abdication in 1936, wasn’t interested in the upheaval of something similar while her husband was PM in 1952.

Ah, that's the word, irredeemable (that I got wrong in my post at R23.

I think if he made a quick get-away he could get away with it - because Charles and all the future damage that could be done with this shit coming out with Harry's name on it.

But does Harry have the courage to throw himself on the mercy of his countrymen? Probably not. Especially whatever's coming is really nasty. It's hard to imagine him doing anything... maybe that game reserve in Africa?

If Harry had left the royal family for his that game preserve in Africa, and he'd been willing to do work at it instead of sitting around the lodge being bored... then it might have made him into the man he wanted to be. And if Meghan had been willing to go with him, and put Harry's work and the spectacular animals on social media, then she'd have some fucking content and might have had the social media success she wanted all along!

Moving to California was the worst thing they could have done.

I actually feel sorry for Charles. He has lost both of his parents in the past year or so, he’s just started a new job many years after retirement age, and he has this pair of cunts to deal with.

I hope he says to them, you burnt your boat, deal with it. People are tired of hearing about how difficult Meghan’s 18 months as a working member of the Royal Family was. Nobody cares about their lies, we can all see them for what they are.

Yeah I think it’s time for Charles to essentially throw up his hands and say to them, do your worst. There’ll be a kerfuffle or two on Twitter, then everyone will move on to the next thing and they’ll be left stewing in their own juices.

I remind you, Harry, that I could write a book about you.

R22 No, the IG documentary was just one project of several that they were supposed to do for Netflix. One of the others was Meghan's brainchild "Pearl", which got axed. That huge contract was not just for those two projects.

That's what that moronic tour of NYC was about: content for the next programme. That's what that even more embarrassing stunt at the UN was, as well.

Ditto the also embarrassing polo shit, in which Meghan climbed onto the podium and grabbed the winning trophy even though Harry's team lost the match (shades of the child Meghan snatched hing the crown off the head of the actual birthday girl and put it on her own head).

It must have become obvious to Netflix after seeing Harry glower through the IG that the show would hardly set the ratings on fire.

After promising "epic programming", Netflix found out swiftly that the only things epic about the Sussexes were their lack of talent, their narcissism, and their unlikeability quotient.

Ok, so where’s the Invictus Games documentary then? There should be no problem releasing it, it has nothing to do with their issues with the BRF. Whether anyone wants to watch it however…

Now Page Six is saying the docu will be released, as scheduled, this December. What is going on?

I have a lot to learn about Charles' personality (he's blunt, eccentric, funny? - like dear old dad?) His possible giving up on the Harkles and daring them to just get on with it. And this from the NYT:

"Embattled, Ms. Truss raged against the “anti-growth” coalition, opponents of her supposed revitalization of the British economy through tax cuts. It is a remarkably capacious coalition, with room for King Charles III (who last week greeted her with the chilling words “Back again. Dear, oh, dear”)"

R34, when stuff is getting public that contradicts what just got out, it means behind the scenes there's chaos and nobody knows what is going on. Small people are getting off on leaking things. The big players are finding out they're only good at their jobs when times are good. If the thing was going ahead, following on yesterday, Netflix would have made a controlled, official, public announcement in a formal way. It wouldn't be on one day and off the next according to sources.

This is basically Liz Truss only with the dimwits and flailing, failing Netflix. You wonder if the sources say about the delay was an attempt by someone fearing backlash against their interests to take advantage of the backlash about The Crown and force Netflix's hand by announcing the delay. Which if it is a solid theory didn't work because a day later it may or may not be full steam ahead.

Netflix is in a tough spot overall. They are losing subscribers. Shenanigans like this (and the backlash against The Crown) has potential to impact the brand and confidence in the management team. This is pretty high stakes.

One constant: it's always drama with these two.

[quote]Meghan climbed onto the podium and grabbed the winning trophy even though Harry's team lost the match

Is there video of that? That would qualify as epic programming.

There's a video and it was epic. She sashayed up to the "stage" (a rolling platform pulled by a tractor) to present the trophy that actually wasn't theirs. Los Padres, Harry and Nacho's team actually lost the match and they received consolation prizes -- some expensive cigars. One of the young players was holding his box when Meghan grabbed it and tried to pull it away. I kid you not. A mini tug-of-war ensued.🤭 The player managed to keep the box. Los Padres did lift the trophy (that wasn't theirs) as Meghan got pushed to the background. She's peering out through the players uplifted arms. Mind you, she didn't break that maniacal grin of hers as the events unfolded.

I'm not sure if this clip has all the action.

^^^i can totally see them all going back the Montecito Palace for a team gangbang. Harry into it most of all.

R33 I have no idea where or when the IG documentary is scheduled to appear. There was some talk that the "other" documentary might be folded into it, but no one really knows what the fuck is going on.

The contradictory stories, however, aren't particularly good PR either for Netflix or the Sussexes.

Maybe Harry put his lawyers onto Netflix and threatened breach of contract if the reality show didn't get aired. I find it difficult to believe Netflix isn't experienced enough not to have given itself an EXIT clause if programming wasn't up to snuff for them.

But I suppose it's possible that if that were the case, the Sussexes should have been notified much earlier.

I dunno. As always with these two, it's just a hot mess.

And here is an utterly priceless review by Hilary Rose of Meghan's latest podcast, deconstructing the word "bimbo" with Paris Hilton.

Here is the latest from PageSix, and it isn't actually a confirmation from Netflix, but an "industry insider" who says that "as far as I know" the reality show is still scheduled to air in December.

But the confirmation is NOT from Netflix, which is still keeping shtum on the topic.

Believe what you will.

I keep thinking each podcast is the nadir, then comes the next one. It's so fatuous that it can hardly be parodied.

Paris Hilton?

Did Smeg get Paris to fawn all over her and say how awesome she is? That is a condition Smeg has for anyone appearing on her podcast.

More millennial blasts from the past. Since when has Paris Hilton been relevant? Does Meghan think it's 2004?

Paris Hilton is as starved for attention as the failed Duchess.

You never heard Carol Merrill moaning about her lot in life.

Her shitcast is getting less and less attention.

I invite anyone who ever thought this creature was attractive to exhibit A at r42.

R49, I agree. The last one barely got mentioned in the press (and for the life of me I can't remember what it was about!) and this latest one is getting even less attention. What happened to the big billboard in Times Square and the huge massive rollout. Seems now that Spotify is just putting them out to fulfill their end of the bargain, but damned if they're going to actually promote them.

Two rich bitches whingeing about how terribly hard it all is . . . again.

If Deadline is reporting their reality TV show is being postponed (shelved?) and Page Six is claiming it isn't, believe Deadline.

[quote] "Embattled, Ms. Truss raged against the “anti-growth” coalition, opponents of her supposed revitalization of the British economy through tax cuts. It is a remarkably capacious coalition, with room for King Charles III (who last week greeted her with the chilling words “Back again. Dear, oh, dear”)"

You guys are slipping. Just look at who escorts the Prime Minister in to see King Charles.

It's our favorite ... Major Johnny Thompson.

More about the dashing Major...

Hopefully Netflix bins their project. As much fun as it would be to snark over whatever mess they've created, it would be even sweeter if the whole deal embarrassingly collapses.

It's better to bin it. Waay too many people using the "take one for the team" excuse to hate watch. Nobody asked you to do that. Stop giving them clicks and numbers!

Say it again for the guy who thinks Sparkles is hawt -- look at R42, in the bright German sunshine, with no filters or retouching.

No, no -- it should NEVER ever be squelched! Dullness should "shine" itself for what it is -- boring.

Can you imagine the uprising, hate, and accusations from the so-called "Sussex squadies" from the racist accusations to the chants of "Meghan got Muzzled!" on social media if their content didn't get aired? Even though her podcasts are coming off as resounding, pedantic duds?

So whose oppression are we rallying against this week-- Paris Hilton!

In fairness, PageSix didn't "deny" that it was being shelved, it only reported that an industry "insider" said that as far as he knew, it was going ahead.

Netflix itself has not said a word, except in the PageSix Monday article in which Netflix averred that it had never confirmed that there was such a "documentary" (other than the IG one, which Netflix has averred was done).

Netflix's silence is either to keep the public off balance and surprise them with a really truly live show . . . or, its silence means that there are problems, at a minimum, and it's hedging it bets by saying nothing; or, as noted, it really has been shelved and Netflix just doesn't want to say so right now.

I mean, really, if Netflix had a glorious juicy reality show starring the Harkles lined up, and early December not that far off, why wouldn't they be trumpeting it now?!

Because they are wildly unpopular in the U.S.

Doesn't Paris Hilton have a documented past of saying racist things? Wonder if that came up in the podcast...

Gossip has always had it that Hilton is a die-hard racist. WTF, Meghan?

Paris was caught on video calling some black guys at a club the n word.

I did get it too r24. On Kindle UK the day it came out. Thanks for reminding me to change my info back to U.S. Amazon. I almost forgot!

And homophobic too!

Allegedly, Paris locked her dogs in the closet for days.

Meghan interviewing Paris Hilton, two fake bitches

Has Smeg interviewed anyone younger than she is?

R62 I thought America was the only place the Harkles had any popularity left? (except maybe the youngest British cohort?)

Quoting Charles, which would probably apply to Truss and Hazmat now -- back again? dear, oh dear...

I just picked up my copy of "Revenge" from my local library. I had put a hold on it when I knew it was coming out in the US and last week I got the notice I could pick it up.

Just out of curiosity, I did a check of all the local libraries in our system and lots of them had ordered a copy. One library requested 4 copies! Some others 2.

Almost all the copies have already been checked out.

And it's listed as a book allowing No renewals which seems to mean there are people waiting for it.

They're never been popular in the U.S. r71.

Hehe..

But wait! There's more!

Out of curiosity, I did a cursory look around the 'net to find the answer of Meg's popularity, US vs UK, and I liked this answer on Quora - by an international business consultant (Monique d'Aguilera)

"I do believe she is [more popular in the US]. Not that she is incredibly popular to the whole country but within the woke crowd she’s targeting at she is. In the huge audience the US is, (350 million people approx) the woke one is a rather little but loud one.

I have read many people in the US and they have no idea who she is. However, since she has embarked herself in all the popular bandwagons there are, add to that a very aggressive PR and voilà she has gathered enough attention to close profitable deals. Let’s not fool yourselves, whether you like her or not, you must see the obvious, this was all about seeking fame and fortune. That lady had eyes on the prize from day one. She’s a hustler of the first order, one must admit.

The UK is different. They had high expectations for Meghan, they saw her as a force for positive change, the vast majority welcomed her with open arms and now they feel betrayed. Of course, she’s not popular there. There’s not enough PR in the world to make her popular across the pond. The question is, does she really care? All she needs to keep is the royal title to open doors for her in America.

The UK served its purpose, so it was Markled."

The only thing these two knuckleheads have done successfully is to be so unappealing that no one wants to hear from them ever again.

Fuck off Monique Quora -- Megs is NOT a hustler of the first order, it was Harry's provenance that got them their "profitable deals" that they can't back up with any real talent or charisma.

I'd say hustling up a title is pretty big shit! Have YOU got one?

W O W so very mpressed double W O W

How ridiculous r76. Read comments sections on articles about her. Do better research.

River does an admirable job of mimicking Meghan and Harry in his review of the Bimbo podcast (parody in the first couple minutes)

How often is the word “bimbo” used these days? She seems to be stuck in a past decade. Maybe she’ll have Jessica Simpson on next.

At R54, who slammed that door?! Off with his head!

r83 she probably learned bimbo from the set of Married With Children which went off the air in the 90's so that's about right.

The (London) Times now says the documentary will air this December according to "friends of" Harry and Meghan. So, either all of this is just a ploy to drum up viewership - or - Netflix truly has delayed the documentary (maybe in hopes of quietly exiting the deal) and the Harkles are desperate for it to air and using any means to push the issue. Netflix should know the Harkles will not go away quietly. Netflix is going to have to pay them to go away or face litigation.

Oh please. The Harkles are unhappy with the product and making sure everyone knows it. NF will be glad to see the back of them.

Cringe....I don't if I should laugh at her or cry for her!

[quote]an American woman meeting and marrying a handsome young prince beloved by all the world

Variety lost me at "beloved by all the world"

WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOUR CHILDREN? Why don't people ask her and Harry. That's all Harry has to talk about yet he seems to spend little time with them.

Meghan is grieving my ass

[quote]I'd say hustling up a title is pretty big shit! Have YOU got one?

Yeah, about that...

Why is she constantly giving interviews? About what? She doesn't do anything. So Variety just wanted some second-hand gossip about the Queen's funeral or what? So tacky.

Most disturbing takeaway: Meghan and Harry want to produce rom-coms.

This is the weirdest and most undeserved cover since Gretchen Moll.

Harry is lazy and Smegs just want to boss plus they are constant complainers, good luck to any actors who get involved with a project of theirs.

She is already starting to look like beef jerky, better use it up before it gets old

^^^^ oops that was for the Olivia Wilde thread but may be appropriate here too. LMAO

Quite appropriate.

There is so much great stuff in the new Variety article! She never wants to act again (read: no one is asking her to act again)! There IS a Netflix documentary...."even if it means it may not be the way we would have told it" (read: Netflix isn't playing along with Meghan's favorable edit of the series)! They're going to make rom-coms (read: setting meetings with the Hallmark channel)!

The pictures of her from this article alone will keep DLers typing madly for days. I'd say let's start a thread dedicated to the Variety article but it would be greyed out immediately. For now, I'm diving back into the article and studying it as seriously as a rabbi with the Talmud.

R88 when I first watched that I honestly thought it was that TicToker who so brilliantly impersonates Markle. But, nope, it's the real Meghan. No parody needed--she's a living parody.

That whole Variety article and pictures are like a real life MAD TV sketch

What an absolutely BRILLIANT move to wrest control of their PR from professionals. And, by that, I mean brilliant for us. What a merry gift in this troubled world!

I feared they'd learned their lesson and would keep their traps shut after the disastrous The Cut article and their exile from the Queen's deathbed. So glad to be proven wrong!

Bring it on, you thirsty bitch. Your outlandishly bad judgement is just what this weary world needs right now to lighten the fuck up.

Is there some way to access the Variety story without giving the Knuckleheads any clicks?

R93 "Why is she constantly giving interviews?"

Because global celebrity was the only thing she has EVER wanted. She HAS to keep herself out there, or the world will all too soon, and thankfully, forget about her.

She has to keep herself out there. Her "philanthropy" bores people, her opinions bore people, her hectoring and moralising bore people . . . all she's got is who she married and the family she married into.

So she has to keep mentioning it and pretending that it's not only that that is getting her the interviews. it's really HER.

This is her PR onslaught to blunt the shit that's coming out about her via Bower and Low and the UK papers.

She really should rot in hell for invoking the name of the woman whose last couple of years on earth Meghan turned into a fucking nightmare.

The no clicks for Meghan version of the Variety article.

R105 Exactly! And note how all her recent interviews have her desperately promoting her "fun" side?

Allow me to quote from source material: When Variety asks her to give advice to an actor who will play her 100 years from now: "I hope that in preparing for that role, she finds the softness and the playfulness and the laughter. The silliness."

I can't be bothered to look up The Cut article or her promos for her insipid podcast, but I remember her droning on about how few people know that she is super fun! Perhaps because she's not. Never has been. But she is smart enough to know that her relentless moralizing and preaching sure ain't working, so let's pivot to fun!

The first howler is at the beginning of the article. She became the "anti-Meghan" conspicuously attentive and grateful to each an every one of the crew on the shoot. Al of the negative feedback from the Reitman's commercial set really must have gotten under her skin.

[QUOTE]At the shoot, she couldn’t have been more at ease as she shook the hand of every crew member, stylist and photographer’s assistant.

Thanks, R106.

She really threw Liz Garbus under the bus. The new tack is that, YET AGAIN, the lens through which their “story” is being told is dictated by other people. Despite their multiple media deals, they just can’t get their TRUTH out there. People always thwarting these two.

I mean, don’t they have their own Archewell Production team to make the story they want to tell?

That pesky truth lens (i.e., legal department making sure Netflix doesn’t get sued) getting in the way.

She spent 18 months as a sorta member of the Royal family doing as little as possible. Is she going to make bank on that for the rest of her life? I can't figure out if she's the new Kim Kardashian or the new Monica Lewinsky.

Anyone else notice that her new gimmick is to try to get herself on a one name basis?

Duchess Meghan failed.

Madame Duchess failed.

Princess Meghan failed.

To be fair, she comes off better in Variety than she has recently--because Variety is doing a puff piece and maybe also because some PR person has finally gotten her to stay on a positive message.

But there's still plenty of lulz, not least that "Meghan was to be in the 2022 class of Variety’s Power of Women, ... to be feted for both philanthropic and creative work — including a podcast called “Archetypes."

Stop already, lady. You can't force people to like you or to see you as things you are not.

Enjoyed the the shading of the last piece. Means the backlash got to her.

Someone post the no doubt ridiculous photos.

Behold, Meghan Teresa.

She looks like an underinflated balloon.

"Meghan has been described as many things: disingenuous, calculating, determined, relatable, even Diana-like."

Really?

Diana wannabe, never Diana-like.

"And our definition of love is really expansive: Partner love, self-love, the love of community and family."

Expansive except for my dad and sister.

What she really meant at r122 is: "Our definition of love is superior to most people's."

I can't figure out what she's trying to promote herself to become. She's untalented as an actress so nobody in Hollywood is going to hire an over 40 actress who can't act and is only marginally attractive by Hollywood standards. She wants to be a producer? She wants to be an influencer? She wants to merch shit like Gwyneth Paltrow?

At age 40, she doesn't even seem to have a clue about what she wants to do with her life beyond being famous for having married a famous man. It's peculiar. She talks like a narcissistic teenager. I thought she was probably intelligent but she isn't.

I was a star. Now I'm a saint.

Daily Mail should just be re-named Daily Meghan. They had her waving her bare feet around as their main headline earlier. Gross.

I am always amazed at her hubris. She talks so much about love and compassion, yet there is the recent memory of her Oprah interview whist Philip was dying, and then Harry refusing to see his grandmother in the summer...then her father who is still struggling to recover from a stroke who has reached out numerous times. Plus the abuse heaped on young women staff at KP, and everyone at the Reitman's shoot. I don't understand why no one calls her out on the contradiction.

R125 she essentially wants to be universally adored, insanely rich, politically powerful without having to do any work. Like if you took the positive aspects of Amal, Michelle Obama, Bezos, Betty White and absolutely none of the negatives. It’s a very immature and unrealistic goal but dammit she deserves it!

Because she will never sit down with a real journalist who asks hard questions, R128.

Except she admits she made a mistake trusting the Cut interviewer, who let her hang herself with her own words.

I love all the comments that populated the article just moments after it was published: "You're beautiful" "I love you Meghan" "What a powerful woman". all only a couple words in length. She and Harry were up early making up fake names and pounding compliments into the comments section.

R88 so the ONLY reason Variety released that video is because they know Meghan is too blinded by vanity to realized they're humiliating her, right? The article was a total puff piece but the video....my God! No creative director would OK that unless they meant it as a send up. Honestly, I've never seen anything quite like it--accept in an SNL commercial parody.

I didn't read the New York profile which she is now criticizing. Anybody got it without the firewall?

R133, enjoy!

I subscribe to Variety and left a snarky comment. Which was not posted. So Variety's weeding out any negative comments and just letting her troll farm slobber all over her.

The Variety comments are sickly sycophantic.

R88 It’s Reitmans! Really!

My working theory is that Meg knows you've got to do more than the occasional charity appearance and running a "foundation" to be famous and adored, but Harry refuses to do anything else. He genuinely wants privacy, and really wants his kids to have the privacy he lacked as a famous child, so he somehow expects Meg to come up with millions from famewhoring even though he allows her nothing to work with.

And the only reason that he agreed to the Netflix documentary filming his private life, was that it was finally gotten through his thick head that they really needed the money. REALLY needed the money.

If you go to Twitter you'll see hundreds of negative comments. Very very few positive.

Fortunately, my government is imploding this evening, so Meghan's whingeing and folie de grandeur have been pushed down the front pages.

I guess her stealth whine confirms the Davis story in The Cut was snark (not our wishful interpretation of it) and Madame was pissed off.

The cut article was full of cuts to markle and it took awhile for dumbarton dumbass to figure it out. She is Stoooopid.

R98😂😂😂

I'm amazed at Harry's infinite stupidity in thinking that he would outwit and beat, BP, at the game they've been perfecting for almost a thousand years. The Variety article and those photos of an overly posed Meghan with that, fixed fucking creepy smile on her face, drives home the fact, that they NEED the documentary. At this point, shell be thinking about her own exit plan. Duke dumb ass, will be left holding his red raw balls all by his lonesome. I guess you could make this stuff up but, they've managed to form this fucked up narrative, almost all by themselves.

Whoopi Goldberg ain't having none of Meghan's shit today on The View.

Oh look. She didn't tell the truth. Again.

"Meghan recorded bombshell Variety interview in the weeks before the Queen died... then re-recorded it after monarch's death to pay tribute to her 'warmth' & 'leadership'

So ⁦ @MattDonnelly ⁩ you have the original. Release it. Let the public judge.

Someone said Meghan is an emotionally stunted person who still thinks it's the 90s and that she's daddy's special girl. I thought that was really spot on. I wonder what stunted her?

I can’t figure out the symbolism of the parachute backdrop. Is it a reference to What Color is Your Parachute? If so, is she looking for a new career?

Or are we to imagine that Markle is ready to soar into the universe and leap without a chute into a multifaceted, multidimensional new chapter in life filled with love and joy and family (well, maybe not her own — and maybe not Harry’s, if the apologies aren’t forthcoming) and sisterhood and creativity and the philanthropic space? Could it be that?

Or did the photographer just think it would be, you know, like, cool to have a parachute backdrop?

She's absolutely and completely full of shit.

Is this the thread for the Variety intv debrief? Have you looked at the comments - it says they are moderated. Do they moderate all the comments on all articles because I'm betting that that was part of the deal for the piece. We know that Harry becomes incensed by negative comments- and unless I"m mistaken even tried to sue the Daily M for the comments. There are so many glowing comments there praising her to the skies , (and yelling at people who don't like her) unlike the ones on the Cut. It could be me but it feels like she has enlisted her staff and team to do this for her. It's bizarre.

Yeah -it's manipulated. Someone upthread said they posted something snarky and it was deleted.

Also upthread it was mentioned that the Harkles - which. means just her - thinks they can produce romcoms. WTF? What in her background prepares her for that? And Harry?? They think they'll be Desilu Studios?

Now on the "influencer" thing - didn't she do that copycat Goop thing called Tig? Now I grugingly admit she has a background in that. Who knows how pathetic it was but many of those things are outlandishly stupid. Maybe she could do that, I don't know - it's stupendously amazing how many stupid people there are in this country who'd probably follow her on social media - promoting herself and some self-help shit - she could probably hire an assistant to research some ginger-root or turmeric properties for her to push and that sort of nonsense.

At least the Kardashians were sort of vaguely self-aware. This lunatic thinks she's Mother Theresa or Florence Nightingale (but without actually doing anything). But she'll fail at that too. Let's just point and laugh - she deserves it.

“You didn’t grow up pretty?”

“I grew up as the smart one.”

The problem is Markle thinks she’s above being a real housewife influencer and she’s really not. It’s exactly her level.

Meghan exists in her own special bubble where she's actually a kind, saintly, genius. I don't think anything can ever penetrate that bubble. No other feelings exist outside of that truth. It will be a lonely marriage for Harry.

Actually, I think I have Meghan figured out. She's desperate for the world to love her as much as her father did, because if it turns out she's not the world's smartest, most special, humanitarian genius like he said (even getting a friend at Nickelodeon in on it), then her entire self-identity is a lie.

I also think that's why she stopped talking to him. Right now she can blame the press for corrupting her father, but I don't think she can accept hearing him criticize her directly.

It would be hard to grow up thinking you had IT, only to find out in your 40s that it really was just parental bias and you're nothing remarkable. You'd think it would've happened sooner, but she was pretty sheltered. He paid for her college, got her the internship, then she had Trevor getting her jobs. Plus her siblings were trash and it was easy to believe she was special compared to them.

Its pretty sad, actually.

MM's abusive behaviour had been exposed long ago, via the director of the Reitman's shoot, tiaragate, and the bridesmaid fitting. What I don't understand is why she failed to pull her horns in then, and treated staff decently, especially as she had been warned by both Kate and TQ. In the VF article, it details how she was extra-courteous to everyone connected with the VF photo shoot, clearly in response to Bower's exposé. Too little, too late...

Also, on one hand I blame Thomas Markle for creating this monster, on the other hand I think the confidence he instilled in her is exactly why she managed to go from LA white trash to a Princess of the UK. I just don't think she ever had an eye-opener about the real world and her real abilities until she was on a global stage. It's like too much confidence made her naive and stupid, but if she'd gotten a taste of reality sooner, she also wouldn't be where she is now.

Her abusive treatment of staff would really have cemented the view that MM was trash in the eyes of the BRF, the senior courtiers, and the aristos. To them it would have shown that she had no class or even good instincts.

Too much self delusion.

r122 That initially vapid-sounding quote is quite a thing to sit alongside Charles's engagement interview quote "Whatever love means"

We know Meghan scrapes the very BOTTOM of the internet barrel of Lady Di photos in order to badly cosplay her dead mother-in-law, so why wouldn't she and harry scrape the bottom of the War of the Wales's media reporting barrel too?

Charles needs to jettison these two.

They're not just cringe, tacky and overplayed, there's something else about them - I don't know how quite to put this but I think they're some sort of bad juju. As in Actual Bad JuJu.

Neither one of them has any real talent, but unfortunately they've been given this world stage that they don't have the intelligence to gracefully exit. Fortunately it gives us a front row to watch them do, well, whatever it is they imagine themselves to be doing.

R161 Actually, what Charles said at that photocall engagement interview was, "Whatever IN LOVE means," accompanied by a smile that could only he called grim.

When asked later by her friends whatvDoana felt on hearing Charles virtually tell the world that he wasn't in love with her, Diana replied, "I thought, 'least said, soonest mended'."

Anyone who thinks Diana didn't know what she was doing and was just a naive kid, should put Charles's desperate bid for a last bit of bucking the fucking panto he'd gotten trapped in, and Diana's response side-by-side.

They outline the perfect storm ahead.

[quote]They're not just cringe, tacky and overplayed, there's something else about them - I don't know how quite to put this but I think they're some sort of bad juju. As in Actual Bad JuJu.

I totally agree. There is definitely something sinister about her and the BRF should take very precaution to protect themselves. Her issues are older and deeper than just her dealings with the BRF. Her eyes are MEAN and whatever rebranding her new PR is attempting won't last, she is not capable of playing nice for more than a split second. She is dangerous. She won't merely smear the reputation of her perceived enemy, she will not rest until she has DESTROYED the life of her perceived enemy.

Ginger brat is also damaged beyond repair. He is capable of anything and should be written off as a lost cause. I imagine Charles has treaded lightly with him due to fear of the brat taking his own life. Although at some point the weary families of highly destructive people have to opt to protect themselves and the rest of the family from danger and let the destructive one self-destruct.

Malignant narcissists never give up and they never give in. See also: tRump.

For me, the freakiest thing about listening to her is the total artifice - the phony words and facial expressions and even body movements, like the grippling claw on Harry and her guiding him about like he's an invalid. She doesn't know how to act like an authentic, natural person -- or maybe when she does, it's those screaming fights we hear about, like the night before the UN speech when he wouldn't fight enough for her to be up there on stage with him.

Which is to say, the veneer of pomposity or fakery - and the seething rage underneath, like what you're saying R164. Scary.

And even moreso, sad. Think of the children.

* gripping (or maybe I meant grappling)

Need covfefe.

Yes,R151, I noticed that too. Usually on DM, the comments about them are scathing. The duplicitous, dumb ass Dumbartons and their squad, are really trying to rework their image. 😂😂

I have a family member (step family) like Meghan.

The bad juju is right. The weirdness or whatever you want to call it is so deep you actually doubt your own perceptions at times.

Family member is so hate-filled, she can’t even carry on a normal conversation without injecting really cruel barbs from YEARS ago.

I talk to this person maybe once a year, and we’ll be doing the usual “how are your siblings, how’s the weather” chitchat and she’ll say out of the blue “remember [really painful thing] that happened to you thirty years ago? I was just thinking about that the other day.” It’s absolutely breathtaking. It happens like clockwork in every conversation, so it’s not an accident.

She’s also a kleptomaniac. She has stolen many things from me over the years. Then will make a big show of having the stolen items, as if daring you to call her on it. She stole some of my childhood DOLLS from our attic (!!!) and now has them prominently displayed in her bedroom. She is Baby Jane level crazy.

And this person had a pretty normal upbringing. Nice parents, middle class life, college paid for back in the 60s when that was rare. Huge house courtesy of an ex husband who was a dentist.

But absolutely seething, roiling hatred and rage that she THINKS she is concealing with a very thin veneer of sickly sweet bullshit. But I have always seen right through her since a very young age.

Anyway, back to Markle. I feel bad for her since she had a somewhat lonely childhood. But that would seem to lead to garden variety “my friend talks a little too much about herself, we just smile and deal with it” type of quirkiness.

I would be very curious to know what caused the sinister Markle pathology. Screaming at employees? Doesn’t she have ANY sense of shame / embarrassment? Though I guess it’s better that her rage is more overt so people can call her on it.

Variety quote “It’s really fun to go through the drive through (In-N-0ut Burger) and surprise them.” Never change Meg, always taking the time to give the fans a thrilling royal sighting.

I’m going to give Charles the benefit of the doubt here. I always took “whatever in love means“ as an awkward expression of the discomfort he felt with such a personal question. Remember, back then Royals were still treated with deference and remove, and did not get touchy-feely or share emotion with reporters and the public. This was the harbinger of all that Diana would inject into the royal family, for better or worse.

I’ll have a double double with animal fries.

Oh wait they're vegan? Despite her agreeing to a hunting trip excursion??

Anyway I suppose the SoCal In-N-Out would have vegan fare. But aren't you supporting a restaurant that makes most of its money off of slaughtered cows? And trans-fat fried potatoes.

I have a feeling I know which In-N-Out they are referring to. It is right off the 101 and practically has its own exit.

It is in a particularly trashy area (Camarillo) and I guarantee the trashy people who work there don’t know / don’t care who these people are.

They need to worry more about getting food poisoning. The few times I have stopped for food in that area, the food is always “off,” no matter where you go.

I wonder if the BRF increased security around their personal living quarters after Meggy Sharp gifted Catherine a knife.

Well, Harry may have to apply for a job at In-N-Out.

What "humanitarian" act has Meghan ever done? Not counting just photo-ops. What action did she ever take that benefitted other people?

Leaving the royal family.

Remember those uplifting messages on bananas she gave out to street-walkers?

H. G. Tudor calls her a bananatarian.

R168, I think you need to grow a pair. Let her have both barrels when she takes you on a bad trip down Memory Lane. Oh, and go get your fucking dolls back.

Charles started out calling her Tungsten. I wonder what he calls her now?

Imagine you woke up one day and you magically had the money to do anything you wanted.

What would you do?

Two huge problems right in the Sussexes’ own backyard are (1) lack of affordable housing and (2) lack of childcare.

Now, I have no doubt trying to solve these problems would be incredibly frustrating. The locals don’t want housing— they’ll dress it up as a water or school capacity issue, but it’s really because housing scarcity is the only thing keeping their 1970s shitbox worth 1.5M.

But maybe Sussex involvement /spotlight could shame some local politicians into taking the problem seriously.

I wonder why Charles called her Tungsten. He doesn’t seem one to hand out nicknames.

I bet… there’s a story there.

R182, Tungsten is an extremely tough, hard metal.. Maybe that's the clue to the use of the name.

Well, yes, r43. But that doesn’t tell us much about the events leading to Charles’s choosing that nickname.

[quote] Tungsten is an extremely tough, hard metal..

But Tungsten is surprisingly brittle. And cannot be relied upon consistently.

S/b r183

[quote] Also upthread it was mentioned that the Harkles - which. means just her - thinks they can produce romcoms. WTF? What in her background prepares her for that? And Harry?? They think they'll be Desilu Studios?

They haven’t produced a single goddamn thing on two years, except a string of podcasts (thanks to a staff of 28).

Waaaaay back when, Harry was taking classes in film production, so I think that was always part of the plan. They were going to be media moguls, a Power Couple.

The producer who Meghan praised and then threw under the bus - Liz Garbus - is an actual producer. She has several projects from 2022 listed in IMDb. This is what actual producers DO; they PRODUCE.

it’s a pipe dream

She doled out snacks in Uvalde!!! She can never do enough to please you people!!!!

This is as good as it gets for Hapless Harry and Meghan No Talent.

[QUOTE]But within 24 hours of the Germany trip Her Majesty had died and Variety writer Matt Donnelly revealed that the Duchess of Sussex then agreed to 'sit again for a lengthy discussion about her road to the present'. He wrote: 'She worries that any comments about the Queen or her in-laws will be “a distraction” from continued mourning, but presses on to celebrate the icon'.

I didn't notice until now that the interviewer is a male. How not surprising. Is he really undiscerning and easily charmed or did he go there with strict instructions from Variety to be as benign as possible. I wonder if he received a gift basket with Lili's homemade jam and assorted vegetables from Palacio Prefabricado's gardens and orchards.

r182, My best guess is, Charles thinks she talks too much, so it's a mashup of "tongue" and "Meghan" (with an "s" thrown in, so it sounds like the actual word, "tungsten").

That video and photos actually made me cringe in embarrassment. I don't know if it's the photographer's vision or MM actually sees herself as the photos portray her...waiflike, ethereal, playful, innocent, etc..

In Meghan’s head, she will always be a 22 year old skank. That’s why she’s still such an attention seeker. She can’t progress past the “look at me!” stage people go through in their early 20s.

In older photos of Markle, I noticed she has what I call the “universal skank” facial expression.

It’s hard to describe, but it’s sort of a wide-eyed, slightly started, but with lips pursed and mouth slightly open as if to be ready to suck a duck at any moment.

She doesn’t seem to use that facial expression any more.

[quote] That video and photos actually made me cringe in embarrassment. I don't know if it's the photographer's vision or MM actually sees herself as the photos portray her...waiflike, ethereal, playful, innocent, etc..

Someone likened it to the Tootsie photoshoots. Markle clearly cosplaying....Bwahahahaha

Is the Better Up CEO some trust fund kid? He oozes douchebro rich kid entitlement.

Is it just me or are Meghan's toes dirty in this shot?

Elle magazine just had a big event, huuuuge, called Women in Hollywood. Guess who wasn’t there.

She wasn’t part of the last big dinner either, Variety’s Power of Women event, held on Sept 29. Didn’t she claim in the recent Variety interview that she was invited but still in mourning? Official mourning after the funeral ended on Sept 26.

Last week, the Academy of Motion Pictures etc etc Museum had an even BIGGER gala, set to rival the Met Gala. A+ list. Tilda, the Clooneys, Glenn Close, Julia Roberts, everyone. Except Megs.

If I was a celebrity I would avoid those two. Harry is an out of touch boring dim bulb and she is such an obvious social climber. Plus they have proven they can't be trusted to keep any secrets.

Still puzzled as to why Markle was featured in Variety?

Isn’t it a trade publication? She did not talk much about her Netflix Reality Show: only to really throw Liz Garbus under the bus.

What was the reason for the photoshoot? To just provide Markle more, more, more of what she wants? (aka attention, even if she looks like an absolute SNL parody in the process)

r199 - In a recent Spectator UK article, Perez Hilton claimed that the Harkles aren't getting invitations to Hollywood/entertainment industry events because hosts are concerned the couple will become the focal point of the event. Hilton went as far as saying one prospective host said there are concerns about "what's said in the room stays in the room. " Make what you will of it.

R170 I've seen the footage several times. He wasn't uncomfortable, he was angry. It was a natural question even in 1981. What was uncomfortable for Charles was that he knew he wasn't.

And whilst the deference may have been stronger in 1981 than it is now, it WAS 1981 and quite a bit of slander and rough press had come the family's way, not least via Princess Margaret since her sister came to the throne in 1952.

It was a revelatory moment, and anyone looking at it can see the malice behind Charles' eyes. Only a woman desperate to close the deal would have not said a word to the man who said it. It was one of many red flags hanging over the union from the start.

I always took Charles’s quote to be a comment on “loving” someone vs the feeling of being “in love,” which is more like giddy infatuation.

But he still shouldn’t have said it.

You spelled Biden wrong r164. FIFY.

R181, those two aren't interested in solving nitty-gritty real-world problems like a local lack of low-income housing, they just want to be *seen* as solving real-world problems! Real-world problems that are bigger and more glamorous than that, like climate change! That's a sexy issue, right?

Those two are "all talk and no action" to their bones. Harry was raised to think that making appearances for charities he didn't give a rat's ass about was "work", and of course nothing means anything to Meghan except as a means to wealth and fame. So good luck to any publicist who thinks they're going to try to make those two look caring and involved, because they aren't caring or involved and are crap at faking either.

"For me, the freakiest thing about listening to her is the total artifice - the phony words and facial expressions and even body movements"

I think she's one of those people who's almost entirely made up of ambitions. She wants to be famous, successful, and wealthy with her entire being, and will do anything to make it happen, but she doesn't have any passion for the kind of work that would make her as successful as she wants to be. There's no passion for writing songs or delving deep into the characters she plays, or for writing or directing stories or anything... she wants the end result but not the work that will get her there.

And Harry, of course, doesn't have much underneath except anger and stupidity. No ambition there, just a spoiled child angry that it isn't *more* spoiled.

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^^^ She didn’t even have a speaking part. How the hell was she allowed to marry Harry?

That's what I want to.know r208.

What do you think would have happened if the Queen had told Harry that he couldn't marry the woman he loved, R208? He'd have left the BRF two years earlier, married her anyway, and the whole world would have slammed the queen and called for her to abdicate.

Sometimes there's nothing to do but smile and wait for the divorce.

Certainly nothing like you just described r210. Let them marry and scurry off. Who TF would have cared?

r210 I think it would have been reasonable for the Queen to say you can marry and have the big wedding with all the trimmings if you wait a year to get to know each other better so that you feel sure you are making the right decision-I mean they did not know each other that well or for that long when the engagement was announced .Then she could say if you want to still marry now and not wait a year you have my permission but no big expensive wedding.

r210 I think it would have been reasonable for the Queen to say you can marry and have the big wedding with all the trimmings if you wait a year to get to know each other better so that you feel sure you are making the right decision-I mean they did not know each other that well or for that long when the engagement was announced .Then she could say if you want to still marry now and not wait a year you have my permission but no big expensive wedding.

They knew Smeg would cry racism and had no choice. Smeg doesn't give a fuck who she harms or uses so long as she gets her way. She is trash.

r214 But William and Kate waited nearly a decade and I bet if they had asked to marry less than two years in she would have said yes if you wait a bit longer?

There was no legal justifiable reason for Her Majesty to impede the marriage. If there was the government would have advised Her Majesty. As a grandmother she could perhaps offer advice, but would Harry have listened? As well, it was Charles, Harry's FATHER, that bears responsibility for advising his son as best as he could, but would have Harry listened? The only one that we know of that had the chutzpah to advise Harry was his brother William, and we certainly know that Harry's response was a big F***-You. I expect that both The Queen and Charles & Camilla could smell Meghan's grifting and turned to William to try to reason with Harry, but Harry's basically an asshole.

Didn’t they use the money from Netflix to produce the documentary? The money is used to hire a production staff that creates the film or series. Are they out of that money if Netflix doesn’t buy it? Can they sell it somewhere else?

If MI-5 had dug up some really bad dirt on MM, the BRF could have said to Harry that he could marry her, but they could not have her representing the BRF.

Big thing I took from that Variety interview is she drinks wine in bed like a sad addict. She's trying to relate to middle class mothers, but I doubt they booze in bed.

The Queen throughout her life had a horror of interfering in her relatives' lives by pulling rank. Given that everyone in the family knew of Harry's problems, they were probably right in not expecting a year of living together to change anything. I think everyone, including the Queen, realised that it was in for a penny, in for a pound, and crossed their fingers and hoped it would turn out better than it looked.

Call it fate, call it doom, call it what you like.

The Queen would never have stopped the marriage.

Advisors to the Queen during the Townsend affair later said that the only time they ever saw the Queen lose control of herself and exhibit something like hysteria was when the subject of her sister came up.

I do think she could have done better with Charles and Diana - not stopping the marriage once Charles made up his mind, but earlier in the relationship, urging him to take all the time he needed and not to marry Diana if he didn't feel truly happy about it.

Which is different from refusing permission.

Queen Mary once said of her children, 'I have always to remember that their father is also their King."

QEII wanted very much NOT to repeat that sort of familial relationship between her and her relatives.

That's why she tried to leave steering the family to Philip: so as not to be caught in that uncomfortable place.

But, on occasion, it seems now she went too far and could have taken a stronger line so that at least she was on record inside the family as having tried to head off disaster.

I guess she’s trying to be relatable to Wine Moms, R219.

[quote]Advisors to the Queen during the Townsend affair later said that the only time they ever saw the Queen lose control of herself and exhibit something like hysteria was when the subject of her sister came up.

Oh, link, [italic]please.[/italic]

Meg forced H to acknowledge the relationship before he was ready. I can see her doing the same with the marriage. There was no way the social climber was going to let go of him. She's a manipulative cunt. Remember when she had that pap photo taken where she wasn't wearing her wedding ring? She was so fucking transparent, spreading her fingers in front of the camera. She probably threatens to leave him when she doesn't get what she wants.

Diana gave an interview in which she said that she and Charles had only seen each other seriously a handful of times before they were engaged. She told her flat mates he was very eager to settle things and she thought he was a bit wet. This is after the divorce of course. So Charles had reason to ask Harry to be cautious.

HARRY!!!! LILIBET WILL NEVER BE A PRINCESS AND QUEEN UNLESS WE BACK OFF!!!!!

Many good points here, especially about the ick factor. I can’t stand to watch her or hear her voice. It just screams phony. On top of that, you can get a whiff of her serious pathology.

Scary woman. I feel badly for the kids.

Why would you expect two rich privileged kids to be exempt from experiencing difficulties? They will have to stay strong, just like the billions of kids in the world who literally have nothing.

R181 😂😂😂 When you come down, from the joint you just smoked, go back and read what you wrote! Bless you

I fail to understand what Meghan is trying to do. She has no acting career. A podcaster? A podcaster is not worthy of general interest. A philanthropist who earns her money off the charities she promotes? Trumpesque. The woman is over 40 and apparently still doesn't know what she wants to be when she grows up.

Recollections may vary.

R227 Those two kids will experience two self confessed mentally ill parents who appear to thrive on public drama. No, not all children will experience that despite their parents income. Now, go find the nurse and don’t cheek your medication this time.

So Meghan lied about Deal or No Deal. Add that to all the other lies she's told and she's batshit crazy.

I'm fascinated by your post, R229. She's got the Duchess, or maybe even "The Princess Henry" part.

So maybe she wants to be a combination of a socialite extraordinaire, like, well, the Queen? Or at least Princess Diana? Loved just because of who she is - the family she became part of.

But she wants to be more than that - that would just be her nemesis, Kate. She wants to combine it with being seen as brilliant! Like Oprah Winfrey, like Michelle Obama, like the most admired woman in the country, in the world, because she's wise and people see her as more wonderful than anybody else. What did she say - something like little girls will look up at her and see her as a fairytale princess. THE princess who outshines all the others.

She wants to be seen as perfect. (without having to do much of anything - though, to be fair, she has at least spent some time on the podcasts and interviews - and performative speeches every opportunity she can find.

Oh I don't know. Trumpesque sounds about right. She wants to control everything and everybody, to her greater glory. So does he.

She has the reporter from The Cut fired.

R234. That tweet does not say that. The writer’s Twitter does not say that. She still has an @nymag handle.

They are idiots on Reddit who keep repeating the writer was fired after the interview was published. Davis merely wrote she was going on vacation as one does if one is a freelancer and finishes a big job. Pretty sure if The Cut was unhappy with the article—which they’d read before publication—and was pressured to Do Something, then she’d be posting about that.

R190 and R198, it sounds like the Variety piece was originally supposed to be part of her podcast promo, then came the Queen's death. Also, Variety was planning on honoring her for something silly (it's in the article), but she cancelled attendance there because it was too close to the mourning period.

Anyway, Variety was doing a puff piece.

R234 and R235: I don't think the writer was fired. But! That Tweet is from a reputable journalist, Brooke Hammerling, who has been a Markle apologist. It's striking that she's done with Markle and clearly knows behind the scenes intel on how Markle has tossed her own comms folks under multiple buses AND, at the very least, passively aggressively attacked the career of the author of The Cut piece.

I've found these Markle threads endlessly entertaining and a great distraction from the pandemic/world falling apart. But her deliberate attempts to destroy careers (her staff/ and anyone who doesn't follow her orders to frame her as St. Meg) is reprehensible and of no entertainment value. She truly is vile and Harry is no victim. He's been a willing participant in attacks on his family and seems to be a louche, worthless nothing.

Why would Variety waste so much coverage on somebody who is of negligible interest to the entertainment industry? There are very talented actors, directors, producers, screenwriters who get little or no coverage. Meghan's a D list cable show actress who married a rich and famous but totally irrelevant man. It makes no sense and rather than promoting Meghan in Hollywood, I imagine there might be a strong backlash to giving so much attention to somebody who is, in essence, a reality TV performer. And not even a self-made one who showed some gumption like Kardashian.

R238 Correct! She couldn't even "act" her way through that ludicrous Variety modeling shoot.

R237

[quote] But! That Tweet is from a reputable journalist, Brooke Hammerling, who has been a Markle apologist.

Could you link or quote please? I missed this.

This article was most likely set up months ago by Sunshine Sachs, R238, to promote the podcast and was delayed by the Queen's death. I think we are seeing the tail end of all the stuff SS coordinated. Come next year, she will get nowhere near this type of coverage.

She takes no accountability for her actions. Instead, she creates this narrative that it's all haters/racists targeting her.

Have we discussed her description of attending Gloria (Glo) Steinem’s birthday party. I can’t access the article at the moment but I laughed out loud reading it. Our brave Meg—terrified to enter the party alone past-Oprah interview—but being rewarded by the embrace of “Glos” syncophants.

(Note: I had a fun personal encounter with Steinem once. Story for another time. But she was great—not the uptight humorless woman she often comes across as. I can see her allowing Meghan to glom into her like a pilot fish.)

She reminds me of the character in Durrenmatt's The Old Woman. An old woman who had married a very rich man goes back to the village where she grew up and had been treated with contempt, to get revenge. Hollywood just didn't appreciate the marvelous Markle and she's gonna show them!

Davis said she was taking long unpaid leave to work on a book.

If she'd been sacked, she wouldn't still be using the #NYMAG handle and her bio wouldn't still be up there, which it is.

R182 look up the def of tungsten there you will find wolfram

I think its dawning on Meghan that her and Harry have come off badly with their public image. There's something almost desperate in that Variety promo. She's trying to seem relatable and nerdy. Rapid eye movements, the careful tone of her voice. Harry is nowhere to be seen in the piece. She has more to lose than him. He'll always be Prince, even if the public is pissed at him. Her image is directly tied to him, and she probably is just now realizing that. She thought she could out play the press, the public and the palace, and I think k she's had a reality check since the Queen died. Charles, will let them twist in the wind, because, lets face it, he's been through worse.

R240, people these days often say "apologist" when what they're really describing is a modicum of perspective. You can defend someone against the more extreme behavior of a Piers Morgan--which Hammerling brings up herself--without being an out-and-out apologist. Perspective and nuance. Not everything is "you're either with us or against us," to quote that genius G.W. Bush.

One of the most ridiculous moments ever...

R249 she's pathetic, trying desperately to be Queen Bee. You almost feel sorry for her.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Sounds like a plan.

Why was she even on the stage at that polo match?

R249, Of all the ridiculous moments I have seen of her, that is right near the top. She really looked and acted like she was high on something. To act that bizarre with that creepy smile plastered on her face and the outfit and makeup, wow, just unbelievable. Anything for attention, I guess.

I didn't see it but read that there was a little girl in the middle of the photo, in front of her dad I think, and apparently Meghan made the little girl move either off the stage or down at the end so she wouldn't be in the shot with Meghan and the men on the team.

I would love to see a video that included that. I assume the other wives/girlfriends, including Nacho's!, were in the "audience" such as it was.

See r38 for awkward Meghan clawing for relevance footage. I wonder If Netflix kept that in.

I think there is a video of it R254. I'm too lazy to look for it, but I believe I saw the video on here. Meghan barges past everyone including the girl to get into the center of the group.

Meghan can give a good performance if it's a speech. Not necessarily coherent but polished. She can walk on stage, have some awkwardness greeting people, but she doesn't have stagefright. Her voice is artificial and arch but not mumbled. She is confident.

when it comes to impromptu ceremonies, she is extremely nervous and lacks confidence. She knows what she wants to accomplish but can't control the people about her. She tries to direct them but they are instinctively recalcitrant. In this case, the other players knew they only got the box of cigars but she wanted a 3 second clip of the un-won trophy being hoisted for the documentary in her mind. Result: chaos. Netflix won't dare to use it but we'll always have YouTube.

R257 is on to something. She has some rehearsed polish, but she's lost in unpredictable circles. Had she not needed to be Queen Bee, she might have thrived in the royal family, where most of their appearances are in controlled settings.

She is poor unscripted because she can't control an unscripted environment. With a walk-out, give the speech, smile and wave, bend down to accept the flowers from a sweet little curtsying girl, then get into the limo and head home to the expensive, lavishly furnished home, shed have done fine.

Oh, wait . . .!

That's the gig she kicked to the kerb.

She is the furthest thing from polished. She always sounds like an idiot.

She doesn't strike me as particularly polished in looks, demeanor, or output.

Now TMZ has their sights set on her, she’s going to get all the attention she craves.

I'm surprised the media hasn't harped on the fact that Meg has dumped her bestie Jessica Mulrooney. That also speaks volumes to her discarding of people when they are no longer useful. Isn't one of Jessica's kids Markle's godchild? Not the demonic looking twin boys but the girl? Or is the godchild the other flower girl whose mother was apparently a "good friend" but hasn't been seen since?

R263, Jessica Mulroney is glad you asked, because not many people have. She was a biggish fish in a smallish pond, so Markle outgrew her. People like Meghan come up with some slight, some thing that YOU fucked up and that’s their reason they don’t bother with you anymore.

Mulroney has been Markled.

Netflix would have comedy gold if they'd use the docuseries as a send-up. They probably have more footage of her acting like a bossy bitch - like the trophy thing - and they could do a Daily Mail or The Cut kind of jokeathon but retain a bit of deniability about it. She's already said the director has presented the story the way she would have wanted.

That Variety cover is hilarious!

*she's said the direcctor HASN'T presented their story the way she wanted...

(so something's up)

Her hair is what helps her look cute. To be fair, that's true for many, but why such a severe up-do.

And I'd fire the makeup person who thought her skin looked good. Good lord.

Meghan Mar-KELL's fry voice is so fucking annoying, I don't know who could possibly listen to her for more than 5 seconds.

Just a warning, Meghan/Royal threads are getting deleted. Just saw one disappear just as I was typing an answer related the The Crown, not even about MM.

I wish we could keep everything just in this one thread - and maybe it will be allowed? The Page Six one is up, just now, but it may not last.

Looks like Our Megs is steering her own PR ship. We are back to the pap-walks! This is very exciting. She is going to really be in our faces now. I can't wait to see what she thinks is going to win over the hearts of the people. I'd also like to know why she thought that jumpsuit looked good on her.

She is so desperate for attention the next photo shoot will be her in her 16 bathrooms taking a crap ....oh wait...she has already done that on her shit commercial.

That bunion on her right foot!

I am hoping she treats us to special holiday themed pap-walks. Pumpkin patches, Thanksgiving shopping, Christmas trees, the works! I love how she made the shopping bag front and center. I wonder if she scammed a free outfit from the manager for doing that.

Oh god, it looks like Megsie is wearing a big diaper in the photos @R272.

She's looking right at the camera in one of those photos. A definite paparazzi set up.

The Daily Mail, listed the photo credits to none other than BackGrid.

Interesting subject posted by Lady Colin Campbell begins at 36:40 minute mark - The Queen's friends talk about her REAL relationship with Meghan. Guess what? She's lying again.

I don’t understand [that jumpsuit], and I won’t respond to it.

Pal? More like personal assistant. She's going to have to call temp agencies to hire herself some friends now that Sunshine Sachs isn't pressuring their other clients to pretend to be her friends.

Anyone know where Lady C.'s wealth comes from? She was only married briefly back in the 70s. How does she afford Castle Goring?

A youtuber, pdina, was Lady C's houseguest during the Jubilee. She spoke of her visit a bit on her channel but recounted it in detail on her separate patreon channel which requires payment and I don't partake of.

Nothing sexier than a Duchess with back fat, a toe ring and a bunion.

If that one nanny is to be believed those kids only leave the house in a car, they don't play outside much or go places with H&M. When I was a kid we loved riding bikes around the neighborhood or just walking around with friends, I actually feel bad for those 2 little ones.

In r272 you can see she wears face makeup 3 shades too dark for her skin, she is naturally pale but I guess she figures the darker she looks the easier it will be to play the race card.

Her legs are so white!

She has a very broad back and wide shoulders. Why does she think she looks good showing them off?

That jumpsuit is HIDEOUS and wildly unsuited for her body. It might look good on a willowy 22-year old, but certainly not on a mother of two who is battling weight gain. Also, that woman with her is clearly a PA and not a friend. Who does she think she's kidding?

That’s not a friend, that’s a bodyguard.

Don’t forget linty weave, r282…

The woman in the green sweater looks bored.

The jumpsuit at least disguises her thick waist - but makes her butt look big and emphasizes her chicken legs.

Plus the off shoulder thing showing off her freckly multi-tone chest - just wtf? She almost never looks put together.

Her chest is so blotchy - with a big dark weird shape in the middle with uneven edges... she must look in the mirror and use her magical thinking to ignore her issues

You have a strange idea of cute r268. She has horrible hair.

The whole outfit is peculiar. She really has no fashion sense at all.

Meghan's PR has come full circle. Back to the pap walk with bags. She's about to crash and burn with over exposure. I believe Sunshine Sachs tried to keep the stories somewhat from being overdone, but with her calling 100% of the shots from here on out, its going to get wonderful for us. I hope she brings the danging tendrils back too!

I like the hat.

The woman in the green sweater must be her PA, she’s carrying the shopping bag at one point. The guy in the maroon polo shirt probably is her security.

At least we don’t have to see her glaring middle part when she’s wearing the hat. Her hair looks so much better in those Deal or No Deal photos.

Why on earth does this bitch need security?

There are allegedly no paparazzi in Montecito so she must have called them.

I don't listen to that Lady what's her face on You Tube but somebody posted that she said the Queen saw through Meghan and at the end figured Harry was a lost cause.

Funny pics. Meghan is all dressed up (not wearing yoga pants counts as dressed up now) and accessorized for shopping/lunch with girlfriends; the big gal looks like she put on whatever was on the floor next to her bed. I guess she's security/PA.

She has girlfriends?

She needs a driver and a PA just to go down the street for a $500 blouse.

So, is the Sunshine Sachs (ex) team relieved to be out of it?

Sitting back and cringing at the current and future stunts?

Laughing at the show happening now or to come?

Or just relieved to be out of it?

Considering Sunshine Sachs' other clients, eg Harvey Weinstein, I their their bottom line is always prompt payment. Harry is known to be a cheapskate; he expected his young former gf to pay her own way to Tennessee to attend the wedding of Harry's friend. They treat staff like dirt, so might well have tried to withhold payment because they were dissatisfied with SS's results.

She looks ridiculous with a heavy sweater over a pull up jumpsuit and huge hat. Always trying so hard. A crisp white tee with jeans would be perfect.

Thanks, R278. I checked out the Lady C video.

Wow!

If true, the bits about the Queen's opinion of Harry's wife are scathing.

I live not far from them and I would give someone in that getup the hard side eye if I saw them walking down the street.

R298 The fashionista thugs.

[quote]Harry, stoned in the backyard

Talking to the rescue chickens

All this nonsense about The Queen caring about these fools is nuts. Have you ever met a 90+ person? They have their priorities straight and have zero fucks to give.

Other than being forced to occasionally pickup forced FaceTime calls to validate their existence, doubt she gave them one thought.

Same goes for Charles. I know a lot of single dads—they don’t spend a lot of time fretting about their grown kids—especially if they’re assholes to them. One of my best friend’s dad—who is one of the nicest guys in the world—has pretty much written off his grown son because the son makes little effort to contact him.

Now imagine having a middle age whiny bitch who broadcasts his bullshit grievances against you endlessly in the media? If he’s your kid, are you going to love him unconditionally? If he was a teen or even a young adult—probably yes. But a middle aged man who is married, a father and outlandishly entitled? No.

I’m a step parent and I truly love one of my two step kids. If I never saw the one who is an asshole, I wouldn’t think twice about it.

So all this discussion of Charles wringing his hands over Harry is nonsense— the only consideration is PR. If it looks terrible not to invite Harry to his coronation, he’ll invite him. If not, he won’t—why should he? Harry has abused him and his brother in the press. Would you want your sibling/ child in your life if they completely fucked your over?

Completely agree with every word of r311. I have always believed The Queen simply viewed Harry and Meghan as Charlse's problem, and in turn I believe tht Charles appraoch with harry is, or if not, should be "I did everything that I was capable of for you as a child and young adult, but you're a late 30 year-old grown man choosing to ignore any and all advice from me; good luck to you and Meghan, my agenda is full."

If even half of what Lady C mentions in her latest video is true, then Queen and Prince Philip had MM's number from the beginning.

The most hilarious remark supposedly related by friends of the Queen, was that TQ made a comparison to Princess Michael of Kent whose nickname in the RF is "Princess Pushy".

That MM "...makes Princess Michael of Kent look reticent."

R311-. At this point it looks terrible for him to invite them, imo. It is really insulting to everyone that they are allowed to behave so disrespectfully and still be forced on everyone. That is just enabling in my opinion and it looks bad on his part. Weak and ineffective. You do not allow anyone, especially your grown child to publicly disrespect you and the institution you represent and that supports your very privileged lifestyle. Their behavior has been disgraceful and unacceptable. It is a slap in the face to the people of the UK.

Yes, it's not a good idea for them to be invited, however! It gives us so much opportunity to see how desperate they are. I fully expect Meghan to go in the most obnoxious ball gown she can find, with whatever tiara she can manage to scam someone into loaning her.

R315- Oh, yes and we can also count on Harry looking homicidal.

She really looked enraged in that photo of them in the car leaving TQ's service. I would really love to know why, lol.

Her family told the true story early on with all those hilarious interviews. One after another after another, they said so much beyond what was verbally stated. How did The Duchess ever get them to finally STFU?!! What ever happened to Samantha Markles book?

Not sure what event you're referring to r315 but I'm guessing that unless a tiara comes with a BRF pedigree, our Megs would turn up her pert nose. She'd rather repurpose a diamond/pearl necklace like Diana did and wear it on her forehead.

Trendsetter!

R319- She even fails at cosplaying others, she actually sucks at it. She fails at everything she does because she is so shallow and fake. Empty human being. I would pity her if she wasn't so cruel and vicious.

Meghan 'let aide name drop boyfriend Harry' to get her table at posh restaurant.

What will she be like at the age of 80?

Aide lmfao. It was probably her rude fat friend. Lindsey, isn't it?

R323- Does she still associate with her So-Ho friends?

R322- Another Madonna. Plastic surgery victim denying her age. Dressing inappropriately in 90' s fashion, pretending she still young and has legs for miles instead of wheelchair legs and a SpongeBob body. Bat shit insane.

Meghan won't be wearing any tiaras at the coronation. With an hour-long service and peers in morning or lounge suits, it becomes doubtful that well be seeing much bling on anyone except C3 and the Consort.

Which really is too bad, especially for all those duchesses from the hereditary peerage, never mind Kate and the duchesses of Kent, Gloucester, Princess Michael, the York Princesses, and Anne.

And what of the other Crowned Heafs and Crown Princely Couples? Are they coming dressed down, too?

I'm beginning to think that a bit too much slimming down is occurring.

The pound is heading up again With Sunak in place, the economic picture may be better next year and it would be ironic if all that ancient ritual and glitter was sacrificed for a bad patch.

I think we'll know more about whether the Sussexes get an invite after Harry's memoir comes out. If it's a damp squib, the King may just shrug and give the Sussexes a nice Not Front Row seat.

If it is insulting, no one will blame C3 for taking the opportunity finally to let the world know he's done with the two and they can watch at home on the telly.

Oh the Sussexes! They're always making the case for the BRF turning it's back on them.

And after they've shot their wads with Oprah and the memoir and Dax Shepherd, what's left, really? The family I think doesn't have two fucks to give any longer what Meghan and Harry say.

That memoir may be just what Charles and William are waiting for.

R326- They have a gift for burning every bridge that they cross.

R327, and sometimes they set fire to the one they’re standing on!

R328- lol. It is their only talent!

Have the Dumbartons come to the defense of their good friend James Corden?

Didn't Sunshine Sachs at the time squawk about how their children had playdates even though they were not remotely even in the same age groups?

R330- Is he a SS client too? Is every celebrity a SS client?

^^^^^^*its (not it's) back

R326

I do not believe that SS can help them now. The train has left the station. The Markles are out with the public.

Would their USA audience care if they were not invited to/ didn't attend the coronation?

They rely on press outrage in the UK to get attention in the USA. Most of the public in general really don't give a shit, but would it enhance their victim personality at home ( US)?

R334- I honestly do not believe the people here paid very much attention to them at all until TQ's death and funeral. They believed the headlines about their supposed humanitarian activities and charity work. All non-existent and self serving. But everyone was watching and paying attention to the Queen's passing and their selfish behavior started at the airport only hours after her death and only became worse everyday. TQ was very much respected and loved by most Americans. That is when I think Americans saw them rather clearly for the first time. What they saw was two self centered, entitled, disrespectful narcissists determined to make everything all about them and issue petty demands on a grieving RF.

Royals don't seek attention. The don't court controversy for a reason. The Duchess is one dumb broad to pull the stunts she pulled for the sake of publicity - banana anyone? 😂 Once again, I roundly assert she's Jayne Mansfield.

There would be no reason to invite the Harkles to the coronation. They have no official role. Besides, they couldn't even behave themselves during TQ's funeral, with their constant leaking and whining. Imagine how they would act at yet another event where it isn't all about them.

R337- I also feel it would be very unfair to the other members of the family. They should not be forced to endure those two disloyal attention whores, not to mention having to worry about being secretly recorded. MM can not even be trusted anywhere near the children. Enough. No one should have to be subjected that and their disloyalty should not be awarded or tolerated. Not so long ago MM would have been taken here:

Thanks r335. I never really thought that the Queen's funeral would alter US opinion, so that was interesting.

What US audience r334? Nobody pays them any attention here.

I get the impression Ginger brat is not thriving in Tinseltown but just surviving. No prestigious invitations. Just purchased awards, no friends, contrived red carpets, a tacky d-list reality show and a sad little juggling act.

If Match Game was still on the air they could have a ton of Ginger brat centric questions. "Dumb Harry Dumbarton is so DUMB, he_____________."

R335 is incorrect. Nobody was buying their fauxmanitarian BS. People were never interested. In fact, many people polled on the street, had no idea who they were.

r340, Yes, I give it to you. I meant her sycophants and noisy fandom of fat freaks on twatter. Unfortunately she still has Oprah and Tyler Peryy sticking up for her, so there are a bit of an audience.

R340- Exactly. That is why most Americans were unaware of how horrible and phoney those two are. They never paid any attention to them until the Queen's funeral coverage. People here only skimmed the headlines that SS put out because they do not care about them or what they are doing. The only thing that makes them interesting in any way is how morbidly deviant they are. But if one never reads beyond PR headlines they are not aware of this.

R339- You are very welcome.

[QUOTE]Once again, I roundly assert she's Jayne Mansfield.

I thought for sure the picture linked at r336 was going to be the infamous shot of Mansfield with nipples almost hanging out of her dress as Sophia Loren casts a downward side eye.

After the coronation there won't be any more big BRF events for a long time. Sure, there will be Christmas at Sandringham (per the UK news), perhaps Trooping the Colour, but the BIG events (the Jubilee, Queen's funeral, etc) are going back in the drawer now for the forseeable. If H&M don't come for the coronation (by choice or lack of invite) we will not see them at another royal event maybe ever again. I'm sure they are thinking about that.

These so-called "eco-warriors" should be hauled off and charged. This the latest stunt. Charles has been a environmental advocate before they were born.

They've kept people from going to the hospital as they lay in the road, splash all kinds of shit on priceless paintings...lock them all up.

A video of Meghan's shopping expedition.

It's a coronation! Everyone gets a crown!

The reason we saw her photographed = selling merchandise.

A coronet is not a crown, R350.

Not on this thread.

It’s only “shopping” if you pay for the merchandise. When you receive it gratis in exchange for parading the bag in front of Backgrid’s cameras, it becomes something else. (“Did you get the whole thing in frame?”)

She's so desperate. So clueless as to how she comes off to the world.

[quote] What will she be like at the age of 80?

I ran into a chapter in a book on elder care once, and it discussed the phenomenon of narcissists in assisted living facilities.

They're more likely to be there because they are so empty and resourceless (inside) that they can't stand to live alone. Add to that - their children frequently desert them because they're such horrible parents.

A normal person would be much more likely to exhaust all other means before going into care - whether home health or living with a relative, but the delight of having a facility full of servants to come whenever they call is very tempting - so they often go asap.

My own narcissistic mother bought not one but two long-term care insurance policies and she started scamming her doctor by acting more daffy in stages so that she got an Alzheimers diagnosis and voila, the policies paid out and she's been in an LTC home since 2005 (and only now is starting to be a bit forgetful). No one looks after themselves been than a narcissist - which I guess is good because they'll run off anybody else who might care, whether spouse or offspring.

*No one looks after themselves BETTER than a narcissist...

Heh! “The Power of Women: An Evening with Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex” at the Indianapolis Marriot hotel. The Women’s Fund of Central Indiana is leading the event.

I now understand why she left the royal family for a more powerful platform. The Indianapolis Marriot! Sponsored by the Women's Fund of Central Indiana! Watch out world!

Oh, she can go after R Dwan Taylor.

[quote] Heh! “The Power of Women: An Evening with Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex” at the Indianapolis Marriot hotel. The Women’s Fund of Central Indiana is leading the event. I now understand why she left the royal family for a more powerful platform. The Indianapolis Marriot! Sponsored by the Women's Fund of Central Indiana! Watch out world!

Truly thought this was a joke. Earlier, someone posted the things Markle will be headlining in the future (“Texarkana Fall Festival”), and we all had a good laugh.

Now she really is going to Indy for some no-name-self-celebratory shindig. Unbelievable.

Stick a fork in her. She’s done.

Was it Indiana where that girl faked a racist attack and Markle rang her in hospital and attatched herself to local "yoof" ?

If I were her PR team, I'd commit hara kiri over that Indiana gig

It screams "They wouldn't let me into the Women of Hollywood gig, Obama's birthday bash, the Met Gala, the BP balcony or the Reception for the Crowned Heads the night before the old bitch's funeral . . This is the level I get to play at, but it's better than fading from public view!"

[QUOTE]If I were her PR team, I'd commit hara kiri over that Indiana gig

This is like her being Lisa Whelchel, forcibly married to the gayest of gay church organist/music director by the family preacher who pushed and kept insisting.

OMG is she going into Republican politics? Those R voters are stupid enough to elect her. They're so tribal you just have to say you're on their side and you're in - Donald, Kanye, Herschel, Oz, they don't give a fuck if you can string two sentences together.

R363- Yes, I believe she is. Did anyone really ever believe for one minute that this grifting whore was a Democrat? She was just playing to the woke crowd but that is no longer working for her because she has been exposed as pathological liar who doesn't gaf about others.

Your seem touched in the head, r364.

R365: Looking forward to your trip to Indiana, Smegs? 🤭🤭🤭 🤣🤣🤣

I can't add anything except to say she's essentially back on Deal or No Deal.

R367: What goes up, must come down...

I wonder how she got that pathetic Indiana Marriot gig. That's her doing. I can't think of any top level agent thinking that event is a good idea. I want to know how much they had to fork over to get her to attend. I'd give anything to have her delusional rider leak, of all the things she demanded. 12 star accommodations! Indianapolis police motorcade! Green room must be all white, filled with lemon cake scented candles, and all furniture must be of high quality silks! Organic fair trade, ethically sourced tea, dried in the sun on the butts of endangered animals!

R369- There must be some hidden agenda. It is not believable at all that she would agree to lower herself ( in her opinion) such a small venue. She may as well be booked at a Holiday Inn.

$5,000 table is $2,500 (there is $2,500 worth of goods (food, drink, & other) provided at the event). Photography or any recording of the event is strictly prohibited. This event is closed to the media.

The tables are for 10 people each, that's $500 per head to listen to her speak. I can recall a time they were claiming that there were going to make millions from speaking engagements. How much do they think they are going to make off this? You know she requested a private jet!

It's A WOC organization mainly. Those are the only gigs she can get. Numpty at r363 needs to go get herself an education. She's ALL looney liberal.

Oh dang it. Ignore the wording on that top part, I took it from their website. It sounds weird, but you get the jist of it.

It's hard to be seen as the "pretty" one when you look like that. From the comments I see in many places, she's viewed as a pump and dump.

" Photography or any recording of the event is strictly prohibited. This event is closed to the media."

She must feel as if she has died and gone to hell. 🤣

If that event is for WOC expect her to set the fake tan to black

This is like dinner theater in Branson.

Suddenly doing cat litter commercials doesn't look so bad.

R378- I do hope she has to fly coach. 😁

You guys are genuinely funny.

If she takes another private jet to this useless appearance, I wish the enviro-warriors would cancel her ass. What in hell do progressives see in her? (or do they? maybe it was just senile "Glo" Steinem)

R381- From what I have observed no one paid attention to them. They were not interested in what they were doing. They really noticed what horrible people they are when they watched coverage of the death of TQ. They were shocked and disgusted at their behavior and lack of respect for the beloved, dignified, devoted and long serving Queen. If anyone ever deserved respect, it was her. They were mostly all unaware of the disrespectful behavior of those two narcissists at Prince Philip's service. Not as many Americans seemed to have watched his funeral. But they watched TQ's. Even if she hadn't been TQ, just a family member, who does that at a funeral?

Have you seen the current USWeekly issue with the grifting duo on the cover?

I say without hesitation that the Harkles will indeed be invited to the Coronation, regardless of whatever bad blood may be between them and the Monarchy at the time of the event. Of course Charles will insist his son be present, which means the wifey as well. It will simply be a repeat performance of the Platinum Jubilee inasmuch as the RF will essentially shun them throughout and they will be seated with the Lesser Royals. Once again, if they agree to attend, they will leave at first opportunity in a big snit.

Thank you R382. I've been wondering how good her "reach" was with Millennials and Gen Z.

I remember when I was that age, I didn't really pay too much attention to news and current events (too busy getting high and laid). I screwed around and wasn't even registered to vote the first time I was old enough (Carter in 1980) -- and this was after I was a HUGE McGovern/Woodstock sort of hippy fan -- nevertheless too chaotic and distracted to do anything other than vaguely identify with the left because human rights mattered to me - how could anybody think otherwise ?

I still feel that way - and at least I donate, occasionally protest, and absolutely vote solidly blue every time. But back then... I was in a fog. Hope the new gen is better than I was.

Oops - I missed voting Carter in 1976 -- I definitely voted against the Demon Seed Ronald Reagan in 1980. Stood in line in the Florida heat. He's the bastard that started all this shit. We just thought Nixon was bad. (he wanted universal healthcare!)

R386- So very true. He is also why we have no affordable mental health services. I think I loathed his slut wife more than him. Blow job Nancy. Despicable, shallow, phoney, homophobes. Many young men died unnecessary because of them. They have blood on their hands.

R385- They scan the headlines and see the SS PR propaganda and they do not read or research them. So they really had no clue or interest in those two. As I said, they really revealed to a watching world on national television how selfish, demanding, disrupting, and petty they are. They both showed an astonishing lack of empathy and compassion. They are hideous people but you can't look away. You are waiting for someone to stop them or put them in their place. Instead rich celebrities seem to be backing them. It is baffling.

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No wonder M made him go public with their relationship, she was fighting for her life trying to land H. That woman above dodged a big bullet.

David Gandy or babyman Harry? She made the right choice.

"secretly dating" = boinking a side-piece; nothing more

Do you remember how she stormed uninvited to Harry's friends wedding? She looked psychotic and i am not joking. What was that day all about? Does anyone know?

I wish people would quit repeating that story. The evidence for that narrative is just not there to reasonable eyes.

R394- There are photos. This happened.

But that was exactly his relationship with Markle r392.

R396: That explains her aggressive and desperate stalking of him.

Maybe if they'd been more discreet and had maintained a more royal aura after the move to Cali, they might've eventually been accepted into more elevated circles. And not been so unlucky/stupid in their high-profile friendships (Ellen, James Corden). They could've coasted on "turned our back on royalty/scrappy, well-educated biracial girlboss shook up the monarchy" branding.

But blab and backstab and overshare they did. And then came Meghan's dopey podcast, lobbing bombs at the industry and showing anyone who finally paid attention how shallow she is.

Welcome to the Indiana Mariott!

They really screwed the pooch with the Oprah interview. They blew their wad and then there wasn't much else to offer after they spilled all the dirt. And also I think it made people wary to be around them because they might spill your secrets.

They should have held off and created a mystique.

[quote]There are photos. This happened.

There are photos of her at the event. They do not prove the context of her coming to be there, R395. No one has ever offered a shred of proof that she "crashed" that wedding, instead of simply attending as Harry's +1.

First thing they did when they started out was the huge tell all interview. It was filled with numerous proveable lies. They also pushed ahead with it while Philip was on his deathbed. Only the very desperate ever befriended them, and it never lasted past an appearance or two. The tell all definitely was the death knoll for them. Especially her.

I don't know where to put this, so 2/3rds of a Major Johnny sighting this morning...

Major Johnny has great calves.

What she's wearing isn't doing her any favors. What the hell IS she wearing? She went out looking like that and she called the paps? 🤔

The new Archetypes is out and the Maul reports on it. The Maul's reporting isn't even particularly snide or vicious. It's so dull there's not much to work with. The whole show feels like she wrote a list of all the terrible injustices thrust upon her and does an episode per. Zzzzzzzz.

R404- She must have body dysmorphia. That is the only explanation that would make sense.

She really must R406. I don't think I've ever seen a photo of her ever looking polished. She seems to miss the mark every time. You'd think with access to designer clothing that she'd get it right sometimes.

R407- Especially with all of the best help bring available to her. The best designers, the best people to dress her , hair and makeup. How can one have access to the best and walk out looking like an unmade bed? She always looks like she is wearing day old makeup and is in need of a shower. Don't even get me started on that hair.

R400 It is true that it is unlikely she exactly "crashed" the Inskip wedding. I think it more likely Harry had tried to track it off, and she came anyway.

But I have seen quite a few photos of the couple there, and they do seem to be in some sort of relationship crisis. Neither radiate in love Joy, Harry won't even look at her as paws him, he looks angry and glum, and she isn't smiling even though she knows the cameras are on her. There are also photos of her standing around alone looking angry, as well.

I do think the photos show a woman determined to reel a man back in. Obviously, she succeeded. Her crashing the wedding was not really the issue: the obvious signs of TIP were.

Those photos, and the ones at the UN last summer, were the ones I found mostbsupportivenof the narrative around the structure of their relationship.

R391 As for what "progressives" see in Meghan: take a wild guess.

Had Kate Middleton behaved the same way, or any other hustler Harry married who didn't have the race card to play, they would have not o ky been excoriated by those same progressives, but held up as a reason to abolish the monarchy.

It was race card against monarchy. Without it, Meghan's whingeing would have gotten her the Heather McCartney treatment by now, and not just from the BRF, but the public as well.

Re the coronation: Harry will be barred if that memoir stings. If it turns out not to be, I expect they will get an invite, and to occupy the same place as in the Jublee. Their behavior at the Queen's funeral will also have caused a return to tighter enforcement.

But if Harry has indeed gone for the jugular of his father (and King, as he remains a British citizen), and Camilla, then no one will expect Charles to have his traitorous son and daughter-in-law there.

It would be typical of Harry, as he vomited up his rage whilst writing the book, to have forgotten that with his grandmother having little time left on this earth, the day was approaching when his father would become King l, and his enraged brother much closer to the throne.

But discretion being the better part of valor is not a concept the Sussexes have ever grasped. It goes to longer-term thinking, and they only go in for loud noises that backfire like old autos.

^* Harry had tried to break it off (not track)

* progressives would have held it up as a reason to abolish the monarchy.

I see no way that Harry does not attack his father and stepmother in his book. One reason is that the book would not sell otherwise because no one would be Interested in reading it. Harry knows this. He is dull and boring. He has no choice really if he wants that book to make any money.

Perhaps she showed up at the Inskip wedding to inform him a bundle of joy was on the way and she really hoped he would do the right thing and not force her to go to the media? Then once he acquiesced, oh no! surprise! a mythcarriage.

Makes me wonder how many faux pregnancies and mythcarriages she had leading up to the wedding so she could seal the deal. Didn't she use mythcarriage to delay a court date on a case she subsequently lost?

My point being, it's possible she played the "I'm pregnant" card along with the race card for a one-two punch on him and his family

R411, there’s a rumor that they (because let’s face it, HE didn’t write the book alone) go after Kate, as well. It’s no surprise: they did the same in their Oprah interview. They don’t just slice at the tall poppy, they hit everyone below, too.

Except Andrew, oddly.

Agree that she probably didn’t “crash” the Inskip wedding.

I think it’s likely (based on IRL couples with the same toxic dynamic) he invited her and then disinvited her after an argument. In her Fatal Attraction manner (I’M STILL YOUR PLUS ONE HARRY. YOU PUT IT IN WRITING. THEY’RE EXPECTING ME!) she came anyway. The photos show her staring daggers at a woman who dared speak to Harry, it’s hilarious and frightening.

R413- Yes, it is unexplainably odd that only Andrew is always spared and he is such an easy target for them. It isn't out of kindness because those two are not the least bit kind. They can not spell the word loyalty so that isn't it either. What does Andrew have on them?

What does TIP mean?

I think Charles would put up with almost anything except an attack on Camilla, so if the book is brutal about her, that's the last straw. I bet behind the scenes William would take the same position with regard to Kate. The only thing that would make the men think different is if the women urge them too. I can't even speculate about how Kate or Camilla would land. Camilla, I'm sure I've read somewhere reasonably credible, is inclined to take a harder line. She and Charles have been through the wars together, so she is presumably as protective of him as he would be of her and she is old school... you don't complain in public. Kate's all about peace in our time and family, I gather, but even she must have her reluctant limits? What good could come of inviting them if they attack?

So I would guess it would quietly be made known in advance that the decision had been taken not to invite the Sussexes to the coronation, that way the shock and awe is over and done by the big day.

R417, Catherine has already been pushed beyond her limits. She made that clear in the walkabout. She has no interest in appeasing Meghan and Harry. She’s past making nice with them.

People are fed up with the hypocrisy of these two and their repeated accusations against the monocracy and the royal family while still being allowed to attend Royal functions and historical events such as TQ's funeral. Just because he is family doesn't mean he should be allowed to be a part of any public event of an institution that he has actively tried to damage, if not destroy. The glaring hypocrisy is insulting to the public. Charles should put the feelings of the people of UK , who have financially supported Harry's over privileged lifestyle all of his life and shown him much love and affection, only to be insulted by him and accused of being racist. Charles has no right to subject them to his ungrateful and unloyal son, forcing them to accept him and treat him as before.

It's not just Catherine, reacting to her own past interaction with M. It's also about how Charlotte was treated.

Not long ago someone posted a video clip from the Sussex wedding. Close up on M's face as she watches the pages and bridesmaids who were walking behind her, approach the front of the church. She is smiling benignly as they come up. The pages first, then the bridesmaids.

When Charlotte, walking beside one of the other girls, got to the front, Charlotte looks up directly at M. M's face changes, gone is the smile, as she looks directly at Charlotte. Not a nice, benign look at all.

Very noticeable.

Not only does Charlotte look M in the eye, but M's reaction!

Body language from both of them told a story, particularly given M's previous look to the others.

Add to that the story that M did not want the Cambridge kids in the wedding at all and that the RF, who were, of course, paying for the whole spectacle, insisted.

And that both George and Charlotte were separated from the other kids after the procession and walked out after the ceremony with their parents.

Given that Charlotte was a bridesmaid in 5 different weddings while she was little, it's interesting that only at this wedding were the Cambridge kids not in the usual exit from the church.

Anyone else remember this clip and have the link?

r420, Sue Smith on YT picked up on it and Body Language guy analyzed it.

I can't take Sue Smith's voice and I believe she's a trumper so I'll link Body Language guy since I don't know for sure his affiliations.

R420- Her own family said that she should never be left alone children or animals, she is a danger to them. I do believe that she has a pathological hatred and jealousy of little Charlotte. Charlotte is the little princess that MM has always wanted to be but never was. She is also Catherine's daughter. MM is a very dangerous person to those smaller and weaker than she is. A very sadistic, abusive bully. Psychopathic malignant narcissist. A dark triad. Hope and pray she NEVER is put in a position of power of people.

TIP=Trouble in Paradise

[quote]No one has ever offered a shred of proof that she "crashed" that wedding, instead of simply attending as Harry's +1.

She did attend, as Harry's -1.

I. very much doubt that at that point she was using the pregnancy tricks. It was way before the right time for that.

But I do think they were at a tricky point. I'm wondering if these days they aren't at another one, because things have not gone the way they assumed, for either one.

Do you think Harry will ever realize he is married to a narcissist? He usually looks so unhappy. I’ve had some narcissistic relationships and at some point you get the clue. But I guess mostly after they have discarded you, while you are on the relationship is manipulation central.

R425- They will turn on each other evidently. Harry will win that battle because of who he is related to. Once Harry is separated from her, TRF will eviscerate her. I am sure they have been just eagerly waiting for this. I would be if I were them. She has no clue what she will be up against.

Harry's book is out! Charles pees sitting down! Oh my God. End the monarchy now, before he can be crowned!

Can somebody tell her she has bird legs and tell her to stop showing them off? She looks like an apple stuck on two toothpicks.

R429- 🧑‍🦽 legs.

A laugh for today.

R431- 😂. She won't last. She craves attention too much.

What were their crimes at or after the funeral?

R43- Which one? The Queens or Prince Philip's? They disrespected both.

Andrew and Harry, take note!

R435- Bahaha!

There was some gossip online about serious government dealings concerning Harry and Andrew and I suppose they were referring to the regency rearrangement. Harry will be livid. And if I were William's kids, I would trust Good Old Uncle Harry about as much as I would Richard III.

Oh dear! Does Camilla pee standing up like Anne does?

She needs to get herself the stereotype ( or archetype if you speak Meg) of the gay best friend , to tell her she looks like shite.

Stop defaming the name of Richard III. It’s Tudor slander.

R440 Indeed! If Harry, especially, reminds us of anyone, it's Richard's hapless brother, George, Duke of Clarence.

And we know what happened to HIM.

We can push on a generation and put Meghan in as Margaret of Anjou.

I thought they were also discussing the Counsellor of State issue?

Counsellors of State must be domiciled in the United Kingdom. Harry, of course, has maintained a formal address in the UK, but is obviously domiciled in another country. By the way, the monarch's spouse is entitled to serve as one. So it would be Camilla, William, Harry, Andrew, and Princess Beatrice under the current reign. With both Camilla and William available, the likelihood of having to turn to the last three names is slim.

And, by the way, the Regent's spouse is ALSO a candidate for serving as Regent, as long as s/he is a British citizen, domiciled in the UK, and over 18 (if the Heir Apparent/Presumptive) or 21 for everyone else.

So the likelihood of needed Harry if William disappears before George turns 18 is also very slim. Kate would likely serve along with another person in the lineup appointed by Parliament.

You jealous haters can kiss Meghan's 43% Nigerian ass!

She was also Maltese at one time,so there is that...

[quote]You jealous haters can kiss Meghan's 43% Nigerian ass!

Well, sucking up to royalty worked before. You get an email from a Nigerian prince, you do what you have to. Bel Air isn't going to pay for itself.

I had a dream, a dream about me, baby...

Hush now R445! Meghan IS descended from English KINGS!

The Incredible Case of Shrinking, Disappearing Harry:

October 2020 - Harry is an equal partner in the photo.

September 2021 - Harry has been shrunken and partially hidden behind Meghan.

October 2022 (x2) - Harry has disappeared.

From a DM story up thread, that must have been typed with their toes. We could have been calling her Mergan all this time.

[quote] America actress Mergan Markle is believed to be the prince's new love

R442. The problem is that Charles and William often travel abroad with their spouses so it is not completely far fetched that they would end up dipping lower in the line of succession.

Re: the Inskip wedding drama, there was tension but not because MM showed up uninvited. She was very much wanted there by Harry. So much so that they were papped on the balcony of their hotel room in very intimate poses. Harry found out, flipped out and sulked the next two days. MM tried to cheer him up but he wouldn’t budge from his mood. It was probably the first time MM saw how deep his anti-press feelings went.

R451- I read that Harry had broken things off with her .

Revealed - How the Palace has planned to replace Harry and Andrew with Anne and Edward: Officials finalise ways to avoid Dukes EVER standing in for the King... in proposals first considered MONTHS ago with the late Queen's blessing, writes ROBERT HARDMAN By ROBERT HARDMAN FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 22:02 BST, 25 October 2022 | UPDATED: 02:40 BST, 26 October 2022

Same here r452.

I'm dissapointed Meghan haven't sucked her way up the totem pole by making a pass at William, or even Charles so she could be Queen Meghan.

R455- I have absolutely no doubt that she tried her best, but William wasn't having nothing to do with that grasping whore. She made a damn fool out of herself giving him long, lustful looks and puppy dog eyes in public. You could tell that he just loathed her. I believe that is another reason for her psychological hatred for W&C. He rejected her attempts to seduce him. Camilla I believe put a screeching halt to her flirtation with Charles. She is such a shameless grifting , slut.

Pathological. ^

R429 More like a square.

R458- SpongeBob.

R451 is right, Harry was moody during that wedding due to the presence of the media. This was in the Bower book, I think (and nothing about a near-breakup was reported in said book). I'm surprised more people don't see that he's been her bitch since probably within a few days of meeting her. He's totally subservient, desperate to please and placate Meghan, solicitous and deferential to her to the point of awkwardness in public.

R460- Not buying it. Harry is too spoiled and entitled to be THAT subservient to anyone, imo. I also believe that Harry broke it off with her, or tried, and this was the reason why she looked like a deranged axe murderer that day.

Supposedly, Harry's friends at that wedding did not hide their distaste for Meghan. Probably due partly to aristocratic snobbery but also probably due to them easily picking up on her nutjob tendencies. That is why she looks murderous. Also, Harry reportedly did not notice or agree with Meghan that his friends were giving her the cold shoulder so wrapped up in his anger was he about being papped. At that time, she was just someone he was fucking and he couldn't be bothered.

I think this is when she began figuring out she needed to appeal to his white knight/mommy issues tendencies. Once she cast him as her 'protector', she convinced him to dump all his friends in retribution.

Murky Meg on YT says the staff at the store on her recent pap stroll in Montecito were instructed not to speak to her. Also Skinny Pop popcorn package visible and easy to read in door of car she got into so perhaps more merching for a national brand.

Murky Meg is the one the Sussex Squad had the police pay a visit to a few months ago.

From the Times today: The King is said to favour an amendment to the Regency Act. If the law is changed, he could promote the Earl of Wessex and the Princess Royal to the position.

R461 😂😂😂😵

R461 😂😂😂😵

I haven't seen photos of Harry and Meghan on the balcony in intimate poses. Link, please. It does seembrsthervstrange that someone so intensely sensitive to media intrusion would have done that.

Re the Counsellor or State issue goes, the plan being formed that allows the monarch to select or appoint at need such Counsellors from amongst more than the four next in line over 21, is brilliant.

It's the latest step in a strategy of slowly but surely making it clear that the Sussexes are OUT, but without putting their heads up on a pike over Tower gate. It avoids furor but makes the point, anyway

I imagine they will do the same thing with the Regency Act.

Charles could, then, if he knows he is, say, undergoing heart surgery, andvWilliam is on an extended tour of Asia, skip over Harry and Andrew and the York daughters, and appoint Anne or Edward.

And, it bears reminding that in December, the bill allowing the monarch to remove titles without needing formal consent by Parliament, only informal agreement, goes into its next phase before heading to the HoL.

The Queen and the monarchy, slowly and quietly, are giving an object lesson in grey-rocking rather than bawling accusations and feeding the media bonfires.

The HRHs for the Sussex kids haven't appeared yet, either.l, have they?

Charles doesn't have to SAY No. He just doesn't have to SAY Yes and let it all quietly fade.

The Sussexes were fools. They really thought they could smear, lie, accuse, threaten . . . And somehow escape any consequences for themselves, and now their children's royal status - in which both were heavily invested no mattercwhatvtheycsay publicly.

Not the poster who posted about the balcony pics, but I remember seeing them at the time and they disappeared from the net. That being said, they could have been fake. There are other pics from that wedding where Harry and Meghan are supposedly swimming together that look very badly photoshopped, like Meghan was pasted into an existing shot with Harry. I wouldn't put it past Markle to have had such pics posted and then retracted when/if Harry started looking into their origins.

R457, were you around for the invasion of the Cumberbitches? I think it's either a lot of the same people or at least the same ilk. Women who are extremely invested in hating one woman or in picking apart a famous man's personal life. The storytelling and overinterpretation of details that quickly becomes canon ("She crashed the wedding and threw a tantrum at a waiter!") sounds all too familiar.

Cumberbitches were hilarious with the "robotic babies!" though

Did Mugs Markle get her feelings hurt again? Surely it's anyone else's fault.

r467 - It seems like the whole matter of Counsellor of State is more directed to keeping Andrew out of a position he not only doesn't deserve, but to avoid any possible embarrassment because he's known to hijack situations to put himself front and center. He was the first to seek cameras after his father's death to make some statement and cutting people off to escort the Queen to her seat at Philip's memorial service a year later.

Harry being a Counsellor wasn't really going to become a practical matter since he doesn't reside in the UK anymore.

R472, he does have a legal “residence” in the UK, presumably for tax purposes, and they may need to pop over there periodically to maintain that pretense.

R468, holy shit, I forgot about those! She’s wearing her MJ fedora, IIRC.

Also, I can’t find that clip of Harry in Africa, with his hands on the heads of two little African boys. He sort of tousled their hair and then pushed them together like he was Moe Howard and they were the other two Stooges. Would love to see that again.

I thought physical residence for a set amount of time was the requirement, r473. He's spent only about two weeks in the UK this year and 10 days were due to the Queen's death. Both he and Charles have made it clear the UK is in Harry’s rear view mirror favoring the overseas environment.

R473 Yes, it's the legal residence bit might (or might now, I don't really know) keep Harry on board as a possible CoS. It's also one of the anchors of his case for 24/7 armed taxpayer funded security when he chooses to "visit" Britain.

But just the same, Harry would be no more acceptable as a CoS than Andrew, even without the residence issue. And, once they affirm this in re the CoS, they can have "form" as it were, for altering the Regency Act, as well.

It would be quite something, if we're all here in a year or two, to wake up and find that even the possibility of Harry serving as either a CoS or Regent has been eliminated, and the monarch now has the power to remove titles at his pleasure without needing Parliament to discuss the issue, vote on it, and sign off on it. The latter would mean that with a strong enough case that Harry has deliberately attempted to damage the monarch, its heirs, and the institution, Charles can take that Sussex title with far less trouble.

Let's see what the memoir is like, and what happens with Harry's case against the Home Office. I imaginer Suella Braverman would be the last person on the planet to change RAVEC's decision for that spoilt twat if the High Court grants Judicial Review.

Let's see the Sussexes try to scream racism with Sunak as PM and Braverman as Home Secretary.

I just knew Meghan would elbow her way into the Nigerian Prince scam.

Why did she go to Malta? Was it one of those Finding your roots shows?

Stay away from the Maltese

R478, she got a magazine to sponsor a trip to Malta for her and companion, claiming that she had family roots there that she was going to investigate and write an article about. Ultimately, she didn't do anything of the kind and it turned out to be a travel article.

Will Harry refer to Sunak as his little Pakii friend?

Or will Meghan claim to have Indian roots when she finds out how much Sunak is worth? Then make a quick trip to London to check her roots & do the mince, doe eye bit as she tries to sidle up to him on the steps of #10. Will she force him to do a scarf fixing bit like William had to resort to in order to avoid her?

And, R480, didn't the Maltese who comped some (if not all her expenses) get no publicity from the results.

Sounds like they were Markled.

An elegant solution:

The King will extend the number of royals who can act as counsellors of state rather than replace the Duke of Sussex and the Duke of York, the Telegraph understands.

In a move that will help to keep the family peace, the Regency Act is expected to be amended to allow the Earl of Wessex and the Princess Royal to take on the roles.

By opting to create additional counsellors rather than relieve Prince Harry and Prince Andrew of their duties, the King will deftly solve a problem that had threatened to dog the early part of his reign while also preventing further family discord.

The move will effectively sideline the two Dukes, one of whom opted to leave the official working Royal family with the other effectively being sacked, without causing undue humiliation.

Can I just add the kind of deft footwork in the solution mooted above is proof of why the titles deprivation act 2.0 will never see the light of day. If Charles won't boot them as Counsellors of State you can be he's not going to back depriving them of their titles. The monarch wouldn't want that power or that vulnerability. That bill is a private member's bill from an opposition MP. I can think of at least half a dozen solid reasons why everybody would run in the opposite direction from it. The only place that wants it to happen is DL.

I'd like to see either of the Harkles argue that H would be a better Counselor of State than The Princess Royal. Or the Earl of Wessex.

They don't have to argue it, they've got rescue chickens... and racism.

The Markles have to be just a bit down in the mouth. They hadn't realized the Queen was so popular or how Charles would be welcomed. The Markles live in a world of reality TV/twitter influencers and they are Big Fish in a Small Pond. I think they overestimated their importance. Vastly.

Speaking of small ponds, la Markle has to go to fucking Indianapolis to get a fake award. Talk about downmarket.

The other day I got wondering if MM will try to talk him into returning to the UK at some point. After triumphant appearances in Indiana, crawling back is about all they've got left. Joke is, he'd probably hate the idea.

I am Big in Indianapolis! Des Moines here I come!

---HRH Meghan, THE Duchess of Sussex

R488 Neil Sean says next month, Harry and Meghan are going to London for the GQ Awards and some of the stuff they had to cancel because of the Queen's death.

R490, I meant return to the UK permanently, return to the fold. I'm not saying they could pull it off, but at some point, the money dries up, there's nobody interested in them, they have nothing. They're broke. Maybe Charles will pension them off to Italy or France or something, a la Windsors, here's your allowance now the shut the fuck up or there's no more where that comes from.

No way Markle can shut up. She's a world-class attention whore.

Oh I see. Yeah, I can see that. Frogmore Cottage may seem much better than before, now that they're social pariahs in Monteshitshow.

I get that Markle speaking at an Indianapolis Marriott is funny, but honestly... it really isn't any different from opening a Tesco in Yorkshire, which is the kind of thing she would have been relegated to if she'd stayed. She and Harry weren't top tier royals and would have done loads of boring grunt work for every Bond film premiere they might have snagged.

Would Charles really reward their bad behavior with a "pension" and living accommodations? Charles should know better than to negotiate with terrorists.

As far as I know Wallis and Edward never bad-mouthed the BRF thus they got an allowance.

R494 the royals don't open Tescos. They open public works like hospital wings. And being relegated to grasping at never-heard-of awards in fucking Indianapolis is the equivalent to opening a Tesco.

R495, I wouldn't call it a reward, I'd call it silence, bought and paid for - on an instalment plan. They shut up, they get paid. They don't shut up, they don't get paid. It would only work once they're at a dead end and close to broke with no prospects. That day will come. They have no talents and increasing yuck factor with each passing month.

Harry's book is suppose to be released on Jan 10 2023.

They must have gutted it to about as interesting as one of his wife's podcasts.

Who publishes a book ten days into the new year? Everybody's broke and spent at the best of times.

Good point r499. It seems like Penguin want to bury it if that date is correct.

And when she finally destroys him utterly, then she will make like a ball and...

This bitch...

R502 I went to her ImDB profile and none of these are there - the other "documentaries" listed there should have given the game away in a few seconds. This is a hoax and the body language guy should have been smart enough to see it, he's only made himself look ridiculous by jumping on it. Even Meghan would know that any such listing would get her barred from the coronation in a heartbeat.

What is still there, however, is PEARL in the Projects Under Development section.

But the pub date of 10 January for Harry's memoir doesn't look like a hoax, it looks very much like a "Let's get this over with and cut our losses". If it's juicy, missing the Christmas market would have been unthinkable - the Ten Best Gift Books of the Season list??!! The book surrounded by holly and tinsel in all those shop windows? I suppose it's possible that they figure if it's juicy enough it doesn't matter when they publish it, but even so . . . can you imagine missing the year's single biggest sales opportunity? Publishing before people have paid their Christmas bills?

The other possibility is they're counting on pre-orders to beef up sales. Those would come in before Christmas, but would still be somewhat pointless in terms of hooking people who want to give it as a Christmas gift.

Remember, these publishers have had past experience with how little the Sussex title means if the book is crap (cf. THE BENCH).

For the record, I would rather have pencils stuck in my eyes than give a farthing to someone who sold his soul to Netflix for filthy lucre as it defamed his entire family.

On my tombstone: "He didn't watch the Oprah interview and never listened to a single Meghan podcast."

Hence, I SHALL RIP.

R503- I also have no desire or Intention of purchasing the book. It will all be posted online anyway, at least the best bits. What is your opinion about it? Best guess, I meant. Tame, lame, or does Harry go for scorched earth?

The Crown is still nothing if not cowardly. STILL refusing to cut the dead weight. It's a bad look still. Nothing will improve until William is King. Charles, like his mother is weak.

R504 To be honest, with these two guessing is a mug's game.

If you're holding a gun to my head, I would guess that because Harry and Meghan seem so staggeringly bereft of self-awareness, it will be a fucking wet mess of self self self self self and engender not sympathy and admiration, but ennui.

And it also seems clear that the Sussexes are now trying to shift their public personas away from shitting on the BRF. I think they can finally see that that horse is in the next county and it hasn't done them any favours, anyway. It's time to turn the page and open the Really Nice Us! chapter.

There's also the possibility that Harry knows that Papa Now King isn't going to take it up the arse from Harry any longer, and if Harry wants his kids to have those HRHs (although it is getting late in the day for that), or trust funds from Granddad, or to win his case for Judicial Review of RAVEC's decision . . . sticking it to the family right now isn't such a good idea.

The one thing I would be willing to put my hard-earned proverbial on is that it won't remotely endanger the monarchy.

So, the pub date of 10 January and the obvious eagerness of the Sussexes to start moving away from using the BRF as their personal whipping boy suggest a far tamer story. The publishers must have let Harry tone it down, or they'd never have skipped the Christmas sales market.

I dunno. What's your guess? R503

R505 Good Lord, he's been King for less than two months. The British government is imploding, he's planning a coronation, and a host of other issues are on the menu.

Harry and Andrew ARE cut. They are out, done, stick forks in them. Charles can't keep Harry from giving interviews and publishing books. Nor does he want to involve the government just now in a titles battle, they'd all I'm sure rather have root canals without anaesthesia right now.

It's got to settle. Especially with the government now taking a hand in assuring that Andrew and Harry can no longer automatically figure as a CoS or Regent. If the Titles bill goes through, Charles can wave his pen and take Harry's title with far less of a Parliamentary fracas.

It takes time. Remember, revenge is a dish best served cold.

As Captain Jack Sparrow kept intoning, ". . . the opportune moment . . ."

The titles bill won't happen. It is a DL fantasy.

The publication date is the day right after Catherine’s birthday. Just bury Meghan under a headstone that says ‘I Hate Kate.’

I've been shot down for saying it but I don't believe it either. r508. Parliament won't be restoring ANY power to the Monarch. That would be such a backward step. No matter how benign such a power may appear.

The titles bill won't happen but it doesn't need to. Everyone knows he's being sidelined and due to he disassociation with the royal family, eventually his titles will mean nothing, so there is no need to remove them.

Yes, but neither he nor Andrew should continue as counselors of state.

Nor would the monarch want it. The Titles Deprivation Act was passed in parliament to keep the crown out of it. No accident it was a one off then. That would have been the time to do it and they didn't. They did the opposite. Parliament was supreme. The sovereign may be the fount of honour but has personal control only over the Garter, the Thistle and the Royal Victorian Order. The rest is on the advice of the government. There is no process for removing titles because it rarely happens and is generally deeply unpleasant for everybody associated. A private members' bill from an opposition MP has about as much chance of passing under a Conservative majority as I do of becoming a counsellor of state. Anyway the MP was from York and it was a stunt for attention. Another principle is that of innocence until proven guilty, a fundamental part of justice. Whatever people may think or feel, he hasn't been charged with anything let alone convicted. That's important in principle. If morality is a condition of holding a title, there wouldn't be many, including those of the present king, who wasn't exactly a paragon of virtue from about 1980 - 1997.

But they aren't. r512. They stay eligible unfortunately . Think of counsellor of state as a mini regency but it needs two. Charles and William acted as CoS for the last opening of Parliament. It was a one day job. Similarly when the Queen was unconcious/dying. If the pool to choose CoS is expanded, then it can go forward that the Andrew and Harry types need not be considered.

It's a nice way to resolve it.

Does anyone else suspect that Harry and Andrew are closer than we know? They have so much in common, being useless, greedy, angry spares who have been booted from the inner circle, and who want to squeeze enough money out of their relatives to live like kings.

I like to think of them getting shitfaced whenever they're both in the same town, and slamming WIll and Kate, and spitballing bizarre methods to humiliate Charles into giving them unearned fortunes...

R506- I believe the book will land with a whimper, not a bang. My best guess is that her next move will be to enter into politics. It has been obvious for sometime to me that H&M have a few powerful/wealthy backers, one being OW. I think they /she is being backed for someone's political agenda. I will be shocked if she isn't really a republican. She was only identifying as a democrat for her fake woke image/persona/ fake humanitarian scam. The book will be page after page of deadly dull whining, narcissism, and self pity. I would prefer to volunteer for litter removal from the highway for a weekend.

r516. It wouldn't surprise me because Charles and Anne were always very close , and Diana spent a lot of time with the Yorks. Harry continued to holiday with the Yorks as an adult. Eug was a fair bit younger than him, but he ended up in her clubbing circle. Andrew and harry are both boorish thick and treat women like shit, of course they are pals.

She's far too lazy to be a politician. My guess would be a third rate Goop.

I'm curious about the sudden, I'm Nigerian & donating that Unknown amount donation to Nigeria.. Maybe looking to have Biden will appoint her Ambassador to Nigeria or to the UN. I mean the people dance in the streets on S. Africa when she married Harry. Actually, I think it was all over the continent. She could really impact life in all of Africa & the US

She is also an expert in Relations with Foreigners. Whoops I meant Foreign Relations. Didn't she go to S. America on a diplomacy gig. And we all can see how Very diplomatic she is in her daily life.

She clearly doesn't know how to lie well enough to be a politician. The desire is there, the skills are woefully lacking.

I can't believe that she hasn't already tried to launch a major lifestyle company/blog, I thought that's what the huge house with its massive gardens was for! For staging social media envy-bait, and shooting products for sale. If she hasn't, I suspect it's either because the Queen told the she'd yank their titles if it happened, or Harry refused to allow his home to be a social media showplace. I suspect Harry actually does want privacy for himself and his kids, he doesn't want them to grow up in the fishbowl that he did, and that would explain why Meg hasn't followed some of the more obvious paths to monetizing their fame.

As for politics... hah! A politician needs to be able to fool a good chunk of the people a good chunk of the time, and that's exactly what Meg has failed to do.

I know what they are r514. The fact is they stay eligible instead of being removed. So they are, in fact, still eligible.

Good Lord, r517 that's A lot of wishful thinking.

r494 The Royal family do not open Tescos or other supermarkets. That is something that british soapstars, reality tv stars do NOT royalty. This claim of supermarket openings keeps getting made yet it is completely untrue.

"I will be shocked if she isn't really a republican. "

I think she's one of those "swing" people, who votes or backs according to which party or candidates policies will benefit themselves the most. Ethics or the common good don't enter into their thinking.

Harry, of course, has never really thought about politics.

r510 I thought the titles bill was about the exact OPPOSITE of restoring power to the monarch but rather gives mps in parliament the power to strip titles away.

r523. OK, you understand eligible. Do you understand in post? Or, you might be eligible for a free ticket to an event, were you an attendee? Do you see there is a difference?

Meghan cannot function in uncontrolled or spontaneous situations. She could never be in politics because she needs to read from a script in order to be coherent. Interacting with donors and constituents is impossible for her.

Has it ever happened that a Counsellor of State had to stand in for a monarch?

Yes, Charles and William opened parliament

SA r527, it's you that has it arse about tit. It is really not a great bill, even if it is from Labour York. No way are the HoL voting for this.

r532 Read the latter part of the first sentence in your link,it creates a mechanism for mps to publicly recommend a title removal to the monarch.It is a deft way to ensure a mechanism for the buck to be passed to politicians if the monarch does not want to take the heat.

Lady C went ballistic about it because of that and the disguised intent of the bill

I wouldn't expect any royals to lose their titles any time soon, not when there are a few dozen bent tory peers.

When your brand is based on lying and whining, it's pretty difficult to get people to buy your products.

5 Times Meghan Markle Shoved Harry Out Of The Way so She Can Steal The Limelight.

That needs mad Dusty for the soundtrack r536.

[quote]the staff at the store on her recent pap stroll in Montecito were instructed not to speak to her.

Did they even need to?

[quote]If the Titles bill goes through, Charles can wave his pen and take Harry's title

Oh, God, not another bloody pen.

[quote] The book will be page after page of deadly dull whining, narcissism, and self pity. I would prefer to volunteer for litter removal from the highway for a weekend.

Well, someone will need to pick up all those copies of the book thrown from cars.

Does anyone think the Harkles are already separated?

Yes, at birth.

[quote]Harry, of course, has never really thought

Fixed.

R536, seeing all those occasions, one after the other, it's not an accident that this happens, is it?

In fact, in the second one, it looks like she elbow jabbed him in the side so she could go first.

What a pushy, pushy bitch.

Here's the clip, R474.

It happened during a visit to a school in Sussex.

I'm was constantly r544. Over and over again.

If I was the owner of that shop and on duty that day, the minute she walked through the door I would have started chatting to her. If Meghan kicked off about it I would have spilled the beans before she was even back in her car. I would also have refused any special discounts.

R511 The titles Bill IS happening. It's past its first stage. If it hasn't died in Committee its moving.

And you have to understand that the power to remove titles is no longer the huge political power it once was. They know no one is going to head to France or Scotland to raise an army to come back and take back their titles, land, and castles.

At this point in time it takes a minor but public headache off Parliament's desk and leaves it with the King, who can take the flack and the glory.

The government finds the monarchy still very useful. The public support it.

Harry is trying to place further burdens on the UK taxpayer. Andrew is still doing so.

At this point, a little more power to the monarch re essentially meaningless titles isnt restoring much power at all.

It's not Richard II and the Duke of Lancaster any longer.

Harry memoir is called "Spare". It's like he wants us to roast him...

It must be the trend now, cropped full face photos on covers. Meghan has had two, now Harry.

Harry’s has an Afghanistan/African savanna colorway—his greatest successes.

R512 If they're "removed" the monarchy and the government get another bonfire if headlines which do neither any good.

This way, they are, sovtovspeak, quietly defanged.

The message will be lost on no one, and the bonfire headlines are instead reduced to damp squibs.

The TIMES article on the subject is titled, "Dukes will never deputize for the King" .

It's the smart move. It kills two dukes with one stone, but leaves the corpses unmutilated.

^And if he needs two, KC3 can deputise now Camilla and William, William and Edward, or Edward and Anne . . .

Even the title of Harry's book reeks of self-pity.

I expect they are counting on heavy pre-order sales to offset the slump if the book gets lame reviews.

Well shit. Weeks ago I was going to predict “spare” as the title. Swear to God. But the page wouldn’t load or something. I also knew the cover photo would be an unflinching head-on closeup. His expression is angrier than i envisioned though.

"Prince Harry"? Everyone knows he is anything but a prince. Scumbag, traitor, ingrate, useless, stupid, amoral are just a few titles that come to mind.

A book "that will inspire millions"?!! The jokes never end with these two villainous cartoon characters.

I knew Harry’s cover and title would look like Agassi’s, since it’s the same co-author. The book will probably have the same tone as well.

Title should have been Whiny Little Bitch. WLB for short.

[quote] the staff at the store on her recent pap stroll in Montecito were instructed not to speak to her. Did they even need to?

Well, *someone* had to hand her the shopping bag, invite her to fill it with free merchandise and make sure the pap cameras got a good angle.

For entertainment purposes only:

S.P.A.R.E . . .

Sullen Prick Acting Really Evolved

Other contributions welcome.

Sus Prince Acting Really Entitled

Stupid Prat Angrily Rants Everlong

Supposed Prince Airing Repetitive Elegies

Self-absorbed Pothead Annoying Relentlessly Evermore

Cover photo

That bill is only at second reading. It's got so many chances to die it should be in ICU.

It's not gonna happen.

Marked down already

It's being marked down by 50% months before it's even on sale! Hilarious!

THANK YOU r545! It looked different in my memory. I remembered football jerseys in Africa.

Many thanks to you!

R529- I have three words:. Margie Taylor Green.

SPARE..A deep & touching personal memoir how I lost that unsightly roll of fat.

Included are menus, exercise chats &helpful mind expanding tips to be the man you want to be.

Coming soon, to a bookstore near you ...

Sorry, this page wasn't loading completely, so I didn't see that the official release statement was already posted.

The way they're advertising it, it doesn't seem like a nasty tell-all. So, maybe Harry was able to make his changes.

I really hope this isn’t a “saved by the love of a good woman” story.

Maybe Meghan makes him feel loved. Maybe she is “maternal” with him. Maybe they are completely different at home together.

But I doubt it.

It seems they’ve erased the co-author—or maybe he erased himself after Meghan edited the manuscript?

Why do narcissists do the “swooping in to fix this dysfunctional situation” thing, anyway?

You’d think the narcissist would put their own needs first and say “I deserve something better.”

Harry is holding onto fuzzy scraps on top of his head, surprised Meghan doesn’t do something about it. He looks like shit.

I roared at R566!

[quote]SPARE..A deep & touching personal memoir how I lost that unsightly roll of fat.

And the sequel: SPARE TIRE.. An embarassed memoir of marriage to an unsightly roll of fat.

If he did turn it into 400 pages of podcast, that's really bad for them. Archegripes is slowly sinking in the ratings. Now the book is discounted at birth. Who'd want to invest in them going forward?

R574, Moeringer isn’t mentioned on the cover of Agassi’s autobiography either. There used to be books subtitled “as told to….” Is that style out of fashion?

Well , I will say this for Harry. He is putting on a valiant, albeit hopeless, fight for his last remaining tufts of ugly red hair.

Happy to be of help, R568. Your description was spot on otherwise!

'SPARE'? What a whiner.

The best revenge is living well, not acting butthurt about not being first in line.

When I was in publishing you wanted the book released before Christmas. They must know this will bomb.

George V and George VI were both spares until their 20s and 40s respectively. .They seemed to have no problem with it and kept things together. They probably would actually have preferred to remain in Harry’s position.

Here... it's ridiculous, but this is a diversion. I miss her. Not in the sense that I knew her, obviously, but I miss the idea of her. The times have changed.

Youtube is taking control of me!

Call it SPARSE in honor of the spare's disappearing hair.

SPARE-KLE: Harry's Wife Interprets Harry's Life

I think the fever's broken with this last one.

[quote]a remarkably moving personal journey from trauma to healing

So he's getting a divorce from her?

That cover shot is the old trick of shooting below the missing hairline

[quote]the staff at the store on her recent pap stroll in Montecito were instructed not to speak to her

And we had NO problem with it.

My husband just looked at the cover of "Spare" and said, "They washed out all his freckles!"

Twitter wins

Now William should publish a book called "Heir."

New thread ahead >>>>>

The cover makes him look remarkably like Henry VIII.

Same mean expression, same close-set little eyes in a face that's starting to pork up.

That title sounds like he is playing the victim. Not a good look.

"George V and George VI were both spares until their 20s and 40s respectively. .They seemed to have no problem with it and kept things together. "

George VI had serious troubles with the role, haven't you seen "The King's Speech"? He was a stammering anxiety disorder case, and Queen Eliabeth always believed that the strain of being king was why he died comparatively young.

[quote] ...He was a stammering anxiety disorder case

True, but it was not because he was the spare. Or because of anxiety about stepping up to the King role.

His symptoms were there from childhood and the abdication of his brother would have been a nightmare because of his long term problem.

His stammering was a result of his vicious nanny and perhaps his martinet father. He also smoked at least a pack a day since the age of fourteen.