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The Future of Turner Classic Movies

TCM premiered in 1994 and honed very quickly into an aesthetic formula that worked like a charm and remained unchanged for over two decades. Commercial free, between programs they'd run in-channel bumpers that gave the station a casual jazz club-meets-sophisticated evening block party atmosphere. With the warm, friendly, and knowledgable Robert Osborne at the helm, you felt you were in good hands as a viewer, in the presence of a mentor or neighbor who delighted in sharing his love of film. Interesting guest hosts would join Osborne to talk about the movies that meant so much to them, as a film lover or participant. There was a monthly magazine and eventually a wine club, and for several years, the TCM cruise was a big draw that held the promise of meeting Old Hollywood stars as you sailed to glamorous locales. The TCM Film Festival was another major event that attracted stars and viewers alike. There was no need to stray from this formula.

Of course, the very nature of TCM, what made it such a refuge for lovers of classic film, meant it wasn't going to last forever. Robert Osborne, and many of the guests who contributed to Hollywood's Golden Age, have died. The few major players still left standing are 80+, and less likely to make public appearances in a post-Covid world.

Ben Mankiewicz, whose ancestral lineage provided a direct link to film's early years, lent an air of legitimacy to his role as Osborne's successor, though he lacks his mentor's charm. Contrasting Robert Osborne as the sole captain of the ship, TCM now has a regular roster of younger hosts who introduce the films. In addition to Ben Mankiewicz, there's Australian Alicia Malone (sweet but bland), resident homosexual Dave Karger, and my personal favorite, Jacqueline Stewart, Director and President of the newly opened Academy Museum in Los Angeles.

Not wanting to become a relic of the past, these last few years have seen TCM slowly revamp their image, little-by-little replacing the classic logo and bumpers with slick, modernized versions that seem aimed at an audience that isn't there. This new imagery has a midcentury feel, but the music borders on discordant and bares no relation to the established brand or the subject at hand. One positive change, TCM has made a concerted effort to be more inclusive, spotlighting films and filmmakers from marginalized communities, redefining what it means to be a "classic."

So what's next for TCM, as the last stars of the Golden Age of Hollywood continue to fade away into the ether? What will become of the Film Festival and the Classic Cruise, when there's no longer anyone around who can say "I was there"?

I for one hope they tap into their own nostalgia, and instead of pandering to the audience they hope to have, value those of us who are already tuning in and will never go away. The original brand was about honoring the past and we can still do that, and reframe it, while looking to the future. A brand doesn't have to be on the cutting edge to be popular. In this case, the more time that goes by, the more potent the nostalgic pull will become. To say nothing of the films themselves, which are timeless.

I leave you with a montage of some bumpers and promos of TCM past. Hard to believe 2009 feels so long ago. Watching these promos I feel a sense of comfort and a pang of sadness, and I'm reminded of how much I love the movies.

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by Anonymousreply 103October 26, 2022 3:49 PM

Like almost all of DataLounge’s resident elder gays, my husband and I love TCM.

TCM launched the year we started dating (1994) and we’ve been devoted viewers - learning so much about film history and mid century American culture.

I do wish they would play more of the classic Fox and Paramount catalogues - since those are the big gaps in their programming - but I know they don’t own the rights.

by Anonymousreply 1October 14, 2022 10:08 PM

They suffer from only owning the archives of a couple of studios. They've shown those films over and over again and now they pretty much only show the popular ones. They should buy or rent the "missing" studios' films from the Golden Era - Paramount, Universal, Columbia, Fox, Republic, etc. They actually were showing Columbia films for a short time, but they stopped for some reason. We've all seen the MGM, Warner Brothers and RKO films they've been showing for 30 years now.

by Anonymousreply 2October 15, 2022 3:25 AM

They fucking show Sounder every three months.

by Anonymousreply 3October 15, 2022 3:27 AM

OP I have news for you. Warner Bros. is going bye-bye soon. TCM is going to be at whim of likely new owner Comcast and it’s likely there will be no incentive for paying homage to the tradition of Ted Turner’s original incarnation.

by Anonymousreply 4October 15, 2022 3:37 AM

Incredibly well-written post, OP. I really enjoyed it.

by Anonymousreply 5October 15, 2022 7:27 AM

They've lost or sold a significant chunk of their library, which explains why they air the same movies so often (I think The Shop Around the corner airs every month now). They no longer have a Disney night, which I really miss.

by Anonymousreply 6October 15, 2022 9:45 AM

So, American gays, is TCM free TV or do you have to pay for it? There are no commercials, right?

In Krautlandia, we unfortunately do not have such an opportunity, although I do get Criterion Channel and there are old movies on youtube.

by Anonymousreply 7October 15, 2022 10:15 AM

[quote]TCM is going to be at whim of likely new owner Comcast and it’s likely there will be no incentive for paying homage to the tradition of Ted Turner’s original incarnation.

I could see TCM being completely folded under HBO, which would not necessarily be a bad thing because as it is now, their library of content continues to diminish. But I think TCM has a niche thing going & I don't see it going away entirely. I recently subscribed to the Criterion Channel & I don't think it's that great and certainly no TCM replacement. Plus, I kind of like the film nerds on TCM telling back stories about the movies you love.

by Anonymousreply 8October 15, 2022 11:49 AM

I actually do think TCM as a brand will probably be retired following a Comcast merger. It will probably be renamed Universal Classics or something.

by Anonymousreply 9October 15, 2022 12:03 PM

It lost me when Comcast moved it to an extra-cost sports package, which I was definitely not getting.

by Anonymousreply 10October 15, 2022 12:06 PM

It was removed from my cable package a few years ago and I was pissed since I already pay a ton for extra channels and it’s now bundled with a lot of crap stations that I refuse to pay for.

Anyway, I truly enjoyed it when I had access. OP’s insightful post is right on: the value isn’t the movies, which you can rent from many sources, but the commentary.

by Anonymousreply 11October 15, 2022 12:12 PM

No Deanna Durbin movies is a deal breaker for me.

by Anonymousreply 12October 15, 2022 12:18 PM

[quote]What will become of the Film Festival and the Classic Cruise, when there's no longer anyone around who can say "I was there"?

Have you seen who's on the TCM cruise this year? Richard Dreyfuss. Chevy Chase. Lainie Kazan. Deana Martin (seriously). Pat Boone. I wouldn't want to be stuck on a ship with any of them.

by Anonymousreply 13October 15, 2022 12:24 PM

Keep in mind that Universal owns the pre-1948 Paramount library as well as Alfred Hitchcock’s Paramount films. A combined Comcast/WBD would likely control the majority of classic Hollywood titles - possibly in the realm of 60-70 percent of them (everything but the Fox, Columbia, RKO and United Artists libraries).

by Anonymousreply 14October 15, 2022 12:26 PM

r14 Doesn't WB already control UA (via MGM) and RKO libararies?

by Anonymousreply 15October 15, 2022 12:40 PM

I used to love TCM, but it's had its day. Everything that made it stand apart is gone now (including Robert O. and the many classic film stars that used to pop up in interviews and intros) and younger generations refuse to watch anything pre-2000.

I absolutely loved Filmstruck while it existed, but they couldn't make a profit. There just aren't enough classic film fans around anymore, I guess. It's very sad.

by Anonymousreply 16October 15, 2022 12:41 PM

I usually have either TCM or the Fox Movie Channel (noe owned by Disney) on in the background when I'm at home. (Mostly because I hate commercials, although the Fox channel has them when they're showing newer movies)

by Anonymousreply 17October 15, 2022 12:45 PM

The death knell gonged louder when the cunts at Comcast removed it from my line-up and made it an "add on" with a bunch of football games, which I wasn't going to pay for. And I'm not alone in my disgust.

In any case, I was watching it less and less as they got more and more painfully, self-consciously apologetic about this great cultural legacy. Happily, I've got hundreds of recordings off the channel in my library dating back to the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 18October 15, 2022 1:49 PM

They do repeat classics a lot but it’s still a great channel. I saw the legendary as in bad musical The Kissing Bandit, It had a cool dance sequence featuring Ann Miller, Ricardo Montalban and Cyd Charisse I love the big budget flops! Hopefully TCM is forever.

by Anonymousreply 19October 15, 2022 2:10 PM

I will also add that I don’t think the natural audience for TCM, seniors (now the Baby Boom generation), watches TCM. Baby boomers watch Fox News and Hallmark all day.

I think TCM will probably fold post WBD buyout and exist as rotating a la carte items on Universal Plus or whatever the combined streaming service will be called.

by Anonymousreply 20October 15, 2022 2:17 PM

I think it has suffered because of streaming and the availability of so much competing content. There are only so many TV watching hours in a day!

by Anonymousreply 21October 15, 2022 2:33 PM

Verizon FIOs finally has TCM in HD. I discovered it the other day...230 was the usual SD channel, but went to 730. That's the HD channel...also it says TCM HD on the bottom of the screen. Quite frankly, I don't see much difference.

by Anonymousreply 22October 15, 2022 2:38 PM

I installed the TCM app on my Roku so I could watch the films on demand and I have noticed a lot of repetition. I rarely watch anything on there anymore. But the more annoying thing is that they now make you log back in to the channel every week. Some channel extensions that you get for free if you have a cable or satellite package make you sign in once a month to make sure you're still up to date and paying for it, and I get that, but once a week is excessive and ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 23October 15, 2022 4:16 PM

They've actually started to show a few Deanna Durbin films -- "Lady on a Train", "Mad about Music' and "For the Love of Mary" have recently been shown. She's wonderful!

by Anonymousreply 24October 15, 2022 4:21 PM

Sean Young is also going to be on the cruise!

by Anonymousreply 25October 15, 2022 4:24 PM

They should offer a second cruise … WITHOUT Chevy Chase.

It would sell out faster.

by Anonymousreply 26October 15, 2022 5:30 PM

I ❤️ Ben Mankiewicz!

by Anonymousreply 27October 15, 2022 6:25 PM

They can shelve the Kay Francis movies, if you ask me. Ditto, the Tim Holt “B” westerns. Put “ A Letter to Three Wives” back in the canister, too. I’ve seen it too many times.

by Anonymousreply 28October 15, 2022 7:08 PM

So many of the classic films are available on YouTube and other streaming channels and apps. And I like Dave Mankiewicz, but after Osborne died, there’s no reason for me to watch the channel. I truly adored Robert Osborne.

by Anonymousreply 29October 15, 2022 8:16 PM

Ben, not Dave Mankiewicz, sorry…

by Anonymousreply 30October 15, 2022 8:16 PM

I had the pleasure of having dinner with Robert several times. He never had a mean word for anyone — except for Gary Morton. :)

by Anonymousreply 31October 15, 2022 9:02 PM

R10: They lost me for the same reason. I especially miss those fabulous, Pre-Code films, and the foreign films TCM ran.

by Anonymousreply 32October 15, 2022 9:13 PM

[quote]So, American gays, is TCM free TV or do you have to pay for it? There are no commercials, right?

Yes, R7. Pay for and no commercials. It's a cable/satellite channel but it's usually a "basic cable" channel so it's included with the lowest cost package. Tho some providers do put in it a more costly channel grouping, it's not a "premium" cost channel like HBO.

It's one of the few, if perhaps the only, "basic cable" channel that doesn't have commercials. But TCM makes up for that by having devoted fans who buy lots of TCM branded product and attend highpriced TCM events.

by Anonymousreply 33October 16, 2022 11:26 AM

R3...And, Whatever Happened To Baby Jane?...An American In Paris....The Philadelphia Story, and a few others. They are good movies, but I don't need to see them ad nauseam.

by Anonymousreply 34October 16, 2022 1:28 PM

It’s my go-to channel. Not Netflix, HBO, Prime - TCM always has something I want to watch. I usually sort by “Expires Soon” so I maximize what I see. I’m not even an old (pre-1950) film fan - I love the 1970s mostly. They had Klute this month - which is one of my favorite films that I’ve watched a dozen times. They’ve had some great 60s films lately too. Watched The Girls of Rochefort Friday night - a film I’ve never heard about. Same director as Umbrellas of Cherbourg - but a totally campy, colorful, cheesy musical instead.

I can search Netflix or Prime for 30 minutes and find nothing that greatly appeals. Within 5 minutes, I always find something on TCM. I love TCM.

by Anonymousreply 35October 16, 2022 1:54 PM

There's another good old/new movie channel...FXM. I watched three 60s movies I haven't seen in ages, with no commercials. They show current movies, too. Sometimes they do have commercials, but not too bad. These movies I haven't seen on TCM. This is part of a package on my cable....along with TCM.

by Anonymousreply 36October 16, 2022 3:47 PM

TCM is the main reason I pay $65/mo for YouTubeTV (that and the unlimited DVR). Yes, they play some of the same movies over and over- (I think they show “The Last of Sheila” every other month) but the special programming really stands out. I finally was able to see “Wanda” on TCM during their women director series, and just about a week ago they showed “Chameleon Street” in their black independents series. Who else is showing a wide variety of silent films if that is your thing?

I love their yearly archival & restoration night. And just today I discovered “This Happy Breed” a wonderful David Lean/Noel Coward Technicolor from the 40s on my DVR from several months ago.

I wish I could find a cheaper alternative (or even better lived in a city with lots of great movie houses like NYC) but who has time to watch all that is available?

by Anonymousreply 37October 16, 2022 3:50 PM

R37 Check out movieland.tv (it's a free streaming channel). They have tons of obscure classic films. I'm fact, This Happy Breed is one of them!

by Anonymousreply 38October 16, 2022 3:56 PM

Silent films are great....who knew? The acting is all about body and facial movements and expressions. Plus, I love to see how people dressed and lived back then. The stories are surprisingly good. To think that these movies are just about, and 100+ years old...blows my mind.. lol. The stunts (very dangerous) were all done without special effects. I love Buster Keaton, Chaplin and Lloyd.

by Anonymousreply 39October 16, 2022 3:57 PM

Also, the restorations are amazing. There was a time that it was impossible to view these silent films. The restorations are so good...that sometimes the movie looks more contemporary.

by Anonymousreply 40October 16, 2022 3:59 PM

R37 If you have T-Mobile (phone and/or internet), you can sometimes get YouTubeTV for $10 off for at least a whole year.

by Anonymousreply 41October 16, 2022 5:17 PM

Just a few weeks ago TCM had a bunch of pre-code films, some silents, and a couple of Chaplins that I specifically remember.

They still show fantastic content although it's usually on at tricky times, which is where DVRs come in handy.

The only thing I'm HATING about the new format is their re-dating older films with their restoration dates which is just a pain in the ass.

FXM is also showing some good content, although their quality is all over the place.

by Anonymousreply 42October 16, 2022 6:24 PM

I'm 27 and love watching it. Didn't realize they were missing studios

by Anonymousreply 43October 16, 2022 6:29 PM

I have a Roku and I don't have to sign in to TCM every week. I might have had to sign in when I had to get a new cable box last month but that's the first time I'd have to do it in years.

But for those who have a Roku, there is an alternative to TCM if it ever goes (which would kill me) - Roku has a channel called Classic Reel that has tons of classic films. It's only $2.99 a month.

by Anonymousreply 44October 16, 2022 6:35 PM

I have to disagree to much of what OP said. I think TCM is still great, and it desperately needed a little rebranding after Robert Osborne passed away. Ben M and the crew do a fine job. Considering that most people haven't seen a single film made before 1980, TCM is needed more than ever. And it's a very strong, internationally-known brand, so I'd be stunned if it was phased out after the merger.

by Anonymousreply 45October 16, 2022 6:37 PM

[quote] I have a Roku and I don't have to sign in to TCM every week. I might have had to sign in when I had to get a new cable box last month but that's the first time I'd have to do it in years.

Interesting. I have no idea why I have to keep re-signing in. I do for Showtime Anytime also, but that's usually once a month.

by Anonymousreply 46October 16, 2022 8:14 PM

I was and still am a huge admirer of TCM. I watch it via an app called SlingTV. I pay extra to record content, 200 hours, and have my favorites on that DVR storage.

Robert Osborne was so refined and telegenic, but I also enjoy Ben Mankiewicz, also Alicia Malone and Eddie Muller. Dave Karger is good, too, but I see less of him. Jacqueline Stewart is good, and the head is the Academy of Motion Pictures Museum, and I think a MacArthur Genius Award recipient.

I really miss Filmstruck, the mobile application, but now have Criterion. That has some interesting content, but the app itself is badly engineered, twitchy and not intuitive to use. Sling also relaunched in an irritating form that looks more like a cable television. Interface. That’s distracting.

by Anonymousreply 47October 16, 2022 8:57 PM

Roku has a couple of classic film channels, but they show mostly second rate B movies.

by Anonymousreply 48October 16, 2022 11:15 PM

I stopped watching TCM after it was removed from a basic cable package and put into an extra sports, that's right, a SPORTS package. Of course if you wanted to keep watching TCM you had to get the sports package which was an added expense. It was a shame. I think they lost a lot of viewers that way.

by Anonymousreply 49October 16, 2022 11:19 PM

[quote]Of course if you wanted to keep watching TCM you had to get the sports package which was an added expense. It was a shame.

My cable has a similar set up; it was taken from the basic cable package into some sort of "super" package with a bunch of sports channels I don't like.

As far as TCM going away, I used to subscribe to Dish & at various times they've been in pissing wars with entertainment companies & refuse to pay increased rates. When people lost TCM (including me), however, they were *pissed*. So even if it is olds, TCM has enough of a fanbase that it will land somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 50October 17, 2022 12:09 AM

One of the things that stopped me from cutting the cord for some long was TCM. I always had it on, even the background. The only time I would turn it off was when they showed a movie that were made after 1960 (my own personal hangup). Then my cable provider moved it to some kind of special sports tiers and I said fuck it and cut the cord. I wasn't going to pay for a sports package just to watch TCM.

I was recently in a hotel and saw it and realized that the spell was broken. It wasn't the same. I still like Ben Mankiewicz and Eddie Muller, but they showed a bunch of films from the 70s and 80s. I was not happy about that. Luckily HBO Max has some of the TCM classics.

by Anonymousreply 51October 17, 2022 12:19 AM

I hope someone from TCM reads these comments. There is much appreciation for that channel. Thank you, TCM! Don't change too much, and continue as you're doing.

by Anonymousreply 52October 17, 2022 2:31 AM

I enjoy seeing some of the newer movies....mixed in the the classic/old movies. I like the diversity.

by Anonymousreply 53October 17, 2022 2:33 AM

R31

My snoopy, gossipy ears are burning. I’d love to hear what he had to say about Gary Morton if you’d care to divulge.

I wish Desi had been a better husband. I think they really had something so wonderful there, for a while anyway,.

I bet Robert Osborne was fabulous company. Good conversationalist.

by Anonymousreply 54October 17, 2022 3:21 AM

I disagree with the OP and agree with several posters here. TCM is still a great channel and it still serves a much-needed purpose and I think, overall, it's handling it well.

The death of Robert Osbourne and the loss of certain film rights have been challenging, but I still watch TCM. While none of them will ever have the presence of Osbourne, I do like Ben, Alicia, Dave and Jacqueline, and Eddie Muller for Noir Alley.

I also like the mix of newer content with the classics. In one day, they played both Singin' in the Rain and Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me. You can't say there is no variety.

I also like the push to contextualize the films and discuss films that are problematic but TCM still screens them. I think they are doing a good job of remaining what their purpose has always been, but also trying to capture the attention of younger viewers.

by Anonymousreply 55October 17, 2022 3:37 AM

OP, the new music stings are a bit odd but I’m getting used to them because I generally keep TCM on all day. I honestly would be crushed if anything happens to this channel. I’ve learned so much about exquisite movies, forgotten actors, directors, and even other crew members than I ever did in film school. I have my favorite hosts and still get excited when I realize a favorite actor or theme is being featured that day. I would even consider going on a TCM cruise one day.

by Anonymousreply 56October 17, 2022 3:42 AM

I would also love to go on one of the TCM cruises.

This year Sean Young is a guest. SEAN YOUNG!!

That is both alternately terrifying and alluring.

by Anonymousreply 57October 17, 2022 3:57 AM

I absolutely hate the new TCM jingle. It is so jarring and discordant. The flashing letters are practically seizure or at least ocular migraine inducing.

I have the same problem of having to sign in to TCM every time I want to watch it, but on my laptop not my tv.

Another issue I have is that I can’t save movies to my watchlist on my laptop or iPad, only on my tv or sometimes on my phone. And I’m really sick of the EXPIRED notice on movies that are still there.

by Anonymousreply 58October 17, 2022 3:59 AM

I met Sean Young at a party a few years ago. She's actually very nice as is her husband. She still looked very good too and was getting ready for a theater gig at the time. She's experienced both the very highs and the very lows that being a star can bring. What was the big deal of her doing a publicity stunt to get Catwoman? She was originally supposed to be the leading lady of the Michael Keaton "Batman" but had to drop out due to an accident. I thought she was especially good in film commedies.

by Anonymousreply 59October 17, 2022 6:01 AM

comedies,that is

by Anonymousreply 60October 17, 2022 6:02 AM

Nothing and no one could ever replace or measure up to Robert Osborne, who I miss terribly. That being said, I think the group of hosts on TCM now are decent stewards of the brand. I could do without the commercial that they run every so often where the hosts just talk about how much they love each other, but they’re all appealing in their respective ways.

And even though the TCM library is limited, they do a good job of showing films that they’ve licensed from other studios—you just need to catch them within a two week window before they expire.

Here’s hoping TCM sticks around for a long time to come.

by Anonymousreply 61October 17, 2022 6:22 AM

Someone punched out Mrs. Cleaver (Barbara Billingsley) last night on "Noir Alley"! I mean, where else in the world can one see that? It was a fun movie, and Eddie Muller really got me into film noir, especially early on at the start of the pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 62October 17, 2022 6:31 AM

I like Ben Mankiewicz. I follow him on a Twitter. He doesn’t seem to like republiqans.

by Anonymousreply 63October 17, 2022 1:47 PM

Ben sometimes appears on The Young Turks as a guest commentator.

by Anonymousreply 64October 17, 2022 2:47 PM

Sometimes Ben appears on CBS Sunday Morning, interviewing a celebrity.

by Anonymousreply 65October 17, 2022 2:59 PM

I'm not a big fan of Ben; while he doesn't know his stuff, his smug & smarmy routine gets old quickly. But I do like the other hosts, even Dave who seems like an AI rather than an actual human being.

by Anonymousreply 66October 17, 2022 3:19 PM

sorry - he *does* know his stuff - he seems knowledgeable, just kind of annoying

by Anonymousreply 67October 17, 2022 3:20 PM

I also had to take a sports package to keep TCM a couple of years ago.....ugh!

I like Ben and Dave and Eddie is okay, but he sure talks a lot! Alicia i don't enjoy so much since she went on that horrible rant about John Wayne one time when they were showing THE SEARCHERS......and Jacqueline is all about the woke, the black, and how awful all of these old movies are to have presented African Americans in such a way......she just HAS to educate us about our ignorance and and share her golden insight....or rather PREACH to us.

I usually just mute Alicia & JaQuellen until the movie starts......

by Anonymousreply 68October 17, 2022 3:33 PM

I usually scan through the TCM online guide every week to see if there is anything I want to DVR. A month or so back they had a string Friday night - early Saturday morning of edgy, quasi experimental films. I think this is programmed every month or so, as “TCM Slumberground”. Last offering was a set of films by GGRC (Gay Girls Riding Club). Most of it was pretty bad drag queen shorts; Always on Sunday, What Really Happened to Baby Jane. Most were black and white, no dialog, take offs on camp feature films (Never on Sunday, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane), however the last one was a pretty high production value feature length with full frontal male nudity! Surprised the hell out of me! In this same programming offering I’ve seen Pink Flamingos, Desperate Living, and a truly awful B&W drag queen romp “Fleshpot on 42nd Street” with Harry Reems (credited as Bob Walters). See below for a YouTube link to the TCM commentary prior to the September 30 broadcast.

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by Anonymousreply 69October 17, 2022 4:30 PM

Isn't Elizabeth Puchell now FTM Evan Purchell?

by Anonymousreply 70October 17, 2022 4:32 PM

[quote] In one day, they played both Singin' in the Rain and Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me. You can't say there is no variety.

What you CAN say is that they usually show "Singin' in the Rain" multiple times every month.

by Anonymousreply 71October 17, 2022 6:16 PM

I'll always love TCM, but ScreenPix (Epix's classic-movie channel) is a decent supplement, as are Canada's Hollywood Suite channels (if you have a VPN).

by Anonymousreply 72October 17, 2022 6:42 PM

R72, do you subscribe to Screenpix through them directly or through Amazon? I am doing it through Amazon and I'm not super impressed with their selection, but I also know that sometimes when you subscribe to a channel through Amazon, the film selections are narrowed down. I haven't noticed a ton of pre-70s movies on Screenpix through Amazon.

by Anonymousreply 73October 17, 2022 6:57 PM

^ I subscribe through YouTube TV. I like it for the '70s and '80s selections (you're right that there's not a lot of pre-'70s stuff).

by Anonymousreply 74October 17, 2022 7:45 PM

Gotcha, thanks. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing this treasure trove of older movies. (I like the 70s and 80s stuff, too.)

by Anonymousreply 75October 17, 2022 7:49 PM

I also subscribe to a couple of bootleg IPTV services with good selections of classics and obscure/cult movies on-demand. For example, I've been making my way through Liz Taylor's "total crap" period of the late '60s to early '70s ([italic]Boom!, Secret Ceremony, X, Y and Zee, and Night Watch[/italic]). Over the weekend I also watched [italic]Susan Slade[/italic] and Doris Wishman's [italic]Let Me Die a Woman.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 76October 17, 2022 8:01 PM

I’ve seen Susan Slade on TCM several times.

by Anonymousreply 77October 19, 2022 2:31 AM

They've really stretched the definition of "classic." Check out tomorrow night's schedule:

Greased Lightning

Friday Foster

Hit Man

Cleopatra Jones (with Shelley Winters as "Mommy")

Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold

by Anonymousreply 78October 19, 2022 2:39 AM

[quote]One positive change, TCM has made a concerted effort to be more inclusive, spotlighting films and filmmakers from marginalized communities, redefining what it means to be a "classic."

I don't find this a positive change at all. Redefinging what it means to be a classic basically means you can call anything over 5 years old a classic. It's not. Turner Classic Movies was a name for a film library of golden age movies. I don't mind occasional showings of newer films, but that's not what this old movie channel was about. It used to be "movie heaven" as Lauen Bacall's voice intoned. I don't want a film school. Films and filmmakers from marginalized communities -- okay, once in a blue moon, if you have to. I'm not against those films, but when I turn on TCM I want to see Jimmy Stewart or Rosalind Russell, Bette Davis and Henry Fonda and Spencer Tracy. Garland, Astaire, Kelly, Sinatra, Lena Horne. Ford, DeMille, Minnelli, Cukor, Wyler, Hitchcock. Not, with all due respect Eva DuVernay.

by Anonymousreply 79October 19, 2022 2:59 AM

*redefining

by Anonymousreply 80October 19, 2022 2:59 AM

I think Dave Karger is kind of sexy. He showed his thick, hairy legs on Instagram during the quarantine. I'll bet it's a nice, thick dick.

by Anonymousreply 81October 19, 2022 3:52 AM

He's got great legs.

by Anonymousreply 82October 19, 2022 3:56 AM

I don't find that Alicia and Jacqueline are "too woke". I think they are simply giving context to many of these films, and there is nothing wrong with that. They still air Gone With the Wind. I think it would be silly for TCM to not discuss the problematic elements of these films, especially in the current climate.

Last night they had Ben and Mario Cantone introducing some horror movies starring Shelley Winters. It was great. I love the variety on TCM.

by Anonymousreply 83October 19, 2022 3:59 AM

I can't stand the new climate on TCM where they have to basically apologize for the content in old movies. It's like people just discovered in the 2020s that old movies are not woke. Ben Mankiewicz seems to do it the most. Even on the podcast about Peter Bogdanovich, Ben had to say over and over, today we don't approve of older men dating younger women. Like, no one asked you to approve. We can form our own opinions or make up our own minds, We don't need TCM to be our parents.

by Anonymousreply 84October 19, 2022 4:07 AM

Dude it's in black and white!

by Anonymousreply 85October 19, 2022 4:12 AM

R76 they show Night Watch on TCM and you’re right, total crap. I forget how bad it is and record it by mistake.

R 83 exactly. I find all these new hosts mercifully benign, none of them are too positional, and none of them seem to aspire to form a cult of personality. I think they follow a tight standard to keep the film content front and center, to be informative but not distracting. Eddie Muller has the strongest “theme” in Noir Alley, but then he really is passionate, to the point of having a nonprofit foundation for restoring vulnerable prints of films.

Still, I really hate the TCM Wine advertisements, but I’m so glad they clipped out some of the wine curators, most especially the British lady who’s clip included “oh, are we taping now?”. What a drip she was.

I love the language of the pre-code films, phrase like “can that grouch and smile” and “Aw baby, don’t put on the chill like that”, “Say, are you making a play for that guy??” It’s really cool.

by Anonymousreply 86October 19, 2022 12:13 PM

Another thing I hate about TCM Now is that if you stop a movie in the middle, though it asks if you want to resume, it always takes you back to the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 87October 19, 2022 8:19 PM

I agree that their app is like some half-assed afterthought developed by some college kids over a long weekend. I recently had some problems after switching cable companies & went down a rabbit hole of complaints on websites about their app.

by Anonymousreply 88October 20, 2022 12:30 AM

Who was that young woman host a couple of yaers ago? She was horrible and they finally got rid of her.

by Anonymousreply 89October 20, 2022 1:16 AM

R13- I would want to be on a ship with Pat Boone in ca. 1959 when he appeared in Journey To The Center Of The Earth and he fell out of the tree NAKED and only had a sheep to cover his modesty in front of the Nuns- even as a gayling in the 1970's watching that scene on the 4:30 Movie - I found sexy.

by Anonymousreply 90October 20, 2022 1:22 AM

[quote]Who was that young woman host a couple of yaers ago? She was horrible and they finally got rid of her.

Tiffany! Their token Latinx.

by Anonymousreply 91October 20, 2022 3:25 AM

TCM is one of the better basic-cable networks. So many of the rest are cheap programming with incessant marathon reruns of series from the broadcast networks. And many of these are on programmers which used to have a specialty.

by Anonymousreply 92October 20, 2022 3:33 AM

I just got to see a wonderful little French film called "Avec le sourire" (1936) with Maurice Chevalier. He was one of the most charming men ever, I think. I wish TCM would show all the European films of the '30s and '40s, so that I don't have to buy them all. BTW, if you're looking for those kinds of films with English subtitles, go to moviedetective.net.

by Anonymousreply 93October 20, 2022 4:17 AM

R OP "(...) replacing the classic logo and bumpers with slick, modernized versions that seem aimed at an audience that isn't there."

I'm in their audience and really like the updated logo, a simple and elegant font. The hosts are enthusiastic and I like that too. I don't need late night comedians to moderate me through classic films, I want to hear stories from behind-the-scenes or an insight how reflective of the times the films were. TCM doesn't seem to have any buzz, I hope the channel isn't in danger to disappear.

by Anonymousreply 94October 20, 2022 6:33 AM

R68

I enjoy listening to a PhD discussing Hollywood history through the lens of race. It’s not overdone and she’s not scolding or a know it all.

by Anonymousreply 95October 20, 2022 5:32 PM

^I agree with this. You watch a black faced musical number in "Holiday Inn" and wonder how anyone ever thought that was a good idea, but she helps put those things in context

by Anonymousreply 96October 20, 2022 5:45 PM

Yeah, but anyone with a working brain could put those things in context without a woke scold yammering in their ear.

by Anonymousreply 97October 20, 2022 6:00 PM

Interesting, R84. A few months ago Ben introduced Woody Allen’s “Manhattan.” I didn’t hear him say a single word about the film’s “problematic” relationship between Woody and the teenage Mariel Hemingway.

Did I miss it? Or does TCM consider Woody Allen films beyond reproach?

(And to the anti-Mia troll: my question has nothing to do with their dysfunctional relationship, so back off. Let the adults talk. Thanks in advance!)

by Anonymousreply 98October 20, 2022 6:23 PM

As long as TCM does their glorious annual memorial reels I will treasure it.

by Anonymousreply 99October 20, 2022 6:29 PM

I think even back in the day when it was released, the relationship between Woody Allen's character and Mariel Hemingway's was called out and thought of as kind of questionable and probably inappropriate. Also, why would she really be interested in someone like him anyway in real life?

by Anonymousreply 100October 20, 2022 7:56 PM

I find Ben somewhat annoying as the "elder statesman" or prime-time host, the R. O. replacement. He just doesn't fit that, and he's not the interviewer Osborne was. (I miss Private Screenings). Also it's not necessary to give away the plot of the movie in your intro, which he does a lot. Hey, Ben, sometimes I want to be surprised. I don't mind Eddie Muller talking a lot, his intros/outros are super interesting. I don't really care that much for "The Professor", Jacqueline Stewart, I mean she is likeable but a bit of a bore and not a whole lot of fun. I call the other two the bubbleheads, but they've grown on me a bit.

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by Anonymousreply 102October 21, 2022 5:50 PM

The app just asked me to log in again and it's been under a week since I last did it.

TCM can burn to the ground for all I care.

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