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Why didn’t Leaving Neverland hurt Michael Jackson in the long run?

It was talked about a lot when it came out and won a few awards, but it didn’t really hurt him in the long run. Why is it “believe victims” except when it comes to MJ?

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by Anonymousreply 236October 31, 2024 3:37 AM

IIRC, the victims bungled details/dates on a couple of incidents which MJ defenders used against them.

by Anonymousreply 1September 30, 2022 3:41 AM

Can’t we just dig him up and slap him a few times?? 🙄

by Anonymousreply 2September 30, 2022 3:44 AM

Because Jackson paid and paid to cover up his activities, and because African Americans will defend an obvious monster in the black community because of ingrained suspicion about bias and because if you're rich and black you automatically are a hero to the people.

by Anonymousreply 3September 30, 2022 3:45 AM

PYT, repeat after me…

Say NA NA NA

NA NA NA…

by Anonymousreply 4September 30, 2022 3:45 AM

Because of the settlement agreements?

by Anonymousreply 5September 30, 2022 3:46 AM

R3 Most black people believe the allegations/convictions against Cosby and R. Kelly, but for some reason MJ is untouchable.

by Anonymousreply 6September 30, 2022 3:51 AM

R1 I just find it hard to believe they would lie about being molested and willingly subject themselves to death threats and ridicule.

by Anonymousreply 7September 30, 2022 3:52 AM

"Because Jackson paid and paid to cover up his activities, and because African Americans will defend an obvious monster in the black community because of ingrained suspicion about bias and because if you're rich and black you automatically are a hero to the people."

I know a ton of Jackson defenders who are white. Remember the freaks with the doves?

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by Anonymousreply 8September 30, 2022 3:55 AM

Also, it’s not just black people who believe MJ is innocent. White people defend him just as much.

by Anonymousreply 9September 30, 2022 3:55 AM

R3 O really. Can our attorneys contact this black community. The general public knows a witch hunt of dead man when they see one. Michael Jackson weirdo--yes, pedophile-- NO.

by Anonymousreply 10September 30, 2022 3:57 AM

He was a pedophile AND a weirdo. And he was accused of pedophilia while alive - it's not like all these accusations only came out after he died

by Anonymousreply 11September 30, 2022 3:59 AM

People of all races defend MJ vehemently for some reason. Don’t just single out black people.

by Anonymousreply 12September 30, 2022 3:59 AM

Because he didn’t do anything wrong, you victims.

by Anonymousreply 13September 30, 2022 3:59 AM

R11 But ever since he died it’s like history has been rewritten. People talk about him like he was a martyr.

by Anonymousreply 14September 30, 2022 3:59 AM

He was GUILTY.

by Anonymousreply 15September 30, 2022 4:03 AM

She died, gurl.

by Anonymousreply 16September 30, 2022 4:04 AM

MJ was a pedo and a weirdo. Everyone knows it. But his impact on American (not just Black) culture is so massive, and his estate still makes people so much money, and all that music STILL brings so many people so much joy, that we’ve all just decided that since there was never any true smoking gun and that everything was so sketchy, that we just ignore it and move on.

by Anonymousreply 17September 30, 2022 4:05 AM

Some of the items found in Michael's house:

Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.

Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report.

Book: ‘Boys Will be Boys,’ contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson.

Book: ‘In Search of Young Beauty,’ containing pictures of children, boys and girls, some nude.

Book: ‘The Boy, a Photographic Essay,’ containing images of boys, some nude.

Photograph: Noted in the document as ‘believed to be Jonathan Spence; fully nude.’

Photograph: young boy holding an umbrella, with bikini bottoms partially pulled down.

Nude images of a nude male couple, another contained nude images of men from the 1800s. Photos of teenage males nude, images of adults with childrens’ faces morphed on top, some nude photos of children.

Evidence Item #508. Book with images of ‘nude teenagers and/or young adults’

Located in upstairs library area of video/game room. The book was titled, The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extreme, with no listed author.

The investigator noted that this book focuses on ‘adolescents and counter culture,’ contained lots of images of semi-clothed or naked ‘teenagers and/or young adults’ and actually isn’t illegal under US law. But, it represents a tool that could be used to ‘lower the inhibitions of intended victims’ and ‘facilitate the molestation of said individuals’.

Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.

The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults. Same location as item #508.

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by Anonymousreply 18September 30, 2022 4:12 AM

Jackson derangement syndrome. Super weird. If you know any of these freaks, you know nothing penetrates the madness.

by Anonymousreply 19September 30, 2022 4:19 AM

r19 nails it

by Anonymousreply 20September 30, 2022 4:27 AM

R18 This is why I can’t take MJ fans seriously when they say “The FBI found no evidence.”

by Anonymousreply 21September 30, 2022 4:30 AM

He had those shows in London scheduled, but his career in the US was basically nonexistent.

by Anonymousreply 22September 30, 2022 5:06 AM

Michael Jackson is literally immune to scandals and cancellation.

No matter what, most people (of all races) will still love him.

by Anonymousreply 23September 30, 2022 6:10 AM

Because he was INNOCENT.

by Anonymousreply 24September 30, 2022 6:44 AM

When I pass the Neil Simon Theater, I admit to wishing I could see the musical MJ because I grew up loving Jackson's music and people say the show is great. But I just can't. He was evil.

by Anonymousreply 25September 30, 2022 6:49 AM

Jackson excelled at picking as his victims boys with sketchy families who he could later paint as grifters. Most people don't understand the kind of relationship abusers and victims can have with each other. Wade Robson working with Jackson after being sexually discarded by him is enough reason for many people to disbelieve his claims. Even though we can see from the LN doco that these victims stayed "in love" with MJ for many years.

by Anonymousreply 26September 30, 2022 7:03 AM

"Why didn’t Leaving Neverland hurt Michael Jackson in the long run?"

He was already dead. What did you expect it to do?

But I know you're talking about his "legacy."

It like anything else: Money rules and decency gets shit on.

by Anonymousreply 27September 30, 2022 8:59 AM

I was molested.

by Anonymousreply 28September 30, 2022 9:08 AM

I think it's safe to say his legacy took a hit, just not destroyed like the doc intended.

If you grew up in the '80s Jackson was undoubtedly the biggest star the planet had ever seen, he permeated the entire culture 1983-1993. Today he is a nostalgic, yet tragic figure.

Normal 'open minded' people like him in small doses and celebrate his career, but many secretly feel uncomfortable when confronted by too much of him.

by Anonymousreply 29September 30, 2022 9:13 AM

I can’t listen to him after seeing those men describe their rapes in excruciating detail. But most people haven’t seen Leaving Neverland. It’s easy to push aside.

by Anonymousreply 30September 30, 2022 9:15 AM

[quote]Most black people believe the allegations/convictions against Cosby and R. Kelly, but for some reason MJ is untouchable.

Really? It took decades for those two to be prosecuted and Kelly in particular was shielded for a very long time by his community.

by Anonymousreply 31September 30, 2022 9:17 AM

I can separate the artist from the human being.

by Anonymousreply 32September 30, 2022 9:23 AM

There are these two white TikTok hip hop suburban boy dancers, who I think also do reality talent shows as well, and they are always using his music and it’s just awful that they promote him. They are exactly the ones who he would have victimized when they were children. I alway leave comments about it being a distasteful music choice and that they should stop.

by Anonymousreply 33September 30, 2022 9:24 AM

[quote]He was GUILTY.

He was found [bold] Not Guilty [/bold] by an all white conservative jury. Get over it all ready.

They heard the facts, you only know what you saw on TV. Which by the way, facts were pulled from an interviewer Martin Brashier was found guilty of deceit in a different interview with Princess Diana. The same guy who interviewed MJ.

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by Anonymousreply 34September 30, 2022 9:29 AM

R34 sounds like a pedo himself.

by Anonymousreply 35September 30, 2022 9:57 AM

R35 sounds like a dumb Cunt herself.

by Anonymousreply 36September 30, 2022 10:09 AM

There's no long run in DEATH. OP is so delusional, and probably fat.

by Anonymousreply 37September 30, 2022 10:12 AM

I should've killed myself when he put it in me. After the first time, before we were married, Michael promised never again. He promised, and I believed him. But sin never dies. Sin never dies. At first, it was all right. We lived sinlessly. We slept in the same bed, but we never did it. And then, that night, I saw him looking down at me that way. We got down on our knees to pray for strength. I smelled the whiskey on his breath. Then he took me. He took me, with the stink of filthy roadhouse whiskey on his breath, and I liked it. I liked it! With all that dirty touching of his hands all over me. I should've given you to God when you were born, but I was weak and backsliding, and now the devil has come home. We'll pray.

by Anonymousreply 38September 30, 2022 10:41 AM

OP starts these tired MJ post every fucking month. She is most defiantly a fat ugly Frau with nothing better to do in life than literally dig up old dirt on a guy who has been dead for over a decade. Her outrage is based entirely on what she's seen on TV. So we can assume she's a few peas short of a casserole.

by Anonymousreply 39September 30, 2022 10:43 AM

people defend him because they've been groomed by him via mass media. It's what predators like him do.

by Anonymousreply 40September 30, 2022 10:49 AM

Liz didn't believe a word of it. Or so she said.

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by Anonymousreply 41September 30, 2022 11:03 AM

Michael wasn’t interested in HER.

by Anonymousreply 42September 30, 2022 11:05 AM

FF R40 and her "Groomer" BS from Fox news. Why is that homophone allowed to post here over and over?

FF R40.

by Anonymousreply 43September 30, 2022 11:13 AM

R43 probably grooms people on the reg. Or enjoys being groomed. FF R43

by Anonymousreply 44September 30, 2022 11:15 AM

Oh, the racists here are at it.

"Defending" black people unnecessarily by citing the fact that whites "supported" Jackson's "innocence" misses the point. Blacks do not turn on blacks, and THAT kept Jackson much safer in his outrageous abuses than he would have been (apart from all that money) otherwise. I had contractors who placed OJ Simpson and Jackson in the same category of societal victims. Of course white supported Jackson, but their impetus was different, starting with the purity of standing alongside "black and therefore always right" silliness. If you can't see the difference you're one of them, as posts here have shown.

Michael was a victim, yes, but first and foremost of Joe and Katherine Jackson. He was plainly guilty and bought his way out of it, covered by the "African King" bullshit blacks publicly honor their leaders with.

I'm biracial and feel comfortable not blindly yapping "victim," like calling wolf, when I see racism being applied to protect victimizers. It distracts from the greater societal problems we experience when actual anti-black racism is involved.

by Anonymousreply 45September 30, 2022 2:09 PM

R34, bullshit

He got away with it because he was rich. One of the jurors said they regretted voting not guilty, by the way

by Anonymousreply 46September 30, 2022 5:52 PM

R45 sounds like one of those white conservatives who pretend to be black on the internet so they can shield themselves from accusations of racism

Tons of white people defend him. Especially Europeans, for some reason they seem even more delusional than his American fans

by Anonymousreply 47September 30, 2022 5:54 PM

If his victims were girls/women, I think the backlash would be stronger.

by Anonymousreply 48September 30, 2022 5:55 PM

[quote][R11] But ever since he died it’s like history has been rewritten. People talk about him like he was a martyr.

I don;t know who these "people" are you talk about here, but that's certainly not my experience. Everyone I know speaks of him as a pedophile.

by Anonymousreply 49September 30, 2022 6:03 PM

R48, if anything I think it's the opposite. Men who abuse boys get tougher sentences than men who abuse girls. No one defended Jerry Sandusky

by Anonymousreply 50September 30, 2022 6:18 PM

r3 partially, but there's a strong belief that black men wouldn't go after male children.... and if they go after female children, well, it's not because they're paedos but x/y/z.

It's convoluted and gross but these kind of ignorant myths continue to flourish and probably unsuprisingly, coming from the poorer districts in the south. And yes, you see the same kind of thing from whites, which ms white savior r47 alludes to because you can't ever mention what happens in any minority community without having to give praise to grand ol' influence of the white man who is responsible for everything, for all your wins, all your losses, everything about your culture and you, in fact, you're probably an oreo, you're acting white, that's it we're claiming everyone's racial card right now because you can't be validated as a minority until you're white approved.

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by Anonymousreply 51September 30, 2022 6:21 PM

When I was active on Tumblr a few years ago (following mostly old movie and history accounts) I somehow stumbled into a little cachet of MJ stans, and they were all white and Latina girls in high school and college. They loved him like he was their pretend boyfriend and it was 1983.

I think with MJ it's largely a product of WHEN he was charged. The allegations came out in the early 1990s and people were uncomfortable with the idea of a huge mega-star being both gay and a pedo. These days, people know better, but back then it seemed impossible to believe that the guy who was just a cute little singing boy a few years earlier was now raping boys.

It's also a combination of the decades-long publicity about him being an eccentric man who never really matured, a huge PR push from his estate who wants the money to continue to flow in, people who don't want to put MJ's kids through more than they've already been through, and the fact that he died, that keeps a lot of people from accepting the idea that he was a pedo.

It's absolutely bonkers to me that this man who was so obviously mentally ill and, based on the evidence collected, so obviously a pedo, is still revered as just a normal pop star without everyone in the world knowing what he really was. So much denial.

by Anonymousreply 52September 30, 2022 6:21 PM

[quote]Martin Brashier was found guilty of deceit

Really? A court ruled "Brashier" was "guilty" of the charge of "deceit"? What sentence did he receive?

by Anonymousreply 53September 30, 2022 6:22 PM

Who's the sad fat bitch on Twitter who seriously thinks MJ wasn't a kiddie diddler?

by Anonymousreply 54September 30, 2022 6:26 PM

r50 Yeah, a lynch mob would have dragged him out and pummeled his arse no problem... for MJ, though, or the jackon five really, jackson family, they're like royalty, they represents the black american dream. . . seemingly coming out of nowhere and rising the top -- it's all kind of conservative family values shit, so they overlook everything else... it's ingrained because generations saw this come up and it was entertainment the whole family could enjoy. (at one time) so, it holds a significant place.. it also filled the gaps, divisions and losses of community leaders between what happened with the civil rights movement.

but on the flip side, we do have the likes of R. Kelly.,.. which seriously, everyone asks how tf did that take so long

by Anonymousreply 55September 30, 2022 6:28 PM

I can't accept these things. This is a tragedy. Some of the things posted here seem compelling. How could a man so gentle and so kind commit such monstrous acts. Perhaps MJ befriended some rich Hollywood people himself that were pedophiles and those were their books. I just can't. I need to step away from this thread.

by Anonymousreply 56September 30, 2022 6:55 PM

R50 I disagree. If a 30 year old man had sleepovers with little girls, traveled the world with them, owned books that contained photographs of naked little girls, and was accused of molesting little girls multiple times, no one would defend him.

by Anonymousreply 57September 30, 2022 7:08 PM

It’s because MJ had a sad childhood and was abused by his father. People are more willing to view him as the true victim instead of his accusers.

by Anonymousreply 58September 30, 2022 7:09 PM

Of course all subgroups of what we pretend is our American community have their issues, more so after actively divisive propaganda and policies over the last 60 years, when the Southern Democrats began their switch of racist/Jim Crow/segregationist to the Republicans as they "converted" to the GOP.

My white and biracial parents couldn't believe I was being abused by a family friend because he was a white celebrity whose presence gave them cachet.

My white neighbor, a hippy-dippy ex-suburbanite, called me racist because I called authorities because the 14-year-old girl was being pimped by her biological father when her mother would be away for days with her boyfriend. This cunt neighbor said that I was "culturally insensitive" and she hasn't spoken to me since I asked her why she thought that child prostitution and rape was a black-culture standard.

Black friends routinely defend (still) or shrug about Michael Jackson, because "no harm was done and the police had it in for him and anyway he's dead." Not all of them, but a majority. And their tune doesn't change when they register (I look white in most light) we have more in common than my curly hair.

by Anonymousreply 59September 30, 2022 7:26 PM

[quote]He got away with it because he was rich. One of the jurors said they regretted voting not guilty, by the way

One juror does not a decision make. It' the group consensus that matters. There were 12 jurors and all decided he was no guilty. There were 8 woman and 4 men. Seven were White, three Latino and one Asian. A pretty divers group all coming to the same conclusion. NOT GUILTY.

You have to be a Trumpeter who still thinks the election was stolen to do the same kind of mind trick pretzel twisting logic to say all they all felt otherwise.

[bold]Trials REQUIRE EVIDENCE. TV shows are NOT FACTS. Your FEELINGS ARE NOT FACTS, Your OPINION, NOT FACTS and calling someone a Pedo who points out you are wrong is JUST CHILDISH AND SHOWS LACK OF INTELLECT.

by Anonymousreply 60September 30, 2022 7:41 PM

[quote]I disagree. If a 30 year old man had sleepovers with little girls, traveled the world with them, owned books that contained photographs of naked little girls, and was accused of molesting little girls multiple times, no one would defend him.

That's the wrong comparison though. It would have to be a woman with those girls. And I guarantee you woman would come out to defend her.

by Anonymousreply 61September 30, 2022 7:43 PM

I would like r60 to explain why Michael Jackson owned all the items listed in r18.

by Anonymousreply 62September 30, 2022 7:46 PM

I can see why people don’t believe the accusers but even if they were all lying, MJ still crossed boundaries and behaved inappropriately with children.

by Anonymousreply 63September 30, 2022 7:54 PM

I watched The Jury Speaks episode about MJ’s 2005 trial. A few of the jurors were interviewed and asked to vote on the verdict again. I believe 3 of the jurors interviewed were white and 1 alternate juror was black. Two jurors voted not guilty again, one juror voted guilty, and one alternate juror voted guilty. The alternate juror was a black man btw.

by Anonymousreply 64September 30, 2022 7:57 PM

[quote]I can see why people don’t believe the accusers but even if they were all lying, MJ still crossed boundaries and behaved inappropriately with children.

Sure but you cant put someone in jail because in your opinion they are behaving inappropriately. Half the entire country would have parents in jail if that was all you needed. Some parents still think it's ok to beat their kids if they misbehave. I think that's a lot more destructive and abusive. And net no one says a word to the parent, not your business kind of excuses.

by Anonymousreply 65September 30, 2022 8:05 PM

R65, no normal person is having slumber parties with dozens of 12-year-old boys

by Anonymousreply 66September 30, 2022 8:07 PM

No normal person is a millionaire, what's your point? Rich people do things differently, not everyone thinks like a middle class house Frau.

by Anonymousreply 67September 30, 2022 8:10 PM

Uh, rich people don't have slumber parties with dozens of 12-year-old boys, either. Unless they're pedophiles. Name me one non-pedophile who does that. Just name one

by Anonymousreply 68September 30, 2022 8:12 PM

Here you go:

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by Anonymousreply 69September 30, 2022 8:17 PM

Having a sleepover with YOUR OWN KIDS is not the same thing as inviting dozens of unrelated boys to have slumber parties

by Anonymousreply 70September 30, 2022 8:19 PM

Only middle class hausfrauen think having a sleepover with underage kids you're not related to is suspicious. Okay thanks r67.

by Anonymousreply 71September 30, 2022 8:22 PM

I think most people know he was a pedo. The defenders are just really loud.

by Anonymousreply 72September 30, 2022 8:46 PM
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by Anonymousreply 75September 30, 2022 8:56 PM

R65 I don’t have an issue with his acquittal because I could see reasonable doubt in the Gavin Arvizo case. What I take issue with is Michael Jackson fans acting like he didn’t still engage in predatory behavior and cross boundaries with children.

by Anonymousreply 76September 30, 2022 8:57 PM

By the time it came out it was common knowledge what he was.

by Anonymousreply 77September 30, 2022 9:00 PM

Many of the witnesses in his trial lied because they had been pressured by MJ's peeps. They feared hi m. His maid for instance.

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by Anonymousreply 78September 30, 2022 9:09 PM

Glaaaaadiator!

by Anonymousreply 79September 30, 2022 9:16 PM

R60 has to be one of the most retarded people who has ever, ever, EVER lived.

EVER

by Anonymousreply 80September 30, 2022 10:08 PM
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by Anonymousreply 81September 30, 2022 10:21 PM

Neverland won him awards?

by Anonymousreply 82September 30, 2022 10:28 PM

Safechuck was the most believable. I don’t care what anyone says.

by Anonymousreply 83September 30, 2022 10:29 PM

[quote] I disagree. If a 30 year old man had sleepovers with little girls, traveled the world with them, owned books that contained photographs of naked little girls

That book is famous. People really need to stop using it as evidence. It’s a famous art coffee table book and I believe it was even gifted to him. I not saying that MJ wasn’t turned on by it but it was by no means the smoking gun.

MJ had this vision of what a childhood was supposed to be that comes from movies and tv. No one gets that. He simply didn’t want to grow up. I think he grew up with people catering to him and he never had a real sense of reality. I think he was a pedophile who believed that society was stupid, they didn’t get it, it was a loving thing to do - think NAMBLA. That’s my take anyway. Basically, he was a narcissist who deemed himself smarter than everyone.

by Anonymousreply 84September 30, 2022 10:34 PM

A majority white jury acquitted MJ in 2005 and yet the racists on here still manage to black people.

by Anonymousreply 85September 30, 2022 11:10 PM

R84 What does it say about MJ if a fan gifted him a book that features photos of nude little boys?

by Anonymousreply 86September 30, 2022 11:12 PM

blame black people*

by Anonymousreply 87September 30, 2022 11:13 PM

Black shows like The Fresh Prince of Bel Air questioned MJ’s relationships with young boys too.

by Anonymousreply 88September 30, 2022 11:14 PM

That book was created by pedos btw. Law enforcement recognized it from other child molestation cases.

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by Anonymousreply 89September 30, 2022 11:18 PM

Why isn’t anyone blaming that dumb white jury for squirting MJ?

by Anonymousreply 90September 30, 2022 11:19 PM

Typos are a bitch. I meant acquitting.

by Anonymousreply 91September 30, 2022 11:19 PM

Didn't the issue of the train set and when it was built have all the MJ apologists attacking Wade and James and the director? I remember the hoopla kinda diminished after that.

Does Oprah even address it anymore?

by Anonymousreply 92October 1, 2022 12:13 AM

There were multiple books featuring pics of naked kids, not just one

by Anonymousreply 93October 1, 2022 1:12 AM

BEARKING: MJ was G U I L T Y

by Anonymousreply 94October 1, 2022 1:16 AM

He was a creep. Even if he didn't molest them. Procuring young boys, taking them to a ranch in the middle of nowhere, sleeping in the same bed with them (which he admitted to doing) is indicative of perversion.

by Anonymousreply 95October 1, 2022 1:20 AM

[quote] Even if he didn't molest them

But he did

by Anonymousreply 96October 1, 2022 1:26 AM

And dropping them like flies. Ghosting them when they become too old. That is emotional abuse. How do his fans defend that?

by Anonymousreply 97October 1, 2022 1:33 AM

In the criminal trial the Arvizo family were about as awful as witnesses as you can get if you want to win a criminal trial. The mother sunk the case for them after admitting welfare fraud and that she lied about being sexually assaulted by security guards at KC Penney after her and her kids were busted for shoplifting.

I believed safechuk but Robson had some credibility issues.

by Anonymousreply 98October 1, 2022 1:43 AM

Would you have sent your kid to his house? Sick, entitled pervert. He truly believed the bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 99October 1, 2022 1:44 AM

Everyone already knew he was an abuser in the 90s . He was walking around in public holding hands with little boys. His paedophilia was costed into his fame and his fans decided to set it aside. There's no amount of evidence that can sway them because they've already made that bargain. They get to keep their idol and all it costs them is to throw a few raped kids into the trash. They are OK with that.

by Anonymousreply 100October 1, 2022 1:46 AM

In Living Color did a skit about him being a molester in 91 or so

by Anonymousreply 101October 1, 2022 1:47 AM

Different rules for the rich and famous. So wrong.

by Anonymousreply 102October 1, 2022 1:51 AM

[quote]Why didn’t Leaving Neverland hurt Michael Jackson in the long run?

He's too big to cancel. His songs are woven through the fabric of the culture. It also helped that he was already dead.

by Anonymousreply 103October 1, 2022 1:55 AM

"Crunchy little boy underpants"

by Anonymousreply 104October 1, 2022 3:27 AM

R100 Believe me, the housefraus that worship Jackson are no saints. I've known plenty of them and they live with a distorted sense of moral superiority and are obsessed with social justice. Karma comes for them, especially the ones that breed, like worshiping a pedophile isn't going to make them pedo magnets in their own messy lives.

by Anonymousreply 105October 1, 2022 3:30 AM

But it's especially tragic that Jackson fans are usually highly intelligent people in other ways, that they would let a pedophile be the downfall in their lives. I guess the combination of intoxicating music, squeaky high-pitched voice, and gentle, feminine mannerisms are all too seductive to resist!

by Anonymousreply 106October 1, 2022 4:17 AM

Another person who gets a pass from both white and black people is Muhammad Ali. He married his wife Khalilah Ali when she was 17 and he was 25. They met when she was 10. He impregnated a 16 year old girl, Wanda Bolton, in his 30’s while he was married to Khalilah. And he met his last wife Lonnie Williams when she was 6 and he was 21.

by Anonymousreply 107October 1, 2022 4:22 AM

Speaking of bad dudes who got away with shit....Marvin Gaye impregnated his teen niece (niece by marriage, not his biological niece, but.....still). I honestly didn't know about this until a few years ago. It sucks because I do love his music

And of course Priscilla was underaged when Elvis started dating her

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by Anonymousreply 108October 1, 2022 4:31 AM

R45 White people do this all the time, it’s just more visible with black people because people are more critical of them.

If you think white people don’t protect each other, I’d say you’re delusional.

And remember, Carol Bryant and is still alive and whites still won’t go after her!

by Anonymousreply 109October 1, 2022 4:32 AM

Elvis gets called out all the time tho, and often by Michael Jackson fans which I find ironic.

by Anonymousreply 110October 1, 2022 4:33 AM

Maybe his victims were gay. The maid said he molested Culkin who is gay.

by Anonymousreply 111October 1, 2022 4:36 AM

R109 I definitely think white people are not as hard on criminal white celebrities like they are with criminal black celebrities. The white community has given Robert Blake a pass for most likely murdering or arranging the murder of his scammer wife.

But at the same time, I noticed white celebrities with predatory pasts are called out like Woody Allen while some black celebrities with predatory pasts like MJ and Kobe are still celebrated.

by Anonymousreply 112October 1, 2022 4:37 AM

David Bowie gets called out a lot for sleeping with underage groupies, while Prince is basically given a pass for grooming Mayte.

by Anonymousreply 113October 1, 2022 4:38 AM

Culling has defended MJ tho and has repeatedly denied being molested.

by Anonymousreply 114October 1, 2022 4:41 AM

Culkin*

by Anonymousreply 115October 1, 2022 4:41 AM

r111, from what I've heard they are all straight-identified men

by Anonymousreply 116October 1, 2022 4:42 AM
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by Anonymousreply 117October 1, 2022 5:07 AM

Didn’t Aretha Franklins father get a 12 year old girl pregnant and she gave birth to Aretha’s half sister.

Paul walker and Seinfeld get a pass for going after underage girls.

by Anonymousreply 118October 1, 2022 5:12 AM

I’m glad he’s dead

by Anonymousreply 119October 1, 2022 5:13 AM

Unfortunately, Mac defends MJ because he doesn't want to hurt the children. There was a show on semi recently that showed clips of Mac and MJ goofing around. They acted like they were lovers. No question that MJ was molesting Culkin.

by Anonymousreply 120October 1, 2022 5:42 AM

Corey Feldman has accused virtually all of hollywood but proclaims MJ's innocence.

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by Anonymousreply 128October 1, 2022 6:01 AM

R112 It took a LOT of shaking up for people to stop working with Woody Allen and Roman Polanski.

Roman Polanski is literally a fugitive for raping a 13 year-old and people continuously worked with him.

by Anonymousreply 129October 1, 2022 6:02 AM

R121 He still said it hurt his feelings when MJ stopped hanging out with when he got older.

by Anonymousreply 130October 1, 2022 6:05 AM

I don’t think MJ would’ve risked messing with famous kids like Culkin and Feldman.

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by Anonymousreply 132October 1, 2022 6:07 AM

Woody Allen is a creep but why are more people inclined to believe the allegations against him in the HBO doc than the accusations against Michael in Leaving Neverland? You can’t pick and choose.

by Anonymousreply 133October 1, 2022 6:08 AM

R132 She probably is a Cosby defender too.

by Anonymousreply 134October 1, 2022 6:09 AM

I think it destroyed him and led to the drug abuse which killed him.

But c'mon, what parent leaves their child with a grown man and takes off? The parents were sketchy as hell and that's the main reason no real evidence could be found beyond the word of some rather spurious men who had said nothing for years, until they were old and wanted money.

He's innocent until proven guilty. And he was never found guilty.

by Anonymousreply 135October 1, 2022 6:10 AM

R133 But who says people don’t believe both?

I don’t believe the Woody Allen story.

The Jordan Chandler story is iffy. I don’t believe Wade Robson either.

by Anonymousreply 136October 1, 2022 6:11 AM

The parents being sketchy doesn’t mean Michael couldn’t have molested their kids tho.

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by Anonymousreply 139October 1, 2022 6:12 AM

R136 Most people believe Woody is guilty and he’s basically been canceled. He can’t make a movie with too talent like Cate Blanchett anymore.

by Anonymousreply 140October 1, 2022 6:12 AM

You’re posting all these videos of older black men defending Michael when he mostly targeted prepubescent white boys.

by Anonymousreply 141October 1, 2022 6:13 AM

"For whatever reason, he couldn’t seem to cope with adult company at all"

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by Anonymousreply 142October 1, 2022 6:14 AM

r141 people have stated it's racist to claim black people defend him, so...

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by Anonymousreply 143October 1, 2022 6:16 AM

I don’t think Jordie and Gavin were white. But it’s interesting Michael never hung out with little black boys?

by Anonymousreply 144October 1, 2022 6:19 AM

r137 There's also another point in Jackson's favor. Prepubescent boys like Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman stayed with him and said nothing ever happened.

And we all know Feldman is a lunatic Christian now on a campaign against pedos in the entertainment industry. If that paranoid idiot Feldman vouches for him, that says a lot.

by Anonymousreply 145October 1, 2022 6:20 AM

r141 not all, of course, but the rest get a lot of shit for it.

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by Anonymousreply 146October 1, 2022 6:20 AM

R145 But other prepubescent boys who spent time with him accused him of child molestation. Jackson would’ve been an idiot to target famous child actors like Culkin and Feldman and he knew that.

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by Anonymousreply 148October 1, 2022 6:21 AM

Culkin literally confirmed on Larry King that MJ had an alarm system that alerted him when someone approached his room. That’s not sketchy to people?

by Anonymousreply 149October 1, 2022 6:22 AM

If Harry Styles was having sleepovers with little boys and traveling the world with little boys he would be eaten alive for it today.

by Anonymousreply 150October 1, 2022 6:23 AM

"Culling has defended MJ tho and has repeatedly denied being molested."

Not unusual for abused children to deny they were abused long into adulthood.

One of the more insidious things about child abuse is how much long term psychological damage it creates.

And how does a child's fame protect them from a famous pedophile?

Like a pedophile is going to give a shit? They would consider a famous kid a trophy.

by Anonymousreply 151October 1, 2022 6:31 AM

r149 to be fair, maybe it was because he was afraid of his family trying to smother him in his sleep before he could burn through the rest of his savings.

by Anonymousreply 152October 1, 2022 6:33 AM

r151 and to be real, male children that are molested are treated like future predators... every aspect of their being is scrutinized for signs and it's all too often used against them in breakups, divorces, custody hearings, any kind of trouble situation...

by Anonymousreply 153October 1, 2022 6:36 AM

^ used against them as adults

by Anonymousreply 154October 1, 2022 6:37 AM

r151 and being celebrities themselves... they would have burnt a lot of bridges with that accusation.

by Anonymousreply 155October 1, 2022 6:39 AM

I don’t think arvizo had been harassed and stalked the way jordie chandler has been. I think tabloids have managed to find him every few years and post a current photo but has done a good disappearing act. I did read he started speaking to his mother again after being estranged for many years.

by Anonymousreply 156October 1, 2022 6:42 AM

Woody Allen was clearly innocent.

by Anonymousreply 157October 1, 2022 6:45 AM

Anne Sexton is a literary icon.

by Anonymousreply 158October 1, 2022 6:48 AM

Nearly all sexual criminals get away with it. Why would Jackson be any different?

by Anonymousreply 159October 1, 2022 6:58 AM

Pedophiles don’t molest every child they interact with. They pick and choose the more vulnerable ones. He probably kept Cullin and Feldman around because they attracted more boys and made the whole situation feel safer.

by Anonymousreply 160October 1, 2022 7:24 AM

[quote]the housefraus that worship Jackson...are obsessed with social justice

I haven't found that to be the case at all, I can't think of a single one of the Jackson fans I saw online for a time when I somehow started following a bunch of them who were SJWs. I don't know what the connection would be, either.

by Anonymousreply 161October 1, 2022 7:57 AM

Oh for fuck sake, everyone knew what was going on especially the parents handing them over to a Pedo for eventual legal cash pay out. Parents are just as much as fault. Give me a break, not a tiny bit suspicious that a grown man wants to sleep with your kids? They were just swept up is such innocent times? Give me a break. Priests were doing the same thing all over the news back then.

by Anonymousreply 162October 1, 2022 8:11 AM

R140 Woody can make a film with Cate Blanchett again. She ain't got no talent and her and her husband turned the other way when abuse was occurring in the Sydney Theatre Company when they were running it.

Blanchett is as bad as Woody Allen.

by Anonymousreply 163October 1, 2022 8:34 AM

1. He's dead.

2. His fans don't care. Fans don't care if the people they choose to worship are flawed, criminal, violent or predators. Worship is unconditional.

3. Many of his black fans especially will not allow the possibility that he may have been a monster into their minds because many grew up with little Michael & siblings and saw them as talented, brilliant artists. They looked up to Jackson all their lives, they associate him with Diana Ross, who also is meaningful to black people, and they feel he is being wronged and victimized beyond the grave and many think it's racially motivated. They don't care that he bleached himself, had white lady hair sewn in and his face sliced up and thrown away in chunks to look like a white lady. He will always be the greatest black man to many of his fans.

4. Some people also collect accusations and public opinions about people like OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, R. Kelly and more recently and less disturbingly Will Smill and believe all these allegations can be taken together to show that talented black men can do no right and always will be dragged through the mud.

Of course, it's not only black people who won't consider Jackson might have been a child predator, but I know several older black women who have lived through a lot of societal changes including school integration during which they were called monkeys and other names at school, and they are very protective of Jackson's memory. Interestingly and sadly to me, one of these women was sexually abused by her father and she has no patience for victims who don't fight back, and she is 1,000% certain about her opinion that Jackson is innocent of all charges and his memory is being maligned because he was a talented and wealthy black man.

People's psychologies sometimes are as simple as hero worship blinding them, as with all of Trump's fanatical cult followers, and sometimes extremely complex and involve a lot of personal histories that they transfer onto public figures who signify something greater in the world to them.

by Anonymousreply 164October 1, 2022 9:29 AM

R157 Clearly guilty

by Anonymousreply 165October 1, 2022 9:38 AM

[quote] What does it say about MJ if a fan gifted him a book that features photos of nude little boys?

No one said it was a fan. It’s a book about childhood. Most pedophiles will have way more material than MJ had, not to mention hard drives full of it. Again, I think he did it, but one art book is not what you’re going to find when it comes to a person who is molesting a ton of kids. It’s not the smoking gun and the people who handled the case were idiots.

by Anonymousreply 166October 1, 2022 9:47 AM

[quote] Nearly all sexual criminals get away with it.

You pulled that one out of your ass.

by Anonymousreply 167October 1, 2022 9:48 AM

The parents were mainly grifters and MJ was molesting their kids. Both are true.

by Anonymousreply 168October 1, 2022 9:49 AM

R158 One of my old writing professors, now dead, used to tell a story about when he was a resident at an artist's colony and somehow walked in on some author (I can't remember who) with his whole fist up to the wrist inside of Anne Sexton.

by Anonymousreply 169October 1, 2022 9:50 AM

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by Anonymousreply 170October 1, 2022 2:29 PM

[quote] Didn’t Aretha Franklins father get a 12 year old girl pregnant

Yeah, it was Aretha.

by Anonymousreply 171October 1, 2022 2:32 PM

[quote] Why didn’t Leaving Neverland hurt Michael Jackson in the long run?

Because he’s dead.

by Anonymousreply 172October 1, 2022 2:34 PM

Michael's career was never the same in the US, though he did manage to have another hit with his sister. But the international fandom, people in Asia and Africa, kept buying records and tickets.

by Anonymousreply 173October 1, 2022 2:39 PM

r169 There were many such stories of Sexton... there's long been a group that denounces anything they view objectionable about her life as sexism, including walking around with 'suicide pills' in her purse, threatening others and also that she allegedly had sex with eldest daughter. . . which they claim was a fantasy or even if it was true that you only know it because her psych records were released and that was a violation of her privacy. She is a literary icon!

by Anonymousreply 174October 1, 2022 2:39 PM

^ they've tried pushing her under the lesbian flag because of the daughter bit. And let's not get into the famous butterfly kisses crowd they try to do the same with.

by Anonymousreply 175October 1, 2022 2:42 PM

Well, it is rather sexist that Sexton's legacy is colored with the "fist inside her" story and she was really just lying there while someone else was actively penetrating her. It takes two for vaginal fistery!

But there's also a non-sexist explanation for why she's stuck with that and he isn't. In her case, she was a brilliant mind with a kinky side. In his case, whoever he is, his whole life is remembered as "the guy who fist fucked that legendary poet."

by Anonymousreply 176October 1, 2022 2:49 PM

r176 I'm more concerned she often gets rewritten as a lesbian (oh, thats why she was a nutbag) and feminist (she was protesting the patriarchy), when she was neither. . . as if this is supposed to offer explanation or give her coverage. The same happens with MJ, among many others. Of course, there was that contigency within gay and lesbian movements, though initially, the aoc advocacy among those groups were aimed towards the inequalities to str8 laws at the time. . such as in Europe where below 21 offered harsher penalties for same sex offenses vs 12-16 in varying parts of Europe for opposite sex.

by Anonymousreply 177October 1, 2022 3:02 PM

[quote] And let's not get into the famous butterfly kisses crowd they try to do the same with.

What?

by Anonymousreply 178October 1, 2022 3:16 PM

R11 I think you're confusing Culkin with the person he played in Party Monster. Culkin is married to a woman and they just had a baby. If you listen to podcasts with him or read interviews, you'll see he's not the type of person who would elaborately cover up his sexual orientation. He's been rich and retired for a long time. He doesn't give a fuck.

by Anonymousreply 179October 1, 2022 3:21 PM

I don't understand...those of you saying he was not a pedo, "not guilty" -- how do you explain/rationalize his activities? What was he doing with all those young boys? Why did he have photo books of nude children? If he was not a pedo, why would he have wanted to give the appearance of being one? Do you know a lot of non-pedos who act exactly like pedos?

by Anonymousreply 180October 1, 2022 4:02 PM

Does anybody really believe he wasn't a pedo? I don't think so. It's all hyperbole.

by Anonymousreply 181October 1, 2022 6:02 PM

R166, it wasn't just one book. He had multiple "artistic" nudes of kids and books featuring "artistic" nudes of kids

by Anonymousreply 182October 1, 2022 6:04 PM

R145, Feldman said Michael asked him to look at porn when Feldman was 14 or so

by Anonymousreply 183October 1, 2022 6:06 PM

R179 Culkin is married to a lesbian and serial bearder. Kunis is lesbian married to gay Ashton. Demi and Bruce are gay.

by Anonymousreply 184October 1, 2022 9:05 PM

[quote]I don't understand...those of you saying he was not a pedo, "not guilty"

Did you go to high school? A court system uses a judge and jury with facts presented by both sides with a determination of guilty or innocence. That's totally different from public opinion. You apparently cant separate the two.

TV shows, social media, pictures, and interviews are not facts you silly Frau.

by Anonymousreply 185October 1, 2022 9:30 PM

Isnt it funny how the rabid low IG house Fraus on here cant stand a different opinion and instantly label everyone not on their side as a fan or a Pedo?

Lets look at this logically, here's a DR who is not a "fan" of MJ and after looking at the case, still determines he was not guilty. That doesn't mean MJ didn't do anything with other kids in a different time and place, but as far as the legal case brought against him, MJ was not guilty of those specific accusation. The witnesses were not credible, they have been know scammers before MJ. Fake slip and fall cases against grocery stores for example.

Watch the video with an open mind, he brigs up a lot of good points on how to determine the truth.

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by Anonymousreply 186October 1, 2022 9:40 PM

R185, judges and juries get it wrong all the time.

by Anonymousreply 187October 1, 2022 10:17 PM

R186, bet he's a fan who's just pretending to be objective. That's what they do. It's like when people post right-wing talking points and then insist that they're liberal so they won't look biased

If these people were such horrible scammers, why did Michael spend so much time with them?

by Anonymousreply 188October 1, 2022 10:19 PM

If the victim is a "scammer" then why didn't he cash in with a bunch of interviews and tell all books?

by Anonymousreply 189October 1, 2022 10:20 PM

Is OJ posting here?

by Anonymousreply 190October 1, 2022 11:16 PM

R120, on the Joe Rogen podcast , Macaulay said he has a bleeding ulcer In stomach. That’s from suppression of trauma

by Anonymousreply 191October 2, 2022 2:16 AM

[quote] Paul walker and Seinfeld get a pass for going after underage girls.

This is has bugged me especially Paul Walker Fast and the Furious co-stars constantly making him out to be a saint.

by Anonymousreply 192October 2, 2022 3:26 AM

Michael Jackson was an extraordinarily rich man who could afford the best lawyers around, and he was an intelligent person. He planted stories about sleeping in an oxygen chamber and buying the elephant man’s bones to make it look as if he were the frequent target of media fabrications. It served Jackson’s purposes to befriend famous boys he did not abuse, because they could honestly report that he never caused physical harm to them. Those who made allegations tended to come from difficult family backgrounds and were easier to discredit: it’s not an accident that Jackson flaunted to Martin “Bashier” his young friend Gavin, who cuddled with Jackson on camera, confirmed that he slept in Jackson’s bed, and had a mother who admitted to making false allegations of sexual abuse against a JC Penney security guard who discovered her shoplifting.

Macauley Culkin has confirmed that Jackson had an alarm system alerting him to anyone trying to enter his bedroom, while Corey Feldman has allowed that Jackson “could have” abused others, though Feldman himself wasn’t abused. Sean Lennon’s video for his song “Bubbles Burst” suggests that he is troubled by his childhood relationship with Jackson. It’s public record that Jackson had many “friendships” with young boys, which ended when the kids hit puberty. If Jackson wasn’t a pedophile, he went out of his way to project to the world that his relationships with boys were concerning … even after accusations stained his public image and resulted in hefty financial settlements.

I don’t think Jackson believed he was harming children. I think he believed he had consensual relationships with certain children whose parents tacitly approved of what was happening.

by Anonymousreply 193October 2, 2022 3:39 AM

My theory is that Jackson himself was sexually abused at around the age of 10--likely when Papa Joe pimped him out to people in the music industry. Michael was also gay and took a lot of abuse from his father for seeming effeminate.

Because of the abuse, Jackson froze emotionally as a tween but developed the sex drive of an adult man as he grew up. Because he still felt like a child, he chose what he saw as peers for sexual partners: tween boys. He genuinely saw nothing wrong with these relationships, as they were the only ones that felt right to him. As a global celebrity, he had the money and status to keep this delusion going even as it ruined his life and the lives of the children.

He was a monster but one with his own sad history. A true American tragedy.

by Anonymousreply 194October 2, 2022 4:02 AM

I think r193 and r194 nailed it

by Anonymousreply 195October 2, 2022 4:06 AM

Those poor kids didn't know where the train was headed.

by Anonymousreply 196October 2, 2022 4:36 AM

If he didn’t think the relationships were wrong he wouldn’t have gone to extraordinary lengths to cover up their true nature

by Anonymousreply 197October 2, 2022 4:53 AM

Jackson may have been abused as a child, but that would not have compelled him to be an abuser himself when he grew up. He was a manipulative pedophile who seduced vulnerable boys and then rejected them when they grew too old. He may have enjoyed pretending that he was Peter Pan and forever young, but he knew he wasn’t. He put a lot of thought into finding appropriate victims.

by Anonymousreply 198October 2, 2022 5:02 AM

Not making excuses for the bad things he did, but I do feel sorry for Michael. Joe Jackson was a monster too.

by Anonymousreply 199October 2, 2022 5:02 AM

Jackson knew the world thought the relationships were wrong. But he'd been rich and famous for so long, he didn't have much respect for the rules. They rarely applied to him until he got caught up in the first trial.

by Anonymousreply 200October 2, 2022 5:57 AM

He loved that little boy peen so much, even after arrests he still kept making love to young boys

by Anonymousreply 201October 2, 2022 8:57 AM

[quote]If these people were such horrible scammers, why did Michael spend so much time with them?

You have never heard of celebrities being scammed? You expect a PI to investigate everyone fan or visitor that comes into their house?

by Anonymousreply 202October 2, 2022 9:05 AM

[quote]Those poor kids didn't know where the train was headed.

But their parents did! ChaChing 💲💲💲💲

by Anonymousreply 203October 2, 2022 9:06 AM

My parents told be to be careful of stranger 50 years ago. These parents knew better but still put their kids in harms way. There's no excuse, it's not like there went rumors beforehand, they did it all for the money hoping for a pay out some day. In fact one of the parents in the case, the mother quite enjoyed the luxury treatment she got flying around the world in a private plane with MJ and her child. While the child was given Jesus Juice, mom was sipping on champagne.

by Anonymousreply 204October 2, 2022 9:15 AM

I wonder if he bleached his cock?

by Anonymousreply 205October 2, 2022 9:51 AM

R205 of course he did

by Anonymousreply 206October 2, 2022 12:08 PM

Are you people serious? Jerry Seinfeld? His girlfriend "turned 18 shortly after they started dating". What the fuck does that have to do with Michael Jackson abusing literal children? Do you understand the vast difference between pre-pubescent and post-pubescent? The age of consent in New York is 17.

by Anonymousreply 207October 2, 2022 1:44 PM

Older men getting with teenage girls is not a surprising story. Jackson is a unique case.

by Anonymousreply 208October 2, 2022 2:53 PM

Seinfeld's thing with Shoshanna was gross, as was David Bowie banging 14-year-old groupies.

The fact that they were gross doesn't change the fact that Jackson was a pedophile.

by Anonymousreply 209October 2, 2022 3:24 PM

R209 Again, a person 18 is not a 14 year old. Many 17-18 year olds are college freshmen. Maybe "gross" to you but within the law and also if it's two consenting adults, what is the problem?

by Anonymousreply 210October 2, 2022 3:39 PM

R202, normal stars don't have slumber parties with their 12-year-old fans

He wouldn't stop these sleepovers, even after he got in trouble for them. What does that tell you? He was addicted to little boys

by Anonymousreply 211October 2, 2022 7:39 PM

R204, you're calling the parents sick but not Michael himself?

by Anonymousreply 212October 2, 2022 7:40 PM

R212, you can see why MJ’s reputation wasn’t hurt in the long term. People “accept” that he raped children; they just build narratives that deflect blame. He was abused, it’s the fault of the “grifter parents”, etc.

by Anonymousreply 213October 2, 2022 8:12 PM

"Why is it “believe victims” except when it comes to MJ?"

Cause he made Thriller, man. Thriller.

by Anonymousreply 214October 2, 2022 8:39 PM

R210, if you can't see what's gross about a 38-year-old famous millionaire picking up a 17-year-old high schooler in the park, keeping their relationship secret until she turned 18, and then flaunting her all over NYC like his newest luxury automobile, your values are so different from mine there's no point having a conversation.

by Anonymousreply 215October 2, 2022 11:24 PM

It is gross and nasty. No one’s defending Jerry for it tho Unlike Michael whose fans always defend his actions with children.

by Anonymousreply 216October 3, 2022 12:46 AM

I think Macaulay was a typical Jackson conquest. Macaulay was gay and didn't really care.

by Anonymousreply 217October 3, 2022 5:44 AM

History won’t be kind to him. Every biography, biopic etc... will cement his status as a pedophile. Sort of like OJ where it’s pretty much accepted as fact he’s a murderer.

by Anonymousreply 218October 3, 2022 5:50 AM

[quote] History won’t be kind to him. Every biography, biopic etc... will cement his status as a pedophile. Sort of like OJ where it’s pretty much accepted as fact he’s a murderer.

Nah, the opposite is true. No one remembers sex scandals from 50 years ago. And in Jackson's case it was never proven in court. He'll be judged by his music in 100 years and the pedo accusations will just be a footnote.

by Anonymousreply 219October 3, 2022 8:52 AM

Was Michael a trasvestite or transgender or transexual pedo, or just a transracial pedo?

by Anonymousreply 220October 3, 2022 10:52 AM

[quote]Do you understand the vast difference between pre-pubescent and post-pubescent? The age of consent in New York is 17.

So pushing it a year or two is not big deal? Well that's NY. In many states the age of consent is 16. Which means a lot of men are having sex with girls 13 or 14 probably. Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Georgia, Iowa just to name a few. Lots of brides throughout history have been as young as 12 years old. Human cattle.

by Anonymousreply 221October 3, 2022 11:44 AM

The same reason Elvis’s legacy wasn’t hurt. He’s legendary.

by Anonymousreply 222October 3, 2022 11:52 AM

Everyone knows he's guilty, even if they won't admit it even to themselves. They just love his music so much and it is such an important part of their lives that they can't give it up. They want to enjoy it without a guilty conscience so they just tell themselves it isn't true. If it was somebody like Charlie Puth or Shawn Mendes whose music was never that great anyway, it would be easy for them to give it up.

by Anonymousreply 223October 3, 2022 1:55 PM

I feel like his pale, white skin and feminine appearance and mannerisms helped him more than anyone knows. It made him seem harmless so he could get away with more. If he was still that man with dark skin and a big, curly Afro from the Off the Wall cover, I think that things probably would've happened a lot differently. Non-Black people wouldn't have been so eager to protect him and would've gladly made an example out of him.

by Anonymousreply 224October 3, 2022 2:08 PM

People are stupid. Really, really stupid. If the last decade has shown us anything, it’s that you can make people believe anything. They don’t believe he’s a pedo because they don’t want to believe it.

by Anonymousreply 225October 3, 2022 2:10 PM

His family still depends on the money from his estate

by Anonymousreply 226October 3, 2022 2:10 PM

R223 Yup exactly. If they fully accepted he was a pedo they would have to give up or feel very uncomfortable listening to all his music (very few people can separate the art and the artist to that extent).

by Anonymousreply 227October 3, 2022 3:15 PM

R222 I think Elvis’ legacy did take a beating. The Baz movie has helped restore it, but many of the younger generations refer to him as a predator/groomer/pedo that stole black music.

I don’t think Michael’s legacy has taken a similar beating. Not even Leaving Neverland hurt him.

by Anonymousreply 228October 3, 2022 3:17 PM

I think in Michael’s case the allegations against him will be continue to be ignored in the future, just like Muhammad Ali’s predatory actions will continue to be ignored. People pick and choose who to call out.

by Anonymousreply 229October 3, 2022 3:24 PM

However when it comes to someone like Woody Allen, the allegations will overshadow his work and career. Because people don’t like him as much as they like MJ.

by Anonymousreply 230October 3, 2022 3:34 PM

R219, a "sex scandal" is a weird term for child abuse. And no one forgot about Jerry Lee Lewis marrying a 13-year-old

by Anonymousreply 231October 3, 2022 5:46 PM

Michael Jackshon wash a fine, beautiful human being! Anyone who shays anything different ish jusht jealoush! I chertainly never witnesshed ANYTHING to make me think he wash shtrange!

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by Anonymousreply 232October 3, 2022 7:10 PM

r205 is that how the kids identified it out of a polaroid lineup?

r231 yes, it's okay for black men to do it because the crackers.

r194 Ah, yes, he must have been gay because str8 men, bi men, never sexually boys! it's always the predatory, emotionally arrested gays! All his victims must be child predators too because that's how they recruit!

by Anonymousreply 233October 3, 2022 7:17 PM

How could the two personas exist within one man? I won't bother going into all the man-child, Peter Pan shit. No one ever makes reference to the entertainment industry mogul that was also MJ, his own self being an industry. He had to have been a mature, shrewd, cutthroat businessman. His drug addiction is also at odds with the man-child bit. When was he ever shown to be the adult he was? And why did he never want to be seen as the adult he was?

by Anonymousreply 234October 3, 2022 8:14 PM

r232 I would have paid to attend Liza's wedding to David Gest. Michael and Liz Taylor and all the weirdness.

by Anonymousreply 235October 4, 2022 5:40 AM

Leaving Neverland has now been removed from all streaming platforms including HBO Max

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