“Queer As Folk” Cancelled After One Season

Mein Kinney.

Another Peacock Failure....They are losing a phenomenal amount of money...

Real Gay Men are not going to watch the Tranny stuff. Or the Lesbian stuff. This was destined for failure.....And ICON Neicy Nash is already turning her new show into a Lesbian Love Story and even hired her wife as her love interest?....No thank you....She clearly learned nothing from Roseanne and Tom...

Because it's the [bold]THIRD[/bold] time fucking this has been remade. Enough!

Come up with some new ideas or continue to watch these endless remakes fail.

Also - R3 is obviously a slobbering anti-trans cunt but is also correct.

R4 = Thank You.....I think?...............R3

Oddly enough, I thought the trans teacher was one of the more compelling characters. But, yeah, not enough focus on the gay dudes.

And the idea of the physically challenged characters pulling really hot dick seemed patronizing.

Partner and I gave it four episodes before we got tired of rolling our eyes.

It failed because it was cheap, badly written by inexperienced and/or limited talents, transgressive in a corny, predictable way, and perhaps above all no one was asking for this to be remade. A reboot may have found an audience but not whatever this was.

It was an excuse for Jaclyn Moore to air her autogynephilia on streaming TV and include "lesbian penis."

This show was the epitome of TRANS-lunacy

Note to producers from gay men: we don’t wanna see trannies in our porn and we don’t wanna see them in our TV shows.

Jaclyn Moore does suck in a very profound way. I literally have trouble looking at her photos, not only because she’s hideous but also because I hate her ass.

The problem is how politically correct these shows have to be now. That’s what made the original work - everything was on the table. It wasn’t having to go through a committee of wokesters who think television and film = legislation that affects everyday lives.

I couldn't relate to any of the characters. The creators seemed to want to hit every "politically correct note" -- a gay, handicapped character; a man who transgendered into a woman and then was involved with a butch lesbian who didn't identify with any gender. Every character seemed odd to me. Kim Cattrall is a good actress with huge screen presence but she was completely wasted in this show. It is a shame that she was underused in this poorly written show while the equally bad "And Just Like That" (which Kim smartly dodged) managed to get a second season.

[quote] The creators seemed to want to hit every "politically correct note"

Russell T Davis' stock in trade since he left Doctor Who.

People seem to forget that the US Queer as Folk was considered garbage when it aired.

I was a lonely kid in the provinces craving representation and even I didn't watch that insulting shit.

Let’s be honest, the US / UK series worked because they were the closest things to Skinemax / softcore porn on premium TV networks for gay men. Pretty sure that was the show’s whole intention. The shows were driven by wanting to watch the sex scenes.

This version looked goofy.

No one wanted to watch trannies and femme queens and lesbians.

And continuing from R16, I was young when the US version aired and I would just record the sex scenes on VHS.

HBO, Cinemax, Showtime would occasionally air gay movies with sex scenes in the middle of the night too. I specifically remember one movie where a guy rapes a homophobe in an alley way.

Porn was not that easy to get in the late 90’s, early 2000’s. The internet was expensive to be online all the time and downloading 2 minute videos took forever! And you’d have to save them all to your computer and shit.

It was way easier to watch Queer as Folk and just record it on a tape.

People just got used to gays. Now the trans and non binary lunatics have taken over and no one is here for it. They have not earned this moment.

I thought it was too much for tame little Peacock.

And I honestly thought this version was the best version of all three.

But every time someone complains about "woke" I picture somebody like this:

GO WOKE, GO BROKE!!

Queer as Woke.

Queer as Woke.

Funny. I forgot all about this reboot. I watched the first episode or two and I don’t even remember what I thought.

[quote] Because it's the THIRD time fucking this has been remade. Enough!

Huh? The British one is the original. Then there's the Showtime version, and the Peacock one, where is the third?

Bummer. I liked it.

Looking was gay male centric and was cancelled after two seasons (and a special) by HBO.

Gays only can't make a show a success. Apparently, the LGBT Community on its own can't make a streaming show a success. Why are shows like Heartstopper or Young Royals successful? (Netflix +) Teen girls and Fraus.

The biggest supporter of Showtime's Queer as Folk? Women aka Fraus.

The cast photo in OP's link...what a fucking freak show.

The falling-down drunkest of drunks in New Orleans would instinctively cross the street to avoid crossing paths with any subset of this lot.

But it was a sure fire hit! We crammed all the queers we could fit in it!

Gulags for anyone who didn't watch this!

R15 Agreed, I never even liked the original.

They hired some attractive men to be in the show but dressed them up like stupid looking clowns. No wonder no one watched.

Cancelled?! Surprise, surprise.

[quote] The problem is how politically correct these shows have to be now. That’s what made the original work - everything was on the table. It wasn’t having to go through a committee of wokesters who think television and film = legislation that affects everyday lives.

R12 BINGO. And it just over-complicates everything, and sucks out all the actual entertainment value (if it was even there). I think the folks that are doing these shows today are just trying to hit too many things on the check-list. Ok, fine. Good intentions are nice. But it just makes a mess of the product, and it comes off pandering. Personally, I have no issue with various identities being repped, but make it feel natural. At this point, it feels like these shows are becoming 'after school specials', rather than just being the silly, smutty entertainment it was also supposed to be (especially for something like QAF). This never should have been that hard to do. As said above, it was a silly primetime soap with a lot of gay sex and nudity. And that was the whole appeal (even to the frau fans). And they managed to even fuck that up?

Nothing succeeds on Peacock

Thank GOD for small favors.

[quote]GO WOKE, GO BROKE!!

Unfortunately, the far-left will never learn. They care more about promoting their agenda than profit. Thus, they'll continue to make failure after failure (for the sake of 'diversity') until the money runs out.

So, moderates (who do value freedom of expression in the arts and care to save Hollywood) need to take back control, just like they did in the late 1960s after 30+ years of dictation by the religious right (aka Hays Code).

In effect, we have been in a new Production Code the past decade -- only this time dictation is coming from the extreme left.

One major difference between the so-called wokesters and religious right being in charge -- the latter actually values talent, tradition, and hard work, which is why Hollywood still managed to make good to great successful films during its Golden Age (1930s-1960s).

The New Left now spits on tradition and has an idle attitude about things. Also, skill/talent is not even a priority for them. We have seen what garbage that has produced.

Thanks to this thread, I was able to collect more woke troll haters for my ignore tab.

GOOD RIDDANCE.

Not surprised, I don’t know a single gay man that has a Peacock account and no one is going to subscribe to it for one show.

Didn't mind the show. I like Finn Argus. Oh well moving on....

I wouldn’t have watched anything created by Jaclyn as a matter of principle.

Like LGBTQQIP2SAA+ and its myriad variations, when your only focus is to include everybody, you please nobody.

Catching episodes of the US version late at night on Showtime when I was in junior high was revelatory for me as a gay kid who didn’t fully understand my sexuality. I remember watching the sex scenes and not being able to look away, but not entirely grasping why I was so transfixed by it. It became clear pretty quick that, “oh yeah, THIS is why I’m not into girls.”

R26 speaks facts. The gay male community is small, the only way these shows can become successful is if they also appeal to straight women. At the end of the day shows get renewed on the numbers, whether or not they are good is besides the point.

Yes, there are more people who will watch a gay porn sex scene than will watch a gay centric non porn show because more people are titillated or curious about hot dudes banging than are into watching gay culture. It’s one thing to include a character who is into the same sex, another to center a series on the stereotypes of gay culture, which has a tiny appeal

This was not a gay centric series and one of the main runners was a notorious homophobe. Of course gay men were not going to tune in

R36 will only listen to a small number of like minded people. Soon they will only be talking to theyself and then will have a thought they don't like and will have to block theyself! Fingers in ears.

[quote] Unfortunately, the far-left will never learn.

Lol that you think a Queer as Folk reboot on Peacock has anything to do with the ‘far-left’ R35. It’s extremely commercial. You should be online less,

Nah, it's a product of the present cultural left.

I really wanted a show that lasted more than one season! Well, any show other than that other one...

Woah totally not expecting this.

They could have made it diverse as a group of gay of various racial and class backgrounds in a city. The New Orleans setting was perfect for that. I don't think adding so many trans and nonbinary was necessary at all. The show was always about different types of gay men. Adding racial diversity would not have been an issue. It's pandering to what now identified as "queer"

R48 it’s neoliberal. Doesn’t have anything to do with cultural left or far left. Far left generally would never have any connection to anything as mainstream - I don’t even think a true far left exists in American in any meaningful way. You’re all very confused, and paranoid about the concept.

well, if you the spot the word like "re-imagine", that's the code word for "woke", then you know it's crap!

Good.

R51 Yes! Totally agree. I would’ve liked to have seen different races all thrown in together and see their authentic stories play out. Not for politically correct reasons, but for the actual diversity that “gay” is.

No one cares about show with trans characters.

^^shows

Part of the "queer" cast of characters were a heterosexual couple? A MTF and a lesbian are a heterosexual couple.

It's SICK that heterosexuals are considered "queer."

They should have canceled FRIENDS after one season.

Friends was a hetero world. I never got the complaints about a group of basic white straight people hanging out together. But the gay world especially in US cities is not some lily-white world. Most interracial couples I see are gays and lesbians in fact. The dating and hookup pool is pretty small.

This show just didn’t work. Too much trans/non-binary/disabled/TQ bullshit. Regardless of what it may seem like on Twitter, TikTok, and Out.com, this does not represent the vast majority of gay and lesbian people.

I had hope for this initially because the original QAF was so blindingly white, but as soon as I saw the first trailer and knew they were doing the TQ bullshit I knew it would flop. A real missed opportunity to show some racial and class diversity.

Also, why does anything with gay people in it have to be such a fucking after school special these days? We need shows where we just *are.*

I don’t rejoice in this cancellation but I hope it sends a message to all these creators that this hyper-woke TQ+ moment is very much over and people are tuning out.

Too many streaming options too. Maybe in the past, when there was basically just Netflix and Amazon, a show might've had time to catch on, develop into a good series, but not now. A majority of people I know don't use more than maybe 2 streaming platforms. They might check out a new one, but if it doesn't have much to offer right away, they stick with the ones they have already.

The big question is always, "Is the show entertaining?" The UK and Showtime QaFs were groundbreaking but also fun to watch (though the Showtime version got preachy in the last couple of seasons). Nobody wants preachy in their entertainment. Just give us some fun soapy plots and show pretty people fucking. We are not that hard to please unless you try to shove an agenda down our throats.

Woke as Fuck

Lol R64.

I knew I had to bail on the show when I found myself rooting for the gunman in the first episode.

Why are you calling him a her, R11?

What ever happened to the white guy with yellow skin for the original show?

Queer as Woke. No one wants that shit.

What ever happened to the white guy with yellow skin from the original show?

Good riddance!

LITERAL VIOLENCE!!

R63 I want something shoved down my throat but it ain’t an agenda.

I don’t know anyone who got into this show, it seems so performative and bland.

The show was directed by the same guy who made Closet Monster (a good gay movie) starring DL fave Connor Jessup:

To R16, R17 and R18...you are correct. The trans version did not work because the characters were not relatable to real life. It wasn't very good.

One post said that they were "rooting for the gunmen", So was I!! Never watched it after the 1st episode.

The show tried too hard and failed!!

R 63 is totally correct-agree 100%.

R3, no one wants to watch that stuff. NO ONE. Peacock also shoved a transgender into the Saved by the Bell reboot and they have since cancelled it.

Who wants to watch a sexy cheerleader portrayed by an actor that many recall as being a cute little nerdy boy with glasses?

Also, this actor as a male or female is average looking at best. Yet, in addition to being asked to pretend this male is a woman the audience is also being asked to pretend they are hot. Why is the audience being burdened with these expectations? In the old days, they just casted hot actors.

And R75 is right. Trans characters by definition are not relatable to the mass majority of people.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

So a gay guy falling in love with a trans woman with a dick and a lesbian enby strap-on-fucking said woman with a dick, didn't do well with the gay/lesbian crowd, huh?

Unexpected, really.

That short actor stopped being they/them the day after the release of this show, he knew this was a stinker.

Has anybody checked on Johnny Sibilly? He was so invested in this show and defended it from all the criticism online but seems pretty quiet right now.

[quote] It was an excuse for Jaclyn Moore to air her autogynephilia on streaming TV and include "lesbian penis."

this

Moving "Days of Our Lives" will have the same result.

You're all racists!!!

R44 Look at Oz on HBO! It was a huge hit and there was gay sex everywhere, men loved it lol.

Please, the first US version 20 years ago was pretty marginal.

Not a title worth resurrecting.

Go woke go broke.

Nobody wanted to see this tranny shit. They tuned in for the gay stuff. The show didn't have much of it so it was cancelled.

Fuck and I think they were planning to do some grooming in the second season.

The problem with transgenders is who is attracted to them? Who is the audience?

Trans creatives and activists (essentially a single circle in the Venn diagram) need to stop smoking their own supply. They are convinced that their community is uniquely important and special. Evidence that not everyone agrees with this assessment is evidence of transphobia rather than, as with most things, the result of a combination of factors.

It’s all very tiring.

[Quote]I had hope for this initially because the original QAF was so blindingly white, but as soon as I saw the first trailer and knew they were doing the TQ bullshit I knew it would flop. A real missed opportunity to show some racial and class diversity.

THIS. Fucking preach R61. You are spot on.

Who was the audience for this? That was problem #1.

They named a character Bussey.

Queer as Front Hole

Our hearts are with Kim Cattrall, who turned down tens of millions of dollars to do a couple little network and streaming things that lasted a few months.

I didn't bother to tune in as soon as I read the main character was called "Mingus".

Why are the characters made to look so ugly like in OP's link?

Nobody was buying the franknfurter tranny.

R6 spoiler alert for anyone who still wants to watch this…turns out the hot dick was hired by the brother in an attempt to build the guy’s confidence

The idiots who produce these shows have forgotten one very important thing. Gay people are not trans. Gay and trans are two completely different, unrelated things. The only reason that they get lumped together is for political convenience. Other than that, there is no logical reason to group gays and trans together. And a show aimed at gay men featuring trans and nonbinary people is going to fail because gay men want to watch shows featuring gay men. They do not feel any connection to trans people.

R 99 speaks THE TRUTH....PREACH!!

Aren’t there enough trans and non-binaries to make these things work? A Gen Z told me 20% of his college classmates were non-binary!

This has everything to fail and failed.

First the american version of Queer as folk was not even a good show. Second this has nothing to do with the original or the american version so it's a big mistake label this as a reboot because that was only going to dissapoint the fans of the original show. Starting with a shooting was not a good idea either. And of course this is the kind of show that seems to be lecturing the viewer with their cast only.

Sex education or Heartstopper are shows for young audiences (specially Heartstopper) and they did the diverse cast way better than this. Those shows have very different characters but they have way more purposes that took every pc point.

The original show good or bad was about gay men and this reboot didn't appeal to gay men at all

R83 I remember someone who described Oz as gay porn for straight men. Of course the show was violent and had a lot of interesting things apart of gay sex

The cancellation is a blessing in disguise. The writers were going to touch on the grooming factor. Imagine giving a known homophobic writer a chance to introduce nonbinary and Trans children to a gay couple? This show had the potential to do a lot of damage by creating toxic attention in a time when gay rights are on the chopping block.

R101 But you do realize that nonbinary is not a real thing, right? It’s just a fancy label but it doesn’t actually mean anything. Anyone who identifies this way is still either male or female - usually with an ugly dress and an ugly haircut.

The other two versions of QaF started with a fun night out that ended with a hot blond twink getting a rim job.

That's how you draw in an audience.

R26 Looking was extremely pretentious and boring.

But in the end i agree, unlike a book, a tv show needs to appeal to a broad audience and a lot of women like gay characters. This new reboot didn't appeal to gay men neither appeal to straight women so it was bound to fail

R104 Who is the homophobic writer?

[quote] This new reboot didn't appeal to gay men neither appeal to straight women so it was bound to fail

Oh, dear.

I agree with R104. I actually enjoyed this show for what it was was, but it is not the right show for a mass-market platform like Peacock (which is basically NBC On Demand). This show had some seriously — shall we say, outré? — moments and I really don’t need Jesse James Keitel beating off with her tits out becoming a pop culture moment. Even I was shocked by that.

R107 is correct. Both gays and women want to see hot, appealing men. Again, who is the audience for transgenders, enbies and "queers" (aka fugly straight gals)?

R111

[quote]who is the audience for transgenders, enbies and "queers" (aka fugly straight gals)?

Stupid woke gays who think they’re doing God’s work by preaching the tranny gospel.

People should be forced to watch it. Maybe we can get it into school curriculums.

r113

R43 yes, and what the network failed to consider is that T is conceptually offensive toward women, in both directions. No matter what lip service they pay, most normal sane women are at least subconsciously repulsed by transgenderism, as they should be. It only hurts females. Why should they be expected to patronise entertainment that mocks, derides, dismantles and tries to erase their very fundamental sex?

It was good. And although it had all the woke shit. it also made fun of it. It didn't take itself seriously.

[quote] Thanks to this thread, I was able to collect more woke troll haters for my ignore tab.

The sword cuts both ways!

In this century, it seems we've forgotten that TV & movies were never supposed to be high-art or consistently 'good' entertainment. Objectively 'good' and needle-moving series & movies are always rare. Most screen productions throughout history are stupid zeitgeisty crap made to entertain the chattering class looking for a spectacle.

Goodness knows how in the 1970s we became convinced that everything committed to tape or a video file is highest Art, and to this day are still surprised when Transformers and Marvel dreck makes billions.

[quote] Most screen productions throughout history are stupid zeitgeisty crap made to entertain the chattering class looking for a spectacle.

Is "chattering class" really the phrase you wanted there? "The chattering class" is a British derogatory term for those is academic, artistic, or media circles. I don't think most screen productions have really been aimed at them.

Oh, so true, R117!

R26 has it right - fraus were a huge portion of the viewership of the original American QAF. Who do you think were the biggest fans of the Brian/Justin relationship? Who were the ones most upset that they didn't get married in the show's final episode? Who were/are the ones pushing the idea that Gale Harold and Randy Harrison were in a real-life relationship? I will never forget a comment made on the old Jump The Shark website that succinctly summed up why straight females loved the show and the Brian/Justin coupling: "Brian's a hot bod, and they all wish they could be Justin." Just by the numbers game, it was pretty smart to appeal to that demographic, as there are more fraus out there than gay men. That's why "Looking" wasn't going to pull the same results and stay around as long, even if us gays loved it.

This remake, however, didn't seem to offer any of that. Straight women can't relate to things like a 'MTF and lesbian couple', "feminine penises" or anything involving non-binary. And the gays are either going to lose interest in all that stuff very quickly, or just not get interested in it altogether (which seems to have been the case with my own social circle; I only know of one friend who took the time to watch it and even he said it started off OK but it quickly became terrible), or will actively become resentful by it all and will never give it a chance. DL faves Roxane Gay and Jaclyn Moore obviously do not understand anything about gay male sex and sexuality and are not interested finding out, and there aren't enough trans or enbies or het "queers" out there to get the viewership numbers they want.

Yeah, the easiest way to create a successful gay movie/series is with a popular pairing. CMBYN has Oliver/Elio, Heartstopper has Charlie/Nick... That's how you get an avid female fanbase who likes to live through a fictional m/m couple.

[quote]DL faves Roxane Gay and Jaclyn Moore obviously do not understand anything about gay male sex and sexuality and are not interested finding out,

I think this is a very fair take, based on my viewing too. I don't know who Jaclyn Moore is as such, but Roxane is often very preachy about doing things right, but then always kinda fucking them up when she does it herself. I don't for a moment go along with the idea that people can only write about themselves, as some argue, but it's the point you make here that is the issue with their writing - "are not interested finding out". Roxane hates men, she said it several times on the interview I listened to the other day about Queer as Folk. She has her reasons, I get it. But it definitely interferes with her ability to tell good stories whenever men are involved.

I'm sad with that news.

Peacock needs to sadly learn that we've reached "Peak streaming" and no one wants to subscribe to their platform. Too many subscriptions and people aren't going to pay for another platform, much less pay for NBC. Go back to the network/cable model.

R35 You realize though, the New Left, is exactly that. They’re new liberals who grew up in the strict religious right households and that’s why you’re seeing the same angry controlling fascist behavior in liberals that you see in conservatives, cause they’re the same.

These radical liberals today were not raised in liberal households and it’s obvious.

I only have Peacock because it comes with my Comcast cable subscription. Even then I had no desire to watch this.

Today's agitated youth and junior executives keep forgetting that television isn't real life, and no serious person expects it to be.

But this is a generation raised on and by television, so they have a hard time understanding the difference.

"Sesame Street spent more time raising us than our parents did, and we learned about homosexuality from Will and Grace, so don't you tell us it isn't real!"

R126 This.

Radical liberals and Radical conservatives are both the same shit, the only difference is that the Radical liberals pretend to be the "good ones".

The Slippery Slope is so damn fucking real.

R123 Jaclyn Moore is a transvestite. A cross dresser who’s 40+ and dresses like a teenage girl and has lesbian porn tattooed on his arm.

Stephen Dunn (who directed Closet Monster), Jaclyn Moore, Roxane Gay all have very ugly concepts of gender and homosexuality because they’re ugly themselves.

And Jaclyn and Roxane both hate men. All the gay characters on this show resemble women and steer away from real life. I mean the plot of the show depicts 2 bottom queens falling in love after a nightclub shooting.

There’s also this hatred of sexiness. Roxane and Jacklyn are both disgusting to look at and they made the show disgusting to look at and they made it for people like them and working in visual marketing, I will say that it doesn’t work. Fat people still prefer to look at skinny people in advertisements and ugly people still prefer to look at pretty people. That’s why there’s a huge difference right now in mainstream marketing showing purple haired trannies and fat people in their advertisements and then all the skinny beautiful sexy people are all over Instagram and TikTok and social media making millions.

No one here mentions that this shitshow promote conversion therapy, aka the "gay men into fucking pussy"

Totally a mockery of the homosexuality, probably the audience is these fat fug females who watch gay porn.

A homophobic ugly show.

Wow! A show about 0.06 percent of the population didn’t sell well. Shocking!

It might have worked if they had started out with some of the original cast at their current age and then developed the story around the more diverse next generation coming of age. It was called a reboot, but had no connection to the former versions, so people were disappointed.

I just hope more streaming services will be quick to hire Roxane Gay again for their new shows! She has the pulse of the world today!

They went over budget on body glitter & rhinestones, dangly earrings, and aqua hair dye.

R130, I don't think Jaclyn hates men. He was a middle-aged white male writer and found himself shut out of Hollywood due to the pivot to focusing on diversity.

I think when the trans craze is over Jaclyn will go back to being a man and he'll write about his experience larping as a woman.

It took me a moment, but the t-shirt worn by a character saying something like: "a lesbian without a dick is like an angel without its wings" is surely really offensive to actual lesbians? I understand that the people who made that choice probably didn't think of it like that, they probably thought it was sassy and defiant, but after it sunk in I was like: "what?"

R137 Almost nothing offends me but that shirt that says “A girl without a dick is like an angel without its wings” really is the most fucking offensive thing I’ve seen in years. (I know, MARY!). The fact that these insults are considered somehow progressive statements when they are literally regressive versions of slogans of yore (“lesbians just haven’t found the right man” etc) makes me want all these LARPing trannies and autogynephilies to die in a grease fire.

^Yeah it didn't sit right with me either, and like you, R138, I don't really get that offended much these days. Look, I watched the show, thought it wasn't that good, but at the end of the day it was written and cast as it is, and I don't think I can complain because it didn't portray gay guys like me (be a pretty boring show if it did, to be honest, haha). But things like that t-shirt did irk me, and I'm not even a woman (I thought it said "lesbian", thanks for the correction, not that it makes it any better).

I find it interesting how some of the people involved with this are now distancing themselves from it. Roxane herself tweeted awhile ago how happy she was to have worked alongside all the people involved with this and how great it was ("it's queer as FUCK!" she proudly exclaimed). That tweet, which wasn't controversial at all has been deleted, and while Jaclyn seems to be tweeting how sad she is about the cancellation, Roxane is rapidly posting anything she can about Iran. Curious.

The cast were a bunch of dogs. LA has some of the most beautiful people on the planet begging for an audition. In ignoring them, the producers deserved all the failure they got. Closet queen Aaron Spelling would never have made that mistake. He knew that audience desire to gaze at beautiful people can save any number of bad scripts.

Roxanne is a grifter. Nothing more.

R140, I wonder if she's just trying to distance herself from a pretty abject failure. She might want to do more TV and doesn't want this to be associated with her. Whatever. She sucks.

[Quote]Aren’t there enough trans and non-binaries to make these things work? A Gen Z told me 20% of his college classmates were non-binary!

R101 I started taking a course in uni again, and about 10 % in my sociology courses are trans or non-binary - read as unwashed, purple hair and bad teeth with the exception of one person whose behaviour is weird but who at least showers. However, they are also the most fun-less crowd I ever met. I doubt they have sex, with anyone. For them, sex is all about power and hierarchy, not about fun and flirting and passion. Foucault and Butler are their saints.

Some cast members in the original Queer as folk were hot, and straight women agreed with gay men that a couple of kisses in the original series were hot, so clips were shared wildly on social media. Enbies don't find anything hot (maybe with the exception of weird furry and vore porn). Everything is political and political only. Every sexual act has to have a loser and a winner. It's all transactional. The non-binaries I know feel like political lesbians who despise the lesbians who actually like sex with other women.

In short: When you start preaching, in the end, no one watches. The non-binaries don't watch because they do not wish to be entertained - they want to be offended. And all the rest stopped watching the moment they ceased to have hot actual guys.

R141 It doesn't matter how gorgeous you are if you are dressed like an extra of the Rocky horror picture show.

The show just didn't have an audience but the main problem was they was not storytelling, the characters were there to check every politically correct point and nothing more than that.

And of course it's a big mistake to call this Queer as folk because people were expecting a very different thing

This reboot was written and produced by a heterosexual, autogynephilic man who cosplays as a woman. Men who claim to be lesbians are predatory and homophobic.

Referring to "Jacklyn" as "she" or "her" only emboldens his paraphilia and is insulting to actual woman, lesbians, and to same-sex-attracted people in general.

I look forward to the eventual backlash against this when heinous creatures like this are driven back into the gutters they slithered out of.

"Trans as Fuck u Queers!!"

That should have been the Title.

I would love to confront John Moore about that slogan he’s wearing on his shirt. I want him to justify such a statement.

Yay!

The reboot in a nutshell

If you think about what those t-shirt slogans are saying, they actually don't make any sense. Which is probably a good metaphor for the show itself, haha.

[quote] The biggest supporter of Showtime's Queer as Folk? Women aka Fraus.

R26 is correct.

The US version of QAF had (has) a huge female audience who stan the leads, hence all the threads about them on DL over the years.

But they helped keep viewership numbers high, not gay men.

How can you automatically tell the Anti-Trans Squad is all over a DL thread?

Posts espousing their POV have 30+ WWs

Or maybe random people just agree R153 or does everything have to be a conspiracy by organised groups?

R153 cannot believe his ideology is failing.

LOL

I tend to agree with you R154/R155

But you are just way too obvious.

(PRO TIP: Americans spell it "organized")

I remember watching the first season of the American series (the one on Showtime) and thinking, okay, this might go either way. I liked the cast and the characters and setting, and it was hitting the target sometimes as drama. I really liked and still remember Debbie's conversation with Justin's mother, for example. At other times it was written on the level of (tame) porn or had the sophomoric "we so naughty" humor of low-budget gay-themed films of that era. But I thought it was worth sticking with. "B" first season.

Then, what I disliked took over in the later seasons, and I gave it up at some point, maybe early season 3. But it did have a big following among my friends and acquaintances. People got together weekly to watch it.

I have no trouble believing that the writing of the Peacock reimagining makes the 2000 show look like The Wire.

aR156, I’m not R154. Two people just happened to agree.

They should have related it to the old show, using some of the former cast at their current age. That would have drawn in some of the former fans.

R156 You mean there are people NOT from America posting here? OH MY GOD!!!!!!! BUILD THAT WALL!!!!!!

Why can't trans people just fuck each other? There must be enough of them now that they can find each other.

No amount of guilt-tripping or Trans propaganda like the QAF reboot is going to ever make me want to go near a vagina. I'm just not wired that way.

People claiming that QAF cancellation means people don't want to watch gay shows forget that tv shows as Young Royals, Heartstopper or Chucky were a success with gay leads.

To make a gay show a hit you need to engage viewers. Gay viewers yes, but straight too, specially women.

I know Heartstopper is a show for kids but they did well everything is wrong in the new QAF. They have a diverse cast, gays and straights, trans characters, asian, blacks and whites, but their identity is not the center, they don't preach, they have something to tell.

In the new QAF is like their identity is all they have. And of course it's difficult to crush or feel reflected in somoeone who dress like a Rocky Horror picture show extra. When you have that type of character it's need to be very well written and acted to let people pass over their looks and feel for the character

Perfectly put, R162. It's fascinating to me that Roxane Gay had the audacity to criticise the L Word reboot for "ticking a checklist" when it came to characters, when I would say the QaF reboot was the one that really did that (say what you will, the new L Word has been renewed for a third season, QaF cancelled after one).

Wait, what now?

Every time a bell rings, an angel gets its… penis?

Someone explain to me why and how insane people like Moore and Gay get production deals in Hollywood.

Why, Jaclyn, why?

I wanted to like this show, but couldn’t get interested after a couple of episodes. R162 has it right. The characters weren’t relatable. They were too extreme.

The name of the show was a draw, but then it didn’t deliver anything remotely like the original (either British or American). Those characters were more appealing, not because they were white but because they were plausible recognizable types with sympathetic stories whose sexuality was only part of who they were.

For gay characters to have mainstream appeal such characters must be both beautiful and tragic.

R168 Not necesarily.

Almost 20 years ago there was a tv show in Spain called Aquí no hay quien viva. It was a comedy about a bunch of crazy neighbourghs. There was a lot of different characters (including three old ladies who were incredibly funny). There was a gay couple too. One of the gay characters was masculine and handsome, the other flamboyant (and not that handsome). People loved the flamboyant character, but not because he was a minstrel but because he was well written and the actor was good. The character was funny and a disaster but it had a good heart.

Netflix bought the show and still has a lot of viewers many years later.

And we had another example on Young royals, none of the characters is particularly handsome (well, maybe Simon) and Joe Locke is average but he is incredibly likeable playing Charlie.

Everybody likes to watch handsome people on tv, but a good story with good actors can do wonders even if they don't look like models

The characters on the American QaF weren't really tragic, especially the lead couple of Brian/Justin. They didn't end up together but ended up happy and successful.

Especially nowadays, people want escapism in their entertainment. That's why fantasy series are so huge. We don't want to watch unrelatable characters suffer and seethe, especially if those characters are not physically attractive. If they'd gone back to the roots of the original, but hired gorgeous actors of all races and gone high-camp soap, they might have had a hit.

The thing is, the purple haired “theater geek” trans scene is big but it’s not cool. These are not cool people.

These people think of themselves as the new punks. They’re not. They’re not interesting to watch. They’re usually awkward and ugly and sensitive.

No one wants to see it.

Fun to see Ryan O’Connell trying to hide in that group photo.

Jaclyn Moore sure is unfortunate looking jeez.

Not even your normal everyday gay guy could relate to the freak show they foisted upon us.

It was a twitterverse cast that ended up appealing to no-one.

I only hope people learn from this disaster and the next show deals with ordinary day to day Gay characters who actually have jobs, have no interest in being a drag Queen and deal with issues we can all relate to.

Twitterverse gay issues are not so universal after all.

Was there ever any discussion of revisiting Pittsburgh/the original (American) cast? That show was a modest hit and could have been a springboard. If they wanted to film in New Orleans, have some of the original cast move there. Writers need only write it…just confusing.

The original had a straight audience as well.

They also had at least two child characters from the original that could have been used in the re-boot, Brian's son and Michael's daughter. Start with either of those two, move them to New Orleans, and give them a circle of hot, queer, multiracial friends. Almost writes itself.

[quote]I just hope more streaming services will be quick to hire Roxane Gay again for their new shows! She has the pulse of the world today!

This made me choke with laughter, haha! Well done, mate!

That's what happen when you live on a buble (and even worst if is an online bubble).

Edgy characters need to be very well written and be very interesting to work. And something that works perfectly fine in literature could be a totally disaster on a tv screen

wokeness / extreme killed it, and the casting.

R3, that’s a man with a pussy

Was the one masculine gay in the whole show? Just one?

Sadly, if a gay-themed show does not capture a female audience it is highly unlikely to succeed. Look at Heartstopper, that series became a phenomenon because young girls love the Nick/Charlie romance. Virtually every fan photo on Twitter or Insta taken in the wild with Kit or Joe is posted by a young female in her teens/20s, the recent awards show was packed with hysterical girls/women screaming maniacally for their heroes. Unfortunately, tragically, it does not seem the gay audience alone is large enough to support a show across multiple seasons.

I think I heard somewhere that women make up the dominant viewing audience for TV and film, R183, so you may be right there.

R183 Nick and Charlie are likeable, Willem and Simon are likeable.

You need characters people want to root for if you want to succeed.

Character who are too extreme or pintoresque can work in horror or a thriller but rarely in drama or comedy

The characters in this weren't likeable, I agree. They just wanted to shock others. I can still recall the look on the face of the guy in the wheelchair as he tells Juliette Lewis about the orgy they are planning. He didn't look like someone who wanted to have an orgy, he looked like someone who wanted to shock others and that's it.

I didn't watch this or that slasher movie They/Them, for basically the same reasons.

Not enuf cute guys. forgetaboutit.

Did even the guys who identify as guys wear makeup?

[quote]You need characters people want to root for if you want to succeed.

Or, at least just want to root.

^ huh that's such a good Aussie/Kiwi expression. (We have a saying 'eats, roots and leaves')

Yup, agreed R191. Funny thing is, I never said it much, if at all, as a kid, but have started using it more these days.

R151 It actually makes perfect sense. Both God and “trans women are women” are made-up bullshit that you have to be a moron to believe.

They/them isn’t bad. It’s not good, but it’s not as bad as you think

Go woke, go broke.

-current idiom making the rounds behind the scenes throughout the entire entertainment industry

That's true, R193. As are angels.

I didn't get some of the references but the worst thing for me is how cliched and boring the characters were.

[quote] It might have worked if they had started out with some of the original cast at their current age and then developed the story around the more diverse next generation coming of age.

Tales of the City did that on Netflix.

Russel T. Davis sold Peacock the license to use his U.K. version. I highly doubt Aiden Gillen or Charlie Hunnam would've made space in their busy schedules to be part of such a reboot. Showtime was in no way involved and therefore nothing and no-one from the Showtime's version was used, because that would've required to get permission, for a price no doubt, from Showtime.

R16 said it best. Then labeling this version as "Queer as Folk" did not help. Forced you to compare it to the previous versions. Kim Cattrall should speak to her agent!

Kim Cattrall was great in FILTHY RICH, a decent soap in an unusual setting. Sadly cancelled too.

R199 - it don't know if it would've done better or not if it weren't called "Queer as Folk" (it really wasn't a great show), but perhaps the disappointment in it would've been less if it weren't tied through the title to the older series when this really has nothing to do with those.

R183- At least a show like LOOKING had gay characters who were not designed to appeal to STRAIGHT WOMEN unlike that repellent sitcom

Will And Grace

r202

HBO Looking: 2 seasons + one special to tie up loose ends

NBC's Will & Grace: 11 seasons

Is that REALLY the point you are trying to make at r202?