Sunday Times: Meghan Markle ‘Screamed’ at Staff, Left Them ‘Broken’ and ‘Shaking’ With Fear, New Book Claims

First extract from the upcoming book by veteran Times reporter Valentine Low

Archived version of the Times excerpt

Didn’t happen.

^ I believe it did happen.

There's now an entire book written about it, r3.

If it didn't happen, let Meghan sue. I guarantee she won't. This book has been vetted with the lawyers within an inch of its life.

It clearly *did* happen.

"You've really let me down" is such a nasty way to make an underling feel like shite

The Low book is going to be sensational. He's got on record the assistants who had to deal with the two entitled little tyrants. Biggest revelation: they were already negotiating with Oprah and Netflix well before they left the royal family. So another lie from their Oprah interview, Harry saying they left and had no idea what they were going to do. And they couldn't be filmed together for ITV's Tom Bradby because they'd already signed with Oprah they would only appear together for her interview. Lying fuckers.

From the Times: "Later, Prince William, who had heard of some of the treatment that she had been subjected to, came to find the woman. “I hope you’re OK,” he told her. “You’re doing a really good job.” She promptly burst into tears.

My guess is this was Samantha Cohen, the Queen's own longtime advisor who she had assigned to Meghan to ensure Meghan had the best guidance available.

Cohen's obviously a major source for the book. Revenge time! I'm thinking now the Queen's dead, Charles has no compunction about letting all the truth out.

Delicious! I thought we’d have a lull after the funeral and her reputation might be burnished a bit because she managed not to misbehave (in public anyway) at the funeral.

I know it will drive the DLers who hate royal threads nuts, but this is true DL catnip!!!

The book is apparently titled, "Cuntzilla" with a forward by Shelley Winters ghost.

[quote]“She was saying, ‘If you don’t put out a statement confirming I’m your girlfriend, I’m going to break up with you.’ ”

She's got chutzpah, you have to give her that!

She wanted those FREEBIES and no palace UNDERLING was going to stand in her WAY!!!!

"Palace sources have said that the clashes between Meghan and Touabti centred on the free gifts that some companies would send to Meghan. Deliveries were constantly arriving at Kensington Palace. “Clothes, jewellery, candles… It was absolutely nonstop,” said a source. Touabti was apparently punctilious in following the household rule that members of the royal family cannot accept freebies from commercial organisations. Her approach did not go down well with Meghan."

R12 IF that is true, there's the perfect reason to break it off!

was the staff so "like literally shaking...." felt compelled to delete their harry fan pages on tumblr?

[quote]She told Harry’s staff: “I know how the palace works. I know how this is going to play out. You don’t care about the girlfriend.”

But I thought she didn't know anything about the royal family before she met Harry?

"Compounding Harry’s frustration was a long-held fear that his time was running out and that once Prince George turned 18 he would become irrelevant."

He was already irrelevant. Everyone knew it but him.

This is astonishing. Who will ever work with these two again? They better start downsizing.

If these rumors are true I'd be surprised if not even one staff member finally lost it and told her to FUCK OFF before throwing their pinny in her face and exiting "By the way, we take turns farting on your avocado toast!"

They'll never divorce. Harry feels like a literal white knight defending his biracial princess against all the racist lies. It's exactly what he needed: a woman to save, a purpose greater than King, and the self-soothing illusion that he's not a privileged asshole like Andrew.

Harry is missing critical brain cells

Can you hear the DL Megstan's heads exploding?

Can you hear the anguished wails from Montecito?

Can they see that once more, maybe (Please God!) for the last time, they've shit the bed?

I agree with all of that, r20, except the idea that they'll never divorce. They will, when Meghan decides she can do better without Harry.

She wanted Money, Money, Money:

"Although she enjoyed the attention, Meghan failed to understand the point of all those walkabouts, shaking hands with countless strangers. According to several members of staff, she was heard to say on at least one occasion, “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this.”

[Quote]She told Harry’s staff: “I know how the palace works. I know how this is going to play out. You don’t care about the girlfriend

Meghan has a really paranoid way of looking at the world. Like everyone is playing a game and trying to outsmart her and she always has to be on high alert and not get "got". Who tells their soon-to-be employees the above and thinks thats how to get results out of a team. What a weird person she is.

[quote] Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand, authors of Finding Freedom, said “Americans can be much more direct, and that often doesn’t sit well in the much more refined institution of the monarchy.”

Americans might be "more direct" but we're not all flaming assholes.

I think most people can relate to having had a terrible boss at least once. This looks really bad.

B...b...b....b....bb...but Meghan is a champion of women's rights! This can't be true, Meghan is at the coalface of defending women exploited, marginalised and abused by a patriarchal society!

R23 Or if she gets an inkling that Harry might be gearing up his courage to leave HER à la Amber Heard. She knows Harry could actually get major support to leave (like Johnny had), so she'd have to strike first to keep control of the narrative. Harry's a POS but I would love if he pulled a Katie Holmes on her.

This is now the 7th book in the last three years that has painted Meghan as a crazy, fame obsessed, fortune digging, bitch. I think we can stop referring to these things as "rumours." It's never been about racism, it's the fact that Meghan is a cunt. If you still think she's some poor victim, you're an idiot and more stupid than Trump voters.

I wonder if the women assistants she tortured were good looking? She's the type of jealous woman who can't stand having an attractive women anywhere around her which is why her only friends appeared to be real dogs like Jessica Mulroney.

[quote] Can you hear the DL Megstan's heads exploding?

They’re not exploding, they’re denying.

They’re going to deny every page of that entire book.

Humiliation tactics of berating one staffer in front of others were liberally employed by Meghan & Harry:

"Sam had been screamed at before the flight and during.” After that, she warned other staff to stay away from Harry and Meghan for the rest of the day. That evening, her colleagues tried to arrange matters so that she did not have to see Harry and Meghan any more than was strictly necessary. “It was so horrible to see yesterday,” one said the next day.

She has a large enough following for her to take all the attacks as a fuel for female martyrdom in the racist royal family. She can cash in on this as well. Kinda like how Trump supporters love when their leader still pushes on.

I posted this in the REVENGE thread; might as well add it here.

Wow, the first excerpts of Courtiers goes absolutely nuclear on the Harkles. The level of damning and convergent detail from multiple sources is a pile the couple may not be able to dig themselves out from. Posters on the previous thread suggested that he had access to the independent report from the investigation into the bullying incidents. Maybe, but the Palace was emphatic about not releasing them. Instead I think they quietly released former and present staff from their NDAs.

I'm pretty sure the couple's lawyers received an advance copy. Low did this with his first article about the bullying and there was no response (besides Afria, Markle's lawyer, who said "It's not the Meghan I know") and, more importantly, no litigation. No response or threat to sue like the last time? Seems like Low and Bower may be bullet proof at this point.

This first glimpse into Low's book explains the content and timing of Tyler Perry's ridiculous, out-of-the-blue "Meghan and Harry are the epitome of LOVE!" statement. That was a weak sauce preemptive strike. But what have they got left?

[Quote]six months before the couple were engaged, she told one of Harry’s advisers: “I think we both know I’m going to be one of your bosses soon.”

Cunt. And a dumb one, too. She plays checkers while the rest play chess.

Are we talking about the same "staff" who had Diana killed in a Paris tunnel?

Poor little snowflakes.

Lainey said Meghan and Harry are starting a new chapter while the BRF remains stagnant.

That's the funniest shit I've ever heard. Charles is becoming king, it's a new age of monarchy, Will and Kate have become the Prince and Princess of Wales and are moving into Windsor Castle and greater roles but sure Jan, the two people in the same old roles going back to their Better Up commercials and home office podcast are the ones who are moving forward.

Everything they put out is projection, providing an interesting window into how they really feel.

R34, that Perry message immediately made me think it was designed to head off speculation of trouble in paradise.

But shouldn’t they be having their employees make statements about what great bosses they are, and how wonderful it is to work for them?

From this book it's obvious Harry is also an absolute cunt.

[quote] Are we talking about the same "staff" who had Diana killed in a Paris tunnel?

Oh, was there someone who forced Diana from getting into a car with a drunk driver? And another who physically prevented her from fastening her seatbelt? Was it the same person who did all that, or was there a team of them?

Low basically confirms that the Cambridges jettisoned the Sussexes when they heard of all the staff abuse:

"The bullying allegations, meanwhile, accelerated a major shake-up at Kensington Palace, with Harry and Meghan splitting their household from William and Kate’s."

How did they both end up so low class

Yes, this appears to be the first book to call out Harry just as much as it does MM.

This is the good stuff - pure, true, great gossip, not the delusional nonsense that the freaks and weirdos who fetishize their hatred of Meghan make up (divorces, fake babies, hidden cameras, etc). And as someone above said, this isn’t a story about Meghan the villain ruining poor innocent Harry - they are both selfish, self-involved assholes.

I agree that the Palace made moves behind the scenes (like ending NDAs) to get this out. The issue for the Palace is, Meghan and Harry still haven’t given up all their dirt yet. If the leaks continue from both sides, more and more is going to emerge. It doesn’t seem like anyone involved is inclined to stop the flow of leaks, so it’s going to be mutually assured destruction.

I think Charles' comment about the Duke and Duchess of Overseas was not intended as a peace gesture.

[QUOTE]I wonder if the women assistants she tortured were good looking?

It sounds like she was across the board vile. Samantha Cohen, who had been the Queen's personal secretary, is middle-aged, as is Sara Latham. I can't speak to their attractiveness, but they are accomplished, highly professionals. Meghan is threatened and envious as a starting point, so she habitually, stupidly demeans as a way to make herself feel better and mark her territory.

It sounds like the only people she won't shit on are people in positions of higher authority or status. She was a nobody when she met Jessica Mulroney, a big fish in the Toronto pond. She could do stuff for Meghan until she couldn't and got discarded. She doesn't seem to be as awful with men, but Jason Knauf was getting concerned that he would become a target despite having carried her water for over a year.

And an afterword by Princess Charlotte of Wales R11.

Low confirms that "Megxit" had not only been secretly in the works during the summer of 2019, but that by August 2019, the Harkles had stopped arranging any future engagements after their upcoming tour. In other words, they lied to Oprah, after having lied to the family and to all these many staff members who were working so hard to please them:

"By August 2019, things were “awful and tense” within the Sussex household. There were also clues that Harry and Meghan did not see their long-term future as working members of the royal family. Their Africa tour was coming up, but there was nothing in the diary after that. Meanwhile, staff were increasingly aware of the presence in the background of Meghan’s business manager, Andrew Meyer, and her lawyer, Rick Genow, as well as her agent, Nick Collins, and Keleigh Thomas Morgan of Sunshine Sachs. The US team had been very busy, working on deals not only with Netflix but also a deal for Harry’s mental health series for Apple+ with Oprah Winfrey and Meghan’s voiceover for a Disney film about elephants."

[quote]Harry is missing critical brain cells.

He’s also missing his balls, R21.

Oh dear Auntie Meg, quite the amateur aren't you!

Watch this space bitch!

I hope Kate sends this text to Meghan: “I think we both know that I’ll be your boss soon.”

[quote]It sounds like she was across the board vile.

Sounds like they mistreated the men who worked for them, too.

It's interesting that Meg had a small role in "Horrible Bosses," then went on to star in the real-life sequel.

This is so much worse than I thought, and I already thought it seemed to be pretty bad.

Ooh, they lied to Oprah? There’s gonna be trouble!

[quote]Meanwhile, she wasn’t dealing with the more junior staff, even people whom William and Kate – and Harry, before Meghan came along – had been quite happy to engage with. It seemed that she wanted respect and having to talk to someone a bit further down the pecking order – in a small office, where there wasn’t much of a pecking order – wasn’t treating her with respect. “She would take it as an insult,” believes one source.

The motto of the entitled asshole: "Don't you people know who I am?"

George, I don't think we'll be seeing funny little Archie or dear little Lilibet for some time to come.

I don't understand anyone who takes either side. They are all spoiled selfish misfits and the world wouldn't miss anything if each and every one was sent to oblivion.

We all know she's a despicable cunt. Poor Harry. He's got himself in a right pickle. I feel sorry for him. His future looks bleak.

I doubt a lot of this happened but the Meghan haters will latch onto it. But why won't these abused staff members come forward though? I mean IDENTIFY yourselves. You'll have the support of the racist British public behind you, King Charlie will give you a raise, and the Sussexes are all the way in California. Are you afraid of being sued? I mean if you're telling the truth you shouldn't fear anything, it's your word against theirs. Or were you paid by this man writing the tell all book, knowing that Meghan haters will lap up all the shit?

^^boo fuckin hoo. 100% his own fault as he's an equally despicable cunt

PAY ME!!!!

And "the nobody cared about us or asked if we were OK or got Meghan help" narrative is crumbling. It was offered and rejected because it wouldn't fit into their escape strategy and what they were planning to tell Oprah about Meghan's alleged suicidal ideation and the palaces refusal to help. This paragraph is just so plainly indicative of how Harry as lost his gonads. He scurries to her with an idea, in effect asking permission, and constructive ideas get shot down. This isn't Stockholm Harry. It's eunuch Harry.

[QUOTE]William, back home after the Pakistan tour, appears to have been taken aback at such a stark portrayal of his brother and sister-in-law’s unhappiness. He realised they were in crisis. The day after the documentary aired, William whatsapped his brother to ask if he could come and see him. This put Harry and Meghan into a spin. What should they do? Initially, Harry was in favour. Then he spoke to his brother again and asked him who he would tell. William explained that he would have to clear his schedule, which would mean telling his private secretary. At that point, Harry said don’t come. He was so concerned that William’s team would leak the visit to the press that he would rather they did not come than risk it getting into the papers. It highlighted once again the dysfunction at the heart of so many royal relationships and that members of the royal family so rarely pick up the phone and speak to each other directly.

[quote] But why won't these abused staff members come forward though?

Because they work in an industry that depends on discretion and working behind-the-scenes for high-profile people. You will never see Sam Cohen dishing on working for the Queen or Sara Latham on working for Hillary Clinton, even if they said only positive things. It says to future employers that they can’t be trusted. The same is likely even more true of the younger, more junior staffers who are still trying to move up.

Fuck these assholes. Charles should boot them from the Firm. If he doesn't they'll just be more trouble. And in the States people are already fed up with their lecturing and privilege hawking. Fuck these douche bags

Only an idiot comes into a new and unknown environment and doesn't lay low a few years to get a handle on things.

But no, Megsy Baby (as Lady Colin refers to her) sought her own team to achieve her own goals immediately upon marriage.

At least this book places equal blame on Harry who clearly bolstered MM's paranoia and distrust of everyone around them and their grand sense of entitlement.

R59, a number of the staffers are identified by name by Low. They could be sued. Low could be sued. Bower could be sued.

But we all know that won’t happen.

[quote] Poor Harry.

Oh please, he’s just as much of a shithead, it’s his own family he’s turned on.

Very damaging to Harry and Meghan. I read the text from the link and it was only few pages. Entire book full of same kind of information will damage their image for a long time.

Meghan is just a two-bit Hollywood whore acting like a two-bit Hollywood whore.

Harry was raised to know better. As appalling as her behaviour is, his behaviour was worse.

She gets married into a wealthy and famous family who’s sole job is to vacation and meet people, and then expects to be paid more money? Get the fuck outta here!

Book published by royal reporter (lol!!!) in the UK (!!!) says Meghan Markle is the Devil.

In other news, Hitler says Jews bad, and PMBT likes Tom Hardy.

I said that I didn’t know how famous Harry was in the US, R16.

Please try to keep my lies straight!

Where is this royal reporter with the book about Prince Andrew raping sex slaves, by the way???

Valentine Low is not a Royal Reporter, r71. He's a (quite famous) investigative and political reporter for the Times.

Get your priorities in order, r73!!! She’s not white, and she’s … AMERICAN!!!

I do think some of the direct quotes from Meghan in the piece were supposed to be jokes (“I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this”) but there is such an edge to comments, a general lack of humor, that’s it’s not a surprise they didn’t go over well. And if you’re otherwise alienating everyone, saying things like that in front of the staff is just asking for a bad leak.

R71 Sophie Wessex worked in PR. If this was all media driven/BRF driven narratives, she'd know it. The fact that she sends Meghan death glares tells me all I need to know.

“A book by the royal reporter of the London Times”

Will that be the Sewage Squad's next defense -- everybody agrees that Haz and Mopey are cunts...so it can't be true... Sounds legit -

And the never-ending mental illness rolled ever forward

Great. More fanfiction for the klan grannies

Aren't most actresses a diva? I believe what I've read about MM's behavior to to helpers. Remember the very recent walkabout of Prince Willaim and Princess Catherine with the Harkles? Remember how she suddenly turned on an assistant and was obviously short-tempered and rude to him? That's just more proof.

Suck it, R81. Suck it hard.

If you seek the leak, bow down first, bitches.

The genre of reporter is irrelevant, kiddos. All that matters is the sourcing and the details. Is it true or very likely true? YES.

Sophie worked in PR the same way a lot of young women do while waiting around for a ring. She fell for the Fake Sheik. I wouldn’t cite her as any example of savvy.

This does seem really bad.

Look the vulgar no hope don't counts that make up her pathetic constituency can't afford to change what amounts to their minds.

But nobody else will be indifferent to this. They may not have a passionate dislike for them, but it cements the disdain of everybody with a brain.

This book is much more damaging than Bowers, which had a slightly peevish, personal tone to it. This is pretty clinical and measured it tone. It's... they don't have the brains to figure out how to come back from this. They're ruined.

R73, Andrew being a perv does not excuse the fact that the overseas duchess is a cunt.

Both thing can and are true.

R82 that wasn't any old assistant Sparkles yelled at, R81, that was Will's new communications guy.

[quote] This book is much more damaging than Bowers, which had a slightly peevish, personal tone to it.

Agreed, this is actual gossip, *not* Klan Granny fanfiction about how they’re about to get divorced, Meghan has back fat, and they’re throwing crockery at the wall.

[quote] They're ruined.

No, they’ve got a multi-book deal. What’s ruined is the false idea that anyone involved in the royal family is going to emerge unscathed, or is any kind of good person.

R90, “both sides,” eh?

[quote] We all know she's a despicable cunt. Poor Harry. He's got himself in a right pickle. I feel sorry for him. His future looks bleak.

Did you read the article? IMO, it's clear that Harry brought a lot of the same type of bitchy baggage to the relationship. It's not all Meghan's fault.

[quote] The book is apparently titled, "Cuntzilla" with a forward by Shelley Winters ghost.

It's a "foreword."

Why do we need a book on Andrew? We all know he had sex with trafficked women with Epstein. He’s a perv and a dick. The book would be 2 pages long. MM and H have done a number of terrible things unknown to the public, that’s why there is a book.

I don’t think the female angle matters as much as her being bi racial. Any time a POC is being criticized, rightly or unjustly, the unhinged scream “racism”. Same with the “klan granny” shrieker on here.

[quote] “both sides,” eh?

It’s more than both, there are at least 5 different camps with sometimes-diverging, sometimes-outright-hostile interests, all of them are self-obsessed and paranoid about their press, and they’re all related! Which is why royal family gossip is the greatest, if people don’t attempt to shape it into a heroes vs villains children’s story.

I think back fat transcends race. That just ugly.

[QUOTE]Only an idiot comes into a new and unknown environment and doesn't lay low a few years to get a handle on things.

She knows so much better than anyone, she wouldn't even take Michelle Obama's advice: "My biggest advice would be to take some time and don’t be in a hurry to do anything,”

R81, is this you?

Valentine Low came to finish what Tom Bower started.

It's finally the beginning of the end for this abusive, greedy couple.

I can't see how their "Be Kind" brand survives these multiple recent exposures of their atrocious, abusive, arrogantly belittling and greedy behaviour.

Interesting to note than even Yahoo News, which has up to now protected the Harkles by banning comments below any negative stories about them, has now allowed comments below the story on these revelations - and they're already up to 1.1 thousand comments even though the story is only hours old.

Indicating the gloves may be coming off even in the ultra-obsequious US media.

People with low IQs sure do love this stuff. Muriel needs to get rid of all this hateful racist nonsense. That’s what it all is after all.

Great insight into the games they play.

There’s no doubt she set this up.

You either make me famous or this isn't worth my time, Harry. NOW!

For the life of me I just don't get why any of you care. It is probably some sort of mental illness since I don't share that mental illness I will be blocking this thread. I would bet even QE2 yelled at staff at a few points.

Spot the difference.

No wonder the Cambridges wanted to be as far from the Sussexes as possible. The Cambridges are the sort of people who actually say 'thank you' to their staff.

Have we discussed that the Duke and Duchess of Windsor are buried at…..Frogmore?!

A DLer recommended “The Last if the Duchess” by Caroline Blackwood. I’m reading it now and it’s one of the most fun books ever! The author tried to see the Duchess of Windsor shortly before she died but was prevented from doing so by the Duchess’ attorney, a crazy old bat obsessed with the Duchess—the French Version of Mrs. Danvers. I have laughed out loud on almost every page. It’s a hoot!

I’ve never known much about the Duke and Duchess of Windsor beyond the facts most royal watchers know. This book digs in and—my God—does H/M’s relationship mirror theirs. The Duke was completely obsessed with Wallis until he died. It’s spooky how similar Harry is to his great uncle.

Wallis treated Edward with the same type of abusive maternal control as Meghan does. The one difference is that Wallis was well read and cultured and by all accounts a loyal friend and amusing company. Meghan is obviously none of those things.

[quote] Wallis was well read and cultured and by all accounts a loyal friend and amusing company

Maybe to Nazi sympathizers or Klan members, but otherwise not so much - she was famously awful.

I expect a lot of these stories about Meg bullying the palace staff to hit the press.

Loads of staffers have just been rendered surplus to requirements and need money, negative stories about Harry and Meg are how right now, and Charles and Will aren't in a mood to protect him after the the last two weeks. You do the math.

R109 Could you imagine, people smearing others in interviews for cash? It's so Markle of them!

Hopefully we get to see video or hear recordings of Meghan's meltdowns. Fingers crossed that Netflix cares more about profits than the Sussex image and that their reality show delivers the goods.

Also, r109, because the Queen is now gone, so there is no more incentive to try to keep the stories out of the press to spare her fragile health.

Gloves coming OFF!!!

Do we think SS quit bc they had seen an advance copy of this book - sent to her lawyers naturally - and were like F*** this, we're out?

Her comment "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this" right after TQ's legendary life of service was memorialized... yeah, I totally get why SS dumped her and why she and Harry looked so defeated.

R113 holy moly! I’d never heard that bit about Kate and the Queen warning Harry about Meghan. Gosh, this is fun!

This is a really, really bad time for them to be suddenly abandoned by their longtime PR....

"Also, [R109], because the Queen is now gone, so there is no more incentive to try to keep the stories out of the press to spare her fragile health."

And Charles and Will are not in a mood to protect him from the consequences of his actions. They aren't going to squash any stores that are both negative and true.

Flying crockery on the menu at Harkle Palace tonight.

R116 holy moly! I’d never heard that bit about Kate and the Queen warning Harry about Meghan. Gosh, this is fun! where was that?

R108 I’m R107. Yes, the Duchess of Windsor was horrible and a Nazi sympathizer—though not with the intensity of the Duke who slathered over the prospect that Hitler would return him to the throne.

So, Meghan has an advantage there—she’s not pro-Hitler.

Apart from that, the similarities in dynamics between the couples are stunning.

[quote]I will be blocking this thread.

This is not an airport R105. No need to announce your departure. Buh-bye.

This is just like Mandela!

I think you're onto something, r114. Like Low's first article about the bullying, guaranteed this was sent to the lawyers who'd pass it along to those who have to deal with fallout. How can a book like this be surmountable in PR terms, especially with an entrenched client who thinks she knows more than the professionals? (after all she told palace courtiers she knew exactly how the joint was run upon arrival). I assume it just all got to the point that their image as effective PR managers was being damaged because the Harkles reputation keeps getting a beating, probably despite SS best efforts at advice and guidance.

Notice they haven't announced a new PR agency when they need it the most? Wonder why? Reputation as different, non-payment? Or maybe going from a top agency to a lesser one is too embarrassing to announce?

From Twitter @BarkJack_ CRISIS RESPONSE - In response to Valentine Low book MM 'camp' will say "aggressive, assertive, no-nonsense, strict, sarcastic, terse" tone was "not bullying". In the past, MM lawyer Jenny Afia has said M behaviour was 'interpreted as bullying' but not 'intentional'.

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[quote] Do we think SS quit bc they had seen an advance copy of this book - sent to her lawyers naturally - and were like F*** this, we're out?

That could be part of it. Part could be that Meghan didn’t listen or obey, and went rogue behind their backs. It could be that she owed them $2 million dollars and was six months behind in paying, and they didn’t want that to happen again (imagine floating a royal $2million!). It might be that she abused staff at SS and they were tired of replacing support staff.

Or they could still be working with SS.

The Palace is going to quietly encourage the leaks of bad stories about Meg and Harry. Partly, it's personal, and partly, it's a pre-emptive strike against Harry's book.

The book is due next year, which gives the Palace plenty of time to destroy Harry and Meg's credibility. And believe me, they're enjoying it.

I just worry about their two kids. Otherwise, I wish these two disgraces would just disappear.

Based on her abuse of palace staff, can you imagine her treatment of PR staff that she pays out of her own pocket?! Hoping Sunshine Sachs’ staff starts talking.

Poor R126... that's all you've got now isn't it? No more credibility than your false idol. Poor booby.

^Reputation for being DIFFICULT not different at r124.

Maybe the staff needed to be screamed at.

If she did scream, it was probably at the little homosexual boy R133

[QUOTE]It could be that she owed them $2 million dollars and was six months behind in paying, and they didn’t want that to happen again (imagine floating a royal $2million!).

Is there a link for this? If she hasn't paid in six months, you have to wonder if it's a cash flow problem or if she's withholding payment because she's dissatisfied with the results (or a combo) That would take some chutzpah because she doesn't listen to sound advice and thinks she knows better.

Oh, dear so many leaks coming from all directions now.

The evening at Balmoral after HM died raging Harry refused to dine with Charles, William et al. Raging because he was prohibited from bringing MM.

Hi, Meghan at r133!

R133 was my laugh for the night.

Evidently, while the Queen was alive, all this was suppressed not to upset her. It's gonna be gangbusters from now on!

Your lips to God's ear, r139

The new Tory government headed by Liz Truss (a woman). The 3 most important cabinet roles are Chancellor (a black man of recent African descent), Home Secretary (an Indian woman) and Foreign Secretary (a black man). Oops. Looking difficult for Markle to lecture Brits on women not getting advancement and Brits being racists.

It’s very unlikely their PR firm quit because a scandal was brewing - that’s how they make money! It’s much more likely Harry or Meghan fired the PR firm because they (incorrectly) blamed them for failing to stop the tidal wave of tell-all books or because The Cut interview strategy didn’t work out the way they wanted.

Just what every family needs a few hours after the death of a loved one: a raging spoiled cunt roaming around the house.

I'd get to t5he bottom of this, if I were you. You've got some nice silver you'd like to keep.

And of course if there ARE any lawsuits, the Palace can ever so reluctantly release that detailed report on the bullying of the palace staff that was written last year, the one that was not released to the public.

I wonder if they knew about the "Courtiers" book before they started compiling the report?

And to add to all the drama, now Meghan's hired "bot inspector" Christopher Bouzy is being sued by an online commentariat lawyer who was covering Amber Heard, who also hired Bouzy.

This lawyer [a former NY Cop turned lawyer called @NateTheLawyer on twitter] has apparently declared he is suing, and so has now been contacted by Markle critics who have been deplatformed/defamed by Bouzy. I have no idea how serious this is or is not, but it's rather funny that it's ALL happening this week.

When it rains, it pours.

Over on Twitter all they've got is "why won't the media leave them alone?!"

Soon to be: "why won't the media leave them the Mandel alone?!"

Bouzy's a con artist. He started a Bot Sentinel thing which doesn't actually work. In fact he works for Hollywood publicists, trying to control the narrative on Twitter claiming anybody who criticizes his clients (Amber Heard and Meghan Markle) is a bot.

I believe it simply because she went through multiple assistants (or whatever they’re called), and some of them has been there a long time before she showed up.

The Sussexes lost 13 Palace staff in under one year. That we KNOW of...

R145 brilliant!! The Palace knows what they’re doing! The are holding those reports in reserve until they’re “forced” to reveal them.

[quote]The UK is the ultimate toxic echo chamber

Or, R71, an established Times reporter, known for being legally thorough, is telling the truth. The Sussexes are wildly litigious. There is no credible possibility other than Low telling the plain truth if they don't sue over this. Which they won't, just as they did not with Bower's book.

The entirety of Twitter and swathes of the self-described "woke" reveal themselves to be empty-headed virtue signalers, willing to throw their so-called morals right out the window the second it looks like one of their own has engaged in behavior they pretend to loathe.

Wonder what the turnover is at their Montecito Palace? Meghan probably has undocumented workers chained up in the basement.

This is how so many of these threads go - starting with interesting, accurate, juicy gossip, and then devolving into manufactured lunacy, rumors and stories made up by half-wits, tirades about “woke” people, etc.

Interesting to cross-reference between this latest excerpt and the Bower account. It's obviously true.

Good God, the woman is a malignant narcissist in the Trump mode

I get the fans. A WOC would've been a wonderful thing for the BRF. A role model, diversity, inclusion. Unfortunately membership into the family wasn't based on merit and character but what Harry's penis wanted. That's the difference between Meghan and most trailblazers of color--they had to work their asses off the hard way and she just had to lay back and think of (exploiting) England.

She is getting a free pass because of her race. If she was purely white she would have been called out for her cuntish behavior on Twitter already.

I’m so disappointed in them. I was on their side - like, I really felt bad for them at first. They moved to my Canadian neighbourhood when they first left Britain, and they were wonderful neighbours that winter. People here fiercely respected their privacy, were protective of them, and our interactions were always positive. I resisted thinking the worst for so long.

However, everything they’ve done and every move they’ve made since then has been the stupidest, most tone-deaf thing imaginable. I’ve come round to thinking, reluctantly, that Meghan is a histrionic fantasist and Harry is just [italic]dim[/italic]. :/

I can just hear a lot of the staffers once Harry brought Meghan into the Palace. The Brits are still one of the most racist people on the planet. I'll bet those snippy snots got together all the time when they were sure neither Harry or Meghan were around and talked about having to serve that trashy Hollywood gollywog, or worse. You know damn well it happened. Truth be known Meghan saw right quick that they all hated her and decided she wasn't going to sit back and let them mistreat her.

Delusions, R160.

FF r160 for using racist language and ignore.

R160 - I highly doubt anyone thought of her as a “gollywog”. Get real - Britain isn’t like the U.S.

If anything, it was her American ways that the staff couldn’t get their heads round; that and her seeming lack of understanding about what exactly she was marrying into.

Calling and bullying staff at all hours of the day and night is not an 'American' thing. It's simply being an asshole boss.

[quote] Britain isn’t like the U.S.

You obviously have never been to Britain.

😂😂R[56]!

The thing about the staffer who was harassed every 10 minutes at dinner on Friday night and then continously for days on end is that there most definitely are receipts and they are contained in the 3rd party law firm's report. I'm certain a list of the calls, times, and duration are contained in the report's appendix. If that list leaks, Meg will come off as a psycho stalker.

Well, I can't imagine being that high-profile and depending on substandard staff. The stakes are so high, everyone has to be on their A-game.

Meghan knew this was coming out and her PR is working overtime. In the last 3 days articles from magazines owned by Conde Nast and the Hearst Corp. keep showing up on my Facebook extolling the virtues of Meghan.

^^Why are you reposting this? It's the third thread you've dropped it. WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME frau

Bitch is out of control.

Samatha Cohen worked with the Queen herself for 13 years, r168, was about to retire, and was asked by the Queen to help Meghan.

Hardly "substandard staff". Meghan had the best of the best,STILL fucked up so badly that it's now going into the history books, AND managed to abuse those who were trying to help her NOT fuck up so badly that her treatment of them is now going into the history books as well.

As royal fuckups go, that is fairly epic.

The ironic thing about her racist claims is that naturally she is pale, if you look her face makeup is usually much darker than her complexion also she spray tans. She pretty much lived as a white girl her whole life, look at her friends and sorority.

R152: imagine the winged Megkeys if you took the Low text and substituted Kate every time that reads Meghan. It would pack the emotional wallop for them of being promoted from fry cook to cash or if the governor commuted their sentence.

"Well, I can't imagine being that high-profile and depending on substandard staff," Meghan mused referring to the dismissal of her previous PR provider, Sunshine Sachs, blaming the agency and their youthful, inexperienced team for her many tone deaf gaffes and plummeting popularity.

Thanks to whoever is posting the excerpts

It really bothered me to see Harry and Meghan acting sweet towards the Cambridge children all the while trying to destroy their family. Poor Charlotte got seated next to that evil woman.

Here's the article (Daily Beast) without the paywall.

You're welcome, r177

Christopher Bouzy must be exhausted. Between posting idiotic tweets and seeking out people to these tweets likes, it’s no wonder.

Do the Harkles pay him by the word, or by the number of likes he gets?

Au contraire, R165. I used to spend the summers there with my English parents, living with my English family. Britain has racism and xenophobia, but it’s of a different sort than the U.S., as there’s a different history and culture.

I think Meghan went in arrogantly thinking she could shake things up, but she doesn’t know how to play the long game.

Nan used to call people like her..A Legend in her own mind.

You are, very obviously, a liar, r181.

Wow, R183. Really?? I mean, okay…?

^My birth certificate was lying around. Shall I dig out my British passport, too?

What a strange thing to get hung up on. 🙄

How exactly was this very experienced staff not meeting Meghan's standards or requirements?

Meghan had never had "staff" in her life. If she had a cleaning lady who dropped by once a week, she was lucky. She was a nobody. Suddenly she has standards for how her "staff" should perform? Fuck off.

Meghan was a struggling actress, who always has mean girl tendencies. Once she had power over people, she went nuts.

This one is my favorite and I believe this one 100%

[quote] “Don’t worry. If there was literally anyone else I could ask to do this, I would be asking them instead of you.”

It’s totally a Mean Girl thing. Remember how J Mulroney her BFF was caught talking to that influencer? I will ruin you! That is Meghan - that is who she is too.

Good catch, R190.

Makes the picking on Charlotte story feel less difficult to believe.

Has anybody asked if Meghan's OK?

On top of all this they have cash flow problems as well. Things can't be pleasant in MonteShitShow.

The source told the author: '[The Queen] was very hurt and told me, "I don’t know, I don’t care, and I don’t want to think about it anymore".'

I would be left perturbed by her messy hair!

r158 Correct.Its crazy and the moral hypocrisy of some of Meghans supporters especially on twitter is astounding.The new UK Chancellor is black .He is a conservative and a lot of his policies will hurt many in the UK, hurting the poor especially.Are those idiots who say those of us who criticise Meghan are racist saying that if we criticise the new UK Chancellor it isnt because of his harmful policies but because we are racist??? So no UK Markle supporters will criticise the UK chancellor because that would make them racist?? That is their logic.

Is The Guardian newspaper,which seems to have been supportive of Meghan a fair bit over the past few years , racist because it criticises the Black Chancellor??This is the kind of hypocritical tangle and talking out of both sides of your mouth that excusing peoples bad behaviour on the grounds of race gets you into.

[quote]I wonder if the women assistants she tortured were good looking? She's the type of jealous woman who can't stand having an attractive women anywhere around her

Not just "good looking". To be on the Queens staff you would have to be highly intelligent above all else.

Also, you would have to be kind, accommodating, and decisive. You would need large amounts of decorum, and have a marvelously good sense of humor. The BRF hire proper young ladies who are brought up extremely well.

You're tough when it's warranted.

Accommodating when you can be.

You're accurate. Punctual, and you never make a promise you can't keep.

I'm never on another line, I'm in a meeting.

[quote]“I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this.”

You were on salary, bitch.

A couple of days before Harry released that statement, the Sun ran an article saying that he’d been two-timimg Markle with a Burberry underwear model.

I remember thinking at the time that all Markle really wanted from it (the statement) was official confirmation to the world that she was his girlfriend. I was right.

How did he not see right through her then? “Tell everyone about our secret love or I’m dumping you”. The cock wants what the cock wants, I guess.

How pissed must the Palace be that their carefully cultivated persona of "Harry, the happy prince of the people" has now been blown to smithereens.

Are Meghan and Mulroney still friends?

It’s hard to say. She seemed to have ghosted her In the aftermath of the scandal but then Jessica said in a later Intv that Meghan had checked on her quite a lot. Significantly tho she never supported her publicly- where it mattered - and surely she was in a position to defend her friend her best friend - she is godmother to her kids - as a non racist? I think they are no longer friends.

[quote]It's finally the beginning of the end for this abusive, greedy couple.

You've been saying this for six years. The worst thing that will happen to Meghan is she'll stop doing the podcast. Maybe some charities will ask her to step down. No one is going to come take away their money or force them to live in an isolated cabin in Siberia or anything, if that's what you think "the end" is.

My guess is that you think "the end" will be Meghan's death, given the kinds of things being said about her.

No one wants any of these people to die. No one wants to cause physical pain. What we want is for the truth to come out. About all of it.

Oh fuck off, R204. If she didn’t have a black mother you’d be disgusted by her behaviour too.

She’s being criticised for BULLYING people…and you’ve translated that into people wanting her dead? Grow the fuck up.

[quote]Britain has racism and xenophobia, but

Look, you guys always give yourselves away. All the talk about the Queen banishing the Sussexes to Africa, all the "Doria is a criminal addicted to pot" stuff, the constant "Meghan doesn't even LOOK black" and "she blacks herself up to play the racism card," the constant use of typical racist epithets about blacks all being desperate for free stuff and being lazy, the comments about her obviously messed-up dad and anger-addicted half sister being good people despite everything they've done.

On top of that, the exaggeration of what Meghan and Harry said about racism, which you have all turned into "Meghan said everyone in the entire country and royal family is a racist monster" when that didn't happen, is CLASSIC overreaction. So is all this "Britain is the least racist country in the world" stuff. It's just another version of the trope where people insist being called racist is worse than actual racism.

It's just really obvious that there's something going on when someone is writing a tell-all about Meghan yelling at staffers (who leaked nasty stories about her that were frequently proven to be lies, and who didn't like her, and who always treat outsiders poorly anyway) and they're not writing a tell-all about Andrew's partyboy life with Epstein, or the Charles cash for honours scandal, or the money Charles took from Qatar, or any of the much bigger problems out there that have happened far more recently than "Meghan yelled at me and it made me sad."

It’s actually you who gives yourself away, R207. Very little of that has ever been said here. You’re inventing.

No one has said ~ the Queen banished them to Africa, black people are desperate for free stuff and are lazy or that her father & sister are “good”. Literally never seen anyone say any of this, so I think you’re either projecting or favouring narrative over facts.

Sorry, though, Markle looks white. She also always identified herself as caucasian until she could use her “colour” as a shield against criticism, a pathetically easy move since there are enough brainless cretins like you around willing to suspend common sense and drink her kool aid.

None of the leaked stories have “proven to be lies”…even Markle herself has not denied the bullying story and there comes a point where even a dedicated race-baiter like you has to see that when EVERYONE is saying the same thing, it’s likely to be true.

And Britian is one of the least racist countries in the world. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your ignorant narrative, but facts are facts. Ten percent of all couples in the UK are mixed…we don’t give a fucking shit about skin tone. You do, evidently, and that’s your problem…stop making it ours.

She’s a bullying, vile cunt - pink, purple, green, orange or blue….a cunt is a cunt.

Now, take your racism somewhere else. We’re talking about the characteristics of a human being here, not how much melanin they have.

^Britain

Oh, and all the money that Charles accepted went straight to charity. Some scandal!

Amd, fuck you, three women lost their jobs because of cunt Markle, and you decscribe that at “made them sad”. How despicable you are. Bullying is fine as long you have a black mother.

Fucking hell.

But the stories about her are all true.

r207 Wow you are manipulative downplaying the seriousness of workplace bullying , pretty much dismissing it so that you can defend a celebrity who would've you the time of day. Check your moral compass. You are either deceitful or dumb.

r207 You expect books to be written about events that only happened very recently?? Your attempts at whatabouttery are laughable.

I wonder how long the money will last.

R205, I'd be happy for them to disappear into obscurity. I doubt the truth is even that interesting.

Based on the excerpts I read, this book seems much better than the Bower book: well-written, fair, coherent.

And it's good gossip. He's not telling the story that the rabid detractors love to hear (which they get from all the blogs/YouTubers/etc. cashing in on anti-H&M sentiment). But there's still plenty to make both of them look bad. Harry with his savior complex and media paranoia, Meghan with her Hollywood A-list demands and phony public persona, both of them ill-tempered and expecting to be the star of the show.

Textbook bullying- the continual, harassing phone calls.

How will these two lie their way out of this one?

Harry leaving Charles unheard voice messages every night:

"Dah...PLEASE send the money Megz has demanded - or I'll have to release the book!...Or....she'll KILL me...She said so...Said her mother would even HELP!...Dah...Dahh..Where ARE you?"

If its a generic book about court life will it focus on other royals as well?

R181 fuck off, Britain is one of the most multi-cultural and open places in the world. There is a small minority who may be racist or xenophobic but don't apply that to the whole nation

I've sort of guiltily, half followed this saga because it's escapism, like an episode of Dynasty! But I have never relished attacking MM, I think it's incredibly sad that things were racialised and a family that welcomed her, demonised in such a potent way.

R208

Love the yanks on here blowing hard about Britain being racist. Every other day there are reports on physical violence being inflicted on African Americans- even by law enforcement.

When you read Bower's account of MM's behaviour at the Reitman's shoot,all the demands she made, the way she treated people, long before she met Harry, you see what kind of person she is. But it is at odds with her diligence and cooperation at her Suits job, for seven years.

[quote] But it is at odds with her diligence and cooperation at her Suits job, for seven years.

Oh really, Honey?

Really?

Sixth on the call sheet as the new "ingenue" in Toronto meant she knew how to keep her head down for at least a little while, right? Or at least until she felt comfortable in her large britches. She wasn't on set on the Reitman's shoot, so no need to cooperate; just a shoe-stealing adventure!

This isn’t an either/or situation. Racists are getting off on criticizing the black woman, AND she is undoubtedly a cunt of historic proportions. Both can be true, and are.

^^^I'll bet r226 doesn't 'identify' as gay, but rather identifies as something "Fashionable"

I'm dubious that employees will stand in front of a raving lunatic boss screaming at them until they cry, day after day after day. Meghan wasn't the ONLY boss and employees would march to all the other powers and complain loudly.

R228 That's what I thought as well. While Megs bullying behavior was well documented in Bower's book, I can't image someone with years of experience dealing with a variety of humanity, especially someone like Samantha Cohen with all of her experience who had one foot out the employment door anyway, putting up for a nanosecond with a bully like Megs. The professional response to a bully is to politely request that they cease and desist addressing you in a bullying manner. If that doesn't work, the second response is "Go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. I will not put up with your bullying insecurities" and quit on the spot. Or, go to a higher up and complain about highly inappropriate behavior. It does seem rather odd that so many professionals allowed Megs to bully them into submission.

[quote]"Compounding Harry’s frustration was a long-held fear that his time was running out and that once Prince George turned 18 he would become irrelevant."+

He's been irrelevant since the day George was born. Kind of sad (and that's an understatement) that viewed young kids as rivals. I guess that explains why there isn't any kind of bond with the kids.

Aside from the well researched biographies, most books about the BRF are crap, repeats of old gossip, etc. This one sounds kind of interesting. Aside from dealing with the Harkles, I've always wondered about people who'd want to wait 24/7 on some petulant fool like Andrew or deal with some meltdown from Charles. It's one thing to be young & want this kind of thing on your resume, but people who make a career of it....that's got to be tough.

I see that the Christopher Bouzy/Bot Sentinel/ Sunshine Sachs human bots are here at r228 and r229....

I see that an assumptive ass is here at R231.

[quote]He's not telling the story that the rabid detractors love to hear (which they get from all the blogs/YouTubers/etc. cashing in on anti-H&M sentiment)

Based on excerpts and all the comments from you guys about how he's proving you right, I don't think that's true.

r232

Your employer Bouzy is going Down.

Haven’t any of you WORKED with one of these people?

[quote] But it is at odds with her diligence and cooperation at her Suits job, for seven years.

If it doesn’t make sense, it’s not true. People like Meghan aren’t nasty to the higher-ups. They’re dismissive of the assistants and roll their eyes at other minor actors. They tell the star of the show how great that scene was and snicker at the extras. They bring cookies to the writers room and smoke a joint with the makeup crew, and sneer at craft services. They’re not assholes to the people who MATTER.

Hi, Meghan r235!

Furthermore, the chapters on Andrew will be fun to read. Anything on the late queen will be respectful. Charles' will be mixed. The real decider will be how he handles William and Kate.

William and Kate are impeccable, r237.

Made more so as they casually reside in the rather large shadow of the Monstrous Motecitans.

And that shadow is Very Large.

I read in the Daily Mail that the Queen had one of her senior ladies-in-waiting advise Markle about Royal duties and such and her assistance was rejected.

R236 If you really think that R235 is complimentary towards Meghan, you need to learn reading comprehension.

What they are saying is that it's obvious Meghan only bullies those beneath her, while being cordial to those on her level and sucking up to anyone above her.

That is NOT a compliment.

Hi Again, Meghan r240!

Wow so Meghan is screaming at staff every 10 minutes huh. LMAO. And you morons buy that crap.

There are two books published now about Meghan's bullying, conwoman ways, r242

I just don't get it. Let's say you are hired for a job in a large corporation. The job sounds like it's going to be fantastic but turns out to be horrible for a variety of reasons. So you decide to leave, but it takes time to arrange your next employment. What do you do?

A. Alienate everyone around you at every level til you walk off the job?

B. Knowing that you need a reference and realise that any less than impeccable behaviour on your part will get around and and will make it harder for you to get a good job in your industry in the future, you keep your head down and your nose clean til you hand in your resignation?

There's a lot of truth to r207's first paragraph.

[quote] It’s actually you who gives yourself away, [R207]. Very little of that has ever been said here. You’re inventing.

Bullshit, r208. I've been reading DL threads about the Royals for years and those things all have been said here about Markle.

And when r207 writes -

[quote] and they're not writing a tell-all about Andrew's partyboy life with Epstein, or the Charles cash for honours scandal, or the money Charles took from Qatar, or any of the much bigger problems out there that have happened far more recently than "Meghan yelled at me and it made me sad."

That this apt point made here is either ignored or defended by her haters with some half-assed stupid analogy to work-place bullying speaks volumes.

I think both situations are true.

I find it easy to believe that Markle DID behave in a bullying manner towards "the help", and there is no excusing it.

For one of the rare times in my life, my jaw actually dropped when Markle falsely told Oprah (and I have to paraphrase here), that, before dating Harry, she didn't know about the Royal family and that she didn't google Harry.

Markle lied about that. She did her research all right before meeting Harry. She had knowledge of the Royal family. And if you read "Tina Brown's "The Palace Papers", Brown takes pains to describe how Markle was known among the cast of suits for being meticulously prepared on EVERYTHING, her role on Suits and promotion events.

The BRF and Markle was a bad, bad, fit from the get-go, with blame to go around for everybody.

Now that Her Majesty has been laid to rest H and M are going to get the beat down they deserve.

Wow what a bitch. I suppose she saw it as part of being a "Princess".

[quote]Now that Her Majesty has been laid to rest H and M are going to get the beat down they deserve.

Yes and it's delicious.

However, I suspect manipulative Meg will counter with a pregnancy which will provide her protection. Can't be mean to a pregnant woman! Every article will be met with "the stress of these untrue accusations against the Duchess are causing her pregnancy complications and may result in a miscarriage if the racist BRF and racist Bristish tabloids who called her first baby the "n" word don't stop these vicious attacks immediately". Malignant narcissists are masters at deflection and distraction. See also: tRump.

R218 weren’t there already some excerpts published? I vaguely remember there was quite a bit on Prince Philip (who apparently was loved by everyone who worked with him), Princess Margaret and Princess Michael of Kent. There was also something about KP staff looking down their nose on Kate, but then she won them over.

[quote] The BRF and Markle was a bad, bad, fit from the get-go, with blame to go around for everybody.

R245 Megs chose her mark, established her grift and put it into play. Which is still on-going. The BRF were, are and remain the targets of Megs grift. Your attempt at "impartiality" is, in reality, victim blaming.

R248 The Sussexes said they will have only two children to save the planet. Besides, pregnancy did’t stop Meghan from harassing Kate.

[quote]I've been reading DL threads about the Royals for years and those things all have been said here about Markle.

There are some really ugly things said about Markle, it can't be denied. There are some really ugly things said about pretty much everybody who gets a mention on this board. Even St. Dolly Parton can't escape accusations of lesbianism. The poor Queen was assigned to a body bag pretty much daily for the last couple of years, replete with "I feel" diagnoses of everything from cancer to incontinence to lost the will to live by broken heart. Diana is called some of the most vulgar and cruel epithets you can throw at a woman. None of this justifies or excuses the lowest things said about Markle. But it isn't unique to her, either. Ugly people reach for the ugliest remarks they can find, on this board and pretty much every board like it on the internet, from Reddit onward. And it doesn't preclude a gossip board talking about writing about her.

[quote]and they're not writing a tell-all about Andrew's partyboy life with Epstein, or the Charles cash for honours scandal, or the money Charles took from Qatar, or any of the much bigger problems out there that have happened far more recently than "Meghan yelled at me and it made me sad."

Isn't that the blunt reality of market economics?

And if R207 is accused of exemplifying how "haters" ignore or defend with some half-assed stupid analogy, is not R245 playing the old Meghan defenders trick of what-abouting and broad brush accusations with no specifics ("any of the much bigger problems out there that have happened far more recently")? And can't two separate things be unseemly at once, but one be more interesting or current?

First, who can know which writer is working on what? It seems unlikely some abmitious scribe [italic]isn't[/italic] trying to write something about Andrew. The Charles and bad practises re. charitable contributions have been explained and reported on comprehensively. Sometimes, even when things are bad or look bad there's only so much to say.

Second, the Sussexes sell. The Royal Family has for forty years been sucked into the increasing sale of private dignity as a commodity. Unfortunately for the Sussexes it is their turn. No reasonable person is going to argue this is only because they are the victims of undue curiosity.

lol, r250!

Satire?

"victim-blaming?" no two words have ever more revealed the skewed, way too invested mind of Sussex obsessives.

The BRF is enjoying a post Q E II honeymoon. Their popularity, wealth, prestige, status, has only one way to go: steady. I'm a big fan of theirs and I hope that steady popularity stays put.

Meanwhile, the Sussexes are fast becoming more and more irrelevant, unpopular, and aging, to boot.

But somehow, the BRF are victims?

Your elevator isn't reaching the top floor.

[Quote]Even St. Dolly Parton can't escape accusations of lesbianism.

Accusations? Oh gurl, you do amuse.

r252 is a bot. Not one of those Meghan fans - I mean a real, mechanical bot. Read the text closely. It's mechanic.

R252, Will a survey be forthcoming asking us to rate how well your post defended the Duke and Duchess of Overseas? Something that your management will use to determine your efficiency?

I get these surveys after I buy toilet paper online from CVS asking me to rate my shopping experience. I expect the same related to your post, also suitable for wiping one’s ass.

[quote]Second, the Sussexes sell.

Sell what R252? Their souls? Sell out their families? Anything to the highest bidder in order to line their own pockets?

[quote] But somehow, the BRF are victims?

R253 Absolutely. The BRF are the target chosen by a narcissistic grifter as the ultimate mark in her unending quest for fame/fortune. Megs has spent two years villainizing and accusing, shaking her mark down attempting to reap a huge payoff. Her mark has done nothing but have the temerity to exist.

R257, publications, you idiot.

Would a bot really call her St. Dolly Parton?

R252, why are you bringing the multitalented, warmhearted, charitable Dolly Parton into a conversation about two despicable grifters?

As for “accusations of lesbianism”, unlike the Harkles, Dolly has never paid people to slander those making such an accusation.

I don't know how anybody takes my R252 as defending the Harkles. For a mechanical bot I apparently did a rotten job of trying to argue against R245's sympathy for Markle. All I tried to do was avoid frothing at the mouth.

To the cunt at R259. I was making a point.

Did I hit a nerve? Are you foaming at the mouth yet? Have a cookie, take a Midol and lie down. Before you do, fuck off.

R261, my point was this is DL and even the multitalented, warmhearted, charitable Dolly Parton is not immune from the underbelly of this place.

R263, you're the one foaming. Take your own medicine.

Three blocks and everything from R252 to R263 disappears. I'm not sure I'm the bot.

This place always gets a little extra psycho on the weekends, moreso since Valentine's valentine.

GERMAN^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Too bad. So sad. If only I could cry on cue like Megs, I would.

Confused after reading R265’s post. Did R252 blocked herself?

Accusation-speak = homophobe

But wait, there’s more.

I don’t think she’s liked ab her age has she?

R270 left out Megs "the family I never had" grift. She used that lie twice. She accused her first hubby of "abuse", which was a lie. She'll use that one again against Harry.

Yes. The family she never had. Good spot

You see this time and time again.

Man babies marry dragon ladies to handle the things msn baby doesn’t want to deal with.

Of course, sometimes the dragon lady turns out to be a genuine psycho.

Then what?

"Meghan Markle liked freebies — and clashed with staffers who tried to explain that royal protocol forbade accepting gifts from commercial organizations, according to a bombshell new book about the duchess and Prince Harry.

Markle, 41, fought with her personal assistant, Melissa Toubati, because Meghan wanted to keep the clothes she got, the Sun reported, citing excerpts from Valentine Low’s new book, “Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown.”

Toubati resigned six months after Meghan and Harry’s 2018 wedding.

Low’s book cited an insider who claimed: “Clashes centered on the free gifts that some companies would send Meghan. Deliveries were constantly arriving at Kensington Palace. ‘Clothes, jewelry, candles … It was non-stop.”

Toubati’s approach “did not go down well with Meghan.”"

"Prince Harry's fear of becoming "irrelevant" and an attempt at bridge building by William that was turned down are two of a number of bombshell claims to come from a new book about the royals.

Prince Harry feared he would become "irrelevant" when Prince George turns 18, says a source, quoted in the new book.

The Duke of Sussex believed he had only a limited time to make a difference until his nephew, who is now second-in-line to the throne, became older.

"He had this thing that he had a shelf life. He was fixated [on] this," the source claims.

"He would compare himself with his uncle [Prince Andrew]. He would say, 'I have this time to make this impact. Because I can'.

"Until George turns 18, was the way he was thinking about it. ‘Then I will be the also-ran.’ He was genuinely thinking of it as, ‘I have this platform now, for a limited amount of time. I want to move forward, move forward.’ ”

An extract reads: "They (royal staff) told him, 'You can still have an impact in your forties, fifties, even longer. So long as you set the right foundations now.' But he never saw that."

From the article at R276:

Harry summoned by Queen to be 'firmly put in his place' after wedding tiara row

Prince Harry was reportedly summoned by the Queen after a furious row ahead of his wedding to Meghan, the new book claims.

Organising the wedding of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex was "particularly stressful" with rows about scheduling, announcements, the gospel choir and the tiara, Mr Low wrote.

An argument broke out about arrangements to try on the Queen’s tiara, which led to Harry being summoned to see the monarch.

A source claims Harry had been "downright rude" and was "firmly put in his place" by Her Majesty, according to the book.

I remember reading that Meghan had "pages" of her side of the bullying story ready to be published. If it gets back and Meghan has a shit fit, she'll get Omid Scobie to do it (either on Twitter or his new book).

H & M would be crazy to sue. That would surely open a can of worms. First, Palace HR have multiple people on record claiming that they both were shitty to underlings. The Palace could release them from the NDA's and they could report the abuse in court under oath.

I'll handle this. I KNOW people.

If the Harkles are smart, they'll lay low for awhile while Harry "grieves" the passing of his beloved granny.

Anyone who has had a bad boss knows Meghan. They share a universal trait: deep-rooted insecurity. It is their driving force.

In my experience, insecurity is the most destructive personality trait. And people who are fueled primarily from it are tyrants. In the workplace, they turn "kiss-up-kick-down" into an art form.

For years as a struggling actress, Meghan was forced to suppress her sense of superiority and entitlement and curry favor with people she felt were inferior to her. The moment she grasped power, the suppressed rage came roaring to the surface. Those palace staffers were punished for all the inferior beings she was forced to suck up to in her journey to the bottom wrung of TV fame.

She has demonstrated how dangerous insecure people are. For those on this thread who say why didn't her staff walk out if she was so awful, they did. In droves. And they will continue to do so.

The fact that she is losing what power and prestige she had, makes her all the more dangerous. Anyone who works for her will be abused mightily. Harry, who clearly is terrified of her, will continue to let her down by his inability to help her regain power.

The A listers who once gave her cover (Clooney, Degeneres, Oprah, Elton etc.) have gone quiet. This is similar to what happens when a power-mad boss--who has won over upper management thru sheer toadying to superiors and brutality to the powerless--is seen as no longer useful and discarded.

Meghan won't recover from this. Anyone who agrees to work for her at this point is a moron. And that includes Harry.

But Harry and Meghan are not smart, so they won’t lay low.

At this point, Diana's looking like somebody with the occasional bad mood

I think both Harry and Meghan have mental problems. She's obviously borderline. This will end badly as there's nobody sane in the boat.

A question: Do we have any evidence that Meghan has ever helped anyone in a meaningful way? I don't mean evidence of symbiotic I'll-scratch-your-back-if-you-scratch-mine support. (Shilling for other "influencers.") But evidence of leveraging what power she has to boost someone who can benefit from it?

^with expecting nothing in return.

I DID 40 FOR 40...OR BY 40...OR WHATEVER THE FUCK IT WAS. I DROPPED OFF SANDWICHES IN UVALDE. WHAT MORE CAN I DO????

Do messages on bananas given out to sex workers count R285?

She once helped out by collecting lingerie for needy sexy people.

On Have I Got News for You: "The Queen's Beekeeper had to formally inform her bees that the Queen had died." The Bees: Queen? Which Queen??

She gave a homeless man a backpack.

^Fact check. Miss Markle ordered her security guy to give a homeless guy a backpack, while remaining in the car with the woman who was "interviewing her for The Cut.

^^^ for the benefit of the woman who was interviewing her for The Cut.

Strictly performative.

Despite H&M’s many faults, Charles need to bring peace to his family. Going scorched-earth on them is not the way to do it.

Funny how Rachel’s “good deeds” are always captured in the presence of media R292.

Face it, Markle was out-Markled.

They need to go their separate ways. Now that the Queen is gone, there won’t be as many events. For everyone sakes, including ours, I hope this all fades away.

Well, when the many faults include being immature, untrustworthy, lazy and entitled, how do you suggest Charles bring peace? Keeping them at arm's length seems the wise decision to me.

Peace? That's OVAH unless of course MM disappears and Harry moves back to the UK with his children. A long shot at best.

I don't know what the guy can realistically do. What they want will only create more problems (assuming it's still half in, half out, though at this point one can also imagine the most surreal apology in human civlization - scripted word salad delivered via an Oprah sit down in the Throne Room at Buckingham Palace.)

Reading Low's excerpts puts a whole new spin on MM's appearance at the walkabout and funeral She was literally waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Performative

that partially explains the Kate frame up

The only ones with the potential to go scorched earth are Harry and Meghan, R294. At which point they are bound to fail. The Royal family has access to millions of pounds, billions in properties, a thousand years of history, remarkable public support in the United Kingdom and the means, the people, and every intention of preserving it.

The Harkles have their resentments, an amazing string of losses thanks to their own pig-headedness, a history of readily exposed lies than Little Red Riding Hood had breadcrumbs, witnesses with damning stories to tell about their behavior and no known PR these days. Not a good place for them to be. David only beat Goliath once and nothing we've seen makes me think they have the skills of a David.

My money's on the family and exile along the lines of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor - poodles for people with more money than them. Sometimes you can treat a cancer, sometimes you have to excise it. Harry and Meghan seem to think that baiting their family will get them what they want. Foolishly, as it hasn't yet and doesn't look it will.

R298 and comments like them are puzzling to me. Why his he any better than Meghan? Why is she the only one blamed when he also was accused of bullying and enabled her every step of the way? This is the part of the narrative I will never understand. I bet these same people exempted 20-something Harry wearing a Nazi uniform as a childish mistake. The same people who, if and when they divorce, will make him out to be some dumb innocent preyed upon by an opportunistic American divorcee actress... despite him being his big age when they were together.

^^^ a history of MORE readily exposed lies

Harry was at least manageable before Meghan showed up. But I agree that the book makes him look just as bad, and in some ways worse because he took no measures to curtail his wife's awful behavior.

R304, Harry had better PR and deeper public goodwill, but the real difference may be that he’s just a better actor: he was able to convince people that he was charming and fun.

I think Harry - and I do not mean this sympathetically - has some distorted view of chivalry as a consequence of what happened to his mother. Did he imagine, as a coping mechanism, he could have saved her somehow? Does he blame himself for something that wasn't his fault? If it's so she wrote that if he didn't make a statement she would break up with him is a pressure tactic that would have sent what you imagine to be a strong, centred man running in the opposite direction.

R303, agreed. Maybe the strategy - and I don't think there is one - but maybe it's to let them run out of money in due course and then shut them up with purse strings.

[quote] For the life of me I just don't get why any of you care.

Because this is new gossip about one of the most famous women in the world, and this is a gay gossip site? Just a guess.I

[quote]I would bet even QE2 yelled at staff at a few points.

Yeah, that's likely.

"YOU MISERABLE PIECES OF SHIT! I ASKED FOR MARMALADE WITH MY TOAST, NOT RASPBERRY JAM!! SHIT ON YOUR MOTHER!!"

The Harkles had the potential to be positive agents of change, but instead they opted to be confrontational.

Better luck with your next husband and his family Megs. Maybe you’ll learn from this.

I don’t believe this, so don’t @ me. Posting because it made me laugh

[quote] There are some really ugly things said about pretty much everybody who gets a mention on this board. Even St. Dolly Parton can't escape accusations of lesbianism.

Suggesting a woman might be a lesbian isn't "ugly", r252.

Cracks me up when these paternity questions pop up about Harry, R313. Harry is the spitting image of a young Prince Philip only with red hair (which comes from Diana's side).

R300, which shoe are you talking about? The impending publishing of the Low book? Knowing that she was going to fight for kid's titles during time when fam was mourning?

The thing about Harry worrying that he had time to make his mark "only" until George turned 18 sounds a bit nonsense to me. George still has another 9 years to go until he's 18, so Harry would have had about 12-18 years to make his mark when he was allegedly thinking that.

Besides, the age of majority for royals is more like 21 (e.g. Counsellors of State) and presumably George would have followed in his grandfather's and father's footsteps and gone to university or perhaps in his uncle's and joined the army for some years. It's not as though as soon as George hits 18 he's going to be an uber-prominent royal. He might perform a few official duties but nothing much. George's dad would probably prefer him to take things slowly and ease into his role.

In any case, Harry's public role as a royal was not dependent on his nephew or his brother.

[quote]The thing about Harry worrying that he had time to make his mark "only" until George turned 18

What 'mark' would this mentally disordered individual think he make? We have never seen anything more than feeble attempts at mental health initiatives (in concert with his rational brother and sister-in-law, mind you).

So when finally 'freed' from the chains of his Royal life, where he "had to be on all the time", is the past few years the 'mark' that he wants to make? Is the 'mark' he had in mind infantile blaming for his 'victimhood'? He certainly has accomplished that, but its not a 'mark' that does anyone on the [planet any good, including himself most importantly.

Lazy asshole that didn't want to work.

I assume it’s more about the spotlight and perks (money, status, etc) than actually making a mark in some meaningful way. It’s about being in the front row, not second. Pecking order in the family is obviously very important to him. Also, despite complaining about it, craves the media attention.

[quote]In any case, Harry's public role as a royal was not dependent on his nephew or his brother.

He need only have looked to his Aunt's role, still chugging along at 72. So it's incorrect, that stupid or that easily led.

He wants to be held in high regard by all those around him at all times.

Word to Prince Harry: You should have stayed in The Firm where your public image was managed like like a surgeon with a scalpel.

His only way out of this is to ditch Meghan and the kids, move to Africa, own a game reserve, find a rational wife, and start over again. The Firm can handle the payments to the California ex-wife and kids in perpetuity.

^ And tie the money to good behaviour.

Not gonna happen. They will never divorce.

That’s a terrible thing to say that he should ditch his kids. They are innocent in all this and deserve a father in their lives. I don’t think being a deadbeat dad would exactly endear him to the masses.

It seems management on LSA has moved the Meghan Markle Unpopular Opinion Thread 9 to a part of the site that you need to be a member to access. Did Meghan finally snap and sic her lawyers on them?

What is LSA?

Yes, the imminent publication of Low's book and the ensuing shitstorm sure to follow.

R300

Harry's emphasis on making his mark only until George is 18 reveals his true motives. Of course he could continue to do good and influential work for the Crown into his 70s, as Anne has done. But if your real interest is in being the main focus of the media's attention, yes, that does fade as you head into middle age and the heir's children come of age. Only the monarch and heir to the throne retain that kind of focus throughout their lives. The rest do the work, enjoy the private perks and greater freedom, and get on with things.

Harry was never interested in serving the people of the UK. He thinks we should all serve him with attention and adoration. No wonder his behavior really began to curdle once William's children were born, and no wonder he seems to have no relationship with them at all. How will he treat his own kids if they grow up to be good-looking and charismatic enough to steal what little spotlight he'll maintain as he gets older? What if Lilibet becomes a successful actress? Will he reject her the way he did William and William's kids?

R326 Lipstick Alley

R290, any keepers of bees know it is necessary to inform the bees of the death of their keeper and also other family events. Telling the bees is widespread this side of the Atlantic.

More tea!!!! Sussex Staff became increasingly upset for the Sussexes blaming them for their own PR blunders. They grew tired of H&M's perpetual sense of victimhood.

[quote]That’s a terrible thing to say that he should ditch his kids.

It is a terrible thing to say, let alone have to do, but for the sake of the children it really is the best for them to be kept out of the Royal machinations and all the drama that will dog them through their lifetimes if they are associated with their parent's inevitable downward spiral (yes, it can even get much worse) and Meghan's overall toxicity about every little thing. Harry needs to make a clean break. Just get the kids a loving and trustworthy nanny in their infancy, get the kids in to boarding school and out of the limelight as soon as possible, and then occasional visits to Harry and his new family as adults, if they choose. They will never come out on the good side of the Meghan and Harry's insane Hollywood marriage nonsense. Many children grow up without a father just fine. We all have our burdens.

It’s been a tradition for centuries and it’s thought that if the bees were not properly notified, they would stop producing honey or leave the hive.

The second excerpt is out now. Any interesting detail: Harry was every bit as hostile to their staff as she was and constantly sent “rude” emails. The two probably left quite a paper trail.

R314, I knew that was coming and I accept the interpretation but it isn't what I meant. There is 100% nothing wrong with being lesbian. Without getting into an off-topic I see nothing in what I've read to suggest it's reasonable to call Dolly Parton a lesbian. Just as I don't think it's reasonable based on what we've seen to call her a Republican, bald or someone who hates potatoes. My point was DL will cook up any assertion about anybody, not infrequently without basis. It was not what I meant by using the word accusation, which I knew at the time, but I hope you'll give me pass for posting in haste. It's DL, not a PhD. But I absolutely, no-attitude apologize for using that word in this context.

>>>>They found it hard to accept they were being dumped just like that. Some of them were in tears. “It was a very loyal team,” said one.

They cried because their jobs with the Sussexes were ending???

Rumour has it the bees are not interested in working for The Royals under their new leadership and are demanding housing in Montecito commensurate with their Royal status; where the weather is more conducive to their pursuits and their celebrity status can be truly leveraged. They don't believe that Beyonce has a clue about what being a Queen Bee is all about and are keen to show America how to get busy. They see reverence and opportunity where others simply see honey.

I'm only four paragraphs in and Harry just screams I AM SUCH A SPECTACULAR TWAT!!! And he's too stupid to realize he was biting the hands that had fed the masses the "Harry's just one of the lads" claptrap! Good grief, I am bowled over by how awful he is.

According to Excerpt 2, the Survivors' Club members describe her as a "narcissistic sociopath".

Thank you for posting this R334.

Stick a fork in the Harkles. They’re done.

r340 How encouraging to see King Charles begin his reign with two corpses in Montecito.

Sam Cohen sounds like a canny lady:

[quote]Sam Cohen, who had 17 years’ experience of working at the Palace, would frequently say to Edward Young, the Queen’s private secretary, and Clive Alderton, Charles’s private secretary, that if it all went wrong, the Palace needed evidence of the duty of care it had shown to Harry and Meghan. The duty of care was crucial. “[Sam] was a broken record with them on that,” said a source.

Yeah, that didn't make sense, R336. It could be that these were people who had less to do with Meghan Markle than their superiors, and who actually bought her whole progressive shtick.

“We were played”

This made me laugh. Meghan presenting herself as a well-read intellectual:

[QUOTE]Meghan’s lawyers also argued that she had no idea about Sheikh Mohammed’s involvement in Khashoggi’s murder. However, Meghan once told a gathering for International Women’s Day that she read The Economist because she sought out “journalism that’s really covering things that are going to make an impact”. Between mid-October and early November 2018, The Economist ran at least two articles examining the role of Sheikh Mohammed in Khashoggi’s murder.

I resisted buying the Brown and Bower books, but this is a must have. Bower's book lingered at #1 for weeks on the Times best seller list. This one has top it. What great lazy Saturday afternoon reading. Thanks for posting.

Wow! Just wow. This is all so delicious. It confirms my instincts about her since Harry issued that statement likening her to Diana's death. She was barely on my radar before that.

But that was a huge clue and congratulate yourself if you spotted that early on.

I should feel guilty reveling in these revelations but oddly I don't. Am I going to hell, or maybe purgatory for a bit?

From these excerpts it sounds like Harry inherited the worst traits of both parents: Charles's sulkiness, Diana's hair-trigger temper, and both parents's self-centeredness.

I have to say too that the portrait of Meghan that emerges from all these books (excepting Scobie's) is always the same: Meghan schemed and schemed, and walked all over everyone.

I think the BRF are well rid of both of them. Unfortunately they have to be back for the coronation where they will create even more drama, but I hope otherwise they are just left to themselves to twist in the wind.

Today's excerpt cheapens the whole tale. Yesterday the excerpt said staff complained they were bullied. Today's excerpt said they felt dumped and played?

.....

Don't worry r348, there's a shit-ton more to come! Like recordings, and email trails, if the TRF deems it necessary.

Stop twisting words R348

R348, it’s a portrait of the staff’s view of things. They had been sold the same bill of goods about Harry as everyone else, and had been told to do their very best. Throughout everything, they were genuinely trying to help and were left unprotected by the Palace, which had no way of dealing with people as unpleasant as Harry and Meghan.

R348 That’s not remotely incompatible. They’d spent 2 years doing everything this pair of cunts asked then suddenly, without warning, their jobs were gone.

R350 What “recordings” exactly?

And Meghan doesn't understand why she wasn't wanted at Balmoral the day of HM's death? Or why they weren't invited to the reception with government officials following the service of Thanksgiving during the Jubilee? They had to hermetically seal the nanny in the aircraft for fear of leaks. Damn, they play a nasty game.

I hope we hear more from Lorren!

[QUOTE]When Harry and Meghan went to Canada for their six-week break in November 2019, their escape plans were already laid, amid the greatest secrecy. Meghan would not even tell their nanny, Lorren, where they were going. According to one source, she did not know where they were going until the plane — a private jet — was in the air.

Even if you are miserable in a job, you want to leave on your own volition, not unceremoniously dropped with no warning.

R342, bingo. Says to me they knew it wasn't going to last in some form,

R365: I'm in North America and I ordered it from Amazon yesterday... should ship over by some time mid-October but may be sooner. I've got some stuff from the UK fast. But again doesn't actually hit distribution til Oct. 6?

[quote]“I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this.”

Margaret: "Did you neglect to mark it on your timesheet as "billable hours?"

Elizabeth: (laughs)

Angel enters.

Elizabeth: A gin and Dubonnet, thank you. Margaret, would you like anything?

[quote]Part of the problem, according to one source, was that everyone in the Palace was too genteel and civil: “When someone decides not to be civil, they have no idea what to do. They were run over by her, and then run over by Harry.”

I literally laughed out loud at that one! So much for the dreadful grey men! "I say, old chap." "Don't ask me. Such dreadful manners!"

[quote]Two years later, Meghan’s narrative would once again be at odds with the memories of those who once worked with her.

What's the phrase? Recollections may vary?

What's going on in Montecito? Are they like screaming "Lies!" at their iPhones? Are they capable of going "Oh, fuck"?

I highly doubt either of them care. When people are coming after you 24/7, it must just become background noise.

Oh Meghan and Harry do care , they read all the comment sections about them . That's part of their problem too .

I've always thought there was a basic misunderstanding at the beginning of the relationship on the Palace's side. If you are even a supporting actor on a British TV series, you are used to the tabloids taking an interest in you (generally negative) and you are relatively famous. In the UK, the BBC, Sky, ITV and Channel 4 don't really produce that many TV shows. It isn't like here where there are probably a hundred TV series nobody has ever heard of on cable channels nobody ever watches, producing "content". The Palace and Harry probably thought Meghan was used to being famous and having the media invading her privacy.

But she wasn't. I had never heard of her or Suits before she started her romance with Harry. And her only contact with the media was through Suits' publicists which naturally gave her flattering coverage trying to boost her and the series. But that coverage was pretty minimal. So I suppose she thought all that fame would translate into 10 million puffpieces. She wasn't prepared for criticism or the tabloids' habit of building celebrities up the better to tear them down.

Basically, a misunderstanding and if Harry and Meghan had waited like William suggested so she could get a better idea of what the media coverage would be and find out if she could deal with it - Chelsy couldn't - they would probably have broken up. She had wanted to be a big star her whole life and she had imagined it much different from how it turned out. s

What are the laws about surreptitious recording in the UK? Can a recording be made without the other party's knowledge or consent like Omarosa did when she secretly recorded Trump with her pen? It's legal in DC. In my state it's illegal unless it's to capture evidence of a crime. I can see how staff would be very tempted to record interactions with the couple, especially the woman who was phone stalked by Meghan. I wonder if the offices have interior security cameras. Even if there aren't recordings, the electronic trail is too damning to dismiss.

One thing that I took away from this excerpt is that it appears Meghan lied to her lawyers about the provenance of the MbS earrings. This would be the second time, at least, that she has lied to them. The other lie being about her participation in Scobie's book for which she had to apologize to the court to avoid perjury charges. Lawyers don't like it when clients deliberately mislead them. It makes them look bad and possibly unethical. How long before Schilling drops them?

R362 Meghan wanted that kind of fame though but she had to hire her own paparazzi and that probably also gave a her a warped sense of what it would be like . And when she finally had that kind of fame she didn't like it at all because she could no longer control her own image .

r361, you're confusing your sexual fantasies with reality again.

British: "Recollections may vary."

American: "You lying sack of shit."

Diana and Fergie called the courtiers "the grey men" because in their time in the BRF the courtiers they worked with were all socially-conservative middle-aged or older men. (They also wore grey because it was such a popular suit color for Establishment dress in the UK in the 80s and early 90s.)

But the palace recognized that having younger royals (particularly women who married into the family) working with older conservative men was a mistake because they tended to be bullied by the older male courtiers, so after Diana's death the palace much more frequently assigned younger people in their thirties to the younger royals. Moreover, it also began to be recognized that not only men should be courtiers but that women should be too. Harry and Meghan (especially) love the term "the grey men" because it makes them out to be victims, like Diana; but in actuality they were mostly served by women and men in their 30s.

great point R367

Don't believe the propaganda. Chelsy's problem wasn't with media coverage of the BRF, it was Harry's cheating, boorishness and overall stupidity that drove her away .

So after the hullabaloo made about Clarence House employees being given notice a few days after the Queen died, just after a church memorial, turns out Harry & Meghan dumped their staff just the same. In fact, in probably the way they did it was EXACTLY in line what was reported about the Charles situation which, on closer examination, was not as abrupt and insensitive as it was made out to be. I'm sure the Sussex staffers that cried are the type of people that don't want to think the worst of people (i.e. that Meghan is a "narcissist sociopath) and just beat themselves up every time they got yelled at; now, after how hard they tried to be better for Meghan and Harry, they've been unceremoniously sacked. I'm sure other staffers of the more cynical sort hit the bar with each other to celebrate.

Basically, Harry and Meghan quit their jobs with no notice and expected to keep receiving their salaries, the company car, health insurance coverage, per diems, etc.

[QUOTE]I'm sure the Sussex staffers that cried are the type of people that don't want to think the worst of people (i.e. that Meghan is a "narcissist sociopath) and just beat themselves up every time they got yelled at;

You bring up an excellent point, r370. The staffers probably came from genteel middle or upper middle class families (maybe aristocratic families?) and, if I'm to rely on stereotypes about the British, that kind of yelling and carrying on just doesn't happen in those families. (yes, probably an overgeneralization) They probably didn't have the exposure to such diseased types or life experience to be able to make heads or tails of them. When "normal" people with little or no experience deal with personality disorders, they're unsettled and usually try to be nice and amenable in situations and become confused why there's no improvement or recognition for efforts. Some realize what's up and disengage, some become codependent and ensnared in their web. What's awfu is that they don't know how to deal with them because they haven't developed the skills and internal resources to handle such pathology, hence the crying., if anything due to the exhaustion.

I grew up with an irredeemable mean, narcissistic mother. She was the weird lady in the neighborhood; she picked fights with every next door neighbor we had. She belittled my entire life. But I developed a tough skin. I've never cried in a work setting (I'm a female). I used to work in a crisis mental health facility right after college, and when we had a house full of Axis II disorders, the stress was through the roof. But, fortunately I learned the skill of gray rocking and my employment wasn't contingent on pleasing the lunatics in the asylum.

Yeah, tl;dr. In short, I feel really bad for the captives at Kensington and understand their reactions. The younger ones at least were babes in the woods.

Basically they're just not nice people and they'll do whatever they want with no shame. I wouldn't be surprised if they read Ayn Rand and agreed that selfishness was a virtue.

R343 I would certainly be surprised if they were capable of discerning meaning from Ayn Rand!

I struggle to picture intellectual conversations from Harry, Archie is probably fast approaching his reading level

Both Harry and Meghan are mentally ill. He's also dumb. She's very manipulative, a real schemer. A terrible combination.

Yeah, I doubt that they are big Ayn Rand fans. Harry because he's a moron who doesn't read anything, and Meghan because she's under the delusion that she is selfless and helps the "little people," which definitely does not feature in any Ayn Rand book.

Are narcissists aware of their folie de grandeur?

I figured Meghan was a manipulative, scheming, lying, pretentious, pushy, fake, phony, cunt.

Does the narcissism explain why she was so BAD at this? Many manipulative, scheming, lying, pretentious, pushy, fake, phony, cunt, who are pretty and not mentally ill, rise to the top with these techniques.

[quote]No one is going to come take away their money or force them to live in an isolated cabin in Siberia

We have acclimatized them to THE COLD.

[quote]Textbook bullying- the continual, harassing phone calls.

[quote]How will these two lie their way out of this one?

Butt dialing.

I love that photo of Meghan at r360 with her eye makeup smeared and her crazed eyes bugged out.

She looks just like the furious and wigged out Mercedes Ruehl when she shows up at the hotel room door in "Married to the Mob" to kill Dean Stockwell.

(Sorry--I meant at r349, not r360)

I notice this thread has been greyed out...the Meghan cult must be at work....it wasnt greyed out a few hours ago.

It's been grey at least since this morning,

What was the "row about the gospel choir" for the wedding all about? I never read the details of that particular row.

I'd like to see Meghan put in the same room with Kathleen Battle and see which one survives.

r347 do they really need to be at the Coronation?

R252 I just want to say I see you, I hear you, I don't know why the reading comprehension here suffers badly on random posts but it seems yours was one of them. Great post, not at all pro-Sussex, didn't deserve the negative reactions.

^Do you think you could highlight the post you're referring to, or do you expect everyone to paw thru 100 messages? Rude.

I don’t think they’ll go to the coronation. I don’t know how they can take yet another cool reception. By the time it rolls around Harry’s book will be published. I don’t think the family would really want them there either. I’m not fan of Charles, but it’s pretty sad for him.

[quote]The other lie being about her participation in Scobie's book for which she had to apologize to the court to avoid perjury charges.

Again, no. One of her aides gave information to Scobie and she knew about it, but she didn't know what the information was. Her original statement was that she didn't give specific information to Scobie, and later had to clarify that she did know the aide gave that information.

At no point was she threatened with perjury. That's another one of those things you guys invented which you now tell people is true.

Meghan's on the phone to Scobie every day. Give me a break. She dictated everything.

If Sparklrs opens her huge mouth, count on a lie coming forthwith.

LOl yes, telling an aide what information to give to Scobie is way better than telling him directly, Keep trying!

Is any of this new? I’ve already heard about her rudeness to staff, the tiara business and senior staff concerns about the Duchess. I haven’t heard anything about the crying over tights on the flower girls. They should title this book “Rehash #.”

From R2: "Jason Knauf did not join them because he had recently broken his collar bone." How did that happen?

R389 - the fact that you can't name the aide suggests that you're not as familiar with what transpired as you think you are. The information was transmitted to Jason Knauf via emails and personal meetings with him with the express purpose of passing it along to Scobie and Durand

Why did you lie or did you not read your own reference?

[QUOTE]But in new evidence heard on Wednesday, Jason Knauf, the couple's former communications secretary, said the book was "discussed on a routine basis" and "discussed directly with the duchess multiple times in person and over email".

[QUOTE]He also discussed planning a meeting with the authors to provide background information and said Meghan had given him briefing points to share with them, including information on how she had "very minimal contact" with her half-siblings during her childhood.

This is Datalounge, not some site devoted to Q and MAGAts.

r248 said

[quote]However, I suspect manipulative Meg will counter with a pregnancy which will provide her protection

Chrissy Teigen is a good example of this, now that she is pregnant again people are treating her with kid gloves. She and Meghan would either be best of friends or tear each other apart.

"I'd like to see Meghan put in the same room with Kathleen Battle and see which one survives."

I'd pay full price for that PPV! And place a large bet on Battle!

And I bet that Charles is going to push to get the coronation over with before Harry's book comes out, and not just because of potential embarrassment. He'll still have a little hope that reconciliation is possible, or at least, a payoff. Because yes, Charles can definitely afford to stop the publication of a book.

HARRY IS A SPOILED ASSHOLE:

A book written by The Times' royal correspondent Valentine Low claims that, during a five-hour flight from Tonga to Sydney, Harry's press handlers promised he would thank the media for being there.

Mr Low writes in 'Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown' that the couple appeared once the plane had landed, with Harry "sounding rushed" as he told reporters: "Thanks for coming."

The prince then reportedly added: "Even though you weren't invited."

An extract reads: "This was spectacularly rude — and incorrect. The media had been invited to cover the tour."

Harry's staff are later said to have told him "how badly" the comment had been received, to which he reportedly replied: “Well, you shouldn’t have made me do it.”

[quote] "Jason Knauf did not join them because he had recently broken his collar bone." How did that happen?

Probably he corrected a spelling error she made.

[quote]One of her aides gave information to Scobie and she knew about it, but she didn't know what the information was.

No, R389. From your own link:

[quote]The Duchess of Sussex has apologised to a court for making a misleading statement in her privacy case against the Mail on Sunday's publishers. The Appeal Court heard she had asked an aide to pass on information to the authors of a biography - despite having earlier said she "did not contribute".

Meghan had to apologise for MISLEADING the court. She said she hadn't participated in Scobie's book when in fact she had. Does anyone on earth believe that she forgot participating in a book about herself? Come on now.

As for being 'threatened" with perjury - not directly, no. I don't believe that's how the UK legal system works (she either would be charged or she wouldn't be). Without the apology - and technically even with it - she was definitely leaving herself open to perjury charges, though. She lied to the court. She said she had not participated in Scobie's book when she had, and there was proof.

Hmm...

I remember the articles about the "Even though you weren't invited" remark. Journalists really don't like people who dislike the media, and Harry HATES the media. When he made the crack there were multiple journalists who said he's mentally ill, tortured, obsessed with us, etc. Lots of melodrama.

Meghan want the only one accepting freebies, though... And William didn't get his lawyers involved for his sister in law the way he did for his wife in the same situation.

The posters on here act as if the BRF are so ethical that Meghan was the only one doing this.

For the millionth time R401 its their character that is the issue, not her race.

This is important information R403. Has Gayle King been notified?

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The 2nd excerpt is less compelling. For those of us convinced that MM is a basic, grasping, climber, it reads as confirmation. But for those who believe the kind, humanitarian, victim narrative, the stories can easily be reframed to her advantage.

I do like the Times' choice of pics. In the first, all Harry's missing is a lobster red face and can of beer in his hand. And another one shows why H&M can't be popular with progressives--they're dolled up in their colonist gear while the natives perform.

Meghan's aides branded her a 'narcissistic sociopath' over her demanding behaviour - and gave themselves the name 'Sussex Survivors Club', new book claims

The book describes the Sussexes’ deteriorating relationship with their staff – a ‘succession of... decent people’ who had believed in Meghan and ‘would have done anything’ to help the couple succeed.

But it alleges that aides came to believe that Meghan’s departure was premeditated and that ‘one of [her] concerns was whether she was going to be able to make money for herself’.

I wrote this before...when you read about MM's behaviour at the Reitman's shoot, the way she treated the crew, and the demands she made of the hotel, you have to wonder if she is insane. She was not some mega-diva commanding millions of dollars for a performance like Beyoncé or Rihanna. No one outside of Canada had ever heard of her. Yet she behaved as if she were famous on that level. And given that she had come from a Hollywood tech background, where her father had been far more important and significantly better paid than she had ever been, you'd have thought she would have been more respectful to the crew.

I'd read that R11, but only for the forward. Love that ghostbitch!

[quote] The other lie being about her participation in Scobie's book for which she had to apologize to the court to avoid perjury charges.

[quote] Again, no. One of her aides gave information to Scobie and she knew about it, but she didn't know what the information was.

R389 Megs has the mother of all control jones. She would not allow an "aide" to randomly provide information to anyone without knowing EXACTLY what that information entailed. Another one of Megs lies.

The staffers were crying because they lost their jobs. Getting a job at the Palace is an enormous deal. They were probably hoping that if they could withstand the abuse in this one assignment they could be promoted to greener pastures. And suddenly all that work is wasted because they no longer have Palace jobs.

Also, they suddenly had no jobs at all. Not a nice thing to spring on anyone, abused or otherwise.

Lol r410, wtf fuck does "free gifts" mean? Gifts are by definition something given to you for free. If they were gifts that Kate had to give something in exchange for, then that would be the real problem.

[quote]Harry's staff are later said to have told him "how badly" the comment had been received, to which he reportedly replied: “Well, you shouldn’t have made me do it.”

For as much as the Harkles worship at the altar of Saint Diana, you'd think as a middle aged adult man Harry would recognize how his mother used her charm to play the press like a fiddle (often against his father). Yes, she bitched about the press attention, but she actively courted it. If one day they went away & never came back, she'd be devastated. As a younger man, you can understand the resentment but as an older man who wants to make (some kind of) an impact, you'd think he'd recognize that without the forum of the press, he's just talking to himself. William clearly gets that & their press clearly shows he's managed to win them over with charm, a nice attractive family, a pleasant word now & then, etc. But why didn't Harry ever have this revelation?

Harry once said he looks forward to going to war as it would be like his video games

""It's a joy for me because I'm one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox, so with my thumbs I like to think I'm probably quite useful," he said"

I have a mother just like this too r372. I've been onto Markle from day one. One look at her social media confirmed everything you needed to know.

R401 If Diana would have hated Meghan (and probably Kate too ) . She went after Tiggy because her sons liked her too much , she would have been the mother in law from hell . Also , Diana was an aristocrat and monarchist and proud of it , there is just no way she would have supported Harry's current behaviour

R413, I think he and Meghan planned to do it their way (which wasn't available to Diana), i.e. only speaking to media they choose and using their own social media/website to communicate with the public. During Megxit they proclaimed that in future they'd only be talking to hand-picked media outlets, and their Megxit manifesto was posted on their Instagram.

The strategy hasn't worked for them because they had to give up their respectable Instagram (and I'm guessing Harry hasn't yet OKed a celeb-style Instagram), I doubt anyone checks out Archewell's website, and their choice of media hasn't been great, either. Meghan made a fool of herself on the Ellen show and let The Cut portray her in all her ridiculousness.

Harry and William were well over 30 when MM came onto the scene. He and William would have shared many, many tales about would-be gold diggers, star fuckers, and opportunists of every kind. How is it MM got through the net? One look at her shabby past, eg suitcase girl pics, should have rung every alarm bell.

R417 Diana had Richard Kay on stand by . He was basically her Scobie.

I worry what this "war of the books" will do to the reputation of the monarchy. Andrew was bad enough. Does Charles have a knife sharp enough to truly create a leaner royal family that puts all of the baggage to the rear and can serve the UK well in the coming years, without the constant drip drip of tales of bad behavior.

Harry called out the right people #racistbritishpress #racistbritishmedia whose agents I see working on these boards like little cockroaches

The more they attack the RF the more they rise in the polls. Plus it makes Dook & Douchess of Overseas look more & more like tone deaf, spoiled petulant rich folk. Spoiled, moaning, crying spoiled baby Rich folk will face more & more hatred as things get harder & harder for the poors.

r421, there's no way Harry came up with that on his own

r403, Did it not occur to you William used his lawyers because Emily Andrews was wrong? He isn't the one who sues everone all the time. Why the fuck should he pay lawyers to defend his brother's wife? That is on Harry and Meghan. They want to be treated equally to William but somehow he is expected to act as their protector? What crap.

R384 The row with the gospel choir: basically Meghan rejected every arrangement to the song they sung at the wedding; she had them at wits end up until the 11th hour when she finally gave her approval. Additionally, Meghan hadn't wanted a gospel choir in the first place; that was Charles' idea (he's a fan of gospel). I doubt she was ready to out-and-out fight with Charles at this point, so she probably took out her displeasure at being "controlled" on the choir. Cunt.

I doubt she could even tell the difference between the dozen different arrangements of "stand by me" but was flexing as usual

One more argument to the argument Kate taking freebies may have essentially been the publication of incorrect information. It was 2018 (assuming the alleged take was 2018 here) but in any event, Kate had been married and an HRH at that point for seven years and involved with William since 2003. It is unlikely freebies wouldn't pass through other hands before coming into her possession and unlikely she wouldn't have well know the rules by then.

[quote]I wrote this before...when you read about MM's behaviour at the Reitman's shoot, the way she treated the crew, and the demands she made of the hotel, you have to wonder if she is insane. She was not some mega-diva commanding millions of dollars for a performance like Beyoncé or Rihanna. No one outside of Canada had ever heard of her. Yet she behaved as if she were famous on that level.

No fan of Narcle, but somebody else upthread (or elsewhere) phrased it in a way I remember: we've all had this boss and at the root is insecurity. That's not insanity, just garden variety nasty. Plus, there's plenty of ambitious people with a little stature who get places by acting entitled and gambling nobody's going to say anything.

Thank you R425. Messing with the gospel choir... nice way to treat your supposed heritage. The ultimate Bridezilla.

The real issue Meghan never understood is that the Royal Family has a unique relationship with Staff and Servants. In many cases Staff and servants stay in service through the Royal Family over generations.

Like servants at Balmoral , Windsor , Sandringham. They will have been employed at the local village and their father , grandfather etc will have served as well.

The way many of the staff and servants are treated are almost as family. The pay is not great. But they are incredibly loyal.

So for Meghan to bully staff and servants is unforgivable in the Royal Family’s eyes. You can just tell.

[quote] So for Meghan to bully staff and servants is unforgivable in the Royal Family’s eyes.

And, if true, never mind the Royal Family. That's a mistake a wily, shrewd climber wouldn't have made.

Noblesse Oblige is on the syllabus for Beginning Gold-Digger 101

That's the true Markle fuck-up here.

[quote]The pay is not great.

They're poor. They do pay what they can.

The sad thing is had Harry and Meghan just gone their separate way and complained and explained to their therapists instead of the whole world, which can't do a damn thing about it anyway no matter who Is telling the truth, then their relationship with the BRF would be OK and they would be a lot more marketable and most of this stuff would never have seen the light of day.

R433 when they first left, I thought 'well, good for them', they want to lead a private life. But of course they don't, they want to be Celebrities and their only marketable skill is trashing the royal family.