Doctors say Graham’s abortion ban would force women to have transvaginal ultrasounds

There are lady bugs in there!!

Yikes, those things look nasty.

Well, transvaginas are not wholly unknown to La Senatrice, you know.

This is a bonus for Republicans. They love violating women.

Yah! The government gets to rape women!

The violation of rights is the whole goal. The more violations, the better for people like him.

he's doing this so he'll get outed and be able retire in disgrace.

JFC.

Leave it to DL to be in hysterics over this.

This is an ultrasound device used by pretty much every OBGYN during a NORMAL, non pregnancy, scheduled pap-smear appointment.

Also, thanks Lindsay! Because you’re supporting something you give zero fucks about, women will turn out to vote in droves against the Republicans this midterm! 👍🏽

I swear Miss Lindsey got herself a new Dem boyfriend and is doing everything he can to destroy the Repigs, because he wants the new boyfriend to like him

Yeah, girl, we all know about being dicknotized 🙄

R8 No, it is not. You are either not a woman or your doctor is up to some funny business. This device is only used when serious problems are suspected, such as endometriosis.

The more painful, humiliating, and horrible that they can make it for women the more their tinymeat will flutter.

Next up: they'll demand that all of these procedures be videotaped so that the rapists, preachers, and conservative Congresspeople can watch. For "quality control" purposes, of course! You know, since the medical community is soooo untrustworthy these days!

Can we stick it up Miss Lindsey's butt and crank up the juice? 🤪

I agree with you R9. Why would he do this in an election year, especially after the Kansas vote? He's lost his mind... unless he thinks keeping Congress in democratic hands would make it easier for republican presidential candidates to campaign in 24.

You do know women are the root of all evil, right? It's right there in Genesis. Eve defied God and tempted Adam to join her, bringing original sin down on the human species and as punishment God decreed that she had to suffer pain in childbearing.

Also everybody knows that men only sin because of women. Like there would totally be no gays if women bowed to God's law to serve men's needs. Every man would want a wife if they were only pretty and loving and obedient!

[quote]Why would he do this in an election year, especially after the Kansas vote?

Well, he thought that the title of his bill -- Protecting Pain-Capable Unborn Children from Late-Term Abortions Act -- would push the buttons of the gullible and uninformed. But it hasn't worked out so well for him.

@r14, "Every man would want a wife if they were only pretty and loving and obedient! "

If they can clean house and make sandwiches too, I'll give it a shot

This is what white women keep voting for.

R8

I guess you don't know any women, because a transvaginal ultrasound is not part of a routine gynecological exam.

Bullshit, R8.

Perhaps your OBGYN doesn’t have this equipment, or chooses to not use.

My OBGYN, who practices in one of the best medical groups in all of Los Angeles, uses it to screen for multiple things, not just endometriosis, which I’ve never had.

Also, I have zero reasons to make this up or even consider lying about if. Why would I? That’s ridiculous.

Given, my statement that everyone uses these may have been much too broad, but my OBGYN, who is a woman, uses it.

If I’ve gotten a Pap smear from an NP or PA, it’s not used, so there is also, that distinction.

Oops! My comment was for R10.

Also, this device isn’t painful or invasive.

It’s more comfortable than using a tampon every month.

Sheesh.

[quote] This is an ultrasound device used by pretty much every OBGYN during a NORMAL, non pregnancy, scheduled pap-smear appointment.

Um, NO.

There's the ultrasound placed on a pregnant woman's abdomen and one that is stuck up her vagina, only in unusual circumstances of pregnancy.

Pap smears NEVER include an ultrasound.

R21, sometimes Pap smears do require ultra sound, depending on one’s medical history, or the medical history of one’s mother, grandmothers, aunts, sisters, etc.

You guys all sound ridiculous.

GMAFB.

[quote] sometimes Pap smears do require ultra sound, depending on one’s medical history, or the medical history of one’s mother, grandmothers, aunts, sisters, etc.

Sure, but this is extraordinarily rare--under unusual circumstances.

To claim: "This is an ultrasound device used by pretty much every OBGYN during a NORMAL, non pregnancy, scheduled pap-smear appointment." IS A LIE

Texted both my sisters and mom. Only one sister had had the trans vag ultra thing, when her doctor was afraid she might be miscarrying my nephew.

Whoever upthread who said it was a regular thing needs to provide proof or ...haha... nevermind. We all know they were full of shit. Just go ask any lady in your life if that trans vag ultra thing happens at EVERY pap exam.

No need to report back. Just VOTE BLUE!!

R20

You must use some rock-hard tampons.

r8/R19/R20: is it possible that your “fancy” OB/GYN is simply running up the bill? If your insurance is paying for it …

Disgusting. Absolutely revolting.

Gays and lesbians are next.

VOTE BLUE!

I've had ultrasounds only when I had fibroids and once when I experienced a spontaneous abortion. I've never had one for a regular checkup. I live in NYC, and have always had excellent healthcare. Away from, NYC, my college and professional school's healthcare centers were like small hospitals.

I'm a woman, and I've only had an encounter with that dildo camera once. My regular gyno suspected I had a couple of fibroids about the size of an almond. (He guessed this during the part of the exam where he put two fingers inside and the other hand on my belly and then touched his hands together. Ouch!). So he sent me to a different lab to get the dildo camera test. It was uncomfortable and invasive. (Fortunately, they didn't see any fibroids.)

LOL - forcing an invasive procedure is NOT a bug in Graham's ban nor an unintended consequence.

It is a specifically designed feature of the ban - it's completely intentional with just the faintest whiff of plausible deniability on his part if people become outraged, OUTRAGED I tell you, over it.

And who's gonna pay for millions of these procedures, Miss Lindz?

R20

You need to look up the definition of "invasive." Inserting that wand with a scanner definitely qualifies.

R22

Yes, for unusual cases, not routinely.

Joining in the chorus to say R8 is full of shit.

The transvag ultrasound is an advanced diagnostic tool. It is absolutely not part of routine healthcare.

For some women it is physically or emotionally painful to undergo the procedure. They may have a health issue that makes inserting anything into the vagina painful. Or they may be rape or domestic violence victims and may suffer flashbacks when having the device inserted.

Doctors and ultrasound techs are aware of this and thus approach it very carefully.

Please don't use my name and "vagina" in the same sentence

[quote]This is an ultrasound device used by pretty much every OBGYN during a NORMAL, non pregnancy, scheduled pap-smear appointment.

No one uses a transvaginal ultrasound for a pap smear. What the fuck are you even talking about?

What's worse is it will require forced consent from the woman: If you want to have an abortion, you have to take this stick up your puss

[quote] is it possible that your “fancy” OB/GYN is simply running up the bill? If your insurance is paying for it …

Hit the nail on the head!

NO medical reason to use a transvaginal U/S unless the doc needs a close up look at something--usually a problem like endometriosis, ectopic pregnancy, fibroids, etc.

If it's being used for general visits, the doc is bill you and insurance so the doc can pay off the new machine (all the while convincing you you're getting cutting edge healthcare)

R8 not true at all…at 58, the only time I ever had one is when a pap detected pre cancerous cells… never in all the other was THAT even suggested… This is the closest Miss Graham is ever going to get to having a twat…he is a twat

Some troll is saying this is a routine thing. I have this troll blocked but I can't help but think it's that "asexual" female who lies through her teeth about abortion and is rabidly against any kind and appears to hate her own sex.

Lindsey loves pussy.

Trans Vaginal Express - the album.

It's invasive - look at the size of that thing.

Graham is a monster.

This device is not used as part of a normal routine by an OBGYN and the poster who said it was is a liar, insurance will not cover the use of unnecessary medical equipment for routine exams just because they can charge more, insurance will not allow it because a routine pap or vaginal exam can be done without it.

I think the real reason they want to require the use of this device is that it pushes the expense back on the woman instead of insurance and it can serve as a delay tactic by requiring a woman to get a referral for its use which would work against the deadline. If you live in a rural area or are poor this will not be easy to come by on short notice.

Most women don’t find out they are pregnant until they start to feel the effects and by then you are 7-9 weeks in and need to schedule an appointment which adds more time.

Lady Lindzebelle must think pooping out orange turds at Maralago is the same thing as giving birth.

After reading the posts of the person who says they get a transvaginal ultrasound every time they get a pap smear, I can only HOPE that they're just lying.

They probably are trolling or lying, like that one rightwing troll who told us that women lactate during their periods, but if they aren't then their doctor is pretty frightening.

R9. The new Miss Lindzebelle bf is Chuck Schumer?

So bizarre it makes sense.

It is ‘always’ an older guy with political power.

Brett Kavanaugh is younger but doubtful he gave the Lá Sénatrice ‘anything’ beyond the minimum to get confirmed.

[quote]like that one rightwing troll who told us that women lactate during their periods

The rightwing troll who said what???

Jackie is lactating and leaking in an old episode of Roseanne, imagine if women and girls had to live like this for a week every month.

R49, that was after having a baby, not during a period.

Lindsey's an abortion, so can we have him?

^ ugh, BAN him

I know, R50, women start lactating while pregnant, it's ridiculous for anyone to believe it's something that happens monthly outside of pregnancy and nursing.

Abortion decisions need to be left between her and her obstetrician/gynecologist/or related physician. Right-wing Republicans politicians, mostly male and knowing little about health care, defining gestation periods, and procedures allowed/not allowed at each stage, are absurd.

Miz Lindz has never been scholarly in her views.

R8 is a troll thinking he can get away with this kind of disinfo on a gay website.

And R30 is correct: this is a feature, not a bug. The GOP loves rape, and this is just a means of raping women vicariously.

R54, wait, you're saying Ladykiller Graham doesn't know a lot about women's anatomy?

But what about all those women he dated in Europe?

Those wands hurt like hell! Been there during endometriosis. Pap smears aren’t fun either, with that duck billed speculum spreading vaginal walls..but I guess prostate exams aren’t fun for guys either. What a medieval medical world we live in.

R56 I have been familiar with LG since his law school days. I knew some of his “dates”. One can be assured they didn’t have vaginas. He is not a ‘top’ either.

More babies!

Shades of Ken “Cooch” Cucinelli. He tried this in Virginia and it backfired.

I can't stand DLers who say "sheesh".

It's always preceded by some statement that proves they're among the dumbest fuckers around here-- asexual antiabortion propagandist R8 is a great example.

R58 is a liar! I've had tons of girlfriends. I have a hot supermodel girlfriend right now! I'd introduce you to her, but she's doing a photoshoot in Canada right now.

R58, then you should publicly out the fucker. Name names. He needs to go down...and not in the good way.

Definitely out this fucker

Someone tried to use this device on me once. I can't even remember why. Abnormal pap follow up I think. Anyhow, I declined and they use a normal external ultrasound wand instead.

More wands

It really feels like the GOP is trying to just give up on the '22 elections with the hopes the Dems will really fuck up when they have the Senate, House, and Pres until '24. Then they'll throw some nut job like DeSantis in there, everyone will vote GOP because inflation is through the roof and/or we're buried in a depression, and then undo everything '22 to '24.

Lady G loves a wand up her hole, so she wants everyone to get it

R26, that is definitely a possibility.

She may indeed be running up the insurance fees for additional diagnostics.

My grandmother on my paternal side of the family died in her early 50s from uterine cancer, as did one of her daughters (one of my aunts) which places me at high risk.

She also was diagnosed with breast cancer, before the uterine cancer took her out.

So yep. There are high risk situations which I am predisposed to.

So far, so good.

My grandmother on my dad’s side lived on an island all of her life. While she had access to medical care over there, it was not what we had then in the United States, nor is it what we have in the United States now.

We have superior medical care here, when we have access to great health insurance, obviously.

By the time my dad got her out here, it was too late for her, sadly enough.

First off, while a transvaginal ultrasound is not by any means routine during checkups, it IS routine during early pregnancy for screening purposes at better-equipped ob/gyns. I had one for both of my pregnancies, and it was neither especially uncomfortable nor unduly invasive (especially compared to manual pelvic exams, which really ARE routine). And a trans-vaginal ultrasound produces crystal-clear images that are much more useful than what any external ultrasound would produce at that stage.

Also, the question is practically moot in this context, since a trans-vaginal ultrasound isn't any more invasive than an actual surgical abortion, which is the point of the procedure.

That said, screw Graham with a jackhammer and keep the Repigs' hands and minds off women's bodies.

It is not routine, it is invasive. As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread.

R68, have you been screened for the BRCA gene? You should be.

Women hate other women. They don’t give a shit what someone sticks up their twat. Keep it classy ladies.

r72, most of the violence in the world is male-on-male. Why do men hate each other so much? Keep it classy, men. Keep murdering each other.

Last time I checked, it’s men who hate women and other men.

At rates higher than any other groups:

Men kill and harm men.

Men kill and harm women.

Men kill and harm children.

But, sure, women are the problem.

While on rotations, my Ob/Gyne preceptor operated an abortion clinic after hours (all self-pay) using oral prostaglandins. Every patient would require an external US (and rarely transvaginal if inconclusive) determine fetal age since it the drug was only safe/effective on pregnancies before 12 weeks. I always assume that an US was required and standard of care for abortions since it allows the provider to see which how to safely terminate the pregnancy. But again I’m not in obstetrics.

If the GOP wins in the midterms, there will not no incentive for either party to protect abortion.

If the GOP wins, it means white women voted for the GOP like they always fucking do

[quote]If the GOP wins in the midterms, there will not no [sic] incentive for either party to protect abortion.

What an absurd statement. Women aren't going to stop pushing for the restoration of abortion rights based on the outcome of one election.

I’m pleased and very grateful my OBGYN uses all diagnostic measures available to her, in order to properly evaluate my reproductive health.

Also, I’m 100% pro-choice, as some of you here claim/assume I’m not.

Ladies, if you have a family history of cervical, uterine, ovarian, breast cancers, please make sure your OBGYN uses all tools available to diagnose and treat you properly and effectively, including testing for the BCRA gene.

LadybugG can refer to her anus as her poosie, The “help” at Mar-a-Lago do know the difference.

If Republicans win the next election R78, we will never see pro choice laws again in our lifetimes, and that will lead to a broad collapse of minority rights across the board. So white women had better pull their shit together.

R70, let me say it again: anyone who considers a trans-vaginal ultrasound excessively invasive has never had a gynecological pelvic exam with palpation. THAT'S both uncomfortable and invasive, and is a routine part of an ob/gyn exam.

But I assume most of the posters here have never had cause to see a gynecologist.

But this whole discussion has no relevance to the real issue, which is that no one should be deciding which procedures a woman undergoes except the woman herself and her -- hopefully competent -- doctor.

R68

So all this time you've been rudely insisting that this type of scan is included in a routine gynecological exam when in fact YOU are a special case. Your family medical history necessitates extra procedures. The typical exam of a woman who is not pregnant or has a problem like fibroids does not involve this kind of scan.

As Miss Graham is so against abortions, then she absolutely should not have one.

Perhaps she’s turned handmaiden?

[quote]And [R30] is correct: this is a feature, not a bug. The GOP loves rape, and this is just a means of raping women vicariously.

It is intended to make getting an abortion as uncomfortable as possible to dissuade women from having one.

It is also intended to punish women for even considering having one in the first place.

It is intended to make the entire ordeal as arduous, uncomfortable, emotionally traumatic, and difficult as possible, all the while pretending to protect and ensure safety. It is a vicious and calculated attempt a punishment.

[quote] What an absurd statement. Women aren't going to stop pushing for the restoration of abortion rights based on the outcome of one election.

Actually, it's an astute statement . If the GOP wins in the midterms, women will keep pushing--but if the GOP wins, it means women voted for the GOP despite the overturning of Roe v Wade. The GOP will keep pushing its antiabortion stance because they won with it.

White women vote for the GOP by a majority when the GOP has never been shy about focusing on overturning Roe. If the GOP wins now, it means that it's just not an important enough topic to sway an election.

^ 60% of people in Kansas voted to uphold abortion rights. And something like 20-33% of Republicans voted for it

[quote]60% of people in Kansas voted to uphold abortion rights. And something like 20-33% of Republicans voted for it

A highly misleading comment.

Whether it's legal or not, it's still extremely difficult to obtain one in Kansas due to a myriad of other legislation, not to mention actual access to medical facilities to perform the procedure.

So sure, you have the "right" to have one in Kansas...good luck in finding some place where you can actually obtain one.

Do keep helping Democrats, LadyG.

[Quote] ^ 60% of people in Kansas voted to uphold abortion rights. And something like 20-33% of Republicans voted for it

Will that translate into votes for Democrats?

If women voted as a block for Dems, anti-abortion laws would be overturned overnight. Sadly that’s unlikely to happen. Women are doing this to themselves.

Dr. Lady Lindzebelle

In the 2020 election, 47% of white women voted for republicans. But that could change because of abortion. Most women are pro-choice even if they themselves would not get an abortion and not allowing for women who might die in pregnancy because they can't get an abortion will change things. A lot of teens get pregnant and I seriously those teens mother would not be into raising another kid.

^^^Doubt those mothers

They better recognize that their daughters or daughters in law could DIE from being refused care or having access to safe care before they get their grandbabies. Shit happens and medical shit happens FAST. These Republican broads who vote for FORCED BIRTH just might end up killing someone they know and love with these draconian policies.

*not having access

I love the idiots on here blaming women when it was men who made the laws, men who passed the laws, majority men on the Court who allowed the laws, and a vast, vast majority of the male electorate who votes for all these motherfuckers.

If men weren't allowed to vote, no Repug would ever win again.

If women weren't allowed to vote, no Democrat would ever win again.

So, go fuck yourselves, you lying pieces of shit.

Miss Lindz G says she wants unity.

[Quote] I love the idiots on here blaming women when it was men who made the laws, men who passed the laws, majority men on the Court who allowed the laws, and a vast, vast majority of the male electorate who votes for all these motherfuckers.

Women voted for all these men.

No one gives out rights to other groups—you have to fight for them tooth and nail. White women don’t fight for women’s rights—it’s more about race than gender.

[Quote] In the 2020 election, 47% of white women voted for republicans.

You’re wrong. 55% of white women voted for Trump in 2020. Whites women vote GOP by a majority election after election.

White women believe they will never need an abortion or will have access to abortion.

Abortion obstacles and laws will apparently only affect minority women and that’s fine

I know white and black church-y ladies who think they can pray hurricanes and cancer away. Seriously. If the hurricane hits anyway, then their prayers will still have been "answered" if some random kid lives through it or a church is left standing, amidst billions in destruction and tons of death. Their prayers will have been "answered" if the cancer patient suffers horribly and dies anyway, because they're in heaven with all of the other dead people their prayers didn't keep alive.

Those church ladies (of all colors) seem to have a type of simplistic thinking: I will always vote PRO LIFE! and will support a total ban on abortion, then I will pray on the subject! God will then take care of the need for any abortion to happen. (Except for those for the terribly wicked whores who have yet to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, BUT THEY DON'T COUNT!).

Those ladies are group who voted for The Dumpster and who will always vote "R". You won't ever convince them they can't pray away hurricanes, abortion, or the gay.

The other ladies (and THE MEN) are the ones we need to convince to vote BLUE for this issue and so many other issues to save Democracy.

Black women are not the problem, even the churchy ones. Black women vote for Dems at around a 90% rate. Because Black women understand that even if they personally are anti-abortion, giving the government power over women's bodies is dangerous.

Stop playing the media's game pf laying blame where it doesn't belong. The problem is WHITE men and to a lesser extent WHITE women.

We could fix this country tomorrow by taking the vote away from men. Truth.

[quote]We could fix this country tomorrow by taking the vote away from men. Truth.

Um, no.

Who do you think is leading the charge on book burning, home schooling, taking over school boards - it's all the mommy bloggers, mommy groups. And let's not even get into the breastfeeding until the kid is graduating from high school.

As history has demonstrated numerous times, women in power are just as vile and nasty as men in power. It's just that fewer women have been in power to indulge their nastiness.

Imbecile.

R107, numbers don't lie. If only women voted, there would be no Repugs elected across the entire country.

[quote][R107], numbers don't lie. If only women voted, there would be no Repugs elected across the entire country.

Numbers don't, but you do.

You refer to non-existent numbers:

[quote]Biden made gains with men, while Trump improved among women, narrowing the gender gap. The gender gap in the 2020 election was narrower than it had been in 2016, both because of gains that Biden made among men and because of gains Trump made among women. In 2020, men were almost evenly divided between Trump and Biden, unlike in 2016 when Trump won men by 11 points. Trump won a slightly larger share of women’s votes in 2020 than in 2016 (44% vs. 39%), while Biden’s share among women was nearly identical to Clinton’s (55% vs. 54%).

A great many women voted for cheeto. A great many more vote rethug at local, state, and federal levels. You are pushing a gender-based propaganda to further a false narrative.

[quote]r14 You do know women are the root of all evil, right? It's right there in Genesis. Eve defied God and tempted Adam to join her, bringing original sin down on the human species and as punishment God decreed that she had to suffer pain in childbearing.

Truer words were never spoke.

R109, you infinite moron, the numbers you posted prove I am correct.

We need to disenfranchise men for a century to fix the world.

Ladybug is working on a new bill.

I’ve had several transvaginal ultrasounds over the years and I’ve had to go to a radiological center for each one. They are very uncomfortable and they are NOT part of a regular check up. If your doctor uses them as such you should get another doctor!