Jon Benet....who killed her?

What kind of parents trot their child out in sexxy pervy child pageants ???

Burke was psycho maybe.

The dad. We’ve established this.

It was a foreign faction. Open and shut case.

R3 answered. Done and dusted.

Have you always been this nosey, OP. I wouldn't lean out any open windows if I were you...

Burke is hawt

R6- Love you, Mrs Patsy Ramsey, formerly of Boulder, Colorado. 😆

The brother is creepy.

brother and dad and god knows who else messed with her......she was a toy.....so sad.

Jesus, this AGAIN?

Op is the stupid ass Blondie and Joyce Dewitt troll.

It was Miss Scarlett in the kitchen with the monkey wrench.

i aint no blondie nor dewitt troll you turd.

The brother killed her; the parents covered it up.

It was suicide!

What a thought provoking thread. And so unique. I don’t think we’ve EVEE discussed it here before.

did daddy fuk her? mean dang family..

Her mother killed her.

No ONE cares. Little girl would be 50 years old now. They ate her for all I care.

The killer came from the shadowy world of Faye Resnick. Her dad probably knew Faye and John did it with one of Faye's coke dealers. OJ wanted to save the girl but it was too late he was looking for Nicole's killer on the golf course.

Detective Arnedt looked into mr ramsey's eyes and KNEW WHO THE KILLER WAS.

brother burke hit her with golf club and parents lied for him.

Exactly R23. It makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit. Even the police "ineptitude" or cover-up. A kid that age is NOT responsible for his deeds. So there was no crime. And anyway, appears to even be an accident, but if he had planned to kill her, still not a crime. He's not compos mentis. It's like a toddler picking up a pistol and shooting somebody - I mean, even if they aim, they don't know what they're doing. And this kid was a dumb 7 or 9 year old - whatever he was.

First "kidnapping" in history where the victim was left at the scene of the crime.

Watching this thread waiting for someone to blame this on the BRF.

More importantly, what was on her Close’N Play?

You mean.....Meghan Markle, don't you, r26?

At the time, children under 10 in Colrado were not charged with crimes and never went to prison. Burke was nine. John and Patsy didn't know that.

I thought we had concluded that it was a suicide back in 1999.

Burke is very handsome.

Natural causes.

Even if they knew Burke wouldn't be charged, I can see why his parents would want to shield him from the appalling publicity, that would dog him the rest of his life. Even as a suspicion, it still kind of does.

And I think the police would have gone along with them - or even given them that advice. I think they were sort of prominent people - or in an affluent neighborhood or something. The police dept would have bent over backwards - you know, the good ole boy WASP network. They look after each other.

They've already pretty solidly figured it out. It was the weird vagabond guy who rented a room across the street and worked as a handyman for the Ramsay's, on occasion. I think there's a Netflix documentary. It makes the most sense.

Then why did Patsy write a ransom note?

I think the handyman wrote it.

I thought an amount of money was mentioned that the dad had recently received - a weird detail for the handyman to know. I also thought a handwriting expert had said it was her. And wasn't it on a notebook from inside the house?

Though I guess it could be his notebook that he brought and left there, having already written the note. And there was no break-in but I guess he could have stolen an extra key durig his handyman work.

Oh I can't remember all the details - but I'm still on the Burke-did-it train because it makes more sense to me.

most of the books ive read point to momma patsy....

OP, you know what happened to Dorothy Kilgallen, right?

Statistically speaking, you're far more likely to be murdered by a known associate. While stranger break-ins/abductions do happen (think Polly Klaas), it's relatively rare. A family member killed her, the brother seems like a logical choice given what an oddball he is & the parents clumsy attempts to cover it up. Yes, the beauty pageants were weird, but is that any worse than the Dance Mom groups? If it wasn't for their wealth & the beauty pageant thing, we wouldn't even know who Jon Benet was. It would just be another family that gets away with it, but become local pariahs because everyone thinks they're guilty

His lawyer ordered him to lawyer up. Definitely not a family member. It's a complex case which requires logic to solve. Logic that most juries don't possess.

R41 is brain dead.

A very simple case of old age as the cause of death. All one needs to see are the recent deaths of Queen Elizabeth and the Queen of Country Music, Loretta Lynn. Old age is a very common cause of death among queens- female that is.

Who cares. That little cocktease white was asking for it

Are you saying that if she was black she would not have been asking for it?

Burke. Bitch stole his pineapple. He'd hit her before and used to leave feces in her room. Mom and dad covered it up. Just my opinion from different things I have read.

Everyone looks guilty in these cases.

I did it.

Hedda Nussbaum

[quote]OP, you know what happened to Dorothy Kilgallen, right?

Yeah she stood outside of my balcony mouthing off and well the rest is history

BURKE OF COURSE

Who cares?

Nothing screams big chunky frau quite like this thread.

It was that pint sized harlot disease that was going around back then!

yet the parents never did a polygraph or real interview with cops.

BOULDER SO CORRUPT

Polygraphs are useless and are only used as a tool for psychological manipulation by incompetent, desperate investigators, R55. I would never submit to one, nor should anyone.

I read this breakdown someone did on Reddit and it accounted for so much that I’ve kind of accepted as the truth or the closest thing to a resolution we’ll ever have.

It’s a long read but worth it. The conclusion is that the dad did it.

THE HANDYMAN WHO LIVED ACROSS THE STREET AND WORKED IN THE HOUSE MULTIPLE TIMES!

Case closed.

For me was the brother, accidental( although he was a bully to her ) . Parents covered it

Why couldn’t they figure out who write the ransom note?

that reddit thing is full of crap. the mommy and burke each have as many or more experts pointing to one of them doing it. would patsy defend her hubby to such extent?? no, only for her son. top experts agree patsy wrote the note.

R60 It's been so long I can't be sure - but my recollection is they did figure out that the ransom note was written inside the house that night - and a handwriting expert thought it was mom. Sheesh how many years has it been?

But if Burke did do it, he was too young to be guilty of a crime - not to mention he was a neurodivergent 9 year old, not a normal one (again, I think I remember that he was autistic). AGREE with R61.

If Burke did it, it explains why BOTH parents would be on board with protecting him. If one knew or even thought the other one did it, it's hard to imagine they'd stay together, do those interviews, yada yada -- but to protect Burke from the scandal, sure. I mean, I'd do the same. And then quietly get him some help, just in case a psychiatrist could help.

Also, the police would be on board with just letting people think they were incompetent, drag their feet, etc. A child did it - no good could come out about exposing him to all the publicity -- possibly destroying his life. And dad was a big shot or something, a good-ole boy white man of means, so they'd be even more likely to bend the rules because of the tragic (but not criminal) circumstances.

No sign of breakin, no tracks in the snow, weird details in the note that almost no one would know except mom and dad (how stupid was she with that very lengthy note - what kidnapper would take that amount of time and write an extremely stupid note, making it highly likely he'd get caught... it makes no sense whatsoever.)

The kid was troubled (still wetting bed or putting poop in sister's room? some sick shit - uh, so to speak). The bowl of pineapples they ate. The rough play they'd done before - golf club or something? Freaking out and strangling her with rope?? Oh it's been so long. A kidnapper who wanted to rape her or whatever, would bind her MOUTH and carry her out as fast as he could. Maybe mail a ransom note or have one typed on a stranger's typewriter... I mean, the way it was done points to a very amateurish cover up by a panicked mother protecting her son - and dad going along (likely in shock himself)

police did zero. were buddys with john, mr $$$$

It was DELTA Burke, not Burke Ramsey!!!. She was jealous of a younger, more beautiful girl who would one day be Miss Georgia Tent and Awning.

Just wait until "JON BENET The Musical". DL will love it so much that people will be asking "Follies? What's that?"

Dont think patsy would defend her hubby if he done it. i lean toward burke also.

Burke won a massive defamation lawsuit against cbs for them claiming that he was the most plausible suspect.

not massive at all.

John Ramsey killed his daughter.

What happened to Madeline McCann? Parents, their friends, intruder?

R71- Either way, I hold the parents responsible. At the very least they left a young toddler alone and unsupervised while they went out to party. They should have been charged with child endangerment .

Some guy from Germany kidnapped and killed Madeline. Prosecutors in southern Portugal are formally accusing a suspect in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a British girl who disappeared nearly 15 years ago while on a family vacation in the southern European country.

A statement on Thursday by the Public Ministry district of Faro, the largest city in Portugal’s Algarve region, did not name the suspect but said they were acting on a request by German authorities and in coordination with English investigators.

In mid-2020, Germany’s police identified Christian Brueckner, a German citizen, as a suspect in the case.

Thanfully, Burke has the tism so is incapable of feeling any guilt for accidentally clubbing his sister to death

I don't know with the Ramseys, I lean towards Burke but it could have been any of the three in that family.

With Maddie McCann, the parents OD'd her on some kind of sleeping medication so she wouldn't wake up while they went out and partied. The wife will crack eventually and tell all.

I AM the patsy!

It was a 15 year old Meghan Markle, jealous that JonBenet was a princess and she wasn't.

Kevin Spacey

I did.

There are theories that she was sacrificed and the Ramseys were part of a cabal of elites involved with child sacrifices but she wasn't meant to die, just be abused.

It was an accident, though not innocent.

I don't know what kind of fucking moron has those "theories" r80 but they should go kill themselves, sooner rather than later.

John Ramsey is pushing for new tech analysis of the DNA found on JB's clothes.

This bitch is going to solve this case. I don't believe the family was involved.

Me and my Brother have debated this over the years. My Brother was a juvenile detective in the town we lived in just south of Chicago during the 1990's He always insists that it was Patsy. The handwriting on the note, and Johns actions, tell him that it was her. He says John covered for her. He saw a lot while he was a JD, and still says it was Patsy. I never quite believed that and still dont. I guess we'll never know.

R84 I've read many, many books on the case. I agree with your brother. Patsy was very unwell due to her cancer (a type which most don't survive and which wrecks havoc on women's hormones) and aggressive treatment. She was also under high stress due to the holidays--hosting multiple Christmas events, scheduled to travel by plane with her kids early in the morning after having Christmas and Christmas parties the day before, taking care of all those arrangements with no help from John. Also, about to turn the big 40, which is huge for a former beauty queen. With all this and JonBennet wetting the bed and being medicated, Patsy snapped. It's sad. She loved her daughter and no one else was hurt more by her actions. She lived in denial as did the entire family, who couldn't face the tragic situation.

It was... some Puerto Rican guy.

Ted Cruz.

If the genetic scientist at the link above is brought into the case she'll solve it via the unidentified male DNA on JonBenet's underwear.

John Ramsey has petitioned the Gov of Colorado to allow her to test the samples.

A big problem is investigators on the Boulder PD were incompetent and those same guys are still on the force. Their egos are in the way.

Lou Smith's daughter (the investigator that resigned because he could not endure Boulder PD's stupidity) has secretly collected DNA samples of something like 28 suspdects.

Release the DNA for testing and this case will be solved.

ALL 3 KNEW WHO DID AND AND COVERED UP FOR THE GUILTY FAMILY MEMBER. i think patsy wrote the note but burke prob did it accidentally, he was underage to so wtf???

PATSY GOT DAM TIRED OF CLEANIN UP JON BENET'S PISSY BED, AND THREW HER AGAINST THE WALL, KILLING HER ACCIDENTALLY.....BITCH!

We have done this thread a hundred times.

I know, I just posted it in July - albeit with an actual discussion point to accompany the post.

OP? Do a search....you FAT WHORE!

Reading in between the lines, I think that the police think it was Burke.

If Burke did do it, why wouldn't his parents want to keep him close by? Instead they sent him off to the neighbors.

Yes, the Ramseys showed over and over again that they only made rational and sane decisions

There's no such thing as a perfect crime. By that point, the Ramseys were exhausted and realized that they were now way in over their heads. Their default was not to pay much attention to Burke anyway. Plus, they couldn't object much if their neighbors offered to take Burke off their hands for a while.

R90- PATSY GOT DAM TIRED OF CLEANIN UP JON BENET'S PISSY BED, AND THREW HER AGAINST THE WALL, KILLING HER ACCIDENTALLY.....BITCH!

Patsy was too fucked up on prescription medication and weak from heavy chemo to go into a physical rage. She was physically and mentally wiped out. JB was her life, she lived through that little girl, as dysfunctional as that was. Her mini-me. She would have never harmed that child. John Ramsey started sexually molesting his daughter when Pasty was out of state receiving chemo/cancer treatments. He is a ' situational ' predator. He continued to molest her when Patsy came home. That night he went too far and hurt her, she was screaming and crying. The neighbors heard a scream that night. He killed her to quieten her and prevent her from telling Patsy what was happening. He also hurt her that night and knew her injury's would probably be discovered. He wrote that note to scare PR into not calling the police. He was trying to buy time to get JB's body out of the house. Had Patsy not immediately called the police he would have dumped her body in some woods or water and blamed the non-existent kidnapper. He had an empty suitcase by a window in the basement, ready to go. He would have walked out of that house with her little body in the suitcase under the guise of leaving to pay the ransom money. But Patsy did call the police immediately, against Johns orders, and ruined his plan. Now why would Patsy have called the police immediately if she had been involved in the murder or even the cover up of the murder? ( I think she was scared of JR that night. His neighbors and friends all said he wasn't acting right.) In nine out of ten cases like this one, it is the oldest male in the family who is the perpetrator. FBI statistics. What father tries to book a flight out of the state within THIRTY MINUTES of finding his murdered daughters body? The police had to tell him that he could not leave. Within one hour of ' discovering ' her body this man had already hired THREE attorneys, one each for him and Pasty and one for his ex-wife. His ex-wife. Let that sink in. His daughter from his marriage to this ex-wife hated his guts and refused to have anything to do with him. Why? It is completely baffling to me that people are still accusing PR and most ridiculous of all a nine year old child of this violent sexual assault and murder. A man did this. A grown man. He was allowed to buy his way out of justice.

R96- That should read ' opportunistic' predator, not situational.

plus i remember reading that john knew how to make those garrot things in the military that was made to strangle her with.

Yes r98, I think the theory is that as a Naval Officer, John had received knot-making training during training (is there any other use for a garrote besides murder? If so, he didn’t learn to tie that specific way in the Navy.

I've always though Patsy did it. The very reasons people use to claim that she could not have done it--how tired she was, how unwell she was in recovering from cancer, how much she loved Jon Benet--are the EXACT reasons many mothers kill. Mothers who kill their young children usually do so due to being overwhelmed, tired, and under supported in the home. Patsy was recovering from cancer, unwell, over stressed due to the holidays, and Jon Benet was misbehaving and also a chronic bed wetter (one of the top 2 reasons parents snap and kill young children). It all fits. Patsy was also very upset that Jon Benet refused to wear matching outfits with her to that evening's Christmas party. They argued bitterly over this, as Jon Benet didn't want to wear a matching sweater with her mother. Jon Benet was starting to defy Patsy and not act like her perfect doll and Patsy was exhausted and suffering from lack of sleep.

I still think Patsy snapped due to the reasons listed above. It wasn't a planned murder. She accidentally snapped and went too far. However, the garrote is a problem for me because it's not something that I would imagine a typical suburban housewife knowing. Unless she were into very kinky sex, and I think they were since Patsy was always making bizarre inappropriate sex talk, according to her maid and even her family. I suspect Patsy and John were into kinky sex play, as in breath play. John could have taught her how to use a garrote for sex purposes--either on her or on him. That's how she knew.

Patsy used this to stage a crime of another type. It wasn't a sex crime, but she needed to make it appear that way to avoid suspicion. She couldn't handle her husband, her family, or the world knowing the terrible thing she had accidentally done.

Weird. Patsy is the one I think is least likely to have done it because I just can't see the motivation when JB was her pageant queen. Statistically as a woman she's the least likely one to have done it too.

No mother , if she accidentally killed her child in a rage, would sexually assault her daughter with a paintbrush then use a garrote on her. Someone used enough force on her skull to kill a 300 pound man. Her skull was violently fractured . That took a massive amount of strength that I do not think Patsy was physically capable of. Nor a slight , nine year old child.

Yeah. Not Patsy. Patsy was your basic straight housefrau.

Statistically, research shows that whenever a young child dies in their own home, the murderer is almost always one of the parents. Mothers often kill or harm their children and use elaborate staging for public sympathy and attention. Think Munchausen by proxy, for example. Now, imagine the bathroom as the site of the fatal head injury--If the angle is just right, Patsy could have easily have accomplished the head injury by picking Jon Benet up and dropping her or slamming her down, perhaps in the bathtub, planning to clean Jon Bennet up after the child wet the bed. But a struggle happens. Think of Jon Benet's head accidentally hitting a metal tub faucet for instance. What if Jon Benet was struggling and Patsy was angry but also trying to clean her up after she wet the bed. They were struggling while over the tub. Patsy might even have lost hold of her and Jon Benet's head crashed down on the faucet as she fell from Patsy's arms, head first into the metal fixture. Patsy thinks her child is dead and doesn't want to admit guilt and panics, and then stages the crime to avoid blame. Keep in mind Patsy isn't an average housefrau but a beauty queen with a vivid imagination, a huge need for public validation, and a history of acting on stage. Acting was what she did for the her "talent" portion of pagents. Much like Munchausen by proxy--where the mother harms a child to get attention and sympathy for the mother who is the abuser of the child.

R106- It was John Ramsey. John Ramsey who threw everyone he ever knew under the bus , trying cast suspicion on them. John who panicked and attempted to flee the state. John who bullied, sued, bought threatened his way out of being investigated. John who bought and paid for handwriting experts to give the results he paid them to give. John who had the very well known explosive temper. John who remarried a women associated with pageants,John whose late daughter from his first marriage would have nothing to do with him, hated him. John who hired a criminal defense attorney for his ex-wife within one hour of carrying his daughters body upstairs. John who had the means , motive , and opportunity. John. Everything comes back to John- always.

He def has scumbag eyes.

Someone outside the family.

the best book is by the detective on the case, cute fella too....steve thomas....the DA was so in the pocket of mr rich john ramsey,

Did Burke poop on the floor of Betty's dressing room?

For years, I thought Patsy did it. Now, I think it has to be John. The stupid ransom note had one goal: to delay Patsy from calling the cops.

What drives me nuts about this case is that even basic facts are disputed. Some sources say JonBenet had been sexually abused long term. Other sources just say it could not be ruled out.

the police in that city fuked it up bigtime. had history of that....

I did it.

The real question is why the Boulder police refuse to allow the DNA from the crime scene to be tested. They could identify who it came from in a week. Cold cases are getting solved left and right now. Jon Benet's dad. recently publicly pleaded for the police to do this and still they refuse. Why?