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“Tár”: Cate Blanchett’s third Oscar?

Seems like it

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by Anonymousreply 426December 4, 2022 11:41 PM
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by Anonymousreply 1September 1, 2022 4:44 PM

Cate does seem to enjoy playing the lezzers.

by Anonymousreply 2September 1, 2022 4:46 PM

Guess Michelle Williams will be going as Supporting for Fablemens

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by Anonymousreply 3September 1, 2022 4:51 PM

This looks good. I'm glad to see a movie taking on the subject of "cancel culture" or whatever you want to call our current cultural climate in a nuanced way. Blanchett seems well suited to this role.

by Anonymousreply 4September 1, 2022 4:51 PM

The reviews are that good I’m thinking it could get Best Picture.

by Anonymousreply 5September 1, 2022 4:55 PM

Ham Blanchett.

by Anonymousreply 6September 1, 2022 4:57 PM

Lol at them playing it safe by making this about a female character. Pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 7September 1, 2022 4:59 PM

I loved Todd field’s other two films Little Children and In the Bedroom so I look forward to this one.

by Anonymousreply 8September 1, 2022 5:01 PM

She's so tiired. Retire her please. For her own sake. Hag

by Anonymousreply 9September 1, 2022 5:02 PM

Damn, I was not expecting such strong reviews. It's an artsy cerebral film though, I can see it bombing at the box office and then missing out on the BP Oscar because of that.

by Anonymousreply 10September 1, 2022 5:02 PM


The last film to win best picture grossed 1.6 million at the NA box office

by Anonymousreply 11September 1, 2022 5:04 PM

R7 I think it's an interesting choice, not a cop out. Among other reasons, it's more likely to provoke empathy from some of those that would instinctively distrust the premise if it was a man. It also allows for an exploration of power dynamics not influenced by gender, but other factors

by Anonymousreply 12September 1, 2022 5:05 PM

I hope she roasts Julia roberts in her acceptance speech again.

by Anonymousreply 13September 1, 2022 5:05 PM

Isn't this in the same ballpark as Miss Cooper's Bernstein biopic? I get my talents-misbehaving plots mixed up.

by Anonymousreply 14September 1, 2022 5:06 PM

[quote] It also allows for an exploration of power dynamics not influenced by gender, but other factors

They could easily have done that with a gay male character.

by Anonymousreply 15September 1, 2022 5:07 PM

Suck it, Julia!

by Anonymousreply 16September 1, 2022 5:17 PM

R15 Yes, I considered that as well. It could be interesting, but it would be a bit more fraught, given the history of gay men being portrayed as sexually predatory to a somewhat larger degree than lesbians. That doesn't mean this sort of story couldn't or shouldn't be told about gay men, but the reception and context would be different. Would you as a (presumably) gay man prefer it with gay men?

by Anonymousreply 17September 1, 2022 5:30 PM

The story of a ball-breaking, once-in-a-generation cultural icon who is cancelled?

I’m up for this!

by Anonymousreply 18September 2, 2022 6:05 AM

The movie looks amazing. I was surprised to learn that Todd Field was the piano player in Eyes Wide Shut (he also helped invent Big League Chew bubblegum that was purchased by Wrigley's for $800 million, I wonder if he got a cut). I only recently learned that Cate was in EWS indirectly; she did the voice, with an American accent, of one of the nude masked female models at the ball that Tom Cruise crashes. I think that Todd Field was a Kubrick protégée and I noticed some Kubrickian references in the TÁR preview ads.

by Anonymousreply 19September 2, 2022 6:35 PM

She looks like Tilda in that photo. Interesting. Movie sounds great. I will watch. Love me some Cate.

by Anonymousreply 20September 2, 2022 6:50 PM

I love Cate Blanchett, but coming from the classical music industry, this movie sounds absolutely insufferable. I guarantee Fields will get 99% of how classical music functions completely wrong. The fact that they’re using Bernstein as a name check, as well as focussing largely on her conducting of Mahler’s Fifth as some sort of career pinnacle is already more than cliche and eye rolling. And couching that in a metoo metaphor? And I’m sure we’re going to hear for months about how she “learned” conducting technique, piano, and German all in a few months and she’s an expert now. I’m sure there will be lots of quick cuts of hair flinging and choppy editing to make it look like she did learn to do those things but really they couldn’t use more than a few seconds of a take at a time because she had no clue what she was doing. So insulting to actual musicians in orchestras who spend decades studying their craft and then a lifetime honing it professionally. UGH.

That being said, it sounds like all of that is really just window dressing for Blanchett to meltdown on screen, so I’ll hate watch it for that.

by Anonymousreply 21September 2, 2022 7:11 PM

[quote] I love Cate Blanchett, but coming from the classical music industry, this movie sounds absolutely insufferable.

So do you.

by Anonymousreply 22September 2, 2022 7:15 PM

Lol r21 I think you’re right. The conducting scenes will be a hot mess. I enjoy Blanchett greatly but so much of her “important” work is just camp. Notes on a Scandal, Carol, that Allen movie from a few years back. This movie seems likely to evoke as many laughs as gasps.

by Anonymousreply 23September 2, 2022 7:16 PM

Hope Julia gets nominated and wins the award this year. In no other world Cate having one more Oscar than Julia is justified let alone two.

by Anonymousreply 24September 2, 2022 7:49 PM

[quote] I was surprised to learn that Todd Field was the piano player in Eyes Wide Shut (he also helped invent Big League Chew bubblegum that was purchased by Wrigley's for $800 million, I wonder if he got a cut).

Todd Field must be an actual genius. I loved In the Bedroom and miss that nearly-extinct type of film.

by Anonymousreply 25September 2, 2022 7:50 PM

This looks wonderful. As for classical music realism, I've had movies made about my line of work that weren't accurate. You just go with it.

I'm predicting Cate for Best Actress, and (unfortunately) Tom Cruise and Top Gun: Maverick for Best Actor and Best Picture. It made a ton of money, got people back to the theater, was a mainstream film with good reviews, has the nostalgia factor, and I'm willing to bet Academy voters will recognize it for those factors after Parasite, Nomadland, and CODA.

by Anonymousreply 26September 2, 2022 8:54 PM

Hmmm I know Vera Farmiga was up for this, and she was really excited to do the part.

by Anonymousreply 27September 4, 2022 3:24 AM

Has a prominent lesbian even been Me-Too'd yet? I guess only in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 28September 4, 2022 3:29 AM

I do like Cate Blanchett.

Apparently, there have only been seven three-time Oscar winners - Walter Brennan, Nicholson, Day-Lewis for men and Hepburn, Bergman, M, and Frances McDormand for women.

by Anonymousreply 29September 4, 2022 3:43 AM

R21? Am I mistaken in thinking that a female conductor with long hair would almost certainly wear it in a bun or chignon? TIA

by Anonymousreply 30September 4, 2022 11:02 AM

Cate Blanchett holds the distinction of being an actor whose work I love…even though I can’t stand them as a person. I look forward to seeing the film, but I will be actively avoiding any and all press she does to support it…and I look forward to scrutinizing her acceptance speeches.

by Anonymousreply 31September 4, 2022 11:05 AM

She’s had sufficient Oscars.

by Anonymousreply 32September 4, 2022 11:07 AM

[quote]and I look forward to scrutinizing her acceptance speeches.


by Anonymousreply 33September 4, 2022 11:23 AM

[quote] I'm predicting Cate for Best Actress, and (unfortunately) Tom Cruise and Top Gun: Maverick for Best Actor and Best Picture.

R26 = idiot

by Anonymousreply 34September 4, 2022 12:57 PM

[quote]Todd Field was the piano player in Eyes Wide Shut (he also helped invent Big League Chew bubblegum that was purchased by Wrigley's for $800 million

Wow. So Wrigley Field was named after him?

by Anonymousreply 35September 4, 2022 1:12 PM

Tom Cruise winning an Oscar for Top Gun? Hahahhahahah omg. The only shot Cruise has at an Oscar is a lifetime achievement twenty years from now when he’s in a wheelchair.

by Anonymousreply 36September 4, 2022 1:18 PM

[quote]Am I mistaken in thinking that a female conductor with long hair would almost certainly wear it in a bun or chignon?

I couldn't speak for all of them, but Australia's Simone Young, who has been resident conductor of the Berlin Philharmonic and has conducted a wide range of top orchestras, frequently wears hers down, and quite long.

As for the classical music snob, for all we know Blanchett might have been a fan of orchestral music all her life and watched dozens of conductors. They're not always in a pit any more, and even if they are you can sit in a box and look down at them.

by Anonymousreply 37September 4, 2022 1:20 PM

R30 Well, no one ever asked Dudamel to put his hair in a scrunchy....

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by Anonymousreply 38September 4, 2022 1:22 PM

I’ve worked with several female conductors over the years R30, and all but two had longer hair that they would leave down. Maybe it would be pulled back in rehearsal but not for performance. Some conductors (male and female) love to use their hair as a sweaty form of drama.

There’s also backstage chitchat that this movie has some loosely based elements on Marin Alsop, lesbian former conductor of Baltimore Symphony who has had some of these, let’s call them “issues” over the years.

by Anonymousreply 39September 4, 2022 1:24 PM

Thanks, R39.

by Anonymousreply 40September 4, 2022 1:38 PM

Here's Sarah Hicks conducting with her hair down.

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by Anonymousreply 41September 4, 2022 2:11 PM

Barbara Hannigan and Mirga Graznyte-Tyla are two of the hottest new female conductors who have Cate's hairdo.

by Anonymousreply 42September 4, 2022 2:37 PM

Meryl should have been offered this role

by Anonymousreply 43September 4, 2022 2:43 PM

[quote]Cate Blanchett holds the distinction of being an actor whose work I love…even though I can’t stand them as a person

How come? I’m genuinely curious. I dont know much about her.

by Anonymousreply 44September 4, 2022 3:20 PM

R42 Is Mirga Graznyte-Tyla's partner a male or a female?

by Anonymousreply 45September 4, 2022 3:26 PM

R43 Ugh, no.

by Anonymousreply 46September 4, 2022 3:27 PM

I've never liked Cate Blanchett, she seems horribly smug , cold, and superior.

by Anonymousreply 47September 4, 2022 3:45 PM

Karmina Silec conducting with her hair loose

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by Anonymousreply 48September 4, 2022 3:49 PM

What does Tar do that gets her cancelled? Shove her baton up someone's ass on air?

by Anonymousreply 49September 4, 2022 3:54 PM

I know I'm supposed to like this but the trailer really turned me off. Looks VERY artsy-fartsy.

by Anonymousreply 50September 4, 2022 10:50 PM

Please spoil the plot, why does she get cancelled?

by Anonymousreply 51September 4, 2022 10:57 PM

I like Cate Blanchett as an actress, and I LOVE Todd Field's work (particularly "Little Children", which is one of my favorite films), so I'll be seeing this.

If Blanchett hadn't already worked with my other favorite Todd in "Carol" (among others), I'd wish for that. I do hope the conducting doesn't come off as obnoxious, try-hard, or unintentionally funny. Time will tell!

by Anonymousreply 52September 4, 2022 11:12 PM

Isn’t this a 168- minute art film? She will be lucky to even be nominated.

by Anonymousreply 53September 4, 2022 11:18 PM

R49 From what I can piece together, she seems to have been cancelled because she took advantage of some students and one killed herself. It appears that there was some out of context video of her being abusive to a student or students that became viral and things started to fall apart. Apparently it has a shocking unexpected ending, 'm trying to find out what happens (I don't care about spoilers). In any case, after seeing Cate play Dr. Lilith Ritter in the not so great movie Nightmare Alley, I've become a huge fan (I was already a fan from Blue Jasmine and some of her other movies) and I can't wait to see TÁR.

by Anonymousreply 54September 4, 2022 11:35 PM

Again? Was she an abusive teacher in a past life?

by Anonymousreply 55September 5, 2022 12:23 AM

Cate has been on autopilot since Blue Jasmine and truly capable of both extreme greatness and extreme awfulness. I wonder if this will be good.

by Anonymousreply 56September 5, 2022 12:25 AM

[quote] I noticed some Kubrickian references in the TÁR preview ads.

What did they look like, R19?

by Anonymousreply 57September 5, 2022 12:27 AM

[quote] Love me some Cate.

Does that mean that you love yourself, R20?

Cate is purely incidental in your self love.

by Anonymousreply 58September 5, 2022 12:35 AM

I saw it today in Telluride and it lives up to the hype….but the screenplay and cinematography are doing heavy lifting as well…the film is long but it pays off…..

by Anonymousreply 59September 5, 2022 12:36 AM

Dear senior lesbian R30, Cate Blankett modelled her character on her fellow self-absorbed Aussie termagant—

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by Anonymousreply 60September 5, 2022 12:55 AM

R54, from what I’ve read, the conductor established an organization to help women who were studying to be conductors themselves. It becomes a vehicle for her to select women for sexual relationships.

by Anonymousreply 61September 5, 2022 12:59 AM

Violet Davis is the frontrunner for The Woman King.

by Anonymousreply 62September 5, 2022 1:01 AM

I’ve been to paradise, but I’ve never been to me.

by Anonymousreply 63September 5, 2022 1:08 AM

Cate isn't winning shit.

Viola's movie is going to generate a lot of controversy. This seems like it could be a movie that you're either going to love or hate with a passion depending on the historical depiction.

The following younger actresses have strong chances of getting nominated and winning:

Michelle Yeoh - Everything, everywhere all at once

Danielle Deadwyler - Till

Ana De Armas - Blonde

Naomi Ackie - I want to dance with somebody

Keke Palmer - Nope

Cate's going to have to duke it out with Emma Thompson, Margot Robbie, Regina King and Frances McDormand for the established/veteran actress slots. And since she already has two, and they haven't been enthused to nominate her since, it's going to be a hard sell.

by Anonymousreply 64September 5, 2022 1:15 AM

[quote]The fact that they’re using Bernstein as a name check, as well as focussing largely on her conducting of Mahler’s Fifth as some sort of career pinnacle is already more than cliche and eye rolling.

I don't care about the rest of it, but I'm glad there's a focus on Mahler. Wish it had been the 2nd or the 6th instead of the 5th, though.

by Anonymousreply 65September 5, 2022 1:17 AM

I don’t think the Academy’s that into Cate anymore. She was last nominated 7 years ago. Viola’s movie will also bomb.

by Anonymousreply 66September 5, 2022 1:35 AM

[quote] Danielle Deadwyler

Not just a name, a real human being.

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by Anonymousreply 67September 5, 2022 1:38 AM

So she’s playing James Franco?

by Anonymousreply 68September 5, 2022 1:38 AM

I thought Cate was the highlight of Don’t Look Up last year. She was hysterical in it.

by Anonymousreply 69September 5, 2022 1:41 AM

R65, I understand that part of the plot is Cate trying to program a second piece along with the Mahler, one that will feature a cello player she has her eye one. You couldn’t do that with Mahler’s Second, it’s too long!

by Anonymousreply 70September 5, 2022 1:44 AM

R57 The Kubrickian references that I noticed were; a scene in a mansion with an man beating a stick on the floor (Eyes Wide Shut), a scene where Lydia is looking at her computer screen that was shot similar to the scene in The Shining where Wendy discovers Jack's writing on the typewriter. Some frame within a frame shots and just the overall austere visuals that are in most of Kubrick's films. I would have to see the entire movie to see more, I'm sure they are there.

by Anonymousreply 71September 5, 2022 2:01 AM

Margot Robbie will be the frontrunner with Babylon. She's the hot actress right now with Barbie and Babylon. It feels like Hollywood has already decided that this is her year.

I don't see them rewarding Viola or Cate again, since both of them are past their box-office peaks, and Hollywood likes to push young stars who can make them money.

by Anonymousreply 72September 5, 2022 2:39 AM

What about one of the Women Talking actresses? That cast is stacked with talent.

by Anonymousreply 73September 5, 2022 2:48 AM

[quote]I thought Cate was the highlight of Don’t Look Up last year. She was hysterical in it.

As was, to my astonishment, Tyler Perry.

by Anonymousreply 74September 5, 2022 2:55 AM

[quote]I've never liked Cate Blanchett, she seems horribly smug , cold, and superior.

She's too sane and logical for diva worship. Star worship requires a sense the person is slightly mad, unstable, and OTT.

When reporters tried to create sensation when she was promoting the movie Carol, the way she coolly slapped it down, by saying she wasn't remotely interested in making agitprop, was impressive. But it doesn't make for fan love. Only respect.

by Anonymousreply 75September 5, 2022 7:38 AM

Aussies grew tired of her when she became a champagne socialist jetting around the world with Leo DiCaprio and the gang.

She sold her multi million dollar base in Sydney and brought up another multi million dollar base in London next door to Georgey Clooney.

by Anonymousreply 76September 5, 2022 7:50 AM

R76 They didn't call me Carbon Cate for nothing.

Do as I say, not what I do.

by Anonymousreply 77September 5, 2022 8:23 AM

What do you think will be the pushback for a straight woman playing a lesbian who is depicted unfavorably in a movie written and directed by a straight man?

by Anonymousreply 78September 5, 2022 12:12 PM

R74 Oddly, I’d love to see Cate Blanchett and Tyler Perry act alongside one another again - the two of them had great chemistry and were the MVPs of Don’t Look Up.

by Anonymousreply 79September 5, 2022 12:57 PM

[quote]I don't see them rewarding Viola or Cate again, since both of them are past their box-office peaks, and Hollywood likes to push young stars who can make them money.

Thank you, doll.

- 45-year old Jessica Chastain, 65-year old Frances McDormand and 53-year-old Renee Zellweger.

by Anonymousreply 80September 5, 2022 1:05 PM

Ah r60, you forgot me, 60 year old Michelle Yeoh.

by Anonymousreply 81September 5, 2022 3:20 PM

That Yeoh picture was trash and if she gets nominated—big if—she’ll never win for it.

by Anonymousreply 82September 5, 2022 3:22 PM

R82 Why was it trash? It is highly acclaimed by both critics and fans.

by Anonymousreply 83September 5, 2022 4:09 PM

Cate has the respect but she will never have the love.

And who is the audience for a 3 hour film about a predator lesbian orchestra conductor?

by Anonymousreply 84September 5, 2022 4:43 PM

R84 Me

by Anonymousreply 85September 5, 2022 4:49 PM

[quote]She's too sane and logical for diva worship. Star worship requires a sense the person is slightly mad, unstable, and OTT.

Oh please. She shows up every time she's nominated for something. And every time she wins she of course pretends to be above it all in a patronizing, condescending speech. That act wears thin after a while.

She will never be Judy Davis no matter how hard she tries on all fronts.

by Anonymousreply 86September 5, 2022 5:36 PM

All your love for my movie just exacerbates this great moment

by Anonymousreply 87September 5, 2022 5:43 PM

[quote]She will never be Judy Davis no matter how hard she tries

No, she's more talented and actually beautiful.

Davis was merely a brown-lipsticked, bad-haired, and note-less Patti LuPone in irritation mode.

by Anonymousreply 88September 5, 2022 7:00 PM

[quote] Davis

I guess poor, short Davis is sixty now. She's now ready to play those 'hag' roles just like old Bette did in 'Baby Jane'.

by Anonymousreply 89September 5, 2022 10:42 PM

I just hope her beat patterns are aligned to the fucking music. Hollywood still fucks up beat patterns to this day. Bonus points if she actually cues in different sections correctly. Solo horn should be spitting flames during the scherzo mvmt too.

by Anonymousreply 90September 5, 2022 11:10 PM

Cate is pushing 60. This movie is not going to win her an Oscar. The subject matter is too dark.

by Anonymousreply 91September 5, 2022 11:13 PM

R91 she's 53, hardly pushing 60. And it's serious, dark drama The Academy usually creams over

by Anonymousreply 92September 5, 2022 11:20 PM

When has the Academy ever rewarded a 3 hour art film?

by Anonymousreply 93September 5, 2022 11:22 PM

It's a long road for Cate to get that third Oscar...I think what was said above is true - lots of respect but no love.

Manifesto was so pretentious and I'm sure Tar will be too...

There's so much of Cate in the media these days, can we just change the channel?

by Anonymousreply 94September 5, 2022 11:25 PM

I’m thinking Michelle Yeoh & Brendan Fraiser for the win. Who knows? It’s september.

by Anonymousreply 95September 5, 2022 11:32 PM

I can’t live in a world where cate has three leading actress Oscar’s and Tilda has only one in supporting role.

by Anonymousreply 96September 5, 2022 11:52 PM

Cate won for Supporting in Aviator.

by Anonymousreply 97September 5, 2022 11:57 PM

Oh then I’ll live then. Phew.

by Anonymousreply 98September 6, 2022 12:18 AM

Jamie Lee Curtis will probably win supporting actress this year for Everything, Everywhere all at once.

It's a career defining performance plus she's long overdue for an oscar. Plus the last Halloween movie is coming out and that will keep her in the public eye as well.

by Anonymousreply 99September 6, 2022 12:56 AM

R91 53 is pushing 60? Are you stupid?

by Anonymousreply 100September 6, 2022 1:58 AM

Is she's nominated she'll tie with Glenn and Geraldine Page at 8 nominations, behind Davis, Hepburn and Streep

by Anonymousreply 101September 6, 2022 8:39 PM

What dos “Tár” mean?

by Anonymousreply 102September 7, 2022 12:52 AM

It's 8 pm Eastern time!

Overture, curtain, lights!

Put on the wigs full of shites!

by Anonymousreply 103September 7, 2022 1:01 AM

R102, it’s Cate’s character’s last name.

by Anonymousreply 104September 7, 2022 2:54 AM

Thank you, R104. I was guessing she might be one of these—

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by Anonymousreply 105September 7, 2022 2:57 AM

Tár is an anagram for art.

by Anonymousreply 106September 7, 2022 3:21 AM

Well, as long as it's not diminutive for 'tart'.

by Anonymousreply 107September 7, 2022 3:44 AM

"When has the Academy ever rewarded a 3 hour art film?"

The Last Emperor, for one.

by Anonymousreply 108September 7, 2022 4:36 AM

^ That one had spectacle.

The latest Cate Blanket is just talking heads

by Anonymousreply 109September 7, 2022 4:38 AM

Blanchett is many things but she is not and has never been beautiful. Striking, maybe, but never beautiful or pretty.

by Anonymousreply 110September 7, 2022 4:55 AM

[quote] Striking, maybe, but never beautiful or pretty.

Yes, rather like Mrs David Lean

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by Anonymousreply 111September 7, 2022 5:12 AM

I've never been able to look at her the same after that utterly pointless scene in Notes On A Scandal where she's sitting on a toilet wiping her arse. Foul.

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by Anonymousreply 113September 7, 2022 2:30 PM

Waaaaa waaaaaa waaaaa waaaaa.

by Anonymousreply 114September 7, 2022 2:39 PM

[quote] When has the Academy ever rewarded a 3 hour art film?

DDL in There Will Be Blood.

by Anonymousreply 115September 7, 2022 3:00 PM

Sorry TWBB was actually just 2.5 hours.

by Anonymousreply 116September 7, 2022 3:01 PM

By today's low standards, things like The Godfather and All About Eve are "art films."

by Anonymousreply 117September 7, 2022 3:11 PM

The Last Emperor was a fairly standard epic.

by Anonymousreply 118September 7, 2022 3:18 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but Cate has never gone nude on screen? Even La Streep whipped a tit out in Silkwood!

by Anonymousreply 119September 7, 2022 6:44 PM

Wasn't she nude in Carol?

by Anonymousreply 120September 7, 2022 7:39 PM

R120 Just a bit of tit and some of it could have been a body double.

by Anonymousreply 121September 8, 2022 5:06 AM

If Cate showed some pink at 55 it'd get her another Oscar, I betcha.

by Anonymousreply 122September 8, 2022 5:27 AM

I know someone who worked on the film in Berlin and she said Todd Field was batshit crazy. She’s divided as to whether she wants the film to be a success or not because Field was such a wack job.

by Anonymousreply 123September 11, 2022 4:07 AM

She just won best actress at Venice.

by Anonymousreply 124September 11, 2022 4:33 AM

R123, What did your friend say about seeing Cate work on this film. Maybe there's a reason why Todd Field hasn't made a film in 16 years...

by Anonymousreply 125September 11, 2022 5:02 AM

Pure wank.

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by Anonymousreply 126September 11, 2022 7:56 AM

I was surprised "Blonde", the Marilyn "biopic" got raves. Maybe that actress will compete with Cate at The Oscars

by Anonymousreply 127September 11, 2022 9:04 AM

Jesus, R126 -- that looks awful!

by Anonymousreply 128September 11, 2022 9:18 AM

R125, she said that Cate was wonderful, if understandably intense a lot of the time. Field is just sane enough to know he needs to treat the main principal actors well, it’s the crew aka his “underlings” that he treats like shit.

by Anonymousreply 129September 11, 2022 6:03 PM

Nutso lez film

by Anonymousreply 130September 11, 2022 6:12 PM

How many turns is Cate Blanchett gonna take participating in a male director's microscopic, two-hour, minute-by-minute dismantling and abasement of a woman undone by her own flaws of character?

by Anonymousreply 131September 12, 2022 6:57 AM

Yes, because male actors never star in films made by male directors showing the dismantling and abasement of a man undone by his own flaws of character.

Honestly: the comments of the Woke get more idiotic every day.

by Anonymousreply 132September 12, 2022 8:50 AM

R131, you’re a parody of some angry dyke on Twitter.

Get a JOB.

by Anonymousreply 133September 12, 2022 12:27 PM

This would have been a great part for an older actress like Glenn, Meryl, Siggy or Mirren, where this grand concert is meant to be their last hurrah before they retire, thereby raising the stakes a little

by Anonymousreply 134September 12, 2022 6:19 PM

Glenn did play an opera singer in the film Finding Venus back in the 1980s. I rewatched it last year and the bits I winced at back then still warranted wincing. The male lead was disastrously miscast as a sexually alluring symphony conductor.

by Anonymousreply 135September 12, 2022 6:44 PM

Oops, sorry, it was called Meeting Venus and it came out in 1991.

The conductor in that film was Hungarian (although played by a Dane). Tár is a Hungarian name, no?

by Anonymousreply 136September 12, 2022 6:47 PM

I guess if Glenn put that tux on as Tar she'd look like Albert Nobbs

by Anonymousreply 137September 12, 2022 7:12 PM

They did a remake of Ishtar?

by Anonymousreply 138September 13, 2022 5:16 AM

How many lesbians has Cate played? At least three?

by Anonymousreply 139September 13, 2022 5:26 AM

Todd Field was such a cutie in the 90s.

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by Anonymousreply 140September 13, 2022 5:57 AM

R139 Carol and now this movie. Which is the third one?

by Anonymousreply 141September 13, 2022 9:20 AM

R141 Notes On A Scandal

by Anonymousreply 142September 13, 2022 9:24 AM

Opps, she only played a minge-teaser in Notes On A Scandal

by Anonymousreply 143September 13, 2022 9:36 AM

She didn't play a lesbian in that film.

by Anonymousreply 144September 13, 2022 1:53 PM

What film R144?

by Anonymousreply 145September 13, 2022 10:13 PM

Blanchett is a Woody Allen supporter.

by Anonymousreply 146September 13, 2022 10:16 PM

Woody has never been charged with any crime R146

by Anonymousreply 147September 13, 2022 10:52 PM

Notes on a Scandal, R145. Judi Dench was a lesbian but Cate wasn’t.

by Anonymousreply 148September 13, 2022 11:16 PM

r147 and what's your excuse for her not having a problem with Roman Polanski?

"Cate Blanchett‘s older children’s monikers draw from a literary great and an iconic filmmaker, but when it came time to name her third child, the Oscar-winner turned to Captain Underpants.

Blanchett said during an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live! that she and husband Andrew Upton had “run out of ideas” when Ignatius, now 7, came around.

“Dash, I guess came from Dashiell Hammett, and Roman … Polanski, but it’s also the French word for book, and Ignatius came from this book called Captain Underpants,” she says."

by Anonymousreply 149September 13, 2022 11:18 PM

My mom named my sister and me after soap opera characters.

by Anonymousreply 150September 13, 2022 11:42 PM

I accept you, R150.

by Anonymousreply 151September 14, 2022 3:09 AM

Cricket and Snapper, #150?

by Anonymousreply 152September 14, 2022 10:55 AM

So it's "woke" to wonder if this is Cate Blanchett's third? fourth? fifth? go-round giving us a macro-lens view of a female dismantled and abased by her character flaws for two and a half hours? And here I thought it was a weary movie-goer's lament . . . Telling and funny that it provoked such venom and rage. What are the odds there's a spectacularly grotesque, can't-look-away "Blue Jasmine" breakdown in the third reel?

by Anonymousreply 153September 14, 2022 11:28 AM

Lol r153 has a point even if no one wants to admit it. CB has gone to this well before. This is just a remix if the plot summary is accurate.

by Anonymousreply 154September 14, 2022 2:49 PM

R148 I was joking from the point of view of DL favourite Barbara Covett, who wished to "roll on the floor like lovers" with sexy Sheba..

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by Anonymousreply 155September 14, 2022 6:04 PM

Michelle Williams is winning the Oscar for The Fabelmans.

by Anonymousreply 156September 14, 2022 6:50 PM

That’s supporting, dear^^^

by Anonymousreply 157September 14, 2022 6:51 PM


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by Anonymousreply 159September 14, 2022 7:05 PM

If Moving On gets a distributor, don't discount Jane Fonda, playing an eighty some odd year old survivor of sexual abuse who wants to kill her attacker.

by Anonymousreply 160September 14, 2022 7:25 PM

Plus, she is battling cancer irl R160.

by Anonymousreply 161September 15, 2022 4:32 AM

R160 & R161 But the film is supposed to be utter shit. The Hollywood Reporter sort of ripped into it. They tried to be as kind as they could...

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by Anonymousreply 162September 15, 2022 12:18 PM

We needed another Fonda/Tomlin project? Really?????

by Anonymousreply 163September 15, 2022 6:49 PM

How long have they been a couple?

by Anonymousreply 164September 15, 2022 7:31 PM

I'm looking forward to watching Cate chew the scenery in her pull-out-the-stops last-act meltdown. After all, she's gotta outdo "Blue Jasmine" for screaming meemees to even get a nomination.

by Anonymousreply 165September 15, 2022 8:09 PM

Can anything outdo her meltdown in Notes On A Scandal?

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by Anonymousreply 166September 15, 2022 9:01 PM

Yeah, "Notes on a Scandal," too! The bar has been set high, and she's gonna have to foam at the mouth in "Tar" just to get a nomination.

by Anonymousreply 167September 15, 2022 10:26 PM

I loved Notes on a Scandal. Dame Judi was robbed of an Oscar by that whore Dame Helen.

by Anonymousreply 168September 15, 2022 10:45 PM

“It’s a flat in the archway road and you think you’re Virginia friggin’ Woolf!”

by Anonymousreply 169September 16, 2022 12:57 AM

Shame Maestro isn’t coming out until next year or we’d potentially have two Oscar winning roles of symphony conductors.

by Anonymousreply 170September 16, 2022 4:15 AM

Judi deserved the Oscar for Notes On A Scandal, her best movie performance, alongside Iris.

Helen should have won for Gosford Park in 2001.

by Anonymousreply 171September 16, 2022 7:57 AM

[quote]I loved Notes on a Scandal. Dame Judi was robbed of an Oscar by that whore Dame Helen.

Notes needed a better veteran actress. Judi was just some poor, horny old lez. The notion that Cate would be terrified of her is laughable. You needed someone like a Glenda Jackson, who is a master in intimidation.

And having Cate wipe her ass on camera after taking a shit in the toilet was repulsive.

by Anonymousreply 172September 17, 2022 4:34 PM

[QUOTE] You needed someone like a Glenda Jackson, who is a master in intimidation.

Which is so interesting because when I met Glenda Jackson twice, both times at stage doors (once at the “Three Tall Women” and the “King Lear” the next year) she could not have been more warm, gracious, and generous with her time. She saw everyone who wanted to see her and was a delight. She seems really close to Ruth Wilson during “Lear” who was also lovely.

Do you know who wasn’t at all? Laurie Metcalf. And Alison Pill had someone announce to all of us that she wouldn’t be posing for selfies or signing Playbills, both things literally no one was even wanting.

by Anonymousreply 173September 17, 2022 6:46 PM

Alison who? Fucking Canadian. She’s lucky she’s even had a career. She was awful in The Newsroom-a Melinda Dillon type cast in a role which cried out for a Meg Ryan type.

by Anonymousreply 174September 17, 2022 11:05 PM

Judi was very menacing in NOAS, it was psychological blackmail, not physical intimidation, and she pulled off the character beautifully

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by Anonymousreply 175September 17, 2022 11:50 PM

Indeed, R175, we even felt for her character a few brief seconds when her cat got put down but then she used it as a form of manipulation and we went back to hating her again. This East German judge gave her a 9.95 for difficulty. That whore Dame Helen could play Liz in her sleep.

by Anonymousreply 176September 18, 2022 12:20 AM

[quote]Judi was very menacing in NOAS, it was psychological blackmail, not physical intimidation,

I'm aware of what she was supposed to do. And she fell short. She's too wimpering in R175.

Watch Women in Love for a master class in psychological blackmail. There was a reason Judi hit it big AFTER Glenda retired.

by Anonymousreply 177September 18, 2022 12:42 AM

Saw it today. The movie is great, and Cate is great. I don't think she'll win the Oscar, though. The performance is a bit more cerebral and restrained than they usually go for, but if she does win it'll be well-deserved.

by Anonymousreply 178October 8, 2022 12:03 AM

R175 I feel the scriptwriter of that scene deserves as much praise as the puppets reciting his words in that scene.

by Anonymousreply 179October 8, 2022 12:12 AM

How do we pronounce Tár?

by Anonymousreply 180October 8, 2022 12:24 AM

R180, your answer is up above.

by Anonymousreply 181October 8, 2022 12:25 AM

A German film called The Audition was on my Delta flight in January. Nina Hoss plays a violinist who teaches a promising young student. It all goes horribly wrong. I recommend it.

by Anonymousreply 182October 8, 2022 12:32 AM

Oh for fuck sake, R7. Mads Mikkelson played a teacher falsely accused of having a relationship with one of his students. Get a grip.

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by Anonymousreply 184October 8, 2022 12:43 AM

R178 does Cate finally show her titties or fanny?

by Anonymousreply 185October 8, 2022 12:50 AM

Apparently the shocking ending is Lydia lowering herself to run an orchestra in Asia where she goes to a brothel and gets a massage. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 186October 8, 2022 2:12 AM

Is Michelle Williams her strongest competition right now?

by Anonymousreply 187October 8, 2022 2:14 AM

Will Cate ever kiss someone passionately with an open mouth in a movie? It always looks like she's kissing a cousin.

by Anonymousreply 188October 8, 2022 2:16 AM

Cate Blanchett isn't a real woman. She hasn't got any breasts.

by Anonymousreply 189October 8, 2022 6:27 AM

Cate Blanchett is a slightly more real version of a woman than Tilda Swinton.

Swinton has no breasts and would make a convincing Martian.

by Anonymousreply 190October 8, 2022 7:03 AM

It's gonna be a campfest for the ages. Cate has a high bar to meet to outdo her scenery-chewing meltdowns in "Blue Jasmine," "Notes on a Scandal," and others bravura hambone turns. But we know she's up to it.

by Anonymousreply 191October 13, 2022 4:16 AM

Excited to see this. Is that Cate in OP’s photo? It doesn’t look like her.

by Anonymousreply 192October 13, 2022 4:33 AM

Click, click, click.

by Anonymousreply 193October 13, 2022 9:39 AM

She looked amazing in Don't Look Up, they really went to town with her make up and teeth

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by Anonymousreply 194October 13, 2022 9:24 PM


by Anonymousreply 195October 13, 2022 11:21 PM

R134 If Meryl had landed the role, she would serve up a tepid remix of Miranda Priestly. I'm not the biggest fan of Blanchett's acting style, but she's superior to Meryl at this point.

by Anonymousreply 196October 14, 2022 12:47 AM

I saw this last night. I was extremely impressed. I think DL will love it, it’s a nuanced and fleshed out character study that didn’t read as Oscar Bait at all - I think it’s too weird for the Academy, in fact. I’m hit or miss with Cate but she was on top form here.

by Anonymousreply 197October 14, 2022 1:37 AM

Nah. She's had a Best Actress and a Best Supporting. She'll have to wait a while for another one.

by Anonymousreply 198October 14, 2022 1:41 AM

No one will see this.

by Anonymousreply 199October 14, 2022 2:14 AM

Part of that is accurate, r186.

by Anonymousreply 200October 14, 2022 2:37 AM

R198 Yes, I agree.

by Anonymousreply 201October 14, 2022 3:00 AM

Cate Blanchett likes to put harvested foreskins of newborn Korean boys on her face.

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by Anonymousreply 202October 14, 2022 3:33 AM

R199 I will.

by Anonymousreply 203October 14, 2022 9:12 AM

It’s already flopped. It had a good per theater for about two days then it was all downhill. It’s already out of audience. Any hope they have is on streaming. And no one is going to be rewarding an Oscar to a two time Oscar winning actress in a movie that’s barely been able to eke out 250k internationally over two weeks against a movie that’s well reviewed, well received, and that’s made well over 100 mil profit and is still making money.

by Anonymousreply 204October 15, 2022 4:03 PM

R204 has made good points. This is the classic example of a Film Festival megahit that flops in real life.

However I suspect the actress playing the Mother in Till will win.

by Anonymousreply 205October 15, 2022 4:26 PM

Till will bomb at the box office, too, R205. No fucking way will Deadwyler win.

by Anonymousreply 206October 15, 2022 7:36 PM

Since when did you need a Box Office hit to win Best Actress?

by Anonymousreply 207October 15, 2022 7:55 PM

R204, though Tar won't be a box office success and Blanchett already has two Oscars, I think this is a case where the performance is just too big too ignore. Critics are calling Blanchett's performance the best of her career, and the movie is almost three hours of Oscar clip after Oscar clip. She's not just in every scene of the movie, she's in almost every frame.

I'm skeptical about Deadwyler because it's really tough to win an Oscar in Lead if you're a virtual unknown. Jean Dujardin was probably the last time that happened, and he was in the Best Picture winner. You could make the case for Brie Larson or Olivia Colman, but even they were in the awards conversation for other projects before they won on their first nomination.

I know it's early in the season (last year at this time it it looked like Kristen Stewart was going to be the winner, and she barely eked out a nomination), but if the conversation comes down to "it's Blanchett versus Yeoh," "no, it's Blanchett versus Deadwyler," "no, it's Blanchett versus Michelle Williams," the most likely result is that it's just going to be Cate Blanchett.

by Anonymousreply 208October 15, 2022 8:18 PM

Why would they give an Australian woman three Oscars? And for this kind of movie? I doubt it, unless there literally is no competition.

by Anonymousreply 209October 15, 2022 8:47 PM

Glennie not winning for The Wife is possibly down to the film getting mixed to negative reviews and very small box office receipts. Livvie’s film The Favorite got fantastic reviews and did very well at the box office.

The woke brigade/bleeding hearts are praising Deadwyler to the skies but Blanchett is clearly winning this no matter what.

by Anonymousreply 210October 15, 2022 11:12 PM

I just saw this in the theater. The audience was about 30 folks -- all 40 & above.

Cate was terrific in it. This was a pretentious slog. Wow. How I wanted to love it.

Todd Fields needs to take another 16 years away from filmmaking and then quit entirely.

by Anonymousreply 211October 16, 2022 12:18 AM

The premise of this tale is just so incredibly dense: "Lydia Tár is one of the greatest living composer/conductors, and first-ever female chief conductor of the Berlin Philharmonic."

The problem is that this could never happen in real life on planet Earth. Due to biology. The whole story is yet another pure woke make-belief where they put a woman in a role written for a man.

by Anonymousreply 212October 16, 2022 12:52 AM

R212 Are you retarded? Don't answer.

by Anonymousreply 213October 16, 2022 1:05 AM

R209 What does her being Australian has to do with anything?

by Anonymousreply 214October 16, 2022 1:05 AM

R214 We don't like interlopers in OUR award shows.

by Anonymousreply 215October 16, 2022 1:10 AM

R215 Yeah, that's why she has two Oscars.

by Anonymousreply 216October 16, 2022 1:12 AM

[quote] she has two Oscars

No, one proper oscar and a smaller, second-rate Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 217October 16, 2022 1:18 AM

Yeah, two Oscars.

by Anonymousreply 218October 16, 2022 1:27 AM

R217, that’s like the “little bit pregnant” argument. Dolt.

by Anonymousreply 219October 16, 2022 4:15 AM

Two Oscars too many.

by Anonymousreply 220October 16, 2022 11:19 AM

Has no one bothered to see this? It came into wide release yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 221October 30, 2022 4:12 AM

You mean there isn’t an audience for a campy #metoo movie about a dyke who conducts Mahler with the Berlin Philharmonic?

Color me shocked.

by Anonymousreply 222October 30, 2022 4:29 AM

I went today and there were only 3 other people in the theater besides me. 2/4 were both pushing 60 and one of them took 3 bathroom breaks throughout the whole movie.

by Anonymousreply 223October 30, 2022 4:33 AM

Wow, where was this r223?

by Anonymousreply 224October 30, 2022 4:17 PM

R223 it was probably someone off to the loo for a wank, thinking about Cate and her baton!

by Anonymousreply 225October 30, 2022 6:31 PM

I wasn’t blown away by Cate like I was expecting to be, but she was good. If she had to win a 3rd Oscar it should’ve been for Carol.

by Anonymousreply 226November 5, 2022 4:20 AM

How Mahlerific is it, actually? Do they only use the first movement?

by Anonymousreply 227November 5, 2022 5:07 AM

^ first movement of Symphony No. 5, that is.

by Anonymousreply 228November 5, 2022 12:27 PM

Please R227. It’s a Hollywood movie that doesn’t know shit about classical music. Of course they’re using the fourth movement, adagietto, the cliche music Hollywood always uses when it comes to Mahler. The moment the movie was announced I knew they’d use it since it’s been used dozens of times before. There was an entire movie revolving around the adagietto, The Music Teacher, or whatever it was, starring Jose VanDam.

by Anonymousreply 229November 5, 2022 12:35 PM

R229 hasn’t seen the movie or listened to the soundtrack. There’s more of the first movement than the fourth.

by Anonymousreply 230November 5, 2022 12:48 PM

[quote]There was an entire movie revolving around the adagietto, The Music Teacher, or whatever it was, starring Jose VanDam.

R229 that wasn't a Hollywood movie (i.e., United States).

It was from Belgium.

by Anonymousreply 231November 5, 2022 12:51 PM

And it was terrible R231.

by Anonymousreply 232November 5, 2022 1:03 PM

But Jose Van Dam has dreamy eyes and a gorgeous voice

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by Anonymousreply 233November 5, 2022 1:09 PM

I went to see "Banshees of Inisherin " last night. There were, indeed, under 40s in line for "Tar" and for "Banshees", but "Banshees" seems more like successful Oscar bait. Collin Farrell and Brendan Gleeson are great---Farrell is a "star" who can act and Gleeson is a character player who can hold his own with a star. Plus the supporting cast is terrific and the cinematography is incredible (the weather in Ireland rarely cooperates).

"Tar" has several things going against it---a predatory woman will make men and women uneasy---it's akin to why the news media never explores why Trump got a majority from white women. Men keep away from a subject they'll be accused of screwing up no matter what and educated, nominally feminist women don't like to confront the notion that women can be as cruel and ignorant as men. Also, the Mahler revival has run its course and many classical music fans, including me, really don't care for his music. Todd Field, who hasn't done anything in years is the Oscar-worthy story here. He might win for Direction but Blanchett and the film will not.

by Anonymousreply 234November 5, 2022 1:12 PM

No way he wins direction. Sarah Polley, Daniels, Chazelle, hell even Spielberg are ahead of him. He might be able to eke out a nom, barely, but a win? No way. Hollywood doesn’t like temperamental autistics who only pull their shit together to make a mediocre movie every decade and a half. See: Terence Malick.

by Anonymousreply 235November 5, 2022 1:19 PM

[quote]I’m sure there will be lots of quick cuts of hair flinging and choppy editing to make it look like she did learn to do those things but really they couldn’t use more than a few seconds of a take at a time because she had no clue what she was doing.

R21 that's exactly how I made everyone think CZJ could dance in Chicago.

by Anonymousreply 236November 5, 2022 1:35 PM

This dog will be ignored by the Academy.

Most members will barely be able to get past the first 30 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 237November 5, 2022 2:06 PM

Malick's films are confusing muddles. Spielberg collected lots of honors in the 90s and '00s, he doesn't seem like someone who will get the "obligatory" nom now.

by Anonymousreply 238November 5, 2022 2:06 PM

[quote]Also, the Mahler revival has run its course

What has replaced it?

by Anonymousreply 239November 5, 2022 2:42 PM

Many classical music fans really don’t care for his music?

Bitch, please.

by Anonymousreply 240November 5, 2022 4:33 PM

Nothing needs to replace Mahler's revival. Anyone who lived through the hype that was building in the 70s and 80s ais relived that beyond a few fanboys, we can admit that his work is dreary and lacking.

by Anonymousreply 241November 5, 2022 4:35 PM

Mahler, "dreary and lacking"? Oh, please, queen.

There's no composer I like more. I'm also fond of Beethoven's non-orchestral music, everything by Schubert and Bach, and I've come to like Barber and Brahms. But there is no classical music I like more than Mahler's symphonies.

You sound dreary, r241. And very, very lacking.

by Anonymousreply 242November 5, 2022 4:46 PM

Lacking: an adjective used by those who think they sound deep when they’ve got nothing.

by Anonymousreply 243November 5, 2022 5:29 PM

The Fabelmans is currently running number one for both nominations and wins on Gold Derby and they generally get this stuff right R238. Spielberg is currently the number one director. He’s not only going to be nominated, he has the inside track on the win.

by Anonymousreply 244November 5, 2022 8:51 PM

It should be noted that Blanchett is also running number one on Gold Derby, but it’s the closest race by far with Michelle Yeoh right behind her. I think Yeoh will eke out the win.

by Anonymousreply 245November 5, 2022 8:52 PM

Does she show her boobs? She's never done any nudity. Even Meryl flashed a tit in Silkwood

by Anonymousreply 246November 5, 2022 9:07 PM

This POS has barely made $3 million. It’s not winning anything.

by Anonymousreply 247November 5, 2022 10:30 PM

R26, If Brendan Fraser isn't BA, there is no way TC will be.

by Anonymousreply 248November 5, 2022 10:41 PM

It's between Michelle Yeoh and Margot Robbie in Babylon. I give the edge to Yeoh because there are a ton of Hollywood heavyweights who are obsessed with EEAO and Yeoh's performance. No one will see Tar at the end of the day.

"Regardless, I’ll mention it again, I’ve never seen this many actors/filmmakers gushing over a film this decade. Industry superfans of "Everything Everywhere All At Once" include Miles Teller, Riz Ahmed, Sian Heder, Guillermo del Toro, Anne Hathaway, Scott Derrickson, Colman Domingo, Sam Rockwell, Edgar Wright, SZA, Andrew Garfield, Reese Whitherspoon, Kogonada, Keke Palmer, Barry Jenkins, Lilly Wachowski, Florence Pugh, Jodie Foster, The Russos and Mike Flanagan.

At the end of the day, it comes down to “Babylon.” The film will be press screened on November 14th and then, only then, will we know what awaits Damien Chazelle’s epic film. The now-legendary test-screening that occurred this past Spring had people leaving the theatre floating in sheer cinematic nirvana. I’ve spoken to more than half a dozen attendees who now all abide by the church of “Babylon.”

by Anonymousreply 249November 6, 2022 2:31 AM

[quote]The now-legendary test-screening that occurred this past Spring had people leaving the theatre floating in sheer cinematic nirvana. I’ve spoken to more than half a dozen attendees who now all abide by the church of “Babylon.”

Also likely to earn Jean Smart a BSA nomination.

by Anonymousreply 250November 6, 2022 3:48 AM

Looks like an amalgamation of many other "Decadence Among the Rich and Famous" movies.

by Anonymousreply 251November 6, 2022 8:33 AM

Brendan Fraser is definitely getting nommed R248, he’s in first by a wide margin on Gold Derby.

by Anonymousreply 252November 6, 2022 1:08 PM

FUCK OFF. Ms. Cate Blanchette is today’s Meryl.

by Anonymousreply 253November 6, 2022 1:13 PM

R253 days that like it is a compliment.

by Anonymousreply 254November 6, 2022 2:56 PM

[R253] says that like it is a compliment

by Anonymousreply 255November 6, 2022 2:57 PM

R249- The trailer was not great for Babylon, but you now have me psyched.

I am pulling for Sarah Polley at least getting nominated, as I really just like her as a human being (The film looks like a complete bore)

I am excited for White Noise and Tar.

Not much else.

by Anonymousreply 256November 6, 2022 3:03 PM

What was going on at the end of TÁR. Was she conducting for a Japanese cosplay convention?

by Anonymousreply 257November 6, 2022 3:19 PM

Michelle Williams will win if Fabelmans wins best picture.

by Anonymousreply 258November 6, 2022 3:23 PM

R258 win what? Best Actress?

by Anonymousreply 259November 6, 2022 3:26 PM

I love Michelle and would never root against her. Many people thing she is a drip. I dig her. I have no interest in Speilberg's film though.

by Anonymousreply 260November 6, 2022 3:27 PM

And by the hell is A24 and Mia Goth not campaigning for herself? (Pearl)I feel she deserves the nomination as well as anyone!

by Anonymousreply 261November 6, 2022 3:28 PM

I think Mia Goth could be a surprise nominee come nomination morning.

by Anonymousreply 262November 6, 2022 3:42 PM

Yes, r252; my post indicates that.

by Anonymousreply 263November 6, 2022 3:49 PM

I believe Cate was conducting her score for a movie she had done. EGOT, remember?

by Anonymousreply 264November 6, 2022 6:26 PM

Lol R22, imagine thinking your opinion matters to me or anyone else for that matter.

by Anonymousreply 265November 7, 2022 1:22 AM

The Gold Derby nerds adore Michelle Yeoh but no way will she win. She’s not respected as an actress even though she does a good job in EEAAO. In all her other films she comes off as stiff and robotic.

by Anonymousreply 266November 7, 2022 6:06 PM

"Tar," with an accent mark no less, will fail at the Box Office. Utterly.

by Anonymousreply 267November 8, 2022 1:37 AM

It already has

by Anonymousreply 268November 8, 2022 2:28 AM

It and "The Banshees of Whatever" are currently being shown at my local art-theatre venue (where "Elvis" was all summer). Pass. The latter's story of friends falling out isn't one I care to live fictionally as I lived it in reality.

I will go to see "The Whale," though, to see for myself Brendan's performance.

by Anonymousreply 269November 8, 2022 7:06 AM

Saw Tar last night. Cate Blanchett was amazing. As a classical musician, I can say with absolute certainty that Cate Blanchett actually was playing the piano in the film - (correct notes, correct rhythms, correct fingering) - and she did it very well - AND spoke while doing it. That is huge to me, because so rare in film, where usually they pan on the actors face and quickly pan down to fingers that CLEARLY don't belong to the actor Her conducting technique was a little more questionable, yet not weirder than some I've seen, including some clips of Lenny Bernstein conducting which can be found on youtube. I found the film mesmerizing, but this would be a difficult slog for someone who wasn't knowledgeable about classical music. (It has a bit of a horror film vibe, which might be enough to sustain it for those who know nothing of the classical music scene).

by Anonymousreply 270November 8, 2022 9:35 AM

Thanks for your thoughts R270

by Anonymousreply 271November 8, 2022 3:39 PM

Michelle Yeoh has the best narrative to win this year. Huge industry support for the movie and her performance, and potentially the first Asian woman to win the best actress Oscar. The movie is also an audience favorite.

by Anonymousreply 272November 8, 2022 4:38 PM

[quote]Michelle Yeoh has the best narrative to win this year.

Did you have to call it "the narrative"?

by Anonymousreply 273November 8, 2022 4:39 PM

R273, that’s the term film nerds like Perri Nemiroff use.

by Anonymousreply 274November 10, 2022 10:10 PM

I loved both Everything Everywhere All at Once AND Tar. They were both very unique, well cast and acted. I’d be happy if either one won but somehow I think it unlikely they will.

by Anonymousreply 275November 11, 2022 3:21 AM

R275 = miss pollyanna pissface

by Anonymousreply 276November 11, 2022 4:21 AM

Shit would have been a more appropriate title.

by Anonymousreply 277November 12, 2022 7:06 AM

I saw this last night in the theater. I wanted to like it more than I did. I really enjoyed Todd Field's "In the Bedroom"—such a bleak but powerful film despite having such a straightforward story. No frills, but completely riveting. This film took place in a much more rarified world, and I felt like there was a lot of material built into the narrative that was left largely unexplored. I expected the film to reach a fever pitch at some point, which it sort of did, but it didn't feel nearly as powerful as I was hoping it would. The overall tone of it was drab, and at times it almost played like a psychological horror movie. Blanchett was great in it, admittedly, as were all the supporting actors. It's something I may need to rewatch to fully appreciate.

by Anonymousreply 278November 12, 2022 7:36 AM

Just started watching. This is some super pretentious shit. This beginning with the staged interview is such a cheat, so exposition heavy. Looks like Cate Blanchett’s worst performance, not a word of it is believable.

by Anonymousreply 279November 17, 2022 10:02 PM

Tar was pretentious, boring and totally unnecessary. It's already been forgotten by everyone. The publicist who started this thread can now stop.

by Anonymousreply 280November 17, 2022 10:24 PM

I loved In the Bedroom and liked Little Children so I was expecting to love this Tar, but it left me cold. Interesting movie but I didn’t find it very engaging. Cate was good but she could give this performance in her sleep.

by Anonymousreply 281November 17, 2022 11:06 PM

$19.99 to rent this movie on demand and $24.99 to purchase it! WTF.

Please save your money on this over-hyped & amateurish movie!

by Anonymousreply 282November 18, 2022 10:30 PM

Good movie. Won't win any Oscars. Will get a few nods.

by Anonymousreply 283November 18, 2022 11:24 PM

Looked great, but it's one of the coldest movies I think I've ever seen. Even the kiddie scenes felt ice-cold. Funny how the homage to Tarkovsky's Stalker with the dog in the abandoned building (best moment in the whole movie) felt like the most human moment of the whole thing to me. Blanchett was fine as always, but the movie was a disappointing slog. Least rewatchable movie in recent memory.

by Anonymousreply 284November 19, 2022 12:26 AM

cate should have 3 oscars already but "poop" stole one.

by Anonymousreply 285November 19, 2022 12:36 AM

sorry "goop".

by Anonymousreply 286November 19, 2022 12:37 AM

I thought it was phenomenal. I except best picture, actress, director, screenplay, and cinematography.

by Anonymousreply 287November 19, 2022 1:02 AM

I meant "expect," obviously. One too many mezcals inhibited my proofreading…

by Anonymousreply 288November 19, 2022 1:11 AM

omg so boring!

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by Anonymousreply 291November 19, 2022 3:50 PM

Pauline Kael would hate this film.

by Anonymousreply 292November 21, 2022 4:17 AM

Loved it. Fucking good film. Hope she wins.

by Anonymousreply 293November 21, 2022 4:29 AM

R293 Yeah. A Razzie.

by Anonymousreply 294November 21, 2022 5:06 AM

She’s not winning an Oscar for this. It’s a flop, a boring art film, and her character is unlikable.

by Anonymousreply 295November 21, 2022 5:10 AM

Blanchett doesn't need a third Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 296November 21, 2022 6:15 AM

I speak German why didn’t I get this role. Cate is guilty of cultural appropriation - cancel her.

by Anonymousreply 297November 21, 2022 11:59 PM

I thought there were only floor length stalls in Europe, not like we have in the US. Was this just so Lydia could peek under one?

by Anonymousreply 298November 23, 2022 12:10 AM

Oh but Cate was insufferable with Colbert tonight.

by Anonymousreply 299November 23, 2022 6:45 AM

R299 She knows she is going to win.

by Anonymousreply 300November 23, 2022 7:27 AM

R299, She's so guarded/phony with her answers to the Colbert questionnaire. She can't help herself.

I was afraid her wig was going to fall off while she was laying down.

by Anonymousreply 301November 23, 2022 7:31 AM

R301 I cannot watch Colbert. He is a practicing Catholic, which is a choice he makes. To continue being a part of that religion. So, I will not watch him.

So, sum it up, Is Cate really scary friendly and needy?

by Anonymousreply 302November 23, 2022 7:37 AM

R302 to be fair, with Catholicism, it's kind of a "once a Catholic, always a Catholic" sort of thing. I try not to judge people who still have some affiliation with it too greatly. It is one of the few Christian denominations that has a deep, historic, and expansive culture underpinning it; in that regard, it sort of reminds me of Judaism in some ways. Even if you aren't a practicing Catholic, it's not a religion that commonly excommunicates either. As much darkness as there is in the religious hierarchy itself, I think there are many good, reasonable Catholics out there who aren't Bible-beating nut jobs.

by Anonymousreply 303November 23, 2022 8:40 AM

Once a Catholic, always in recovery, for sure. But as mentioned above, for the average Catholic person there is no excommunication, no shunning, no disinheriting, so lots of Catholics drift in a sort of no-man's land of being slightly ex-Catholic, but still culturally Catholic, and might even identify themselves to others as being Catholic. . Most US Catholics are what are sometimes called cafeteria Catholics - and this probably true in most of the world, as the religion numbers over 1 billion. People tend to take the parts from the wide body of practices that they like and follow those, while pretty much completely discarding the rest.

Good parts (for me) - a legacy of serving others, volunteering, delivering food to the needy, clothing for the homeless, founding hospitals and schools, tending to the sick and untouchables, do-unto-others mentality, with lots of examples (saints) constantly offered up to demonstrate how ordinary humans could exemplify the best of generous and loving qualities and concern for their fellow men, etc. Bad parts would be church officials and others being dogmatic and unyielding on things like abortion, gay marriage, contraception, alternative interpretations of Biblical passages, and a hierarchical sexist power structure which reinforced and made worse the entire shuffling around of known pedaphilic priests from parish to parish. No accountability, lots of bishops and others being completely closed to dialogue. A 2000 year legacy of anti-semitism.

Lots of people raised Catholic are understandably horrified by a lot of those bad parts of Catholic legacy and try to distance themselves from those aspects. Just the fact that Fauci, Biden, Pelosi, Sotomayor and AOC are Catholic along with Alito, Kavanaugh, Paul Gosar, Steve King and Amy Coney Barret shows the huge diversity in personalities and points of view that fall under that umbrella.

by Anonymousreply 304November 23, 2022 9:28 AM

I thought it was a good European style film. It would have made a better thriller handled by someone like Roman Polanski. It definitely made me think of haneke and Isabelle huppert.

by Anonymousreply 305November 23, 2022 8:19 PM

did anyone else get faye dunaway in Network vibes? Something in her mannerisms reminded me of Faye. And then she does have an over the top mommie dearest style scene.

by Anonymousreply 306November 23, 2022 8:21 PM

Just saw it. It was good but quite heavy and depressing. Not as artsy as trailer made it to be.

by Anonymousreply 307November 23, 2022 8:35 PM

Why does she puke after her “massage”? Was it because the one she chose hadn’t cleaned her snatch properly?

by Anonymousreply 308November 23, 2022 11:58 PM

Cause she had sex with a prostitute so it made her sick that she would do something like that. At least that's how I saw it.

by Anonymousreply 309November 24, 2022 10:03 AM

I didn't understood that scene where she goes running after the cello girl into that abandoned house. What was that all about? She clearly didn't live there.

by Anonymousreply 310November 24, 2022 10:04 AM

She was nosy. And she wanted to eat out the cello girl’s pussy.

by Anonymousreply 311November 24, 2022 3:29 PM

"I didn't understood that scene where she goes running after the cello girl into that abandoned house. What was that all about? She clearly didn't live there. "

That's the point, the girl didn't want the teacher to know where she lived.

by Anonymousreply 312November 24, 2022 4:46 PM

I was particularly amused by the scene with the sister and real estate people telling Lydia they’re showing the apartment upstairs and could Lydia stop with her too loud music. And then Lydia shuts the door in her face and proceeds to get very loud. The Germans have a big thing about noise. They have laws regarding them and the cops will actually show up and hand you a substantial fine.

by Anonymousreply 313November 24, 2022 4:59 PM

R310, the cellist had left her talisman/good luck charm behind with Lydia (on purpose?) and an infatuated Lydia had gone into the house to find her. Lydia, who is deceptive herself, can’t see that the cellist is lying to her. The film could have used a lot more of this kind of Lesbian Drama.

by Anonymousreply 314November 24, 2022 6:35 PM

R310 -Lydia follows Olga home to an abandoned, dilapidated apartment complex. Scared by a dog, Lydia trips and injures herself. She lies to Sharon and her orchestra, claiming the injuries were from an assault.

by Anonymousreply 315November 24, 2022 6:49 PM

The print I watched didn't have German subtitles and since I can't understand German I didn't get what she said to the girl who was supposedly bullying her adopted daughter.

by Anonymousreply 316November 24, 2022 6:51 PM

The vomiting is supposedly the result of her realization that she treated the orchestra like a smorgasbord of pussy, in that the masseuses she picked from were arranged similarly to an orchestra.

by Anonymousreply 317November 24, 2022 7:17 PM

This movie is a bomb and is not going to win any Oscar’s. For best actress, it will be Michelle Yeoh or Michelle Williams.

by Anonymousreply 318November 24, 2022 7:24 PM

R316, Tár says that she is Petra's father, that she knows what the girl is doing to Petra, and that if the girl does it again Tár will "get her." And if the girl tells a grown-up what she has said, they won't believer her, because Tár is a grown up. Then she struts off.

by Anonymousreply 319November 24, 2022 7:48 PM

R315 You just described everything what happened. I saw it, I have eyes. But don't understand what's was the story behind it. Why did that girl go to the abandoned house?

R314 Lying about what? And why would she leave it on purpose?

R312 Why didn't she wanted her to know where she lives? She didn't just go to the hall and waited for Lydia to drive away. She disappeared completely.

by Anonymousreply 320November 24, 2022 8:34 PM

Was the weird neighbor neglecting her mother?

by Anonymousreply 321November 24, 2022 8:35 PM

I think she was just mentally and emotionally unequipped to deal with an ill mother.

by Anonymousreply 322November 24, 2022 9:10 PM

It seems the company had auditions where the players are behind screens. Is that true to life?

by Anonymousreply 323November 24, 2022 11:14 PM

R323, yes, it is. Most major orchestras do this and, as a result, have hired significantly more female musicians.

by Anonymousreply 324November 24, 2022 11:24 PM

Seems bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 325November 24, 2022 11:25 PM

I didn't understand the significance of the Julliard student having a shaking leg? Was it just so that Lydia could be conveniently filmed touching it?

Also what was the thing she stole from Sebastian's desk?

by Anonymousreply 326November 24, 2022 11:29 PM

The Russian girl was fug. I couldn't understand what the fuss was about. Tar's own wife was better looking than that!

by Anonymousreply 327November 24, 2022 11:43 PM

The Juilliard kid was fucking obnoxious and a woke nightmare. Good luck with him having a career if he refuses to listen to or play the work of cis white composers. Piece of shit. He deserved the trashing he got from her.

by Anonymousreply 328November 25, 2022 12:55 AM

Yes but what was the leg shaking? Just nerves or a physical condition?

by Anonymousreply 329November 25, 2022 1:11 AM

R329 ...weakness, physicalized.

by Anonymousreply 330November 25, 2022 1:21 AM

R326, he compulsively clicked a pen and Lydia stole it from his desk.

by Anonymousreply 331November 25, 2022 1:26 AM

Yes I noticed that because in one scene she stopped him doing it. I guess that was another physicalization of weakness.

by Anonymousreply 332November 25, 2022 2:00 AM

It's such a movie trope the idea that Lydia finds incriminating evidence at Francesca's supposedly abandoned apartment as if she knew Lydia would come to find it.

by Anonymousreply 333November 25, 2022 5:43 AM

I felt the same as R284. There was something very detached and cold about the characters. Maybe that's part of the point. I don't know if I would call Blanchett's performance great or even good. She's playing a pretentious narcissist with anxiety issues and probably because she suffers from imposter syndrome. She's not an original. It's an ok film I can re-watch and pickup more things and probably have a change of assessment along the way only because so much is left out and up to viewer's speculations.

by Anonymousreply 334November 25, 2022 1:17 PM

R323: There is now a movement afoot to dispense with blind auditions, because they disadvantage brown and black musicians, supposedly. Asians are no longer considered POC in the world of Classical Music. Because they are dominating it as soloists and top orchestral players.

by Anonymousreply 335November 25, 2022 1:30 PM

r320, the girl didn't want Tar to drop her off at her actual address because she sensed that Tar is a creep/weirdo. So she had her drop her at a generic place. It's a satefy trick that women use, don't you know ?

Now did the girl leave the object behind in Tar's car on purpose, personnally I didn't believe so, but who knows.

The scene happens quickly, it looks as though the girl "disappears" but the movie is weird like that. I noted two brief moments in Tar's appartment where you can see a blonde woman standing/sitting there. Maybe the "apparition" of the girl who killed herself.

by Anonymousreply 336November 25, 2022 5:53 PM

I thought the dead girl was redhead.

Yes Olga seemed to know that Lydia was attracted to her and took advantage of that to get the solo spot but wasn't going to sleep with her. That's why she lied about not wanting to have dinner in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 337November 25, 2022 6:44 PM

R336 I only noted one "apparition" scene, that's when she came into her own house after meeting Andris. When's the other scene?

by Anonymousreply 338November 25, 2022 6:48 PM

I felt the movie took too long to get to the #MeToo stuff and those orchestra rehearsals were repetitive. I think we got the point pretty fast that Lydia was a pretentious fool based on the opening interview and the Krista Taylor plot was unnecessarily oblique. The Olga plot was enough to explore the idea that Lydia was giving favors to young women so they could have had Olga push back to show repercussions and lose the whole Krista Taytor thread. The idea that Lydia would consciously attend the live performance when she presumably agreed to step down for the night seemed ridiculous though apparently an expression of her madness. However I liked the idea of her hearing noises all the time which was said to be a sign of her intelligence but read more as autism.

by Anonymousreply 339November 25, 2022 7:00 PM

r338 the other apparition was in the background in a glimpse when Tar sits up in bed after hearing the daughter crying. Very creepy.

by Anonymousreply 340November 25, 2022 7:12 PM

I don't get why she called Sebastian a misogamist (hater of marriage). He is Andris' (her mentor, the older man) lover, but Andris is also married to a woman. I didn't get that outburst, was it just resentments rising to the surface?

by Anonymousreply 341November 25, 2022 7:17 PM

I think the scene of her following Olga shows Lydia Tar will disregard sense and even personal safety to pursue her prey and this would eventually be a main cause of her downfall. She would venture further into the dark basement when sense would tell her something's really off. All kinds of alarm bells should have gone off.

The live-streaming chats, stolen performance score, shipibo pattern scribbling are likely the work of Francesca. Who else would be on a private jet with Tar, be able to assess her hotel room and has keys to her home.

by Anonymousreply 342November 25, 2022 7:19 PM

R341 I took it that she meant he didn't respect the sanctity of marriage.

by Anonymousreply 343November 25, 2022 7:46 PM

I don't see how anyone can take "Tar" seriously...I howled with laughter when she stumbled out of the massage parlor on rubbery legs...it was like something from a comedy sketch.

by Anonymousreply 344November 25, 2022 8:04 PM

Thanks r340!

by Anonymousreply 345November 25, 2022 8:07 PM

R343, well neither does she, making her orchestra her harem. I guess it's projection.

by Anonymousreply 346November 25, 2022 8:15 PM

R336 Why would she leave it on purpose if she didn't wanted Lydia to follow her and to know where she lives. Also, who did that girl disappear when she went into that abandoned building. Wouldn't she just waited in the hall untill Lydia would drive away?

by Anonymousreply 347November 25, 2022 9:33 PM

My God r347 you're dense or what ? Read the posts and try to comprehend them.

by Anonymousreply 348November 25, 2022 10:15 PM

Another odd touch was the process of her getting fitted for a hand-made jacket and then the result was that it looked nothing special.

by Anonymousreply 349November 25, 2022 10:46 PM

R348 Look who's talking.

by Anonymousreply 350November 25, 2022 10:50 PM

The whole thing with the hillbilly brother at the end was pretty derivative. I mean, they could've at least gotten Amy Morton to play her sister.

by Anonymousreply 351November 25, 2022 10:55 PM

Or Amy Madigan as the mother.

by Anonymousreply 352November 26, 2022 12:03 AM

What was the Planet of the Apes reference she makes?

by Anonymousreply 353November 26, 2022 10:25 PM

R347, I think she slipped out a back or side exit.

R351, the whole last 15 minutes…

R353, "Oh, well, then you must be aware that Varèse once famously stated that jazz was 'a Negro product exploited by the Jews.' Didn't stop Jerry Goldsmith from ripping him off for his [italic]Planet of the Apes[/italic] score. That's kind of a perfect insult, don't you think?"

by Anonymousreply 354November 26, 2022 11:05 PM

Do you know what Varese music she is referring to?

by Anonymousreply 355November 27, 2022 1:38 AM

I don't understand why she took the pen from Sebastian, was it because she found it annoying? It was the same with the leg shaking. I found it irritatingly distracting during the Julliard scenes. What was the point? People are stressed out in her presence? It was also strange she brought home the handbag from her fling with the young woman. It seems out of character for her? When her wife says the bag suits her I was thinking no way. Sharon didn't mean what she says as she really suspects otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 356November 27, 2022 4:49 PM

r356 here. Just to add that I understand the significance of the bag but it seems an out of character thing for Lydia to do.

by Anonymousreply 357November 27, 2022 4:52 PM

No sex scenes... Bah.

by Anonymousreply 358November 27, 2022 4:58 PM

R355, some have said that the Planet of the Apes soundtrack has some similarities to Varese’s Arcana.

by Anonymousreply 359November 27, 2022 6:22 PM

r356 here. Found some comment on reddit related to my questions.

"Todd Field shared that Lydia Tár suffers from misophonia and misokinesia. She experiences emotional distress that usually includes anger, when she is exposed to certain triggering sounds & sights under conditions that she lacks control over them. It's partially why she is so anxious before the interview and why she so frustrated by Max's bouncing leg and the clicking of the pen. Lydia is stealing her wife's beta-blockers to calm down because she won't admit she needs treatment."

by Anonymousreply 360November 27, 2022 7:28 PM

In addition to their comment "Todd Field also said Lydia grew up with deaf parents which adds another interesting element to her quirks. We see an awfully contorted angry face in one of the trailers I assumed to be Lydia's mother. People do not just run away and cut ties with their families of origin when they have had happy lives. Lydia Tár left behind Linda Tarr who adored Leonard Bernstein and recorded all his appearances on VHS, and fought her way into the classical music world. Leonard Bernstein had mentored her? Not exactly. Lydia finessed her backstory so she could fit in with the upper echelons of the classical music world."

Not sure if these are assertions of what Todd Field said are accurate.

by Anonymousreply 361November 27, 2022 7:32 PM

I found her choice of the word robot as an insult interesting though I think she used moron once.

by Anonymousreply 362November 27, 2022 8:12 PM

R359 thanks.

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by Anonymousreply 363November 27, 2022 8:15 PM

Jerry's Version.

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by Anonymousreply 364November 27, 2022 8:17 PM

She used the word “robot” a few times to diss people. That was odd.

by Anonymousreply 365November 28, 2022 1:07 AM

R365, I thought it was so cool! "millennial robots trading in lies" I have started using it. Instead of calling people "pigs" (lovely animals) it's something better: robots programmed by social media…

I also lived her griping toward the end about her wife's sister: "She's fringe! The worst kind! Every time I walk out of this house she's in your ear with intrigue or she's asking me about some other piece of fringe…" lmao

by Anonymousreply 366November 28, 2022 1:13 AM

There's a Nov 20 screed online by former NYT dance critic Alistair Macauley pronouncing "Tar" an "appalling" piece of "Lesbophobia." Readable at website that bears his name. The secret of linking seems to be eluding me. Also, keywording "Cate Blanchett" into the search window over at Slipped Disc, Norman Lebrecht's bitchy, dishy, daily classical music-world blog, pulls up a good half-dozen gossippy items. "Serious" classical music gatekeepers love to clutch their pearls over Lebrecht, but he's sheer DL.

by Anonymousreply 367November 29, 2022 4:53 AM

Alastair review.

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by Anonymousreply 368November 29, 2022 5:03 AM

She'll be nominated for certain. But win? No.

by Anonymousreply 369November 29, 2022 5:10 AM

The use of “robot” makes me wonder if it’s meant the way that “NPC” is frequently used right now. Even if Tàr were younger and it were plausible that she’d use that word, Fielding knows the average age of his audience and wouldn’t put a needlessly confusing term in his script. Just a thought.

by Anonymousreply 370November 29, 2022 5:50 AM

Was anyone else struck by how she described herself in the Juliiard class as a U-Haul lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 371November 29, 2022 6:36 AM

That Gen Z student was a total prick. Couldn't stand him and any of his ilk. You just know there are real life imitations of him walking around pontificating about how they won't have anything to do with white cisgender men. If that's the case, they should stop driving cars, using electricity or cell phones, etc.

by Anonymousreply 372November 29, 2022 6:38 AM

The class appeared to be quite underpopulated or was it only intended for special students?

by Anonymousreply 373November 29, 2022 6:42 AM

Danielle Deadwyler should be the front runner for Best Actess. I’d be fine with Yeoh winning though.

by Anonymousreply 374November 29, 2022 6:52 AM

Would even the most naive/“woke”/immature student at Julliard really diss Bach? That startled me, even as someone fairly unsophisticated about classical music.

by Anonymousreply 375November 29, 2022 3:44 PM

Funny how that woke student used a sexist term when she called him out, and called her a bitch. So much for being woke.

by Anonymousreply 376November 29, 2022 3:48 PM

Thanks for posting that, R368.

And that review hit the nail on the head by comparing "Tar" to "Black Swan," which I also hated (and found hysterically funny to boot).

These films should be listed in the dictionary as the definition of "over the top."

by Anonymousreply 377November 29, 2022 4:04 PM

Wait, is Tár really as silly and crazy as Black Swan? I may have to see this one. Black Swan is a comedic horror thriller and if you understand that it becomes a brilliant film. If you attempt to take it seriously as a drama, you are wasting your time. One of the funniest movies of this century.

by Anonymousreply 378November 29, 2022 5:26 PM

r371 I thought it was jarring for someone like Tar to describe herself as such.

by Anonymousreply 379November 29, 2022 6:35 PM

Cate has peaked too soon and word is spreading about how reactionary and pro-privilege the film is.

Yeoh’s year.

by Anonymousreply 380November 29, 2022 8:02 PM

Cate was interviewed for the NYT saying she doesn't like to deconstruct her roles for the press but still made a few comments.

"Blanchett doesn’t watch her own work if she can avoid it. She dislikes talking about whether a role incorporates any part of herself. She is, she insists, the least entertaining subject, at least to herself. “I’m not interested in any way in a one-to-one direct comparison, or having a moment of personal catharsis in public,” she told me. “Like, ‘Oh the role meant this to me,’ or, ‘I channeled my own inner’ — no.” She looked briefly nauseated. “None of that stuff.

Blanchett plays Lydia Tár, a virtuosic conductor at the peak of her career and at the precipice of a downfall. It’s as intimate and sustained a character study as Blanchett has ever taken on: “Tár” is more than two and a half hours long, and she is onscreen for nearly every frame. The character is a kind of culmination of her interest in the mutability of the individual: Tár is a person with an obscured personal history, a consummate performer whose finely tuned sense of where power lies in any room makes her adept at shifting her own aspect to suit. One senses an instability at her center: Her core self — if there is such a thing — isn’t truly known to anyone, not even her. Frame by frame, “Tár” gives Blanchett as much change, as much weather to move through, as she has ever had.

Blanchett was fascinated by the character of Tár as a study of an artist whose pursuit of transcendence and power is both successful and ugly. “How much is permissible when you’re striving for excellence?” she asked. What can a person in Tár’s situation get away with? What should be accepted as the price of her talent? Dishonesty? Sexual indiscretion? Abuse of subordinates? Unpopular opinions? Blanchett was interested, too, in the threshold the character navigates: Tár “is about to go through a massive transition. She’s about to turn 50. She’s found a way to escape herself and to become larger than herself, and better, and bigger than herself in the making of music. But now it’s like that connection has been broken.”

by Anonymousreply 381November 29, 2022 8:11 PM

“Tár” is a thorny project even by Blanchett’s standards, one that wanders into conversations that tend to run hot: the whiteness and colonialism of classical music; the possibility of free consent between a mentor and a mentee, or teacher and student; whether an artist’s work can be separated from her conduct; whether one can be a great artist without being greatly destructive or extractive as well.

To prepare, which Blanchett did mostly on nights and weekends because she was shooting other projects during the day, she learned to play the piano, to speak German, to do her own stunt driving. She became versed in the history of orchestral music and the personal styles and biographies of the famous conductors of the past century. Most improbable, she learned to conduct an orchestra, a physical task for which most people train for years. (In terms of its complexity, conducting is comparable to dancing and doing calculus at the same time.) “She showed up on set, and she had memorized the entire script as if it were a play,” Field told me. “I’ve never heard of that. I’ve never spoken to anyone that’s ever heard of that. It’s like learning ‘Hamlet.’ It’s almost impossible to describe.”

The performance that results is assured, mercurial and physical. Something about the way Blanchett’s body occupies the frame feels familiar but hard to place, and then you recognize that posture with which the white male heads of institutions move through the spaces where they work: genial, totally at ease, dangerous. But there are cracks in the self-assurance, seen in the horror with which she reacts to the clicking of a pen, or the breath she needs to take before she touches the piano key. “Tár” can be a difficult viewing experience, especially for those resistant to extended consideration of the psychology and humanity of a person who is brilliant but also a predator. (News coverage and real life afford plenty of opportunities for that exercise.) But Blanchett infuses a recognizable character type with so much unpredictability and self-estrangement that the movie takes on the volatile feeling of a thriller. She is both the shadow and the person running from it."

by Anonymousreply 382November 29, 2022 8:13 PM

Blanchett is said to be funny, easy and warm on sets. Noémie Merlant, who plays Tár’s assistant, talked about how Blanchett would dance between takes and make the orchestra laugh, even though it was a grueling, nerve-racking shooting day for her most of all. There are similar stories about her clowning to rally spirits on the set of “Mrs. America.”

Still, her work ethic is legend. Nearly everyone ever interviewed about working with her mentions her preparedness, her focus, her rigor. “She is nonstop,” says Nina Hoss, who plays Tár’s wife, the concert master of the philharmonic. “Preparing. For everything. Thinking about the parts, making her choices there, really practicing, practicing, practicing, concerning the conducting and the piano pieces.”

by Anonymousreply 383November 29, 2022 8:16 PM

Tar is NOTHING like Black Swan. Jees, what an utterly brain dead comparison.

by Anonymousreply 384November 29, 2022 8:17 PM

"Lately, Blanchett told me, she had been feeling “a massive urge to be quiet.” She was concerned that anything she might say about herself or about “Tár” would muddle the audience reaction to the film, which felt like a transformative experience for her. “Something moved through us all collectively. And I don’t know what that is, and I don’t want to tell an audience what it is, but I know it’s something.” She promised me she wasn’t trying to obfuscate.

“I feel like it’s a genuine quest that I’m on, which I don’t fully understand myself. But there’s something that I connect with on a deep level with the character Lydia. Not that I’m at all like her.” The look of anxiety and near-nausea returned. “But she seems to be at the end of a cycle. She’s completing this lifelong quest or ambition to match the classical greats, to match Mahler, to leave a legacy. You know, to prove to those bullies in primary school that she is someone and that she can break through those ceilings and realize her full potential. And when you get to that point as an artist, as a human being, you have to risk exploding it all and leaving it behind.”

She described the artist as a person climbing a mountain peak in the hope of reaching something at the top — who then realizes, as she nears her goal, that all along she has been chasing a chimera. The real prize is on the next mountain, which may itself simply be illusory, “constructed by what you thought you wanted, or an external sense of what a peak was,” but which nevertheless now demands her energies. “I didn’t even know I was thinking about it, but it, just, all of this stuff came up, you know. It drew a lot of things together for me.” The movie was about many things, she hedged, but this was a strand of what had drawn her to it, some recognition of the path Tár was on. “Just that sense of continual sense of risk.”

by Anonymousreply 385November 29, 2022 8:20 PM

Miss McCauley also hates Datalounge fave "Notes on a Scandal," so I think DL can disregard his lofty opinions.

by Anonymousreply 386November 29, 2022 9:28 PM

R385? "She described the artist as a person climbing a mountain peak in the hope of reaching something at the top — who then realizes, as she nears her goal, that all along she has been chasing a chimera."

Doesn't that sound a little familiar to you?

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by Anonymousreply 387November 29, 2022 9:50 PM

R371 and R379, it was one of the cringe moments in the film. Landed with a thud.

by Anonymousreply 388November 30, 2022 4:08 AM

One of the best damning reviews on Letterboxd said that the movie felt like it was the director's Pinterest board.

by Anonymousreply 389November 30, 2022 4:13 AM

Also since she kept her own apartment Lydia is not the U-Haul type.

by Anonymousreply 390November 30, 2022 5:25 AM

R382 Whoever wrote that review sounds exactly like the tone-deaf Gen Z student that Lydia schools. Can't even deign to mention classical music without having to apologize for whiteness and colonialism (how in the world is classical music connected to colonialism anyway??)

by Anonymousreply 391November 30, 2022 7:42 AM

And interestingly enough, conservatives are loving that scene with the student and now consider Cate Blanchett and Todd Field personal heroes as being the only ones standing up to cancel culture in a mainstream Hollywood film.

by Anonymousreply 392November 30, 2022 7:44 AM

[quote]how in the world is classical music connected to colonialism anyway??

r391 The concert halls were build with the wealth that came from the exploitation of the colonies. Those attending the concerts were mostly the rich and the powerful and the privileged who benefitted the most from colonialism. I'm not even a fan of this line of thinking, but let's not fool ourselves, classical music has never been close to the ordinary working man, it's been a thing for the elites since the start and is in that way connected to colonialism more than just about any other art form.

by Anonymousreply 393November 30, 2022 8:43 AM

r393, you would be incorrect as regards Bach in particular, who wrote the majority of his music for the Lutheran church where he as employed. He worked several years for someone in the lesser nobility, but as the Germans in that century were not colonizing, his employer would not have been enriched by that sort of enterprise. In fact, most of the German composers that are revered in classical music circles predated any German colonizing impulses which revved into high gear in 1884. However, in the larger sense, you are correct that much of classical music as "entertainment" was written for employers and patrons who were from the noble class. In the middle of the 19th century, enough of a middle class had grown up to support the arts and to attend concerts, but prior to that, the common person's exposure to composed music would have been primarily in churches. I would argue that opera became a more democratic art form in the 19th century and even people who couldn't afford to attend would listen to the tunes and whistle them in the street. In fact, even at the time of Mozart in the late 18th century, some of his opera tunes quickly became widely sung ditties on street corners throughout the German-speaking parts of Europe.

The composers and performers of classical music almost invariably sprang from the middle class, or even lower middle class - often they were part of family dynasties of musicians. So just as some people were millers, shoemakers, brewers, or blacksmiths, following in their families' footsteps, so many musicians were born into families that supplied the music for the churches and for whatever local nobility could offer them steady work. Often, like Bach, they were educated enough to also offer lessons in other fields. Bach for instance, taught Latin as well as music.

We cannot really know what went on in the minds of composers long dead. We know that many of them despised the nobility and were bitter that they had to bow down to them. Bach was jailed for taking leave from one of his noble composers to go study with an organist in another town. Mozart was kicked to the curb by the footmen of the Archbishop who employed him. Beethoven refused to bow when the nobility drove by in their carriages, unlike all the common people around him. So my gut feeling is that they didn't share the world view of the nobility who regarded themselves as very special, and all non-nobles as lesser human beings.

by Anonymousreply 394November 30, 2022 9:35 AM

R393 is so dumb and ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 395November 30, 2022 10:11 AM

That interview fails to mention the giant elephant in the room: that they chose to make Tar an aggressive and sexually assaulting lesbian conductor, something that literally has never existed in classical music. The aggressive sexual predators in the business are straight men, and to a much lesser extent, gay men. There is precisely ONE existing lesbian conductor of major ensembles, Marin Alsop, and she is pretty much horrified by this movie. Why did Field choose to make her a lesbian, and why did Cate go along with it? It’s a huge problem that is only going to become more of a problem as she continues to campaign, though they’re doing all the tap dancing they can to avoid touching the subject.

by Anonymousreply 396November 30, 2022 12:18 PM

R396 Her being a straight woman sexually exploiting her male subordinates wouldn't be very realistic.

by Anonymousreply 397November 30, 2022 1:59 PM

And I explained why the current plot is not realistic at all R397.

by Anonymousreply 398November 30, 2022 2:35 PM

R397, that’s true, but that just raises more questions. Lydia appears to have been exploiting young women for years, but would any woman, gay or straight, have the kind of institutional protections that men can take for granted? And how realistic is it to have a lesbian be this kind of nonstop serial predator?

by Anonymousreply 399November 30, 2022 2:41 PM

Danielle Deadwyler is not getting an Oscar nomination. Till has not been a box office success and her performance is getting zero buzz.

by Anonymousreply 400November 30, 2022 2:42 PM

R383, Ever since very early 2022 reports came in of Austin Butler’s intensive preparations for "Elvis"---including Denzel Washington's cold-call to Baz Luhrmann recommending AB based on his impressive work ethic on "The Iceman Cometh"---every other actor now speaks of theirs (Cate, Ana, e.g.).

by Anonymousreply 401November 30, 2022 3:58 PM

"Deadwyler" is the kind of name that a movie studio in the 40s would've changed.

by Anonymousreply 402November 30, 2022 4:00 PM

What about a giant elephant in the room, r396?

by Anonymousreply 403November 30, 2022 4:03 PM

R399 Why would it be unrealistic to have a lesbian serial predator? I don't follow. She was a gay woman in power who seduced younger women and had sex with them in exchange for helping their careers.

by Anonymousreply 404November 30, 2022 6:50 PM

I have worked with a lot of lesbians and let me tell you, sexual predators among them abound just like they abound among men.

by Anonymousreply 405November 30, 2022 7:00 PM

"Why did Field choose to make her a lesbian, and why did Cate go along with it? It’s a huge problem that is only going to become more of a problem as she continues to campaign"

Ssoooo...that means there will never be a lesbian predator conductor so its heresy to portray such a character? That's specious reasoning at best. Lesbians and gays can be predators in ALL walks of life just like heterosexuals. They don't get a pass in art for the sake of optics and feelings. The human condition is way more complex than that.

by Anonymousreply 406November 30, 2022 7:08 PM

The lesbophobes and misogynists here are trying hard. Failing, but trying.

by Anonymousreply 407November 30, 2022 8:01 PM

I mustn't have been paying attention and didn't connect the new bag bit from the gal thanking Lydia for the interview to Lydia coming home and her wife commenting on her new bag.

by Anonymousreply 408November 30, 2022 9:44 PM

I think someone said early on (maybe the director of the film) that he used a lesbian person in power, because having a man as the focus changes the dynamic to one of sex, whereas he wanted to clearly show the dynamic to be the disparity in power. That still exists in male/female predation situations, but often when depicted, it quickly changes to "she was attracted to his masculine assertiveness and only later realized he was controlling and manipulating her". In this scenario, our minds don't necessarily go THERE instantly.

by Anonymousreply 409December 1, 2022 3:40 AM

There are female teachers who have sex with female students, so I don't see what's so unrealistic about a world famous conductor sleeping with women in the business.

by Anonymousreply 410December 1, 2022 5:41 PM

She will get a Oscar nomination but no way will she get an award. She's basically playing female Harvey Weinstein. No way Hollywood will reward her for that.

by Anonymousreply 411December 1, 2022 5:42 PM

I'm so slow. I thought Krista killed herself because she was in love with Lydia. Reading the messages she sent to Lydia's assistant, on a screenshot photo, it's because she couldn't get a job anywhere, because Tar badmouthed her to all the people in power.

by Anonymousreply 412December 1, 2022 5:47 PM

Lydia and her assistant talked about the summer the three of them (Lydia, assistant and Krista) spent together, I don't remember when. Did that mean that they were a throuple or that only Lydia and Krista were together and the assistant was always just the assistant?

by Anonymousreply 413December 1, 2022 7:58 PM

R412 - don't feel bad. I found all that backstory presented obliquely. For me the strongest representation of Lydia's power play was the Olga plot.

by Anonymousreply 414December 1, 2022 10:48 PM

I just happened to watch The Simpsons episode that Cate voiced - The Way of the Dog. There is something hard about her voice that is unattractive.

by Anonymousreply 415December 1, 2022 10:51 PM

This is an excellent book.

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by Anonymousreply 416December 2, 2022 4:06 AM

Tár and Blanchett will probably clean up in the critics’ awards.

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by Anonymousreply 417December 2, 2022 10:26 PM

Interesting interview with Todd Field, including his explanation as to why the full credit sequence is in the beginning of the film, not the end.

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by Anonymousreply 418December 3, 2022 5:44 PM

While this is not a film for everyone (anyone?), I absolutely adored it… Cate is literally onscreen for 99% of the 160 minute runtime and caresses each shot (I know, MARY!). A masterful performance, not even to mention the actual musicianship she exhibits throughout. Dicey subject matter and ultra high brow pretensions may preclude this from serious award consideration beyond her performance as a truly literate, adult film in every way.

by Anonymousreply 419December 4, 2022 3:12 AM

R418, maybe Todd put the credits at the beginning because he realized the audience might not last until the end of the movie.

by Anonymousreply 420December 4, 2022 5:09 AM

Exactly R420. The ego…

by Anonymousreply 421December 4, 2022 12:58 PM

I agree, R419. I can see how many might hate this movie but I found it very compelling and have thought about it often since I saw it a month or more ago. Cate’s performance was amazing.

by Anonymousreply 422December 4, 2022 2:49 PM

The Spectator's take . sorta paywalled but if you give them a junk email address you should be able to read it

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by Anonymousreply 423December 4, 2022 8:10 PM

R418 - this is the second film i have seen recently with the full credits at the front. I thought maybe this is a new trend. I just can't remember the name of the other film. Maybe The Power of the Dog?

by Anonymousreply 424December 4, 2022 8:21 PM

Who are all of these Hollywood's lackeys pushing Tar on us? We will still not see this.

by Anonymousreply 425December 4, 2022 8:26 PM

Smell YOU, R425.

by Anonymousreply 426December 4, 2022 11:41 PM
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