Queer For Fear- The History of Queer Horror

There's a more than a bit of misinformation about Psycho in that clip.

TRANNIES?

Queer can mean anything to millennial fools.

Tony Perkin's son doesn't look like his father. Maybe the glasses and beard are distracting.

Many people don’t look like their parents. Genetics are funny. PS males tend to favor their moms family side.

Yep i can see him in Berry Berenson's face.

Perkins in a Hitchcock movie is queer cinema? What about us?

Murnau, you homophobic spellcheck!

I guess the following will be included:

Windows

Cruising

Silence of the Lambs

Fatal Attraction (Glenn's character was in love with Anne Archer's if you read between the lines)

I’m busy shitting!

[quote] Murnau

How does Murnau's private life display itself on screen (other than hiring George O'Brien)

R10 Please!

Keep it in the bathroom!

[quote]Murnau, you homophobic spellcheck!

I kinda got a kick out of FW Murray.

R9, I was wondering myself what might be included, and did think Cruising, though I suppose you could argue: is it a horror? Or is it a thriller/police procedural?

Other films I imagine they might cover could be:

A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge

The Hunger

Dressed to Kill

What else?

They better cover Sleepaway Camp.

[quote] There's a more than a bit of misinformation about Psycho in that clip.

Some unknown person claims at 6.17 that Hitchcock had a ‘pattern in his career’ of choosing gays to play monsters. Some of those humans commenting seem quote monstrous themselves.

One of them says something inaudible at 2.59 about "lighting and themography"? There are two blips in the soundtrack at 2.15 and 8.40.

A number of things I wanted to add to R1 because I was too lazy to say anything else at the time.

At 1:30, someone talks about Marion Crane's moral ambiguity, and says that Hitchcock "begins the film with her in a black brassiere," which is untrue because in the motel room with John Gavin, she's clearly wearing a white brassiere and slip. Hitchcock there is playing on the cliche of good men wear white and bad men wear black.

So she's a "good" woman when she's with John Gavin, but becomes "bad" when she steals her boss's money and is in a different motel room and at that point wearing a black brassier.

However, when she decides to return the money, she removes her black clothing and takes a shower - appropriate in that it has let's say cleansing significance. In other words, she's a now good, redeemed woman (from a Catholic perspective - remember that Hitchcock is Catholic) who's going to be murdered, not a morally ambiguous woman.

Saying, as someone does at 1:45, that Marion is "a woman who's asking for trouble" is to demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of Marion.

The guy at 2:15 who thinks Marion is asking, "Why is this guy not trying to fuck me," is clearly projecting. If anything, I would think Marion is identifying with Norman to some extent. Remember there's a lot of bird imagery associated with Norman - and Marion's last name is, appropriately enough, [bold]Crane[/bold].

I don't agree with the point that Norman is either gay or queer. He's attracted to Marion, which is why he kills her. In fact at the end of the film, the police inspector says that Norman isn't a transvestite.

Fantastic read, thanks R17.

I've only seen Psycho once, but when they said that bit about the opening shot of her in a black bra, even I was like: "hang on, wasn't her first scene a different one?"

Oh I love Sleepaway Camp, R15, I'm sure they will include it. Fucking Judy!

"How come ANGELA gets to talk to the BOYS all day, and WE have to play VOLLEYball?"

[quote]What else?

Lucy's Mame.

Quelle horreur.

Each one of those talking heads looks like they 're could kill at the drop of a hat.

Still the most horrifying film I've ever seen; Pretty Woman.

How convenient they judge a film from 62 years ago.

I really think that Perkins being gay has nothing to do with Psycho and the idea that Hitchcock was using this supposed fact for the character of Norman Bates is revisionist theory.

[quote] is revisionist theory

Everything about the current fad generation for transvestites is revisionist theory.

[quote] Each one of those talking heads looks like they 're could kill at the drop of a hat.

All of them look like freaks, including that Perkins/Berenson spawn.

R9 : All horror movies have a supernatural element, otherwise it's just a thriller.

R26 This new generations of transgressive don't care about 'outdated' definitions or facts.

So does queer for fear mean the antagonist is queer?

This is produced/created by Bryan Fuller. It's kind of sad to see him reduced to this, as he has created some brilliant television, but after exiting a ton of different projects in a short period, this is to be expected. He seems to have never gotten over Hannibal's cancelation, and interacts with the most weirdest fans of the show in a bizarre and obnoxious way. Hannibal is one of my favorite shows, but I wish he'd move on!

I enjoy what you say, R17.

[quote] The guy at 2:15 who thinks Marion is asking, "Why is this guy not trying to fuck me," .

I think that person is Perkins' son.

You say that 'Marion is identifying with Norman to some extent'. Do you have any ideas what might have happened if Marion Crane didn't check into the Bates Motel?

How could this woman cope with cleansing herself of guilt for breaking the eighth of The Ten Commandments?

When Norman tells her how close she is to Fairvale she could have gotten back into her car to go to Sam to give him the money. Arbogast would still come after her, following Lila, where they would find the couple.

We thank you for letting us call you a buncha queers!

R31 Are you suggesting that Marian knows she is a sinner and therefore it is God's plan that she meets Norman?

Norman is God's avenging angel and he will cleanse her of her sin.

R31 - she doesn't decide to go back with the money until after sitting with Norman and having that conversation about how "we're all in our private traps."

It is then that Marion makes the decision to go back to her own private trap and face the consequences.

R33 - I don't think Norman is an avenging anything because at that point in the movie, Marion isn't guilty of anything anymore, as I said @ R17. You could say she's repented.

In fact it's suggested Norman killed other woman and hid them in the swamp as well, and there's no suggestion they're guilty of anything.

The guy just happens to be psychotic, even though he has the appearance of normality.

Norman in some ways is not unlike the Necktie Killer in Hitchcock's Frenzy, another ordinary appearing villain - in one instance walking with an unsuspecting woman to her apartment with the intention of raping & killing her.

Hitchcock doesn't show that particular murder but instead has the camera wind down the stairs, back out of the apartment building, and back onto a busy street.

In other words, the psychos are walking and living among us.

It's not a coincidence that the name "Norman" in Psycho is basically a mash-up of "normal man."

R34 I like that.

I like that Hitchcock told Truffaut that this small movie would be just like a 90 minute version of 50 minute TV show (instead of his recent wide-screen color glossy movies). He used his TV show photographer to film it. The second half of 'Psycho' is quite routine and a let-down after the brilliant first half (with its brilliant music and brilliant cross-cutting).

I'm amused that this supposed small movie is providing so much fodder 60 years after it was made.

r24 there's fujoshi "psycho" porn.. albeit, based more on the tv series, Bates Motel - they also push the incest in their art. They did the same with the Hannibal. You can still find the gay fanart and fanfic by women.

With Norman Bates, they believe crossdresser = sissy = faggot = transfag.

just look up fanart or slash with either of the series and get an inside peek of how women view homosexuality.

I fear a lot of this will cross-over from The Celluloid Closet(1996). Why couldn't they just cover material since then? and maybe there is not enough.

There is not enough to fit their twisted agenda.

Bit (2019) - A transgender teenage girl on summer vacation in Los Angeles fights to survive after she falls in with four queer feminist vampires, who try to rid the city's streets of predatory men.

Yeah, I'm wondering what new they will really be adding to this documentary. I will watch it, but beyond the standard arguments of older movies making gayness sometimes synonymous with horror, which has been explored a lot in the past, I'm not sure what they will do.

r40 they'll sau all the old homophobic theories that gay men just want to kill and fuck their dead mothers is through a FEMINIST LENS

I watched it this weekend.

It was OK. Once I got over my petty rage that every "expert" of every age and gender accepted to use the word QUEER exclusively. I don't remember hearing gay or lesbian very much, if at all.

Also they over-attributed a lot as "being about being queer".