Drop the T

I suspect most normal, well-adjusted people won't.

R1 'normal well adjusted people'? I'd have said only idiots don't agree with it.

Who is Bill Whittle?

r3 a conservative political commentator that radical feminists will now worship at the enlarged clit of.

Does the phrase "radical feminists" now just mean "women I disagree with"?

Who?

How is this website so obsessed with this subject? For every thread on Republican insanity and Trumpian chicanery, there are like 5 hating on trans people. How can a gay website lose the plot so badly?

The anti-trans trolls we have on here frequently claim to be radfem and liberal, yet they're also either MRAs or support MRAs making sexist comments in their threads, and you never see them on threads about unionization, healthcare, or other leftist causes UNLESS they're saying protesters should be shot or some nasty far-right thing like that.

But because they claim to be radfem, a lot of people on DL think they really are. Some may even actually be radfem. Maybe the anti-trans ladies who post things about how all men are evil really are radfem, maybe they're just trolling, who knows.

r5 No. I mean radical feminists. Certainly, you know what those are. If not I could redirect you to some resources. . . but I don't want to flood this thread with links, so perhaps you could look up the term yourself. Do go down the rabbit hole, go deep, and hard.

r6 PJ Media.

We can assume that Bill Whittle was "Clayton" then?

"Drop the T" showed up in the manifesto written by the guy who committed the Buffalo massacre so I think it's great that you assholes are allying yourselves with that phrase. It really shows the kind of people you are.

Bill Whittle is a far-right commentator with crazy eyes who loves to push NRA propaganda. You won't know who he is unless you're really into online politics or are a rightwing fuck-knuckle yourself.

Is he also the guy who thinks the moon landing was faked or is that another fuck-knuckle?

Transgenderism is interesting. It treats women, gays and kids poorly but claims to be forward thinking and liberal.

Those contradictions are why people focus on it.

r8 the most awful thing in the world is discuss men's issues. it's sexist. like prostate cancer funding is sexist because women have a skene gland, where's the funding for that?

R7 I suspect there are only two or three anti-trans trolls who create about 20 threads a day. They are dangerously obsessed individuals who should living in a locked psychiatric hospital but unfortunately they're our problem.

It helps that Davida and Matt are anti-transers. They sit online all day, every day, trolling constantly. We also unfortunately attract rightwingers for some reason, the first ones I remember were from Red State probably in about 2008 or so.

Not falling for the tranny agenda doesn’t make you right wing, silly trannies!

r7, This very website was one of the sources of the original "Drop the T" movement back in the 2000's.

Many of us are STILL HERE and haven't changed our minds one iota - far from.

And now, even though Drop the T is an essential Datalounge invention, because of wrongheaded censorship on this platform and all other gay platforms in the name of (denying our first instinct and) allowing the anti-gay T movement to remain, now "Drop the T" will be taken over by some rightwing nutjob.

Good work, Muriel & co.

It wasn't back in the 2000s. The oldest mention of it on DL is 2015.

I am being 100% serious when I say you should all keep saying over and over again that Datalounge invented "Drop the T," after the huge egg you laid in 2015 when you tried to make it a thing, and after the Buffalo murderer put it in his manifesto. I genuinely think it would do the world a lot of good to know the kind of far-right propaganda hate-filled bullshit that starts on this corner of the web, and which is always going to get blamed on "the gays" even though I would bet only 20% of the people participating in it are even gay.

[quote]wrongheaded censorship on this platform

Google says there are 1400 threads on DL with the n-word in them, 250 with k*ke, 500 with "transtapo," about 1000 where gays are called pedos, and 5000 with f*ggot.

Tell me again about all the censorship on here, Santy Claus!

Arrogant, ignorant r18, here's a thread from March 5th, 2014 in which a commenter plainly refers to the "Drop the T" movement on Datalounge. Not my fault if Muriel has tried to scrub all the rest from memory, but I WAS THERE.

Also, r18, the Buffalo murderer described himself as an eco-fascist.

So I suppose, according to your spurious "logic" this automatically means we should all abandon any attempts to combat Climate Change, right?

You can't back away now, r18. You said it - so you'll have to stick by it now...

They haven't been scrubbed, it's that Google doesn't index Datalounge properly because of the way the site is coded. Even then, you can still find a fraction of what's been posted here, and even a fraction is still a TON of threads. Just do a search for [italic] trannies site:datalounge.com [/italic] (or "transtapo" or any stupid anti-trans keyword you can think of) and you'll find thousands of anti-trans threads on here.

Again, and I say this completely seriously, I very much want Datalounge to be known as the birthplace of "Drop the T," just like you do. I want everyone to know that people like you have set up house here and that Mediapolis has allowed you to post propaganda for years, with only an occasional ban or redtag doled out to people like you.

Everyone in the actual, REAL gay community hates what the TRas have done to LGB, r22, and none of your pathetic attempts at faux shaming will ever change that.

We felt that way then and we feel that way now. Deal with it.

Why does dogshit like the OP and his ilk have to exist?

Why can't they just let people live and coexist peacefully?

This is just like people in the southern US hating blacks in the 1950s.

Why don't you just let the gay community exist in peace, TRA r24? Rather than invading a gay website to complain that your interests are not our interests and attempt to make our website your website?

What's wrong with having your own website? Why do you need to take the spaces of the gays - and of women - for yourselves, like Kudzu on trees?

Gay men are SAME SEX ATTRACTED.

Lesbians are SAME SEX ATTRACTED.

According to the TRA's both of those things are bigoted transphobia. Lesbians are supposed to suck the girl dick and be grateful for it. Well TRA's can fuck off with that homophobia, just like they can fuck off with the misogyny and the medical experiments conducted on children. Trans women are men.

And now health pamphlets are advising Lesbians that their "girlfriends" occasionally "may have a penis"....

"Why don't you just let the gay community exist in peace, TRA [R24]? Rather than invading a gay website to complain that your interests are not our interests and attempt to make our website your website?"

1). I'm a 50-something, white male.

2). Of what are you so afraid?

3). Why do you feel certain groups must be separated or alienated?

4). What does this have to do with your life?

Are you a gay man, or a lesbian who was born with two x chromosomes, r28?

Why don't you just answer the questions, R29?

So you are neither a Gay man nor a Lesbian born with two x chromosomes, r30.

As I suspected.

He's just trying to get you to say you're trans, r30. These morons think anyone who disagrees with them on here are secret trans who have invaded DL.

He doesn't need to say it, r32. It's obvious.

What's obvious is that you're so unappealing that you can't get anyone to talk to you unless you log on to Datalounge at 5:00 a.m. on a weekend morning and say hateful, crazy things and make personal attacks.

It's not 5:00 am my time, but you're so solipsistic you likely have never looked at a world map. Good thing too. The rest of the world, barring Mad Woke Scotland, doesn't want you.

And I'm not even certain about Scotland.

R28. We separate females from men because of male violence. Trans women commit that violence at the same rate as men. Not surprising because they are men.

We don't think that all men are violent. We know that they're not. We have fathers/brothers/sons etc. We know that there are very good men who won't attack us. But it's a significant enough percentage for us to separate the sexes. All the good men are happy with that. They want women to be safe too. They have mothers/sisters/daughters.

Homosexuality is based on same sex attraction. Lesbians don't want men in their dating pool. That's a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

We don't accept trans ideology because it isn't a case of 'live and let live'. It's a case of a small number of people demanding access to other peoples rights. That isn't a civil movement. That's an attack on Human Rights. Trans people have exactly the same human rights as the rest of us but that isn't enough for them. They want other groups to lose their Human Rights so that they can be 'validated'. I'm not going to lose my human rights because a man in a dress demands I do.

Perhaps you should actually look at the issue instead of wilfully ignoring the problems.

I couldn’t care less which website started it, if any; I just know that it’s right. DROP THE T AND PROTECT THE LGB.

R23 Even trans people look on in horror. ACTUAL trans people are horrified by the TRAs and what they represent.

[quote]It's not 5:00 am my time

Yes, I see that now, you're one of the crazy British Meghan Markle hater trolls.

I've been trying to tell people that there's a large overlap between the anti-trans trolls and the Meghan Markle haters, and you're a perfect example.

You also post a lot about "black crime" in NYC where I'm sure you always accidentally forget to tell people that you're not even American, let alone from NYC.

Great post, r36. Watch the trans loon not respond to anything you say (which is absolutely common sense and true) but divert divert divert.

"[R28]. We separate females from men because of male violence. Trans women commit that violence at the same rate as men. Not surprising because they are men. We don't think that all men are violent. But it's a significant enough percentage for us to separate the sexes. All the good men are happy with that.

We don't accept trans ideology because it isn't a case of 'live and let live'. It's a case of a small number of people demanding access to other peoples rights. That isn't a civil movement. That's an attack on Human Rights. They want other groups to lose their Human Rights so that they can be 'validated'. I'm not going to lose my human rights because a man in a dress demands I do."

So you want to separate a group of people for fear of what they MIGHT do, even though you have ZERO solid proof that every single Trans person is a "certain way".

Just like some people in the US thought ALL black people were a "certain way" and didn't want them around, you want to segregate people based on your perception and fear.

Horseshoe theory. The far left aka the Trans agenda and the far right actually have the same agenda: break up the LGB community.

Also, isn't it funny how R40 responds to his own posts...

Every time one of the trolls on here gets called out, they disappear and a new one arrives. It's a 500-yard relay for trolls.

^^^ This...

This needs to be the first post on EVERY one of these insane threads full of hatred and ignorance based on ONE piece of shit's fucked-up thoughts.

I'm R1 - R24 - R28 - and - R41.

R41. Seperate them from what? Women? Yes. I want men separated from women in women's spaces. And no, not every transperson is 'bad' but we can't tell which ones are and which ones aren't. So we don't want to open the door to any of them.

Why should we? They're not women. They're men. They're nothing to do with us.

Why are they so desperate to invade women's spaces? Why can't they campaign for a third space? Or to make men's spaces safer for them?

But please explain to me why you think Jonathan/Jessica Yaniv should have been allowed into women's bathrooms? He took photo's inside of young girls. He asked if 'when seeing a young girl half naked in the public restroom, would it be okay for him to offer to help them insert their tampon'? Presumably you're jumping up and down for his right to do that.

Is that dumbass trying to equate being born black to being brainwashed into being trans? Trans are not born, Gays & Lesbians are converted.

"So we don't want to open the door to any of them."

It's Alabama, circa 1950, all over again...

Remind me why I got killed...?

This is clearly a grift. There is no official, legal position on whether trans-persons are associated with gay men and lesbians. All this guy is doing is raising money to line his pockets.

You anti-trans lunatics are exactly the same as the Trump cultists.

"Build that wall!"

"Lock her up!"

"Drop the T!"

Trans is Gay Erasure!

R48. No it isn't like Alabama in the 1950's. But typical TRA trying any desperate argument you can because you're not able to answer the questions concerning women's safety. Or gay rights.

So you want to exclude ALL Trans people because you feel SOME of them are a danger.

Just like people wanted to exclude ALL blacks because they thought SOME of them were a danger.

How is this different?

Datalounge has a good half dozen very dedicated right wing trolls.

They're old. They're alone. They have nothing but time to spend here and trolling is pretty much all they have to live for.

Remember that line from Dolores Claiborne? "Sometimes, being a bitch, is all a woman has to hang onto."

Without their bitter hatred these people would wither away and die.

I'm excluding trans women (men) from women only spaces. I've got no problem with trans men (women) from using women only spaces. So it's not all trans people, just the ones born male. Here's an idea - why don't you organise a space for all the trans women to go? Make it special for them. Help them feel validated.

But don't be surprised when they get angry and start demanding access to actual women, especially the vulnerable ones. Because they will.

It's not right wing to stand up for women's sex based rights and for gays to have the right to be same sex attracted. It's not right wing to object to the chemical castration of boys who are not old enough to make such a life changing decision. It's not right wing to object to a dangerous ideology that harms other people.

But that's the only argument you've all got, isn't it? I've got some news for you. You've drunk the kool aid and you're in a cult. You should rethink what you're doing with your life because supporting and promoting child abuse isn't a good thing.

[quote][R23] Even trans people look on in horror. ACTUAL trans people are horrified by the TRAs and what they represent.

Right! I came across a silly post online today of one of the Perpetually Aggrieved saying: "genital preferences are transphobic" and much of the pushback on this was from real trans people. One trans woman pointed out this was basically incel behaviour. What hurt my heart was reading some of them begging the silly OP to please stop because that kind of thing is hurting them (ie people who are fed up of hearing stuff like this may not be distinguishing between the real trans people who are just living their lives, and the aggressive people who are stirring up trouble). All that to say that I've read stuff just today that supports exactly what you're saying.

[quote]r54 why don't you organise a space for all the trans women to go? Make it special for them. Help them feel validated.

You mean, separate but equal?

Drop the T is not a right wing position, r53

I know you want it to be.

I know you desperately need it to be.

But it's not.

One of the most extreme right wing governments in the world, the Ayatollahs in Iran, are VERY pro-Trans.

Why? Because the Ayatollahs are so virulently anti-gay that they are trying to destroy the presence of gayness in their country. Their weapon? To give the gay person a choice between hanging and transing.

Pardon if this link has been posted before; it links to Whittle’s site with the relevant vid

It’s okay to be against transgenderism and Republicanism.

^It’s okay to be against both of those AND the enabling Democrats who support transgenderism, as well as the extraordinarily rich proponents of transgenderism who pushed it forward to begin with.

Requires skillful voting^.

[quote]So you want to separate a group of people for fear of what they MIGHT do, even though you have ZERO solid proof that every single Trans person is a "certain way".

Not everyone is a criminal but banks still keep money in vaults, people lock their houses and apartments, and it is considered risky to leave the keys in the ignition of one's car.

Keeping men out of women's spaces is common sense. Attempting to obfuscate the point means you're more than likely a predator yourself.

r10, no, Bill Whittle is not "Clayton."

I am. I created the petition in 2015, and, more than ever, I still believe that it was a mistake to add the T to LGB. We have completely different issues and concerns, and our goals are often at odds with each other. Since I created that petition, I have witnessed support for gay rights fall as formerly gay organizations have thoroughly embraced the more extreme positions of the trans ideology. Over the years, I have heard from countless other gay men, lesbians, and, yes, trans people who reject the ideology and see it as genuinely harmful -- it attempts to eliminate reality, dismantle women's rights, rewrite gay/lesbian history and colonize gay/lesbian culture, and, most shockingly, supports the physical, emotional, and sexual abuse of children, the vast majority of them gay/lesbian youth.

I still stand by that petition. It's a hill I will die on.

Thank you for the petition, r63, and thank you for all your efforts since. I stand with you. Excellent work.

R7 Are you new here? We have been onto the tranny lies and insanity from the start.

I’m in favor of dropping it all.

r41, if that's the case, why do trans not use the (correct) men's bathrooms and changing rooms? aren't they discriminating against (other) men based in what they claim might happen? Why do failed males have to be protected and shielded by females?

R36 ended the conversation. Everything that poster said is irrefutably correct.

I wish we COULD go back to when supporting trans was a "live and let live" notion. I remember well when it was. I don't remember anyone who had a problem whatsoever with a trans person living their life with all the rights/respect/etc as anyone else.

I think this era of goodwill changed when the "transwomen are women" catchphrase caught on that. I knew we were in trouble at that point.

Because that simply isn't a true statement. Transwomen are transwomen. And that's cool. And should be respected. But they are NOT women. The old school trans fully knew that. Because it's true. Painfully, obviously, overwhelmingly true. We used to like truth.

But being merely a transwomen wasn't enough for TRAs, even if it was accurate.

And, in hindsight, all the problems that we know have with the trans movement, to me, 100% started with that phrase. Once we MUST accept that a transwoman is a woman? Then of course they can play bio sports. Or be in women's spaces. If you don' agree with this, you're a bigot.

What a mistake we made.

R68 it’s almost like they’re waging psychological warfare: submit to the idea that a trans woman is identical to a woman (in spite of the fact we all know it’s objectively untrue) or be attacked, decried and ‘cancelled’ for lack of a better term. I just don’t understand how it’s got this far.

I get the feeling the troll is engaging in a conversation with himself...

"So you want to exclude ALL Trans people because you feel SOME of them are a danger.

Just like people wanted to exclude ALL blacks because they thought SOME of them were a danger.

How is this different?"

When is this question going to be answered by the OP...???

When are you quote properly? ^ Who can read that slop?