First death. Spain.

That’s sad, I guess.

Second death reported today (first one was in Brazil) and the health ministry there provided more information:

[quote]The Brazilian victim was a 41-year-old man who, according to the health ministry, also suffered from lymphoma and a weakened immune system.

"The comorbidities aggravated his condition," the ministry said, adding the patient was hospitalized in the southeastern city of Belo Horizonte and died from septic shock after being taken to the intensive care unit.

I just saw a video from a scientist that said MonkeyPox has a 5%-10% death rate and they are trying to play it down.

But we shall see.

OP is worse than Franco.

Mi Caudillo

That was posted by me too - both times they were rejected or so I thought. Didnt know why.

Gross picture but still won't put whores off screwing around.

Sitges?

How sexy.

Doesn’t it look eerily similar to karposi ?

R9- Yes, it really does.

A good plot twist for the inevitable Almodovar film starring Penelope Cruz as the owner of the gay sauna where the first 2022 cases popped up (pardon my pun).

Triggered!

R3, he’s right. In the Central Africa, where the disease is endemic, it has up to a 11% fatality rate.

R13 yes. She (it was a woman) said the media claims around 1% of people who get it die but it’s more like 10%.

The minimum would be 5%, but not 1% like they’re claiming.

Also, it is a disease that lives in animals in certain parts of Africa and most likely got transmitted to a human by eating that animal.

R14- China wet market?

[quote]most likely got transmitted to a human by eating that animal.

No idea why you savages won't listen to reason.

She also said like the USA, it’s almost only gay men who have it throughout Europe, and their cases are rapidly climbing daily. Someone (or some people) brought it from Europe to the states and the rest is History.

She spoke to people who’ve had it and they all say the same thing, it’s the most painful thing they’ve ever felt. It isn’t just itchy or burning like some media outlets claimed, it’s full on agony, and it almost always covers your face, hands and feet, so you can’t do much because it hurts so much. It can also leave permanent scarring all over your face, but doesn’t always happen.

It gets much worse:

R18☝️- Rectal pain and penis swelling.

R9, Karposi sores were larger and not uniformed in size.

A horrible memory. May those we lost RIP.

Fuck. I remember it like it was yesterday, & it makes me get teary eyed.

We lost so many AMAZING people to AIDS.

Get vaxxed, girls!

R20- It was heartbreaking. I was just starting my nursing career and I remember how very grateful I was to Princess Diana for touching AIDS patients without wearing a glove. Those poor men needed to be comforted but everyone was too terrified of getting infected by them. No matter what flaws she had I will always respect her for doing that.

R16 It ain't from eating exactly. It's the large scaled livestock rearing that allows animal virus a lot of opportunity to infect a lot of hosts, mutate and jump into other species including humans who come into close contact. If it were so easy to jump over from animal to human in a "wet market", the virus would have jumped over to become a human virus a long time ago. There's certain barriers to go from one species to another that requires some genetic changes over time and readily available hosts. For every virus that successfully cross over to human, there would also be others that failed.

Same here, R21.

I will always love Diana for lifting the veil.

R23- ♥️

Aww, R24. Thank you. ❤️

R25- 😘

Anti vaxxer conspiracy theory is that the vaccine triggered aids symptoms.

Stop spreading the bullshit, R27.

You know what’s up & what you are doing.

Grow a heart.

It truly isn’t OK to fuck people over this way.

It’s not.

Be a better person. Don’t let yourself fall into the pit of deception & despair.

Please. Try to understand that what you are doing is genuinely hurting others.

Bump

R27, they are fucking morons. Of the very worst kind.

They are saying the lesions come back again after a few days

can I ask a (likely stupid) question without getting yelled at?

As this is currently in the gay community, does PREP have any effect on it? Conversely, does HIV (on antiretrovirals?)

Are anal lesions reserved for those who contract the virus from sexual activity? Or will my celibate self also be clutching my buttocks and writhing in pain if I get it?

Interesting article.

NYC now emergency

R32, I doubt HIV meds will have any effect -- the viruses are too different from each other.

This will spread just the way AIDS did. It is dangerous to the public for them to label this as only a risk for the gay community is disingenuous and dangerous in my opinion. Everyone should be cautious and take precautions but heterosexuals will think they have nothing to worry about when they really do.

thank you r36

Uh oh…..

Seems like something you can actually pick up from a toilet seat or a tractor.

How do you KNOW R30?

R28 also seems to be very sure.

I thought Kaposi's (not Karposi) lesions were flat and (generally) not painful. These pox look like black holes.

R40 No, the virus is very unlikely to be transmitted through surfaces, gym equipment, light switches, door knobs, public transport, etc.

To get it, you need to have prolonged, close/intimate contact with an infected person. Think of kissing, sex, sleeping together, et cetera.

Genuine question. How many deaths will it take before gay guys decide to take some responsibility for their actions. We've known for some time how dangerous this disease is and how it is spread but over the past few weeks we've had reams of stories from promiscuous guys catching it at after sauna sessions, group sessions etc. This is not going away. Most people respected social distancing and lockdowns during Covid, why not take responsibility for one's own health now?

[quote]Most people respected social distancing and lockdowns during Covid

Mostly because most places were shut down and people were locked in their homes.

And all the scaremongering was full on, all day long.

Also younger people were getting covid like crazy and recovering. I had covid twice. It was nothing like monkeypox seems to be.

"It was nothing like monkeypox seems to be."

And yet here we are with guys totally putting themselves and others at risk.

It winds me up when people cry sex-negativity and slut-shaming when the risks of high numbers of sexual partners are pointed out. (That goes for straight people, too - I've been on forums where women get offended at the suggestion that they should get an STI test after unprotected casual sex.). Biology isn't woke. It doesn't give a what humans think. A virus won't think, "I won't infect this person, it's not my place to judge, I wouldn't want to be accused of slut-shaming..."

It's called monkey pox because that's the animal that we first noticed it in. It's part of the orthopoxvirus family of diseases and they're all named after the animal we first noticed it in but it isn't necessarily its most frequent host. For example, cowpox is most rapidly spread in cats, whose fleas then infect other animals in the barns they live in, such as cows, but cows aren't the optimal host for cow pox. Monkey pox can infect a wide range of mammalian species including many rodents and may have been transmitted to humans from bites, scratches or even fleas - not necessarily from eating them.

Brazil too

Isn't that the same case?

No, r51:

"Brazil on Friday reported the first monkeypox-related death outside the African continent in the current outbreak, shortly before Spain confirmed Europe's first known death in the outbreak later in the day."

The media seems to be hyping it up, whereas I'm thinking the fact it's taken so long for the first death shows the illness is pretty mild for the majority of people.

R53, a lot of the cases don’t seem “mild”, though, they seem to involve a lot of pain. That’s awful by itself.

R54- I wonder if there are long term effects such as we have with covid, other than scarring?

R53, or virus is mutating?

R53 mild? Every person describes it as pure excruciating pain. That’s not mild.

[quote][R54]- I wonder if there are long term effects such as we have with covid, other than scarring?

forget Covid. Covid is a day at the beach in comparison to this.

Second death Spain

MARIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

☝🏼 This is the perfect time to go abstinent.

Sexual spread was a confirmed method of transmission a while ago:

Or just know who you’re having sex with r62

Some of the comments I’ve read ring true. Too many gay men are acting like it’s impossible to not sleep around with strangers…. At least for a while until this is over. If gay men stopped sleeping around it would stop spreading. But they act like they can’t. You aren’t an animal.

r64 Some of them, legit, have a sexual compulsion problem and/or addiction. It's usually tied to poor mental health and self-image.

God forbid you tell someone with this problem to consider seeking help, though.

[quote]It winds me up when people cry sex-negativity and slut-shaming when the risks of high numbers of sexual partners are pointed out.

Take right here at DL, for example then. Every time anything remotely connected with gay men having a lot of sex appears and the trolls just come out of the woodwork to screech about it, which is exactly why healthcare professionals (at least those without an agenda) refuse to slut shame. It's easy to stand on a puritanical platform and tell others that [italic]their[/italic] behavior brought this on themselves. It's true, it did.

But blaming them for it — as though they were fully informed that there was a novel virus going around — only shoves them (back) into the closet. It further makes the men who should be aware of this risk get defensive and hide to avoid ridicule.. And yes, as of today, we know how this virus spreads. But two months ago, or even just a couple of weeks ago, it wasn't so clear and aside from the usual shaming and blaming there was no effort to reach out to the gay community to inform them — us — of the added risk. Combined with an incubation period of somewhere between 12 days and 3 weeks, and you have a recipe for an outbreak that could rise to the level of a pandemic, particularly given our ability to move around with ease and the pent-up demand for what we consider a normal lifestyle including travel and entertainment.

Let's cut each other some slack and stop judging the men who have contracted this awful virus. Calling them sluts and blaming them for this virus spreading outside Africa isn't going to stop the spread nor lessen the impact. Telling gay men to curtail their sexual encounters, get immunized if they're in a high risk group, and treating each other with a little compassion is going to go a long way to solve the problem.

Besides, we get enough shit from the rightwing radicals who are just looking for another way to demonize anyone other than straight white christian men.

[quote]But blaming them for it — as though they were fully informed that there was a novel virus going around — only shoves them (back) into the closet

It's not exactly a "novel" idea that being promiscuous raises ones risk of contracting and spreading disease.

Promiscuity has always been a problem. If anything, MPX is just exploiting ongoing human stupidity and recklessness.

You don't understand my use of the word "novel", R67.

Sorry, but this isn't 40+ years ago. Information is spread in the time it takes to blink your eye and you have access to it just as quickly. Whereas gay men back then simply did not know, nor did we have the research to understand AIDS, the monkeypox thing seems pretty cut and dry. If you have sex with people you don't know, there's a good chance you're going to get this. Very simple to understand, and we are far more educated and savvy. So to say- oh, you're slut shaming... nope. If you're going to be obstinate and fuck indiscriminately right now knowing all you know, my sympathy is out the window.

One of the first problems with AIDS was they were unable to test people to see if they had it. Once they could test, it was a very big headline. In NYC, at least.

I wonder how long you carry it before the symptoms start showing. Can you test for it?

Surely in this day and age there are powerful drugs that help you deal with MOST of the pain.

R70, right now they can only test for it if you have lesions. It can take up to several weeks before the first symptoms appear, and the first symptoms are often not lesions but a nebulous, flu-like tiredness, swollen lymph nodes, etc. During the time of those early symptoms it is possible to transmit the infection.

Is it "shaming" to tell someone you care about to be careful?

Is it "shaming" if you tell your mother that you're worried about her heavy smoking? Or if you tell your best friend that you're concerned that his drinking is getting out of control?

To me, that's a sign of love and care. We should love and care for one another enough to have the difficult conversations, and be honest when behavior is putting us at risk. There's no shame -- viruses don't distinguish between good and bad people. Let's try to look out for one another.

R71 keep downplaying this. You need help.

r71 needs to look at some of the graphic pictures now emerging of the pox: I saw one on anus - holy shit - and I saw a series taken over 7 days of what the pox did to one infected dick - and I'm not just talking about the gaping holes all over. The swelling deformed it over the course of the infection, turning it - hopefully temporarily - into a huge red stumpy mushroom covered in holes. Not going to post them here because they're that bad.

I can't believe anyone would take the risk to whore around during this thing. It's fucking terrifying.

You can cure a number of medical conditions, you can't cure stupid.

So you're all turning on the promiscuous ones. Not everyone who's got this is promiscuous. Same with AIDS. But I guess we need a scapegoat.

R77 Yep exactly. You only need to have sex/very close contact with an infected person once to get it. And there'll no doubt be cases where someone gets it off their partner who's played away. So even those who are 'angelic' and having sex with the same person regularly could get it. Yet they'll be shamed, too, if this thread is anything to go by.

R77 and R78= orgy whores

Amateurs. The only way to truly stay safe is to keep a private harem. That way you can swap all the fluids with your whores and they’ll stay clean. All great men throughout history have gone this route.