Titanic (1997)

The way Cameron portrayed the ship sinking and its final moments was awe some.

We’ve had about 10 Titanic threads over the last 2-3 months. Some created by YOU. Why not just bump one of those?

[quote]The way Cameron portrayed the ship sinking and its final moments was awe some.

Yes, and he made everyone wait two fucking hours before that happened, i.e., the only good part of an otherwise very silly movie.

[quote]The way Cameron portrayed the ship sinking and its final moments was awe some

Yes, but the script was shit. If only Cameron had let someone else write the script, it might have been a great movie. But he didn't.

R2 No, I did not.

It was long, but I liked it. It felt real. The costumes, the scenery, the special effects, the score were spot on. I really didn't pay much attention to the story

[quote]I really didn't pay much attention to the story

Right, because in a movie about the Titanic, the story is, of course, the least important part of it.

Also, some of the special effects are great, but some of them are pretty bad. I remember there's one aerial shot of the ship sailing through the ocean, and the people walking along the decks are very fake-looking computer-generated figures.

Best watched on mute

OP created craptastic troll threads recently, including:

Jealousy, Loneliness, and Being a Third Wheel

Bad Overnight Guest

and the truly retarded: The Coterie of Aristocracy

OP It sucks. I'll take the original Poseidon adventure anytime.

San Francisco Chronicle- The last hour of Titanic is huge and staggering but there's no horror in it no gravity either.

San Francisco Examiner- No amount of excellent period costuming and brilliant set direction can substitute for a good story and decent acting.

Washington Post- This movie should have blown us out of the water instead we catch ourselves occasionally thinking the unpardonable thought: OK sink already

@r7, Exactly! The story was the sinking of the Titanic which the movie handled well. The Jack and Rose and the old lady were more or less background filler to the main story which I didn't pay all the much attention to

- r6

At three hours and 14 minutes long, the film takes longer to watch than the Titanic took to sink!

Why were Kate Winslet and Gloria Stewart nominated for acting Oscars?

I think the real life characters- Molly Brown (Bates), Capitan Smith (Hill), J. Bruce Ismay (Hyde), John Astor (Braeden), etc. are more interesting than the Jack-Rose love story.

R13 I think watching ice melt would be more interesting than the R&J story

^ I agree, I thought Bates was excellent as Molly Brown

R15 So was Jonathan Hyde as Ismay. There is a deleted scene on the Carpathia and everyone looks at him with disgust.

One of my favorite movies.

I appear to be in the minority here.

It’s coming out in 2023 in 4K and I’ll be second on line to get it.

R1 curious - how do you know who the posters are on DL? Muriel??

r17

[quote]It’s coming out in 2023 in 4K and I’ll be second on line to get it.

Why second?

I just assumed OP would be first.

2 is not a queue R20 does anyone care about this movie anymore? Besides you can buy it on Amazon

It is always on tv and referenced in pop culture still r21. It also climbs back into Netflix Top 10 every few months

I think this is the only movie where Leo looks cute. Especially in the tux.

It needed MORE FABULOUS jewels.

R22 is that why Netflix is losing millions, plans to offer a new cheaper service and why I'm ready to dump my Netflix stocks?

R25 yes, Titanic is why.

Get help.

What happened to Frances Fisher?

The old bitch throws a priceless piece of jewelry into the ocean instead of passing it on to her family, who probably could have sold it and set themselves up for life. This was decades after she selfishly wouldn't move her fat ass over a few inches on the floating piece of debris so Jack could cling onto it as well. They tried like one time and then she's all "Just wait there in the frigid water, Jack, while I hog this entire floating object." Fucking bitch.

Boring and childish film.

Waiting for the iceberg⌚⌚⌚

OP aren't all those giddy 15-year-old schoolgirls who loved this movie 25 years ago now heading toward their 40s. Who's gonna buy it?

I think the script for S.O.S. TITANIC, combined with Cameron’s state of the art FX, would be a superior film. The former film was held back by its cheesy FX (it was a TV movie in America), but the writing and acting was far superior to the latter movie.

I’ve seen the SOS film. I agree with r32 about the script and the special effects. Many of the interior scenes were shot in a hotel which looked nothing like the ship. As bad as Cameron’s script was, he more than compensated for its deficiencies; the sets, special effects and the great performances by Kate Winslet and Kathy Bates were beyond reproach. Billy Zane was terrible.

[quote]As bad as Cameron’s script was, he more than compensated for its deficiencies; the sets, special effects and the great performances by Kate Winslet and Kathy Bates were beyond reproach. Billy Zane was terrible.

I don't agree. I think the script was SO bad that it sunk the movie, pardon the tasteless pun. Kate Winslet is a great actress, but the character was ridiculous, and why hire a great British actress to play an American in a movie about an event that was a tremendous tragedy for both England and the U.S.?

Of course, I do agree with you about Billy Zane.

Last night I started watching Julian Fellowes' ITV miniseries from 2012, but I gave up because it was such a snooze.

Has anybody seen [italic]Titanic II[/italic] or Tubi's [italic]Titanic 666[/italic]? Both look so cheesy that I'm tempted.

aka Waiting for the Iceberg It took the RMS Titanic 2hrs 40mins to sink and the film is 3hrs and 14mins long. And would we have any interest in these characters if they weren't on a sinking ship?

WHET to Suzy Amis?

I prefer The Poseidon Adventure (1972)

You're better off going to see Titanique The Musical, which is super entertaining and hilarious. And it stars the super handsome Constantine Rousouli as Jack.

Silly movie. In real life Rose wouldn't have gone anywhere near 3rd class and wouldn't have said more than 3 words to Jack

Adding melodrama like having them be chased around the ship by a guy with a gun, is silly. Isn't being on a sinking ship dramatic enough?

It seemed to be so easy for Jack to break the class barriers whenever he wanted to see Rose and vice versa.

[quote]Adding melodrama like having them be chased around the ship by a guy with a gun, is silly.

Silly? I'd say idiotic, and an insult to the intelligence of everyone in the audience. Definitely the low point of a movie with one of the worst screenplays of all time.

Even the 70s miniseries, S.O.S Titanic, was better

R2 The OP is manic, repetitive and what the English describe as 'anoraks'.

But the OP has thankfully dropped one of his bad anorak habits; he hasn't described the movie and the performers as "great" or brought in a spurious mention of the embarrassingly-hammy corpse known as Donald Wolfit.

I found someone using that word.

[quote] great British actress

R34 Who on earth are you taking about?

It's no surprise that Cameron's screenplay wasn't nominated for Best Original Screenplay. The Academy knew the script was shit.

[quote] I think the script was SO bad that it sunk the movie

It wasn't as lame as the script in that cartoon called 'Avatar'.

[Quote] It is always on tv and referenced in pop culture still

one could say the same of The Brady Bunch

Watching SOS Titanic now and it's really good. Does an excellent job of showing the class distinctions on the ship. Cloris Leachman is hilarious as Molly Brown.

R37, Suzy Amis became Mrs James Cameron, had kids with him and stopped acting. She started a special school for the offspring of wealthy people who care about the environment. She went through a hardcore no makeup, no hair color phase but is looking a little more mainstream these days.

Released more than a decade before The Poseidon Adventure, The Last Voyage (1960) is a concise yet oh-so-effective disaster film about a cruise ship that runs into serious trouble on the high seas. And at 91 mins it's half the running time of Titanic! An actual ship was destroyed during production lending authenticity.

There's also the 1996 Titanic miniseries, starring 34-year-old ingenue Catherine Zeta-Jones. Plus Tim Curry, George C. Scott, and out actor Mike Doyle.

R52, thanks for reminding me of that one. I checked and it's available complete on YouTube. Will be watching it today. I've never seen it, but it HAS to be better than the James Cameron version.

Titanic Drinking Game: drink a shot every time Rose screams JAAAAACK! all shrill and obnoxious.

A Night to Remember is also good

A NIGHT TO REMEMBER is the best one I've seen. Only real negatives are one or two of the special effects shots (though most of the effects are great) and, also, I find the narrative before the ship hits the iceberg to be a bit rushed.

Saw it Christmas night the year it came out. My late husband fell asleep after thirty minutes but I woke him up for the sinking. I enjoyed it although I usually avoid long movies playing in a theater.

The CZJ Titanic miniseries was godawful and stank.

[quote]My late husband fell asleep after thirty minutes but I woke him up for the sinking.

So he was able to steal a 5-hour nap. I’m sure he appreciated that.

I'm watching it right now, R58. First part of it is pretty good, though a little soap-operaish and also a bit obvious. Mike Doyle sure was gorgeous back then, and it's great to see all those names in the cast -- Tim Curry, Eva Marie Saint, Marilu Henner, George C. Scott, et al. So far, it's STILL better than the Cameron version.

The 1996 miniseries has its share of problems although I think the central romance was more believable than the one between Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio.

"Rubbish. No woman would leave that handsome millionaire for a penniless effeminate boy".

[quote] An actual ship was destroyed during production lending authenticity.

Ile de France was on her way to the breakers yard anyway so they were permitted to do a fair amount of actual damage short of actually sinking her. George Sanders as her captain should have been given more to do and the crying child much less to do

As for Titanic I've never been able to make myself watch.. There is no way I'd have been able to sit there for hours in a theater and stomach the king of the world scene.

Whoever above said the real people involved were far more interesting than any fictionalization could be was correct,

btw there is yet another Titanic movie that hasn't been mention. The film starts around 4:20 and has English subtitles. In Joseph Goebbels' version a heroic German White Star officer tried to save the ship from the indifference to life of the Jewish financiers. Also the film's director was fired and hanged in a Gestapo prison. Cameron pretty much ripped this version off.

[quote] An epilogue states (in German): "The deaths of 1,500 people remain unatoned, an eternal condemnation of Britain's endless quest for profit."

^ That movie says there were only enough lifeboats to carry 10% of the passengers.

Who made these decisions?

Mr Ismay and the evil Jewish financiers?

The lifeboat is an interesting question. Titanic actually carried more lifeboats than required under the British Board of Trade regulations but the standards did not foresee ships this large and were not updated until afterward..

It wouldn't have made much difference if they had a lifeboat for everybody. The ship sank soon after they launched the last boat they did have.

Adding to r65, lifeboats at the time were envisioned to ferry passengers between the distressed ship and a rescue ship, not to have the passengers all into them floating in the ocean. The theory was load up the passengers, get them to the rescue ship, bring the empty boat back and load up some more.

No one expected the ship to go down as quickly as it did from an accident at sea.

Jonathan Hyde played J. Bruce Ismay. Hyde is one of my favorite actors. Ismay is an interesting read, too.

A member of the RSC, he appeared in some 1990's classics- Richie Rich, Jumanji, Titanic, Anaconda, and The Mummy. He is known to modern audiences as Eldritch Palmer in The Strain.

Jonathan Hyde should NOT be confused with Jonathan Pryce— who is one of England's GREAT actors.

R68 You can't say GREAT

R67, I love Hyde. He has a great voice, too.

I also liked Roger Rees (RIP) as Ismay in the 1996 miniseries

The Julian Fellowes miniseries was also bad.

Jonathan Hyde is almost a doppelgänger for Eric Porter (who was TV star and not to be confused with Eric Portman who starred in important English films).

Well, I just finished watching the 1996 TV version, courtesy of YouTube. Lots of great people in it, including Catherine Zeta-Jones, Peter Gallagher, Tim Curry, Roger Rees, George S. Scott, Eva Marie Saint, Marilu Henner, and Barry Pepper. Unfortunately, the script is pretty much as awful in its own way as the James Cameron version. BUT....Mike Doyle is truly gorgeous in it, almost breathtakingly so, plus his acting is excellent (even if the role is pretty ridiculous), and his Cockney accent sounds pretty much perfect to my ears. Worth checking out if you have the time.

It's interesting how similar the Leonardo DiCaprio character is to the character Mike Doyle plays in the miniseries (which came first).

R73 I hated the rape scene. So lurid.

DiCokeHead was so fucked up through the production that he could have swum out and pushed the iceberg out of the way.

David Warner and Susan Saint James made an interesting couple in [italic]S.O.S. Titanic.[/italic]

I laughed every time David Warner and Ian Holm appeared on screen together.

Why r78

Every single thing James Cameron has touched is garbage

R79 Holm standing on a stool.

R80 = Linda Hamilton.

[quote]It's interesting how similar the Leonardo DiCaprio character is to the character Mike Doyle plays in the miniseries (which came first).

Yes, of course, I noticed that. For that matter, the ridiculous Tim Curry character in the TV movie bears some resemblance to the Billy Zane character in the Cameron version, at least in terms of brandishing a gun. I'm sure Cameron cribbed from the earlier version, whether consciously or not.

I'm celebrating the New Year by watching [italic]The Poseidon Adventure.[/italic]

And now I'm watching [italic]The Last Voyage.[/italic]

both the 1996 TV miniseries and the 1997 theatrical film suck. Way too long with stock characters.

I've never seen it.

R86, I agree, although I think each movie has its (few) strengths and (many) weaknesses. One thing the TV movie has over the Cameron version is that, in the former, at least they spend a little time on the Strauses, particularly their farewell moment, which I'm pretty sure was not in the Cameron film at all.

I'm sorry, OP, but was there a question in there somewhere or are you just quoting data from IMDB?

It was r88, but Cameron cut it out

Frau catnip.

Thanks, R90. I would normally say it was an idiotic decision by Cameron to cut that scene, but gosh, the acting in it is quite poor.

The performances were uneven at best r92, amongst the supporting cast.

It was okay. One viewing was sufficient.

[quote]Released more than a decade before The Poseidon Adventure, The Last Voyage (1960) is a concise yet oh-so-effective disaster film about a cruise ship that runs into serious trouble on the high seas. And at 91 mins it's half the running time of Titanic! An actual ship was destroyed during production lending authenticity.

Tammy Marihugh, who played Robert Stack and Dorothy Malone's daughter, was yet another child star who hit the skids. She was the daughter of greedy stage parents who saw her as a cash cow, but by the end of the '60s the offers stopped coming and she quit acting. She moved to Las Vegas, became a stripper, and shot her abusive husband to death in 1995. She died in 2020 at age 70.

I didn’t know that she was dead r95.

She was so obnoxious in TLV I wanted her to drown.

Now I'm watching the ultra-low-budget [italic]Titanic II,[/italic] which originally ran on Syfy in 2010. The interiors look like a budget Carnival ship, and the actors appear to have worn their own clothes.

Complete dreck.

There's a Titanic 2?

The special effects were exceptional. But that's the only good thing I can say about this movie. The hackneyed love story, the crummy dialouge, the unsympathetic lovers Rose and Jack, the absurdity of them running around in feezing cold water without being incapacitated by it...boy, this movie REALLY sucked.

Titanic was a beautiful vessel.

I liked the Royal Blue and White colours and the fake chimney.

We prefer to call them funnels, not chimneys.

[italic]Titanic II,[/italic] along with last year's [italic]Titanic 666,[/italic] is a production of The Asylum, the folks who brought you such masterpieces as [italic]Sharknado[/italic] and [italic]Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus.[/italic]

I was always fascinated by the story of the Titanic, and I have seen several movies about it, and honestly there was a lot Cameron lifted from other movies to make this updated version. My personal favorite is the Clifton Webb/Barbara Stanwyck one. With the delicious Robert Wagner.

[quote] Harland and Wolff

Were you using those impoverished Norther Irelanders as cheap labor?

Damn right we were

[quote]The special effects were exceptional.

Most of them were, but not all. There's one aerial pan over the ship at sea, early in the film, and the little people walking on deck are obviously animatronic -- and this was in the days before that sort of shot was perfected, so they look very fake.

When Jack and Fabrizio see the ship from the pub, it looks like a painting.

[quote] [R2] No, I did not.

Well it might have been nice to say something about the movie other than that it exists, OP.

She had a big ass but couldn’t live forever.

The best description of Titanic I ever heard was: the worst of Gone with the Wind and Poseidon Adventure smushed together.

Quite accurate

I don't get that, R11. The worst thing about GONE WITH THE WIND -- and one of the few bad things about it, though it's a HUGE thing that has resulted in the movie falling into disfavor -- is the way slavery is downplayed to the point where it seems like it wasn't a big issue in the Civil War. Offhand, I can't remember any racial insensitivity in Titanic.

R112 - While generally entertaining, GWTW is essentially a soap opera. It's the soapy melodrama to which I was referring. As for Poseidon, the worst of it stereotypical characters and questionable dialogue.

Titanic did have impressive special effects however, especially for its time. That's about it.

BTW, although it was not my point, Titanic did raise racial issues with third class steerage (most of whom died in RL) being composed of ethnic minorities. Whether or not that was treated with sensitivity is subjective.

Hopefully the next version of the disaster will feature the Laroche family in second class.

[quote]Titanic II, along with last year's Titanic 666, is a production of The Asylum, the folks who brought you such masterpieces as Sharknado and Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus.

A review of [italic]Titanic II[/italic] notes, "Bruce Davison needed a project to keep his SAG insurance current"

[quote]will feature the Laroche family in second class.

The family from Karate Kid?

As a category the highest passenger fatality rate on Titanic was"chauffeurs accompanying their employers". 100%. All four of them were lost.

Frock you...

R114 Hopefully the next version of the disaster will feature the Laroche family

The script MUST be re-written so that Joe Laroche has an affair with Kate Winslet and be King of The World.

There were also some guys on board who were almost certainly gay....all the movies/shows about the Titanic have ignored them, though

The Titanic was absolutely teeming with Transvestites, Turffs and Non-Binaries.

Eric Cervini demands their story is told!

In fact, R122, the person who first spotted the iceberg and sounded the alarm was Trans, as was the wireless operator who stayed at them's post sending out distress signals unto the very end. These and thems, sadly, did not survive. True unsung heroines of Trans Herstory!

Man, it seems like every thread on DL descends into racist crap or picking on trans people

Trans people are unstoppable, R124. This year is World Pride Year.

R124, the trans and their vicious drama and lies invite mocking.

The survivors were part of official inquiries into the sinking. The transcripts are fascinating eye-witness accounts, especially from those who worked on the Titanic in some capacity. Officer Charles Lightoller literally went down with the ship but somehow managed to survive.

From his Wiki page…

As the ship began its final plunge, Lightoller attempted to launch Collapsible B on the port side. This collapsible boat was one of the smaller Engelhardt lifeboats with canvas sides and was stowed atop the officers' quarters. The collapsible fell onto the deck upside down.[29] Lightoller then crossed over to the starboard side of the roof, to see if there was anything further to be done there. As the ship sank, seawater washed over the entire bow, producing a large wave that rolled aft along the boat deck and washed over the bridge. Seeing crowds of people run away from the rising water, Lightoller realized it would be a futile move to head aft and dived into the water from the roof of the officers' quarters. Lightoller described the shock of the water as being like "a thousand knives being driven into one’s body".[30]

Surfacing, Lightoller spotted the ship's crow's nest, now level with the water, and started to swim towards it as a place of safety before remembering that it was safer to stay away from the foundering vessel. Then, as water flooded down one of the forward ventilators, Lightoller was sucked under. He was pinned against the grating for some time by the pressure of the incoming water, until a blast of hot air from the depths of the ship erupted out of the ventilator and blew him to the surface.[10] The suction pulled him down again against another grating, but he resurfaced. He realized he could not swim properly because of the weight of the Webley revolver he was carrying in his coat pocket, so he swiftly discarded it.[30] Following this, he saw Collapsible B floating upside down with several swimmers hanging on to it. He swam to it and held on to a rope at the front. Then the Titanic's Number 1 (forward) funnel broke free and hit the water, washing the collapsible further away from the sinking ship.[31]

Lightoller climbed on the boat and took charge, calming and organising the survivors (numbering around 30) on the overturned lifeboat.[32] He led them in yelling in unison "Boat ahoy!", but with no success. During the night a swell arose, and Lightoller taught the men to shift their weight with the swells to prevent the craft from being swamped.[10]

R125, right wing trolls must be unstoppable, too, I guess

[quote]The Titanic was absolutely teeming with Transvestites, Turffs and Non-Binaries.

They threw the first lifeboat!

Trans people are unstoppable

Drag queens were invented the night the TITANIC sank…

R102 Harland and Wolff, I'm disappointed that you clad the ship with weak rivets and steel that was acceptable then but unacceptable today.

[quote] is the way slavery is downplayed to the point where it seems like it wasn't a big issue in the Civil War.

For a lot of men who fought in the war slavery wasn't a big issue. A lot of men who fought for the South were not slave owners. They fought because politicians said the Yankees were always telling the South what to do so the Yankees needed to be taught to mind their own business. There's a character in GWTW (he was not in the movie) named Archie. He never owned any slaves; he hated them. He was sentenced to life in prison for murdering his wife. The South was in such dire need of men to fight the wat that they let prisoners out early to join the troops. Archie was not eligible to do that since he was a murderer, but convinced a warden to slip him out with the others. So he fought in the war and lost a leg and an eye; "but I ain't sorry." Archie hated the Yankees because they tried to interfere in the South's business and he hated people who couldn't "mind their own bizness." He also hated women; he caught his wife cheating on him and he killed her. He didn't fight in the war because wated slavery to go on. He just hated the Yankees for butting in. Archie hated everybody but Melanie, it would seem. Archie, although a minor character, was one of the most interesting characters in the novel.

R133 is one of those Republicans who try to pretend the Civil War wasn't about slaves. "States' rights" meant THE RIGHT TO OWN SLAVES. Even Confederates who didn't own slaves themselves wanted other people to be able to own slaves.

That's fascinating, R133, but regardless of how much truth there is or isn't in what you wrote, it has nothing to do with what I meant. I was referring to the fact that GONE WITH THE WIND has understandably fallen into disfavor because the evils of slavery are downplayed for the audience -- downplayed as in barely acknowledged.

[quote] fallen into disfavor

Says you.

[quote] Even Confederates who didn't own slaves themselves wanted other people to be able to own slaves.

Uh, no. They didn't give a shit about slavery, one way or another. As one commentator said:

"Putting aside the political and economic causes of the Civil War, when assessing the men themselves, the personal motivations of most who did the fighting on either side, had nothing to do with slavery. The truth is most Southern soldiers (80% owned no slaves) would have considered themselves to be fighting to defend their homes; just as most Union soldiers were motivated to defend the Union. It seems preposterous that very many of them were thinking “We must keep the slaves!” or “We must free the slaves! As they charged into a hail of cannon and musket fire."

[quote] one commentator

Is just one commentator.

R137, bullshit. They were fighting so that rich guys in the South could own slaves. The equivalent of poor people today who vote Republican so rich guys can get tax breaks

R139 = Professor Eric Cervini

[quote] They were fighting so that rich guys in the South could own slaves.

The Civil War was a lhell of a lot more complicated than that.

^ According to the Confederate apologists in the new Confederacy - the Republican Party

Millennials insist we dumb down complicated history into simple things suitable for kids.

As flawed as the film, is, it’s fucking entertaining af. I find myself getting caught up in the spectacle. Can’t help it.

Me too.

That and [italic]JFK[/italic]. As ridiculous as its premise was, it’s still a great movie.

Same thing with THE BODYGUARD. Dumb movie that succeeds in spite of itself.

Horrible awful movie…made for 10 yr old girls

[quote]As flawed as the film, is, it’s fucking entertaining af. I find myself getting caught up in the spectacle. Can’t help it.

[quote]Me too. That and JFK. As ridiculous as its premise was, it’s still a great movie.

I'm pretty sure you people get caught up in these movies because of the incredible power of the true stories. As for me, I hate it when filmmakers coast on that and make awful movies that some people love anyway because they're about fascinating, highly dramatic historical events.

Just started watching JUGGERNAUT (1974), about a terrorist-extortionist threatening to blow up a fictional contemporary liner called the [italic]Brittanic.[/italic]

[quote] Lightoller climbed on the boat and took charge, calming and organising the survivors (numbering around 30) on the overturned lifeboat

In WW1 he went on to command a Royal Navy ship that sank a U-Boat by ramming it. In WW2 he sailed his own small boat to Dunkirk and evacuated British troops five times the boat's capacity

Lightoller; true, may be or false? ?

Leo became an A-list Hollywood actor from this film and has never looked back since.

River Phoenix would have brought so much more to that role had he not died and got the chance to play it. He was Cameron's first choice for Jack.

River Phoenix was still smaller than musclebound Kate Winslet.

[quote] River Phoenix would have brought so much more to that role had he not died and got the chance to play it. He was Cameron's first choice for Jack.

The movie came out 6 years after River died. How could he have been the first choice? Unless he was to play a corpse, then I could understand.

R154, Cameron was developing the script to Titanic back in the early 90s, before River Phoenix’s death. It was his dream project, and he had Phoenix in mind when he created Jack.

I couldn’t believe how Rose was able to let her mother think that she was dead. But Ruth didn’t really care about her daughter; to Ruth, Rose was just a bargaining chip that she could use to get herself out of the debts her late husband had burdened her with.

I always wonder what happened to Ruth after the sinking

You ain’t heard this from me cause I ain’t one to gossip, but from what I heard, she turned ho.

Mmmm hmmm.

Course I ain’t tryin to say nothin.

She became the original Mayflower Madam.

Hey, R158/Benita Butrell! Love you on In Living Color!

I love Benita Butrell

I take my hat off to this guy who has created this very detailed computer simulation of the sinking. He’s partially blind to boot.

River Phoenix would've been too old to play Jack by the time the film was made.

^ It would be laughable if someone named "River" drowned in the ocean.

^ Some might be embarrassed that someone who was christened as 'River Bottom' ended up on the Atlantic's bottom.

River was the first choice to play Jack when the movie was first conceived but of course he was gone before pre-production and casting actually began.

Yes, R162, I've seen that simulation. It's amazing.

He's gay. Look at this pic.

[quote] It’s coming out in 2023 in 4K and I’ll be second on line to get it.

I can hardly wait to see every fold of excess flesh on Winslet in stunning 4K!

I think that someone should make a version focusing on the second class passengers. They are ignored in most cinematic versions of the disaster.

Well of course they are. No one wants to see the riff raff.

R170 Heh yes, nothing changes (the media focuses on the rich and the poor because they're the extremes.. Not a lot of focus on the middle).

If they do, r170, I’d like to see them focus on the Laroche family.