The Official Queen's Platinum Jubilee Viewing Party Thread - Part IV

Part III below.

Why did Rod Steward sing Neil Diamond ?

R2, see Part III linked at R1. Do a search for "Rod Stewart" not "Rod Steward".

Maybe the song was a request from TRF?

Ed Sheeran is singing now.

R2 Sweet Caroline is a hugely popular sing-a-long song in the UK a big concerts like last night so that's probably why. Apparently the royals approved the song list so they likely wanted it.

I'm psyched!!

Is there a link to watch this as was provided yesterday?

R6 Still why would Rod want to sing it ?

Beautiful balcony scene. Everyone sane God Save the Queen. I admit it. I'm crying. I'm not even British.

R10 Me too....it really feels like the end of an era.

Rod was told he had to sing it by the palace.

She looked markedly more frail than just a couple of days ago.

Is it over. I just started watching the royal family channel on YouTube. I can't tell if people are waiting for the queen to appear on the balcony. Or if it's done and the crowd is just milling about.

Thursday she was far more animated and in the moment. Now she looks like shit and no doubt feels the same.

Why a queeny looking American opened the show and an old looking American closed it ?

The Queen clearly holding back tears.

She does look more frail but I suspect she in pain and pushing herself to make this appearance.

It looked like little Louis was singing God Save the Queen as well.

Peter Phillips has arrived.

Pretty sure he was singing Dancing Queen. The kid marches to his own drum.

[quote] It looked like little Louis was singing God Save the Queen as well.

It looked like Kate asked him to wave and he said "I don't want to."

Peter Phillips can arrive at my place anytime.

The Cambridges baking cakes.

Zara Tindall teasing George.

I got the TV turned on in time to hear the last line of “God Save the Queen.” Now I’m sniveling along with Lulu and hoping my anti-monarchist partner doesn’t hear.

It’s a lot sadder than I thought it would be. As so many of you have pointed out, it’s the end of a very long era.

R22 = Arthur Chatto

[quote] Zara Tindall teasing George.

Future Queen Zara.

r17 It is probably the last big royal event of her life. There's no one left to be married, and the next funeral will her own. So it must seem a nice send off.

[quote] and the next funeral will her own.

If the Duke of Kent doesn't beat her to it.

[quote] and the next funeral will her own

Followed by George's, that is if I don't just have him disappear being locked in the Tower and all. I've been watching Lucy Worsley lately, and take inspiration from Richard III. Now it will be the Prince in the Tower.

The Sussexes must really REALLY regret what they’ve done, because they could have been up there with their two kids. What a royal fuck-up, they must be horrified at how they misfired. Meanwhile, the Cambridges couldn’t be more perfectly present.

Harry could have been up on the balcony with his family. He looks so sad and pathetic now. He will regret what he's done for the rest of his life.

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That’s a great shot R33.

I didn’t see the Chatto’s at this event or last night’s concert. Did anybody spot them?

Gold State Coach.

R35, I forget whether it was yesterday or the day before, but the Chattos were there.

Louis excited to be there.

Anne dressed well today.

Is PrinCESS Michael of Kent wearing her blackamoor brooch there today?

Louis seems to like Tindall. He'll be straight.

r33 "Mother please you're interrupting the music."

I didn't think the Queen looked frail, so much as swamped. She's so tiny... that enormous green hat overwhelmed her.

Here's the hat from Thursday...

Also, one brief appearance. She must have really gritted her teeth through discomfort to do it.

According to the DM, as the Gold State Coach is driven through the streets, a hologram o f HM waving will be projected inside. Really?

R44, it was. A more middle aged queen, I thought. Probably State Opening of Parliament.

Here's the hat from today. It totally toad stooled her.

Such sycophantic nonsense.

I still don't think anything from the last 2 Jubilees has managed to top this moment.

[quote] a hologram o f HM waving will be projected inside. Really?

They showed it a couple of minutes ago. It was indeed a young Queen.

That was very moving - beautiful trumpeting (?) or whatever those brass instruments were. I can’t help thinking the monarchy should pass into the ether on a high note at the end of Big Liz’s reign rather than slowly fall apart under Charles. She did not earn her role, but absolutely excelled at it, as the Queens of England always seem to do. (I did want to rip off the black pom-pom on her hat, which looked like a mic.)

Kate looked nice in the fuschia, albeit Karen Carpenter-esque. I hope she doesn’t give Charlotte a complex.

George is as tall as the Queen now.

Green was allegedly Philip's favorite color. I wonder if that influenced the Queen's outfit today?

I was a bit disappointed in Dina Ross. I was hoping she would be dressed as a Beefeater.

I don't think it will fall apart. I think they are actually transitioning it quite effectively. Besides, Charles will be seen as a caretaker and, given his age, less visible than his new Prince of Wales. On it goes, automatically.

It feels like the future kings will be more subdued, like the European ones. Like Victoria, the length of her reign made her a standout.

R52, maybe. She also is on record as favouring stark colours that can be seen from a distance. You couldn't miss Kelly green.

The video at R48 is incredible - and comparing it to this year does make for an interesting comparison. There was a feeling of anointedness and real power and hierarchy in that older procession, while these days the monarchy seems to be trying to suggest fondness and familiarity.

Now it's the troops from the colonies I see.

I don't think the European monarchies are that subdued. They all still live in palaces, the active members all have titles (they are doing more to trim the Princess Hugenies of the world, but so's the British monarchy now), they all still have big national occasions with pomp and ceremony and tiaras and sashses. You just don't hear much about them on a comparative basis because of the brand power of the UK's monarchy.

Louis gone wild.

Best from 1:05 to the end.

I wonder if the plan was not to bring him... he's young for something that long... and maybe there was a but-I-want-to-go screaming fit shortly before departure.

I think a King (not just Charles, but any Queen) will turn out to feel vastly more out-of-step with modern times than the Queen does. It’s one way the British monarchy may end or be scaled back that wouldn’t be Charles’s fault at all.

*(not just Charles, but any King)

The girl next to Zara was wildly shaking her head.

I think if Charlotte was the heir instead of George there wouldn't even be a question of losing the monarchy. But I also think the public would treat her as the second coming of Elizabeth and having that much symbolic power and idolation would be a really unhealthy experience for her to grow up in.

The Queen has released a statement.

I believe the moment for statements has passed.

That is a lovely statement, especially the ‘to the best of my ability’ bit.

I wonder how Meghan and Harry felt when walking down the aisle of the church, knowing that everybody in that church thinks they are a pair of grifting lying cunts. I would never have dared to show my face if I was them.

R67 You have just given an accurate example of the word “shameless”.

R64 Yes, lovely statement.

Pride flag. Abba. Gay portion of parade.

Teletubbies!

One of the Tindall girls and a black lady were getting their grooves on.

R67 Why do you say that?

R73 Because I just realized I meant R68. I am very sorry for the mistake.

The Queen and her statement are wonderful!

It reminds me of one of those films. A few of us in a fort, hordes of Zulus outside.

Anne bobbing along to the music.

I'm so sari.

Revisiting this for details on the next big event

Louis really enjoys being with grandpapa.

It was cute seeing Louis run over, and jump into Charles's lap.

It’s a shame for Charles as he’s lost two of his grandchildren. He will never really know them the way he does the Cambridge kids. The only relative the Harkles kids will be close to is Megan’s mum.

This has been a great thread, thanks everyone for posting. I spent the long weekend on my own watching the events on TV, it made all the difference reading what you all had to say and posting myself.

Damn, Louis needs a good spanking, he’s such a brat. He should be interesting to watch in the upcoming years. The other two are quite mature. His sister actually tries to keep him in line.

I know someone who seems to know how to calm Louis down.

I know someone who can calm Louis down really quickly.

^ Sorry for the double post above. DL is awfully slow to post.

Louis is very ...um...animated.

[quote] Why did Rod Steward sing Neil Diamond ?

Why couldn't they get Neil Diamond? Was he prebooked?

On the last balcony scene Wills towers over everyone including Charles. More strikingly his chest seems twice as wide as Charles who was no slouch of an athlete when younger. There's also an IG of him walking up stairs to get to the stage last night shot from behind. His ass is also immense and gorgeous 😍.

Ed Sheeran again.

[quote] There's also an IG of him walking up stairs to get to the stage last night shot from behind. His ass is also immense and gorgeous

Link please.

Prince Louis has it in his little head that he's his own boss.

I'll make short work of that.

Louis is eating and dancing in his seat - what a multi tasker!

Louis had ants in his pants today. He is 4 years old, and likely just overstimulated. This was his first big weekend of outings, he did about as good as you can expect a kid that small to do, but they should have left him with the nanny during the concert

Interesting observation.

They're playing my future song, "God Save the Queen"!

Anorexic Kate in Raspberry Ripple actually looked frailer than HM in Kelly Green.

He's not just a full time holy terror....

R97 - Is that you, Meghan?

Although when he is a holy terror, he's mastered it.

R95 - I don't think so. And I don't think it was for Harry's protection, either. I think it was to ensure that the Harkles didn't try anything fast. And, there are those wiring rumours . . .

Give me Kate over Spongebob Tompants.

Everything else aside, it must sting for Harry to see all the great-grandchildren enjoying a large family unit. His children have...nothing.

Who is the older man who was chatting with William at the luncheon after the trooping of the colours? I’ve seen him before with William.

Prince William's speech was excellent. Princess Di would be proud.

MMPH... Her PR Team must be in overdrive...

Diana is getting excellent reviews around the world!! 👇

"Majestic return of Diana Ross -- The 78-year-old delivered an exceptional selection of her songs, including Chain Reaction and No Mountain High Enough to express her admiration for the Queen." -- Republic World

"Diana Ross dazzled" -- The Times

"Diana Ross sends crowds singing off into the night with a rousing closing performance at Platinum Party at the Palace" -- The Telegraph

"Diana Ross stuns Party at the Palace gig as she makes first UK appearance in 15 years" -- The Mirror

"Diana Ross wowed fans" -- The Mirror

"Platinum Party at the Palace viewers were taken aback by Diana Ross' age. Viewers following the show on Twitter took to the social media platform to praise the musician for her thrilling performance at 78-years-old" -- Liverpool Echo

"Diana Ross dazzles with 'Ain't No Mountain High Enough' and more at the Queen's Platinum Party at the Palace. Who better to salute one Queen than another Queen?" -- That Grapejuice

Whoever is Miss Ross’es wig technician is amazing.

Sincerely doubt that the Harkles will ever regret their decision. They'll convince themselves that really, they had no other choice but to leave to escape the cold, unfeeling, racist family that was practically forcing them out day by day because they were so jealous of the Sussex star power.

^^^ Yes, even though they are the black sheep of the family, so to speak, daddy will provide... at least until he is dead.

^ Charles is notoriously cheap. Didn't you hear Harry moaning, almost in tears, about no more money from Dad during the Oprah interview?

R100 - that was Louis' Oprah Winfrey moment..."were you silent or were you silenced?"

Omid Scabies' book took several random swipes at Kate, her mother and her sister. William is unlikely to forget that.

And if JustHarry's book is as venomous to Camilla as rumored, Charles won't either.

Too delicious, r95. The Palace left absolutely nothing to chance by placing the former security service chief behind the Harkles. Did Harry know who he is despite his former standing as the chief of one of the agencies in the crossfire of his lawsuit? Probably not. Well, he does now, maybe. Hopefully, the knowledge will elicit some moments of panic and paranoia.

If the Harkles aren't sensibly feeling panic and paranoia, there some executives and lawyers at Netflix and Random House feeling it on their behalf. Emergency meetings being scheduled to address crisis management.

Just about everything Datalounge has predicted about this couple has come to pass. The only thing DL prognosticians failed at was assessing how far and how quickly the couple's failure and descent into irrelevance occurred.

The UK was & is on the forefront of many a super bit of technology starting from back in the 17th century through WW2.. see radar, Alan Turing, one of our own, to the present day. Wonder if that former head of security had something that was tracking Meg's little mic in her hat & whatever else they were dumb enough to try.

R108 Yes I agree. But actually seeing the family over these past four days of events they actually come across as a fairly close and friendly family. Obviously all families have all kinds of shit going on, but Charles with his grandson on his knee was very sweet. Also the Tindall’s, Eugine, Beatrice etc all seem to get along just fine, going out to dinner together in Mayfair after their grandfathers memorial service for example. Harry and Meghan’s kids probably will never get to know their cousins, aunts and uncles etc

I am so relieved to see these past four days behind me, so many emotions, that was draining emotionally. God I love the U.K. I really believe there is no better place on Earth. Today’s parade was everything we are as a nation, something I feel 365 days a year, we live in a beautiful country with beautiful people from everywhere. The least racist country in the world and the most liberal despite what the woke say, they need discriminations to exist so they create new ones out of nothing. Anyways let’s not think about them. I cannot imagine the day the Queen will die, it will be one of the worst day of my life, I’ll never have enough tears

R116

MARY!!!!!!

Having grown up in an extended family w. many cousins of differing ages, I can say it was great. Not fairy tale picture perfect, but pretty awesome. We were ball busters, but had each others backs when push came to shove. I could smack my cousin, but if you tried you got a massive pile on, for sure. In some of the bits I see in photos, you can see that comfortableness with the RF. Loved the shot below of Zara Tindall poking George the future King with a Union Jack flag in the ear & everyone laughing at it. Reminded me of the sh*t we used to pull at big family boring stuff we would have to go to.

This was much more enjoyable and touching than I expected. The whiners were there but controlled in the coldest and most perfect way possible, Paddington was Paddington, and Louis... well, 4 year olds aren't fully domesticated at the best of times, even more so when they're over stimulated and can sneak off to sit with Grandad to escape Mama's stare.

Well done, all. I echo the above posters: DL makes these events wonderful. Cheers.

Someone tell the Sussex Squad interloper who had out up, i think, 5 threads on a tired, crazy ky four year old that it won't work.

Louis is a star. Kate isxa star. And Meghan isn't.

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Little August looks like Little Harry.

The children did very well, not easy for a kid.

I’m an American, enjoyed all of it. So nice to have Harry out of the picture. Didn’t really how tense and negative it was with him and the drama.

Look, he asked to leave the family and life as a royal...please stop giving him attention. Everyone is better off if he lives his dream as a private citizen.

What a beautiful show and pageantry for HMTQ. They don’t make them like her anymore. I truly admire her.

I think this was the beginning of a new chapter for the Royal family. Charles is taking over and William and his family coming to the forefront. I love events like this and gossip, but I honestly had no interest in the Harry or Meghan drama. It feels played out after 2 years. Harry was going to become irrelevant anyway, it just came sooner with his departure. Things change, live moves on. The family doesn’t seem to want or need him anymore for an official role. There is no turning back. Hopefully he is happy with his new life in California.

It’ll be interesting to see if there will still be dozens of threads on H&M, because it really does seem like a turning point. Nothing more really needs be said. I’m not optimistic on the decreasing threads part.

[quote]The Palace left absolutely nothing to chance by placing the former security service chief behind the Harkles.

Is that who that James Norton-ish hottie was? Lord, I'd put up with cutting Tesco ribbons if *he* was guarding me!

No. That hottie was Major Johnny Thompson.

R116 was a Thatcher voter.

If the old gal lives as long as her mother she'll be around until 2027/2028.

[quote] Zara Tindall teasing George.

Seems undignified in public.

R131 I quite agree .

[quote]actually seeing the family over these past four days of events they actually come across as a fairly close and friendly family.

That really struck me too.

It was so nice to see something [italic]celebrated![/italic]. I find it hard to find anything to watch tonight that doesn't feel like a let down.

The next time some cranky, sour DLer whines about "why bow down to monarchy?" The last four days is why. Because every country will have a head of state and this way of doing it has got a little bit of magic to it that defies logic and it can be just bloody wonderful if you just shut up, let it do its thing and enjoy being part of it. It's kind of like being sex positive, only with marching bands, great architecture, greater music and hats.

They've just arrived back in California.

"Here's your hat, what's your hurry?"

Everyone in the crowd looked so damned happy. It's healthy for a nation to come together and celebrate something. And shows why it's so important that the royals at least give the appearance of being apolitical.

Nice try R116 - but only stupid Americans use the non-word “anyways”. Fuck off, troll.

I think it's cute when Americans say anyways. I've started saying it just for fun, even though I didn't grow up saying it.

Word for word, r133.

I'm as American as you can get and I loved every second of this Jubilee.

And, assuming I outlive Q E II, I'll be a blubbering, verklempt, sentimental fool bawling my eyes out when she dies and while I'm watching her funeral and reading and posting on the dozens of DL threads.

And I don't even believe in an afterlife, but, I'll contradict myself right here by saying, upon her death, I'll also feel glad for her because if anybody has earned eternal, peaceful rest, or, a place where she can run with her horses and corgis forever, it's Q E II.

Louis is just a sweet, precious little doll - rather like Annabelle or Chucky.

I missed all of this stuff except the clips posted in this thread. Thank you for sharing them.

I used to watch Royal events with a loved one. It was nice to feel close to them again by seeing this.

Miss them. And yes, the Queen is a rare woman.

What R139 said! Step aside Harry. Louis will be the one to watch! What a breath of fresh air! And NO, children should never be hit. Louis did as well as any four year old could do in those circumstances. It looks like the whole family really loves each other and it's great to see.

R17 Very touching. Thank you for sharing that. George and Charlotte have learned the wave.

No Paul McCartney?

It was uplifting to see the country come together and celebrate. As an American, it was so refreshing and inspiring...I just don’t see this happening here, unfortunately. The RF is doing so much for morale, especially seeing them embattled from within and rising above.

R144 America, for all its problems, isn't facing a possible break-up. The United Kingdom is. So from a political standpoint, the celebrations were well worth the cost to keep the UK united.

HRH looked frail because she was worn out from all the merriment of the birthday party. Sources say she even jumped out of a cake…

Buckingham Palace essentially did a modern-day beheading of Harry and Meghan on this trip.

R146 No, Princess Anne didn't look frail. Neither did any of the other HRHs.

Yes R147, a necessary reformation. I like the scaled down RF. I enjoyed the commentary here on DL, but love the civility and warmth of the UK commentators and citizens...I needed to see that, I think.

I've really enjoyed these threads. I enjoy poking fun at Harry and Meghan too but it's nice to have royal threads that aren't 100% about them.

To be fair though, this was about 80%, but still ... a brief respite.

“HRH”, R146? Who is that?

I wondered if they got the he*l outa dodge so quick, because of the ex head of MI6 sitting behind them in St. Paul's. Sorta like get a move on before the bailiffs.

R152 You have to wonder just a bit about the sort of low-key messages BP has been sending Harry, especially about that book.

I've often thought he's not completely convinced his mother's death was an accident. Not that he actually knows anything. But if he expresses even a tiny sliver of doubt in his book, it would shake Britain to the core.

Now 'He's 4' is trending on twitter as Klan Grans desperately try to defend Louis Retard's behaviour. If Archie was acting like that the Grannies would be screeching for him to be sent off to a mental hospital. Definitely has developmental difficulties.

[quote] BP

British Petroleum?

George at 8-years-old is already 5 foot tall. He's going to be a giant. Probably 6ft 7.

Nope, there was an investigation. If he spouts this he will look even more unhinged. If its dicey, he will get sued. And no money, ever for anyone of his family or him.

R155 Buckingham Palace. Not the Queen but the Men in Gray Suits.

Thank you, R158.

R157 And just who will sue him and on what grounds if he simply says he's "never been wholly convinced" his mother's death was an accident?

Dodi's father went a lot farther and was never sued.

Random House better parse his language with a fine toothed comb. But it won't matter. His goose is so cooked in the UK the skin is brown & crisp. The RF won't care. It's what the British public think. And if the Union severs, so what? Will be interesting to see how Scotland, Wales support themselves without the English penny & pence to float them.

Kim Kardashian's invite request stamped, "DENIED". Ouch!

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Lol there are already articles about spazzy Louis being autistic.

Despite the endless treacle kowtowing lickspittle posts on these threads:

History will judge Elizabeth a average unimaginative woman who presided over the disintegration of the British Empire and Commonwealth. Her main accomplishment will be that her longevity enabled an obsolete institution to totter on past it's expire date. Not Elizabeth The Great rather Elizabeth The Prolonged.

She must not be a hands on parent. I'd give the kid a royal swat or two on the ass. Sometimes, bad behavior is really a cry for attention.

The terrible twos, frankly, is a misnomer. More like the terrible twos-terrible sevens, maybe eights, Louis is also the last child, so he’s definitely a bit more spoiled and indulged, like the last child often is. He’ll be fine.

^ Well, if she didn't smack the living dog sh*t out of Meghan with cameras rolling, you think she is going to hit her son on camera...Sheesh

Did that make you feel any better, R165?

Didn't think so.

The longer the Queen is around, means the less time Charles will be king. Let's hope for a 75th anniversary, hell I would like to see 80! What NOBODY wants to see is that hideous, vile monstrosity Camilla!

That article at r164 is a crock. It says “Prince Williams (sc) and Princess Kate Middleton (sic) should have prepared him to behave in the presence of the Queen at such an important event.”

Has no one ever take a child to church, or in a plane, or to a restaurant? They’ve never had children if they think a 4-year-old can be prepared or controlled. They do what they want until they have the ability to be mortified.

Ugh… of course, sic at r171.

Louis is the future Prince Harry. Harry was just as big a brat and there are dozens of pics of him acting up.

'Has no one ever take a child to church, or in a plane, or to a restaurant? They’ve never had children if they think a 4-year-old can be prepared or controlled. They do what they want until they have the ability to be mortified.'

Children can read at age 4, you fool. Louis will have been extensively prepared but unfortunately none of it registered with his autistic brain. The Queen's children never behaved like this at four years old and nor did William or Harry.

The 'vibrant" future of the British Gitocracy.

The people who are criticizing the behaviour of a four year old child are scum.

If Louis is the future Prince Harry, that is fine by me. Better than the complete bore, William.

He’s a bit willful and rebellious...give him time. Likely a bit early for him to be on extended outings. British people enjoy seeing the young family, maybe bit pressure to show all three kids. It was a special day for the RF and TQ. In public hard to discipline, or correct, with the world watching. He likely knew that and was testing the boundaries. All that animation, it’s doubtful that he is autistic.

Because R177 needs her entertainment.

Thank God no one exists to keep this clown laughing.

Dreading the narc rage that will explode from Montecito soon. Though, sort of looking forward to it as I think it will be the final self-destructive act that finishes them off for good.

Just looked at a picture of Boris Johnson's wife. She, too, has the ridiculously long hair. I can't wait for that trend to be over. Although it's been, what, 30 years now? But it's just getting longer and longer. Bring back HAIRDOS!

[quote]If Louis is the future Prince Harry, that is fine by me.

Good to know because in the grand scheme of things, your approval is what really matters R177.

Fraus discussing a bloody 4 yo like he was Alfred The Great.

Jack (Eugenie's husband), his face was red sitting next to Harry. He and E are towing a fine line because they are friendly but don't want to piss off the higher up Royals.

No official confirmation that the Queen actually met Lili or that there was even a birthday party? We know how Meg's people like to imply things to make H&M look better. I am skeptical those kids were even in England.

[quote] sc (sic)

Louis is the third kid in the mob, the youngest. His parents are going to indulge his behavior far more because they have become more experienced raising children, and they are tired from supervising the first two. Louis is also the inconsequential of the trio. George is the heir, Charlotte is the spare. Louis has no dynastic purpose and his behavior is therefore far less of an issue. So if he wants to act in public like a typical 4 year old boy, Kate will be more than happy to chivvy him along. Because in the dynastic scheme of things, his behavior is not important. If it does eventuate that he has autism or ADHD or some other neurological anomaly, he will simply be kept from those public situations that will trigger his adverse reactions.

[quote] If it does eventuate that he has autism or ADHD or some other neurological anomaly, he will simply be kept from those public situations that will trigger his adverse reactions

Omg. He’s going to be the 21st Prince John.

R188 And how Royals deal with their potential social embarrassments hasn't changed much.

Ironically with the Queen unable to attend most of the events the jubilee was very successful at setting the stage for what the future is going to look like. Also, I think the largest achievement of the whole event was really the focusing on the royals as a family in a way they haven't done in ages. The family seemed far more united (thanks in large part of Andrew, Harry & Meghan being absent from most events).

In fact if anything, Harry & Meghan rather than reasserting their place as "royal starts," they've cemented their status of as second-tier who are completely unimportant to the future of the monarchy. In reality, they have defanged the Sussex beast. They may have titles but they are no longer anywhere near the inner-sanctum of royalty. They were not pictured with any senior royals which was a deliberate snub and basically the monarchy's way of telling Harry and Meghan that they are not going to anything to help them may a buck or enhance their brand. They told the world without saying it, that all these leaks about Harry and William working on their relationship are bullshit. The Sussexes ain't important anymore.

Bringing out all the children was a genius bit of PR. It was really the first time we've seen the Cambridges being parents and Charles being a grandfather bouncing little Louis on his knee also did a lot to break down this myth of Charles being an uncaring father/grandfather. Also if Louis happens to have some kind of disorder (which I don't think he does) they royals will not keep it a secret.

[quote] Also if Louis happens to have some kind of disorder (which I don't think he does) they royals will not keep it a secret.

They may be able to hide that, but there’s no hiding fabulous!

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For Christs sake, he's 4 years old and was probably overwhelmed by all the parties. He's not autistic or anything like that.

The close relationship between Charles and Louis has been on view before if one chose to see it.

I recall one of the earlier balcony appearances, probably the first time Louis was there. Charles was standing in the doorway as the Royals filed back inside. William was carrying Louis.

As William neared the doorway, Louis spotted Charles and put out both his arms toward Charles, clearly wanting to go over to be held by Charles. Charles had this huge, big smile on his face as he reached to hold Louis.

I realized then that we were seeing a real relationship between the boy and his grandfather. I didn't ever recall seeing such a look of pure joy on Charles' face.

At the celebration today, I loved seeing Louis crossing over past Charlotte, George, William, and Camilla to climb into Charles' lamp and Charles putting his arms around Louis and pointing out things in the parade.

Nice to see such a close relationship between the two.

That should be "lap", not "lamp.

Louis brought a much-needed bit of fun and life to proceedings – he fulfilled his role admirably.

George is very serious, and Charlotte seems a bit of a bossy goody two shoes – which is all well and good. But they need at least one to have a bit of a spirit about him, and if it’s the youngest, so much the better. He’ll probably calm down anyway, but if he ends up being a little bit wild at points, no real harm is done, just so long as he stays loyal to his father and brother.

A private jet? How much does that cost (is Charles paying?) And how green of Harry.

It really was sweet to see the genuine family bonds and affection.

Charles is clearly a loving father-in-law to Catherine and enjoys being a grandfather. The children are close with their extended family, which will be a source of strength for them through life.

I do wish things were different with H&M, but strongly suspect she is a narcissist and he's in a state of arrested development.

Oh, god, how long before Muriel flushes the Royal-obsessed frau trash off this site?!

"But Harry, if we leave before the celebration is over, aren't we going to seem petulant?"

It's official. I love Prince Louis.

I was a holy terror at four. There are home movies to prove it. Louis gets a total pass from me. Someone upthread posted a photo of Louis kissing Kate and resting his head on her shoulder. She is looking straight ahead with an inscrutable expression and ignoring his affection. She did not like his shushing her. But how can anybody be bothered by his enthusiasm? This is probably the first event he will remember. And Charlotte will never let him forget it.

UK here. It’s over now. Time to stop all the Shinto.

Americans are in love with the Queen and the whole royal soap opera. We don't see all the anti-monarchists and debates as to their legitimacy because we love the institution and have watched from across the pond as the family has changed and grown.

There are very few anti-monarchists in the UK, r204, and there isn't any debate as to their legitimacy.

R124 I thought he looked like Andrew!

OMG! Elderly fat gay men clucking their tongues and clutching their pearls over a 4 year old acting like....a 4 year old.

He's adorable.

I felt sorry for poor Kate...she had to be on constant guard to keep him from complete meltdown while keeping an eye on the other two who are still very young, too. That's a lot of fucking stress.

As for dumb comments that the older two never misbehaved like that, they were never at this many public engagements at this young of an age in such a short span of time. Apparently someone made the call that ALL three kids had to be seen this week, even the 4 year old. The Royals normallly keep them under wraps for the most part until they're older and ready to handle the scrutiny.

Someone definitely wanted to portray the direct heirs all together as much as possible.

There isnt a parent on the planet who hasn't had the same experience with a feisty four year old who has been overstimulated. The people trying to make hay out of this are just trying to eke out some hate for Kate amidst what was clearly a huge triumph for the Cambridges (who went on to greet and mingle with people at a nearby street party in Kensington after the pageant and balcony appearance). Following, remember, a glaring take-down by the monarchy AND the public, at last, of the Sussexes.

The KGTs have tried to put up at least 5 threads on this meaningless and universally familiar parental experience. I've put every one one ignore.

The Jubilee was a huge success for the Queen, the monarchy, for the start of Charles' reign, and especially for the Cambridges.

It buried the Sussexes and any public future for them in Britain. There is no "open door". Every piece of bullshit the tabloids printed (probably all leaked by the Sussex PR machine) about olive branches, healed rifts, the brothers talking to each other regularly, the Queen at the kids' birthday party, the secret royal christening, Charles planning to shoehorn the Sussexes back in as working royals . . . All made up out of whole cloth and debunked in an eyeblink by the Queen's savvy calls.

Polls in Scotland still don't support a breakaway. Sturgeon just asked Westminister for a huge sum of money beyond its usual enormous funding via the Barnett Formula. Despite Sinn Fein's win at the nationals in May, there is even less support in NI electorate for rejoining the Irish Republic than there is in Scotland for leaving. The Scots are nothing if not only too aware that it isnt going to be Denmark-On-The-Tweed. The EU doesn't look as shiny as it used to, either, and disease, economic alarms, and an alarming war on Europe's doorstep causing global realignments don't favour small economically vulnerable nations leaving a G7 nation to chance it out alone in the Big Bad World. Scotland isn't Australia or Canada. Sturgeon is well aware of this, and it's no acccident that she was careful to show up at the Jubilee concert.

Reports of the death of the British monarchy and he imminent breakup of the UK, as always, have been greatly exaggerated.

That it is holding together is the real achievement of the small woman in hats, gloves, and pearls.

The Sussexes should have known better than to think they could take her on, or that if it came to a choice between the monarchy and his son, Charles, however regrettably, would choose the monarchy.

I think the Queen gave the Sussexes every chance, and the Sussexes blew them all.

I doubt they want to come back at this point. They'll be able, if they're careful, to shore up some private relationship with Charles, but little more than that, and even that depends on Harry's little memoir.

Meet the new Edward and Wallis, same as the old Edward and Wallis.

I think the family has had a warning about what’s in the Harry “memoir” and that’s why it was so chilly over there.

The BRF is battening down the hatches.

Well, if you want to go down that path: Prince George is already exhibiting the qualities of the Destined Heir. Princess Charlotte may look like the Queen, but is clearly Princess Anne's Mini-Me, whilst Prince Louis, God defend the Cambridges, may be Harry's.

Just think what a wonderful relationship Harry and his kindred spirit nephew could have had if only ... if only ... if only ... if only.

Louis is 4, r210. Anyone who's spent any time around a 4 year old will tell you that there is nothing odd or unusual about his behaviour.

The wonderful relationship Louis could have had is with his cousin Archie. In fact, Louis and both his siblings could have had a wonderful time growing up with Archie and his sister - although it's Archie and Lilibet who are really missing out on a life that is rightfully theirs.

The timing of that flight back meant he couldn't even watch his grandmother's last great public appearance on TV even. That's extraordinary.

Not really. He doesn't give a shit about the institution of the monarchy except in how it can enrich him, otherwise he would have stayed or at least not trashed them.

And so many people here sound like they have an unrealistic idea of what family relationships are supposed to be like. So many people are writing that they expect them to be close and loving. In reality a lot of families have a lot of indifference, civil tolerance or even acrimonious relationships between members in them.

Exactly r214, but at the end of the day family comes together for great grandma's special day. They do the small talk, catch up with uncles and cousins they only ever seen at these events, hate being there but also enjoy being there. We know family relationships aren't all close and loving. But, at the end of the day, family is family. Harry and Meghan could have made a bit more of an effort. Fucking off back to California - in a private plane! - after just 2-3 days and when the jubilee events were still ongoing is ridiculously obnoxious and passive-aggressive.

R215 Yeah, I agree. Why even come if they're going to do that? They are very much self-interested - they want to have their cake and eat it without putting in the boring stuff that comes with being a public servant (essentially). It makes me laugh that 'liberal' Meghan and Harry who claim they want privacy and freedom took the titles and had the big wedding and have continued to try to be celebs in the public view. Pure cakeism. I wish they would just go away.

What I don’t understand is how Meghan still justifies wearing Dior couture…even Harry, who up until now never had to look at or worry about a bill must surely be thinking ‘do we really need to be spending $$$$ on haute couture?’. Kate regularly wears semi-affordable stuff but Meghan will NEVER miss an excuse to wear designer and play the red carpet fashion star fantasy out. With money arguments being one of the biggest causes of relationship breakdowns…I wonder how it plays out behind closed doors…maybe not now …but as the years go on and the Valentino’s, Diors, Carolina Herrera, Givenchy, Italian cashmere etc etc piles up. Ironically there are many many other beautiful clothes out there that may look better on her…but she wants to wear ‘Dior couture darling’

I wonder what their tax situation is now that they live in California, Harry is a resident so he has to pay his taxes in the USA

R216. Agreed. The way liberal American politicians and media (I consider myself liberal) slobbered over Harry and Meghan was obscene. Apparently, liberals are highly offended when people of high birth and the people who marry them are not granted sufficient titles, sufficiently laudatory press coverage, sufficient money to maintain a mansion in exchange for no work, and sufficient political influence.

I felt like asking their American advocates, why don’t you put your money where you mouth is and provide to these two high born people all the things the British public was too racist and unenlightened to give them?. Create America.n titles for them, let them lead their pick of national events, censor the press on their behalf, and give them a platform to voice the political views.

R217 Also a private plane. That must cost a bomb too. Prince Harry is known to be quite cheap (Cressida Bonas said that he expected her to pay 50/50 for everything) so you may be onto something unless they're burning through their money or Charles is paying behind the scenes.

[quote] The Queen's children never behaved like this at four years old and nor did William or Harry.

No, they waited till they were 20 and dressed up in Natzi uniforms.

Remember how everyone loved Andrew and how fun/charming he was?

It's a point, R222. In the end, people actually want the Royal Family to be - I don't say dull - but dutiful, predictable and at most, warm and sometimes tactile. A little goes a long way. The excessive characters always get ground up in the end.

At the family dinner, we were joking how my then-4-year-old brother behaved EXACTLY like Louis at that age. When the youngest comes along, like my brother (last of three like Louis) the parents aren’t as strict or careful or overprotective, they had some practice and known kids will be fine. So the kids are more free to do what they want. My brother, now a successful lawyer, straightened out about 7 years old, after he started school and interacted with teachers and fellow students to. It really is idiotic to assume Louis is anything but rambunctious.

Are you seriously comparing Louis to Andrew, r222?

^ Louis was seen with a 2year old girl..You know what that means!!

R207 I am not fat!

I think R222's point is the tabloids always need a villain for the piece. Andrew obviously exceeded expectations. But most of them have played that part to one degree or another at points - Margaret, Philip, Anne, Fergie, Andrew (when he was just a boor.) Charlotte and Louis will have some difficult moments I imagine. The Maul, like the cockroaches, shows evidence of surviving almost anything. As does our curiosity.

Though the thing is, maybe they do earn back a kind of modern deference under William. The Cambridges seem to get it. They are not flashy, they are not greedy, they are not compensating for not enough love in their childhoods. They may be able to steer the ship to a point of respectability again where the monarchy just rolls along, playing its part. It comes down to how well raised the Cambridge children are and how they are managed in role.

To me the monarchy is coming out of an adjustment phase - the last vestiges of the Victorian/Edwardian monarchy are fading. It's the details. The "gray men" have been replaced largely by a professional pool of candidates who aren't from the aristocracy. There is more skin-colour diversity in staff. The Duke of Cambridge doesn't go to every engagement in a suit and tie. Last night, the Queen was on the balcony in a hat, but Camilla and Kate weren't. At the weekend, Kate and William posed with people in selfies and in one, one of the people had his arm around Kate's back and it looked like she had her's around him. There's talk Charles intends to adjust the coronation ceremony (though after the weekend I think you can count on a pretty big affair... people liked it. Most of the nation was engaged, and most proud. It all felt very British again and these days, with so much change being rushed and forced, to feel something of what you knew, or to feel part of what you might not have, was powerful.)

So maybe things change. They won't get rid of the Order of the Garter but maybe the ancient robes go away and it becomes a more suit and tie affair. I bet William's installation as Prince of Wales becomes a less ritualistic affair (which was all invented for purpose anyway) and becomes a more respectful engagement focused on the people of Wales, rather than the royalty.) I get no sense of William's interest in horses or racing... maybe the Derby and Ascot become less prominent. I dunno.... I just get the sense modest change is afoot with more emphasis on monarchy as about participating in the daily or real life of the country and pulling back on the formality and ritual that seems about the royalty rather than the people of the country.

Be sure to sign up for my new Master Class! (Sorry for banging on I just like to theorize when there's a to do list I don't want to do.)

Whatever the case, this weekend's jubilee was a welcome break (at least in the US) from talking about high gas prices, baby formula, mass shootings & the repigs craven responses. It was as much about passing the torch to the next generation as it was celebrating QEII, who looked so touched when everyone was saying "God Save The Queen" when she was on the balcony on Sunday, though god knows she's heard it a million times. It was heart warming to see Brits, for whatever their internal troubles, turn out to celebrate their country as much as celebrating the Queen.

And as for young Master Louis: on Sunday, everyone was talking about his antics & *not* the Harkles (or their absence), so even though poor Kate is probably laying in bed with a migraine today, mission accomplished!

I'd like to know what R207's demographic is, given they know on sight we are elderly fat gay men. R207 seems like a really pleasant person.

I think the reaction to Louis is kind of a testament to the power of the Queen. She scolds when you're not up to her mark.

This goes a way to explaining the affection between the cousins.

A recap

That clip demonstrates that even the Queen is a better actor than Meghan.

Low bar.

Looking at R233's recap, and the way the Duke of Kent is so unsteady on his feet, I will be most surprised if he outlives his cousin the Queen.

R207, if you think it’s gay men, elderly or otherwise, that are “clucking their tongues and clutching their pearls” over the child’s antics, then your IQ must be written in the waistband of your panties…

[quote] Apparently, liberals are highly offended when people of high birth and the people who marry them are not granted sufficient titles, sufficiently laudatory press coverage, sufficient money to maintain a mansion in exchange for no work, and sufficient political influence.

Isn’t it strange?

Shoo Frauen.

I see she’s wearing heels to make her legs appear longer and slimmer R239

The Cambridges release some photos.

Another one.

The Harkles flouncing back to California in a snit before the celebrations were even over confirms that they didn't come for TQ, but to get content for their show.

Louis has his calm moments.

The kids were sugared up. Blame Zara with her purse full of sweets. LOL.

Classic:

"We all had an incredible time, especially Louis… 👀

W & C"

End of. Four being four.

Very wise to put it in context and shrug their shoulders. It will be a family joke for years to come.

I've finally figured it out.... George's look is Michael Middleton's face (and head of hair!) but he's got the heavy, Germanic eyes of Edward VII and Queen Victoria.

I had a busy week and was not able to watch the festivities live so I’m great full for all of the links and chatter here on DL which kept me updated.

From the jubilee I get a sense of a celebratory closure and this makes me sad because even though I am an American I have watched the royal family with all its drama for decades.

I still remember watching princess Diana marrying the prince of wales as a child and being besotted with all of the royal pageantry, on a sadder note I recall Diana’s death, I stayed up all night to watch her funeral.

I watched the clip of the queen on the balcony for the closing of the jubilee and it was evident that she was not well and that this was a goodbye of sorts to her people and the world, it brings tears to my eyes just to think about it. She has served her nation with a dedication that no politician could ever hope match.

When they played God Save The Queen at the last balcony appearance, I couldn't help notice that Her Majesty's eyes were watering up.

R248, yes the Hanover eyes keep popping (pun intended) up. Not with all the Royal Family but in a big way with some down the generations. Wills has it. The worse case right now is Lord Freddie Windsor and the York sisters.

Yes r250, she was obviously emotional and moved at the events that had been put on and the love of the people, especially with her heirs around her. It must be a weird feeling, to have lived that remarkable life, to represent something that you know you have served well and provided for its future while at the same time knowing that you will soon be saying goodbye to it all.

I think it's evident she is very old and frail with age but I don't see not well. I just don't. If anything, she surprises me with how animated she is when she does appear in public. It's the pain of movement seems to be ailing her.

However, I know better than to stand in the way of DL's black crows turned burgeoning pool of medical experts, who've diagnosed successfully diagnosed imminent fatal illness many times over the last few years, everything from grief-related death to dementia to incontinence and, moving elsewhere, autism in all three of the Cambridge children.

It's the new casket dance. There's a contingent finds happiness in her death. (My own diagnosis, though I would argue there's a trail of symptoms to support it.)

Fetish on.

R248, George is the spit of his great-uncle Charles and his great-grandfather John, with a bit of the old Windsor chops.

R214 So true. I only speak to one sibling now. The rest are dead to me.

A somewhat creepy portrait of the Queen. If she's wearing rubies, we need them in color.

254 Agree about Charles Spencer. George seems to have the Spencer upward gaze. You don’t see much of the Spencers these days.

Trying again with a pic of John Spencer.

Meghan wasn't the only one to have a makeup team. Bea and Huge did too. How tacky to show them.

George in about 60 years, if he leads an unhealthy lifestyle.

I see nothing of the Spencers in George. Just can't see it.

Jesus, Baytriss looks 3D.

The Queen's eyes look moist. Scroll for photos of Eugenie's son August.

R263, Edo's older kid, Wolf, is sitting next to Beatrice in the fifth pic. It's great that he's part of the wider family and Beatrice has a good relationship with him.

I don't believe gummy Baytriss is able to close her mouth.

Louis isn't the only child to throw a tantrum in public. See attached site with video.

Louis is a four year old boy who had his routine disrupted for multiple days, and it brought out the worst in him at times.

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In R242's link, scroll down. There's a video of Mike holding his bewildered little son Lucas while bopping with Zara.

R266, a 2 yr old and a tantrum. Louis is 4 and did more than throw a tantrum. He behaved very disrespectfully towards his mother. People writing anecdotes about their brothers and kids behaviors as children are missing the key point, they aren’t super rich, famous and Royal. This child will always grow up in privilege that very few of us know and be indulged. This is the type of kid that will be (and probably already does) ordering servants around his whole life and driving a Ferrari at 16.

Title of the Time article at R266: "Princess Charlotte Shows She's Just Like Other Kids as She Throws a Mini Tantrum".

Sir, you may be just like other sub-editors, but I certainly am NOT just like "other kids".

Subjects, I do apologise for Louis's behaviour. He has been Skyping Prince Oskar again.

DL’s love for Charlotte, secretly plotting to take the throne, has been the only bright spot in these royal threads. Gives me a chuckle.

R269, you've never spent more than 5 minutes in the company of a small child, right?

Ah... And, so the damage control begins.

I did not watch Miss Ross. How did it go overall?

Even if she was lip-syncing, she’s 70 something years old and has been singing live since she was in her teens. Clearly she was using a vocal track to help because her voice was crystal clear at some point when I know her vocals are too damaged from age to be that clear.

Picking on a 70 year old is really fucking odd. Especially a legend that’s been singing live, good or bad, for over 60 fucking years. The nerve. 😡

^It was not one of her better performances. Okay, she's 78 but that's not an excuse. To me, she came across as taking the opportunity for granted rather than really working to prepare for it. Her attitude (well, to me anyway) was; "I am Diana Ross."... She wore a dress that she could not navigate--although, looking at it now it photographs quite nicely and I guess there were some technical difficulties. But, she looked great!

I find the Jubilee to have been an unqualified success . I hope the Queen can get up to Balmoral for a relaxing summer. Her core family did a great job of supporting her throughout . Special kudos to the Cambridges . Superb.

Leaving early was yet another misstep for the California Crew. No guarantees it would work, but everyone must be in a good mood from the success of the Jubilee. Should've stuck around for a few days to try and get a foot in the door.

I don’t pretend to know why they left early but the booing and ice out by the family must have made it clear that they were only invited because he is the son of the future king and not inviting him would have been obviously bad press.

Harry can’t be content with how things went down, he now knows just how bad things are, but maybe he doesn’t care.

Waking up this morning and I think it’s only just hit me! Diana Ross closed the most important concert in British history!! An occasion never to be repeated again 😮 🎉❤️

Where the hell was Shirley Bassey? Even before the Beatles she brought Britain to America via the James Bond theme. I suppose she's too old to sing now (at 85) at would probably refuse to sing to a track like Miss Ross. Hope she's well.

I know Sir Elton was in a wheel barrel, er wheelchair, but I suspect the real reason they didn't allow him to appear live was they couldn't risk him going off script and making some horrible joke like "From one old queen to another..."

We've seen photos of M&H with the Tindall and Phillips daughters through a window at Trooping of the Colour, and we've seen photos of the Cambridge kids with Mia Tindall and Beatrice watching from a window. We've also seen a photo of Kate and kids standing at a different window (apparently the Major General's office). But if all these windows are in the same building... isn't it possible that the Cambridges (minus William) were near H&M at some point?

^Scroll down for photos of Kate and kids (could not link in comment above)

Just imagine the Sliding Doors version of Meghan and Harry leaving the UK. In the alternate version, the decide to leave, but on good terms with the family who publicly wish them well. M&H do not go on Oprah, do not pretend to be a rival house, and just go about their business of sucking up to corporate overlords and making money will maintaining a good relationship with the British family.

They are able to attend BRF events, get loads of cheers, invites to great events, wear all the clothes, and not have the pressure of being on the top tier. At the Jubilee they could have had a fun, relaxed time with all of Harry's cousins while his brother did the heavy lifting. They could have had Welcome Back Harry headlines and enjoyed the warm reception of the British people. At the end of the weekend, they could have happily said goodbye to everyone, left with a smile on their face, and gone back to making money and being celebrities. Astonishing how they messed it all up.

Damage Control #3 (Diana Ross)

Now that Diana Ross performance at the Queen's Jubilee is over. The Talk now is about her dress. As we know, Ms Ross loves her dresses to have lots of frills, layers and movement. It may not have been the wisest choice to wear a dress that makes the floor underneath you disappear. She may not have been aware of this until she actually wore the dress on stage. That's why her son, Evan, helped her onto the stage and why she looked unsure of herself walking down the stairs. Some thought it was a mobility issue but I think it's more of a dress issue.

Her dress reminds me of those crocheted dolls on the extra toilet roll. But she looks good.

One problem, R285: under your scenario, they have nothing to sell because they've given up peddling grievance.

You’d think with the huge show budget that they would have installed a stair lift for her to use.

The more I learn I don’t even think that Harry’s kids were in England with them.

Louis being wiggly and making faces is typical kid stuff. But putting his hand over his mother’s mouth and thumbing his nose at her is naughty and not normal behavior. I have a couple very active young nieces and nephews and they wouldn’t get away with treating their mom like that. I do realize Kate’s hands were tied with disciplining him in public.

R285 Meghan and Harry's problem is they frequently ignore the advice of experienced advisors and given into their worst instincts. We now know that even before they were married, the Queen offered them an out, allowing them to go out and do their own thing. The price of that, allegedly was that they would have to have a private family wedding and Harry wouldn't have received a Dukedom...They promised the Queen they were committed to public life. Then by 2019, they were already negotiating their departure with the Palace but rather than wait the months it would require to figure out the security and financial implications, they jumped the gun and posted their departure on IG without telling the Queen. Then the Oprah interview which was their largest miscalculation. The minute they publicly attacked the royals they were unwittingly separating themselves from the institution in a way that will likely never be repaired. It's also shows how much Oprah's influence has dwindled too. If this had been 20 years ago, her endorsement of Meghan and Harry would have made them, now it's done nothing to help really.

In the span of four days, the Sussexes were openly demoted to second-row unimportant royals, were not even allowed to be in the same shot as senior royals and by Sunday, the world's attention was on the Cambridge kids. Rather than enhancing their brand, the Sussexes come out more irrelevant than ever. And now even some of their favourite press outlets are questioning why the bothered to even attend the jubilee at all. It again contradicts (they are nothing if not great at contradicting themselves though) their "pitch" that the royals are a bunch of cold-hearted racists who nearly drove Meghan to suicide and who are denying their children their birthrights. Meanwhile their Twitter mob is busy attacking a four year old child and a woman dying on cancer, while the rest of the world is clearly moved on.

I'm sure the leaking from camp Sussex will begin this week. We'll be told how much the Queen loved meeting her namesake, and how all the royals flocked to Lilibet's birthday party....but the truth is, they have been shut out completely. There is no longer a place for Meghan and Harry, there will be no return to public life in the UK.

If you can come up with that, R291, the Bowers book will be fascinating... so much I'd forgotten - i.e. the offer of being out, but no, no, we'll stay in.... until we don't. His book I'm buying hard cover.

R289, there are so many references to her comfort and long journeys... it makes you wonder if part (or most) of the problem isn't strength and steadiness, but pain? I don't know but getting her some place seems to be the least of the problems. That balcony appearance last night was about 2:30 minutes of standing, before she headed back in. The video at link gives you a good sense of the crowd's roar.

Louis, again, pretty funny from the 2:00 mark.

All hail Prince Louis, the little face-pulling, raspberry-blowing, mother-baiting pre-schooler. His antics on the Buckingham Palace balcony and in the royal box during the Jubilee Pageant rivalled only Paddington Bear in scene-stealing appeal.

Cheeky, mischievous and naughty are just three of the adjectives that have been applied to his performance. There can’t be a parent alive who isn’t glad that they haven’t had to control a four-year-old in the full glare of the world’s attention – that tantrum one of mine threw at an airport in front of a coincidental audience of neighbours was bad enough.

His confident disdain for politeness is perhaps just part of his age – not to mention the fact his life has been spent in the weird world of Covid and lockdowns, which has left children, according to a report published in March, markedly less prepared for the social niceties of primary school. But for my money, Louis is in fact displaying the classic personality of the third-born and youngest.

The accepted wisdom of birth order is that the oldest are the responsible and anxious ones, the middle ones are people-pleasers and the youngest are feckless risk-takers. As a child, Prince William was once described as always looking like he was on the verge of tears, while Prince Harry looked like he was about to burst out laughing.

The birth order stereotype seems to be playing out again with the Cambridge trio. George already gives the impression of bearing the weight of history, preternaturally serious in his suits. Charlotte, the middle born, tells her younger brother when he needs to wave at the crowds. Louis might share that spectacularly neat side parting and those old-fashioned clothes with George, but little else in his demeanour.

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Ombid Scobie delete his post criticizing Prince Louis LOL!

The official royal channel has finally uploaded the full Paddington Bear clip.

That vignette is touching. Ma'am has great timing.

R297... interesting how things kicked up here today too.

[quote]Meanwhile their Twitter mob is busy attacking a four year old child and a woman dying on cancer,

Who is dying of cancer?

Dan Wootton just confirmed on GB News that Meghan and Harry WERE scheduled to attend the Guildhall Lunch but just didn't show up. Apparently there were multiple reception rooms and each royal couple was assigned to a room. That meant the room Harry and Meghan were supposed to go to had no royals in attendance.

"Why, Harry, it's so nice to see you again. Please, do sit down and let me introduce you. I think you know Angela? Yes, over there, with the Chesire cat grin."

I think Wootton is misinformed. Harry and Meghan are not working royals, and the Guildhall reception would have been inappropriate - especially given their exclusion from the balcony and their seating in St Paul's

No one in their right mind would have assigned the two pariahs who trashed the monarchy on Oprah to represent it on such an occasion.

Wootton is not above saying anything he thi ks will further smear the Harkles. All he had to say is that some insider told him and he knows no one will deny or confirm.

I loathe Harry and Meghan. But the idea that people in one room would have drawn this short straw and not been outraged is fantasy.

I'm calling bullshit on Wootton's info. The Sussexes were clearly prevented from any semblance of representing the monarchy, and of any opportunity to approach the Cambridges. Why the fuck would they have given them a chance at signaling that they are still representing the monarchy?! William would never have stood for it.

By any logic on view over those two days, the Sussexes were not invited.

Wootton is either lying or his source sucks.

I think when England looks back over the last few days they will feel an enormous empathy for Harry because of what everyone put him through. Those few who talked to him will be lauded. And those who didn't will be judged unkind.

^. Not likely. What did he put them through in the two years prior. Fucking hell.

Is the whole UK hungover today?

The Times contradicts Wooton: On the downside, from a brand-building point of view, they weren’t invited to a lunch at Buckingham Palace after Trooping the Colour. On the plus side, they were invited to a lunch at Guildhall after the service at St Paul’s, but didn’t go. Were they worried that only Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie, and Zara and Mike Tindall would speak to them?

I struggle to believe The Times was right about them not being invited to lunch after the Trooping.

It's clear that the Sussexes bring chaos, play games wirh people, and LIE

Assuming you're serious, r305, Harry blabbed to Gayle King a private discussion, post-Oprah interview, he had with William.

She, of course, alluded to it on the air saying their discussion was "not productive".

What does that tell you? It should tell you that if you're William, Kate or Charles, you simply cannot trust Harry not to repeat or allude to conversation you've had with him to a 3rd party.

Or, let's say you do converse with Harry without Markle there, he mentions it to Markle, then she'll drag it out of Harry and spin it.

The self-inflicted damage that Oprah interview did is real. It has consequences. And one of them is that they cannot be trusted to keep their yaps shut.

I don't think there is any coming back from that.

British officials certainly know what happened, if only because they'd know if that Sunday flight was suddenly booked at short notice. Reasonable to assume too they'd have a good idea what was going on at Frogmore Cottage.

R305 You keep telling yourself that, mate.

What we remember is the vicious lies poor ole' Harry told about his family whilst his grandfather was dying.

Please-get me a violin to play to the tears for Harry who had to face a couple of days of the righteous opprobrium he escaped for so long by staying 6,000 miles away.

What Harry put his grandmother, father, and brother through over the last two years dwarfs the 48 hours of discomfort he faced over the weekend.

Him and his private jet.

R310 Della, did you enjoy the Jubilee?

If it's true they didn't get invited to lunch at BP after the Trooping, they're getting the full Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

They will surely send some toady out with a leak denial?

For “toady” read “Omid Scobie”.

If Harry was really sincere in his desire to walk away from his Royal Life and pleased and happy with his new life, he would not have cared WHERE he sat in St. Paul's last week.

But, it seemed pretty clear that he was really pissed off because he was seated on the other side of the aisle, etc.

Harry and his wife were seated directly behind his uncle, aunt and cousins. He was seated beside other cousins on both sides. He was seated around all family members.

If he was happy with his life and glad to be out of Royal Life, as long as he was there to celebrate his grandmother's life, he wouldn't have cared about the seating arrangements.

But he cared. Boy, did he care.

Every moment, r313.

Did I hear correctly what Lady C said at r302 link?

H&M were suppose to take a bus back with the lesser royals, but they deliberately were late and ended up in their own car (the vid were only Zara were talking to them)

^ The Times said the Queen elected they should have their own car.

Arguably, if she's as forgiving as they say, this feels a bit like Margaret to her. She probably understood how Harry would feel about his reduced status, even as she signed off on it because he'd chosen it.

A private car to the church and back is hardly a major perk.

I agree R211. What I find the saddest about all of this is that Archie and Lili won't grow up with their extended family in the UK. Clearly Meghan isn't close to her side of the family, so her kids won't have those connections either. Say what you will about the Windsors, but they've always struck me as very close-knit. William, Harry, Peter, Zara, Bea and Eugie were great friends growing up and it looks like all of their kids already have that same closeness. It was really cute seeing the little second cousins interacting with each other throughout the festivities. It's a shame Archie and Lili may not be a part of that.

I interpreted the car sent by the Queen as protection from Sussexes recording people. Same wirh keeping them away from after-Trooping lunch.

Pleez , the only time the old skinflint bitch shed a tear is when they took away her yacht.

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I've been following Deborah James' Instagram for years, and I was delighted that Prince William made a personal visit (last-minute as she's only been home from hospital for a few days after giving up all treatment) - he made her a Dame, right there on her back garden. I didn't know it could be done that way - maybe he did it as an emissary of the Queen ??

Very kind gesture. Maybe I'm not as much of a republican as I thought -- in the British sense only! I'm an American whose very proud to have never voted for an American-style Republican in my life!

R325 How did you come to follow her instagram?

* who's very proud...

I need to go to bed.

Good luck, Deborah! She's been through so much agony these last days.

And to R326, a very close loved one has a similar condition so she's helped me cope.

What am I even saying - "Good luck" to someone who has no hope to keep on living. I guess I wish her luck that they keep her pain under as much control as possible and that she passes in her sleep, or at least, without any more agony.

Klan Grannies: STOP ATTACKING A FOUR YEAR OLD.

Also Klan Grannies: Lili is ugly, special, cross-eyed, born by surrogate...

[QUOTE] It was really cute seeing the little second cousins interacting with each other throughout the festivities. It's a shame Archie and Lili may not be a part of that.

Nope. That kind of interaction is toxic as hell, with the Cambridge spawn pulling rank and being spiteful little cunts. Archie and Lili will be making friends with the Californian children they go to school with.

[quote]Archie and Lili will be making friends with the Californian children they go to school with.

Megs keeps her chilidren (and those around her) isolated as part of her total control jones. Her children will be making at best casual acquaintances, if that. They will not enjoy a life/interaction anything like their English second cousins

And the deranged KGT has emerged from another drunken stupor to post R329 and R330.

I see you, Klan Granny Troll. We all do, and we’re laughing at you. Again.

The Sun:

"The Sussexes introduced their daughter Lilibet to her great-grandmother for the first time on Thursday afternoon, The Sun understands.

They wanted to bring a private snapper in to capture their first face-to-face meeting but were told “no”.

Lilibet was controversially named after the Queen’s childhood nickname, causing a storm amid claims Her Majesty was “told not asked” about the decision.

And Harry, 37, and Meghan, 40, scurried back to California on Sunday afternoon without a snap.

There were fears any photos of the Queen and Lilibet taken by the couple’s photographer would be shared by them with US telly networks.

They were kept at arm’s length by the royals during the Platinum Jubilee and left without any public appearances alongside the Queen, Charles, Camilla, William or Kate.

An insider said: “Harry and Meghan wanted their photographer to capture the moment Lilibet met the Queen.

“But they were told no chance. It was a private family meeting.”

Buckingham Palace did not want to comment."

R320 It's a symbolic perk. The bus means you're in the wagon with the people who don't rank high enough to merit individual transport, the Muggles of the royal family.

The more important people come and alight solo, instead of in a group.

Harry and Meghan know this. So their tardiness allowed them to arrive the way they believe their table should really warrant.

This backfired splendidly. If they'd known they would be booed, they would have taken the bus. In the milling crowd, there would have been less pompous We Matter Messaging. But much less chance of booing.

That's why when they left, they tried to get the Tindalls to come down the steps with them, the Tindalls are liked and would have given the Sussexes some cover. The way the crowd of second tier royals on the bus would have.

So, yes, arrival via the solo car is important. Even the York princesses arrived in solo cars, andbtheure 9th and 10th in line. Harry is sixth.

Style of thing, as these things are reckoned in those circles.

Then, Harry got an even bigger shock when shown to his seat . . . BEHIND the Wessexes, Kents, and Gloucestets, across the aisle from the Important People, next to the Yorks.

Sic transit gloria, ironically, the transit in a limo.

^*rank (not table)

Fucking lunatic autocorrect.

[quote] Sic transit gloria MUNDI

If they didn't take the bus, the RF should have said 'tough, you missed it'.

If they missed the minor royalty bus wasn't there a public one coming by they could have boarded?

The Paddington sketch was very sweet. He is a beloved character for generations of children in the UK.

[quote] A private car to the church and back is hardly a major perk.

It was a perk for the rest of the family on the bus.

Lilibet Diana. Red hair and blue eyes.

Meghan will be telling her children the same thing that r330 says. Oh, you don’t want to be part of that family, anyway. They think they’re better than you because you’re part black. They wouldn’t be nice to you, anyway. They’d just make you feel bad if you ever met them and it’s my job to protect you from people like that. It’s just the three of us now. We have to stick together, us against the world. No one will ever love you like I do.

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I used to think the KGT was just a remarkably persistent pest whose poverty and exclusion fuelled a kind of affinity with what it projected onto Markle, as well as a social anger driven by frustration. It would be a hard thing to live knowing it was never going to get any better for you. R330 proves it's actually someone with a genuine mental disturbance. Yikes.

r339,I loved that Basil Brush, The Clangers and Bill and Ben the Flowerpot men were in the parade. All my childhood favourites. Meaningless to those outside the uk probably.

" Bill and Ben the Flowerpot men" - Probably meaningless to anyone under the age of 70, r345.

R346 Have you forgotten were you are posting from?

R281

Shirley opened the BAFTAs a few months ago.

R283

So many missed opportunities for a good defenestration.

I noticed Kate was watching Louis very carefully on that balcony today. That balustrade is very low by today's standards and I think she saw a catapulting kiddie as a real possibility. (It's so low I worry about tall Kate standing near the edge in those stiletto heels.)

William was back at work as he attended an investiture at the Palace.

Has the jubilee weekend been officially touted as a Covid super spreader event yet? My partner works with a bunch of Londoners and many are calling out with positive tests today.

The Cambridges arrive at the Pageant. They had to walk a long way to get to their seats.

How come the person who photographed that was allowed to be in an ideal sniper position?

To get a good picture if something awful happens, Rose.

If Elizabeth is basically an upper class (gentry) country horse woman the Cambridges are basically a nice upper class suburban family. Kate's influence. And that's just perfect.

Charles, who I think is basically a good person, comes off as an eccentric.

Lady Colin Campbell talks about the Sussexes fury.

The Grannies are raging about photoshop and dolls like the Qanon freaks they are. They can't cope with blue-eyed Lilibet.

R345, I’m sure they all went through metal detectors.

The Queen's people were 100% right to keep a Sussex photographer away from the Queen. The "Lilibet meets Lilbet" was the Sussexes' money shot and they would've exploited it. The message to Harry and Meghan from the royals was very clear this weekend, you are private members of the family nothing more.

I'm sure this week is going to be filled with the Sussex people taking potshots at the royals in revenge.

God, Lady Colin is fucking annoying. I grant you, with what little she knows she'd be offering a :15 second video but Christ.

Thanks for Shirley Bassey's link! She's timeless. At her age, one wouldn't expect the power to still be there in her voice. Amazing!!

LOL... from Reddit

This cracks me up: Zara and Peter Philips do talk to Harry on the steps of St. Paul's but both ignore Meghan who is left doing her "move my lips so it looks like people are talking to me" thing. Peter totally turns his head away when she stats to talk to him. Mike Tindell and Princess Margaret's son (I forget his name ..whoops) don't even want to engage with H&M and stand far away. Then Zara lets Harry and Meghan descend the stairs solo. While there are cheers, you also start to hear the boos as they hit the first step, and Mike Tindall starts laughing.

Doesn't England still have even a little sympathy and affection for Harry? He was just slapped down on a global stage, completely disrespected by royals and commoners alike. People forget Harry's history and achievements -- serving in Afghanistan, creating the Invictus games and the 30 odd charities he supports. Meghan is Amber Heard and she's going down. The question is will she drag Harry all the way down with her?

[quote]The question is will she drag Harry all the way down with her?

Let's hope she doesn't take a shit on his bed.

In all seriousness, like Louis, Harry used to be the cute little monkey acting up to his parent's annoyance while serious William stood by. That, along with being the young boy walking behind his mother's casket, earned him tremendous good will and affection from people wanted the best for him. It's kind of sad to think that as a still relatively young man who served several years in the military, he's burned through all that good will

R365 if Harry and Meghan were to divorce I do think in time Harry could rebuild his image in the UK. There is still good will for him but it's been overshadowed by his outbursts and his "oh woe is me" attitude. Also without Palace PR, it's harder to ignore what a temperamental, egoistical loser he really is. People hate Meghan more because she's easy to see through.

Look at the different reactions of the Cambridge family to the antics of Louis.

Lady Colin Campbell should be the patron cunt of Datalounge!

According to Lady Colin Campbell the Harkles were purposely15 minutes late to the bus that was taking the second tier Royals to the church and missed the bus. They came in their own car so they could make an entrance. Since they didn't arrive with the rest of group and file into their seats as planned, that's what caused the kerfuffle with the Yorks having to get up and let them get to their seats like late arrivers to a movie theater who disrupt everyone. Edward was smirking and Sophie was shooting eye daggers.

In r364’s video, watch Meghan nudge Harry with her white vinyl folder at least twice, like “Let’s GO, you idiot”

Harry looks very uncomfortable. I’d do Mike Tindall in a heartbeat. He’s all man.

There’s also a moment where Zara walks closer to Harry and Meghan takes a half step forward and makes a little shooing gesture with her programme. She felt threatened by the advance. Zara did not feel the least bit uncomfortable, but Meghan and Harry were all nerves.

R365, I used to think so, but now I'm not so sure. I think people are wising up to the fact that Harry is the major destructive force behind the two of them. M is searching for celebrity, trying to be high profile, has dreams above her abilities, and is fairly transparent. Harry, on the other hand, is extremely damaged, is the one from the high profile family, has all the power and money, and is filled with resentment and jealousy. On her own she is just a grasping wannabe, but he is very very damaged. I think people are seeing that now. I live in the UK and I don't really see a way back for him.

R373 you are spot on. Harry is a very angry, very self destructive person who’s also of limited intelligence. Meghan was looking for stardom and definitely didn’t get what she bargained for. The only time Harry was “ok” was in the structured environment of the military. He’s been a loose cannon for a long time. Meghan can’t handle him. No one can.

R373 Shrewd observation. Not that Meghan doesn't exhibit some unpleasant personality aspects, but all she did was size up his issues, play to them, and get where she wanted to go.

But Harry's the one whose issues are central to this whole saga. Meghan lying about why her children weren't made HRHs at birth, but instead have to wait till Charles becomes King is, well - yeah, that's Meghan and no one is really surprised that she has no more respect for the monarchy, tradition, history, Britain, etc., than she does for anything else.

But Harry - for Harry, born to the purple, to sit there silently as she defames the family who really did try to help him, helped to hide his unpleasantness from the public, defame the Head of State and grandmother who had never shown him anything but affection and tolerance . . . that points to a twisted, angry, hopelessly damaged man with a penchant for cruelty.

Meghan must have quite the job ensuring that that traitorous cruelty is never turned on her. In her shoes, having seen what she's seen of him, I would be rather nervous.

I, personally, would never be sure that I was safe after watching what he did to his grandmother whilst his grandfather was dying, or to his father, and his brother.

Meghan's a shallow bitch facing professional oblivion and encroaching middle age with nothing to show for it but 6th on the call sheet on a dopey show that was fading, and her character being written out of it. Divorced, no kids . . . and on the shady side of 35.

Harry was the instrument of her salvation from early irrelevance.

Old Norwegian saying: "A very sharp weapon is also a danger to the hand that wields it."

Their failures are more than disappointing. In my view, they are also potentially dangerous, and more so for Meghan than anyone else. Because she is absolutely the one who assured him the world would be at their feet when they left.

If the ship goes on sinking, he's going to turn on her, and it won't be pretty.

Harry has really ruined his life. After Diana died Peter was there for him and so was Anne. He has thrown all that away. He is now totally irrelevant. I wonder how these two will make a living commensurate with what they are used to. I can't imagine any company or brand wanting anything to do with either of them.

You bitches are smart. Good observations r375, r374, r373,

One more note. A lot of people think the root of Harry’s problems is jealousy—he’s jealous of his brother specifically. That’s wrong. Harry thinks the institution itself—whatever you want to call it, the monarch, the BRF, the world he grew up in—is to blame for his unhappiness. He blames the institution (and the press) for his mother’s death. To him, the institution is rotten and the root of all that is bad that has happened to him. And his brother is one of its leading advocates. His brother has sided with the institution. That’s what has caused the rift.

Sorry I meant the monarchy at r378, not the monarch.

I think that things would have gotten to the boiling point with William and Harry eventually anyway. You could see that Harry didn't like being number two. He especially didn't like the idea of William being in a position to tell him what to do. Meghan Markle was chosen by Harry, a grenade he lobbed into the heart of his family. He knew exactly who and what she was. She was his ticket out. The two of them, since the marriage, were trying to one-up William and Kate. It was when they tried to one-up the Queen that things went South for them. The RF said "See ya later" and they ended up in California. Oprah was a huge mistake, and sealed their fate. They were shown exactly where they fit into the Royal Family of the future (they don't). People were shown that they don't have any mystical ties to the RF, there is no reconciliation between the brothers, and there probably won't be for a long time if ever. The rug was pulled from under their feet by the Queen in a very public way.

If it isn't the Queen specifically, who are the people that developed this excision plan and who are the people that executed it?

I don't think what was done to them - or, rather, how hey were treated - was anything that was scratched out on the back of a napkin. This was thoughtful and deliberate, covering all angles, possibilities, and eventualities.

Masterful. But who developed and executed the grand plan?

I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count!

R353 - Thanks so much for posting that. What a1:30 min vignette of the family! George lapel checks himself and straightens his jacket once walking away from the Land Rover. His father, in between dad duties getting him and sister Charlotte out, can't stop fidgeting with his top coat collar and tie. Kate swans by, perhaps anticipating the impending, eventual four year old drama, and saved her energies for later.

[quote]Masterful. But who developed and executed the grand plan?

My guess is Anne, perhaps even at the behest of her mother, and surrounded by 'Grey Suits'.

Anne has game, just sayin'

[quote]My guess is Anne, perhaps even at the behest of her mother, and surrounded by 'Grey Suits'.

It may even have been Philip's final request to Anne; "Take that Markle woman down!"

I read....that Anne designed the St. Paul's Cathedral Experience. Well done. Of course the overall flat-out no holds barred strategy had to have been made by tbe Monarch and heirs.

R386 No, people like Anne and her mother don't want to be responsible for sticking the knife in. That's why they have the MiGSs, aides who can instinctively read them and know what is to be done, without a word being spoken.

If Charles does indeed have a special little bond with Louis, I wonder if he thinks of his late uncle Louis Mountbatten, to whom he was so close.

Harry is 37. His issues can no longer be attributed to the stupidity of youth. The cloth has been cut. These are major character flaws he has. It's who he is without the filter and photoshop the BRF provided.

Apparently the Sussexes invited the Cambridges to Lilibet's impromptu birthday party, nevermind that everyone's scheduled a year in advance:

Is it true? They didn't get a photo of Lilibet meeting the Queen?

They might have technically invited the Cambridges but knew perfectly well they wouldn’t come. Harry is no doubt beside himself at how everyone shunned him and his D-list slag and will do his best to get revenge. His little peabrain is fired up now.

"I'm sorry to ask ma'am, but could you leave your phone here before meeting Her Majesty? Yes, Lilibet's phone, too."

She requested to be accompanied by her personal photographer for a picture of the two Lilibet's first meeting. The Queen said no.

Nothing happens without the Queen's approval. Anne would have had nothing to do with this. This was down to Charles, William, and the Queen. Their staff may have organised the plans, but those plans were carrying out the wishes of the three major players. The plans included William's insistence that his brother and sister in law be kept away from him. Left to him, they would not have been there at all.

So the Queen's wishes to show the family not excluding the "much loved members of the family" prevailed, but tempered with the insistence of the still angry Charles and William that the two not be treated as if nothing had happened. And, with the news of the Netflix "reality show", that the Sussexes be prevented from using the Jubilee and the Queen and senior royals for commercial gain.

Those three were the only people whose opinions mattered. The entire family knew it and knew that the arrangements represented those three people's wishes.

And that's why they all froze the Sussexes out publicly. No one was going to cross those lines.

Fuck all that shit about Anne and the courtiers.

You saw the power of the Queen, Charles, and William in this.

And so did the Sussexes.

What r395 said.

"Keep your friends close but your enemies closer" doesn't apply here.

I think you're all overlooking Louis' role in all this. He slapped his own mother in public, for God's sake.

R389 Thank you! At some point people got to wake up and realize Harry is a 37 year old father of two. He is long past they point where he is allowed to blame his family for his woes.

The royals have totally killed the Sussex brand with kindness (at least in the UK). While the put on the graces of being good hosts, they were completely frozen out of anything that could've possible raised their profile. The message from the Queen was yes they are private members of the royal family but they are no longer part of the monarchy and they will not make a single pound off any active connection to us. Now, if Harry released a scathing memoir, it's just going to make him look even more petty. It's also going to damage their ability to get work I think. It was made clear, they have no connection to the working of the royals, and clearly the British public are now indifferent which means it's less likely their products are going to sell.

I also don't have confidence in their "sellablity" in the US. Apparently, People magazines with Harry and Meghan on the cover were their worst selling editions of the past 24 months.

R397, i used to attend a large church regularly (don’t blame me, my mother made me go). Every Sunday, the church atrium was full of mothers with crying, screaming, squirmy, spazzy kids. And yes, the kicked, screamed and hit their mothers on occasion. That’s what they do. That’s why I don’t have any. Btw, I know several kids who were like this, and they’re lovely adults.

The problem was that Kate had nowhere to go. Under normal circumstances she would have picked Louis up and taken him away to calm down. Actually that’s probably a lesson learned—they will have a backup plan like that if they’re ever in a similar situation.

R399: it was a joke. The previous speculation about Anne, ciurtiers, Big Dog William... I was just throwing the tiny time bomb in, in jest.

Got it. R400…hah sometimes it’s hard for me to pick up on sarcasm.

How soon till some Anorak collecting numbers gives MI & DM the numbers on that Russian private jet. Wonder who the owner will turn out to be? You know if DM or page 6 find out, it will be plastered everywhere.

God, I would love to be a fly on the wall at Montshitto & at Netflix & the Publishers.

^ Sorry hit post too fast..Also meant to add.

Wonder if Penguin Random House & Netflix have big, itchy red bites all over them? Lie dog with dogs, wake up with fleas. and they do bite.

R387 unless you have a source for your idea that some variation of Queen/Charles/Will left the decision about the freeze-out to the "courtiers," I'll continue to give credit to the principals.

R404 Can you really picture HM and Charles looking over a plan of the cathedral then chuckling nastily together as they agree, "Let's put them.HERE."

I think it's really sad for the Queen and for Charles. And William's just pissed off and disgusted. I think the grey suits really did plan with a vague outline of 'protect the institution at all costs -- sadly' (unless William stepped in and started shouting that the plan needed to be brutal enough to actually work)

It's well known that the Royal Family hire PR strategists. The Queen has her own, Wills and Kate their own, and so on. Their goal is to ensure the longevity of the Royal Family so that's what those people are there for.

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^^ Take note of that - 15(!) members of staff just for Meghan and Harry who had to stand down when they formally exited the RF.

I'm just going to be an honest Dler and not feel shame that i think she is going to have weight problem when she gets older. There is something about red headed women, bone structure, and being porkers. I hope not, but she is no Kitty Spencer (that's what I'd want my daughter to look like if I were Meghan). See Bryce Dallas Howard, Sarah Ferguson, Amy Adams.

R230 I"m a middle aged fat gay man, of course!

And, quite lovely!

I mean, people standing up for 4 year olds and their right to act like 4 year olds in public generally are, as opposed to assholes appalled because a child didn't behave the way they wanted them to, or insinuating that the 4 year old in question is retarded or psychotic.

Their publicists were listing a bunch of royal toddlers who took part in Lilibucks' birthday party. Except none of those toddlers showed up. They were otherwise occupied. Markle must be furious.

R410, Amy Adams is not a natural redhead, but I get your point.

[quote]Since they didn't arrive with the rest of group and file into their seats as planned, that's what caused the kerfuffle with the Yorks having to get up and let them get to their seats like late arrivers to a movie theater who disrupt everyone.

I don't believe a lot that comes from that creature, but this one makes sense because the whole thing was so awkward and weird where most of these events are very well orchestrated and Bea & Edo just looked at the Harkles like "WTF?"

As far as the b'day party, that sounds like a classic passive aggressive move - make a last minute invite to an event that you know everyone cannot attend because they're too busy/otherwise engaged and then later complain that, they don't care if the snub the adults, but they snubbed an innocent baby! Oh, the cruelty of it all!

So on that day different members of the Royal Family were in different parts of the UK, right? Edward in Northern Ireland, Cambridges in Wales and I'm guessing someone in Scotland. These are major visits coordinating with lots of local organizations and state security. They were extremely important to show the connection of all parts of the UK to the Crown. Planned at least a year in advance.

And Harry pretends to expect the royals to lay aside core duties for a birthday party? It's childish in its aggression. It's what a 17 year old would do. It shows mental illness.

Nobody in his right mind would have expected most of the Royals to be free the weekend of the Jubilee in any case. If they were serious about having a family party for the kid they should have been negotiating with the keepers of the diaries months in advance and offering to come over a week earlier or a week later to make it possible.

I mean, to put it in perspective, would you go home for your OWN mother's 90th birthday party -- a weekend chosen so that all her family and friends could be together -- and only then announce you were having an alternative party in the middle of it?

R405 Actually, I would wager a month's pension that those plans moved up the food chain to the Lord Chamberlain, the office responsible for orchestrating these huge events, who then absolutely cleared them with HM's office. Her Private Sectetary would have known what she wanted and ensured the plans reflected that.

She doesn't have to look at seating plans. She has staff for that.

But if you think all that was laid out without specific direction from the Palace, you're spectacularly naive.

Remember, William was against the Sussexes being there at all in ant capacity.

Who do you think overrode The Enforcer's wishes? Whom do you think was the ONLY person who could have laid down the law on this?

The parameters were discussed, the staff obeyed.

The result was what the Palace wanted. Any other interpretation is, especially given the total follow-through of the entire family, spurious.

The fact that the Queen refused to let the Sussexes have their own photographer record her meeting with Lilibet should tell you something.

This was the iron hand in the ermine glove all the way down the line.

I wonder if this is going to end in a major blow up. All they've really got left to capture any attention - or make any more money - is leaning in hard on playing victim.

If you don't listen to anyone unless they say what you want to hear, if you're isolated, if the person you do listen to only fuels your worst instincts, if you're increasingly irrelevant, if your reaction to that is a kind of confusion and panic and cluelessness about how to reverse that slide, but if all you've got is grievance and envy and thwarted ambition and toadies and nothing to do all day, it would be very easy to make the mistake of going for the throat.

Add in the Bowers book going off in July.

I still struggle to believe they weren't invited to the lunch at Buckingham Palace after the Trooping of the Colour, but if that's so, it is a major embarrassment among those who know and a major personal rejection to get your head around, especially if you think you're the injured party.

Isn't it a high risk the book gets an explosive rewrite? And then the next book get written as well? There are two of them.

Just as a funeral isn't about the dead, it's about the living, a birthday party for a 1 year old baby isn't for the baby, it's for the adults, which is why they're unnecessary and a bad idea. I put them right up there with a gender reveal party.

A baby, maximum, has 4 things on its mind - 1. Am I in pain? Yes! I feel a diaper pin poking me- Waaaah! 2. Am I hungry? Yes. Waaah! 3. I need my diaper changed. Surely they can smell me. Waaah! 4. Am I tired? Yes. Waaaah!

Those are it. Period. A one year old has no sentient notion that today is the day they're one year old.

Which is why I agree with r416. Harry knows how those things are done so sue me if I find it believable that the Sussexes didn't host a birthday party.

I'm convinced, however, that the did want that photo op of Q E II and Lilibet and the Queen declined, deploying her utmost in polite, yet firm tact (which serves to make it even more devastating).

Well, I'll hand it to the Sussexes. They've managed to turn their comedown into entertainment. I'll stay tuned in to what's next in the descent.

Now, that's the stuff of a Netflix "docu-series".

Can you imagine what was being thought during the visit - after the photo was ruled out?

How long do we have to stay?

Are we ever going to get the old lady alone?

When can we get out of here?

Brexit brought about this climate. No one is safe, not even little lost Peruvian bears.

R418 - Lady Colin Campbell not only said that H & M were purposely 15 minutes late for their brief meeting for Charles and Camilla so that they had to be given a security car instead of going on the bus to St Paul's, she also claimed that they were invited to the Guildhall lunch, the concert and the pageant. They were in such a rage after being booed, that Harry ordered their car back to Frogmore and they never made another appearance. They left early for California. You could tell by Harry's face at St Paul's that he was going to have a tantrum. What does he fucking expect?

Charles did an investiture today and Sir David Attenborough was one of the honored.

The Times reported it was the Queen's decision they should have their own car that day (which was just a Range Rover, not one of the maroon royal cars.)

Given a choice between The Times and Lady Cackling Campbell, I'm reluctantly siding with The Times, though Cackles is obviously the more entertaining explanation.

I'm sure it wasn't the Queen's decision that H & M were 15 minutes late and disrupted the Yorks in their seats. I knew something was wrong because I've never seen that happen at the royal function. Everything is done in a very precise and timely manner. Something was off.

Tindall said on radio or a podcast or something today that "while the Queen, Prince Charles, Camilla, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and others on the balcony at the event had a meal at Buckingham Palace afterwards - 'the cousins' who watched from the Major General's Office overlooking Horse Guards Parade went for a lunch." He didn't say where. Harry and his wife went to neither.

Harry's so-called green credentials..

[quote]The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, who left the 96-year-old monarch’s bash prior to Sunday’s finale, flew back to California on a Bombardier Global 6000 — an “ultra-long-range” jet that can soar 6,000 miles without refueling. The swanky aircraft also features a “private stateroom” and can carry up to 13 passengers, the Times reported Tuesday. The couple’s 5,500-mile trip from Farnborough, England, to Santa Barbara is estimated to have emitted nearly 60 tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, according to a chartered flight provider. Under terms of the Paris Agreement, which seeks to keep global warming well below 2 degrees Celsius, a person’s annual carbon budget should be limited to 2.1 tons per year. That means Prince Harry and Markle surpassed that mark by nearly 15 times in a single flight, the Times reported. “They pontificate about helping people and the planet and then they take private jets,” royal expert Tom Quinn told the newspaper. “They tell people to look after the environment and then they don’t look after the environment themselves. It’s enormously hypocritical.”

I think they're a couple of jerks on historic levels, but I'm sympathetic to flying on their stupid jet this time. Two young kids, prying eyes, cellphones. I actually don't fault them for that, but you can't argue it ain't green.

then he should stop pretending that he cares about that stuff. It's the hypocrisy that rankles.

After being refused the coveted photo with The Queen, it's not a surprise that they hightailed it back to California. It could not be any more plain that they don't give two shits about HM or the institution she represents. The party for Lillibucks was merely another pantomime where they get to play victim.

Meghan would absolutely LOVE it if he lashed out at her. Playing the victim is her Plan B, always.

R370 The duo were actually behind the York sisters and husbands in the receiving line at the Cathedral.

[quote]The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, who left the 96-year-old monarch’s bash prior to Sunday’s finale, flew back to California on a Bombardier Global 6000

I'm surprised that the usual enterprising detectorists haven't yet figured out whose plane it was. I suppose they could have rented it. Often, people use Flight Aware and other such applications to find the Tail Number Code, but I haven't seen anything regarding this plane on this trip.

Speaking of renting aircraft, doesn't Harry have shitloads of money left to him by his mother, because she knew Wills, the future King, would be just fine? That flight and plane couldn't have been cheap.

And since neither of them have jobs, just how are they living and paying bills and mortgages and rents et. al.? Harry's inheritance?

So the leaks coming out of camp Sussex today seem to be "the trip eased tension with the family." "the family were thrilled to have Meghan and Harry back in the fold" .....

[quote]the cousins' who watched from the Major General's Office overlooking Horse Guards Parade went for a lunch." He didn't say where.

Five Guys should've brought in lunch for them, all the free publicity they got this weekend.

That's when the you know what hit the fan. Prince Harry, Earl of East Overshoe and Baron of Cunts, forced to dine with Bayatress et al., as opposed to the Queen, et al.? Oh no no no no no.

Kate was out and about in London today. This is how a true Royal posts on social media. It's not about the charity and the people who work there. H&M should learn a little humility.

"From providing toys, clothes and essential items for young children, to linking local families with key services, @LittleVillageHQ baby banks support families across London.

It’s wonderful to hear how volunteers work closely with each individual family to understand their personal needs, providing tailored support in a way that ensures they are treated with love, kindness and dignity."

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The spin from the Sussex camp is worse than no spin at all. There is no one on the planet who believes it, firstly - the assertions fly in the face of visual proof: the family's frosty reaction was broadcast across the globe. His father, brother, and their wives wouldn't so much as look at the Sussexes, even the third-tier members of the family like David Lynley and the Tindalls were rude to them. They were relegated to the kiddie table. Had the family really been "thrilled" to have them back in the fold, the family would have made that clear.

The Queen wouldn't even let them take a photograph of the Lilibet-Lilibet meeting.

The only thing the family were thrilled about was what a disaster the event was for the two people who'd done everything they could to damage the family.

But, but, but…Harry and William were FaceTiming regularly before the visit, and things were going so well for their reconciliation…what happened?

I don’t understand something, I don’t follow as close as most here, but I remember reading several times Harry said neither him nor William really wanted the job (King). So I don’t get why he’s so jealousy, other than playing slightly second fiddle. He gets money, attention (he got plenty) and still got to whatever he wanted, including marrying what would be an ‘unsuitable’ woman for a future King. I think he got the better end of the deal when all was said and done. I agree with the poster up thread, he is more to blame than Meghan is. Meghan just wanted to be a Hollywood star, I’m still shocked she walked away from this gig though. When all is said and done, I think if she had a choice between Harry and Brad Pitt or any superstar celebrity, she would’ve 100% went with the latter.

R433 That information is in fact easily available. But nobody's published it simply because there're no big surprises there. Not a Russian oligarch in sight.

The plane is operated by VistaJet, a long-established private jet charter company founded by a Swiss businessman based in Malta. It's a big operation, with over 70 aircraft in its fleet.

This particular aircraft has fleet number VJT861 and registration number 9H-VJN. A look at its flight history shows it's constantly on the move.

At around $10,000/hr, round-trip London and back would cost about $250,000. You got the money you can charter it, too. Be a Prince!

[quote] even the third-tier members of the family like David Lynley and the Tindalls were rude to them.

I thought Zara was the one person who was quite nice to them - smiling and chatting. It's reported her kids went to the birthday party, right? (maybe that's a lie but she hasn't said it was on her social media or anything)

Maybe she was the one "assigned" to be pleasant so that the event didn't implode. I can see Meghan pitching a tantrum in St Paul's Cathedral if he really got 'that' bad. Even negative attention is fuel to a malignant narcissist - and she'd sure make all the papers if she'd done a strop there, even front page news!

My dream outcome is for Harry to just leave her and go home. He'd have to go underground, a la Andrew, at least for a while, but I bet they'd forgive the stupid rogue in time. He is an idiot, after all. (is he the one Diana was pregnant with when she threw herself down the stairs -maybe it's brain damage? or anybody can have brain damage - happens all the time. I still don't believe he's evil to the core, like she is)

And if he is, well, so's Andrew and he's plodding along and it looks like William knows how to keep the family cretins under control.

*tantrum in St Paul's Cathedral if IT really got that bad

[quote] At around $10,000/hr, round-trip London and back would cost about $250,000.

That's a fortune!

I find it hard to believe that Netflix is footing the bill for that.

At the rate this pair are spending money, Diana's legacy to Harry won't last very long.

Anyone know the terms of handling the money she left to her sons? I seem to remember, while they were young, it was all in trust with them receiving interest. But given their current ages, is any of the money still kept in trusts? To prevent extravagance?

R441 There's something you have to know about Harry: he lies like a rug, especially when talking about his family. That should clear up your confusion.

It's just like how they didn't want titles for their children, and how they were thrilled to get Frogmore Cottage because they would NEVER want to bring up THEIR children "in the goldfish bowl of Kensington Palace".

Poster upthread who brought up the "They're face meeting weekly, things are on the mend story:

Stories like that may well have driven even harder William's actions. He simultaneously left mud on the story without uttering a word, as well as on the faces of his brother and sister in law.

Remember this the next time one of those, "According to a royal source/insider/friend of the couple . . " appears.

^ My post @R437 shoud read: ...It IS about the charity...

Any sane person really can't believe a word that comes out of Harry or Meghan's mouth. Their lies and inconsistencies are legion. They've been caught lying so many times that it's become comical.

I was referring Harry’s pre Meghan comments, that he would never want to be King. He said it in his 20s even.

Let's not forget her astonishing lie in the British courts, of all places.

"The Duchess of Sussex has apologised to a court for making a misleading statement in her privacy case against the Mail on Sunday's publishers.

"The Appeal Court heard she had asked an aide to pass on information to the authors of a biography - despite having earlier said she 'did not contribute'".

If she'd been a mortal her case would have been thrown out and she'd have faced contempt of court charges.

[quote]Since they didn't arrive with the rest of group and file into their seats as planned, that's what caused the kerfuffle with the Yorks having to get up and let them get to their seats like late arrivers to a movie theater who disrupt everyone.

Does anyone have a link to any footage of this? I looked on youtube, but couldn't find it.

R451 - I did see a photo of this.

A man in a red military uniform had escorted the Sussex up the aisle, stopping at the second pew on the left, and was pointing out the 5th and 6th seats in the row.

Beatrice who was seated in the aisle seat in that row (her husband was seated to her left with Eugenie next and Jack Brooksbank in the 4th seat) was getting up with a surprised look on her face.

Harry was staring in at the seats that were being pointed out to him.

R442

Thanks for all the info. Very interesting. Very expensive.

So I love how all the pro-Sussex stories today are about how William and Kate SNUBBED Harry & Meghan by not coming to Lilibet's party. There is some question if any of the royals actually attended. Zara and Mike were at the races on Saturday so it's possible their kids might have gone to the party but I don't know.

The truth is, W&K's tour of Wales was planned months if not a year ago. Harry and Meghan only confirmed they were coming to the UK in May. Even if W&K were invited, H&M knew they wouldn't come.

Also, why is it up W&K to make peace with H&M? H&M threw the bomb in the family, they should be the ones trying to work things out. If I were William I'd be icing them out too.

R442

Thanks for all that info. Very interesting. Very expensive.

I think it was a success in that it made me see their family as a bit more human, an active Louis being passed to his grandpa to sit on his lap. The Tindalls also seem like a fun family. Harry and Meghan did themselves no favors though.

^^^Sorry for the duplicate. Thought the first one had evaporated into the ether.

How hard would it be for the Sussexes to stay two more days and have Lilibet's party on Monday? Then at least there would be chance some royals could attend - and it would have looked worse on them if they refused. As it is, who on earth would expect them to skip the pre-planned Jubbly appearances and events?

There are people who are buying the Sussex version of the story. There are people who think Donald Trump is a swell guy. Gullible people exist.

What was the rush for the Sussexes to get back to Montecito? Not like they have jobs they need to attend to.

[quote] but I remember reading several times Harry said neither him nor William really wanted the job (King). So I don’t get why he’s so jealousy, other than playing slightly second fiddle.

It does seem counterintuitive: you still get the perks without the responsibility. But it would be a weird dynamic to grow up in a family where the eldest is groomed for great things and the younger siblings are groomed for...not making a spectacle of yourself. I think you can add to that Harry's not a very bright guy and if he'd played his cards differently, he'd still get the cool VIP perks (maybe not as many as Will & Kate, but still...) without all the headache, expectations and weight of history and *still* be his own man. As many posters have noted, I think QEII saw how unhappy her sister was & tried to find another way (though clearly not very successfully) for the spares.

I think that will ultimately be the Tragedy of Prince Harry - he focused on what he didn't have as opposed to the many blessings he *did* have

They had a temper tantrum and took the bat and ball and went home.

What's interesting is how Netflix is getting screwed. Their reality-doc should skip over the boring Sussex minutiae and tell us what was going thru their minds when Harry convinced them he had unlimited ongoing access to the British Royal Family. I want to know the specifics of his hustle.

^And it only cost a kagillion dollars in plane fare for someone & carbon emissions for all of us. Cheap at half the price.

It's just going to be a "we're a victim" documentary. Bleh= no thanks.

So there is a series of photos of Harry and Meghan arriving at their seats at St. Paul's. Harry is pissed. It appears He's trying to get the Yorks to move down so he and Meghan can sit at the end of the aisle but Prince Edward appears to step in and tell them no.

It would be helpful if those two boobs weren't always clinging to each other.

WOW, Thank you r466! Those photos are golden. I think those are the best pictures of the Jubilee.

Harry, despite wanting nothing to do with Royalty, still thinks he's entitled to all things royal.

But surely they would have known of the seating arrangements in advance. It's impossible they were surprised. Everybody knows their place beforehand in these grand events. Of course they do.

They purposely stalled going down the aisle because they figured they would just have the others move down. HA! Edward probably is glad to finally put his bratty nephew in his place.

R470 You think they would do that?

No, they wouldn't have known what the seating arrangement was without asking beforehand, and they didn't obviously. And anyway that's what ushers are there for, to ensure adherence to the the seating plan.

It was like watching a trainwreck in slow motion. It was a straight up public humiliation in front of the whole world, brought to you by none other than Buckingham Palace.

William must have been fighting back laughter through the entire service. Apparently neither saw the whites of the others eyes the entire weekend. Now we know why Harry never once looked at William, and vice-versa. And now we know why Meghan actually turned her head when the Cambridges processed past their aisle.

R472 "Where am I going to stand? Where am I going sit? Do I exit right or left?" Etc. Ceremonial procedure has beeen ingrained in Harry since he was a child.

It's beyond any belief whatever that he and his charming wife did not know beforehand precisely where they were scheduled to sit in their only public appearance during the celebrations.

"Maybe he forgot to ask." Preposterous!

R471 You forget this is the same couple who at their last official appearance at Westminster Abbey, where Meghan was wearing that ludicrous green outfit, cut through chairs and virtually ran over the Wessexes to get in front of them during the recessional. They couldn’t bear having to wait in line and be behind the uncle and aunt.

^Forgot that, no wonder Edward was smiling. Not sure if it was a Gotcha' or We've got your number & now so does everyone else.

At the risk of being a misogynist, WHY is she always putting her hand on his back and "guiding" him around? You see men doing that a lot - but it used to be proper etiquette for men to help women by offering their arms, guiding them, pulling out their chair, opening doors for them, etc.

But it's never been proper etiquette for a wife to do that to her young husband -- maybe if he was 90 and could barely walk -- but a man who's younger, bigger and stronger than she is, and she treats him like a mother with her 5 year old. WTF??

Is it her way of keeping him under control -- along with that tight hand-holding she keeps insisting on?

R474 It’s their standard operating procedure. Remember the anniversary of the Prince of Wales investiture? It was supposed to be direct heirs viewing the memorabilia, and once again, the Sussexes “play dumb” and hang around, with the Ginger Dud going as far as to make an “after you” gesture to his father. The queen’s equerry comes sprinting down the room to hold them back. You then hear Camilla and William saying how tacky that was. Cut to Meghan in her narc rage, blinking furiously in the next room.

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It's awkward.

Of course they knew where they were going to be seated before they arrived. They just thought that they could bully themselves into a better arrangement.

Harry and Meghan may not have known where they were going to sit. Generally royals are escorted to their seats (as H&M were) and given H&M were likely out of the loop of all the jubilee planning. Then again, even if they did the Sussexes have a history of ignoring this stuff. Some have pointed out Meghan's history, but remember Harry darted in front of someone (I think it Peter Philips but I could be wrong) so he would be behind William during the procession into St. George's at Prince Philip's funeral.

R451

[quote] Does anyone have a link to any footage of this? I looked on youtube, but couldn't find it.

See R466

Thanks, R466.

What pictures!!! Great find.

Can you believe H & M would make this fuss in front of everyone at his grandmother's Thanksgiving Service in St. Paul's Cathedral???

With the Church bells ringing in Celebration???

I LOVE that Andrew's girls and their spouses did NOT move over. And that Edward and Sophie intervened.

Beautiful.

R482

"Harry, where will we be sitting?"

"Don't worry dear. We'll find out when we get there."

This was not the first seating kerfuffle at a royal event.

The Queen has pulled out of all Commonwealth Games events now. It does seem like a quasi-retirement.

The Queen has pulled out of all Commonwealth Games events now. It does seem like a quasi-retirement.

Sorry, I don't know why that posted twice.

Damn. She was a shoo-in to medal in the long jump AND the shot put.

Wow the video at R479. She is just jabbering away the entire time. So awkward.

You wonder if going forward we won't see her as often as she's able, but that it won't be very much. I guess we'll see the Christmas message. Out of curiosity I Googled "elegant wheelchairs". (Well, I Duck Duck Go'ed it... to deprive Google of the intel on me) and I found some that are in fact comparatively unobtrusive. Fair enough most wheelchairs dominate the user but they don't have to. It's the question of the wheel and the back for the most part and the foot rest. You wish she'd get a custom one designed that she felt good enough about using to get from A to B. She evidently can move at most times to one degree or another - remember the footage of her standing to receive a couple military types but saying: well, as you can see I can't move - so she's strong enough to stand it appears to be her feet causing most of the trouble or the ability to move her legs. So if she had a chair to cover the distances she could get herself sexy Major Johnny Thompson full time - a kind of John Brown with a strong arm - and do more.

Below is an example of what I'm talking about... they've minimized the seat, simplified the spokes on the wheel, shrunk the footrest. The point being, there's a way. Cast the metals in a soft, brushed gold, make the seat a neutral and suddenly the Queen, in her colour blocked jewel tones, dominates until hunky Johnny offers his gorgeous arm to aid her upward. It's not Philip but I can think of worse ways to pass the time.

Especially if Johnny is made to wear a kilt and she commands him to bend down to secure the locks on the wheels before she stands. It's purely for safety.

Prince William has been pictured selling the Big Issue magazine in central London, dressed in the distinctive red seller’s hat and vest.

The Duke of Cambridge quietly took to the streets of Westminster to sell copies of the magazine, which has been sold since 1991 to offer homeless people the chance to earn income.

The identity of the street vendor was only discovered after a passerby thought he spotted a "celebrity" from a distance on Rochester Row and took a photo, before investigating further.

Matthew Gardner, a retired police chief superintendent, posted on LinkedIn that his brother-in-law, who posed for photos with the future king, had spotted him on the London street.

'Honour to have a private moment with our future king'

"My brother-in-law was in London today and saw a celebrity, so he took a photo at a distance," Mr Gardner said in the post. "The celebrity saw the 'covert surveillance' effort and crossed the road to investigate further.

"What an honour to have a private moment with our future king who was humble and working quietly in the background, helping the most needy.

"These 'silent gestures' often go unrecognised.

"The finale to this unique occasion was when Prince William asked my brother in law if he wanted to buy the 'Big Issue', to which he replied; 'I have no change!'.

"At this point William produced a mobile card machine… you cannot teach that!

"Priceless, or should I say 'Princely'."

I recall seeing Queen Victoria's wheelchair somewhere in some museum or the other so there's fair precedent for it.

I saw a photo of Eugenie holding her son while watching the Jubilee parade and there must have been many more royals in the stands. I wish the tv cameras would’ve panned the stand to see the others. It just focused on the front row from Kate to Anne with the Tindalls behind them. The kids’ antics were cute but I wanted to see who else was there.

The DM has a photo was taken on the roof of St. James' Palace, which stands parallel to the Mall. I could see Marlborough House in one of the photos so the DM is right. So before the cousins went off to their lunch, that's where they watched the fly past at the Trooping.

I think I know what may be happening. This is conjecture based on what happened to my very elderly aunt (92 years old). She had a mild heart attack a year ago—otherwise she was in excellent health. There was little damage to her heart and surprisingly her blood tests were all excellent after they put her on cholesterol medicine. However she had to discontinue her arthritis prescription medicine because she was on blood thinners. The difference was night and day. She could only take Tylenol, which had absolutely no effect. She went from being able to walk a block or two at a time to using a walker and cane and being in a lot of pain. If the queen is in blood thinners, then she can’t take any of the anti-inflammatories, only Tylenol.

Your day as told by Prince Louis.

In that video, Harry has very awkward energy, I wonder if he has anxiety? Her energy is very tense and intimidating. She has the intense and off putting tom Cruise stare. That’s why they call him laser head. It’s a faux friendly, controlling and predatory interaction style.

You gotta figure Harry is 1/4 unresolved fucked up childhood 1/4 entitled angry discard 1/4 love/hate with his old life 1/4 trying to suppress what he honestly knows in his gut about every aspect of his current situation. If he was Roxanne Gay he'd be exhausted.

The narcissist’s hunter gaze. always on the prowl.

I would guess that those private jets were leant to Harry by a very rich friend. The Sussexes have financial issues facing them.

For poster upthread, Diana's will split the money evenly between the two boys. By the time the boys were able to access legally the principle as well as the earned revenue, those trusts were worth about £30 million. The earned revenue was about £300,000 annually, and subject to standard tax by Inland Revenue. It was the boys' only source or personal income. Charles supplemented those revenues with about £2 million annually, so they could maintain appropriate households, and also provided a "dress fund" for Kate's, and then Meghan's, wardrobes.

And, before anyone brings it up again, the Queen Mother did not leave trust funds for the Wales boys. A representative of Harry's estate finally stepped forward last year and rubbished this widely reported but never proved and never confirmed story. It is likely that Harry drew heavily on his trust fund to purchase the home in Montecito, as well as the one year of Charles' supplement that Charles agreed to when the two bailed. Who knows how much is left,

So, given that their Netflix and Spotify deals, like Harry's publishing contract(s), are based on initial advances and then percentages of any revenues earned beyond the advances/retainers/first look privilege, Harry and Meghan are looking at the possibility of canceled contracts at worst, or products that don't provide a ROI that brings in tens of millions, and a polite parting of the ways when their failures to attract huge revenues becomes clear.

Their faux Anmer Hall In Montecito is hugely expensive, with enormous taxes and maintenance costs, 24/7 armed security, that revolving door staff at Archewell, and, of course, their incessant legal battles.

So, it's my guess that those private jets were a favour.

^*principal (not principle)

That story at r494.

Holy Crap. I'm unable to think of anything but cliche. I'll choose this one: Game. Set. Match.

I bow to Prince William. Not that way. This way - You, sir, are the Prince of Public Relations. Not only is this move masterfully deployed, it's in stark, neon contrast to the thirsty efforts of the Sussexes.

The Big Dog, the Duke of Cambridge, as befits any Alpha, doesn't have to tell. He shows.

And the delicious aspect of this is that he knows exactly the message this sends.

That's it. Move over. I'm jumping on the William fan bandwagon.

What a fucking bad-ass move.

And the best part is that I believe his heart is actually in the cause. And if my sentimental heart is mistaken about that, that serves to only deepen my respect for this move by PW.

Great post, r503. Now that's my kind of gossip.

I'm feeling the beginnings of pity and sorrow for the Sussexes.

I know, I know, but still.

Edward & Sophie are in Gibraltar for a three day visit.

FWIW the statement he got nothing from the Queen Mother was made days before the airing of the Oprah interview where he announced he'd been cut off financially.

I want Major Johnny in me. Quite. Deeply.

[quote]And the best part is that I believe his heart is actually in the cause.

I get the feeling he is very deliberately thinking through what he does and what he doesn't do. The environmental focus makes sense: he's got three children to live into an uncertain future. Whatever his thought process you get the impression from him and his wife they take their work seriously and it is not about them and not performative for their own benefit.

R503 Perhaps somebody else -- like HMG -- paid the bill, but that jet itself was certainly not loaned out by a billionaire. It's part of the fleet of a big charter operation.

R509, he could push my chair hard and fast any day,

R509 Fuck off! I've had dibs on Johnno since I clocked him sitting behind Megs at the Service of Thanksgiving, and later in kilt at the Guildhall piss up. The lad is indeed heaven on a stick.

Christ, he wouldn't even spring for a commercial plane ticket for me!

Its so strange in the Us any dude who calls himself Johnny is either a Jack Nicholson/The shining, or a redneck hillbilly(no offense)Johnny Cash, or Midwestern vanilla, Johnny Carson. In Scotland its well...Stud Muffin..Want me some Scottish Johnny ASAP.

I don't buy the conspiracy theories that the military was seated behind them for monitoring purposes but I would love to know what Stud Johnny did to earn a seat three rows from the front. I am not complaining, I would just love to know.

Of course the Markles knew where they were going to sit, the transport, the separate non-working group lunch and so on. They had liaison people to negotiate every detail ffs.

For those who like their men in kilts.

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Watching the videos above, both William and Kate seem fully invested and interested in their conversations with whomever they're talking to. Megs is just doing small talk with the smile and hand on belly.

Now, she hasn't gotten that fat.

[quote] I would love to know what Stud Johnny did to earn a seat three rows from the front. I am not complaining, I would just love to know.

Intriguing question indeed and one that requires careful study by DL! I'm guessing it was so the audience would reflect a broad range of people - not just the BRF & their entourage, but people who've been a part of the Queen's life from all parts of the UK. But I hope the truth is something more interesting!

I've only recently gone down these BRF rabbit holes so this may have been answered but I haven't seen it...

What is it with that smile plastered across Meghan's face, [bold]all the time?[/bold]? Honest question...is that natural for some people, or are you all convinced that it's phony?

You'd think that, being as obsessed with appearances as she is, that she would see herself and decide to tone it down. Never mind the fact that she always manages to find the cameras no matter what is going on around her. It's really not a good "look". Don't they have PR people on the payroll?

How can two people be so unaware? Call me naive but I don't know how you can be in the positions that they are and have been in, and not be at all sell-aware. At all. Baffles me how people go through life like that.

You've probably all discussed this to death, but I was wondering. For some reason I've only just begun finding the BRF family dynamics fascinating.

^^^sell-aware s/b SELF-aware.

[quote] I would love to know what Stud Johnny did to earn a seat three rows from the front.

Whatever he did, I would pay good money to have him do it to me.

r521, she was pregnant.

Always finding the camera was a result of her years hustling for publicity and work. It’s hard to break a habit. She did manage it before Megxit. The smile thing, yes that looks phony, even more so to Europeans. Americans, especially women, are expected to “look pleasant and approachable”. She carries it to an extreme. OTOH, if she hadn’t been smiling that day, people would say she was angry and upset hearing the crowd booing.

R523, part of it must be an understandable awareness of the cameras, given her career, and that's fair. I also wonder if it's a nervous reaction to unease.

R505, it's not "public relations" - it's their job.

I think among other ills Markle has anxiety, so in that view she has mostly kept it together in public. It couldn't have been easy.

[Quote]I don't buy the conspiracy theories that the military was seated behind them for monitoring purposes

I don't either. However, an eagle-eyed journalist spotted the former MI-5 chief Lord Parker seated right behind them. Nothing left to chance.

And what's he doing, using his old spy gear to listen in? Will he zap them? Come on.

R503 I don't buy it - he still can afford it (for now) and who would this rich friend who hired a jet for them be?

Harry's potential career as an Ecological Warrior was fucked by taking a private jet to London.

You wonder why they wouldn't just buy out first class? Would have been cheaper but given them total privacy.

Lord Parker, an equerry and a former palace staff member were all seated directly behind the pair. Surely it was coincidence. Nor a conspiracy. They may have been there merely as trusted people to serve as a buffer and provide distance from the greater crowd from overhearing any untoward comments made by the pair.

Thank you, R503.

Prince Charles calls Meghan "Tungsten" as a nickname.

Great point, r535.

I read that Jackie O, when Ari’s plane was in the shop or he denied her use, would book the at least the full row of seats.

That host of “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous” said he happened to be seated next to her in 1st class ( apparently, even Jackie , a time or two, had to put up with somebody next to her) and he attempted conversation.

He said, with a laugh, that she told him in her sweetest voice, “I’ve found that a person from the UK who starts a conversation with me is usually a journalist so I will not engage in conversation with you.” and then proceeded to ignore him.

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Oh my God, who would have the gall to start conversation with Jackie beyond smiles and a few brief pleasantries. English guy was probably a bore.

The main reason Harry's cooked is that his children are paler than the Cambridges. Once the black Britons and Americans who've been ferociously cheerleading them catch on to this, they'll drop them, fast. They planned to exploit black people, and all 'people of color', as their personal piggy bank, and it's game over for that.

R541 It’s especially jarring in that black and white photo. The white lady with her black kids and there’s Meg, with her ginger white baby. Those Markle genes are relentless.

[quote]You wonder why they wouldn't just buy out first class? Would have been cheaper but given them total privacy.

But you don't understand, we need to feel important in every situation.

Jamaica has put plans to become a republic on hold until at least 2025 and that's not even firm now. The Government "hopes" to hold a referendum during the 2025 election to gauge public response.

I wonder if the pair were in fact attempting to tape something and were then essentially told to get out of town.

Also I think the minor royals should have just walked out of St Paul's after the service, told the bus to wait, and walked across the street to Five Guys. Both hilarious and displays the common touch. Would probably have enjoyed it.

I had a sudden/intrusive thought that Harry told Meghan the only time he felt safe and loved was when his mum held his hand. Which is why Megs holds Harry’s hand so tight and all the time

The Queen did not meet Lili

Wow. The more you learn about the Harkles, the slimier and grosser they become. So they really did just show up for content, in which case, they were handled beautifully.

R547, who runs that account? It doesn't seem particularly authoritative, just some random, anonymous American.

R533 I'm not saying I know it for a fact, I'm saying that I think their financial situation has been far overstated, and that they have friends who are much richer than they are. You're probably right that Harry can afford it for now, but they aren't pulling in the huge funds they thought they would, and one thing second tier royals are very good at is mooching. Prince Andrew and his ex and Pss Michael of Kent are perfect examples.

Were I in their shoes, facing the likely loss of Netflix and Spotify, and the issues emerging around Harry's book, I'd be watching my expenses, because although they are quite rich compared to us, they aren't in the circles they want to move in.

But you may be right.

R550 I thing you are spot on in your assessment, they was a billionaire kind of lifestyle with friends to match. It’s definitely beginning to look like their new life is falling apart like a cheap suit.

Aren't cash-poor aristocrats a pretty common thing in Europe? People with mansions they have to rent out to tourists or for weddings just to keep going - selling off paintings and antiques, jewelry, etc?

Though I realize the son of the future king is a different category - I would assume Charles would always support Harry. Not sure William would continue the courtesy however (unless it's written in some Parliamentary law that the immediate family of the monarch will always receive such and such a stipend)

There is no provision, R552. I think there's a convention that because the monarch receives such preferential tax treatment on the family fortune, those down the line are helped in some form. I recall reading Prince Edward gets about 250,000 annually to fund his work. Which is a great annual salary in the UK but hardly high lavish. Now, he may have had trust money as part of the estate planning of other senior members of the royal family, his house lease costs may have been gifted to him (given that Princess Anne and Prince Andrew both received houses upon marriage, paid for by the Queen.) I think Prince and Princess Michael used to get money once upon a time but they had a small (by royal standards) country house that they had to sell (Nether Lypiatt Manor.) The Gloucesters had a place called Coppins, gone too. I swear to God that's why everybody has a private secretary... so nobody ever has to break or get bad news face to face.

I'm almost finished reading Tina Brown's book.

As other have pointed out, the perspective she offers on the Sussexes were pointed out by many posters here, including me, way before this book was released.

It's almost as if the DL provided the book's general outline

"The Palace Papers" is a fun, juicy, credible book. It's obvious that many of those in the "inner circle" of the BRF, on deep, unattributed background, of course, spoke to Brown.

And I have to echo what other have pointed out about Brown's writing about Markle:

Clever, aware, and self-preserving Brown knows how to approach the topic of bigotry. She begins her discussion of Doria and Markle by creating the frame which will border her describing the racism and bigotry that Doria, and, by extension and witness, Markle, have endured throughout their lives.

That serves two purposes: setting forth what is a real, actual experience endured by Doria and Markle and 2. inoculating Brown from any perception that her criticism of Markle has any whiff of bigotry to it.

And Brown is deeply critical of the Sussexes, both expressly and "between the lines", while deploying a measure of empathy for the reasons for their behavior.

It's a tricky line to maneuver and Brown succeeds at doing so.

When he was part of the royal family, presumably money managers, tax people and accountants were part of the package. Does he have anything like that level of professional support now? Presumably not. Which would make it pretty easy for him to get in over his head pretty quickly. Harry is not a numbers guy.

The Harkles would be considered high net worth clients by their bank. They will be advised. The banks approach anybody with a cash worth over a certain figure (usually just a million) to set them up, largely because, if your investment wing is managing the money, there's fees to be made, which accrues to the bank, which makes the bankers richer. Markle, as a former actress, probably had a business manager of her own, too, introduced by her agent or lawyer, so is familiar with the concept of somebody else doing the spreadsheet.

Thank you R553 for the excellent information. I had no idea - I guess I thought Harry had it made. I remember when he was going to do some conservation estate in Africa? How would that make money?? So I assumed the BRF would just finance his life, whatever he chose.

Not that I really like that - I'm an American and basically think the monarchy doesn't make any sense - but I keep hearing about all the many millions they bring to England in tourism.

I guess if they say so... I went to England as a tourist and I assure you it had nothing to do with the BRF.

R557, by any other standard (like you and me) he probably does have it made. But he's living like a tech billionaire, it seems... I can't recall what the revenues were from Spotify and Netflix... maybe it literally is a small fortune that can sustain their big life but a man with kids is being advised to preserve capital as a source of income, not erode it. I'm worth next to nothing and my plan extends to death - you can bet his does too. The cost of that one private jet to the Jubilee was mind boggling to me. Either he's far richer than we think or that was a major dent in their capital.

They were invited by the Queen - I hope that doesn't mean he can send a bill to cover his expenses to go, since she requested it.

Perhaps Q E II paid, out her own dainty little purse; the same one which holds a marmalade sandwich, for the private aircraft so the Sussexes could attend the Jubilee.

It's a good move on her part if she did. Machiavelli applauds from his grave.

If the Sussexes leak that she did, it casts her in a benevolent light; that Grand Mummy has risen above the aspersions cast by them. If they don't leak it, no problem.

R552 Charles would have supported the Sussexes liberally to make up for what William will receive in comparison once he becomes Prince of Wales and inherits the Duchy of Cornwall.

But given Harry's and Meghan's behaviour during their time as working royals and their ongoing insults and attacks on the monarchy, personally and through their bottom feeding minions like Omid Scobie, I doubt Harry can expect much noblesse from his furious father, who will not hesitate to cut Harry loose if he attacks his father's wife, the Cambridges, and the monarchy.

My guess is that Charles would out of duty keep the Sussexes from going under, at least for his grandchildrens' sakes, but not to help them continue to live in the style to which they have become accustomed.

I thought Chaz was notoriously cheap?

R560

First, someone with a large platform would have to take Green Harry to task for flying a private jet from England to California, and its attendant pollution.

Put him in a position to have to defend or explain it.

LOL.

Agreed, r561, which makes that ill-advised, massive fuck-up Oprah interview such a massive tell on how they overestimated their stardom.

Charles might keep them from going under, but liberally? That's not how it works. Look at Charles' lifestyle. Look at Anne's or Andrew's or Edward's. Very nice by our standards, but not equal to Charles. In that world, William is entitled to more, based on his future.

R556 Harry's a Politically Exposed Person requiring special monitoring under banking regulations, and banks aren't that eager these days to deal.with foreign PEPs: too much work and risk.

Then a UK bank, Coutts probably, holds the funds. The royal family can find a banker. They aren't the Saudis. Who can find bankers, BTW.

Here's a link to anybody who can qualify as a PEP.

Anyone in any of the following roles should be considered a potential PEP.

PEPs in Government Roles Legislative Bodies: An example is a Member of Parliament Executive Bodies: A PEP could range from the head of state down to the assistant ministers Diplomatic Roles: Ambassadors or chargé d’affaires would be considered PEPs Judiciary Bodies: Key people working within supreme courts, constitutional courts or high-level judicial bodies State-Owned Enterprises: A PEP would typically be anyone from a senior executive upwards. However, even former members of the board of directors no longer associated with an organization may retain influence and still be flagged as PEPs PEPs in Organizations and Institutions Central Financial Institutions: Examples here would be the Court of Auditors and members on the boards of central banks Armed Forces: In this situation a PEP rating would typically only apply to a high-ranking officer International Sports Committees: Members of these committees may be influenced to vote on the location of major sporting events/contracts for building venues, etc., so have recently been included by FATF under their definition of a PEP Known ‘Close Associates’ who are Considered PEPs Anyone with a close business relationship or joint beneficial ownership of legal entities or legal arrangements with a PEP Anyone who has the sole beneficial ownership of a legal entity which is known to have been set up for the benefit de facto of the PEP Immediate Family Members who are Considered PEPs Parents and children of PEPs Spouse or partner Siblings Uncles and aunts Even slightly indirect family members (such as in-laws) will be considered as politically exposed persons

All these people can't get bankers? That's absurd.

R562 - He is. But his sons' households were a matter of visual importance beyond his ordinary habits - they had to have staff, nice cars, decent homes, be able to travel and dress. He gave each one millions each year to support their households, and a generous dress fund for their wives' wardrobes.

That ended for Harry after the first hear of Megxit. What Charles is willing to do now, is anyone's guess.

Harry and Meghan totally shot themselves in the foot with the Oprah interview and then subsequently, and Harry kept doing it as of a few weeks ago when he told the world he was "protecting the Queen and making sure she has the right kind of people around her" after the IGs.

They really could have used the Jubly visit to show some goodwill, but they put out the same bullshit all over again: the posturing at the windows during the TTC, her rolling down the bulletproof window to smile at crowds (who likely weren't smiling back) as they left, their awful handling of the Thanksgiving Service arrival and departure, their trying to leverage the baby into a photo op against the Queen's wishes, their refusal to tolerate anything but centre-seating at the pageant and concert . . .

And now they're furious at how they were treated, when it was they who treated everyone else shabbily with their deliberately late arrival so they could arrive solo in a separate car, and then being clearly angry at their seating, and all the rest of it.

They just can't handle their membership in this club appropriately. They're well out of it, and the BRF is well shet of them.

The problem is, the BRF don't need them, and the Sussexes need the aura of the BRF.

R569 Reread what I wrote: for US banks it's foreign PEPs that present the big headache. You'll recall that when these rules first came in several.years ago, there was a big to-do because foreign ambassadors in Washington were suddenly finding their bank accounts beng closed. Not sure how that finally settled out.

Anyway, there's no ban on a bank taking on a foreign PEP. It's just a headache many banks prefer to avoid.

^*the first year (not hear) if Megxit

Not only does the BRF not need the Harkles, but they're a bigger thorn in their sides than Andrew, who at least doesn't constantly attack the Queen, Charles and William - making up stories about weekly zoom calls and William complimenting Meghan's mothering skills; saying William and Charles hate their positions and they feel like prisoners who are stuck; Kate's a bitch who made Meghan cry (when it's exactly the opposite, most likely); that he has hereditary mental issues because the Queen was cold to Charles - or something like that; I don't remember his comments about Camilla; they put the Archbishop in an unfortunate position by lying about him marrying them in the back garden or some such nonsense... Who does this kind of shit?

Likely wearing WIRES into St Paul's Cathedral for a celebration of the Queen ?!? What will they say or do next? The BRF has to be having crisis meetings and making all sorts of plans as to how to counter their diabolical carrying-ons. Won't it get worse when the Queen dies? I imagine the near universal love for her limits what they can do - but when it's Charles and William, we'll see the swords come out. Meghan hates Kate with all the fury of the sun itelf because she's so jealous of her.

If, as rumoured, it is confirmed and leaked that the Sussexes were wired at the events they attended, I would imagine the Sussex goose is at last, DONE, take it out of the oven.

I cannot imagine that there would be any path back to normalised family relationships after the Sussexes tried to blackmail the Queen (and not for the first time) by using a meeting with her great-granddaughter to lobby for a photo they could use to polish their royal creds and perhaps sell. As it is, they sold the Lilibet photos to the SUN, I believe. Can you imagine what they could have done with photos of the Queen meeting her "namesake"?!

Now that the Jubly is past, the question is what announcements should follow: we still don't know who is replacing Harry as Captain General of the Royal Marine, a key appointment, and we don't know Harry's fate as Counsellor of State.

These are likely items that the Queen would have preferred to withhold until the Jubly and the Sussex appearances were in the rearview mirror.

And, like the fools they are, the couple made even more of a case for the two moves with their posturing and conniving.

What’s the name/author of the book thst is suppose to come out shortly on the Sussexes?

I definitely want to read it

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R575 Tom Bower is the author. It was supposed to be released a couple of months ago but the lawyers got called in.

It's due out next month, innit? Interesting though no pre-order on either Amazon.com or .co.uk.

Does that mean it's so explosive the lawyers are still fine tooth combing it?

Thanks r577

Bower's book isn't about the BRF specifically. It's about Meghan and he has allegedly dug up all the dirt going back for years.

The "crisis meetings" were taken last year, and the velvet knives already administered.

Anne's husband has a sense of humor.

R575 The Bower book is a bio of Meghan, not the couple, per se.

R577 I thought it was always due out in July, after the Jubilee. Given Bower's expertise in these matters, the lawyers have been an ongoing presence. Any attempts by the Sussexes to stop publication would have, and if made, failed.

He has allegedly spoken to the people Meghan bullied, and possibly to witnesses who saw how she behaved in their first tour Down Under.

The Bower book alone will probably generate six threads here.

Ms de Rouvre, whose own money was finally repaid last year, said the Duke and Duchess of York “are so crazy”, adding: “He is an absolute fool and I just cannot understand how he goes about his life.

“Really it is a tragedy and so bad for the Queen. I don’t know how she manages with them."

Haven't checked it out anywhere else, but I just heard on one of the Harkle-youtube channels that Oprah is going to do another interview - but this time only with Meghan, not Harry, and she's going to tell "her truth" about what happened at the Jubilee. Wonder if the knives are coming out?

That doesn't sound very likely to me. Oprah got kinda burned with the last go.

Oprah's really scraping the bottom of a previously bottomless barrel.

Oprah doesn't really do repeats of failures. Fool her once and she moves on.

Sounds like more of Megsie's PR bullshit.

If she still had her regular show, maybe. But she's not setting up a second special. Oprah's got better ways of spending her time now.

Actually, I suspect it's just a matter of time till Netflix pulls the plug. "More trouble than they're worth."

From a purely ratings and impact standpoint, in what TV Land was the Oprah interview a failure?

It was a hit; the last thing of any significance Oprah has done.

The Sussexes, of course, should not have done the damn thing in the first place, but that's beside the point.

I give it even odds that there will be another Oprah interview.

R591 The shine is off the Sussexes. The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on.

[quote] The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on.

I like that.

Anyway, I also agree with you that the shine is off the Sussexes.

But Oprah, being Oprah. I wouldn't be surprised if she thought she could bring them back, redeem them. All because of her, of course.

If true that Meghan will do a solo interview solo to reveal the 'behind the scenes' of the Jubilee, well I would anticipate that the wheels of divorce will slowly begin to creek forward. What s she going to say; they were cold toward harry and me? Well of course they were, you have proven yourself, time and again, a liar and are not to be trusted one iota.

R594 That’s what crossed my mind. If true that she does an Oprah interview on her own, then I suspect that would be the opening salvo of her solo divorce tour.

Pure speculation, of course.

[quote] they were cold toward harry and me. I don't know why we only brought a few members of the Netflix film crew, and Harry's ghostwriter was very inconspicuous while he was taking notes at dinner

The link is the youtuber who said there will be another Oprah interview. It's a woman in Nicaragua who's working with a children's charity of some kind there - anyway, first at minute 5:40 she starts talking about another Oprah interview. Then at 9:50 or so, she brings it up again and says it will be only Meghan doing the interview and she thinks it will partly be to set up their divorce.

Oh and in between those two interview references, she says she also has "heard" that Camille Vasquez (Depp's attorney) will represent Harry in the divorce.

I think I may have bumbled into a "recommended youtube video" by a person who's listening to conspiracy type stuff?? But if anybody's interested, it's only about 5 minutes of the 10 minute video where she's talking about this supposed interview, that she seems convinced is going to happen.

The Duke of Cambridge turns 40 next week, a milestone he recently joked privately he is finding “so daunting” — and the big birthday brings big changes. The family is moving from London to Berkshire.

Prince George, 8, and Princess Charlotte, 7, will leave their prep school, Thomas’s Battersea, at the end of this term and are expected to enrol at a school near Windsor.

Prince Louis, 4, who made his mark on the Platinum Jubilee weekend with a display of extravagant face-pulling and other antics, will join them.

Kensington Palace will remain the family’s London home, housing their private and press office, and they will frequently visit Anmer Hall, their Norfolk refuge. “They absolutely love it up there — it’s their happy place,” a friend of William’s said. Their plan is to make Anmer a permanent base “after the school years”.

The Cambridges will move to a house on the Queen’s Windsor estate this summer. In time, it is understood, they will move into “the big house”, because the Prince of Wales does not plan to spend as much time at Windsor Castle when he is king as the Queen does now.

As well as bringing the children nearer their maternal grandparents, the Middletons, who live in Bucklebury, a 45-minute drive away, the move to Windsor will give the Cambridges a new lifestyle and family dynamic. They are looking forward to the freedom the vast, secure Windsor estate will provide.

“The reality is they are quite confined in what they can do in London,” a friend said. “The kids can’t go into the park and kick a football with friends. Their plan is to be there for the next ten to 15 years and then move to Anmer, which is so special to them.”

Close friends say William is “definitely ready for his future. He feels that as long as the monarchy is doing really good stuff, it needs to be preserved and prolonged, but he’s not blinkered about it and if there came a time when it doesn’t, he wouldn’t cling on.” One of his oldest friends said the jubilee and his birthday were turning points for the second in line to the throne: “He knows it’s not 70 years ago, He realises the world is a different place from when his grandmother took it on and we’re in very different times. He is going to step up and deliver.”

[quote] Prince Louis, 4, who made his mark on the Platinum Jubilee weekend with a display of extravagant face-pulling and other antics, will join them.

Though I did argue against this at great length.

Maul: While it is understood that Andrew – seen out horse-riding at Windsor yesterday – is determined to keep his Royal Lodge estate in Windsor, one option could be for him to rebuild his life in Scotland.

While William, Kate and Andrew could all see big changes this summer, it appears to be little change for US-based Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.

It is claimed the couple only secured a 15-minute meeting with the Queen over the four-day Jubilee celebrations last weekend, with senior royal aides reportedly describing the tone as 'formal'.

The Mail on Sunday understands that concerns remain within the Palace that any return to public life would be badly received and that the Queen will not reverse her decision to ban Andrew from official duties.