English professional footballer, Jake Daniels, comes out as gay.

[quote]He's quite cute

not even DL-cute

Amazing that he's only 17, and that he's only played one professional game of football for his club, coming on a sub for the last 10 minutes.

He has shown a lot of promise though.

Good luck to him.

And the league has now finished for the summer so his club and team mates can absorb the news.

I'm trying to imagine what R1 possibly looks like.

So now that he’s out he’ll get benched, right?

is he talented?

there will be players who will shun him.

There is a player in PSG who refuses to wear gay pride jersey.

He's very cute. I now need to check out how hot his legs and thighs are.

He looks much older than 17.

Sanpaku eyes

Yes, looking at him, I expect that he’s already cycled through 2-3 open relationships and a blond phase, by this point.

This is good but why haven't any top players come out? Feels like not a lot has changed since Justin Fashanu.

[quote] There is a player in PSG who refuses to wear gay pride jersey.

Devil's advocate honest question: if he's straight, why should he?

In fact, why should anybody wear a "gay pride" uniform as part of their work attire? Unless you're working for a gay pride organization....

What is his eye color? He is cute a boy next door ordinary way. Unusually head/face shape.

I watched part of his interview and he talks like a man in his 30s, not a 17 year old who isn't old enough to vote.

R12 You sound like an insecure male. If it's a good cause and makes no difference to your life, why wouldn't you?

R12 is not a devil's advocate he's just the devil. An asshole.

No, r15; I just don't approve of my employer forcing me to endorse something, whether I agree with it or not. I believe in a strict separation of work from my personal life.

R11 he's the club's Youth Player of the Year. Blackpool are a Championship squad: the league below the top tier. Now that Jake's had the balls to step forward and be the first, hopefully that will pave the way for a more high profile player to follow suit.

R17 Ever thought that supporting causes is actually part of your employer's business? Because often it is. It's not just gay rights, I see companies supporting cancer charities, food banks and so on.

Football clubs in Europe are have fan-based, local origins. They do an enormous amount of community outreach and charity work as a necessity. There are club-supported teams, for special needs children, fundraising for mens health, cancer, mental health, celebrations of the contribution of mothers/partners/female fans to the game, outreach to racial and ethnic minorities and the LGBT community.

[quote] Amazing that he's only 17

Too old.

[quote] He looks much older than 17.

Pity.

Jake is the first UK male pro footballer to come out since 1990. That's THIRTY TWO years. I think that everyone, including me, should give him a little more credit for this.

I'll give him a few years, then if he wants an older male WAG, I wouldn't mind it.

There is obviously going to be some pushback on this from a lot of fans but the Premier League and most importantly the captains of other clubs will show leadership.

At the weekend Spurs beat Burnley and 2 Burnley fans were in the stands giving Nazi salutes because Spurs is seen as Jewish club. Brighton is seen a gay club and the players receive homophobic taunts from opposing fans.

Good for him to stand up and be counted in a sport where he will surely meet with abuse from the stands.

I was not that brave at 17.

His family, friends, teammates, fans, and all should be proud that such a young man in the spotlight demonstrates such strength of character.

Blackpool FC posted a statement on their twitter account and all the other English football clubs replied with messages of support.

It's really quite moving.

r19, and I don't think it's appropriate to tell the employees they must also support or endorse those charities. If I want to do so in my personal life, I will, but I simply don't think an employer should tell its employees what to think or believe. I work merely to put a roof over my head and food on my table, that's all.

Yeah, and did you see the Goat People swarming in response to those tweets, r26? It seems like every club that posted something supportive was immediately bombarded with hateful squiggles (or whatever you want to call that garbage). Soccer is such a paradox in that such a wimpy product on the field produces such psychos in the stands. Of all the pro sports I can think of, soccer is the only one where I think a top player coming out might be in real danger from fans.

A top soccer player coming out would be one of the bravest people on the planet, bar none.

[quote] Amazing that he's 17, and that he's only played one professional game of football for his club, coming on a sub for the last 10 minutes.

R2 jsyk, it's a completely normal trajectory in English football, for a junior player (anyone under the age of 19-21, basically) to have not broken in to the pro game at the top senior level. Actually, to have already started or come on the pitch for a pro game for the seniors at age 16/17 is an achievement--usually only one or two players in a team if that ever make it onto the grass with the big boys so soon. It's far more common to get a first senior cap at age 19-21. So Jake must either be quite a talent or quite a workhorse, if John Murphy (Blackpool U18 Manager) has sent him up with full confidence so soon.

For example, there's currently only one 18-year old (just had his birthday) playing for the senior England mens' team at the moment, Jude Bellingham, and he's been the first one in years to come through and get a cap at that young an age. The second-youngest senior squad players after Jude are all age 21 (and act like they’re 12).

The culture in the U.K. to produce these wunderkinds--young British lads who show footballing promise are plucked from mainstream schooling, and, for want of a better word, groomed for some 10 to 12 years so that they can run onto the field as professionals by the time they come of age. Even with this rigorous and specialised training, the nature of growth spurts and mental maturity mean that most boys are not thrown into the lions' den before about age 17/18-- their bodies and minds are not ready to play against grown men before this point.

He doesn't look 17 at all.

Why would someone embark on a career at 17. What about learning about the world first?

I knew I'd seen him somewhere before.

R30 when it comes to athletics they have to strike as early as possible. The UK doesn’t have athletic programs like the US. In the US he would be going to a college soccer team instead of professional, more than likely.

[quote]For example, there's currently only one 18-year old (just had his birthday) playing for the senior England mens' team at the moment, Jude Bellingham, and he's been the first one in years to come through and get a cap at that young an age. The second-youngest senior squad players after Jude are all age 21 (and act like they’re 12).

20 year old Bukayo Saka says hi!

[quote][R30] when it comes to athletics they have to strike as early as possible. The UK doesn’t have athletic programs like the US. In the US he would be going to a college soccer team instead of professional, more than likely.

??!! If Jake Daniels was American he'd be signed by a Major Soccer League club or would have been scouted and signed by a European club, and would be in contention for a place in the World Cup squad for Qatar.

That's not because Daniels is an outstanding talent - there's decent promise - but because the lack of talent in the US men's squad.

A positive welcome step. Good luck to him for the future.

Very brave thing to do at 17.

It'll help a lot of guys who are struggling with their sexuality.

17, and he's already got those thin old-man lips.

Good for him! Career over! Better start making contingency plans.

He’s British, when he turns 30 he will look 45 and when he’s 55 he will look 75. It’s just the way it is!

Friggin great hairline.

What is a 'footballer'.

Oooft that's amayzin bro!!! Wot a ledgund this kid iz!!!

Down't ackchullay knaow any gai playahs, I down't, but oi would loov to ave a mate who iz. Sow whenevah Jaike is down Manchestah way, oi'll havvim ovah moy house for FIFA sesh anytoime! Then aftah, oi'll sook him off or lettim fook mey (he can't coom in mey, thow, moy boyfriend wown't loike it).

He's British. They're all a bunch of fags over there.

Sports stars are prioritised as important by heterosexual society, especially straight men.

I'm happy for this guy but what he does isn't important to me and he's no more interesting or valuable than any other gay man, especially those who work in fields not valued by straight men.

Looks like he should be in the cast of Eastenders.

Does Jack Grealish know he has competition? Getting buggered isn’t just for Jack anymore

he's good. he scored 30 goals last year in the youth league and made his senior side debut at 17. that's impressive. he also signed a contract with Adidas earlier this year, they obviously think he has a bright future.

R44, we call them “athletes.”

R46 nah Jack's fine with it, I reckon!

After all, Jake is gay and seems an innocent quite sensible lad with a regular libido, not a foaming-at-the-mouth bisexual slut with experience. Different gimmick.

Hmm?

His head is shaped like a thimble in OP’s pic.

Oops, that link was too broad: Perry Smith.

Nice of defo-not-a-couple Carra & GNev over on Sky Sp0rts to use airtime as a vehicle to heap praise onto our brave Jake.

[quote] GARY NEVILLE: “It was Football [culture] holding Jake back, not actually Jake himself. He was incredibly honest about the fact that he first had these feelings [of homosexuality] when he was 5 and 6, and that these feelings have developed over a long period of time, and he's never felt comfortable speaking about them 'til now, *because* of football. That’s not right. We've created that---in terms of 'we', the wider football community, the changing room, how we view the game.”

West Bromwich Albion social media team said "homophobes get out of our stands"

Quite composed and candid for a such a young man as well as massively courageous. Wishing him every success and a safe journey to get there!

He looks much older than 17, and also an awful lot more mature! As if that weren't enough, he comes across as very masculine and doesn't even have a hint of gay voice

We didn't have beards in the 1970s. Are boys maturing and going through puberty earlier these days?

I mean, maybe a little facial hair back then, but we couldn't grow full beards.

Have you commenced stalking, R56?

What he lacks in lips he makes up for in head.

[quote]Amazing that he's only 17 Too old.

[quote]He looks much older than 17. Pity.

[quote]—Bryan Singer

Positively ANCIENT!

I knew a little guy who workrd as a cleaner for a share bouse of young footballers. They all knew he was gay, and got him to suck them off when they were horny, which was most of the time. They didn’t remotely see it as a gay thing: he was just a handy willing mouth. They used to also have wank contests shooting cum at a wall poster of a naked chick.

Very cute but too young for me. My best to him for coming out and a full filling life to him.

Pedo thread

R56 you like him now but then you will find out his boyfriend is a big obese guy and you will turn on him like that one other football guy..

R63 16 is legal in the UK and pedos are attracted to pre-pubescent children.

That doesn’t matter. DL has its own chronology. On DL, pedos are anyone who fancies someone under 22, and eldergays are anyone over 35.

He is very cute, 17 yrs old, and totally uncharted territory. YUMMY!! I need to do some exploration all over his "uncharted territory"!!

So this isn’t a 28yo man? He looks older than me

Rough looking 17 year old.

To R61,,,That is fucking hot!! At Northwestern in the early 1980's , I discovered a gloryhole in a ABS in Chicago(I was so naive).I spent hours "relieving stress" for lots of men(and myself). Crank, poppers, alcohol, and multi-cultural manseed!!

Nice profile.

He must be at least smarter than DL fave Jack Grealish.

Grealish is dumber than a box of rocks so that's a good bet. Grealish can't even point to where he's from on a map.

Oh, JAKE Daniels. I thought you were talking about Jak Daniel...

He looks like a cute cum dump. I hope he is happy.

R61 Please write more. You are a good nifty writer.

You can smell the smegma just by looking at his photo.

Hot in black.

What I really like is how tons of official twitter accounts for football clubs replied to the announcement positively. I think they're pretty much all united on this. The Justin Fashanu thing was awful.

Also, I have heard that Gary Speed killed himself just as a newspaper was going to out him...

Blackpool FC doesn't play in the Premier League. They're in a lower-tier league called "The Championship". No one outside of Blackpool has heard of this kid but kudos for coming out at the beginning of his career.

Justin Fashanu was disowned by his own brother, John Fashanu.

[quote]Also, I have heard that Gary Speed killed himself just as a newspaper was going to out him...

It was widely believed that Speed was one of many boys abused by paedophile coach Barry Bennell, although Speed had denied it. Another Welsh player coached by Bennell killed himself - Alan Davies was 30. when he killed himself in 1990. Speed was one of 4 men who Bennell coached who went on to kill themselves.

A BBC drama about footballer Andy Woodward who spoke publicly about being abused by Bennell is being shown tonight.

R40 Yes, he has shaved his widow's peak.

So masculine, thank goodness. He’s like Carl Nassib. Amazing!

R70 means American Bureau of Shipping (ABS)

R61 EWWWWWWWW at the last paragraph

He mentions GIRLFRIENDS in his interview. When did he find the time to date multiple girls, each one for months/years I'm assuming, if he's not even 18? When did he start, at 11? Weird

No, Nate. You're weird. And tiresome.

R85 Could be bi

He has been very courageous, and it is encouraging to see such a positive response. He is the new sensation and everyone will want to sponsor him. His management needs to handle him carefully or he will end up over exposed like Tom Daley.

Senior players need to come out now. There are allegedly many gay players who are stuck in the closet because they are scared of the fans’ reaction, the media, etc. If they came out it would mean even more than a young man at the beginning of his career who has nothing to lose.

Nothing to lose? The eldergays have less to lose.

If the elder statesmen of football came out the fans would have to rearrange their minds when they realise their heroes go up inside the man . Or even better, the man goes up inside them.

R72/R73....huh, y'wot?

Yowshullay when oldah men say rude stoof abowt mey, they wanna fook mey. Oi down't moind, oi haven't had cock forra bit (since this morningh).

He’s undoubtedly hot but I have to wonder how he’s 17 looking like that. His jaw is really developed, he looks at least 25. When I was 17 although other boys were big and tall and sometimes muscular, they almost always had baby faces. They were boys, not men, and looked like it.

Wonder what they’re putting in the water in Blackpool if their kids are growing up this fast haha.

R95 most Under-21s don't look that much different from Jake, though...

[quote] Wonder what they’re putting in the water in Blackpool if their kids are growing up this fast haha.

a lorra, lorra spunk

Is this thread not attracting interest ‘cause DL is US heavy?

In the context of English and worldwide football this is a big fucking deal.

[quote]In the context of English and worldwide football this is a big fucking deal.

I'm in Europe (not UK) and it was on the national news here

Will lends his support.

[quote] Blackpool FC doesn't play in the Premier League. They're in a lower-tier league called "The Championship". No one outside of Blackpool has heard of this kid.

Daniels may be young and fairly unknown now, but he is undeniably a pro-player in a major League, with a significant position in the game.

The Championship, aka the EFL (English Football League), is Tier 2 of 10 in the Football Association (F.A.)-designated pyramid of top English/Welsh playing divisions (nb. Scotland & Ireland/ROI have different hierarchies), in which Tier 1 is the EPL (English Premier League) that everyone knows globally. So the EFL really isn't 'lower-tier', and players in that division are hardly obscure. EFL players are well-paid full-time professions, who can be traded between global clubs on the open market. EFL players even get call-ups for the national squad, though this doesn't happen quite as often as it should. Sports supplements in the national papers have a page for Championship match reviews, in which specific players are discussed. Tiers 2-5 of English/Welsh division football get more media attention and sponsorship than the top level leagues of less popular sports, like say netball or cycling or angling.

The EFL has many Premier League-calibre players, many who have had misfortunes such as injuries or bad agents or lack of game time, and several Premier League-calibre teams, who simply can't quite afford the entry fee to the Prem or who haven't quite got the ideal management or squad cohesion to keep up with the Tier 1 contenders. Sometimes, teams at the bottom of the EPL table choose or embrace relegation to the EFL, because by accepting a demotion a team gets a financial compensation/cushion as well as less pressure to keep spending and playing beyond their means in order to keep up with the Guardiolas of the game. All this to say, the EFL is a serious high level, just not quite superstar standard like the EPL.

For actual 'lower-tier' football in England & Wales, you'd be looking at part-time or 'non-League' footballers, those found in divisions of Tiers 5-10 of the pyramid. These are the players who are not classified as official F.A.-calibre League players or professionals, who play as a side-job and can't make a living from football alone, who do have relative obscurity outside their hometown, and whose clubs aren't eligible for any big competitions (except the FA Trophy which literally any backwoods team can go for if they quality).

For example, the team of my old home county/city currently play in National League North, which falls in Tier 6 of the pyramid. A you'd expect, this is a team made up of local school/College kid players starting their careers, foreign players new to the English leagues but hoping to break in to a higher Tier by paying dues, and over-the-hill EFL/League 1/League 2 players who have aged/lapsed out of their professional sides. In our Skipper's younger days, he used to play for the (then) Premier League team West Bromwich Albion.

I guess he looks older because of all the testoserone from being an early developed athlete

[quote] What I really like is how tons of official twitter accounts for football clubs replied to the announcement positively.

All the queens in the social media departments are thrilled! Would be more interesting to see the reaction from some pub-goers in the town, r79!

[quote] I guess he looks older because of all the testoserone from being an early developed athlete

Or perhaps he supplements? r102

"Joe White, co-chair of Pride In Football, a network of UK LGBTQ+ fan groups, said it was "wonderful" news.

They said: "I can't stop smiling whenever we're talking about it so I think that says it all."

Mr White said that when they were young, football was "not a welcoming place" for LGBTQ+ people.

"I'd go to games and you'd hear homophobic chanting, homophobic slurs.

"And when you realise that, actually, those words are about someone like you, it makes it feel like football is an alienating place and not somewhere that you are welcome as your authentic self."

Mr White said having an openly gay footballer in the men's game, and "just seeing someone like you on the pitch", could have a "powerful" effect for LGBTQ+ fans."

EFL is England's NBA G league

R104 Can we drop the TQ+ now?

Good for him. But I wish a well known premier league player came out, not some nobody. He is in the same category as that Australian footie who came out who nobody had heard of before.

He's mad cute. I wish him the best, so big and don't give a fuck of him.

R107, Baby steps, baby steps. Let's just hope some Trans cunt doesn't try to outdo us.

[quote] coming on a sub for the last 10 minutes

Too bad to hear this, did the sub press charges?

R103 I don't doubt that he'll be getting some nasty homophobic chants and abuse but it does help to have official support from above. Fingers crossed he doesn't let it get to him and stays level headed.

He looks older because he's from Blackpool. It's as rough as fuck.

[quote] I wish a well known premier league player came out, not some nobody.

Problem is, every fan/player wants there to be an Out senior Prem player, only not in *their* team, because that will mean a vulnerability that could cost a game.

^^forgot to clarify---not meaning 'vulnerability' to imply that gay players are weak or bitches, rather just that opponents may choose to target such a player (an opponent trying to heckle or taunt will weaponise any perceived difference, even if that bigotry does not correlate with their true beliefs off the pitch). You don't want to give a team you're playing any excuse to go in on your players with a view to distracting from the game--focus needs to be on the ball and that alone.

r95, back in the 80s, I had two classmates in high school who could pass for over 20, yet one was my age and the other a year older. One of them even had a full beard.

(Naturally, they were the two guys I crushed on.)

R2, oh wow he's only 17. I feel so bad for lusting. I'm 33. So sorry, he looks much older.

[Quote] I feel so bad for lusting.

I had to LOL at one comment saying "His parents had ONE job: name him Jack"

He has restricted the comments on his IG. Wonder what he was afraid of. Maybe the reception hasn't been as warm as they make it out to be after all

Thanks to ballsy Jake, there's some retired 'legends' sweating through their M&S suits...

R119, nah, it was probably all the feet picture requests.

Oh hun, those are definitely not M&S suits. They fit too well.

If he wasn't big and physically mature for his age, he wouldn't be playing in a Championship squad. The fast, little guys come through later.

[quote]He has restricted the comments on his IG. Wonder what he was afraid of. Maybe the reception hasn't been as warm as they make it out to be after all

Black English footballers regularly get monkey emoji replies to anything they post, so it's not surprising if he gets abuse as well.

[quote]If he wasn't big and physically mature for his age, he wouldn't be playing in a Championship squad. The fast, little guys come through later.

He isn't part of a Championship squad, yet.

He's been playing with the youth team and only recently signed a professional contract with Blackpool. To date he played the last 10 minutes in the last game of the season in a match Blackpool lost 5-0 with the score being 3-0 when Daniels came on.

Theo Walcott was 16 when he made his Championship debut for Southampton and they agreed a transfer to Arsenal when he was still 16. After moving to Arsenal Walcott waited until he was 17 to sign a professional contract. In his first full year at Arsenal he played 16 times in the league and was targeted by older players because of he was perceived as physically weak.

The soccer sphere is 100 years behind the general public in gay acceptance, this in important

Excellent news that gay men can now start to join in on the shameless vocal thirsting for footballer dick that goes on in the fan communities.

all those people who said rainbow armbands on the Skippers wouldn't work and were pure tokenism....we just wanna talk....

R128, love the rainbow flag, but I just find the band a bit, erm, tacky

Jake's story made it on Loose Women!

he's cute and has beautiful legs🔥... wonder what his bottom looks like...

He's on Sir Ian McKellen's radar...

Somewhere Dele is aggressively filing his nails and whingeing to Eric "if this little slag starts styleriding or lurking outside my gaff there's gonna be an ISSUE"

He’s a cock loving bottom for sure, most tops aren’t really sure if they like pussy or not yet at 17 and if they do come out they come out as bi or pansexual bs.

R134 Like that David Barta dude. What ever happened to him anyway?

Interesting shaped head.

I like masc bottoms though I pictured him as a top.

He is 100% a bottom.

If Jake gets called up to England U19/U21s, he is gonna hear some wild homoerotic stories about the seniors. The fruitiest and most flexible bunch of ‘straight’ players in world football, them...

R128 It makes the guy look gay.....

R139 I wonder if his other team mates will start avoiding him....

Has Elton John telephoned him yet?

Has anyone asked him how he is?

He name-checked Tom Daley, so I don't think Elton is his target (assuming a 17-year old footballer knows who he is)..

Are Lance and Tom involved in all this?

Has he appeared on 'English Lads' as ... Jake Daniels, which sounds like a 'stage' name?

He's handling it really well so far

Good points, R144. Tom Daley is an eldergay to this guy lol

When Tom came out at 19, Jake was 8, so he would be the obvious sporting role model.

Because if soccer players idolize anyone, it's divers.

Really, more gay players can only be a positive for the sport and the business of it.

The groupie/WAG culture is poor for morale and focus, and leads to embarrassing press scandals that devalue commodities.

He actually said Daley inspired him, R150 - this isn't a random assertion.

You know what it is about Jake Daniels coming out that’s so wild to me? It’s his age. Because he’s just so SO young, still a boy in some ways really, and he’s got his whole career ahead of him.

Like, this is undoubtedly going to shake things up in the football world even more as he progresses. It’s not a one-and-done. It’s going to radically alter his entire experience of existence.

And that makes what he’s done braver than if it had been a more established older player. At 17 he’s in totally uncharted territory. It shouldn’t be that way, but he’s essentially defining himself as ‘the gay player’ before his adult life and career’s even started, incurring all the danger that comes with it, and YET here he is, bravely owning it anyway and choosing to take the high proud open road.

He’ll be hoping to transfer one day. He’ll be hoping to excel in the Prem one day. He hasn’t got a clue how he’ll be received as his career progresses (as much as we hope times have changed, there’s a reason he’s the first in 30 years). and still he’s taken the leap, made the first move, and come out anyway, for the sake of his peers and successors in the game.

This is fucking massive of him. He’s a trailblazing football icon, and we fans are so very very proud 🏳️‍🌈

All the praise still pouring in from clubs...lovely to see it.

Hopefully, their players & staff & fans will back that up on the pitch...

R153 I totally agree with you. He looked at his life, what he valued, and decided that he wanted to compete on his own terms without compromise from the outset.

Will Ronaldo be next?

R156 ugh no we don’t want him mate. Leave the plastic scum in the closet to rot.

Ronaldo = angry little bitch.

Ronaldo and Badr 4 Evah!

I hope he won't play with any players from Africa. they are homophobes.

that PSG player was praised by his 2 friends who said he was a real man. they are from Senegal

R160 South/Latin Americans tend also to be vocal and intolerant homophobes.

Though the tide there is beginning to turn, too...

Those homophobic African players need to be racially abused more. Fucking cunts.

[quote] Because if soccer players idolize anyone, it's divers.

A diver is not respectable, belongs on their knees. A slut, if we’re honest.

Fuck off R162. Abuse them, yes, a lot, racially abuse them no.

R140 um excuse you Jordan Henderson is straighter than straight why would you say that?? All hetero him yenno..

He's getting positive feedback because he's young and cute. He has very sweet eyes

The gumption of that lying little slag Grealish, giving a statement to the press (admittedly, a very nice and respectful one) about Jake’s brave step forward, while at the same time sacking off a crucial season-deciding Man City training session he’s meant to be at, so he could go and do a charity event as an excuse to meet up with his hush boyfriend instead.

[quote] Jack Grealish is now part of a national outreach programme, to make the sport more inclusive and accessible for the country's most deprived children. He says, “I saw there was a guy in Australia, in the A-league that came out, and I hope it pushed Jake Daniels to be able to think he could do that as well. And I think now, fingers crossed, for everyone that can be a big step forward because football is for absolutely everyone. [Jake, coming out] showed a lot of courage, and no one can disagree with that. I think it's absolutely brilliant, and it's a massive step forward." As well as Manchester City's Jack Grealish, Liverpool's Jordan Henderson sneaked in an extra training session in the sun.

Wonder how the Prem footballer who wrote that anonymous open letter about the torment of being closeted feels now? Inspired? Encouraged? Embarrassed?

Damn, that boy is going to have a summer of unlimited cock and ass. And he's only 17. What a dream for any gay teen!!

r169 And then he's gonna catch monkeypox, the new psychopandemic

R169 he won't be getting it from other players, though...

The same-sex activity that goes on in football takes place between players (whether gay, bi or flexible) who all have an unspoken understanding that "this never leaves the circle". Interestingly, by breaking the silence, Jake has set himself apart and put himself at remove from those other players with homosexual desires, because he is willing to step out of the circle and say something. These downlow players will feel unsafe around Jake, because of his honesty.

R129 the rainbow armband gave me my life back wtf

R171 And you know this because? Plus, I doubt that, just because he's come out, now he's gonna go around shouting "Ladies and gents, this is my BF" or "Ladies and gents, I fucked this guy last night". Doesn't seem like the type

[quote] I doubt that, just because he's come out, now he's gonna go around shouting "Ladies and gents, this is my BF" or "I fucked this guy last night". Doesn't seem like the type.

No-one predicted this, or even suggested or implied it. You alone made that leap.

R173 We all thought Carl Nassib was gonna cower but instead he talked about his boyfriend in interviews, posted him on his stories and invited him to games. Never underestimate the freedom that coming out brings

MAGA Carl Nassib.

It's a very good decision coming out early in his life and career. This mean he can easily switch to other career if the homophobic football sphere is too much for him. 10 years from now he still can goes to college and have a completely new career.

R176 that's besides the point

But true.

MAGA Carl Nassib.

R174 That is EXACTLY what you said, idiot. You implied no one would sleep with him cause he'd tell. Learn to read

R179 Oh, shut the fuck up and go take your 5th shot, ya libturd!

R180 if you’d take the time to reread my initial comment, you’ll see, in fact, that the point I made was: no other *current player* still *in the closet* will want to risk sleeping with him, for fear of potentially outing themselves, because while Jake’s action is a sea-change, the tide is sti high so to speak. No-one in the mens’ senior game is quite ready for open casual gay relationships & hookups to be made plain, as they are in the womens’ game.

And you’ll note that I said nothing about non-Prem-footballer gay men being off-limits as romantic/sexual prospects for Jake, whether in or out of the business—maybe he’ll fall for and date a linesman or referee or coach or a non-League player, who knows?

As it goes, I’m confident that Jake with his sterling qualities and nice looks can have any other man he wants—just not one that with whom he’s on the pitch fighting over a plastic ball. Which is fine, because being as open and mature and accepting as he has, why would he want a self-loathing closet-case jock moron anyway? Prem footballers might have great bodies and cash to splash, but beyond that they’re poor relationships prospects. Jake deserves better.

Terribly sorry that you missed the nuance of my point.

That's a silly suggestion. Most sleep with one another behind closed doors.

By 'sleep' I assume you mean 'fuck', 'make out' or 'have sex'. Why the useless euphemism?

It works as an umbrella term, dear.

R183/R184 seem very wound, and it’s a bit offputting. Pop a Vicodin, wash it down with a nice cup of tea, and have a sit down, loves. This is only a conversation, you know.

Do you mean r182?

R182 Drop dead you and your stupid semantics

If the person in that photo is 17, then I must be 12.

He's only 17 in DL years R189.

R55 What an extraordinary young man! And beautiful legs, too!

Where's the sizemeat verificatia queen?

At least Jake isn't a self-hating UK Deplorable like MAGA Carl Nassib.

Did he present hole?

Daniels is beyond brave, he's very mature: quite determined, and dignified.

He's also very into punctuation.

[quote] He's also very into punctuation.

Very anal

And he loves playing with balls.

People on here acting gross and pervy over a 17. Ewwwww.

R199

typical day on DL, you must be new

I imagine he is a virgin.

R199 he's legal at 16 in the UK so grow up.

However, he abhors a widow's peak.

He doesn't have a widow's peak at all.

R168 All those closet queen must feel totally humiliated by this 17-year-old

R205 yes as they should!! Their cowardice has forced a boy to risk it all and be the first to go over the top into the hail of bullets. No honour among these so-called heroes..

As if. They know his coming out isn't the end of it.

More importantly does Jake want Liverpool or Man City to win the Prem today?

Right answer only!! otherwise I can’t support him😔

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[quote][R199] he's legal at 16 in the UK so grow up.

The age of consent is 16 in most cases but 18 if the partner is in a "position of trust" so his club manager, agent, team captain, physio etc would be breaking the law if they had consensual sex.

There are suggestions that a retired ex England Premier League star could come out in a documentary. I'd like to think it's lovely Danny Welbeck, but he's still very much a Premier League player.

R209 God, another one? Is everyone gay in football? Is it the constant exposure to irresistibile hot sweaty half naked men in the locker room? And when is this other dude supposed to come out, anyway?

[quote] Is it the constant exposure to irresistibile hot sweaty half naked men in the locker room?

Uhm yeah pre’y mooch...loike oi sez, wun sniff in the dressin room and oi hafta bend ovah yennow...

got the impression R210 that it was an ex-England but still a premier league player but I may have got that wrong.

"Could Come Out"? Fuck off. Shit or get off the pot.

Nobody here acting gross and pervy over a 17 is in that position of trust R210.

^17yo

Gross and pervy? Where?

r210 In Italy, age of consent is 14,16 if the other one is in a "position of trust". I'd say it's fair. In many Mexican States, it's 12 O.O

r215 Quit acting like a prude, ya 'mo. Nobody is raping him through the screen or whatever. In Italy, anyone over 14 is fair game. Who waits until 35 to get some action, anyway? Man, them Mrkans are such prudes!

He is very brave, coming out at the very beginning of his career is totally uncharted territory

How far into his career was Justin Fashanu?

Fashanu was an established player, he was almost 30 when he came out.

Hopefully times changed, because Fashanu was treated awfully bad

Hate to say this, but part of the problem for Justin Fashanu was his homophobic brother, and also his difficult and unstable childhood.

Justin was born to staunch Christians from an African background (Nigerian-Guyanese), who could not take care of children, and so he was placed into foster-care at age 6, along with his younger brother John. After a few years’ stint in the rather dreadful and unforgiving English foster-care system of the 1970s (one wonders about the likelihood of abuse...), both brothers were taken in by an older couple from Norfolk.

When, many years later, the news broke about Justin’s death, his suicide note told the tale—Justin concluded his short farewell with the words, ‘I do not want to give any more embarrassment to my friends and family‘. He clearly believed that imprisonment—American authorities later admitted that, had Justin lived and been found, he would have been looking at extradition and trial with a potential 20-year sentence—on top of a public outing would heap shame upon his ancestors and associates, not just himself. To reinforce this belief, John publicly disparaged his late sibling for his sexuality, even going so far as to say that Justin was not really gay but rather “seeking attention” and chasing a sexual thrill (he retracted this statement more recently). After Justin’s passing, neither set of his parents could be tracked down for any statement or comment.

As far as we know, Jake comes from a more tolerant and settled background, living with his birth family who are not only more modern but seem more stable and loving and supportive. It seems likely that Jake won’t face all that Justin did, mostly because Jake ensured that destructive and poisonous shame would not be a part of his adult to life come, and took away any leverage others may try to have over him early on.

R209 is it foolish to hope for someone interesting and charismatic?

Jake only mentioned a mother and sister, right? He probably grew up without a father.

[Quote] is it foolish to hope for someone interesting and charismatic?

Someone like you?

R225 A man who was in a relationship with Jake's mother for several years posted a very sweet message on Twitter, saying what a great kid Jake was growing up. Sounds like he had a decent father figure for some time.

Wonderkid

It's really lucky Jake came out ten days ago and not this weekend, because from tonight (depending on the result) many thousands of fans are gonna be heartbroken and not want to hear any news or headlines about football for a couple of months. It's a game where emotions often run very high.

It's also lucky for Jake that he doesn't currently play for a top-table Prem club or come from the youth training academy of one. Life would have been a bit of a dicey prospect for him today as a Manc or a Scouser. As it is, no-one's really troubled by Blackpool F.C. or their fans, respectable and strong as they are in their division.

R209 As long as it’s someone hot….

R230 praying it's not a former Manchester City player. Their team and their management & owners are utter scum.

R231 When is this other dude coming out?

Jake got a segment on Good Morning Britain the other day. We Hollywood now!

Steven Gerrard tells Jake, "I understand your courage."

As a LampErrard truther, this makes me giddy as a schoolbitch! (YES, ok, Stevie was referring to his friendship with Robbie Rogers, but just let me have this)

Handball is so much more progressive than football. This pro handball player is the second pro player to come out as gay within a month! This would never happen in football.

How much money is there in handball...?

Most handball players are from western Europe no? Unlike football which has lot of muslim freaks in each team.

Pundit and presenter Laura Woods has added her praise.

R236 in my thirty years of life around sports players, I have never once encountered a handball player or a handball game.

It’s one of those sports that only matters or even registers to the tiny circle of people who participate. Like futsal, or water polo.

R239 Not true at all, it's pretty big in Europe.

I only see handball at the Olympic games

Handball is a minority sport, but a well known one in most european countries

[quote] When is this other dude coming out?

Maybe....

R238 Who cares what this bimbo thinks? She's got more make-up than sense.

If the established player coming-out isn't a Carragher/Neville double-reveal then what are we even doing here?

Beckham Scholes

R245 again, when is this other "more famous" player supposed to come out?

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R249 You can start ANSWERING my question instead, you fuck face

r249 and r249 need to sit down together and talk it out over a bruski.

The pro who comes out is gonna end up being Eric Dier and his phat arse I can feel it....

and when it happens R*tnaldo in his self-loathing shame will end up banishing Eric from Portugal forevermore

[quote] Jake Daniels has come out in a television interview

That was ten days ago. What has he done since?

R252 Jake is a schoolkid as well as a pro-footballer, the homework has probably piled up. Give him a break.

Plus he needs time to process and deal with his emotions, get his mentality back right. It's a draining and wracking thing to go public about something you've kept bottled up for many years.

[quote] the homework has probably piled up.

Why is he splashing his private life across the international media when he should be doing his schoolwork?

Private life? Who's his bf?

Who's his bf and where are the pictures?

And how is he properly monetising his dick action?

Where are the pictures?

He follows a lot of older muscular gay men on instagram. Including some onlyfans whores and the London Seacow Sam Smith.

R258 Sam Smith is a sellout and a self-loather, he doesn't want to be a gay man. Last person Jake should be following or looking up to.

R259 Right and should a 17 year old be following this muscle mary whore? He needs better role models.

He's also following a woman with an Only Fans account.

Not sure he's managing his own Instagram. It was mostly footballers and some private accounts until he signed with Adidas earlier this year. Someone in his management team would have added Tom Daley, Sam Smith. Calum Scott and Elton John.

what 17 year old (gay or straight) doesn't follow some older thirst trapping instahos? y'all are weird

The OP needs better pictures. The first picture makes him look like a simpleton.

Aww Jake’s ‘thank you for your support’ message to fans and his football club is really sweet🌤🏆💓

Adidas? Really? How come this kid is drawing this much attention?

R265 he announced a partnership with Adidas months ago, before he came out. it's because they sign with promising young players before they become big names. sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. and he has the talent. last year he was the leading scorer on the U18 team with 30 goals and took them deep into the youth FA Cup.

His dead with Adidas is that he'll wear their boots and may get a few grand a week for it.

It's not like Freddie Ljungberg and his cheekbones advertising Calvin Klein.

R267 yep, it’s a common method of sponsorship in the Premier League. Dozens of players have similar deals, for boots or kit or fitness tech or specialised food.

Watching Justin James of Leicester City F.C. making his England team debut this week, I'm wondering if he could be our mystery closet-case. He has gayvoice.

What else has this kid done over the last week? When is the half-yearly exam?

Any news about him? Is he a slut in the locker room now that the new season has started?

R271 He did the right thing announcing it at the end of the season, as everyone's forgotten who he is now. Premier League gays take note.

I wonder what his dating/sex life post-coming out has been like. Is he inundated with willing bussy?

[quote]He did the right thing announcing it at the end of the season, as everyone's forgotten who he is now. Premier League gays take note.

Blackpool have played 5 games this season so far. 4 league matches and 1 cup match. He wasn't in the squad for any of them.

He's not a full squad member - he's on Blackpool's website being part of the development team.

A lot of people with no knowledge of football thought he was on par with Marcus Rashford or Raheem Stirling.

R274 Well, to be fair, the media did make it seem like he was a big player.

He's still only 17. i saw he isn't playing with their youth team either. hope he gets to continue his playing time somewhere, he was their leading scorer last year

mystery solved... 2 days ago he played for their academy (U18) squad. He forced a couple of saves but they lost 1-0. As of now he's not on the senior side

A Scottish footballer has come out.

The term "professional footballer" sounds quite misleading as I doubt he earns a big enough wage from "Gala Fairydean Rovers" to live off without any other income.

But still congrats Zander

Bullshit. I don't believe for a minute he is queer. He is clearly just a narcissist who wants all the virtue signaling attention. Fuck this wanker.

R279 Nobody would pretend to be gay. At least not men. There's a stigma onmale homosexuality. PS: He looks hot

R279 is the narcissist troll. We’ve been waiting for you…

R279 He plays football and nobody comes out on that field, not even retired players. Too many far right fans to deal with

R279 must be the Carl is straight troll, branching out.

R281 Fuck you, I am the one who attacks that cunt every chance I get and I will be adding it to every thread.

R284 We all know it's still you, you frau. And tell you what, CMC is gay, too!

He is cute.

R6 making people wear gay pride jerseys is over the top. People can be supportive without being expected to wear such gear.

R287 Well, that player is not supportive at all

he scored a goal in yesterdays match

[quote]he scored a goal in yesterdays match

The under 18s match.

R290 yes. the academy team

Good article on Jake and his coming out in British Vogue. Some nice pics to boot. Seems like the lad has his head well screwed on.

He's cute (adjacent), but that haircut is awful and that beard's not normal for a 17-year-old. Also, he had to take his driver's test FOUR times? lol

R293 I find him perfectly adorkable... and he'll improve with age. He has charm and swagger in spades.

R294 Hi, Jake 👋

R295 Ahhh, you flatter me, Crnkovich. If ONLY to be so young again. Old rugger here, who admires him is all. He's a brave young lad, and I've already sung his praises ages ago upthread. I honestly feel slightly pervy admitting that I find him cute, but he's like a very young Bordeaux... give him awhile to develop, and lose some of the immature tannins, and he'll amount to something special I reckon.

[quote]Also, he had to take his driver's test FOUR times? lol

That's about the weirdest diss I've ever heard. The absolute freaks we have posting here on DL...

R297 haha I’ve had to take my driving test eight times and still haven’t passed. It’s not stupidity, as I have degrees and a white-collar job. Just spicy ADHD & anxiety making it hard to physically focus on a multi-tasking operation such as driving.

The UK Driving Test is considered to be more difficult- in general - to pass than tests in the US (tho the degree will vary according to which State's test it's compared to)

r297 It's just ridiculous lol

He should try getting a motorcycle instead lol Besides, England is very pedestrian-friendly (unlike the Mrkan Midwest), so there might not even be enough room there for a car in the first place lol

R299- Maybe it’s the fact that they drive on the wrong side of the road.

r298 You should get yourself checked. Everyone passes theirs and it doesn't exactly take them 8 tries. There must be something VERY wrong with you, because I doubt the rest of the country is made up of geniuses

r294 Anyways, if you find him "perfectly adorkable" despite that weird haircut, those bushy brows and the fact that he generally looks over a decade older than his real age, you should consider Spencer Bright (turquoise hoodie below) an Adonis. I mean, if you really wanna be consistent... PS: Will you lewk at that irresistible face of his? Awwwwwww

R303 what can I say? I'm just better, just different gravy ;) It's the way the cosmos is telling me that I should actually be chauffeured everywhere and that it is beneath me to drive!

R299 Indeed. I'm from the UK and our driving test is pretty tough, as one major fault means an instant fail. The problem is that many things fall into the definition of a 'major' fault - even if you stop slightly over the white line when at traffic lights. (For context, in the UK, the white stop line is far back from the junction.)

In addition, you can only make the same minor fault two times. Make the same minor fault again in the test, it's an instant failure.

Add to that, most people here drive cars with manual gears, which adds to the difficulty.

And, while anyone says I'm making excuses for multiple driving test failures, I actually passed first time. My brother failed twice and he's actually a very good and safe driver.

Oh dear, Jake's team Blackpool have been relegated tonight.

[quote] And the league has now finished for the summer so his club and team mates can absorb the news.

Absorb what news? Coming out as gay today is the same as coming out straight. 99% of people don’t care anymore.

He looks like actor Matthew James Bailey on Hollyoaks.

He won't be allowed to play in Florida

To celebrate the anniversary of him coming out Jake has done some media engagements and OMG I'm welling up now but he's got himself a boyfriend!!!

Well I say boyfriend. More like a daddy because Jake's soulmate is 46, a whopping 28 years older than teenager Jake.

Anyway, congrats to Jake and Mark.

r311 Ewwww at the age difference. And, if his "BF" is almost 3 decades older, it means he must be a bottom. Shame, was hoping for the opposite

Robbie Rodgers and Tom Daley both did the same thing. It’s a gay sports rule.

“Though must come out and days some 30 years older”

There's absolutely nothing unusual about wanting to be with someone substantially older who already knows how to navigate the gay life and -- most importantly -- knows how to navigate in the sack because18-year-olds famously are shit in bed. This has been happening since time immemorial. Also, it's very much not a lock that he's a bottom. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I agree wholeheartedly R314. But there is something unsettling about a 45 year old hitting on a 17 year old or being receptive to his advances.

r314 And who told you 18-year-olds are bad in the sack? Stupid eldergay generalization. And it's creepy AF

r314 I'm not hearing all them teenagers complaining about "getting bad sex" just because they're young, when that's actually the stage of your life at which you're at your horniest. Retard

Not to mention, apparently his boyfriend DMd him when he came out 2 years ago, and they've been seeing each other ever since. If you don't find it disgusting (as well as illegal, since he was underage), you're just as much of a pedo as this dude. Just because everyone is in his 90s on here and can relate doesn't make it any less nauseating! SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!

r316 Because I was also an 18-year-old once who was hooking up with other 18-year-olds and I know they are no tantra experts, to put it mildly. Only in your deranged eldergay mind do kids have amazing sex with each other.

Honestly, you might be too stupid to function.

[quote]Not to mention, apparently his boyfriend DMd him when he came out 2 years ago, and they've been seeing each other ever since. If you don't find it disgusting (as well as illegal, since he was underage), you're just as much of a pedo as this dude. Just because everyone is in his 90s on here and can relate doesn't make it any less nauseating! SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!

COMMUNITY NOTES FACT CHECK!

Jake Daniels came out a year ago, not two years ago.

Jake Daniels was 17 when he came out, making him 18 now

The age of consent in the UK is 16, unless the older party is an "authority figure" in which case it is 18, so provided "Mark, 45" wasn't Jake's teacher, football coach, doctor, priest etc, the relationship is perfectly legal.

That doesn't make Mark's actions especially pleasant.

r320 Yes, a year ago and not 2. And it was borderline illegal since it was just one year older than the legal age. In many other European countries he would've been prosecuted. But it's still disgusting. Geez, dude, what's wrong with you? Couldn't you find someone your own age or closer to it? There are so many hot 20 and 30 somethings to date! Ewwwwwwww And I agree it seems like an unwritten rule in sports

Quelle surprise that our insane Eyetalian poster would go into a blind rage and start calling fellow gays pedos, even though nothing illegal is taking place.

A profoundly self-hating homo, though that's already been established in the coming out threads.

r319 That might apply to gay guys, but certainly not straights. What do I even know about gays?

I have to agree with Nate on this one: this is icky AF. And, out of all the congratulatory DMs he got (allegedly around 20K), are you telling me there was no one hotter and more age-appropriate for Jake to choose to date? At least Nassib and Dahl were born in the same year!

It might have something to do with the average age on this forum, but how can you possibly applaud this? It gives me the creeps

r319 And honestly, you might be a paedophile

Ewwwww he was so masc, was hoping he would be a top. Another disappointment! Canceled!

Why would a 46-year-old grown-ass man go after an underage teenager? DiCrapio was called the p word for doing the exact same. Honestly, there's just so much shit going on in the LGBTQWERTY world that I might just turn straight 🤮🤮🤮

This thread

[quote][R316] Because I was also an 18-year-old once who was hooking up with other 18-year-olds and I know they are no tantra experts, to put it mildly. Only in your deranged eldergay mind do kids have amazing sex with each other. Honestly, you might be too stupid to function.

I get this point of view. A horny inexperienced 17/18 year old wants someone experienced to have sex with. I get that. I did it when I was 21 and came out, and most of the men I shagged were in their 30s.

[quote]Why would a 46-year-old grown-ass man go after an underage teenager? DiCrapio was called the p word for doing the exact same. Honestly, there's just so much shit going on in the LGBTQWERTY world that I might just turn straight 🤮🤮🤮

And I endorse this point of view. What 17 year old would not be interested in a fuck with Anthony Mackie, Usher, Tom Ellis, Ben Cohen the rugby player (people born in 1978) but the onus is on the older guy to accept it's creepy for a man that age to be fucking a 17 year old.

Dan Savage had a term for this experience, something like the "picnic area" of intergenerational dating, where the older person has to make sure the young person is in good condition when done.

So, he's a 17-year-old bottom lewking for a father figure helping him navigate the real world. From now on, I'm just gonna assume "gay" to be synonymous with "bottom". There are no gay tops in the real world: they're all on the Datalounge!

He's a bottom then, quelle surprise.

Manuel Neuer would be a top if he came out, I'm sure 🤭

So am I really supposed to believe he went through all the 20K+ DMs he got last year and picked this much older guy to be his BF out of all his 20K+ suitors? Yeah, right! How did they REALLY meet? 🤔

19.9k of those would have been other bottoms, R333.

I'm so sad I looked at Jake's instagram and his most recent follows include a couple of daddys. He's also following red flags PHILLIP SCHOFIELD, PAUL BURRELL AND DAVID FURNISH.

Oh honey, just no.

He's following Mark Alford, director of Sky Sports News but Mark appears to be early 40s not 46.

And on Twitter he's following gay Sky Sports reporter Mark McAdam, who appears to be late 30s.

And Jake is following a guy in his 60s or even 70s.

R321 How was it borderline illegal? If he was over the age of consent there is nothing borderline about it, it was legal.

Sportsperson following the media accounts of people of varying ages who are involved in sport SHOCKER!

I'm at a point in my life where I just want to put out a ciggie on Nate's forehead. Is that too much to ask?

r335 He likes what he likes. And he likes daddy meat. Right now, that is. Who knows what his preferences will be a decade from now.

r336 It's borderline illegal because it feels icky to him personally, that's about the gist of it.

If they'd just met I wouldn't say so much, but Jake made it clear this guy DMed him when he came out and he was only 17 then. He didn't turn 18 for another 8 months after that.

So it's definitely icky for a 45 year old guy to be DMing a guy that age. It's legal, but feels wrong in my opinion.

R338 Just because you're an old perv and pedo doesn't mean the rest of the world has to be fine with that. I'm going through the reaction on different social networks, and even on most gay pages they're mostly negative. If you'd touched grass for the past 20 years, you'd know

R336 Sure, let's normalize paedophilia. Then they wonder why them breeders stereotype and hate the LGBTQWERTY community so much 🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼

R339 It's borderline illegal because, had they been living in Commiefornia, where the aoc is slightly older, he would've been jailed. Which wouldn't have happened with a 22 or 25 yo boy 🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼

The happy couple.

I now have this song stuck in my head

R343 yeah and in a bunch of countries gay sex is still illegal, does that make consenting sex in your country between to 25 year olds ‘borderline illegal’? That’s some of the dumbest reasoning I’ve seen on here 😂😂😂

^*two (typing on phone!)

[quote] Robbie Rodgers and Tom Daley both did the same thing. It’s a gay sports rule.

There's only 14 years between Robbie and Greg Berlanti, and Robite was 26 when they met. According to Greg, they were introduced in-person by a friend at a party and saw each other as friends for almost a year before deciding to 'date-date'.

R344 Luckily, his beard makes him lewk older than he is, so the age difference doesn't seem too jarring. And, for all we know, Mark could've DMed him just to congratulate him and Jake the gerontophile could've taken it from there.

I just can't wrap my head around how he could filter 20K+ messages. Someone be lyin

[quote] I just can't wrap my head around how he could filter 20K+ messages. Someone be lyin

R349 Girl just read the fucking interview before you go on embarrassing yourself.

“ He went on: “There was one day, I was about to get on a train, and I went on my message requests just to have a gander and the top message was from my [now] partner, just congratulating me.

“I had a sneaky look on his Instagram, and I was like, ‘Alright!’ Dropped a message back and said, ‘Thank you so much,’ – and at the end asked something like ‘Is there anything else I can do for you?’ I knew what my motive was!””

r350 How awfully convenient: the top one out of 20K+! Again, someone be lyinnnnnnnnnn

Another Tom Daley. Oh dear.

Self-absorbed slut.

An ageing homosexual has taken issue with the homophobic ickiness at the age gap

[quote]Seeing a lot of moralising by gays today about an interview with the 18-year-old footballer Jake Daniels in which he talks lovingly about his 46-year-old partner. While two adults' consensual relationship is none of my business, what bothers me is some of the language being used.

[quote]Talk of 'predatory older men' 'taking advantage' of 'impressionable' younger men is EXACTLY the language that was used to keep the age of consent at 21 until 1994 & to oppose its eventual equalisation until 2000. It's also a very close cousin of the far-right 'groomer' narrative.

[quote]You can be impressionable, vulnerable or predatory at any age. And all relationships and interactions must start with consent. You can absolutely know your own mind and who you're attracted to at 18; you can be naïve & vulnerable at 46. There is no one-size-fits-all.

[quote]Age gaps might give you the ick, you might be uncomfortable reading about it, but talk of being 'predatory' and 'immoral' is a narrative that's been used to deprive gay men of equality for decades. Don't let's us, as gay men, turn that weapon back on ourselves.

I don't think it is homophobic, just icky.

If Millie Bobbie Brown (19) was to date John Cena (46) I'm sure people would question Cena more than Brown.

This is the tweet btw.

Someone replied to say "Especially because the heterosexual counterpart is not questioned in the same way …"

LEONARDI DI FUCKING CAPRIO IS CONSTANTLY RIDICULED FOR ONLY DATING WOMEN IN THEIR EARLY TWENTIES!

Out and proud Gays in professional sport have to look respectable to remain suitable for mainstream endorsement deals. That's why they partner up with older gents in public and keep the whoring more or less (like, Dailey's DMs with hot guys on social media) behind closed doors. Even retired sports guys like Colton Underwood do it.

I think we have to remember that one of the side effects of mainstreaming is that we start to adopt heterosexual norms, even when the core motivation (to protect women's status) doesn't really apply to homosexual relationships.

R355. That's because he serial dates women in their twenties. It comes off as really predatory.

This isn't quite the same thing. If this guy dumps Jake after he turns 21 so he can prowl the barely legal crowd then that would be more comparable.

R355 People joke about Di Caprio, but nobody calls him pederast. He is dating young hot models so is perfectly ok.

Yes, there are some vocal people on twitter, but twitter is not representative of real life

R359 Please, everyone knows he's a bearding fag

[quote] Jake made it clear this guy DMed him when he came out and he was only 17 then. He didn't turn 18 for another 8 months after that. So it's definitely icky for a 45 year old guy to be DMing a guy that age. It's legal, but feels wrong in my opinion.

It's England, pet, wind your neck in.

R.e. homophobia in the game, the commenters above who rightly say that the place we've arrived now is a tentative brave new landscape that needs protecting are correct. Any dub is a dub worth celebrating.

As recently as the late 1990s-2000s, it was not only commonplace but accepted in media & entertainment to mock both gay men/effeminacy & butcher lesbians who play football.

English women's football is dominated by lesbians. I think a few of the England women's team are straight.

R351 how is that convenient? Do you think he scrolled thru all 20,000 messages? Nobody has that kinda time. Even if it was lower, he still decided to check it and nobody forced him to reply, I’m not sure what kind of gotcha you’re trying to set up here 😭

R373 and yet those lesbians are still paid markedly less than their male counterparts, still endure perverted overtures and sexist chants from men in the stands, and have to play in boots & pads designed for men that injure them with more frequency or in kits that aren't amicable to menstruation.

Notice how it's almost never American male athletes who come out.

R365 They get paid less because they don't generate the same revenue.

[quote][R373] and yet those lesbians are still paid markedly less than their male counterparts, still endure perverted overtures and sexist chants from men in the stands, and have to play in boots & pads designed for men that injure them with more frequency or in kits that aren't amicable to menstruation.

Seriously, behaviour at women's football matches in England is a really healthy environment. It's a huge family experience, safe to take young kids with affordable tickets.

The kits have been changed so women can wear darker shorts but yes there have been significant injuries this season and the boots are part of that.

[quote][[R373]] and yet those lesbians are still paid markedly less than their male counterparts,

And the household name lesbians are better paid than Jake Daniels, a teenager with hardly any league experience in a team that's just been relegated.

I read this as Jack Daniels.

It's legal and creepy. I had sex with plenty of daddies when I was his age, and enjoy younger guys now that I'm in my 30s, but I can't imagine DATING a teenager

No info about his father online.

Shocking

[quote] I had sex with plenty of daddies when I was his age, and enjoy younger guys now that I'm in my 30s, but I can't imagine DATING a teenager

This is such a perfect example of the relative respectability politics at play here. R371 has decided that what he does is fine and appropriate, but anything past the point of what he does himself is inappropriate and creepy.

R371 certain commenters on this thread and the age gap pearl clutcher losers on twitter would call you inappropriate and creepy for what you’ve just said, do you think that’s ok?

The only important factor here is whether it was legal and consensual, both of which have been satisfied. Anything past that is just people being judgmental. You’re also telling this young gay guy that he’s a victim of some sort of sexual abuse when he’s trying to celebrate his relationship, not cute.

[quote] And the household name lesbians are better paid than Jake Daniels, a teenager with hardly any league experience in a team that's just been relegated.

We have an old saying about that in England.

R373 gays being judgmental?? NEVER!

I said nothing about him being a victim, just that it's creepy.

r371 It's ok, you're still disgusting AF, you old fart! Have you been checked for STDs? Gee, no wonder this community falls victim to certain stereotypes! Thank God I ain't part of it!

^^this thread has basically devolved into

R311 sad and sick

Just ignore the "you're a pedo" troll. He constantly use the word faggot in several threads too.

I just listened to Jake Daniels' half-hour podcast interview with host, Rylan Clark, in his "How to Be a Man" series at BBC Radio 4. and wow, for an 18-year old, Jake is very well-spoken and comes across as a really nice, intelligent young man. .. "Inspirational" is the term Rylan used at the conclusion, and I couldn't agree more.

btw - In the interview, Rylan read the email that Jake sent to his family when he decided to tell them he was gay, and in it he explained why his teammates couldn't find out yet, because he felt that being around other guys 24/7, he'd be judged, then adding, "The thing is, I don't have any attraction to lads my own age, but obviously no one's going to believe me."

r380 Then sounds as though he's the one with the problem here! Anyhoo, you could definitely tell he was a bottom by the fact he came out so early (unusual for a time when many celebs barely even do, sometimes not even on their deathbed): thirsty whore was desperate for a daddy

I've been here on this board for nigh on 20 years, and yet these words

[quote]you could definitely tell he was a bottom by the fact..

Still gets a laugh at how fucking thick as mince the poster (yes that's you R381) that make it is!

r382 You might wanna go back to kindergarten and learn the English language, cause your post was in gibberish. The nerve to call others thick, cunt!

Did anybody understand what the retarded cunt upthread tried to say?

Anyway, I'm so fucking tired of posting on this stupid forum with so many trolls. This'll be my last post on here. Keep having fun and assuming everyone's straight

^^^all together now!

R349 is right -- if you go through Jake's Instagram follows, it's obvious he's a gerontophile.

[quote] Jake explained why his teammates couldn't find out yet, because he felt that being around other guys 24/7, he'd be judged, then adding, "The thing is, I don't have any attraction to lads my own age, but obviously no one's going to believe me."

What a pity, he's missing out on the best parts of being on a football team.

r387 So that's his dirty little secret! Oooooooooooooh (or should I say ewwwwwwwwwwww)

R380 thanks, I stuck that podcast on earlier while making dinner and it was a pleasant listen.

Jake put in a respectable appearance on $ky Sports last week, too. Quite a polite kid, and handling all the press well.

R152/R132 Jake knows Tom Daley personally, now. They've probably got a lot to talk about.

r388 Yeah, being surrounded by straight guys

Ewwwwww perv! "I don't have any attraction to lads my own age!". Well, even a 25-year-old is much older than you, you little bitch! 😒 Can't you date one of those instead of someone pushing 50? Ewwwwww canceled! 🤮 I'm gonna be sick 🤮

Leave him alone.

R394 d'accord

I agree. Who the fuck wants someone over 25?

R396 The ones under 26 definitely have the hardest cocks….

Jake's got a good strong head on his shoulders. Literally. He'll go far. Soooooo.

R398 With the these daddy issues as early baggage, I’d doubt that……

r399 Yeah, I wonder what did happen between him and his father during his childhood

R400 There's mention of his childhood in the lengthy March 12 Sunday Times (UK) interview-article with him. There doesn't seem to be any problem with his father.

[quote] Daniels had planned on never telling anyone he was gay. He knew he was by the time he joined Blackpool FC at the age of seven. His parents had divorced when he was two, but his dad lived five minutes away and he was close to both parents; they weren’t the reason why he kept quiet. I had assumed it was concern for his future football career — but what he was really worried about, he says, was losing his friends.

And after telling his mother and sister (the two he lives with) that he was gay, the article says: "Coming out to his wider family in the days that followed went equally well," and the problem Daniels goes on to describe came later when his mother found out he was communicating with a 34-year old man.

[quote] Coming out to his wider family in the days that followed went equally well, but a few months later things began to get bumpy. By now he can smile and tell it as tragicomic farce, but at the time it must have been awful for everyone. Too young to go to a gay bar and too scared of being recognised to risk a dating app, his first gay flirtation began with a man he met on Instagram. When his mum found out the man was 34 she freaked out, panicking that her 17-year-old son was being groomed, and so his first gay encounter ended in a police investigation. Nothing untoward was found, but Daniels was furious. He tried to meet another older man in a hotel, but his mum was suspicious and phoned him. Daniels pretended to be at a friend’s house but she wanted proof via FaceTime, so he stalled for time by claiming to be on the loo while he raced to another mate’s house around the corner. He thought he’d got away with it, until his mum recognised the wrong friend’s living room. What his mother found so difficult at first, however, was the very thing that made Daniels feel able to come out to his club. “I find older guys attractive. For me, 30 is too young. Over 40 is better.” Telling his team-mates would have been harder, he says, if they thought he might fancy them.

R391 they're doing a TED talk on fucking someone your dad's age

I thought he would grow up to be a hot Top like Mount and now he's just a big bottom with daddy issues. What a life

r403 I'm also very disappointed in him. Being attracted to andropausic guys as a teen is nothing normal. His father must've done something to him that he just isn't willing to talk about

It would be nice if we learned to accept human variation without inventing sordid back stories to explain our differences. Stop trying to see misery where there might be none.

R403 lmaooo not Mini-milk Mason Mount

he's the size of a cake topper and about as butch

r406 He's 1.81, you idiot

R407 Definitely below 1.80. Mount seems shorter than Grealish who is listed as 1,75 in some profiles.

r408 And 1.78 is short, you idiot? That's literally the average male height in the West. What kind of units and proportions do you even have in that stupid country of yours?

R409 It is short for a white male professional footballer from the UK but not e.g. for an Asian US-American normie, Einstein…

R408 according to my pretty reliable sources, Jack (stood one from right in the pic at the link) stands at 5ft 9". Mason (stood furthest left) is clearly an inch or two shorter and considerably slighter built than Jack.

Mason is one of the smaller players of the England national senior squad--not small or short for an everyday man, no, but on the smaller side for a strong athlete playing a contact sport. The shortest of the current England team would be 'Little' Phil Foden (stood centre) who can only be 5ft. 5" or 6" at the utmost; in videos, I've seen women and preteen children tower over him.

For general reference and comparison, Jordan Henderson (one from left) is said to stand at 6ft. exactly, and Marcus Rashford (furthest right) at 5"11. Both Jack and Mason are evidently shorter than both.

r410 What the hell are you talking about? It is LITERALLY the average height of the Brit male! Are you dense? Do you think every guy out there is 7 feet tall? Retard! Your stupid metric system has fucked up your perceptions: you think anything starting with a 5 is short. Do you even know how tall the average woman is, retard?

r410 Messi is the greatest football player of all time and he's not even 5'7'!!! What does height even have to do with football? Are you getting it mixed up with basketball?? Geez, I gotta leave this forum for good, too many retards! You can definitely tell Mrkans are the most stupid people on Earth

Are there average heights posted for (1) a white male professional footballer from the UK; and (2) an Asian US-American normie?

r414 He's a retard. Anyway, BACK IN TOPIC!

Obviously he was gonna be a bottom: he came out so soon because he was in the market for a daddy #tripleew

R413 dear choleric Einstein, yeah, height totally doesn’t matter if you want to become a professional athlete in football….Yeah, that’s why the doctors did everything possible to make young Messi grow….;-)

r417 Because he was 1.40, idiot

r417 Messi had a pituitary gland disorder, retard. He wasn't just short because his parents were. Will you just stop posting and stop embarassing yourself, you stupid Mrkan heightist? You're burning my corneas

R.e. Jake bottoming, it's probably better for his career longevity--less chance of groin injury or tears.

Football manager Antonio Conte, on how his players should structure their sex life around training for competition:

[quote] I explain to the players how they should have sex--intercourse should not last long and they should be on the bottom.

And, if you think height matters in football, you're the average retarded Mrkan who has never traveled outside of his country

R418 What does height even have to do with football?

That's it. I'm outta this fucking forum. You are too retarded

R423 LOL

Here you go, American football player, big and tall!

r425 This is AMERICAN football, you retard, not European football. Retard

r417 I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to side with Nate on this one. Are you a retard? His brain wasn't producing HGH, so he had to undergo a treatment. How does that even compare to players (or men in general) who are below average for genetic reasons?

Americans have an unhealthy obsession with height: they think anything below 6 foot is short, regardless of whether it's 5'3' or 5'11'. This doesn't happen anywhere else on the planet. No wonder everyone stereotype you as the most ignorant people on Earth. And what does American football even have to do with soccer? It's like saying "basketballers are all 6'7'+, so any soccer player who doesn't reach that height is short". The level of retardness boggles the mind

He is cute.

r427 It's true, this only happens in the US. Here in Europe we laugh at your height obsession and girls putting on their Tinder profiles "he's gotta be at least 6 foot" when they're barely 5 feet flat themselves. It's a purely American thing. And comparing different heights of different players of DIFFERENT SPORTS really speaks volumes on how close-minded and ignorant the average American is.

Regardless of where you were born in the world, be thankful it wasn't the US!

r409 Stupid cunt, how does height even matter in soccer? Don't you see how tall the best players are (even Grealish himself)? Unless you're a goalie (6'3'+), you could be short and still succeed: what matters is speed and skills. Maradona was all of 5'5' and he was a soccer legend! LEGEND!

Geez, Americans discussing topics they know NOTHING about!

You're all engulfed in flames because I remarked--offhand and apropos of nothing--that Mason Mount is a pocket twunk (he is) and not ideal material physically for a top as R403 seems to imagine. Perhaps appearances are deceiving however, and Money Mase can really do the business though (with girls or lads) despite his stature and build. Idk, it's not my business, I don't know him or what he gets up to, and he isn't forthcoming about it so I suppose we may never know. Tumblr girls are free to imagine getting dicked down by him if they wish, not my bag but to each their own.

This thread is about the life and travails of confirmed out bottom(?) Jake Daniels though so...we could just get back to that...

(also fwiw Nate I'm a Brit and I daresay know my football. True to say height isn't a huge issue or advantage in the sport unless you're a GK or a defender, and in fact there's a case to say that wingers & forwards are more effective players if they're shorter than 6ft., Peter Crouch being the notorious exception)

r431 Sure, you're a Brit. You were caught in a lie, ya stupid Mrkan! Now, go back to stretching until you reach your precious 182.9 cms

r432 And it has to be 182.9, because at 182.8 he's smol... no difference at all with 1.65

R405 at least in Tom's case, it screams Daddy issues. His beloved father dies of cancer and a year later he shacks up with Lance

R427 Do you live in Europe? At below 1.80m you would be a fairly short man compared to the general younger male population. In the Netherlands or among Serbs, Croatians etc. you would be a distinctly short man.

And I just making fun of Nate, btw, who kept making rude comments while asking ‘what does height have to do with anything”? Mason Mount definitely is in the normal range for a footballer, he doesn’t really have a problem. A bit more height could give him more physical assertiveness and aerial duels are indeed his weakness according to Sofascore. But he’s fine overall although fans do like to belittle him for his physique a bit.

r435 Not everyone lives in the Balkans or Netherlands, you retard. In Spain, Portugal and Malta, for instance, you'd be perfectly fine

r435 He's 1.78. How is that even short? You're retarded. And go cure your stupid height obsession, stupid Mrkan!

They make fun of his build? Really? What should they do with Messi or Neymar, who are even shorter? I find it so hard to believe! There are some Serie A players who are 5'5' or under! The stuff I have to read

Anyone who considers 5'10' short (when it's way taller than the average woman, even in the Netherlands) is a retard and shouldn't be interacted with. Don't feed the troll, guys!

R438 “they need to build more bulk because they are being pushed around by the big defenders on the pitch...he's pretty small as well. not tall.” R 145

^Mase is so tiny, he can just run under defender legs. He’s like a Smurf.” R146

Nobody ever mentions Grealish's height, yet you're height-shaming this guy even though he's taller? Mah!

R436 Obviously, Mason Mount is being compared to his team mates and opponents as in R411 for example. But even among the general younger male population, he definitely would not be considered tall….

Never heard of this guy before, but he strikes me as perfectly average in every way, height included. He doesn't get dwarfed in any pic, and how could he? Brits are not exactly famous for being giants

R443 With teammates

Football is not a sport famous for the height of its players except goalies. Don't know what you're even on calling a 1.78 guy short, when (as mentioned upthread) Messi, Neymar, etc are even shorter. Maybe even Grealish, and nobody ever mocks him 🤷🏼

R443 with coach

R445 Sure.

Can we please get back to the topic at hand? Who even cares about this other dude! And by the waaaaaay, Jake is Brit and hardly a giant himself #justsaying. Brits are not tall, they're average

R447 Ok, so ONE Norwegian player makes a world of difference. Retard

I remember being so horny when I was 20 that a big cock was a big cock whether attached to another 20 year old guy or a 40 year old guy. Once I hit on a guy in his late 50s because he had such a huge cock, I literally lost my mind! And it's true that guys in their 30s and 40s are more inspired in the sack than other 20 year old who are quite content with just mutual masturbation. So I get the thrill, I get the attraction to someone in their 40s, not as something I still experience today (at 50) but as something I experienced in my early 20s. I also have two friends who looked at father figures and not only when they were 20 but still at 50 are only attracted to guys above their age. It's harder for me to relate to that, but hey, who am I to judge?

OKOK, I'm apology for mentioning Mount , let's get back to Jake.

Can someone explain to me how his career is now , Did he has a chance to move on to the next level ?

I know no shit about uk and soccer , thanks!

R451 frankly, Blackpool F.C. (the club for which Jake currently plays in the U18 squad) aren’t looking too clever at the moment.

At the end of this season and at the time of writing, they have finished 23rd in the standings (EFL/Championship, aka League 0ne) out of 24. Which puts them in the dreaded relegation zone, meaning they alongside the two other lowest performing teams (this year, Wigan Athletic & Reading) have earned a demotion to a lower ranked league, where they shall sadly receive fewer cup competition opportunities, less press coverage, and therefore reduced access/money to sign decent players.

It’s no wonder, given that Blackpool let go of their senior head coach & assistant coach back in January, off the back of ten defeats in a row. Worth noting that five months ago, Blackpool were in the same dismal standings position that they’ve finished in now, so this drastic personnel change did nothing to help them survive their fight to stay in a top league. Blackpool closed out their season on a measly 44 points total, with the same humble number of wins as draws (11) and more than double the losses (24), and a goal difference of -24. While their final salvo these last couple of months has been heroic, ultimately and brutally they’ve simply not done enough to stay in League One.

Am unsure whether Jake is a wantaway (player who wants to leave his underperforming club, but can’t), but if he plans to progress in English football while he’s still young and strike while the iron is hot, he ought expeditiously to get to the negotiation table with clubs higher up the EFL table and perhaps even low-performing EPL (Premier League) clubs if they’ll hear him out. Hopefully he’s got a pushy and conscientious agent as well as supportI’ve parents. A footballer’s career progression, rightly or wrongly, rests more in the hand of Fate and in the hands of clubs willing to give him a chance, more than talent or hard work that keeps you at a certain level.

[R452] Thanks!! I get it now

R453 you’re most welcome my love🐣

One little note I’d forgotten to mention—relegation isn’t always all bad, nor is it necessarily a death sentence. If a club lacks the talent, organisation, personnel/resources & drive to achieve in a higher league, and cannot attract or manufacture anything better, then demotion to a smaller lower league to compete with ‘minnows’ (smaller, less threatening clubs) can sometimes drastically improve the chances of winning silverware or finishing in a high league position, which thereby raises the profile of the club and makes it more attractive within a bracket of more modest talent.

E.g. without either sudden massive investment out of nowhere by a generous benefactor or a run of form that defies the laws of nature, Blackpool will not ever compete in the Premier League. So they’re best off finding their level so to speak, and challenging a pool teams against whom they have an outside chance of winning or drawing.

As a football club, you want to be competitive and you want a tough challenge so that your success has meaning and is earned, but you also want victories to be an actual possibility where you play.

What’s more, recently relegated teams sometimes get financial aid (called ‘parachute’ or ‘solidarity’ payments) from the F.A. governing body enforcing rules called Financial Fair Play, so there’s even a little incentive there to go down gracefully. Nb. these payment plans are controversial, and not everyone in the game agrees with them as standard protocol.

[quote] Clubs relegated from the EFL Championship receive 11.1% of the Basic Award payment to Championship clubs for one season. Clubs relegated from EFL League One receive 12.6% of the Basic Award payment to League One clubs for one season.

Let's be honest, a team that was failing as miserably as Blackpool did this season would have utilised a talented young striker to come on when a goal was needed, but Jake didn't get any playing time in the Championship across.

To be blunt, he isn't a highly rated player, even for a Championship side. That's not an insult, he'll still have a long career ahead of him and score goals and make a decent income, but he's never going to be playing for England.

Not everyone can be a Rooney/Ronaldo/Fabregas/Rashford at the age of 18, Gareth Bale didn't really get going until he was 21/22, in his 4th year at Spurs.

And the hype of being a teenage sensation didn't help Francis Jeffers, Jérémie Aliadière or Jermaine Pennant. David Bentley and Jack Wilshere had relatively short careers.

He could be a Jamie Vardy/Tyrone Mings, someone who realises their potential in their mid 20.

R455 yes, that’s a realistic and fair assessment.

It’s said there’s something like a 0.4% chance of a local Brit lad who plays for his school or community team ever making it to the top two leagues in the English game, so for Jake to have come this far at all and to have made it as a full-time pro at any age is an achievement, not least as a gay man in a sport built for and run by straights.

Whether or not he breaks into senior football or scrapes his way back into EFL is another matter, and as R455 rightly points out the game is cruel and full of fierce competition, but also full of opportunity and surprises. There are cases of supposed flops suddenly getting transfers or callups that change their lives, though it’s rare and one can’t rely on that happening. Best to give it your all and be ready once you’re in the door, considering the shelf-life of a footballer is short.

This is a cynical thought, but I wonder if Jake could spin his good PR and raised profile to his advantage, and pull a great escape. It may bring EFL teams who need a bit of goodwill in the press into talks with him. After all, once you’re in the team then you have greater chance to shine or win game time, even if they only put you in for tokenistic reasons at first. Blackpool have been highly supportive of Jake and deserve plaudits for that, but I’m afraid Jake can’t show them too much loyalty, and needs to be a bit ruthless, cold and clever here if he truly wants success at topflight level.

^^more context about how difficult it is to succeed and stay at the top in EPL football:

After two hours on Google with the premise you guys give, now I understand how the whole football league work and all those questions that I have about players. Thanks for all you guys!!!

R473/R458 Gen Z are you a new/American fan, then? How did you come into following the sport, if you don't mind my asking? And have you found a team to support yet? (am happy to suggest a club or a league for you, if you tell us what you like in a sports team)

Difference without distinction Englishmen and homosexuals.

[R459] Nah I'm from Hong Kong (Asia) there really isn't much sports culture here, the sudden attention to football is because I recently started watching Ted Lasso. My dad was always a fan of soccer so I started joining him (btw My dad is literally rewatching how Manchester won RIGHT NOW )

”what you like in a sports team“ I really don't know about that, I basically know no teams, but some of the hot ones of course do. I focus more on the players, not their ability, It's more because they're hot. Of course that applies to Jack! That's why I said that at the beginning. So if you have any suggestions or want to make me a fan of some team, I would love to take all of that! thanks

Well this thread took a weird and boring turn.

R461 How would a young Asian guy be here?

Blame R437 for the weirdness, they keep promising to make their last post and flounce off to their podiatrists but no, like Herpes Simplex they keep on coming back. I look forward to the next dose of their inane trailer park ramblings.

Jake's height is totally unremarkable for the position he plays in.

Central defence and goalkeeper are positions where height is a prerequisite, but then Fabio Cannavaro won a world cup and is only 5'9. And Victor Valdes is "only" 6ft but won 6 La Liga titles and 3 Champions League titles and was an unused player when Spain won the world cup in 2010.

r462 Once we assessed he's a gerontophile and has disappointed half the forum in the process, there wasn't much to add

r465 Puhleaaaaaase, Spain won 2 Euro cups and a World Cup in between with a goalie who's not even 6 ft

R461/Gen Z you sound so sweet, your way of writing posts makes me just want to squish your face like an auntie lol

[quote] I'm from Hong Kong (Asia) there really isn't much sports culture here, the sudden attention to football is because I recently started watching Ted Lasso. My dad was always a fan of soccer so I started joining him (btw My dad is literally rewatching how Manchester won RIGHT NOW)

Your father is no doubt enjoying himself, then! And probably even moreso because you're watching with him and spending quality time. It's a game that's bonded fathers & sons (and even fathers & daughters, as I can testify) across a century. The City retention this year has elevated the already-high EPL standard, it's something to behold. We're all fascinated by the working's of Guardiola's mind. And conversely Arsenal's defiant challenge has been dramatic and full of heartbreak. This is football at its finest quality, albeit not its most noble.

As for 'Ted Lasso'...ah, would that I had similar praise. It hasn't done numbers in the U.K. I do envy people who can enjoy it. In the name of positivity, let's just say it certainly has its audience, the actors & writers are perfectly good, and as mainstream feelgood cross-cultural shows go its heart is in the right place, and leave it at that.

Is there really no sports culture whatever in Hong Kong? How strange. One would have thought that at least one of the British sports would have taken hold there, as cricket has in India or rugby has in New Zealand. What do people do for active leisure, there?

[quote] "What you like in a sports team“ I really don't know about that, I basically know no teams, but some of the hot ones of course do. I focus more on the players, not their ability, It's more because they're hot. Of course that applies to Jack! That's why I said that at the beginning. So if you have any suggestions or want to make me a fan of some team, I would love to take all of that! thanks

Most welcome, and thrilled to have you along :D Considering you come from abroad, and by the sounds your father or grandfather did not staunchly support any one team in particular, then you've the rare blessing of free choice for yourself when it comes to a personal club of your heart (for many in Britain, club affiliation is inherited and passed down, in families or communities).

For every stat-obsessed weirdo and club stalwart, there's people of taste like us who latch onto the cute sexy players and follow their career ;) It's the superior way to watch imo (or at least, it's less stressful!). That being said, to ally yourself to a club and share in their ups and downs with the rest of the fans is a surprisingly profound experience, so I recommend to do that as well.

And also to take more than one team to your bosom, which is something else you have an opportunity to do as a new foreign fan. A lot of Brits follow their hometown or family club, but also have a kind of secret 'second favourite' they support from a slight remove or without telling their friends & family, either in the English leagues or commonly in a different European, African or even increasingly an Asian one such as the J-League (there aren't many MLS/American mens' soccer fans about, I have to admit). E.g. I follow Liverpool, cheer them on, engage with their content and really admire/lust some of their current players, though I'm not a staunch proper LFC supporter who goes to games or does the most about them. All this to say, you have so many glorious options!

'Hot' and interesting players who aren't necessarily the best, though...that is a wide and vague criteria tbf, and difficult to narrow down. I'll only quickly scan the English Premier League and EFL to look for recommendations, as I don't know much about foreign teams & big leagues like Bundesliga or Serie A (anyone else posting here that does, please chime in), and the league that my hometown team play in currently is not a full-time pro tier and also isn't televised often so I doubt you'll care to follow that (though if you do...Hereford F.C. are the best team in Britain and deserve promotion right now :D :D)

So... Prem & EFL squads with the most character and appeal according to me, in the year 2023?

First instinct in my gut says to suggest you to follow Nottingham Forest, probably because they're a cute-looking squad who are rebuilding with a lot of youngsters blooded in, and exceeding all expectations despite their current inexperience and humble ability on paper. They were promoted up to the Premier League last season, and they've done well. Something tells me they've got an interesting future to come and potential off the charts. Plus they have the advantage of a few of my beloved Wales national team players in their squad. Likewise, the Hollywood team of Wrexham, whose story of rags to riches I suspect you may have heard about if you've recently started engaging with football content.

Another club I think you'll vibe with for some reason is the recent arrival to the Prem, Brentford. The Bees as they're known are another wideeyed but determined and upcoming team of adorable and hot lads, not yet jaded by either success or failure, though in just a couple of years they've absolutely gone beyond anyone's predicted milestones in short order. They have a very accepting fanbase that's replete with supporters new to the game. The team finished 9th in this year's final standings, which is very respectable and means they have cup competition opportunities.

In terms of gay fanbase, Brighton & Hove Albion is the typically popular English choice, and the club themselves are aware of this and do an excellent job of accomodating gay fans--one of their recent stadium modifications saw the installation of surveillance to pinpoint the exact seat from which homophobic abuse may be emanating. They're also on the rise, finishing 6th in this year's season against the expectations of almost everyone, so it's a good time to bandwagon them.

Given that you're Gen Z, I want to recommend a team with a young average age with whom you can grow and who you can keep enjoying for a long time to come, because nothing hurts more than latching on to a team that's ageing out or on their last legs so you have to say goodbye to them after only a few years of supporting. This season's EPL teams with the youngest starting XIs (under age 25) have been Southhampton, Arsenal & Leeds; however, next season both Southhampton & Leeds will be playing in EFL (the league below Prem) after a sad relegation. EFL is actually an exciting, pacey and competitive league, often with faster and more physical and more evenly-matched games than EPL where teams sometimes play it too safe and tactically, so if you're attracted to that style of play consider watching EFL instead of Prem for a bit and see what you think.

It goes without saying that Arsenal are an attractive team to start supporting off the back of this last season, and I wouldn't blame or question anyone for doing so. They've got star players, star quality, and a squad of energetic dynamic twunks who want to win. There's probably a massive and long-awaited major trophy in their near future. They're the heroes and the underdogs pitted against the Titan that is Manchester City, and everyone wants the hero underdog to win. That being said, historically Arsenal are what is known as a 'big club' (big on trophies and global success, or big on Ego & mouth, you decide ;)), and most of their fans are lifelong generational stalwarts who get quite scary about their loyalty.

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Finally, I want to recommend you take a quick look at Aston Villa. Their current squad have spent the last few years clawing their way into the Prem top 10 and have succeeded wonderfully. Their squad aren't too young or too old, and have some beauties in their stable. What's more, they're from the West Midlands, which in my unbiased opinion is the best place in England ;) But I jest, really it's nice to see a Western British team do so well in the Prem, as usually all the top spots are dominated by Northern or Southern/London sides.

This is just a brief skimming overview, as I don't want to bore anyone with long stories and rundowns. Hopefully it helps, and I wish you lots of entertainment and delight on your way through the Beautiful Game (though beware, if you get in deep, some parts are going to hurt, as well...all part of the authentic emotional experience, of course)

[R470] Thank you so much!! I'll start getting into it

For everyone else, here are 9 pics his partner posted before and use as an apology for screwing up here.

He lewks as cute as ever, but the whole thing just feels wrong. He barely came out, he barely came of age and he already has his daddy. At this rate, next year he's gonna get married. What an idiot!

He does have daddy issues, there's no dancing around THAT

Ewwwww they already share a house together, too? 🤮🤮🤮 Are they already taking Crimmus pics in matching onesies, too? Ewwww 🤮🤮🤮 This little gerontophiliac perv sure wastes no time 😒

Nothing says daddy like taking a photo of someone 28 years younger, in his pants, building Lego on he carpet floor.

This is going to end so badly for the poor daddy

Well I say good for him, he seems really happy in those pics. At least he hasn’t got caught up in the usual whoring, cruising, Grindr shit that is what usually what happens. Even if the relationship only lasts for a couple of years it will be good life experience for him.

R478 well said and fair, thank you. Nice to have a bit of relaxed and realistic perspective on the subject.

That said, Britain isn’t quite so puritanical about age-gap or gay relationships (remember we gave you George Michael, Queer As Folk, etc.). A lot of Frautrage in this thread comes from Americans. So had Jake wanted to slut it up on Carnaby St. or Queen Street (yes, that’s really the gay district of Blackpool) or the Stanley St. Quarter, no-one at home would have said him nay, I don’t think.

R478 girl give over with your “at least he’s not on Grindr” bullshit it says a lot more about you than anyone else 😂

R480 I am not on Grindr, I am too old for that. I am in my early 60’s, and like many men of my age and many of us on here, I spent so much time when younger cruising around in my relentless search for cock. Yes of course I had some great times and a lot of great sex, but I can’t deny that I have regrets. If I had put more effort into trying to actually get along with somebody with a view to having a relationship then maybe I wouldn’t be alone now.

I am fortunate in that I have a good life, good friends and I’m in good health, but a relationship is never going to happen for me. At least this guy is getting the experience of what it’s like to be in a loving relationship and to share his life with somebody, even if it doesn’t last for long.

Hi R478 I am a Brit guy also, and I agree with you.

r481 Consider yourself lucky: at least you can do whatever you want without explaining yourself to anyone. Also, couldn't Jake have this relationship with a 20-something? Even that one would've been older than him, but not by 30 years! He's ot right in the head

R482 I can only reply to that with what I have learned from meeting and knowing god knows how many people in my 60 odd years. Some people just seem to have a type right out of the gate. I’ve known women when I was much younger who were only attracted to men 40+. Likewise I’ve known even more men who were only attracted to much older guys. Some of these people I knew or still know, very well, and I honestly don’t think that they had daddy issue.

We can’t help what turns us on and gets us hard.