Men Siring Children in the 50s and 60s

Alec is impotent in every way. Every single way. This pregnancy is from an old frozen embryo. But he thinks all these props...I mean children....make him look virile.

Because they marry women who are much younger than them. Often 20 to 30 years younger. And these young women want children. So the old man goes along with it. (Why not? All he has to do is ejaculate and make money while the woman has to carry the baby and take care of it for 18 years.)

She's probably going to divorce him shortly and wants to ensure she has large weekly/monthy alimony/child support checks.

I guess they don't care that they might not live to see the second (or in some cases) third family grow up. Or that their old sperm is far more likely to make autistic babies.

He’s smiling but his eyes tell a totally different story.

Crazy wives is the answer.

He looks like a man in a nightmare desperately hoping he'll wake up and be back in his quiet luxe apartment with its pictures of his one kid who is a teenager and lives with her mom.

the really odd thing with them is having one via surrogacy while having one naturally

it is like they can't wait to accumulate them

why can't they just love the kids they have?

The one man I know in real life who fathered a child in his mid-sixties and married a woman in her mid-forties... and hoo boy were they surprised!

The kid turned out great, BTW, brilliant college student now, very nice kid, and seems perfectly sane.

Wasn't the surrogate baby born first? I bet Hillary was doing IVF that wasn't taking and went with a surrogate, and then she caught pregnant on her own. Which is so ridiculous, as she already had FOUR kids.

I can see it a little more with men who just left it late and have their first kids in their late 40s or early 50s. But men having entirely second families never made sense to me. Nor does it make sense if you make it to 55 + and suddenly decide you want to procreate. That time is past, gramps.

Tony Randall had his first child at 77 and then another at 78, both by his wife who was FIFTY years younger than him. He was dead six years later. Possibly one of the most selfish late-stage fathers I've heard of.

Mick Jagger had a baby at 73, but his father lived into his 90s and Mick is a health nut, so he has a reasonable chance of seeing the kid grow up. Also, there are a lot of older half-siblings to give the boy some sense of family when Daddy is gone.

Which one will end up in rehab, which one will follow in Dad's footsteps, which one will author a cookbook.

I don't care how many wives and kids this HOMO has. Alec Baldwin is still as QUEER as a thirteen dollar bill.

That's one gay rumor I just don't believe. Has he been sucked off by a twink or two? Maybe. Did he suck off a few celebrities when he was a bus boy at Studio 54? Well, cocaine IS a helluva drug. But Alec Baldwin embodies entitled hetero white male rage more than almost any other celebrity, except maybe Donald Trump.

Is Alec diabetic? If men take Metformin, a common type 2 diabetes drug, during a critical period of sperm development, their offspring may be more likely to develop birth defects, a large study suggests.

In particular, the study found that male babies born to fathers who took Metformin during this critical period had a higher risk of genital birth defects than babies whose fathers took metformin outside of that key time window or had never taken the drug. The new research was published Monday (March 28) in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.

I vote the oldest girl Carmen will be the mini-Elodia and go the frau/cookbook author/golddigger route. Her mother is already making her the defacto caretaker for the younger kids, so raising babies and mugging on social media will be all she knows.

Michael Sheen has a toddler by his twentysomething girlfriend and they're expecting another baby right now. The girlfriend is young enough to have gone to high school with his grown-up daughter Lily, who I'm sure is just THRILLED by the sudden appearance of two half-siblings courtesy of Daddy's midlife crisis.

[quote] I vote the oldest girl Carmen will be the mini-Elodia

The what?

And now we see how Bruce Willis felt the need (or was persuaded) to stockpile low-quality work as his cognitive abilities declined so as to presumably support his young children. The same kids who will now grow up with little to no memories of anything other than a frail father in failing health. I admire him but it also leaves a sick feeling. There are pregnancy surprises and then there is the abdication of emotional responsibility just because children can be afforded.

R5, the entire family does not look happy

Tony Randall was in his mid-seventies when he created two kids in the 1990s.

Bruce and his second wife have 2 kids. That's reasonable. Especially since his first batch...yeah.

"But Alec Baldwin embodies entitled hetero white male rage more than almost any other celebrity, except maybe Donald Trump."

Yes, but remember, white male privilege includes the supposed right to fuck anything they like, with no expectation of criticism or consequences. So yes, someone like Baldwin could take a walk on the wild side now and then, with absolutely no change to his egomaniacal self-image or inflated social expectations.

old men having babies causes autism which is why autism is exploding. Men shouldn't have kids after 35 and that might still be too old.

The father I know in real life who's in his 60s with two young (under 5) kids checks the boxes someone mentioned: married a woman 20+ years younger and wanted to keep her happy.

He also had three kids in his 20s with his first wife. Having a second batch allows him to start over and raise kids without making the same mistakes. I sense he was something of an absent father the first time around. Conversely, he seems very involved in the day-to-day lives of the kids he's raising now.

r27 is spot on, though, and one of his kids has autism.

I suppose, too, that men who take much younger wives have healthy egos, and that ego also contributes to their need to continually procreate.

No where in that article does she say she's pregnant. Only that they are expecting another child in the fall. It's probably a surrogate again. They will keep having more babies until they use up all 1000 of her frozen eggs and his frozen sperm.

Andy Cohen has hinted on his radio show that Baby #2 is in development. I think it’s so selfish for a single parent in his mid-50s to have a second vanity child. His parents are in their 80s., Andy is healthy and youthful but honest to God- is a sibling for Ben really necessary? Is a second People cover that important? I know Andy will leave them financially set for life but he’s robbing them of decades with a parent.

Terrible, r30. Ben is going to need every dime of his inheritance for lifelong therapy!

Will they name it Rust?

Anderson Cooper is in his 50's and also recently had a second son.

Is that bitch still using the fake accent?

Those kids look miserable

This has been going on for centuries. I'm into genealogy and have found records of many old dads. My great-grandmorher was born in 1888. Her father was born in 1827. He was 61 at the time of her birth and his wife was nearly 40. They had another child in 1894. He was 67 and she was 45. That daughter died after a week.

R36 My great-grandfather was born in 1899. My grandmother is 75 and my mother is almost 54.

I don't understand why Mrs. B wants to have so many. Seven? She can't be satisfied with three?

The arrival of baby via surrogate and H naturally conceiving at same time, or so they purported, makes me think they outsource all of the pregnancies. There are no surprises. Which is unhinged especially as their finances moving forward are not stable considering fallout from legal repercussions of the killing and expense of large family.

[quote] Tony Randall had his first child at 77 and then another at 78, both by his wife who was FIFTY years younger than him

Tony Randall isn't gay?

He reminded me of a celebrity lesbian couple who adopted like 7 or 8 children but still ended up divorce. They then had to take care a bunch of children whom they never want at the first place.

I think that parents who decide to do this are nothing but selfish. They're pretty much promising that their children will be without at least one of their parents when all the young adulthood milestones begin to occur--high school & college graduations, first job, marriage, first child. Older parents are just depriving their children the availability of a parent when the comfort & input of a parent are sometimes needed most. But I guess for some people it really is all about them.

R41 It was Rosie O'Donnell. I think she admitted that adopted kids because she thought it would solve her marital problem.

It's called a breeding fetish. It's natural for straight people to have an increased desire to be "plentiful" But after 4 kids it goes too far and looks like a fetish. Maybe Alec has a pregger fetish.

R44 most of the kids are born in virto. Hilaria forced Alec to have children.

Because they want those hot younger 2nd wives and the hot younger 2nd wives won't sign on to marry some old man unless they are able to have babies. Beth Stern is the only one I can think of who didn't want kids and that's because she's an animal rescuer.

Even if the old guy leaves the younger 2nd wife a ton of money - if she doesn't have a kid and he dies when she's in her 40s or 50s - then what? She has to start over AND doesn't have any kids to keep her company.

Most hot young women eventually want babies - especially the types who will sign on to marry rich old men. It's not like these guys are marrying 26 year old medical students or scientists who are devoted to their careers. They are marrying yoga teachers and models and actresses - those types eventually breed.

I was surprised even Katharine McPhee got a kid out of David Foster. I assumed he had told her no more kids given how old he is and how many kids he has, but even she had a baby recently.

Makes me respect the hell out of Liam Neeson.

I was conceived when my dad 63. Luckily, I turned out normal. He did live to attend my high graduation, but not too much longer.

It’s easy for these wealthy, out of touch older celebrities to have kids. They are not raising them. Especially gay guys like Cohen and Cooper, where there is not a wife or mother-figure.

This Baldwin situation is just ridiculous though. Sounds like they need some counseling.

Think of poor Ireland who’s watching her once huge inheritance sliced & diced like a Benihana stir fry

R30, to be fair, Andy's kid Ben probably would benefit from a sibling. He has just ONE parent who will probably knock off when he's in his 20s. Then he won't have any family. It's pretty fucked up (SELFISH) to intentionally bring someone into the world who will only have a single parent to rely on.

Elton John had a kid in his 60s (one of those boys obviously came from Elton's seed, while the other came from Furnish's seed). But at least when he dies, he has a much younger spouse (Furnish) who can see the kids to adulthood when he's gone.

[quote] those types eventually breed.

That was funny.

Narcissists need to produce new batches of children who will idolize them once the first batch grows up and realizes what a toxic dick-head they are.

They never truly bond with any other their children. The children are objects to them.

R50 reminds me of a woman I know IRL. She is single (and crazy/neurotic) and had her kid via sperm donor. Her parents are dead; at least one of them from cancer, but I think both. SHE is a breast cancer survivor, and she was early 40s when she had her child. This woman was an only child, and she only had the one child.

This kid is all alone in the world except for its mother, who has crazy cancer risk. Maybe they’ll be okay.

R53, wow, imagine having no siblings, no cousins, no aunts and uncles. Just one parent. You're pretty much forced into codependent relationship with that parent. Then that parent dies.

If you're the type who has trouble making friends (you're introverted, shy, have social anxiety or ASD), then you're fucked. If your mother used a sperm donor, then you could use one of those DNA sites to track down maybe dozens of half siblings.

If you can afford them and it keeps your wife happy and you have a mega insurance policyL@, then by all means keep knocking her up until you're shooting dust.

Alec probably froze sperm when they got married ten years ago and he was in his early 50s. There is an entire sub reddit about how the Baldwinitos have all been carried by surrogates except for the first one. They claim to have receipts from neighbors and photos. Supposedly the "bounce back into shape five minutes after giving birth" was going to be her 'brand" or grift but didn't pan out as she is too unlikeable even before her Spanish cosplay was exposed.

IMO it's incredibly selfish. Why would a man want to sire children when he'll either be dead or old and senile by the time they get out of grammar school? Kids should not have to witness their parents dying of old age. That's too much to lay on them. They're not even old enough to understand the aging process. Their brains are not fully cooked yet.

R49 Ireland is going to end up on that show “Naked & Afraid” scavenging and eating Jungle fire ants

Men having babies late in life are the reason we have so many people with autism. Men's chances of having an autistic child go up more and more as they age. With the added chemicals and plastics and old men having babies, we are degrading our species We are messing up our genes.

[quote]Mick Jagger had a baby at 73, but his father lived into his 90s and Mick is a health nut, so he has a reasonable chance of seeing the kid grow up. Also, there are a lot of older half-siblings to give the boy some sense of family when Daddy is gone.

You mean when Great Grand Daddy is gone.

Imagine being the kid at the park whose dad is wearing a sweater in July because he's withering away...

"Men having babies late in life are the reason we have so many people with autism."

Men have always sired late-in-life children, if a wife died in childbirth or of natural causes that are curable or preventable today, he'd marry again to have someone to cook his meals and raise the children from the first marriage. Or to have someone to care for him in his old age.

In some societies it's considered normal for men to marry late, in ancient Rome men wouldn't marry until they finished their military service in their late thirties, and in places like Ireland, men didn't marry until their father died and left them the family property. Which has been cited as part of the reason for high rates of mental illness in Ireland...

Growing up in Manhattan I had a few friends with much older dads.

Generally not a good situation--fathers could not play sports with them, were more irritable, always assumed to be grandfathers etc--sort of what you;'d expect. I knew a girl who was more introspective/intellectual and it was a great relationship, she was very close with her father and her mom and stepsiblings too, so not all were terrible

Second marriage kids -- where the father had them mid-40s or so--were different. There the father often wanted to make up for ignoring the kids from his first marriage and was super involved. Kids from first marriage hated him, not fond of half-siblings, so there was that.

This is Manhattan private school world so unique in many ways

My Dad was 37 when I was born and I'm beginning to think I dodged a bullet, autism-wise.

LOL -- talking much older than 37 R63

Did’t we do a thread about how old are parents were when we were born and the majority had older parents might be the reason of being gay?

I wonder what average paternal ages are like, in parts of the world where polygamy is common? Like in Saudi Arabia, which has both legal polygamy and a high divorce rate, which means a man can keep marrying younger wives as long as he can afford to.

It takes many years for a man to achieve a high status. If he wants a high status woman at that point, it's inevitable he'll be quite old.

Geez. I agree with the horror of fathers in their fifties and sixties but dads of 35 or 37? Do you want all children yo be sired by impoverished, hormonal kids ?

Richard Gere, 72, has a 20-year-old son from a previous marriage and now has two toddlers by his third wife, who was born in 1983.

When Gere was in the first flush of his fame in the early 80s, his current wife wasn't even born yet.

President John Tyler, who was born in 1790, has a living grandson.

There is no fool like an old fool.

I'd only lay even odds that Anderson Cooper will live to see his kids grow up, given the heart problems in his family.

I'm the youngest child of a youngest child, both born to older fathers, and my great-grandparents were born in the mid-19th Century. Not as impressive as Tyler's grandson, but it's strange to think about.

My great grandfather was a veteran of the Civil War. He was 52 when my grandmother was born. She was 41 when she had my father who was 45 at the time of my birth.

About 30% of older men have autistic kids but it usually doesn't happen until you are in your late 40s and up. Women over 50 have more down syndrome babies than younger women.

12% risk, R75.

Old people should stop having kids that end up down syndrome and the parents don't survive to see the kids 20th birthday or younger.

R66 a lot of those men's kids look retarded. I don't know if it's due to paternal age or inbreeding amongst the wealthy classes of the middle east but it isn't pretty, that's for sure.

[quote] Mick Jagger had a baby at 73, but his father lived into his 90s and Mick is a health nut, so he has a reasonable chance of seeing the kid grow up.

You assume he is involved as a dad in a meaningful way. (Hint: he's not)

I don't understand why anyone, male or female, would want to have children if they're past forty. It's selfish; the child's best interests are secondary. But I guess if you're rich you can have as many as you want without giving it a second thought.

You also have to remember that these people are not spending very much time with their kids at all. In Manhattan, it is perfectly acceptable practice for a nanny to be with the kid from morning to night, taking them to school and play dates and all activities. Some of the wealthier even have multiple live-in nannies/governesses who are around 24/7, even on the weekend. The parent only does as much as they care to do. It’s not parenting like most of us experienced.

Having grown up in that world R81, that was mostly families where both parents had high power jobs and there weren't that many of them and the other moms mocked them- "high powered jobs" also included being a certain type of celebrity--I knew kids whose parents were name actors but still managed to mostly be around to parent them.

But regulation hedge funders and tech titans and the like were generally around, especially the moms. Like we had a full time nanny for me and my brother, but she mostly ferried us from place to place--e.g., if I had baseball practice and my brother had lacrosse after school, the nanny might take me to baseball and my mom would take him to lacrosse. And if my parents were going out, she'd make dinner for us but that was maybe once a week, not every night.

R81 sounds like the parents I would be if I could.

R82 any celebrity mom dirt?

comes down to money. if you have unlimited financial resources, all the shitty parts of parenting can be farmed out to employees. That doesnt explain baldwin's situation though. eventually 7 kids in a house are 7 kids in a house. you can't pay your way out of that amount of noise and chaos.

He can't even divorce her at this point. What tattered career he has would be permanently blown to pieces, divorcing the mother of his 7 small children.

Brigitte Nielsen gave birth 4 years ago at age 54. Don't know if she had a few 15-20 year old eggs left sitting in the back of the freezer or if she used a surrogate's egg.

It's not just a guy thing.

I had an older father and I hate it

Maybe they needed a little publicity

I read an article that quoted a fertility specialist, and in his 20 years of helping people get pregnant, he said he'd never seen a woman older than 46 use her own eggs unless they'd been frozen years before.

I know there are women who have change-of-life babies in their late 40s, but those are highly fertile individuals who've already had several pregnancies so the system is primed, so to speak. It would be unusual for a woman who'd never had kids before to suddenly turn up pregnant accidentally in her early 50s.

There are rumors that Nicole Kidman used her sister's eggs to have her daughters Sunday and Faith. Antonia Kidman has six biological children, so she doesn't seem to have Nicole's fertility issues.

There was also a rumor that Halle Berry used an egg donor for both her children too, choosing a biracial donor so the baby would more closely resemble Halle. The scuttlebutt was that Gabriel Aubry was pissed when he found out about it after their daughter was born, as Halle had led him to believe that IVF was being done with her egg,

[quote] Men having babies late in life are the reason we have so many people with autism. Men's chances of having an autistic child go up more and more as they age

If this were true, we would have expected the autism rate to go down during the 20th/21st centuries because it used to be much more common for women to marry men much older than they were.

[quote]Women over 50 have more down syndrome babies than younger women.

LOL. Did you mean to say 35? Because no one over 50 is getting pregnant with her own egg.

I don’t think that’s accurate r91. It may have been in dynasties, but not so much for ordinary folk.

I look at my family’s history on both sides. Most of the partners, over two centuries, were within five years of each other. I don’t believe this is unique.

Hmm R91

Maybe that also has something to do with autism not being diagnosed or even recognized until fairly recently.

Just a thought

The simplest truth of sex economics is this: it’s easier for a woman to learn to do the things men do, than it is for a man to learn to control his sexual urges and/or have a baby.

If you erase everything considered a “man’s creation,” something that exists because of men’s labor, you have naked humanity. If however you erase everything that exists because of women’s labor, humanity is gone. Every human being who has ever lived is technically a female’s triumph against the odds and vagaries of Nature.

Men mired in their greed and lust for power, therefore, use every form of violence and coercion at their disposal to keep women in our place beneath them. This is the nature of domination. Every human is dependent on other humans, and we are all dependent on the earth, its plants, its minerals and its creatures. The king is dependent on peasants, the cotton farmer is dependent on slaves.

The dominator cannot bear the evidence of his dependency and copes by belittling that which he depends on. The dominator is nothing and no one without those he coerces and controls. The control builds him up, but the dominated are always there, existing as pathetic reminders of his dependency.

That’s why men will eventually doom themselves by destroying all women and depleting the planet, to prove to their own egos that they don’t need either.

R91, I wondered about that, because yes, in the centuries before modern medicine widowhood and remarriage was extremely common. I've even heard that in some places the average marriage lasted 15 years, so yes, before modern medicine it was common for men to lose a wife or two, and marry a younger woman to raise his kids and breed more.

However, it was also common for men to die young or in midlife, hell, in the early 20th century it seemed like the manly thing to do was to die of a massive heart attack before sixty. In those days, any man who didn't have chest pains and an ulcer must have suspected of being gay...

Historically, old fathers were a statistical anomaly, so autism rates would have been relatively low. What's changed now is that the average age of first time fatherhood has increased for the whole population, so autism is now more common (though still extremely rare).

I think it is old fathers and we have degraded our food with chemicals, hormones, and pollution. It's no wonder that we have all these mental problems and we also have the biggest population of all time. There have never been this many people on earth at the same time.

[quote] so autism is now more common (though still extremely rare)

Autism is not extremely rare

Oh, in THEIR 50s and 60s. I thought this was about siring children during the Eisenhower-Kennedy years.

I can't believe it took until post R100 for someone to oh dear the unclear phrasing in the title. DL is slipping, y'all.

I would have fixed it but there is no edit button.

Those young boys look like they want to get the heck out of there. The infant he's holding has absolutely no idea who he is.

There was actually a 100 year old man who sired a child with a 16 year old girl once. The girl had terrible pain all through the pregnancy because the baby kept banging on the uterus with its cane.

R103 I busted out laughing

When faced with such an avalanche of babies, how much do you feel for any one of them?

R99 Autism occurs at a rate of 2.2%, and has as sixfold increase if the father is over 40. That's extremely rare.

This is one of the reasons why I'm older than my uncle. Our peers thought we were siblings as kids. We just went with it because we found the real reason too embarrassing and confusing. My grandfather now has dementia and needs elder care and my barely 30 year old uncle was all too eager to dump all of the responsibility off on my mother and aunt who are...starting to show signs of caregiver stress (they're not exactly spring chickens).

[quote]breeding fetish

God help me, this is actually a thing.

"Breed me Daddy!!!"

She’s probably addicted to the attention being pregnant gets her.

Morrissey has a great song about that.

Those Baldwins are literally littering the planet.

My mom’s dead.

R111, that's great! I will offer, "you're the dregs, shut your legs!"

Is 2.2 percent extremely rare? I guess gay people are extremely rare.

Gay people [italic] are[/italic] rare. Homosexuality occurs at a rate of 1.5-3%. The recent increase in the LGBT population is almost exclusively women identifying as bisexual.

But extremely rare? I guess it’s subjective, but when I think of extremely rare I think of hermaphroditism, genius IQ, Siamese twins etc. Gays and autistic people seem merely uncommon.

130+ IQs occur at the same rate as homosexuality (2%).

Are you sure 130 IQ is genius?

Genius is 145+, but given that the average IQ is 100, 130 is still considered gifted.

Gifted perhaps. But not genius.

They fear death. No -- that's it!

I think the jury is still out on the exact consequences of making a baby with senior citizen sperm, but anecdotally it seems to be associated with increased risk of health problems.

r122 I think we are slowly going in the direction of men routinely having the option with little cost to freeze their sperm at a clinic when in their twenties and being able to use it if desired to father children later in life It's sperm age rather than the man's age and sperm freezing can separate these two factors.

"This is one of the reasons why I'm older than my uncle."

I know a couple of young men like this! They're uncle and nephew, because a man married again and had a new baby, at the same time that the daughter from his first marriage had a son. So these guys are the same age and grew up together, but they are uncle and nephew.

They call themselves "cousins" a lot of the time, to save explaining the situation to people they don't know well.