Suri is all grown up .

Look at the creepy, leering, old guy behind her. Someone check his place for torsos.

^ Hahahaha! That old guy is just happy to be standing up. He doesn't even remember what "leering" meant

At least Katie doesn't carry her anymore

No more gigantic bows and maryjanes.

What's that thing on Katie's feet?

Katie’s genes kicked in and she got tall. She’s almost 16 now?

She's 15.

"What's that thing on Katie's feet? "

Shoes?

Ugly shoes.

Is that Suri with the fringe on top?

I remember when Suri was just a pillow.

Tom’s not her father. Katie was pregnant when they met. The ‘church’ interviewed prospective candidates, including Scarlet Johanson, who was REALLY freaked out when they cleaned her car while she was inside (she thought the meeting was about a movie!). Suri’s father has been rumored to be either Chris Klein, of American Pie fame, or Josh Hartnett.

Whatever the truth, she doesn’t need Tom in her life. It bears repeating: Katie didn’t LEAVE Tom, it was more like an escape. She was a virtual prisoner of Scientology. Those who aren’t familiar should google the history; its eye-opening.

I think the real father is Tom’s cousin William Mapother.

Except that Suri looks like a combination of both parents although she really favors Katie. Anything is possible with that freak Tom Cruise, though

William Mapother is a better guess

I always thought it inappropriate for young girls at that age to walk around half dressed . It attracts creeps. That should be save for the backyard or.country not a busy city street. She doesn’t even look altogether that comfortable with her arms folded and those shitty flip flops.

^ She looks fine like any 15 year old girl

Yes, it’s girls’ fault that men leer at them.

That’s not the point^^^

The issue is straight men, r15. If covering up prevented rape, no conservatively dress Muslim woman or elderly western woman would ever be the victim of rape. No amount of changing your clothing will stop a rapist from raping.

^ Are we talking about that 90 year old man who looks like he just cut the cheese?

There's no "issue". Young women dress like that because of male attention, not in spite of it.

I'd forgotten about Suri. The creepy trend of fixating obsessive attention on celebs toddler aged children seems to have lessened slightly . Not that Suri is a toddler anymore obviously but it was a big thing in the mid 2000s. Entire magazine stories on 5 year olds. It was bizarre and unseemly.

I've always thought there was something odd about Katie Holmes. Or maybe simply confusing. Usually you can get a read on what general type of person a celeb is but Holmes seems strange and inscrutable. At least she's not forcing her bad acting on us any more.

Anyone who marries Tom Cruise would be considered "odd"

I hope she stays out of the media. We already have Lordes with her disgusting pit hair and nasty tongue.

I don't understand people who say Tom is not her father. I mean he doesn't actually have to have sex with Katie to be the father.

This makes me feel old.

Allegedly, it's been at least 8 years and counting since Tom has Seen Suri...

HOW DO WE KNOW? because not a single photo or video of him with her by ANYONE, regular joe, the paps, etc have been taken or seen by anyone of tom with suri, tom arriving or leaving from where suri is or was, katie never proclaiming (because she has to have heard the rumors of this) never saying that tom does visit her regularly, tom didn't even fight for HALF custody much less FULL custody, under oath at a lawsuit against "IN TOUCH" magazine, that had the cover story of tom abandoning suri, he mentioned at the time he hadn't seen Suri in 4 months and this was years ago, and lastly, tom had no problem having Suri visit him on film sets when he was married to holmes, but since the divorce NEVER seen on any film set whereas his cultie son Connor has been....

Circumstantial evidence, but put it al together including his cult's "disconnection policy" and there you have it!

I wonder if Cruise worries about when Suri hits 18, is a legal adult, the stories she can tell the entire world about her father? TOM CRUISE!...

Then again, he, cruise, has got away with all of this including being the public face of a evil abusive cult for so so long, he probably laughs at it all and the public!..

She doesn't look like a fame whore, unlike Courtney Love's kid, who obviously got off big time on Cobain and Love being her parents.

I couldn’t focus on the comments…I kept going back to look at Katie’s dingy T-shirt.

She got her mother’s legs and hair and bone structure, thank goodness.

Quite big tits.

R12 That would make sense if Suri didn’t look like Tom. She does resemble Katie but she does look a lot like Tom.

Inappropriate attire for public urban outing, even in southeast Asia.

Rape has little to do with it. She looks like she's grabbing the mail in her suburban home.

Can't be that recent because when has it been warm enough to dress like that?

She was a very cute kid, but not so much as a teenager/young adult. She's still good looking, but not gorgeous or "Hollywood pretty". Even though Brad Pitt's daughter Shiloh was going through that weird tomboy phase, she's really growing into a gorgeous young woman. I remember the blogs and magazines were constantly comparing these two, so Shiloh hands-down wins the Hollywood offspring contest.

Katie is such a conservative dresser. I’m surprised she lets Suri wear skimpy outfits. Maybe the short shorts OR the low cut top. But both together is a bit much. At least at that age. 15 is still a kid.

She looks like she's being held hostage.

Teenage girls dress like whores these days.

Aren't you late for your Taliban meeting, R38?

R38 is correct. Suri is dressed like some carnival fairground "hootchie-kootch" dancer. Disgraceful.

In my dear Mother's day, only strumpets and saloon hostesses would dare expose their bare limbs like that in daylight hours.

Fascinating I've got R38 blocked. Either the incel troll or resident scolding KG frau. Same one lecturing that Meghan should not have gotten married in a white dress?

Tom deserting his daughter is the main reason I don’t like him.

It appears that Katie Holmes is doing a good job of raising a healthy kid. They're usually seen together in photos wearing average clothes. Compared to a family like the whore hoard Kardashians, they are stellar.

The sperm donor, Tom, will always be a freak.

I remember reading one of the reasons katie took off with the kid was she didn't want the childhood Cof$ had planned for her part of which was to raise her like sheltered royalty with bodyguards and paparazzi. She wanted a normal life for her. After she got free of Tammy, you saw Suri riding subways and eating out with other normal kids.

I miss Suri’s Burn Book

[quote] She doesn't look like a fame whore, unlike Courtney Love's kid, who obviously got off big time on Cobain and Love being her parents

Aw, what do you expect? She’s been told her whole life by fans and people in the music industry how special her parents are. (Whether that is true about K&C is not the issue.)

She's....cute.

If mediocre is your thing.

She looks just like Tom. Why would someone think he's not the bio dad?

There's a good reason why he's not seen in public with her. His "church" forces its members to "disconnect" (cut contact) with family members who don't belong to the church. So many people have been forced to abandon their parents, siblings, and even their children. It wouldn't be fair for them to go to a store and see a tabloid photo of him getting to spend time with his kid who isn't in the cult. I expect he sees her secretly, though, away from cameras, because some "church" leaders are hypocritical when it comes to following church rules themselves.

I doubt it R48. I don't think Katie would allow it unless it's supervised.

I think some threats were issued when Tom tried kidnapping her.

I have this respect from a distance for how tough Katie Holmes turned out to be.

I totally agree r50. As someone who also had a “broken picker” in my youth, at least she got the fuck out once she realized she picked a complete lunatic. Once she made the decision, she and her father literally coordinated a black special Ops escape plan and she had the balls to pull it off, including firing Co$ staff like an assassin.

Suri and Tom have the same eyes.

DATE OF PIC???? WHERE IS IT FLIP FLOP WEATHER?

R40, marry me!

It’s not winter everywhere R53.

still, DATE OF PIC

I’ve written this on other threads but it’s highly appropriate for this one: When my mom was dying, I asked her if there was anything she regretted. She thought a moment and said: “that I’ll never know what went on behind the scenes of the Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes divorce.”

My mom always had her priorities straight!

Katie's flip flops look like they have gigantic old people toenail clippings as decorative accents.

Florida, Georgia, SC, (flip flop weather)

looks like a NYC sidewalk to me.

Sticks in my craw when people comment on stuff that is completely dateless and locationless. Its a bad inclination on the Intertubes.

You can google the picture, lots of tabloids carried the story, so I'm sure you'll find a date

OK. But why should I HAVE TO do that. People are so fucking lazy. It's from last august. So this his hardly NEWS.

^ Well, now you know :)

That guy behind her is leering because he thinks she's a crack whore.

^ Nah, he just filled his diaper for the first time in 3 days

"Whaddya out here sellin' your little pussy for?"

Some of you are so obtuse, it’s not about her being raped. Young teen girls are ogled. Period!! Why encourage it? There are ways to dress in a hot crowded city and that’s not an appropriate one. No one is suggesting a burka you fuckwits.

I’m surprised she still goes by Cruise. He really seems to have nothing to do with her. I do think he’s her bio father or it’s Tommy Davis, who she really resembled as a child.

She doesn’t look skanky just like she’s dressed for hot weather

the thing is if cruise wasn't the father, and it one of the men mentioned, wouldn't this mean by she, Katie Holmes, would have been "in on it"?...

I highly highly doubt Katie would be okay with this! Besides during the divorce proceedings, she too wouldn't have a leg to stand on if it turns on she knew that cruise wasn't the father and why and how could she get full custody, when like cruise, she had "something to hide"?...

Stop obsessing over what this kid is wearing. She dresses like a normal 15 year old on a hot summer day, besides her mother is right there with her. If her mother doesn't have a problem than neither should you

Without opinions where would the DL be. You silly git.

^ And I expressed mine, without calling you a name

Of course she was in on it, R70! Their relationship was a total business arrangement. Why wouldn’t she get full custody if she’s the mother and Tom isn’t the father? I’m sure Tom had way more to hide, hence her getting custody and the divorce.. Plus if it’s not his kid, even more reason for him to let it go.

If she’s anybody’s love child,, I hope it’s James Van Der Beek, after all we know he’s quite fecund.

Beach/sleeping attire.

She could have worn a nice sundress and revealed just as much skin while looking 10thousand times more appropriate, even with the flipflops.

Shut up you fucking fraus!

Suri looks fine.

She has Tom Cruise's eyes and a smaller, more feminine version of his nose. That's his kid.

I wonder if people have a hard time accepting that because he walked away from her so coldly? He wouldn't be the first narcissist to abandon their child.

She has Tom's childbearing hips.

R12 The timeline doesn't work. Katie Holmes and Tammy met in 2005. The famous Oprah episode where he jumped on the couch aired in May 2005. Suri was born in April 2006, 11 months later.

Unless she's part elephant, Holmes wasn't pregnant when she met Tammy.

R50, she had a father who is an attorney, willing and able to protect her rights and those of his granddaughter. She was smart enough to listen to him and work with a team to carry out the plan. I remember this, covered in real time, and it was cleverly done.

I wonder if she's mad that her parents named her "Suri."

Im no prude but that is an awfully skimpy outfit for city wear. Katie looks like shit .That being said,Suri is a very pretty girl who I think will turn into a very beautiful woman.

R57, your mom sounds like she was tons of fun. Sorry for your loss, but I am glad you can remember her with humor.

I think she looks exactly like Tom.

He's not in her life because he's a brainwashed member of a cult. It's that simple.

I want Suri and Shiloh Jolie-Pitt to have a deadly rivalry and then, after many years of spy-vs.-spy-type antics, get married.

[quote]I totally agree [R50]. As someone who also had a “broken picker” in my youth, at least she got the fuck out once she realized she picked a complete lunatic. Once she made the decision, she and her father literally coordinated a black special Ops escape plan and she had the balls to pull it off, including firing Co$ staff like an assassin.

Is there a good play-by-play (articles, Wikipedias, YouTube videos, unauthorized bios etc.) that give the inside story of what you're describing? I was in college when that all went down and vaguely recall some of it, but it would be cool to learn more about her escape from Tom and Scientology.

R88 Here's a good one.

Suri looks glib and suppressive in that photo!

There's never been a real account of how she pulled it off, only whispers. I don't think the truth will be known until Tom is dead.

I remember hearing that she was planning it for 6 months to a year, had burner phones and everything.

I find everything about this cult and the people in it to be deeply deeply dull and stupid. Really, dumbasses getting what they deserve for being such fools and imbeciles.

Where is David Miscavage's wife? Buried under Tammy's crawl space?

Miss Holmes must have the IQ of a functional retard to have put up with this for a month, let alone years.

I lost my virginity at 15.

Tammy thinks that if the woman is "perfect" and violins play under the stars while lying on a carpet of flowers, he will magically become straight. He keeps trying to find the perfect woman for the role as he believes he is the perfect man, and then the magic will happen.

The most interesting development he could ever make would be to toss all that shit aside and come out of his closet, and he never will. Pinnochio will never become a real boy. Sad too, as I think he'd not only gain the world's respect, but maybe his own.

But no one gives up an entire "church" full of slave-asslickers without seeing through their own illusions, first

Ahwell, at least that cult keeps him physically healthy, unlike WackoJacko's enablers.

I smell a rebellious streak in her. Nothing to do with what she's wearing now, more what I'm vibing she will be (not) wearing in a few more years.

I would like to know if he still pays child support for the child he has no contact with. I also wonder how Kidman feels about all of this. She basically abandoned her kids with Cruise after the divorce. She was blindsided when he filed for divorce, but it seems she just moved on and started a new family with Keith Urban. She was already a rich international superstar and could probably afford top lawyers and security to protect her from Cruise and the cult, but she just moved on. Many families don't have these resources and public platform and still fight for their children, parents, brothers or sisters.

Cruise pays $400,000 a year until Suri turns 18 as well as medical and other expenses.

I'd thought Katie walked away with a substantial settlement, but outside of Suri's money, no.

Of course she isn’t around her father. What 15 year old wants to compete with her father to see who gets to have sex with the boyfriend first?

Suri looks very much like Tom. But then again, I always thought his son resembled him as well. It sucks if Tom indeed does not see her, but we don’t know the backstory. Perhaps Katie made a deal in their settlement. Maybe it is in Suri’s best interest, I don’t know why, but my point is we don’t know. At least Katie seems to be a devoted mother and is with her daughter and engaged. I respect that. suri got one steady and close parent and that’s more than many of us.

R12

[quote] The ‘church’ interviewed prospective candidates, including Scarlet Johanson, who was REALLY freaked out when they cleaned her car while she was inside

What? Can someone explain this about the car?

Speaking of where is miscavige's wife.. . she is holed up at the cult's very very private compound in lake arrowhead, california... and has not been seen in public for over 12 years and counting. she' so scared and/or brainwashed even if the place was raided she would tell the authorities she's fine and wants to be there. We have to remember that the cult has police like the l.a.p.d. and the police in this area of lake arrowhead paid off.....

On a sidenote, how is it that cruise who presumably was good friends himself with the wife of his best friend, the leader, hasn't himself seen her in all this time and thinks nothing of it??????????? ON WHAT PLANET could miscavige told ANY story that any person with even 1/4 of a brain believe as to why he, cruise, hasn't and can't see her? 1) she did bad bad stuff and is rightfully being punished? 2) she is happy happy working working so much that is why you (tom) can't see her, she's fine?! in fact, she's working so much that she can't attend ANY important functions no matter how important in our "religion".. you know the WIFE of the leader, who WAS everywhere in the past....

Never mind, how utterly improper, unethical, inappropriate, and plainly wrong and perverse, for anyone to make their "religious leader" their best friend! Or said "religious leader" to even HAVE a best friend that they place above all members and do all kinds of non religious activities together?!... How in the fuck does cruise not see this??? the guy was a catholic until his mid 20's before he join this thing. So it's not like he doesn't know better! What if he was still a catholic, he would be hanging out with the Pope skydiving, riding motorcycles together, going to car races, having surprise birthday parties on a yacht and have the pope send his minions from Rome to kiss his ass, to be his "handlers" and to take care of his homes, cars, airplanes, airplane hangar and so on??..

HOW IN THE WORLD has cruise got away with all of this, including abandoning Suri, for so so long ! shame on all media!...

MARY R104! Frau much?

R104, this cult is no normal church.

They fucking raided the FBI, torture people, stalk them, own two towns and still got tax exempt status.

That is not normal. It's also a front for some kind of money laundering shit--they have a worldwide portfolio of nearly empty real estate.

What about the two children he adopted with Nicole?

Do Tom and/or Nicole have anything to do with them now?

Didn't the daughter ask Nicole not to attend her wedding a few years ago?

R107, I don’t think Tom even attended, just paid for it, if memory serves. He seems much closer with the son.

R107... the grown children, Connor and Bella, are culties... Tom hangs out with Connor more than Bella. Connor enjoys and get the 2nd hand ass kissing from the "religion" and like his father, thinks nothing wrong with doing so. Bella, seems to try and live a quiet life in London as a designer....

Bella didn't invite either parent because she didn't want it to be a spectacle.. but allegedly, tom did pay for all of it...

She frequently looks like a bum. I can’t tell if she looks like Tammy both he and Katie look alike.

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Heaths kid looks fat

R110 you don’t know many teenagers, do you? She looks pretty typical.

She’s also a beauty but no surprise given her parents.

I don't expect Suri will turn out anything like Lourdes Ciccone. Lourdes rarely smiled as a teenager. You never saw her with kids her own age doing fun stuff. She was almost always surrounded by adults, and I think she was treated like an adult as soon as she hit puberty.

I've never been a fan of Katie Holmes as an actor, but she strikes me as sensible, and yes, a very committed mom.

Imagine growing up with Madonna as your mother and role model.

I never understood how Scientology got religious status as they don't appear to do anything "religious."

I think the reason Katie was able to get the child away- and that Suri no longer has a relationship with Tom- is that Suri is not his blood relative.

r117 I think that played a big part. He knew he couldn't pass a paternity test, and he would have looked (even more) ridiculous, so he didn't pursue it like I image he would have if Suri really was his kid.

[quote] I wonder how long has it been since she's seen her father?

All she has to do is visit the Church of Scientology Center in Los Angeles where I'm sure they still keep that turkey baster in a spare drawer.

Nicole's two kids were both adopted and Tom took them both.

[quote] What if he was still a catholic, he would be hanging out with the Pope skydiving, riding motorcycles together, going to car races, having surprise birthday parties on a yacht and have the pope send his minions from Rome to kiss his ass, to be his "handlers" and to take care of his homes, cars, airplanes, airplane hangar and so on??

If the Catholics had done all that, Tom would still be Catholic.

He was a major movie star when he joined Scientology and they have always kissed his ass and provided him with slave labor. That's why he loves it. And he doesn't give a shit where Shelley is.

Siri may have some resemblance to Tammy in the eye (more Katie to me), but the facial bone structure is definitely not there at all.

[quote]I would like to know if he still pays child support for the child he has no contact with.

I don't think you can get out of paying child support just by ignoring the kid. He's on the hook until she's 18.

Extra points for wearing face masks.

^Photo is old. No one wears them now except elderly, ill shut ins.

[quote]I don't think you can get out of paying child support just by ignoring the kid

Ya think?

It's sad that nobody wants Bella.

^Bella changed her name to Kidman-Cruise when she was trying to sell her "designer" t-shirts. She probably realized that her father is a crazy lunatic, but her mom is actually a well respected actress and fashion icon so adding her name was better for business. The woman is a stupid opportunist.

Will Suri be in Tom’s will or not because of reasons that are well known to her?

Doubt it R129. Tom had to settle very large sum on Katie per the divorce. Neither she nor Suri will ever have to work though I see Suri having an education and career unlike other celeb kids.

R41 STFU, Meghan shouldn't have been been getting married at all.

R97 Does Lourdes have HIV?

[quote] She basically abandoned her kids with Cruise after the divorce

I saw it as they were thoroughly brainwashed that their mom was a suppressive person so they pulled away as soon as they were old enough to do so. Nicole didn’t challenge it in the courts but I doubt she wanted to take on $cientology’s legal team.

I want to have compassion for Bella because she is very homely and it must have sucked growing up the daughter of beautiful movie stars, but she has always seemed too unlikable to root for. Adding the name Kidman to her “fashion” line was the ultimate dick move given she wants nothing to do with Nicole.

I wanted to add that not only did Katie turn out to be tough as fuck, but her dad must be a hell of a lawyer. Scientology never backs off from taking people to court and yet they did with Katie.

She and her dad plotted her escape down to the last glorious detail. It would make a great movie. Burner phones, most likely very damning evidence about church activities and personal shit about Cruise and Miscavige, the escape with the kid. Like that stupid Julia Robert's movie only real.

The “Suri doesn’t look like Tom Cruise, but she DOES look like William Mapother!” people are insane. William Mapthoer looks exactly like an ugly, blond Tom Cruise.

Katie's dad isn't just a lawyer, he's a top divorce lawyer. He knew exactly what to do to extricate his daughter and granddaughter from Scientology's clutches.

Nicole's feelings about her ex-husband's cult are telegraphed in interesting ways: She named her daughters with Keith Urban "Sunday" and "Faith."

Looking back at tabloid photos of the then Katie she really did look like a haunted, abused woman. She got very gaunt and was followed around constantly by scieno thugs.

Does anyone remember the Spielberg/Capshaw vs. Cruise story?

She was just cast to play the sexy seductress villain in the new Marvel super hero movie, of course

Tom never had a biokid until Suri because Nicole had rampant fertility problems. She was open about her younger daughter with Urban being carried by surrogate, and rumor has it that the older daughter was surrogate as well, with both girls conceived from donor eggs. Nicole just wore a moonbump the first time.

Tom might have had more children with Katie, but she figured out early on what she'd gotten herself into and no more babies were forthcoming.

^Pure bullshit. If anyone was/is infertile it's Tom Cruise. Just ask his first wife. He couldn't even get it up.

What does getting it up have to do with it? I don't dispute that Suri was probably made in a test tube, but that the sperm belonged to Cruise is a certainty.

Why are uggos always named Bella?

R143 I asked that all the time

Hadid, Loughlin...

nicole had a few miscarriages with tom and that is why they decide to adopt (allegedly)...

nicole keeps quiet talking about scientology in a negative light, just in case, her grown children will someday wake up, although if by now they haven't then when?...

nicole went back to and is now a practicing catholic....

I would love to know how much $$$$ Cruise pays in child support a month. How does it work when one parent has sole custody? Does the whole similar-lifestyle-with-both-parents still apply? If so, Katie must be rolling in the dough every month. Cruise is a lunatic but he makes bank. I don't see Katie living in some opulent apartment. She's probably built a nice trust fund for Suri with what she's saved from those monthly checks.

Per the announcements back when they split, Tammy pays 400,000 a year plus Suri's expenses

R135 I always thought she got her hands on some big piece of evidence and that's how she was able to get away.

Scientology has also lost a lot of its power and influence in recent years. As a kid in the 90s, celebrity gossip was the first thing I looked for when my family got the internet (gayling alert!) and gossip was so juicy then because the mainstream did not care. Except when it came to Scientology. Threads and blind items about Scientologists/Scientologists were forever getting locked and/or deleted. That doesn't happen to such anymore.

R143= Chris Watts

Katie was beautiful when she got with TC, then really became haggard looking. She’s physically never recovered, nor did her career.

I remember reading years ago a few times, Tom was infertile and this was way before Katie. There were also blind item gossip that Nicole was a hermaphrodite (no joke, lol). So who the hell knows. I think Suri resembles him, but I think she resembles Tommy Davis more. Even in one of the stories linked here, he went everywhere with Cruise when he was ‘dating’ that Iranian actress before Katie. I think him not being the bio father was the only way Katie walked away with the kid.

This is a new picture of her. She really looks like Katie now.

Pleasant looking enough, R151.

But when I famously said, "If you want the girl next door.... go next door!" it's as if poor Suri took it quite literally.

She looks like Tammy when she's squinty.

She's adorable in that photo. So sick of sullen, bitch faced young women.

She's got Tom's schnoz.

How tall is Suri? She doesn't look very tall in the pic at R155 and seems to have inherited Tammy's stocky build and short legs.

It’s nice she doesn’t look like a whore like the teens in the kardasian family did

Is she covered up enough for you puritanical bitches?

Oh come ON. The girl at R151 is Tom with tits. She has his coloring, his eyes, his nose, and his grin. IDK if they had to do expensive fertility voodoo to produce her, but she's clearly is biological daughter. I mean, it's not as if he didn't have the money for space-age procreation.

I think it helps that Katie and Tom have very similar coloring. You can see either or both parents in her

I don't see Katie in that squint, though.

At least Suri didn't get Tom's off-center top teeth, if he is her bio dad.

So is Suri taller than Tommy now?

My cat is taller than Tammy.

Are any of the Van der Beek boys old enough for a Dawson’s: Next Generations reboot with the Suri?

The Van der Beek boys should reboot it as Dawson's Crack.

I find it so weird that such a celebrity like Tom, doesn’t have any contact or doesn’t care about his own daughter because the stupidity of Scientology and suppressive persons. What a Narcissistic asshole. But I’m sure, for Suri, it was the best thing to grow up far far away from the cult. Great job on Katie…getting away. At the end she really looked emotionally abused and tired. I remember pictures of her very skinny, dark eye circles, unkept hair, haggard looking and dull skin. She looked depressed and stressed. Her father saved her indeed.

My advice (because you all are doing to know)--Suri to stay far away from the entertainment world and pursue a quiet professional life where she can be taken seriously for her genuine skills.

Otherwise she will never know what she is capable of.

R151 In this photo, Suri looks just like Tommy Davis does in the photo at R68. They have the same down-turned eyes, nose, small mouth with thin lips, and a big space between their mouth and chin.

R151, wow in that picture she has the exact smile as Tom cruise.

Yeah she does have Tom’s smile. I think she looks really pretty when she smiles too.

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[Quote]At least Suri didn't get Tom's off-center top teeth, if he is her bio dad.

Interesting that he never fixed his teeth. Almost every celebrity has veneers these days. Tammy could easily fix his weird teeth with a bunch of veneers and it would probably cost less than $10k.

[quote]Threads and blind items about Scientologists/Scientologists were forever getting locked and/or deleted.

I was on the Usenet group dedicated to exposing them and people knew a LOT, they had lists of members, their donation amounts, nicknames, insiders who had been in their homes and could confirm they had IAS awards, etc. We were forever having to deal with Scientologists posting forged "cancel" messages, which was the only way to delete a Usenet post, and which wasn't very successful but they did it anyway. They also would falsely claim posts were spam and get them deleted that way.

[quote]So is Suri taller than Tommy now?

Since she was 5.

IF any and all what the lowdown on scientology, I would suggest visiting every week www.tonyortega.org and the youtube channel of chris shelton.....

R166, what is amazing is that he has gotten away with being a deadbeat father (never mind the public face of a abusive cult) for so long! Both by the media and self absorbed celebrity worshipping moviegoers... I can't think of any major star who has "gotten away" with these 2 HUGE TWIN wrongs for years and years and NEVER called on it? If he was a politician (likewise who has their career like a movie star based on the public) his career would have ended long ago....

He won't and hasn't sat for a "real interview" in over a decade and goes on the late night butt kissing talk shows where he bans anyone, anytime, anywhere from asking him personal questions just like when he shows up on the red carpet for any of his movie premieres and shockingly the media listens to him!

R172, I was talking about how his top front teeth don't align centered under his nose, like most people's do.

I don’t know what Katie Holmes thought she signed up for, and I’m not suggesting it didn’t get much uglier than she ever expected, but she is not completely innocent here. She is a total fame whore. Anyone else remember that embarrassing dance she did with Tom? Not to mention her staged shots with Jamie Foxx and then that restaurant guy.

There were reports that she disappeared for a week shortly after she started dating Cruise. People speculated that she was brainwashed in some secret Scieno camp so I give her a pass for her famewhoring with Cruise. She also seemed estranged from her family and sisters and they were all really close before she met the $cieno freak. It was also almost impossible for her parents or family to meet in private or have a private conversation on the phone. Her handlers were always around and following her everywhere.

Remember the controversy with Spielberg? Cruise was apparently pissed that Spielberg's wife and Katie were having lunch without any handlers around and Cruise was irritated that Spielberg didn't know where his wife was and did not ask for his permission.

Yes R178. I mentioned the Spielberg/Capshaw incident above. Yes, her family was kept away from her after she started dating Tom. What a fucking weirdo.

I doubt Holmes is a famewhore. She seems to keep a pretty low profile.

Did James Van der Beek and Joshua Jackson do nothing about trying to rescue her? That show made her so dependent upon those boys she couldn’t think for herself anymore and someone should have sent them in with back up of Jen’s grandmother. Jen was dead at that point so what else would she be doing?

I don't think the kids from DAWSONS CREEK are really tight as adults, R180.

I don't see Michelle Williams hanging with Katie, now or ever.

Cruise wine and dine her and laid on the charm and charisma majorly thick, kind of what his cult did to him, called "love bombing"....

she had a crush on him since she was a young actress, she was overwhelmed simply until reality set in......

Katie Holmes was only 26, lived a shelter life with her very close family, ( i believe she is the baby of the family) and hardly "worldly"...

I guess I’m just cynical. She always looked like she was loving the media attention.

Maybe at the beginning when it was new and Tom was flying her to dinner in NY via private jet and when the paps were doing stories on the 3 power couples that included TomKat, the Smiths and the Beckhams who were all besties. All made up PR shit, of course.

After Suri was born, she was photographed alone looking haggard, depressed and slovenly while trying to protect the kid from paparazzi cameras. That's when she carried Suri who was often covered with a blanket.

R171 Suri is still growing

I'm sure Katie did love the attention: At the time, she was an ambitious young actress. She had an admitted crush on Tom, he love-bombed her, and God only knows how Scientology mindfucked her during those 10 days she disappeared during her courtship with Tom. Luckily she had a stable enough background to finally shake off the brainwashing and GTFO.

The only thing I would worry about if were Katie is Tom trying to worm his way back into Suri's life when the girl turns 18. Hope Katie kept some good compromat on Tom to prevent that.

It is kind ridiculous to claim she isn't dressing to be objectified. Your belly button doesn't need to be "aired out" nor does your cleavage. You don't dress like that not to be stared at by gross old leering pervs.

It's her business to dress like that, but I'm tired of the bullshit excuses claiming girls don't dress with their tits and stomachs exposed for reasons other than being objectified.

kind of*

Tom Cruise's father was a narcissist and abusive. His mother left with the kids when Cruise was abt 12 and the father basically.abandoned them. At least Cruise pays child support buy it's interesting that he is repeating the same pattern with Suri. For such am Enlightened Theta level or whatever, this behaviour does not seem very enlightened. Anyhow Cruise talks abt his childhood and going to see his father on his deathbed during James Lipton's interview here.

[quote] I’m not suggesting it didn’t get much uglier than she ever expected, but she is not completely innocent here.

For me it’s not that I need to like her to respect her toughness. I mean, she does have a fame whore streak but she still managed to kick Tom Cruise’s ass in a way he never saw coming,

R189... cruise, his sister and mother took off and the father had no idea where they were! who abandoned who? and then cruise has the gall to tell interviewers that he never got a christmas or a birthday card from him? cruise acts like he was abused in every definition of the word for years and years. from the time he was 12 to 21 he never saw his father, but still had the over the top love from his mother and his sisters, so just how bad could his so called terrible abusive childhood be, when it only lasted a very very short time....

cruise was a pussy then and a pussy now...

cruise's mother (recently passed) was also a cultie as are his sisters and one brother in law.... cruise's mother dropped her 2nd husband Jack South, a man who took in her and tom and his sisters without reservation, DID everything for them, including giving Tom money so he could move to new york after high school to start a acting career.... and then? after years of marriage, mother joins the cult and drops her husband and their marriage without a second thought! so basically the mother was messed up too!... like mother, like son....Jack South has since passed away...

AND tom, his cultie sisters and the mother/wife DID NOT EVEN ATTEND his funeral! HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT?! never mind, when cruise got that RIDICULOUS "medal of valor" from his cultie best friend, the sociopath leader, mother and sister were in the front row crying their eyes out at the honor! You know never mind, their very famous successful movie star son and brother LITERALLY emasculated himself before another man on a stage in front of a audience! koo koo family!

Can you imagine how that knocked the wind out of Cruise, Miscavige and the Co$ minions? From what I remember her Dad had rented her an apartment and upon arrival hired bodyguards were there who forced the Co$ handlers and thugs who guarded her to leave. She was literally a prisoner until then.

Anyone remember this Family Guy episode?

I think both Suri and Shilo are very pretty, altho Shilo's a bit horsey/donkey with big lips, wide mouth and giant choppers. Just like mom. Bray!!

@r176, " I was talking about how his top front teeth don't align centered under his nose, like most people's do. "

Now you know why...

He was a cute kid!

^ Very human like, huh?

She's hot! 😍

I truly wonder if cruise is worried when Suri hits 18, is a legal adult, the court ordered child support ends and she'll tell the world what kind of father cruise was?! OR if Katie herself will someday tell the world what she knows since I don't think once Suri hits 18, she is obligated by any divorce papers, proceedings, judge or court to keep her mouth shut forever...

R198 Katie seems relatively "free" of him. Why would she want to stir up trouble for herself by blabbing? She has nothing to gain but everything to lose

My hope is that Suri has been secretly training with Mossad since she was abut 12 and when she turns 18 she’s going to feign that she always loved her father and hated her mother, return to Daddy Tom become deeply embedded in the upper levels of Scientology and bring it down from the inside.

I don't think Katie will speak out and put herself and Suri in the middle of a media storm. Suri, on the other hand, may go through some strum und drang or rebellion and spill something. I wonder how much Katie has told her about Scientology and the reasons for the divorce and the estrangement from her father. Or, more interestingly, what she asks her mother and how persistent she is. I'd be curious as hell and pestering my mother. I hope she gets therapy to work through it when the feelings of abandonment knaw at her and she questions her worth. I don't believe he does Zoom time or anything like that with her. Even if he did, it's a striking public abandonment.

I recall reading Tom cannot have bio children due to some genetic condition.

Anyhow, it’s irrelevant because she’s gorgeous either way. Beautiful girl, dressed like a NYC teen in the NYC summer.

Katie appears to be an excellent parent. She got this right, so far.

Until then, R201, why don’t you tell us YOUR story?

What point are you trying to make, r203? If I wrote something that offends you, why not come out and say it?

True, Katie would have no need to spill the beans, but if she is prompted in a interview after the child support ends and Suri hits 18 maybe she might?.. Can you imagine the countless times Katie has had to explain to Suri why her father doesn't see her over the years? While it's a good thing to NOT be around cruise, still has to hurt Suri! "my father chose some religion over me? Who does this? Why would a religion have him do this? and so on and so on...

Katie spilling the beans would do nothing but put a target on her back.

R206.. a target on her back from whom?

MissCabbage herself R207.

R204?

It was a JOKE.

Sheesh!

R208, what is miscavige going to do?....

He has disappears people R210 or sends his minions to harass people constantly.

How do we know that Cruise doesn't see Suri? Isn't she a "suppressive person"? Maybe he sees her on the (very) downlow, or Facetime. It's not like he couldn't pull it off.

I seem to recall when they first split up he had supervised visitations but I think that ended due to his refusing or the clams putting pressure on him to disassociate.

The custody agreement was "live with Katie, Tom has significant visitation, she's not allowed to go to a boarding school"

There have been no pictures of Tom (one of the most photographed men in the world) with Suri in years.

^ Right, but that could easily be on purpose considering Tom's place in Scientology.

Little Suri, will she happy at last when she’s all grown up?

R215 how would it help Tom to be seen as a deadbeat Dad?

No, if he'd seen her there would be a few shots with captions like "Tom Cruise takes daughter Suri out for some family time" or some shit.

R217

It hasn't seemed to hurt his career. Perhaps it's just coincidence or luck that it's never blown up, or behind-the-scenes maneuvering to keep a lid on his (assumed) deadbeat status. Maybe he believes the repercussions of him openly associating with an "SP" in flagrant disregard of his cult's teachings would be worse than some of the public speculating about him being a shit dad?

Suri clearly took after her mother in looks, unfortunately. Love to know how they manage money in these bearding situations. How does Tom protect himself without explicitly admitting marriage is sham. I think amber heard and Loni Anderson were blackmailing their gay husband's for more money and custody rights . Loni Anderson said that Burt told her that they would never have sex at beginning of marriage. Why would a participant in arranged marriage say that except as a threat to reveal More.

Odd he's never hooked up with another woman. Maybe he realized the public was too savvy now.

Well, just look at how he dumped Nicole…

Is TC a heartless bastard?

Or is he just a heartless Clam?

[quote]No, if he'd seen her there would be a few shots with captions like "Tom Cruise takes daughter Suri out for some family time" or some shit.

You can't possibly believe this, can you? Do you know how many celebs meet and hang out and no one hears about it or sees it?

I'm not saying that he does see her at all. I'm saying, I've been around all three of these people a few times for longer than an hour or so and no one snapped a damn photo.

Scroll down to "Scientology disconnection, a reminder". for a list of people who left the cult and how many days it's been since they've seen their loved one. It's heartbreaking.

Spill R223.

But, r223, at this juncture when it looks like he's estranged from her, wouldn't paps be trying outdo each other for a money shot that would bring in thousands?

R223.. his cult has a disconnection policy.. AND NO ONE I REPEAT NO ONE on the planet, NOT ONE TIME, has there been a photo of suri with tom in years, NOT by the paparazzi, not by a average joe in the right place at the right time, not by a professional photographer with said camera, not anyone with a cell phone camera, no video as well! FOR YEARS! What tom sneaks in to see suri, invisible? and NEVER EVER EVER takes her anywhere out in public, where as one of the most people on the planet he would be seen and photographed and filmed? What Suri only sees tom in secret and never goes anywhere with him?

not only nothing with him with suri, but no photo or video by anyone even of him arriving or leaving where Suri would be... HE also has never attended any of suri's big birthday parties that Katie always throws her and with pictures and videos of those parties that are online either!....NOT 1 time, has suri been on a film set with tom either, and yet, when tom and katie were together she regularly was seen on film sets and videoed and photographed as well..

put 2 and 2 together please!...

I've never thought Cruise was gay. I think he is A - as in, asexual. It happens. Not everyone is sexually motivated or even inclined.

If she is Tom and Katie's kid she must be a scientologist and definitely has herps.

[Quote]It hasn't seemed to hurt his career.

I think people already know he's a weird freak and they do not seem to care. Anyone at this point knows he's a cultist, horrible husband, deadbeat father and they're willingly supporting him anyway. I haven't watched a Tom Cruise movie in years. It also helps that he only does Mission Impossible sequels and hasn't had a significant movie role in years.

[Quote]not only nothing with him with suri, but no photo or video by anyone even of him arriving or leaving where Suri would be...

To be fair, I haven't seen pictures of Brad Pitt with any of his children since he split from Jolie. I think all of his adopted children don't want any contact, but he regularly sees the bio kids. They separated in 2016 so we haven't seen pictures of Pitt with his kids for almost 6 years.

Suri is a 15 yo teenager now. I'm sure if she really wanted to see him, she could easily ask to change custody arrangements. She was still very young when they separated, but she probably doesn't care.

[quote]NOT ONE TIME, has there been a photo of suri with tom in years, NOT by the paparazzi, not by a average joe in the right place at the right time, not by a professional photographer with said camera, not anyone with a cell phone camera, no video as well! FOR YEARS! What tom sneaks in to see suri, invisible?

And you've never seen pictures of Jamie Foxx with Suri and he dated Katie Holmes from 2013 to 2019, long enough to be around the two of them in public. Then again you can count the times people saw Jamie and Katie together on less than five fingers.

You don't think a pap would have loved to have captured that!?

Point is, if celebs don't want to be photographed then it's very possible to not be photographed.

While I don't think Tom sees Suri, not having photos of it isn't the reason why I think that. It's everything else that has been said by people around the situation. Even if most of them were lying or making up stories there are just too many.

OP how long since u have seen your tiny penis with that big fupa in the way?

R229, but would asexuality alone have been enough to drive TC so deep into Scientology?

The thing I gather about Leah Remini and her ongoing duel with Scientology is that she must have lived a clean, morally centered life for them to have gathered no dirt they can use to destroy her. Perhaps because she required so little intervention from them is why her "suppressiveness" went under the radar.

I think this was one of the last times they were photographed in public together. In August 2012, just one month after Holmes filed for divorce.

I think there was one more meeting after this in NYC, where Cruise was accused of behaving recklessly by having his minder drive at very high speed through the streets to take Suri to a waiting helicopter.

Suri does look as if she's having fun at the water playground, but she does look scared as she is taken out of the car and into that helicopter.

Well, she’ll always have a job in theater in productions of Oklahoma if she’s willing to have bangs, but no girl looks good with bangs.

Brad also hasn’t been pictured with his children for 6 years.

For all of you cruise apologist let's delve deeper shall we in comparison to brad pitt..

1) does brad pitt belong to a cult that has a "disconnection policy"?

2) did brad pit under oath in a lawsuit testify that he hadn't seen his daughter in over 4 months and counting and that was years ago (like cruise did)...

3) does brad pitt have one kid show up on a film set while he's filming, and out and about and YET, doesn't do the same for another child, who the ONLY difference just happens to be that one child is in the same "religion" as he is and the other one isn't, Not to mention when married, had no problem parading that one child anywhere and everywhere to be filmed and photographed but since the divorce only a month or so seen and nothing absolutely nothing since then?

4) not sure, but did brad pitt not only not get full custody, but didn't even fight for half custody, when presumably he would have all the money and power and a big difference in these things (ala tom vs katie)?

5) cruise is forever working working working for the past 10 years now.. pre-production, production, post-production, back to back films for years now, when would he have time to visit Suri? Or why not Suri visit him on a set?

HE DOESN'T SEE HER... because of his cult and because he is the number #1 public face of it, he (along with the lesser celebrities) gets to break any and all rules.. he doesn't see her, because he wants to show and PROVE to the leader, his best friend, (which in itself is plainly wrong!) just how dedicated a scientologist he is by WILLFULLY not seeing his own flesh and blood, the approval of his "friend", the leader, another man is MORE important than Suri... TRUTH!..

in another points, there WERE photos of katie and jamie foxx out and about, so i'm not sure what the one poster is talking about..

and as far as Leah Remini, she spilled the beans BEFORE scientology came after her, knowing that they would try to tell the world her disgressions, which she freely admits and even then they STILL and STILL DO come after her,.. (washed up has been , can't get work, liar, hypocrite, bigot, etc)..

[quote]OP how long since u have seen your tiny penis with that big fupa in the way?

Oh, it's been a long time, but your mother can describe it to me perfectly.

Katie's wearing Jonathan Anderson shoes

Geez, R238, take a chill pill. It isn’t that serious.

R241.. R238 here..... sorry if i'm passionate about what I know.... I'll always err on this side as opposed to apathy...

Good riddance to bad fathers. An ambivalent or indifferent parent can fuck you up much longer than one that occasionally loses their shit and smacks you.

At least he pays for her upbringing. In my world, men fuck off to wherever for years, leave kids and mom to rot in the gutter, then show up when the kids are adults trying to fucking lie out their asses that "mom was the bad guy" and "mom was the reason we had no relationship".

Because they want kids suddenly when realization dawns that mortality looks and those kids will likely be their only legacy.

Ghettoes are full of this story, sadly lacking $400k per annum.

The point is that if Tom did see Suri, even once in a while, he would make sure there were clear pictures in the press so the bad father stories would stop. He doesn't do that because he can't: He hasn't seen her in years and will never see her unless she converts to Scientology as an adult.

Scientology is no different than more established religions . You can be very normal and enjoy being in cult or religion.

R245.. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....

R234, that was the kidnapping attempt. After that he never saw her again.

What’s even more interesting is that after the whole Katie Holmes debacle, he pretty much gave up all these arrange relationships. Overall, he’s just been very low-key and it seems like he’s mainly lived in England for years.

Katie Holmes career didn’t take off at all from the relationship. It was actually destroyed by it. His influence wasn’t as great at the time. Nicole Kidman got him at the ultimate peak of his success, which she greatly benefited from.

Honestly, I don't think Katie cares much about the career thing. I think she auditions and works when she wants. She's set for life.

Katie got tons of publicity and has a child who will be famous too . We would not even remember Katie if not for her connection to cruise.

Bela Lugosi was OK looking as a young man

I would love to read a bio of Tom Cruise, but the whole truth won’t come out until he’s dead and all the big Scientology are as well.

There was a weird rumour years ago that his "adopted" son Connor is really his secret bio son or the son of a former male lover.

R194 Eew, what on earth. Has he had an accident or are these teeth that way naturally?

I think if Katie were more ambitious she could find steady work on a TV series, but that might mean leaving her home in NYC, with Suri. Her feature film days are long behind her (such as they were). Or she could attempt to work in theatre. But I get the impression she's pretty content with the state of her life.

No shame in that.

I'm not attracted to Suri at all . I thought 15 was the hottest age for females.

A hockey puck chipped Tom's tooth when he was young. Scroll down to see how his teeth looked in The Outsiders. For the movie, Tom had taken off the cap that covered his chipped tooth.

Nicole kidman and her adopted kids with Tom have been estranged for years because they chose scientology and she did not.

Katie seems to have focused on being a good parent to Suri, probably realizing the girl would need extra support after being abandoned by her father and witnessing her parents' divorce. Good call on her part: Suri isn't covered in tats and letting it all hang out on Instagram like some celebrity offspring.

[quote]The point is that if Tom did see Suri, even once in a while, he would make sure there were clear pictures in the press so the bad father stories would stop.

Yeah, I don't think Katie or Suri would like that.

Not that I think he sees her, but if she ever did see him, I don't think either would want it used for publicity.

Suri is 15 but I doubt she's stupid. (And Katie has said as much a few times when discussing her.)

I looked at Katie's IMDb page. Since the divorce, she's worked on one to three productions a year, with gaps of a year occasionally. The last is listed is an untitled in 2022.

Suri is now the perfect age to play Joey on Dawson's Creek and I am apparently an old person.

If Suri is smart, she'll stay far away from show business. She'll never live up to her father's career and his weirdness.

Suri is all grown up and nobody, truly gives a fuck.

Bump

Papa Can You Hear Me?

Cruise seems to stay away from The View and women's talk shows nowadays (does he do late night ones?)

they'd have to ask why he abandoned his child

Are they going to see Top Gun: Maverick this weekend?

Katie Holmes never remarried after Tom. Hmmmmm.

Siri is close to her papa Chris Klein.

R268 I bet all of Suri‘s friends are already talking about Top Gun Maverick. Will Katie let her go?