Let’s face it. Nuclear war is coming

Boise

Sweetie. There's no safe space. Make sure you take a direct hit is my suggestion. Haven't you seen or read The Road?

OP is the MARY!!!!!!iest MARY!!!!!! who ever MARY!!!!!!!ed

Nowhere, OP! My laser-guided missiles are trained on you specifically!

No, OP. Quit the hysterics or trolling.

The basement in your parents' house. You know, where you are right now.

Putin is not interested in suicide.

OP is correct. I have been having dreams about this. I think it will not be an all-out "end of the world" event, but a tactical burst that will leave some parts of Europe uninhabitable. It will start quickly and end within an hour as countries around the world plead with the countries involved to stop. Then things get very interesting and the world economy tanks.

St. Olaf, Rose

[quote]OP is correct. I have been having dreams about this. I

r8 = Miss Cleo

Who wants to survive a nuclear war? I'm with R2, praying for instant vaporization.

Take your Xanax OP and maybe a nap.

The safest place to be is locked in Trump's golden palace. Pootie won't hurt his bestie like that.

Hiding behind President Plum's fat ass might work.

*President Plump

Read Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank. It's a novel that tries to realistically imagine live after an all-out nuclear war. You'll have trouble sleeping afterward...

I've decided to take the plunge and hire an escort so that I can have sex just once before I evaporate.

Some troll is talking about dreams? A co-worker came in said he was dreaming of parachutes dropping like Red Dawn. I just laughed at him.

Pootie is not besties with Dump. He merely used him like a puppet and useful idiot.

Thank you R11. Perhaps we have a lot Walking Dead fans on here. Pray for a direct hit.

A ceasefire and some diplomacy would be nice right about now.

Make it the Nestea Plunge R17.

Hopefully wherever I'm at. Like others have said, I'd rather be at ground zero than deal with the aftermath. But then, I shouldn't say that as my neighbors might wish to survive.

OP find some cockroaches, they survive everything.

Good information about why nuclear war is very unlikely in the Ukraine conflict

He's probably yukking it up watching "Two Broke Girls" with with his latest ho girlfriend. I don't know why people think he's sad. So far, aside from some Ukrainians popping off BB guns, everything has gone like clockwork. No one can interfere because Ukraine isn't in NATO. And more occupiers are coming.

And the world will say, "Okay, okay- we know he's a vicious brat. But let's take a deep breath. We'll put him in The Quiet Room to think about what he's done. He has to apologize. And we'll just move on, and we'll pretend it was all just a bad dream. Because we all just have to get along. Now join hands and sing kum-ba-yah".

Sure Boris R25. Keep outing yourselves so I can FF and block.

^^ take your meds

It wouldn’t surprise me

I really don’t give a shit.

[quote] OP is correct. I have been having dreams about this.

Yes this is true. I mean just the other night I had a dream that Gene Rayburn was spreading peanut butter all over my body with a spatula. So, yeah! Of course!

Under a desk at your nearest elementary school.

Gene Rayburn you Trollope

Will suck and cover really work?

Besides cockroaches and Cher, there would be pockets of survivors, perhaps with some weird mutation that made them immune to the fallout. Then they would re-populate the earth.

All of this nuclear war talk is reminding me of my childhood.

R17 A man with a plan!

"And the only safe place to live, is on an Indian Reservation!"

- the Temptations

I'm not so worried about that actual bomb here in Central Arizona, but more about the millions of people fleeing here from Phoenix.

I myself, welcome our new incinerating warlord atoms. Humans have had a better run than we deserve.

The only thing is, a nuclear flame-out would take a lot of innocent animals and plant life, too, yet another reason we should be condemned to Hell.

This thread inspired me to order a copy of Alas, Babylon from the library!!!

Bring it -- fuck this world.

On the beach.

Just a reminder that Alas. Babylon was written when nukes were pretty rudimentary compared to the insane tech they have now. The electro-magnetic charges will render every vehicle utterly useless. Even if you're far enough away to escape the initial blast, the ground tremors would be so intense that your insides would turn into liquid. The entire world will die.

Enjoy the book!

The Mariana Trench

Boy Putin's face is so potato-like now! Like dumpling dough!

r43 MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you mean the whole world will die, R43?

Wouldn't it have been easier for Belarus just to fake a referendum merging with Russia? That's what the president really wants anyway.

If it happens, we'll only have a few moments' notice, and I wonder of our government will tell us given the panic, hysteria and mayhem we'd have for 8 or 10 minutes depending on where you are in the country, followed by mass death and destruction I don't want to imagine. I, too, hope that I'd be close enough to die instantly. The thought of what I would do if the announcement came haunts me. I don't know; probably collect my husband and dog, and get stoned.

That said, Vlad knows its mutually assured destruction. There won't be time to debate whether or not to launch. That's part of why the nuclear football is within feet of the president at all times. Everything Vlad values would be gone. There is no point .

I need to stop reading posts like r50 before bed

[quote] Everything Vlad values would be gone.

Except for the misery and terror experienced by billions of other people, which he probably values above everything else.

So are we all going to die?

I bought a flat of water bottles, chicken noodle soup, iodine and potassium pills. A first aid kit.

... I feel a little bit better.

R54 Potassium pills? For what? You should have bought a cyanide capsule instead.

No, r53, we're all going past the Russell Hotel to the Heaviside Layer.

Even if you survive the blasts, there are other ways nuclear fallout can get you.

What good is that going to do, R54? Have you read about the bombs Putin has? They liquify your insides.

R58, I read all about what to do when Trump became president. I have a plan based on my closest major metro area being hit (DC). Given wind patterns and distance, radiation would be my major issue. I would essentially have to stay in the windowless basement without contact to the "surface world" for at least 48 hours-week after the initial blast.

The iodine and potassium help with radiation, they block its absorption in your thyroid.

And this is of course speculative. But it's good to have ANY plan.

(I also don't think he can hit us... but you never know.)

There had better be Datalounge in the afterlife.

Current Headlines: Putin Puts Nuclear Forces On Alert

This may be the last thread on DL!!

Putin Declares Nuclear Alert; Biden seeks deescalation.

OH SHIT!

OMG. Should I go buy some cigarettes?

Dafuq is up with Vlad?!! Damn...

Wear all white and nothing with patterns...not for fashion sake...all white will protect, well if you don't collapse into a pile of charred bones, that is, just sayin...look it up

[quote]There had better be Datalounge in the afterlife.

Oh Honey, of course there is. What would Hell be without it?

We're already in hell. The only way from here is up!

God damn it I just spent a week cleaning my grout.

Lunatics yelling in the streets!

It’s the end of the world! Yes!

City on fire!

Duck & cover.

[quote]No, [R53], we're all going past the Russell Hotel to the Heaviside Layer.

My first jellicle was a fallout shelter jellicle. I named it Bootsie Bombdrops.

R67 Someone needs to create a Nuclear War playlist thread!!

Smiling and waving and looking so fine,

I don't think you knew you were in this song.

Somebody needs to insert this gem

[quote]Will suck and cover really work?

It's never failed me yet.

Go fuck yourself OP.

....

R77, that will help relax you.

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Atomic Dog

No One Puts R82 in a Corner.

If they push that button, your ass got to go.

R59 In all honesty, what is the goal of surviving a nuclear war? Do you think you'd be at the head of recreating civilization or something?

R17 please hire an escort anyway. I will contribute if you set up a gofund me. Really.

I’m not ready to go yet

Neither am I, R86, but if it happens, so be it. I don't want to die just yet, but I also don't want to survive a nuclear blast. I took tomorrow off work, just in case the worst happens.

I like my co workers and want to fuck one so at least I’ll die kind of happy

My building is so old here in NY, that we still have fallout shelter signs.

R87, you took tomorrow off for nuclear war? Is there a code of that on your time sheet?

I'm with you OP.

Putin cannot afford to lose. He will take the nuclear option if backed into a corner. If he loses this war, he loses his rule. He loses Russia.

There is no safe place in the event of a nuclear war. Nuclear war cannot be localized.

Read Jonathan Schells The Fate of the Earth.

Food for thought... @RestonDad · 4h

22 years of Putin grift; over 30 years since last Russian nuclear test. Do ya really think Putin didn't grift on the upkeep of nukes? Seems likely a lot of nuke $ ended up in oligarchs' (now frozen?) bank accounts Less worried about end of life as we know it than in '62 (I was 3)

The best place to be during a nuke war is ground zero. They say in a nuke war the living will envy the dead. Well, on the bright side maybe nuclear winter will end climate change. (just kidding, there is no bright side)

R90 P for punk ass?

It's morning and I'm still alive, bitches!

No, R90, I just took a personal day.

Let’s face it - wiping out humanity wouldn’t necessarily be the worst thing for humanity…

Some of you are clearly rapid-cycling your manic-depression.

[quote]The best place to be during a nuke war is ground zero.

First dibs on ground zero!

r98, fuck off

My 23 year old niece has called me several times already, anxious about being invaded. I’m like, we live in Bumfucke Canada - there’s only redneck convoys coming for us here. But seriously, I’d imagine there are a lot of people her age who’ve been instilled with anxiety from birth over everything who need constant reassurance. It’s exhausting.

I was down by the riverside beating the few pieces of clothing I had against A rock when one of the villagers came running while screaming "NUCLEAR WAR!! THEY'RE GONNA DROP THE BOMBS!!" I said to self "Meh, such is life" and I went back to my laundry.

R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

War is chaos. Nuclear war could definitely happen, if only by accident or mistake. Ever see Fail-Safe?

R24 This may be true but cavalierly threatening it should not go unpunished. What will happen to Putin if and when this deescalates?

If anything were to happen I'd like to be at home with my dog.

I want to be on DL with all the Ruski Trollskis.

[quote]My 23 year old niece has called me several times already, anxious about being invaded. I’m like, we live in Bumfucke Canada - there’s only redneck convoys coming for us here. But seriously, I’d imagine there are a lot of people her age who’ve been instilled with anxiety from birth over everything who need constant reassurance. It’s exhausting.

But Sarah Palin can see Russia from her front porch. You in danger, Canadian gurls! An amphibious land assault from the west!!

I hope it never happens but the best place to be if one wants to survive would be rural areas away from major cities. Being deep in the Appalachian or Rocky Mountains would probably be good. Sadly, I live in a small town next to one of the US’s biggest nuclear facilities, we have known we are on Russia’s strike list going back to the Cold War.

An explosion in Kviv

There is no safe place.

Worry about something you can control.

Did you know there is a phone number you can call to check your zip code?

Has Roxanne Gay weighed in? She must be so exhausted!

I hope there's another hot Vasili Arkhipov out there somewhere.

Or Enola Gay, r114?

This thread too funny. No nuclear war

MSN Poll

In your opinion, how likely or unlikely is it that Russia's invasion of Ukraine will escalate to a nuclear crisis?

Somewhat likely = 24%

Highly likely = 7%

Somewhat unlikely = 29%

Highly unlikely = 38%

Other / No opinion = 2%

Based on 7,615 responses. Snapshot of real-time results.

Take your cyanide pill now, OP. You will feel better. Go into dat light, cunt.

Mar-a-Lago. Pootin want target there.

R101 By Russia? The U.S.? Where is she getting that from, if you don't mind me asking?

won't

[quote]Has Roxanne Gay weighed in?

Yes. At around 387.

R120 Putin want target U.S. of A! Putin drop bomb to make destruction of Great Satan! Satan Missile!

Oh, Dwight, I’m so frightened…

Unlike Ukraine, the US didn't dispose of its nuclear arsenal.

If I'm not mistaken, at all times, we have nuclear submarines travelling the globe's oceans so we can send them to strike whenever we want to - and definitely if we've taken an incoming nuke, I think the military would be pretty quick to retaliate in order to deter Russia (or whoever it was that bombed us) from sending yet more nukes to our country.

This may even be true if any of our NATO allies were nuked (or allies of any type?)

I'm not in the military, but if that's not the purpose of the damned things, then what is?

Can't we do nuclear war next week?

I have a date on Friday.

Let’s face it. Blanche and Rose are limited.

Cold Cunt

MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If there is a nuclear war, as opposed to a single bomb dropped (by Russia), then our future is going to be like Mad Max and every other post-apocalypse movie.

The bombs will cause EMPs which will fry electronics, food supply lines will be crippled, and there will be wholesale chaos and riots over food and water (which will be largely contaminated).

It could take decades, if even that, for things to return to some semblance of normal, all the while you will be living in squalid conditions and scrambling around like a cockroach to eke out a meagre existence.

Don't be fooled. "Limited" nuclear war doesn't exist. The ONLY way it would be limited is if the sane countries decide NOT to retaliate at all. In which case, we'd all have to bow down to our Russian overlords, like Faux News and many rethugs on their payroll already do.

Bowing down's not in the program, Yuri.

[quote] In which case, we'd all have to bow down to our Russian overlords, like Faux News and many rethugs on their payroll already do.

Too many on the right are taking Russia's side, that is true. But, don't forget about the Democratic Socialists of America, an organization that includes AOC. Sorry the link is to the NY Post it is the only free one I could find.

Your bomb is massive, Putin.

Fuck a nuke, we'll pull the Death Star out on that ass!

Dyatlov right?

Fuck you and your stink link, Natasha R133; nobody asked you to "find" and post right wing propaganda.

R137 It isn't right wing propaganda. Here is a link to the actual statement put out by the DSA. I would just prefer to not give them clicks. It is not my fault that the wider media has not picked it up.

While they say nice things about standing with the working classes of Ukraine and Russia, and wanting to find a diplomatic solution. Their position of...

[quote] DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict.

...would be, in effect, giving Putin exactly what he wants. It is leftist isolationism. Just like many people remember the far-right America First isolationists in the run up to WWII, but many do not remember that the far left in the US were also not anti-Nazi until the Nazis broke the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.

An opinion piece from today's very left-wing The Guardian:

"It has long been clear that Nato expansion would lead to tragedy. We are now paying the price for the US’s arrogance".

Do the Russian have nuclear weapons capable of reaching North America?

R140 yes they can reach us. they are long-range ballistic missiles same as ours. I'm not sure they have been maintained but they can reach us.

They have nuclear submarines like we do.

So if he sent one to the middle of the continent, what would that mean? Would it blast from coast to coast or does it have a smaller fallout?

Shit - I used to donate $5 a month to the Guardian and have read it, off and on, since the 1990s. I stopped the donation today.

No 143 it would take a whole lot of nukes to kill the nation. Chernobyl didn't kill all of Ukraine. And now life is coming back to Chernobyl. wolves and birds and all other life so a nuke war will not kill off everyone or won't kill all of life. life will come back.

Does he have enough nukes to kill us all, R145?

And it would only take one nuke R143 it would only hurt the region but if they hit us with a nuke we will obliterate Russia. Putin would have to be completely crazy and isolated to do something as crazy as nuking us. He would probably just nuke ukraine. He isn't stupid enough to hit us. His generals would probably stop it anyway.

R146 Well, he has more than we do.

Hey psy ops (or whom it might concern): Putin's holed up in the Urals with his oligarchs. Head the nukes that way.

Between Dolly Parton’s breasts.

"Mar-a-Lago. Pootin want target there."

Nyet, nyet, nyet... The Donald too much valuable asset. He weel do vot ve say.

DJT says Putin for VP in 2024! And we'll let him run the Russia Empire as a side gig - lotsa hot gals there with pussies to grab.

Hey wait... I read Putin was in the Urals so the oligarchs couldn't flee. Maybe it's because it's safer in the mountains when the nuclear fallout comes? Down in a cave or something.

"it is important to consider the effects of high-yield nuclear explosions on the ozone layer. The nuclear fireball and the air entrained within it are subjected to great heat, followed by relatively rapid cooling. These conditions are ideal for the production of tremendous amounts of nitric oxide from the air. It has been estimated that as much as 5,000 tons of nitric oxide is produced for each megaton of nuclear explosive power.

What would be the effects of nitric oxides driven into the stratosphere by an all-out nuclear war, involving the detonation of 10,000 megatons of explosive force in the northern hemisphere? According to the recent National Academy of Sciences study, the nitric oxide produced by the weapons could reduce the ozone levels in the northern hemisphere by as much as 30 to 70 percent.

To begin with, a depleted ozone layer would reflect back to the earth's surface less heat than would normally be the case, thus causing a drop in temperature--perhaps enough to produce serious effects on agriculture. Other changes, such as increased amounts of dust or different vegetation, might subsequently reverse this drop in temperature--but on the other hand, it might increase it.

Probably more important, life on earth has largely evolved within the protective ozone shield and is presently adapted rather precisely to the amount of solar ultraviolet which does get through. To defend themselves against this low level of ultraviolet, evolved external shielding (feathers, fur, cuticular waxes on fruit), internal shielding (melanin pigment in human skin, flavenoids in plant tissue), avoidance strategies (plankton migration to greater depths in the daytime, shade-seeking by desert iguanas) and, in almost all organisms but placental mammals, elaborate mechanisms to repair photochemical damage.

It is possible, however, that a major increase in solar ultraviolet might overwhelm the defenses of some and perhaps many terrestrial life forms. Both direct and indirect damage would then occur among the bacteria, insects, plants, and other links in the ecosystems on which human well-being depends. This disruption, particularly if it occurred in the aftermath of a major war involving many other dislocations, could pose a serious additional threat to the recovery of postwar society."

^ there is also the specter of a nuclear winter.

[quote]Do the Russian have nuclear weapons capable of reaching North America?

I've read this question numerous times on related DL threads. Are some of you so fucking dumb you have no concept of history before 2010? Words, acronyms, and phrases like: The Cold War, USSR, and ICBMs have no meaning to you?

If Putin attacks Dolly Parton's breasts, it's on!

R155, she scares me more than Putin.

The OP reminds me of some guy I knew, college age, in the 80s, who thought the world was going to end soon. I asked why he didn't just commit suicide if that's what he thought. He said oh no, he didn't want to commit suicide. But he thought the world was going to end soon. I remember thinking "what an asshole." I don't know what became of him. I think some campus Christians got a hold of him and he became a Christian. He mind was rather soft, so I guess he was pliable.

Nuclear War is not coming. But Putin will keep it edging.

Yes, MARY!, R156, I've heard of all those things. Sorry I haven't kept up with the nuclear capacities of Russia since the fall of the USSR.

R159 Depending upon the sect, he was probably the easiest convert they ever had. If he was already convinced the world was ending they just had to give him a copy of the Book of Revelations or those Left Behind books and he would be hooked.

Even though I am religious, the reason I wouldn't commit suicide if I knew the world was ending is because if it is going to end I might as well experience it. If I'm dead, I'm dead. If there is an afterlife I won't care about the world ending and if there isn't it won't matter.

R161 you just prove the point. The USSR had the capability to strike anywhere on Earth long before it fell. ICBM's have been around since the 1950s.

Okay, R164, but sometimes you hear people talking about whether or not a country really has long range capable nukes, how many they have etc...that's why I asked.

R164 I've learned over the last few days that many regular people assumed that the world had done, what I always knew they hadn't but should have. Many were like, didn't we destroy their nukes when we won the Cold War?

.....

Earth, can I have your stuff?

A lot of people are young and don't even remember the fall of the wall much less all the talk of ICBMs. I was born in 1950 and remember the duck and cover drills. My dad told me if a nuke hit us the desk would not in any way protect me then proceeded to explain what nukes do. My childhood was terrifying because the adults were always talking about it. In 1960 Khrushchev was pounding on a table and screaming at people and I got really scared. in 1962 we had the missile crisis I was only 12 and people were panic buying and really scared. After the fall of the soviet union, people forgot about a lot of that or were not around thru the cold war.

[quote] After the fall of the soviet union, people forgot about a lot of that or were not around thru the cold war.

So.... there's these things called "books...."

R169 We still had nuclear duck and cover drills at my schools in the 1990s but that might have been because we have a nuclear facility close by. I don't know why they didn't just call them Earthquake drills, because they had us do the same thing. But, they made us do both several times a year.

Should I buy 🧻 now before the madness starts?

Why didn’t we destroy their nukes? Also this went really poorly for Russia during the Cold War. I think they’re mostly too drunk to successfully take over the world. Plus there Krokodil now.

Russia shouldn't be allowed to have nukes.

Interesting article in Politico with Fiona Hill - wtf are "hypersonic missiles" (that Putin warned Trump about but we don't have them yet)?

Fiona Hill: Basically, what President Putin has said quite explicitly in recent days is that if anybody interferes in Ukraine, they will be met with a response that they’ve “never had in [their] history.” And he has put Russia’s nuclear forces on high alert. So he’s making it very clear that nuclear is on the table.

Putin tried to warn Trump about this, but I don’t think Trump figured out what he was saying. In one of the last meetings between Putin and Trump when I was there, Putin was making the point that: “Well you know, Donald, we have these hypersonic missiles.” And Trump was saying, “Well, we will get them too.” Putin was saying, “Well, yes, you will get them eventually, but we’ve got them first.” There was a menace in this exchange. Putin was putting us on notice that if push came to shove in some confrontational environment that the nuclear option would be on the table….

Unfortunately, we have politicians and public figures in the United States and around Europe who have embraced the idea that Russia was wronged by NATO and that Putin is a strong, powerful man and has the right to do what he’s doing…

So sadly, we are treading back through old historical patterns that we said that we would never permit to happen again. The other thing to think about in this larger historic context is how much the German business community helped facilitate the rise of Hitler. Right now, everyone who has been doing business in Russia or buying Russian gas and oil has contributed to Putin’s war chest. Our investments are not just boosting business profits, or Russia’s sovereign wealth funds and its longer-term development. They now are literally the fuel for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine...

Mao said “the atomic bomb is just a paper tiger” because no one will ever use them for fear of reprisal. The US didn’t use them when we were getting smacked in Vietnam and the Soviet Union didn’t use them when they were getting embarrassed in Afghanistan.

R176 Yes, because as terrible as the Soviets were, they were rational human beings. That is why mutually assured destruction was actually a working deterrent with them. Putin isn't rational and is partly on a religious quest.(Kyiv is where both the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian state claim they were founded.) You can see it in the eyes of some of his generals and others, they are fucking scared to death to oppose him but they know he is bonkers. He is a fucking Bond villain come to life crossed with Hitler. He is following the same basic plan without rounding up the Jews. Take a little land here, then there, then a whole other country, then it will be more countries, until he takes one that we have to defend and then what will we do?

"Now I am become Death, destroyer of worlds."

Thanks a fucking lot, Oppenheimer.

R165 It was actually a really sharp question, the nuclear capabilities a country actually have never come close to matching what they claim to have. Nukes are all about intimidation and mind games. Dropping actual physical bombs? No.

Now it's being questioned that if weapons that are being delivered to Ukraine are attacked by Russia would it be considered an attack on NATO.

"Atomic bombs are meant to frighten those with weak nerves."

I watched a Ted Talk on nuclear wars.

I shouldn’t have watched the Ted Talk on nuclear wars.

[quote]Okay, [R164], but sometimes you hear people talking about whether or not a country really has long range capable nukes, how many they have etc...that's why I asked.

You need to listen to less stupid people.

On the bright side…

Anthony Edwards and Mare Winningham found each other again! 💕

My father worked on highly classified American defense projects for several decades, developing and programming weapons.

When I was a child, it was a popular rumor that where he worked was on the USSR nuclear target list. We lived a few towns over, so it scared the hell out of me.

My father sat down with my siblings and a map, drawing out where the bomb would hit, concentric circles of varying distances, and how those outlying regions would be affected. He assured us that by the time we felt the heat from the blast, it would all be over.

He's never been the kind of guy to blow smoke up a person's ass to make them feel better.

On the flip side, I've seen the mental anguish he feels over the work he's done, and know it's a heavy weight to carry.

Well MY dad had a reason to know, and he told us to never panic about being bombed by nuclear weapons because it can't actually happen the way it's depicted in media- T.V. isn't real. He's always been right so far.

I saw the Day After and had to be comforted.

[quote]My father sat down with my siblings and a map, drawing out where the bomb would hit, concentric circles of varying distances, and how those outlying regions would be affected. He assured us that by the time we felt the heat from the blast, it would all be over.

I guess that would break the ice at parties.

R187 I think that sounds like someone psychologically torturing his own children.

The Philadelphia Inquirer, now long gone, published a speculative fictional story about what would happen if our city was struck by nuclear weapons. The description of the destruction of popular landmarks was scary to my preteen brain.

If Putin were to lob a nuke at the USA it would likely be aimed at Washington DC.

Why not NYC, r190?

Actually the Philly Inquirer is still around and is the main newspaper there. You may be thinking of the Bulletin, which closed in the early 80s.

R191 I would think R190 thinks that Putin would want to wipe out as much of the government’s leaders in one go. It is a sound assumption.

R182 what’s the name of the TED talk

I wonder if it's Putin's idea or if he is just following orders? The invasion of Ukraine seems so suicidal for Russia you have to wonder about the logic.

Maybe Putin is physically sick/terminally ill and don't give a fuck anymore.

EU has failed Ukraine. NATO has failed Ukraine. US too of course, but it is irrelevant in this case.

You all get off on this, don't you?

R192 is correct. It was the Bulletin. something out of the Sunday Supplement.

"You all get off on this, don't you?"

LGBTQ people are sensitive to human rights violations all over the world. If you don't resist, the Powers That Be will erase you.

They are doing remakes of everything, why not a remake of The Day After?

Don't pick the daisies, OP!!!

Yeah, it’s been coming for about 70 years now. I remember seeing those scary black and yellow fallout shelter signs on older buildings. Another good reason not to worship assholes like Putin and Trump whose wizzled peters engorge at the thought of mass death.

"I WILL NOT have anyone dropping nuclear bombs on anyone! I shall call that Philistine in Russia on my slimline telephone with automatic redial to admonish him forthwith!"

I don't see it happening unless Europe does something incredibly stupid like massing their military and traveling east. That would certainly provoke Putin and it would be game over.

I live on the west coast; a Russian nuclear strike would most likely obliterate us first, thankfully.

He won't do it. Mutually Assured Destruction and all.

Putin is The Last Soviet.

What if a nuclear bomb hits NYC

The Day After is for pishers. Try Threads.

[Quote] Mutually Assured Destruction and all.

That's when TWO or more nuclear powers engage in a nuclear war.

After COVID, I almost feel ... numb to the nuclear threat.

[quote]It was actually a really sharp question, the nuclear capabilities a country actually have never come close to matching what they claim to have. Nukes are all about intimidation and mind games.

So kind of like internet inches?

[quote]If Putin were to lob a nuke at the USA it would likely be aimed at Washington DC. —Anonymous

[quote]Why not NYC, [R190]?

Me, me, me. They even want bragging rights over nuclear destruction.

Honestly, New Yorkers are the Meghan Markle of cities.

You sound tedious, r215.

Poor booby. ^

Feeling so much free-floating anxiety today. Might as well blame it on the nuclear threat, real or imagined.

[quote]I live on the west coast; a Russian nuclear strike would most likely obliterate us first, thankfully.

You may be right but that surprises me. A Canadian friend of mine (from Winnipeg) complained to me once that the Russian nukes headed to the US would like go over Canada (over the Arctic Circle?)

I assume they'd want to either immediately take out the White House, Capitol and Pentagon - and then the military bases, especially any that have to do with nuclear sub navigation or that sort of thing. Well, defense facilities, in any case. Maybe then, nuclear power stations?

I never heard they'd try to take out the Pacific West Coast - maybe Pendleton?

Allegedly Russia’s “Poseidon” bomb could take out an entire seaboard. A map showing a New York harbor detonation also shows fall out stretching down into Florida.

War...war never changes.

Think I should buy some potassium iodide pills just in case….pets can take them too!

Oh I forgot about that. I bet there's a run of potassium iodide pills now - and soon they'll be as rare as toilet paper was in early covid.

He won't launch a nuke. First of all, he hasn't really put them on alert. He is just lying. our spys say he hasn't don't what he said he did with the nukes. He thinks if he threatens it Ukraine will surrender but that is not working. I believe his generals will not launch a nuke, they know the consequences.

I can't wait until all the the boomers are gone so the nuclear war ages can be over.

R194 - this one…

People, people. Putin said he'd invade Ukraine and y'all said he wouldn't. Y'all had talks with him as he moved troops to the border. Y'all said they're was no need for Ukraine to join NATO. Then see what happened.

Y'all should listen to him this time.

[quote]I can't wait until all the the boomers are gone so the nuclear war ages can be over.

Are you really this fucking stupid? Nuclear weapons were developed by scientists most from the Jazz Age under the direction of people from Roosevelt's generation. They were built up by the Greatest Generation and the Silent Generation. They've been under the command of Boomers since 1992 and thus far, none have been deployed. So go fuck yourself.

As for nuclear war, it's not happening. One, I'm not sure all this talk of Putin being isolated and "off" is real. Think about it...Marco Rubio is tweeting about it. Is there any reason on God's good earth to believe him about anything. Yet, he is perfect for the Russians to use to spread disinformation, whether he knows it or not. It could very well be a ploy to scare off the NATO allies (and the rest of the world). "See, Putin really is crazy!"

Two, Putin doesn't actually have his finger on a button. He has to order a nuclear strike. And as much as we like to portray Russia as the "big bad' (and the country does really suck), Russians, even their military, love their families and cherish their lives. They'll follow him into a Ukrainian invasion but firing nukes is a bridge too far. They'll kill him first. IMHO.

Although, in fairness, R228, when her generation is in control the risk does presumably decrease, because absolutely nothing will get done. From detente to the cold war and on to whiny lethargy.

R229, possibly. OTOH, the reverse could be true. Their whiny lethargy could result in increased risk of nuclear war.

Putin has repeatedly made it clear that using nuclear weapons was a real possibility, well before he put Russia’s nuclear forces on high alert, but Hill said former president Donald Trump apparently failed to recognize the gravity of his warnings.

None of this means the people who are ordered to push the buttons would actually do it.

Why hasn’t that stalked convoy been bombed?

My question as well, R233. They appear to be sitting ducks. Take out the first few to clog the roads and then see if the rest of them wait around to get bombed.

Quick, get me Zelensky on the phone.

[quote] None of this means the people who are ordered to push the buttons would actually do it.

I wonder if guns being held to their heads helps them decide to push those buttons.

Putin has said he put the nukes on alert but he hasn't put them on alert. It's just an empty threat.

[quote] One, I'm not sure all this talk of Putin being isolated and "off" is real. Think about it...Marco Rubio is tweeting about it. Is there any reason on God's good earth to believe him about anything.

Rubio is the ranking member of the Select Committee on Intelligence. So he does receive very high level briefings from the CIA and others. The talk about Putin being crazy or off has been circulating for a few years. I don't see it being Russian disinformation because their propaganda about Putin is always about how wonderful he is, I don't think he would want people to think he is crazy. Also, that makes him more of a target not less. The last thing any one wants is a crazy person with nuclear weapons. The thought is as long as the person isn't crazy diplomacy might work.

[quote]The thought is as long as the person isn't crazy diplomacy might work.

That's one way to look at it. The other way is "let's not provoke that crazy sumbitch. He'll really do it."

I'm certainly aware that Rubio is the ranking member of the Select Committee on Intelligence. Has that stopped him or any other Republican from either lying or cherry-picking data? I've not heard that Putin was going crazy or off before, and I consider myself pretty well informed. As for Putin not wanting to think he's crazy...not at home, but for international consumption and if it means he wins Ukraine, he won't care. Only a crazy person would be that egotistical.

I only put it out there as a possibility. I'm not saying it's the absolute truth because no one really knows. Li'l Marco is certainly capable of being either a useful idiot or a bad actor.

If it takes nukes to win, he'll nuke. What's the rest of the world gonna do about it, huh?

[quote] What's the rest of the world gonna do about it, huh?

There won’t much of the world left to do anything. Including Russia.

I don't think Russia will initiate a nuclear war. Why? Because the US would retaliate and it would be the end of the world. Literally, the end. I think Putin is an asshole, but I don't think he's insane enough to start a nuclear, which every thinking person knows is unwinnable.

R241 That is why some people are concerned with his mental state.

[quote] That is why some people are concerned with his mental state.

I don't get the impression he's bat shit crazy. A nasty asshole, though. But I can understand why people are speculating on his mental state.

Is that convoy still sitting there?

[Quote] Because the US would retaliate

With nukes? I doubt it.

How could we retaliate if he uses "limited" amounts of nuclear weapons?

Like the poisoned tea of that guy in England (found in a perfume bottle, killing an English woman) - I think those cases were related?

And putting radioactive stuff in Navalny's underwear?

Surely there are smaller nuclear weapons that would make a major nuclear strike look like an extreme over-reaction that would threaten the world - so the US and its allies could over-respond - yet Putin could get away with limited use of nuclear weapons. Does that make sense?

(Don't listen, Vlad, I'm sure you haven't already thought of this)

*US and its allies COULDN'T over-respond

[quote] If it takes nukes to win, he'll nuke. What's the rest of the world gonna do about it, huh?

You sound like a wacko. Like those characters you see in cartoons holding up signs that "THE END IS NEAR."

I actually believe this whole thing is Putin's attempt to bait the U.S. and other NATO members into attacking Russia, giving him an excuse to fire nuclear weapons on U.S. cities. It's just too loony and misguided to just be about making Ukrainians into Russian citizens.

R243 I don't think he is padded cell looney but there are many conditions where the person is suffering from a mental illness and appears normal. Those are often the most dangerous people. He has been a nasty piece of work since he first became President. But, he has been growing worse ever since returned as President in 2012, after switching with the PM for a term.

Nuclear war won't happen on purpose. But war is chaotic. Nuclear war could happen, following an accident.

[quote]I don't think Russia will initiate a nuclear war. Why? Because the US would retaliate and it would be the end of the world. Literally, the end. I think Putin is an asshole, but I don't think he's insane enough to start a nuclear, which every thinking person knows is unwinnable.

He's like donald trump times ten. There is no way he is just going to tuck his tail between his legs and give up. That would be admitting he's wrong. And putin will NEVER, EVER do that.

[quote]I think Putin is an asshole, but I don't think he's insane enough to start a nuclear, which every thinking person knows is unwinnable.

I grew up in the country. You have no idea what a crazed wild animal will do when it's cornered.

[quote]I think Putin is an asshole, but I don't think he's insane enough to start a nuclear, which every thinking person knows is unwinnable.

He'll be happy to take everyone in the world down with him. His men have also captured a nuclear power plant and set it on fire

Just like with Covid, Africa will remain untouched.

China already owns Africa.

I think everyone on this thread who thinks nuclear war is imminent (in other words, the end of the world) should get together and commit mass suicide like the followers of Jim Jones did. They seem to be of that same doomsday mindset, so they should just put themselves out of their misery and be done with it.

Well, hold on, R257, that is [italic]a lot[/italic] of stuff to ask for.

R257 is asking us to leave our mother's basement? That's the safest place to be when the bomb hits!!!

I live next to an airbase in Vermont. It will be quick at least.

R257 What color matching outfits should we wear? It's not a proper mass suicide without a matching wardrobe. And what type of poisoned food or drink should we serve? It's all so complicated.

R257 is triggered. Why else enter a thread he claims to have no interest in or concern about.

R257 is panicking!

I'm concerned.

R261... I mean, kaftans. But probably drab.

[quote]What color matching outfits should we wear?

Earrings Caftan

You had to ASK?

Khaki, I'd guess. Either that or camo. God help us it's come to that.

Let’s not forget the most important point when we discuss Nuclear War: that we do not mispronounce nuclear as nu-cu-lar.

[quote] r257 is triggered. Why else enter a thread is triggered. Why else enter a thread he claims to have no interest in or concern about.

You seem to be the one "triggered", hon. And " he claims to have no interest in or concern about?" Who claimed that? I think you're fear of nuclear war is making you confused.

{quote} R257 is panicking!

You're the one "panicking", sweetie. You think Putin is going to blow up the world. Now THAT is "panicking."

I dunno. I'm the one who can [italic]successfully format.[/italic]

And I'm not reduced to irrational sweeties and hons.

Why not shut up and stop embarrassing yourself?

[quote] Why not shut up and stop embarrassing yourself?

Why don't you go huddle in a basement with a blanket over your head, you terrified twat. Perhaps that will make you feel safer.

You're the picture of calm, fool. You're embarrassing yourself. Don't you care?

[quote] Why don't you go huddle in a basement with a blanket over your head, you terrified twat. Perhaps that will make you feel safer.

Oh Boris, have another shot of vodka - then go sleep it off.

You Russkies always reveal yourself with your rage. You too, Vlad.

[quote] You're the picture of calm, fool. You're embarrassing yourself. Don't you care?

Hey, I'm not the one screaming about how the world is going to end soon, you poor thing. You're embarrassing yourself. And it's pretty obvious that you certainly do not "care."

So what happened to the end-time scenario, anyway? The Russians seem to have become awfully quiet compared to what was expected of them this weekend. Are they saving their firepower for tomorrow? Did they realize that if they blow their whole wad on Kyiv, and don't take it, they won't have another chance until the new helicopters are delivered?

Time to rethink this.

Putin would most likely take out the large military bases first.

I keep thinking this would be a good time, while Russia's bogged down in Ukraine with no better outcome than a draining occupation, for some other country to grab a piece of Russia. But really, who the hell would want it? Would China like a Siberian oil field or two, or is possessing them more trouble than they're worth?

Even the Russian citizens who are Putin lovers must be realizing that something is very wrong. They can't use their credit cards, have no communication with the outside world and prices are soaring.

Vat you say, R279? If green card not work, I no can use black card?

I can't help but notice that OP was full of shit. We've already moved on to other doomsdays.

R263, Not only him. I'm not gonna lie, I'm panicking too!

Just checked my watch and it's still nowhere close to midnight. Appears to be Monkeypox o'clock, actually.

[quote]Just checked my watch and it's still nowhere close to midnight.

The Doomsday Clock right now is at the closest to midnight since the Clock's start in 1947.

The Russians will not allow themselves to lose. And will use any means necessary.

R284 Did they adjust it again? It wasn't all that close when they had their little shindig over the winter.

{quote] The Russians will not allow themselves to lose. And will use any means necessary.

Oh shut the fuck up. You sound like an utterly, hopelessly miserable person.

R286 Even the warmongering media is finally coming to their senses.

NYTimes May 27th: "Russia Slowly Gains Ground"

The result of all those sanctions:

CBS News. May 27th:

"Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year"

And nobody accepts it for payment.

[quote]And nobody accepts it for payment.

WashingtonPost May 24th:

"Europe accepts Putin's ruble payment system "

Putin is using double books. This is good for EU until they can wean off of Russian goods.

Good to ave in place when Russia is forced to rebuild Ukraine.

Russia doubles fossil fuel revenues since invasion of Ukraine began

4 days ago - so Wednesday (I hate when they do that, why not just give the date) - any, the BBC:

EU leaders say they will block most Russian oil imports by the end of 2022 to punish Moscow for invading Ukraine...

Russia currently supplies 27% of the EU's imported oil and 40% of its gas. The EU pays Russia around €400bn ($430bn, £341bn) a year in return.So far, no sanctions on Russian gas exports to the EU have been put in place, although plans to open a new gas pipeline from Russia to Germany have been frozen.

The UK - which gets 8% of its oil needs from Russia - has pledged to phase out Russian oil by the end of the year.

R293 Note the the words in the article: "So far, no sanctions on Russian gas exports to the EU have been put in place"

If you were to ask anyone if there are EU sanctions currently in place against Russian gas, everyone would say "yes, of course".

Because that's what we've been led to believe.

Now they're telling us by the end of the year. 6th months from now. Oh really? I'll believe it when I see it.

In the meantime Europe is funding the war in Ukraine by paying them hundreds of millions each day.

And China and India are buying more Russian oil than ever.

Have I mentioned that I was First Runner-Up in the Miss Atomic Pageant?