If Biden doesn't run for re-election, who should be the Democratic nominee in 2024?

Buttigieg would come across the best in debates, etc. but still not sure it's his time yet in 2 years? Maybe. Who knows - would be nice, I guess.

Not one of them could beat Trump.

NO on Pete, NO on Kamala, NO on Warren, NO on Sanders. Maybe one of the others.

Won't Sanders be about 187 years old by 2024?

I'm surprised r2 removed her tongue from Trump's shit-encrusted asshole long enough to log into DL

R2 Louie Gohmert or Boris?

Holy F, the drool for fascists on this site. CIA log off

Pete is Hillary x10. Not relatable in the slightest for any working class and not because of his sexuality but because he talks like an encyclopedia. He'd be a bomb.

No to Pete since he lacks minority support. No to Warren and sanders. The left is kind of fucked. We need to drag Biden ass like weekend at bernies to the finish line. Please no fake ass kamala she comes across as a phony and a cold bitch.

R9 Biden can't be dragged, and is still upholding many of Trump's policies 😂

Krysten Sinema or Stacey Abrams

Corey Booker

DL fave Martin Heinrich!

If Trump runs again there are A LOT of rational Conservatives that cant bear the thought of voting for him. If the Dems run Tulsi Gabbard they would desert and vote for her. She could win.

Kamala is last place in OP's poll? Even on Datalounge? Ouch!

Raimondo 2024

Biden will not run again. He's far too old and addled. As VP, Harris has risen to her own level of incompetency and would better serve the Dems and herself by seeking a more suitable gig. The rest of the candidates on OP's list are as unsuitable for the position now as they were then. And that's exactly the challenge the Dems must overcome; finding suitable candidates and a direction/platform that are not off-putting to voters.

No gays. No women. No persons of color. It’s sad, but it’s realistic.

Andy Beshear, governor of Kentucky is right out of central casting

Nobody from that list would win. Sorry.

Alright America, I am ready for my closeup.

Vivian Vance

R13 How tall is Martin Heinrich?

Does anyone know?

i think the dems will run a lot of candidates and let the primary voters decide.

Lol the voters do t decide primaries in this country

Dems are in bad shape. The wind is behind the Republicans' sails if they can drop Trump. One way to tell if a party is in decline is by its inability to produce leaders. I'm not a Republican btw just a realistic observer.

Don't shoot the messager, bitches.

There's still enough sheep to ensure a Democratic win. Just get ready for non-stop Jan 6. mongering

Beto O'Rourke would be great. I think coming from Texas would help him.

Um r28 did you see what happened last time?

Beto would lose almost every state, including Texas.

He would carry NYS, California, DC, Maryland, Hawaii, and Massachusetts. And maybe not NYS.

R30 I wholeheartedly agree. I really like Beto O'Rourke, but if you cannot win at home, that doesn't leave much hope of a nationwide win. That is what scares me about all of these people jumping up and down about Buttigieg. The coastal elites love him, but he will never win the flyover states. All politics is local. He couldn't even win state wide!

Dems need someone to come out of the woodwork. I don't see anyone on the national stage right now that can be Governor Death Satan of Florida. That is the competition. No way in hell is Trump running. The fucker just wants to stay out of jail.

Pete

It's time to get rid of the two party system. We need a reset and we need it now.

They also need to fix voting rights and get rid of that mother fucking electoral college.

A handful of uneducated, xenophobic, unexposed and unenlightened rednecks get to decide the fate of MILLIONS of people? Fuck that!

One person = one fucking vote!

My wet dream ticket:

Condoleezza Rice

Nikki Haley

Susanna Martinez

Good PR/selling team like Obama had. Once the ladies have succeeded, they can divide up the top jobs as they see fit.

The billionaire Governor of Illinois JB Pritzer is gonna take a surah at this thing. Being from Illinois, Iowa knows him well and would vote for him come Iowa Caucus.

Michelle Obama

She says she's not interested, but I think people will eventually convince her. Especially if some radical Republican who wants to end democracy like Trump, DeSantis etc. runs for president. Polls show she would beat them all and Repugs are afraid of her.

The Democratic Party knows they have nobody to offer. Their only strategy is to call the other side nazis and force you to vote for whoever they say. They will rely on divisiveness and fear. save yourself the stress and vote green for president and progressive dems for local.

The Dems need another Bill Clinton.

I hope people aren't dumb enough to actually want a democratic president. People didn't like Bernie because he cool right? They liked him because he was the only one with an agenda that matches the rest of the developed world. Every democrat on this poll minus Bernie is right wing by global standards.

Anybody (including Beto O'Rourke) can win with the right backup, the right campaign strategy and a slogan with mass appeal. An outsider like Trump on the Republican side proved that.

The candidate isn't that important these days, the media PR hype is the much more important. The Dems need a bigger PR push.

Deplorables would love Democratic PA Lt. Governor John Fetterman. He's a wild card, but he speaks in the language they understand. He could reach across the aisle and clean up.

Read about him. If you haven't heard about him yet, trust me -- you will.

sorry, ... the media PR hype is the much more important part.

I don't think the media hype can get anyone in. Obama's PR was legendary but also before social media took off. Now everyone talks and there are millions of Dems who would never want Beto or have faith he would win. They need a leftist candidate or a newbie who they can mold from the start, not Beto.

Beating the Republicans at their own game is the ticket to go. Push them to do more stunts like the convoy bullshit to turn the media and the public against them. Social media and the media will win the race for the Dems. Not the candidate.

They don't need to push them to act out, they can spin this stuff so easily or legit create it themselves. Dems can find or plant one guy posing as a nazi at a Mitt Romney rally and say they're all nazis. It'll come to that I'm sure while they push some boring newbie who looks and talks nice.

Buttigieg or someone who isn't 100 years old (or 80 or 70 or 60) and who hasn't had his or ger every move in the spotlight for decades. And someone who speaks of ideas and plans instead of enemies and policy workings (yet can eviscerate with a smile in debates.)

I personally think Buttigieg turned off the leftist block of dem voters. He's pretty moderate. He'd have to win them back at least or else. Though he was against M4A. That's just not a stance to take when Bernie nearly one with that issue alone.

No matter who the candidate is, social media will be flooded with bots which pretend to be Dems who can't stand the nominee for whatever reason. Social media platforms will be busy dealing with the trolling. Hell, I could see Datalounge go full Primetime for a year or more to prevent cheap-ass right wing trolls from posting with their sock puppet accounts trying to establish a narrative favoring the Right Wing.

R49 are you a troll? Because the democrats will be just as busy trying to manufacture support for their candidate while stifling the actual left on DL. It probably has happened since this site was remotely popular.

Joe Biden is running in 2024. Deal with it.

Chris Murphy !

r50, really? You go for the both sides bullshit? You seriously insist there is a Liberal version of Russian bot troll farms everybody knows about?

[quote] It probably has happened since this site was remotely popular.

Russian bot troll farms are public knowledge, but you have to rely on "probably" to present your stupid argument of Liberal trolling? Get the fuck out, bitch.

R53 lmao not everything is the "Russians". The US establishment hasn't had a leftist in office since FDR and he is still moderate globally by todays standards. Everyone since Reagan has been off far-right by global standards. None of this has been on accident. Liberal media shows its teeth when real leftists come out and make them tow the line. Yes troll farms will attack leftist advocating for liberals where necessary. It's a US practice as old as ever.

I don't like Beto, something's not right with him.

Most experienced is Amy Klobuchar, I always liked her.

Amy can't win!

Buttigieg is wildly unpopular outside of the Democratic Party, and divisive within it. Anyone but Buttigieg. It would be a loss of epic proportions.

Pete could easily win. He has that Midwestern charm that appeals to many voters.

I’m available!

Bill DeBlasio!

No one will vote for someone who looks like Alfred E. Newman.

None of them could beat Trump, OP. Only Joe Biden.

[quote]Pete could easily win. He has that Midwestern charm that appeals to many voters.

Rural whites like Pete, yes.

Pete Buttigieg would absolutely be the WORST choice for Democrats! If he is the nominee then don't even bother having an election. We lost!

If you think that the same ignorant, racist and misogynist midwest that rejected Hillary Clinton for Trump is gonna elect an inexperienced homosexual then you're in for a huge disappointment. He is probably the only one that is an automatic loss to Trump (or whoever the GOP comes up with).

He already had the media spinning for him and that wasn't enough to even get Democrats to support him. Sorry guys but no way in hell can he win.

Hillary! If only she’d kick the shade up a notch and talk back to dump like the dog he is. She could ask Meryl for acting tips from Don’t Look Up,

Pete was more popular with rural whites than Clinton^.

Beto and his embrace of slavery reparations would kill it right there.

[quote] Andy Beshear, governor of Kentucky is right out of central casting

Central casting in Kentucky. Democrats won't show up for a white male moderate. He'd have to make AOC his VP.

[quote] Pete was more popular with rural whites than Clinton^.

I don't doubt you read this somewhere. This is the problem with unregulated media platforms. You read something preposterous but can't immediately determine that it's preposterous.

[quote] Pete could easily win. He has that Midwestern charm that appeals to many voters.

Yeah, except for the 'gay' thing.

Joe's a good guy and I trust him. I don't want to think beyond that right now.

Tulsi Gabbard.

Beto O'Rourke? Even moderate Democratic voters are not going to buy his prime messaging of a slack and inviting southern border, more entitlements for undocumented migrants, and blanket U.S. citizenship for people in the country illegally.

I was a Hillary supporter going back to 2008. However, as intelligent, knowledgeable, and experienced she is, her campaign strategies and staffing were not good. She should have used some of her husband's old campaign operatives. She's on the introverted side, and that takes some unique methodology to win. Her campaign managers were more fluff and cluelessness, rather than tough-as-nails, take no prisoners, strategists. All that time courting Latinos was a waste of time, money, and energy.

I like Jo and I hope he wins a second term.

BUT

If he decided to resign after the second midterm election in 2026, and make Kamala the first Black Female president who would make her run as an INCUMBENT, then...

FUCK YOU REPUBLICANS!

Mitch Landrieu speaks fluent good-ol-boy and is actually in charge of the infrastructure bill's implementation unlike Paternity Leave Peter.

None of OP's options would be slam dunks to win. They each have a lot of baggage that may be difficult to overcome, leaving room for a rethug candidate to slip in.

Rather than annointing someone with more than 2 years to go, perhaps we should wait and let the process work as intended and see who has sufficient popular momentum AND policy bona fides to be a good candidate.

[quote] Democrats won't show up for a white male moderate.

This is a myth created by the woke crowd. Some very liberal Dems might be that way, but not enough to make a difference nationally.

Another vote for Stacey Adams, she’d be Trump’s foil because he cannot attack a Black woman and expect Blacks to vote for him. The urge would be SO IRRESISTIBLE that he’d inevitably do so anyway and she’d win in a landslide with Black votes and Whites that can’t stand him.

Gabbard is a smart cookie with military experience, I don't know of any skeletons in her closet (yet). She is young.

Uh, she was raised in a cult, R80. You can't be that dumb.

AOC would be the best candidate.

Folks seem to think Abrams has little chance, but she seems fine by me. I think she'd relate well to struggling families.

[quote] Another vote for Stacey Adams, she’d be Trump’s foil because he cannot attack a Black woman and expect Blacks to vote for him.

What, in God's name, made you believe that Trump in any way expects black people to vote for him?

[Quote]Democrats won't show up for a white male moderate.

Democrats always vote for the Democrat because the GOP is unthinkable. The only problematic ones are the far left INDEPENDENTS. Most of them eventually come home.

None of this is going to matter if Voting Rights is not dealt with before November. Time is ticking. You can't fix voting rights in October and expect to win.

No one gives a fuck what you think, DeFecto.

Bush '24! (Cori Bush)

[Quote]Pete was more popular with rural whites than Clinton^

R66 I seriously doubt that. I lived several places in the midwest. They absolutely would not elect him.

A lot of gays live in a bubble and think that Marriage Equality is some new found "acceptance." It's not. There was a perfect storm of events which allowed that to happen, including a SCOTUS that hadn't yet gone wacky with Trump picks. The support would not be there for it today. I can already hear the "wokeness" choruses!

Twitter and DL are not real. Please get out of your echo chamber.

Pete cannot win in the current climate.

As we know from Reagan's second term, a president doesn't need to be totally lucid in order to win reelection and for his party to continue to govern. Probably the Dems' best chance of keeping the WH is to make no changes to the Biden/Harris lineup. (Not saying that's ideal but the public usually leans towards keeping the status quo.)

The other way to look at this is who amongst all Dems would rile up the Repubs the most, ensuring they marshaled their resources and made a cohesive effort to win back the WH? The Repubs and rightwing media will continue to float false info that Michelle is running or that it will be Hillary & Pete just to keep the grassroots money flowing into their coffers.

The best strategy for the Dems to keep the WH is to ensure the Right remains splintered. The Repub party is incredibly divided at the moment and the Dems need to do what they can to ensure that doesn't change.

Is Jimmy Carter still available?

Mitch Landrieu. White southern male from New Orleans. Compelling story/introduction as he led the rebuilding of New Orleans as mayor after Katrina. Elected and re-elected in a racially diverse city. Enough of a good old boy bubba type to confuse the right-wingers.

Stacey Abrams is incredibly capable and smart, big fan. I hope she wins. But she has to work on her looks a bit if she wants to run for president one day. Lose that extra weight and get those teeth fixed.

A black female winning an election in the US? Are you fucking kidding me.

I would love to see Jon Ossoff in the job, but 2024 will not be his time I don't think. Of the others listed I could live with any of them really.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. DONALD TRUMP WILL NEVER BE POTUS AGAIN AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE AT BECOMING THE GOP NOMINEE. His base has decreased dramatically since he was POTUS.

You are all delusional. The best we can hope for at this point is a not-Trump Republican.

It's gotta be Brian Sims! He can get the closeted evangelical vote!

^^^^

Joe Rogan

[quote] What, in God's name, made you believe that Trump in any way expects black people to vote for him?

All the "Blacks for Trump" arrayed behind him at every rally. That's a lot of effort and visibility for a contingent his base hates.

Blacks for Trump allows white people to vote for Trump and claim not to be racist.

R93, that's what everybody says until somebody comes along to prove you wrong. One big hurdle would have been climbed if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, which I actually think she did if there was a thorough investigation about all the things that went down in 2016. I never believed Trump was a legitimate president.

If Hillary had won and won reelection, it would be a lot easier for women and black women to become president. It's a normality in many western countries.

WE ARE NOT A NORMAL COUNTRY

All the "Blacks for Trump" arrayed behind Trump at every rally are bought, R99.

It's not popular here, but I feel compelled to mention that some black voters are tired of being pigeon-holed as miserable and depressed, when they see themselves as regular people. It's a white liberal thing to classify all non-white people as a group as one entity with zero diversity.

Bernie still has a lot of fans out there so him, even though he too is old as shit. The VP is not popular even in the party.

There are 10s of million of poor people that with some help, like transportation and door to door pushing them the Ds can win but the Ds not only will not help the very poor, like people on SSI too disabled, sick or elderly to work, no matter how much they want to, or those on very low incomes, these days they won't even acknowledge them. People on Twitter are going crazy against the Ds for this. So many have parents, grandparents, friends, neighbors who are suffering horribly from poverty with all the inflation and the pandemic imagine living on $500 - $841 a month trying to pay soaring rents and utilities out of that not to mention all of life's other necessities. Most of them can't even afford toilet paper and/or toothpaste. Not going after the poor has always been a big mistake for Ds. One of the only reason Biden won was because he lied and promised to raise people on SSI up to the poverty level and help lift everyone in poverty up to at least the poverty level. He lied. They will not be fooled again.

Pandering Mitch Landrieu big accomplishment is destroying historic statues in New Orleans. Let him move to the Bronx and deface statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

I think Amy Klobuchar could win nationally. People know she’s a bitch and she tells it like it is… which resonates with most people. She was on track to be Biden’s running mate, until the Derek Chauvin case derailed her.

Hillary!

anyone but fugly pete will get my vote

Oh Pete, just stop it!

I don't want too see the roses Mitch McConnell sent Elaine Chao either (which he probably didn't).

to, not too^

Chasten complains about owing student loans. How about finding a job and paying it off?

Boston's own Marty Walsh!

I couldn’t stand Stacey Abrams when I first found out about her because she came across as a loudmouth, egotistical and brash.

I love her now, and she has exactly what it takes to become President!

Gays are more apt support a black person than a white gay man today.

The definition of irony would be if Swingline Sal were to run with Mayor Pete as her Veep choice.

I’m not interested in local officials like Pete.

Trans^?

Yup lets have Ms Abrams run and lose with epic margins, much like Goldwater did in 1964. This energized the right and twenty years later led to Reagan winning. We have time don't you think to pull this off from the left?

OP,

One election cycle at a time.

We are in 2022.

Midterm elections.

I want the Democrats to lose.

r121, die in a grease fire.

R116

and good. White gays are trash.

It really doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is. Repubs will take both houses of Congress this fall and enact laws which will make it impossible for a Dem to win. Dems are craven and are allowing the Republican takeover. They are too interested in pronouns and SJWs. What has been accomplished by the Biden Administration, Pelosi, or Schumer? They can no longer run against Trump as their only campaign issue.

[quote] Repubs will take both houses of Congress this fall and enact laws

Wow... veto-proof margins at that!

You are forgetting Manchin and Sinema who will vote with the Republicans

Chasten will be first lady, Melania-style.

Deb Birx, obv

JERRY SPRINGER - Sounds about right.

Winning ticket: Andrew Cuomo/Stacey Abrams

Chris Murphy would make a good candidate. But he is the wrong race and gender to appeal to the left wing wokers.

The next nominee should be a governor from a battleground state who handled the covid crisis well without ruffling feathers. No shady connections, not even a whiff of corruption

Jared Polis

R132 Hey Gretchen!

Phil Murphy, Governor of NJ.

International experience as former Ambassador to Germany during Obama.

Ellen!

She's beloved!

Mitch Landrieu.

Every one of the people on OP's poll list will ensure a Republican win.

So many terrible choices. If Bernie could be hooked up to a pool boy blood-bag at night to keep him somewhat spry (and out of the dementia zone), maybe him.

Conor Lamb!

He's so pretty!

Stacey Abrams? Are we even sure she will beat Kemp? If Kemp beats Perdue in the primary, I wouldn’t count him out in the general election.

Trump is not running in 2024. If Trump wouldn’t have been so stupid after losing in 2020, he would be the favorite. However, he has burned so many bridges within the Republican Party and is still an idiot. Only his cult following want anything to do with him.

Stacey Abrams is going to die from diabetes or a heart attack. She's morbidly obese and continues to get fatter.

Jenna Bush Hager!

r140, Lamb is just another Corporate Conservative that has to go, along with Manshit and S'enema.

R144 Conor Lamb is a moderate but a far cry from ManSHIT and SIN-ful ENEMA. Those fuckers gotta go ASAP!!! He is running for Pat Toomey's seat in the Senate. We need that seat to be blue and need Conor Lamb in it. We cannot get rid of the moderates. They can win swing voters - which we need.

R141, DeSantis has replaced Trump among most Republicans as he also appeals more to Libertarians. DL may think of him as DeathSantis but small business owners favor personal choice even if it involves risk.

DeSantis is seen as more "moral" thank Trump and a true family man. Whether that is all "smoke and mirrors" is something to be uncovered. At least his kids aren't hard core drug addicts, alcoholics, and wild animal shooters. I know, they're too young.

Personally I think everyone in politics is a corrupt crook. Most everyone I talk to believes the same thing.

R146 If you can't see the difference between the occasional double-talk and pandering some politicians sometimes engage in versus the Anti-American, Morally Bankrupt and often Criminal behavior of the GOP then I pity you.

It is not all the same. The Bothsidersism the GOP likes to engage in to distract from their corruption just isn't plausible. They are way over the line. Most of them belong behind bars.

[quote] Stacey Abrams is going to die from diabetes or a heart attack. She's morbidly obese and continues to get fatter.

It also didn't help that she was cancelled from the cover of pancake boxes.

Hillary Clinton 2024 - Here time is now!

Mitch Landrieu.

[quote]Stacey Abrams? Are we even sure she will beat Kemp?

If she doesn't can we lay to rest this notion of the great Stacey Abrams as a national tier candidate? She did a great thing at the state level with the voting effort. That earns you the Presidential Medal of Freedom, not the presidency.

Hillary...

Terry McAuliffe! HAHAHAHA

Actually that's not funny. I believe that is how John Kerry ended up nominated.

R150 I like Mitch Landrieu too!

He is 61 so he's not decrepit!

He is a good ole boy from Louisiana (former Mayor of New Orleans) so he should be able to pick up some disaffected Trumpers. He also has a good relationship with the Black community. The only concern is that "Progressives" won't like him, but I think it is time Democrats stopped trying to appease the "Independents."

We can't afford to have Klobuchar or Warren run. They are desperately needed where they are.

It's a damned shame Biden picked that idiot Janet Yellen to run the treasury. She's only there to protect the 1%

I'm okay with Landrieu too. I don't have to like everything about him. But we need someone who will at least defend himself and the party.

R147 It's actually attitudes like yours that caused Trump to ascend so quickly in the GOP in the first place.

People on the center-left of the aisle never have made peace with the fact that Republicans are here and they're not going anywhere. They're not just gonna die off or turn Democrat and then you won't ever have to deal with someone with "conservative values". So they throw these hissy fits over every Republican who seems to be in position to attain power. And they do nothing but give these breathless critiques of any Republican they come across.

What happens is Republicans buy it for awhile. They think they need the most moderate, milquetoast white bread politician they can find. Someone who is good on paper, looks nice in a suit, can espouse the party line well enough. And what happens? The left does nothing but tries to make that guy look like the second coming of Hitler (i.e. Bush, Dole, Bush Jr, McCain, Romney). So then Republicans decide, well fuck it, they're gonna bitch and moan anyway, we might as pick the guy who will come in long and loud, talk a lot of shit, and say what we want to hear. Fuck couth, be as tacky and unapologetic as possible. Hence Trump.

The way you defeat someone like Trump, or the next Trump, is you gotta cozy up to at least 1-2 Republicans. You gotta swallow hard and take some of the right-wing rhetoric for what it is, and try to find middle ground. That way you'll get someone who isn't so crazy and is willing to work across the aisle. As it stands, Republicans know if Trump doesn't run or get the nomination, all they're gonna do is nominate Pence, Nikki Haley, Chris Christie, or DeSantis and you guys are gonna demonize them too. Only difference is they're just gonna put both hands up and take every blow they receive instead of punching back.

[quote]Stacey Abrams? Are we even sure she will beat Kemp?

We can't have her run. Any idiot can become president. Stacey Abrams gets shit done. She is desperately needed in Georgia or helping with voting (no one else cares about voting rights).

The dems have way too many useless people. Someone as accomplished as Stacey can not be wasted.

Quit shit stirring, OP. Biden intends to run and he's in very good shape physically and able to make effective decisions. I don't want anyone else particularly at this time in our country's history.

Newsom as Prez -- he's loud, clear, and confrontational of idiot Repugs. He can get messages across to Mericuh. He's not a typical melting pussy Democrat. Kamila as Secretary of State. Turns out she can't organize her own office, but she's a fierce negotiator and has the intelligence and maturity to do international negotiations while keeping us out of nuclear war. I had higher hopes for her as a leader, but she's done.. Klobashar as Veep. She can do middle Mericuh. Mericuh isn't going to elect an uninspiring, barely relevant gay from shithole Indiana, so Buttigeg needs to be secretary of tranny or of the interior design. Bernie is too old and grumpy and has bad gas.

I've met both Newsom and Harris and know people who work with them. You can't get any more LGTBQ+ friendly, not that that's my main political concern today. And we all need to just finally live with Gavin's addiction to hair gel, as it's never going to go away. Trust me - I went there. Before he was Mayor of SF. As did hundreds before me.

I will vote republican for the first time if the VP is the ugly gay rodent.

Grease fire r160

i love when people mention debate performances. debate performances havent mattered in 20 years. Ever since George W Bush got away with random platitudes and Sarah Palin knocked hers out of the park by not humiliating herself in 2008, the medium died.

Even Kamala did ok during the debates in 2020 and I think she's turning out to be surprisingly terrible at politics and public appearances

Biden can run again but he can’t have Harris as his VP. She’s a disaster. He should go with either Amy or Pete as VP and then resign year or two into his presidency for health reasons. They take over and can run as an incumbent in 2028. That’s my wish anyway.

Actually what I’d like even more is if Harris resigned as VP this year and Amy was picked to replace her. That won’t happen unfortunately.

[quote]I would love to see Jon Ossoff in the job

I'd rather see him in my bed but as President would be just fine, too.

Beto O’Rouke was liberal rubbish. His whole career was the embodiment of when Warren drank a beer from her kitchen on Instagram Live announcing she was running for President.

His Oprah interview, his “I was born to do it” Vanity Fair cover, his man in a truck road campaign, speaking Spanish, the skateboarding, it was all pretentious nonsense. It was all PR without any policy.

Everyone was trying to find the next Obama so liberal politicians were doing things to seem “down to earth” like Obama.

Perhaps someone who’s not 150 years old.

I still genuinely like Elizabeth Warren. She's ardently pro-consumer, without being painfully woke or an annoying, tree-hugging zealot.

Progressive: "What will you do for black people?"

Warren: "Fight for right to repair, because black people get pissed about vendor lock-in and forced-obsolescence when their $900 phone's battery craps out, too. Make big banks behave themselves, because they fuck white people a lot, and fuck black people even more. Banks shouldn't be allowed to fuck ANYONE... white or black, a little or a lot."

Progressive: "ZeroCarbon! ZeroCarbon!"

Warren: "Er, ok... but you DO realize that's not realistically going to happen without nuclear power, right?"

As much as she gets vilified by the right, she's a Democrat an intellectually-honest moderate non-Trumpian Republican can't really disagree with about most of her specific policy points. Her ideology has evolved over her life as she's seen firsthand what works & what doesn't.

Unfortunately, most voters have the IQ of an electric turnip & would rather bleat fashionable slogans than research & contemplate policy points, so she has no chance of becoming president.

Which "Pete Buttigieg" are we talking about... IowaPete, the grounded & sensible centrist? Or WokePete, who seemingly can't utter 3 consecutive sentences anymore without pivoting the topic to climate change or People of Color™?

[quote]Biden can run again but he can’t have Harris as his VP. She’s a disaster. He should go with either Amy or Pete as VP and then resign year or two into his presidency for health reasons. They take over and can run as an incumbent in 2028. That’s my wish anyway.

Kamala could be an effective Attorney General. She held that position in California.

And Amy was a strong candidate. If nothing else, she can bring in Midwestern white voters... like Michigan and Wisconsin. And she would have had those two assholes in the Senate, Sinnemin and Mancunt reigned in by now.

[quote] most voters have the IQ of an electric turnip & would rather bleat fashionable slogans than research & contemplate policy points

Tribalism has become a whopping problem. Sadly, on sites like this blind allegiance is the norm.

[quote]The dems have way too many useless people.

Oh HI!

[quote]I still genuinely like Elizabeth Warren. She's ardently pro-consumer, without being painfully woke or an annoying, tree-hugging zealot.

She's EXTREMELY woke. She actually would have been a good candidate if she dropped all the woke shit. But she can't, because you can take the rich white woman out of Harvard, but...

Only a moderate democrat can win.

The I hate Pete brigade are the very left fringe of the party who always aim to lose but claim some kind of ideological superiority that they fought the good fight.

They like to lose so it gives them something to rage over and hold up a placard for another 4 years.

Agreed that very liberal Dems find losing with a woke candidate a win-win.

R48: "I personally think Buttigieg turned off the leftist block of dem voters. He's pretty moderate."

Like Biden.

R168, that was hilarious. That's PRECISELY why Warren doesn't -- and didn't -- have a chance.

You heard it hear first. Maybe.

R180, Kamala and Jussie. Google it.

[Quote]The way you defeat someone like Trump, or the next Trump, is you gotta cozy up to at least 1-2 Republicans. You gotta swallow hard and take some of the right-wing rhetoric for what it is, and try to find middle ground.

R156 Lemme stop you right there because you are delusional. If you think there is middle ground with Republicans you have lost your mind. They have moved the goal posts (and they continue to move them). There is no middle ground. They have gone so far to the right that to meet them half way would be to just adopt GOP policies. Doing that would surely end of democracy as we know it. We would be surrendering to the oligarchy.

Have you forgotten how Republicans were/are perfectly fine with the GOP taking the gov't by force as they tried on 6 Jan 2021? Have you forgotten they have changed the voting laws in all the battleground states since 2020? Have you forgotten about gerrymandering? Have you forgotten about all of their blatant violations of the Constitution? Have you forgotten about the SCOTUS seats they have stolen. Have you forgotten about the tax breaks they gave themselves while the middle class got poorer? Have you forgotten about the Billions that the 1% earned during the pandemic as everyone else got poorer bcuz GOP did not prioritize ending it? Have you forgotten of 4 years of Donald Trump's corruption rubber stamped by the GOP? The list goes on and on and on.

Your "simple solution" is the reason DEMS will likely lose control of both houses of Congress this year and the Presidency in 2024. You have to play tough with these people. DOJ needs to aggressively prosecute everyone who violated the law during Trump's reign of terror. They need to do whatever they need to do to cajole ManCunt and Sin-Enema to get with the program. Bust the filibuster and pass the laws we need.

Dems need to stop coddling the GOP and use the DAMN POWER while they have it! Nobody wants to support a losing party. That is what Dems feel like right now. Perception is reality. Dems need to put up a fight or just dissolve as a party and let us form another one.

I am sick of people saying "the simple solution" is DEMS just need to be Republican light! That has not worked, and it never will. The more inches Dems give, the more Republicans TAKE!

Biden will run again, full stop. He knows Harris cannot win a general election.

If for some reason he cannot run, then there will be a free-for-all and I would look seriously at Hillary Clinton running again. The Ukraine situation has brought gravitas and seriousness back to the fore, and I believe Clinton might feel she could win some folks who didn't like her in 2016 just because they now know what they would be getting into with more Trump.

It would be very close again, but she might pull it off this time.

R180, the Dems and Repugs actually just found some common ground last week, which is why the budget finally passed.

Of course those who supported the Jan 6 insurrection should be prosecuted, but that doesn't mean if we can get some repugs to help pass legislation, we should just keep repeating the same shit over and over again.

R181, no. Biden won't run. Unfortunately he can barely walk. And if he did run, he'd lose. Just too freakin' old...

The moderate part of the party are interested in governing and changing things.

The left of the party are interested in perpetually protesting only. That's their only function and ability.

[Quote]that doesn't mean if we can get some repugs to help pass legislation, we should just keep repeating the same shit over and over again.

R182 Wake up! That is NEVER gonna happen. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

The days of DEMs achieving Bipartisanship are OVER. Jan 6 shows that the GOP would rather take the country by force than acknowledge Dem power.

When GOP is in power they always pass major parts of their agenda with or without Bipartisan support.

When Dems are in power it takes months and years for the DEM caucus to support the DEM Agenda. Then they turn to the GOP for support who behaves like Lucy from Peanuts and snatches the football away once again.

Dems need to stop talking Bipartisan bullshit, bust the Filibuster and do the work the American people sent them to do before the GOP wipes out Democracy for the foreseeable future.

[quote]The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Such a Dunning Kruger sentence.

In the Scientific Method, tests are run and run again to document factualness. When different results are found, the paradigm must be reassessed. It happens.

And that sentence goes for the hard sciences. In the social sciences, where human behavior changes, different results are to be expected as stimuli change.

The key is to find the right stimulus to change Republican behavior. I am looking forward to JAIL being the answer.

The Hypothesis of R185.

R185 - To get Republicans in jail would be the result of a DIFFERENT PROCESS would it not?

If you do the same thing over and over again (and all things being the same) you WILL LIKELY get the same result.

Is it a simplification? Sure. But not an oversimplification. Chances are still very hight that you will get the same result, especially since the behavior has NEVER gotten a different result.

I agree the Dems need to give up their belief in bipartisanship and take the gloves out. They need to demonize the Republicans they way Republicans have demonized them. It will be harder because the American dream mythology allows the Republicans to get away with all their shit - I may die bankrupt because of healthcare but they'll never take my freedom!

Where I don't agree is Republican lite - which is my view is actually moderation. That's where the votes lie in the suburbs and the swing voters. Keep ignoring that and you'll get one or two sessions of Congress before the voters swing back to the Republicans because the Democrats seem loony and out of touch. And ignoring that is, to me, the definition of insanity. But there's a determined contingent on DL believes if you just bury your head in the sand and hate enough, the AOC platform will come true when Hillary is president.

R187 I don't disagree with your first paragraph, but understand I am not an AOC loon.

I am a center left Democrat. If the Republicans were not Anti-American in ALL their current policies, I would be one.

When I say Republican Lite, I mean EVERYTHING Republicans currently stand for I find abhorrent. There is NO MIDDLE GROUND. The far right has completely taken over and they are using Bull Horns as the scream the quiet part out loud. They only want Democrats to follow the Constitution and they use the courts and legislature to take people's rights. That is unacceptable. The US should not negotiate with terrorists foreign or DOMESTIC. As Americans we cannot accept any portion of their fucked up agenda. If it comes down to a Civil War, so be it.

I would enjoy having two parties because that is how shit gets done. The Republican Party does not exist and hasn't for many years. Right now we only have the Democratic Party which has an out of control left flank.

There is no easy solution, but something has got to give.

[quote]To get Republicans in jail would be the result of a DIFFERENT PROCESS would it not?

You are saying the increased heat is different from the turning up of the heat? That is a difference without a distinction, as both are a change in stimuli.

Personally, I do dot care which stimulus works as long as the task is tested, repeatedly. Humans are not fixed, unlike hard science.

[Quote]You are saying the increased heat is different from the turning up of the heat?

NO R189. I am telling you there is no heat on. TURN IT ON. No stimulus currently exists.

It is as simple as this. Republicans are cheating and being rewarded for it. If Democrats continue to color within the lines and not ensure Republicans are punished for their cheating then Republicans have ZERO incentive to stop cheating.

Nothing will change if nothing different is done by Democrats.

R186, I hear you and you make a reasoned case. In that case, we're more of like mind than apart. When I say Republican lite I mean reflecting the priorities of everyone in the middle - health care, infrastructure, schools, policing.

AOC and the gang have some good ideas, but this is America, for better or worse (worse) and not Europe. The distorted fetish of self-reliance and the American dream is part of the DNA. It's like COVID. It isn't going away so we've got to figure out how to live with is a factor.

It's very nice to be able to disagree without cunt flying around. Thanks.

There are some Democratic Governors, Senators, and a few House members, that do have substantive legislative and administrative experience in state and/or federal government, that did not run the last time. Some have both domestic and foreign polity experience. A few served well in the military. Several are not senior age. If Democrats are going to focus solely on African American grievances and sought new entitlements, plus being soft and encouraging on illegal immigration, they lose.

Climate change/environmental protection, economic revitalization, combating inflation and high oil prices, gun safety & control, addressing crime, education, rolling back the huge tax cut for the rich, protecting "Choice", etc. , need to be issues to run on.

^foreign policy

Amy Klobuchar is incredibly smart and talented. Wish she hadn’t eaten the salad with her comb or berated staff. She’d be a smart, tough ass President.

You guys are crazy to want someone like a mayor. Do you know now how complicated shot can get on the world stage. We don’t need anymore amateurs. Biden has been the first President, that I can remember, in my 31 years of life that looked like he knew what the hell he was doing from day one. He’s gone from crisis to crisis with the resolve of an elder statesman.

When I look at what the US has to do with say getting out footing back with NATO, I don’t want a novice leading the operation. Harris, looks like a fish out of water on international affairs. I know she’s smart and capable, but she’s also learning on the job.

I’d prefer the next President to be someone that knows DC and knows how word leaders operate behind closed doors.

Thy said, if we must choose an amateur, then let’s consider Michigan’s Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

PS my mayor flap was about that New Orleans guy and not Pete. The gay issue will automatically sink Pete so I know the party won’t let him run us into the ground.

The "New Orleans guy" isn't just a former mayor, o font of wisdom.

[quote]The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Yes, please communicate this to the people in this thread who are pushing for Hillary to run a THIRD time.

I hope it's Hillary! No joke.

This idea of it being insanity for Hillary to run again doesn't wash. Look at Biden, who ran for president three times, in 1988, 2008 and 2020. Nixon ran in 1960, finally won in 1968. Third time can be the charm!

Hillary definitely sees an opportunity here.

To go down in history as the worst candidate ever.

Gavin Newsome is not a bad choice. Kamala cannot win. Pete cannot win. Hillary I would vote for. Michelle Obama could win....I am disappointed in Kamala. I expected so much more.

Two of my favorite politicians are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Neither will ever win the nomination, much less the White House. It is just how it goes sometimes. Hope they remain highly effective Senators for the rest of their careers (which, Bernie, honestly ...).

R180 "Lemme stop you right there because you are delusional. If you think there is middle ground with Republicans you have lost your mind. They have moved the goal posts (and they continue to move them). There is no middle ground. They have gone so far to the right that to meet them half way would be to just adopt GOP policies. Doing that would surely end of democracy as we know it. We would be surrendering to the oligarchy."

Oh boy, I already see who I'm dealing with. I'd just say the perception is not that the GOP has gone too far to the Right, but that Democrats have pivoted too far to the Left.

"Have you forgotten how Republicans were/are perfectly fine with the GOP taking the gov't by force as they tried on 6 Jan 2021? Have you forgotten they have changed the voting laws in all the battleground states since 2020? Have you forgotten about gerrymandering? Have you forgotten about all of their blatant violations of the Constitution? Have you forgotten about the SCOTUS seats they have stolen. Have you forgotten about the tax breaks they gave themselves while the middle class got poorer? Have you forgotten about the Billions that the 1% earned during the pandemic as everyone else got poorer bcuz GOP did not prioritize ending it? Have you forgotten of 4 years of Donald Trump's corruption rubber stamped by the GOP? The list goes on and on and on."

I say this with love chica but you sound like a loon. Please stop watching MSNBC nonstop and get some perspective.

Grown Up Politics means you don't cry about the sky falling the second the other side attains power or passes laws you don't like. That's my point. That's why I said liberals need to pick at least 1-2 Republicans they can tolerate instead of painting with this broad brush. Because if you're just going to go scorched Earth over every Republican and act like they're the second coming of Hitler, people start to tune you out. Yes, even other Democrats.

If the perception is that the GOP has NOT gone too far to the Right, that is a big part of the problem right there. The GOP is pretty much neo-nazi Trump cult these days. If that isn't too far to the right, that is a huge problem beyond every other word of your post and every other thing you believe about this country.

You stop watching Fox and Newsmax and Russia Today, hon, and wake up to the reality in this country.

Just as a test case. There is a perfectly sensible nominee for the Fed right now. Joe Manchin hates her for daring to mention climate change. "Sensible" GOP Senators like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski could vote for her, and absolutely should. Will they? Probably not, because of the cult they are in.

R205 "The GOP is pretty much neo-nazi Trump cult these days". Again: the more you employ this breathless rhetoric, the further away from the center YOU move, not them.

Democrats are losing ground. You bitched and moaned about Trump for four years. Got him out of office, and now all you want to do is spend the next four years bitching and moaning about him and the people who still support him.

We bitch and moan about Trump because he tried to steal an election, the GOP is still 100% okay with that, and he is still very much on the scene and again, the GOP is very much okay with that, indeed whoring for him every chance they get.

You are a ridiculous cunt if you think Trump has in any way, shape, or form gone away and we should all just forget about him. Yes, Democrats are in trouble this year, and that actually says something really, really awful about this country. The fact that this country would love to hand more power over to the party that flat out tried to steal an election by force in January of 2021 says something truly disgusting about this country, and the fact that you are 100 percent fine with that makes you a worthless, treasonous cunt.

Sorry for the breathless rhetoric, cunt.

Smelling salts on aisle R207. You just made R206's point and, frankly, cunt isn't effect it just embarrasses you.

Hills. Bill will probably be dead then, and she'll garner sympathy.

R207 I don't think Trump tried to steal the election. I think he honestly thinks it was stolen from him. Not to go tit-for-tat, but you can't defeat Trump by being stunningly hypocritical. In fact, brazen hypocrisy is what makes men like Trump not look so bad.

You sat back and watched them investigate Trump for two years over the Russia collusion narrative. You had sitting Congressmen openly speculating about him getting arrested while in the White House...hoping for it. You had members of the Intelligence community drumming up the conspiracy that he worked with Putin to steal the 2016 election. And after the Mueller investigation, not only was Trump not charged with anything, neither was anyone else involving the case in chief.

People who think the 2020 election was stolen didn't get two years, a Special Counsel investigation, and millions of dollars to investigate every voting irregularity and chase spitballs the way Democrats did.

But all of that is water under the bridge. You got what you wanted: Trump's out, Biden's in. How about you hold Biden to even half the standard that you hold Trump to, since he is now the President and all.

R210 guess you missed Trump's antics in Georgia???

There's talk of him traveling to Europe. Don't do it, Joe. It will make my old prediction come true and I don't want to be right.

An Amy Klobuchar/Katie Price ticket will do just fine thanks.

oK, I guess we have to ask, what is your mysterious prediction, R212?

Well, I think Trump DID try to steal an election because he is the kind of cunt (oh, sorry for your senisibilities r208) who simply cannot stand the thought of being the giant loser that he so obviously is. He whipped up a mob to storm the Capitol because having failed at every other attempt to steal the election, this was his sad last attempt. He failed, and the fact that he tried is pathetic enough. But even more pathetic is every whore in the Republican Party who just can't bring themselves to admit that that is what happened, and that they are 100 percent complicit in treason at this point. They should all be in jail, but at this point, you are not wrong, whore, they will probably control at least one house of Congress in November. That is a truly pathetic thing, and I do hope it can be avoided. But it probably can not.

Also too, did Biden try to steal an election? Did Biden lose but decide that he magically won because, some shit? Is that what you mean by holding Biden to some mythical standard that a cunt like you has never ever imagined?

^ Here we go. Calm down, Mary... you're not going to solve anything like that.

Joe Rogan. Run him and sweep the table

Oh nobody is going to solve Trumpistas r217. They are whores and grifters, like you, and there is no resolution. Honestly, did you think there was?

If calling names makes you feel better, R219, call names. People of your sort only have so much.

It does, r220. Thank you for caring.

^ I can never decide which is duller - untreated mental illness or low income. Or a twofer.

I suspect neither is dull, in and of itself, either mental illness or poverty. Basic Bitch worship of the rich, now that is rather dull.

It should be the 👸🏾.

Kamala is fabulous. Let's make America FABULOUS and BLACK again!

YAAAAAAASSSSSSS QUEEEEEEN

[Quote]Oh boy, I already see who I'm dealing with. I'd just say the perception is not that the GOP has gone too far to the Right, but that Democrats have pivoted too far to the Left.

R204 Name one policy Democrats have implemented that pivots too far to the left. Can you even name one? No you can't because you are talking out of your ass. EVERYTHING Republicans have done is too far to the right. They don't give a shit about anyone except the 1%. Yet you think that's ok. Still waiting for that trickle down the GOP has been promising you for the last 40 + years?

[Quote]Please stop watching MSNBC nonstop and get some perspective.

Bitch please. I watch several networks and I also read. Why don't you stop letting Fucker Carlson tell you how to think.

[Quote]if you're just going to go scorched Earth over every Republican and act like they're the second coming of Hitler, people start to tune you out.

What part of "they are a fucking cult" are you not getting? This is why Democrats continue to be fucked. You are as bad as MSM during the 2016 election when they treated Trump like a "normal" candidate and gave him the appearance of legitimacy. This is a neo-Nazi anti-American organization and you are a fool if you think they will ever do what is right for America.

r225: I voted 100% Democratic in the past few elections, but a little bit of me dies inside & questions that decision every time the Democrats throw another Green orgy.

Climate change is real... and inevitable. It's going to happen, regardless of how many lawsuits Green Democrats throw at energy-infrastructure projects to delay them.

Just cut to the chase like Florida is doing, assume the worst, and build to mitigate it. Raising roads by 3 feet might not get Green pussies all wet & tingly, but it's the kind of shit that will actually MATTER 25, 50, and 100+ years from now... when today's solar panels won't be good for anything besides crushing up into glass to use as fill dirt.

The future isn't "green", it's "gray" (ie, concrete. Lots and lots of it.)

Trump, outside of the crazies, is over. His pro-Putin comments of late have especially ended his appeal. But I have never seen a concensus as strong as the one emerging for DeSantis among Republicans. From remaining country club Republicans thu The National Review to the average Republican voter. They believe they have a winner baring a scandal. I think DeSantis will win in 2024, both the primaries and the general.

The Democrats will need an extraordinary candidate to win. The only who might beat him is Biden himself, with the incumbency on his side. He might just pull it off. But not sure he will be able run given his age and clear physical limitations.

Hillary was screwed by James Comey's last minute shenanigans in 2016, and legitimately won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes (well she was robbed in the Electoral College, too). Only in America do you have to win by a huge margin to actually win. Let the voters, and Hillary, win in 2024.

She got less than 50% of the popular vote. She won a plurality but not a majority when you throw in third party votes. Trump, Johnson, and McMullin won more votes combined. All right of center. are fine but just make the distinction. Ignoring this is one of things that has caused Democrats to overreach on the left and why they are likely to lose in 2024.

Meant to write "Pluralities are fine but..." ^

R225 I could make several policies but it’s a waste of time trying to have a reasonable conversation with a crazy person, so I’ll forego it. If you think it’s all Republicans fault, cool. Let’s see how that black if self-awareness works for you going forward.

R227 DeSantis isn’t more popular than Trump. I’m not saying he won’t become their new Golden Boy at some point but for now, DeSantis is just the pick for Republicans who really don’t want to acknowledge it’s still Trump’s party.

But Democrats are going to mess up because they’re going to try to take someone who isn’t as controversial as Trump and turn him into Trump anyway. Which will give Trump the boost he needs to get the nomination again.

And let me say this about this idea that Democrats are too nice and weak. Democrats are plenty ruthless, they just don’t know how to fight their own battles or get their own messaging across without the media or corporate business helping them. CNN and MSNBC can’t make Joe happen, and they have expended a lot of their political capital on BBB and blaming Joe Manchin for playing ball.

So because the news media can’t effectively get their talking points to stick, and corporations are more gun shy about boycotts and whatnot given COVID, Democrats have to actually do the grunt work of selling the people on their message, but they can’t. That’s why they look weak.

[Quote] I could make several policies but it’s a waste of time

R231 I am not asking you to "make" policy Grandma. HAHAHA! I am asking you to NAME one that was IMPLEMENTED that was too far left. You can't because you are completely full of shit. You fucking NAZIs come on here and want to dismiss the Democratic Party and lump them in with the far left (who have not passed any of their shit). You like to argue "both sides" which is just a lie. The few policies Democrats have been able to implement have been reasonable.

The GOP passes the crazy shit but you want to ignore that and just tell Democrats to bend over and take GOP policies up the ass! You are not even making arguments that make any sense. Just admit you are a Republican and support the destruction of Gov't instead of trying to hide behind the facade that you even care who the Democratic Party nominee is. What are you even doing here?

Boil it down, Dems have three main problems: they fight in public for every reason from trying to build pressure around policy choices to good old fashioned ego wanting to be on TV yapping. It sounds like they spend more time talking than doing.

Second, in voter perception, AOC and the squad and Jaypal and the lot are the Democrat equivalent of Taylor Greene and Boebert and Cawthorn. The same, only different. They go a long way to shaping perception. Most people don't pay a lot of attention, they've got kids to get to soccer or to protect from random gunfire, depending on where they live.

Third, lack of belief in government. Americans are particularly greedy and allergic to government, or at least admitting they need government. So the Republicans can successfully paint the Democrats as tax and spend loons, especially when the Democratic loons are talking tax and spend on an epic scale and seem constitutionally unable to describe anything in terms other than your moral obligation to spend your money on somebody else. Voters don't don't stampede to the Democrats because they Republicans are morally and intellectually bankrupt. The number needed to swing Congress or the Presidency can switch parties or hold their nose and vote Republican for the perceived benefit to their own bank account. The country, to its peril, isn't like the other western nations. Too many Americans have no identity unless they're clinging to the living nightmare of the American dream, which hasn't delivered broadly since the 1970s, but USA! USA! USA! isn't really good at admitting they got it wrong. Trust in government is the hardest problem to solve because it's down to show, don't tell.

There are a handful of Dems can talk in ways that put Democratic policy in terms a lot of people can hear. One is Joe Biden. Another is Pete. Landrieu seems like one. Funnily, Bernie's one too, although he's talking plain about moral obligation most of the time. But there aren't a lot of them. So Dems limp along, preaching to the choir, running their mouths to the media for their own ends and not the greater party good, and hoping a mass shooting or anxiety about choice will swing enough suburban women their way to get them across the finish line in Novembers.

[quote]Hillary was screwed by James Comey's last minute shenanigans in 2016, and legitimately won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes (well she was robbed in the Electoral College, too). Only in America do you have to win by a huge margin to actually win. Let the voters, and Hillary, win in 2024.

It’s not like Hillary didn’t know the rules. She knows how the Electoral College works, and she didn’t have a strategy. Throwing million-dollar fundraisers with Beyoncé in Hollywood doesn’t win you votes in Michigan and Wisconsin.

R233 I don't necessarily think Americans are greedy and in denial about government. I think the main point of contention is how much the government should be involved.

As bad as it might sound, I've always thought that the route to being a Republican at some point is simply by getting an education, getting a job, getting married, and having kids. Eventually your perspective on things is going to change. But the more people we have who don't work, have children they can't take care of, have children out of wedlock, and don't bother to emphasize education, the more people you have who invariably rely on the largesse of the government. Just because some people may have a finite amount of sympathy for others doesn't mean they have none and doesn't mean they're greedy.

And Democrats save all their tough talk for people they're not afraid of offending. It's like the abortion conversation in a recent thread -- I would love if a Democrat came out and said, "look, I support a woman's right to choose, but it's increasingly becoming harder to feel a massive amount of sympathy for women who get pregnant with children they have no desire to raise or see to term." Instead of implementing a little bit of tough love, they want to be the parent who lets the kids eat ice cream for dinner on Their Night. So then Republicans have to always be the Strict Parent/Bad Cop and it's bogus. And yes, the same goes for Republicans as well. I'd love for one of these pro-2nd Amendment advocates to tell Republicans, "you're for the right to carry, but yet you defend cops when they shoot unarmed citizens. Seems like the police are the main ones who don't support your right to carry." There are several issues where I don't think there should be a wild difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Sad that no one on OP's list can garner even 10% in the poll, even from Datalounge.

Random other Democrat leads with 26%.

[quote]Random other Democrat leads with 26%.

Hi!

^ NOT YOU.

R203, "Hope they remain highly effective Senators for the rest of their careers (which, Bernie, honestly ...)"

REMAIN highly effective? Sanders has been a Senator for like 75 years, and what has he accomplished?

R225: 'Name one policy Democrats have implemented that pivots too far to the left. Can you even name one? No you can't because you are talking out of your ass.'

He can't name one because they've been so far to the extreme left that they were never able to BECOME policy.

Sheesh.

The Dems will win no matter who runs, as long as the Repugs put up someone like Mike Pence.

I supported Hillary's both 'runs' as President. In both efforts, her campaign managers and operatives did not deliver. If she tries again, get top-notch strategists and listen to them.

Bill Clinton had an outstanding team that knew how to respond quickly, form successful strategies, and how to message.

R166: The problem with Beto is that he straddled the fence too much. He should have gone either more centre-right, or become full on woke. For example, when he did that stupid road trip his advisers should have had him dressing like a modern day transsexual cowboy. They also should have had him admitting to experimenting with members of the male persuasion while in college and having a liking for pink panties and dresses.

R241 You are making my point. YES, the far left has a lot of EXTREME policies they want to implement, but the Democratic Party controls their crazy folks. Those policies do NOT get implement. What comes out of the Democratic party is reasonable.

The GOP is just the opposite. Instead of controlling their crazy right wing extremists, they have allowed them to take over the party. This is why the GOP is so dangerous!

R243 I fully supported Hillary in 2016 but I won't support her in 2024. That is gonna be a NO from me. I cannot go through another Democratic defeat at this point in history. She had her chance and blew it against the worst candidate in the world. Sorry Hillary but it is time to give someone else a shot - someone who can WIN. All I care about is winning at this point!

Now, R244, I don't think your post is motivated by the [italic]national[/italic] interest, but that's just me...

[quote]He should have gone either more centre-right, or become full on woke.

Stop with the woke shit. A word used by the left but now defined by the right. The new political correctness.

Or do you mean full on woke to the autocratic fascist Republican Party?

R248 I agree. It is time to retire the word "woke." I cringe when I hear it because 95% of the time, it is used incorrectly.

It was originally an urban term used to raise awareness of Black issues. The right uses it to discuss everything on the left they hate to blur the lines so they can be openly racist. You are right, they distorted political correctness in the same way.

It's funny how MAGA was created as a means of oppressing minorities women and gay by harkening to a time when all those communities were drastically marginalized, yet Democrats had ZERO success in exposing the true meaning of MAGA. That never stuck.

Democrats biggest problem (for whoever runs) will be messaging. They have got to better with that and have everyone on the same page if they are to have any chance of winning.

"Democrats are wondering how they could possibly be losing to a defiantly delusional GOP in party preference matchups. One answer is that midterm elections are always tough on the party in power. Another is that Democrats have been falling into rabbit holes too.

Their illusions are explored in “The New Politics of Evasion,” a new study by two veteran political analysts, Bill Galston and Elaine Kamarck published by the Progressive Policy Institute.

Galston and Kamarck, who served in previous Democratic administrations, dissect three persistent myths that blind their party to today’s electoral realities.

First, people of color don’t think alike or see themselves as fellow victims of societal oppression. Second, working-class Blacks and Hispanics generally have more moderate views than college-educated and affluent white progressives.

“Democrats must consider the possibility that Hispanics will turn out to be the Italians of the 21st century, family-oriented, religious, patriotic, striving to succeed in their adopted country, and supportive of public policies that expand economic opportunity without dictating results.”

The second myth is that economics trumps culture.

But social, cultural and religious values are intrinsically important to U.S. voters of all stripes, whatever their economic circumstances.

Democrats will need to embrace cultural moderation if they want to get a hearing on their economic agenda. Even so, working-class voters seem more interested in better jobs and prospects for upward mobility than hand-outs from Washington. Aspiration, not redistribution, seems to matter most to swing voters.

Third is the myth of a progressive ascendancy in the Democratic Party. In fact, the party is about evenly split between self-described liberals and moderates and conservatives. Among U.S. voters generally, Galston and Kamarck note that only 7 percent describe themselves as “very liberal” and only 9 percent associate themselves with the democratic socialist policies of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and the House “Squad.”

This is not their first rodeo. Way back in 1989, they wrote the original “Politics of Evasion,” which punctured the consoling myths Democrats fell back on to rationalize a long string of presidential defeats. That analysis helped make the case for the New Democrat renovation of the party’s agenda and Bill Clinton’s subsequent success in snapping the Democrats’ losing streak. "

No more old person. They have to be younger than 70. They also need to be articulate and be good speakers and be in front of cameras now.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar - She's been effective in the Senate. I didn't like her when she first ran but she has a calming presence when she talks.

Rep Eric Swalwell - He's outspoken and not afraid to fight with the Radical Right. He's also young and vital-looking.

Gov Gavin Newsom - I live in CA and impressed with how he's handled Covid. He could be a leading figure but agree about the hair gel, maybe get a crewcut or a different hairstyle.

[quote] First, people of color don’t think alike or see themselves as fellow victims of societal oppression. Second, working-class Blacks and Hispanics generally have more moderate views than college-educated and affluent white progressives.

Tell that to R249, who thinks being "woke' is fine and it's all about "messaging".

Well, Democrats have learned that,

1] There are no more rules about crap happening right before an election.

And

2] People have the memory of gnats. It is all about the news cycle.

Conclusion: The Democrats will hit the fan this October. Not before.

R241 It’s also a disingenuous question. When was the last time Democrats we’re in the position to “just pass” something? I’d say that was about ten years ago when they passed Obamacare and promptly lost their majority. One could argue Democrats have spent the last five years doing little but trying to get Trump and laying the blame on Republicans regarding COVID. Maybe that’s why they have lost so much ground with voters.

Oh, just shut up, R254. The Dems have been touting Biden’s achievements but the MSM is run by corporations so it’s ignoring them.

Why blame it solely on the Dems? We’re facing resistance from the corporate media

I couldn't live in a mind where everybody else is to blame for your failings.

I'm amazed at the number of Democrats who live in bubbles. Republicans do as well, but we're not talking about them at the moment.

R252 Is clearly the REPUBLICAN I was referring to who misuses the word "woke." And if you read my post it clearly says the word should be retired, specifically because of morons like you!

R257, we are talking about them. Without whaddabout you'd have to talk about solutions to the actual problems for Democrats.

R255, so you're actually saying CNN, MSNBC, not to mention ABC, CBS and NBC are all trying to get Republicans elected?

[Quote]so you're actually saying CNN, MSNBC, not to mention ABC, CBS and NBC are all trying to get Republicans elected?

R260 No, they just don't give a shit which is tantamount to being the same thing. I am not R255 but clearly the MSM is comfortable with the GOP running everything. They covered Trump like he was a flawless rockstar. Other GOP politicians get similar coverage. Journalistic integrity is out the window. It is all about Clickbait and putting as much money in their pockets as possible.

They use every excuse to pick at DEMS and demand "Bipartisanship" at every turn, knowing that is impossible. Yet when GOP is in power they "celebrate" with them in the Rose Garden with never a mention of Bipartisanship.

It is more lucrative for MSM not to give a shit about Democracy, so guess what, they don't!