Whitney Houston’s Secret Lesbian Torment Uncovered in New Book

She danced like a dyke.

How many times are we going to rehash this?

This is news to us!

R2 - that's what I was thinking. Although maybe there hasn't been a book explicitly about this? There have been some Whitney life story and drug pieces, but not exclusively about her lesbian relationships.

Outside of the LGBT community, I think this maybe isn't widely known still.

I wonder how Bobby felt about this? He seems like he would be homophobic. Didn't Whitney also have gay male friends? Some of New Edition like Ralph Tresvant pinged.

I'm still confused! was Whitney gay or bi? if bi, did she like woman more than men, or vice versa?

Robyn just wrote a book about their relationship a couple years ago. She did a whole press tour talking about how they were romantic when Whitney was a teenager, and how she ended up in the friend zone when Whitney's career took off.

Whoever wrote this is just capitalizing off the 10th anniversary of her death. This stuff is ancient history and it is well known that Whitney had that lesbian experience when she was a young woman.

R5 even if Bobby was homophobic, he probably loved lesbians and like most straight men was turned on by his wife’s bisexuality and probably pushed for a three way

People on DL don’t really know how most straight men think

Baby, they need to throw this book out with the bath water.

[quote]I'm still confused! was Whitney gay or bi? if bi, did she like woman more than men, or vice versa?

Whitney was a lesbian playing the role of a non-lesbian. It happens.

Bobby Brown stated when WH was alive that she was "bisexual." He knew she liked girls.

I'm just pissed off that so many beautiful divas fucked up their gene pool by getting with such ugly men.

Whitey and Bobby. JLo and Marc Anthony. Beyonce and Jay-Z. Did they think their genes were so strong to counter the ugly of that sperm?

We've got to set some priorities and put a stop to this once and for all.

Bobby had said that Whitney should have been with Robyn. So he was well aware of his lesbian tendencies. This is what Bobby said about Whitney and Robyn:, "I really feel that if Robyn was accepted into Whitney's life, Whitney would still be alive today. She didn't have close friends with her anymore."

They like having power over them R11. It's narcissism and vanity. Beautiful rich women assume because they are beautiful and such that the men will stay loyal and worship the ground they walk on. Of course that's not true and most straight men get bored and seek novelty. J Lo and Beyoncé also married for money too.

This is lame. Bobby Brown is an addict for decades. Is he also a secret lesbian or a secret gay? People use drugs because it feels good. By the time you figure out you have a habit, it is too late.

[quote]Outside of the LGBT community, I think this maybe isn't widely known still.

Believe me, it's widely known. The problem is that people (including Whitney's own fans) still cannot bring themselves to openly admit that the woman was in a lesbian relationship. Robyn gets treated just as bad as Bobby does on some of these message boards. And it is a shame, because Robyn (while not perfect) was a rock to Whitney in ways that no one else was. The denial runs deep.

Her family was more welcoming of having R.Kelly sing at her funeral than acknowledging a woman whom at one point was the most important person in Whitney's life. And admitting that two grown women could be in a loving consensual relationship and deeply care for each other. Shameful.

The closet kills. It helped kill Luther and it helped kill Whitney.

The author, Gerrick Kennedy, had this to say about his reason for writing this book:

[Quote]“This is needed for our people,” Kennedy gushed. “We don’t get this kind of scholarship, we don’t get this kind of critical thought…and I really wanted to have that in the world.”

[Quote]Through this book, Kennedy shared he was able to work through his own grief, and in a way, his own guilt when it comes to Houston and how celebrity culture has evolved. “I think there is a way in which we inadvertently are all complicit in how we treat these people,” he explained.

[Quote]Kennedy explained that he truly wanted to dive into how, “the way in which our relationship with Whitney is still rooted in tragedy, and her tragedy but also in our judgment of it.” Through diving into not only her history but how that is connected to us as an audience, Kennedy shares that he hopes the book, “is permission for people to celebrate her in a particular kind of way.”

R13 - married for money? LOL - to Mark Anthony? Nah - that's not it. I will say that they probably married men with massive egos who negged them and treated them like they weren't huge stars - which is the exact opposite of worshipping the ground they walk on.

Only JLo came to her senses.

Whitney looks beautiful and happy in that photo with Robyn.

R16 - not sure I totally believe all of that, but I will say that many gay and lesbian pop stars have been treated like dog shit once their sexuality is known. I remember all the jokes and rumors about Freddie Mercury, George Michael, Ricky Martin, Elton John and others.

It's all too familiar story for most gay and lesbians - oh, you loved me before you knew I was gay, but now I'm a source of ridicule and disdain. It's not easy to live with.

[quote] Bobby had said that Whitney should have been with Robyn. So he was well aware of his lesbian tendencies. This is what Bobby said about Whitney and Robyn:, "I really feel that if Robyn was accepted into Whitney's life, Whitney would still be alive today. She didn't have close friends with her anymore."

That's what Bobby says now, but at the time, I think he and Robyn didn't like each other. I saw a documentary and Robyn went on tour with W&B. It was a tense situation.

Mark Anthony is hugely successful in the Latin market. J Lo wasn't. She's an American actress who released hip-hop pop in the early 2000s. She doesn't speak Spanish and can't sing. Marrying Mark helped get her clout in the LatAm music market with the collaborations she did. She used him just like she used Diddy.

[quote]Believe me, it's widely known.

No, it isn't. Not to the layperson who merely listened to her music, but didn't pay attention to her personal life.

Bobby is a liar like all junkies. He just wants to make himself look better in the aftermath.

Addicts lie to keep the party going. Nothing matters except getting high and staying high.

Didn't Bobby get kicked out of New Edition again?

She seemed like such a sweetheart when she was in the “How Will I Know” music video, so adorable, but at the end she just seemed like a loutish crack whore.

Yes I know it’s uncharitable to talk about addition like that, but damn what a *steep* fall.

addiction ^^^

It’s pretty well established that Whitney‘s family were parasites, and Cissy is as homophobic as they come. She was aghast when Oprah asked her if she would’ve taken issue with Whitney being gay. Cissy thought it was the craziest thing question because DUH!!! There’d be nothing worse than a gay daughter!!!! In the Whitney doc, you could tell her shady ass brothers hated Robyn. I find her to be the most sympathetic figure of the lot.

Here is the interview where Cissy doesn’t exactly come off as even kinda sympathetic.

Narcissistic religious stage moms will fuck you up especially if you're a lesbian. If Madonna wasn't such a jealous bitch and tried to befriend Whitney, she probably could have convinced Whitney to cut off her toxic family like she herself did.

R29 I'm kinda surprised Cissy would feel that way. Not only is the entertainment world full of gays, but the gospel music scene is bursting at the seams with them. So sad she chose to remain so negative about it.

What about the notorious triangle, Whitney-Kelly McGillis-Jodie Foster? Surely Robyn wasn't the only one.

Whitney was also a contender for the role of Sondra Huxtable on The Cosby Show. Given what a pervert Cosby was and how Sabrina Le Beauf was rumored to be his mistress. It probably was best she wasn't chosen. Though Whitney would have been a better fit and way better actress too.

R30 huh? Madonna was friendly with her, they never hung out but they were friendly and both said nice things about the other but they were two completely different types of performers, Whitney was THE VOICE, a vocalist , Madonna was a show woman/dazzle dazzle performer, I’ve seen both in concert and Whitney was good but Madonna put on a SHOW, A spectacle

And why would Madonna be jealous of her? only time Whitney eclipsed Madonna worldwide was during the Bodyguard era but by the late 90s Madonna was easily eclipsing her again

Madonna wrote this:

"It's so unequivocally frustrating to read that Whitney Houston has the music career I wish I had, and Sharon Stone has the film career I'll never have. Not because I want to be these women because I'd rather die, but they're so horribly mediocre and they're always being held up as paragons of virtue or some sort of measuring stick to humiliate me."

It was taken out of context and seemed more directed at the press for comparing her to them for shallow reasons. Whitney being a pop singer and Sharon being a sexy blond with red lipstick who also acted.

R35 yes that was during Whitney’s huge Bodyguard era, when Madonna went through that bad backlash in 92-93, eventually the tables turned and Madonna got a lot of her lost fans back and Gaines new fans with the “kinder , gentler Madonna” of the mid to late 90:

She went from selling only 6 million copies of Erotica, her lowest selling album at the time on 92-93 to selling 20 million copies and winning 4 Grammys for Ray of Light in 98-99

Strange O would go there given her long term relationship with GAYle.

r13, Like gay men don't?? lol

Whitney had no common sense because of her upbringing. She didn't have enough sense to realize Bobby was a flash in a pan pop star who's career was over by the time she got with him. Getting a football player, a Hollywood actor or rich CEO to have as a beard would be smarter. Whitney was beautiful and many successful men would have happily married her for the bragging rights. Marrying Bobby, her drug buddy was a dumb thing and procreating even more stupid.

I get the feeling Jermaine Jackson was wooing her too. She dodged a bullet too with him because getting dragged into the Jacksons probably would have killed her even faster.

After seeing the interview (Oprah) with her mother, I could understand Whitney better. Her mother sounded impossible, horrible.

Also, her brother changed his last name from Garland to Houston. Sister in law was on the payroll, it seems.

At some point, W's father sued her (breach of contract, I think).

She needed to cut off her entire family, frankly. At least business-wise.

Her brother was the individual who turned WH onto drugs. As long as WH made money everyone, people not only looked the other way, drugs were secured for her..

R41, I know the brother admitted to that, but IMO, W would have started with cocaine, whatever drug, with or without her brother. But agree that everyone was living off of her.

On Being Bobby Brown, it seemed like Bobby's drug of choice was alcohol. He was stumbling over his own shoes in one scene. Bobby said that W turned him on to coke and I would not be surprised.

It's frustrating because Whitney's 1998 album, My Love is Your Life was her best work and showed she could have still gotten hits in the 2000s with the right producers.

I always thought Cissy Houston was jealous of Whitney's beauty and success, particularly because her cousin (Leontyne Price) and cousin (Dionne Warwick) were also such successes.

Cissy had a couple of disco hits - but she was mainly a backup singer for main acts, outside of her gospel career.

She looks like the epitome of a old religious bitty who uses her Bible and piety to control everyone around her. "I didn't want that fame because I'm with the Lord" - ok, so why the solo albums that didn't hit?

Plenty of church women like this, acting like martyrs for their families and Christ but in reality, they didn't do much differently than any other woman would do - or probably did MUCH LESS.

A'right then...

That dance was hilarious, never to be duplicated by any couple.

We will not be ignored Klan Grannies!

Houston, we have a vulva.

There was a time when the Star and the Enquirer had reporters attend 12 step meetings in LA and NYC and report on what was said, thinly disguising it was a 12 step meeting. I remember two - one about some soap opera actress, the other about Bobby Brown. The Bobby Brown one had him telling the other participants about his resentment of Whitney's gay side and I think specific resentment about Robin. His mentality seemed to be her gay cohort, principally Robin, was influencing her in the wrong direction. So it was a long time ago and obviously his mindset was uneducated about it.

Darn it, I misread the post as Whitney’s secret lesbian tournament. I was hoping she had some good, wild time of which I was unaware.

Let’s hope she had one before she died, R50.

Nothing new here. Whitney was so obviously gay before Clive took over and bade her the black hetero girl next door. It screwed her up very badly. I also don’t think Whitney was very bright which didn’t help.

She gave off a lez vibe during the My Love is Your Love era.

r1 🤣

Secret Lesbian Torment sounds like an early-90s, all-girl post-punk band.

I don’t fucking care

I give Cissy some kind of perverted cred for owning her prejudices, which no doubt were based on deep christian bigoted faith. Oprah was TACKY as fuck the way she probed and Cissy brushed her off. I agree with the above. Oprah had a lot of chutzpah asking these questions considering she's a likely a closet lez herself. Cissy should have said - "why are you asking me these questions, Oprah. Ask yourself - why are you a LEZZZZBIAN and not so comfortable about it?"

Whitney also snarked at Madonna in an interview saying "I don't want to be like Madonna, who will burn herself out."

[quote] Believe me, it's widely known. The problem is that people (including Whitney's own fans) still cannot bring themselves to openly admit that the woman was in a lesbian relationship. Robyn gets treated just as bad as Bobby does on some of these message boards.

That's very true. If you go to LipstickAlley's Whitney Houston message board, her hardcore female fans drag Robyn about as much as they do Bobby. They hate for anyone to bring up rumors about Whitney being a lesbian.

Come on, every body knew.

So who was Whitney fucking when she beat up Jodie Foster? Was it Kelly or Jodie? I've heard it both ways.

R57 - I don't give anyone credit for saying out loud that they wouldn't be happy about their daughter being a lesbian.

Poor Whitney - Clive Barker was making her into this wholesome hot girl-next-door image when she was only 21. Then her mom, who had a hard time seeing her cousin Leontyne Price hit it big, then her niece Dionne Warwick hit it HUGE, and then her daughter?

Whitney must have had sooo many conflicting messages and expectations of who she was supposed to be by sooo many people. She couldn't be herself no matter what.

And let's not forget - AIDS in the early 80's made anyone being gay and lesbian persona non grata. Not that it was open arms before, but that certainly had an impact - and no one differentiated that lesbians were the lowest ones infected with HIV of all groups.

Last comment a propos of nothing - what a family of singers. To have Leontyne Price, Dionne Warwick and Whitney Houston all closely related - that's some genetic talent right there. Everyone knows about Dionne - but nobody mentions the connection to one of the biggest opera stars, Leontyne Price.

So was she fucking Jodie Foster or Kelly McGillis?

Whitney supposedly had an affair with both of them.

I ate that pussy like Karen Carpenter stress binging at a Golden Corral buffet. The only difference was, I didn’t try to throw up because I felt guilty afterward.

A very close friend of mine was a limo driver in L.A. back in the late 80s. He told me, back when it happened, that he drove Whitney and (iirc) Kelly and that they had their tongues stuck down each other's throats the whole time. This was way before rumors about her sexuality started circulating. My friend told me because he was, needless to say, very surprised to have witnessed it.

Whitney supposedly had every A list lez. So she had both Kelly and Jodie.

Whitney could also get ghetto. She went ghetto on Jodie and beat her ass.

R66 - rumors about Whitney was abundant in the gay community in 1987. I can attest to that.

I've posted this before - but every single famous person that there were rumors about being gay or lesbian - rumors floating around in the gay community - turned out to be true.

Kelly McGillis, George Michael, Jodi Foster, Whitney, Queen Latifah, and many many others. Every one turned out to be true.

R62 I said perverted credit. I means he stuck to her rigid morality despite being put in the hot seat by famous Oprah on a big show.

R8 Why do you write this shit ALL the time?! Nobody cares about you being a “bisexual guy.” You are so annoying!

R62 You mean Clive Davis. Clive Davis would not have have hung Whitney from a ceiling and tortured her. However Clive Barker would have. Barker is the same sicko that transmitted HIV to his male cousin.

R69 Any who didn't? Tom Cruise comes to mind, for example?

And you know Oprah is a lesbian how? DL? Lol

Clive went forward with his party while her dead body was still in the building a few floors down. I thought that was really awful of him but he never got any shit over it.

Poll: worse mother Cissy Houston OR Agnes Carpenter?

Whitney ate snatch.

I remember how beautiful she was in that The Bodyguard movie with Kevin Costner. :(

Whitney did always give off this self righteous manner in interviews and did make slag comments about Madonna...

FUNNY then how it's madonna who outlasted her and didn't need or get hooked on drugs... and who, madonna, had NO connections in the business to make it, much less make it MONUMENTALLY huge, like Whitney did.

R53 not Whit x Georgeous looking so beautiful and happy having fun together😍😍😭😭😭😣

If only gay-lesbian solidarity were like that irl

Whitney came across self-righteous because she was talented and had worked at her craft. Most talented singers and musicians would act self-righteous towards talentless pop stars. Madonna got bashed by plenty of other musicians too.

R67/R68 it’s hard to imagine how a Whitney/Jodie hookup would have gone, just because they are such different personalities and vibe, but not really complemetary either.

Like Jodie is the very slightly older and ostensibly butcher, but then she was also more introverted and less of a global megastar/idol, so did she cede to Whitney all the sexual control? Or was Whitney sort of pillow, making Jodie do all the work and direct?

[quote]Nothing new here. Whitney was so obviously gay before Clive took over and bade her the black hetero girl next door. It screwed her up very badly.

Whitney looked like a complete dyke before Clive Davis ordered her to get a makeover to look femme and glamorous.

R81... whitney acted self righteous in every way, about everything and everyone....like oprah...

A cousin (gay) found himself next to Whitney on a beach in Honolulu in the 90's. He said she was very rude to the servers. He lost respect for her as a result.

The next book will detail Whitney pussy-licking technique

I wonder if these two ever hooked up.

Why was she secretly torturing a lesbian? That seems creul!

Christianity was another major factor in her downfall.

It’s fundamentally a patriarchal desert cult set up to oppress women. A gay woman of independent talent and means could never have been served well or taken care of in an ethical way by such a structure.

If only she & Robyn had been Pagans😞😔

I do remember lezzy rumors years ago. When I was in college in the 1980's Whitney hosted a short-lived, late night show that had a number of R&B singers guest. When Regina Belle guested, Whitney seemed like she was coming on to her and we commented on that.

Whitney definitely should have followed Madonna's example and kept her leeching family at arm's length. Madonna had to do that with her own family or they would've driven her insane. She knew it and she had no regrets. It's a shame Whitney didn't have that kind of awareness.

R82, lesbians don't take roles the way (some) gay men do.

R67, add WNBC anchor Sue Simmons to Whitney's list.

r83: DAMN! Whit was an adorable baby butch!

She looked so lezzie before the glam makeover.

Of course, Clive Davis, who was in the closet most of his life himself, revamped Whitney's image so she could appeal as the girl-next-door goddess to the masses. But Whitney was never convincing in that persona and lacked sex appeal.

It's too bad she rejected Robyn. She seemed to be the only one who had her best interest at heart and didn't use her as a money-making machine.

Honestly I can't blame Clive too much given the time period and her background. There was no other way to really market her at the time. And clearly it worked well and made her a superstar. But the issue was she needed a good head on her shoulders and cut off all of her toxic family. She was surrounded by users, grifters and yes-men and it led to her downfall.

[quote]The closet kills. It helped kill Luther and it helped kill Whitney.

Luther and Whitney both had very religious and dominant mothers, but I don't think the closet killed him. All his siblings died of diabetes related issues before him. He was the youngest in the family.

R5 tbh at least half of New Edition ping to me, and have had substantial rumours floated about them.

We all know the deal with Johnny Gill. It’s also suspected that Bobby B. would hustle for drugs G4P back in the day. Ralph I agree does come over zesty somehow, and is close to Johnny. Iirc Wendy Williams on her old radio show hinted at Mikey Bivens liking MTF guys. Then there’s Ronnie DeVoe with his bisexual ‘open-relationship wife drama....

I was raised on Whitney, and Clive’s Pygmallion act on her was so convincing that when she started to act street, I remember thinking it was a total put on and affectation to combat the “White-ney” criticisms and Soul Train booing. It came off as so inauthentic at the time and it turns out- that was indeed the real Whitney, not the polished pageant Queen act she seemed to perfect in the early years of her superstardom.

When I first saw her "My Name is not Susan" video, I remember thinking, "This girl is a lesbian!"

Who was that black woman gossip columnist in the 1990s who paraded around PROMOTING Whitney's "heterosexuality" and marriage to Bobby Brown? She spread rumors based on her "inside info" that Whitney was pregnant and then miscarried, blah blah blah.

R101 Flo Anthony. She was also the go to person for whatever shit the Jacksons got themselves into.

Even if you were just following the music, as R100 shows, the I'm Your Baby Tonight era was rife with lesbian innuendo.

The video for the title song's ending raised a lot of eyebrows when it debuted back in the day.

I think if Whitney had debuted in the 90s. Then she could have been more real to herself. Hip-hop and new jack swing brought back the urban aesthetic. But the mid-80s was the Reagan era where there was still racism and black artists were held to a double standard. She had to be more of a Huxtable bougie girl than a hood chick to get on MTV and appeal to suburban America.

Climb Every Woman

[quote] I'm Your Baby Tonight era was rife with lesbian innuendo. The video for the title song's ending raised a lot of eyebrows.

Why? Bc Whit does MJ choreo? Bc the Dietrich dapper references? Bc Whit drove the motorcycle at the end, or the passenger was of ambiguous sex?

^ I love that song. Whitney's story is so sad and it is a shame what happened to such a great talent. There will never be another voice like hers again.

R107 the recording for that song has the greatest backstory.

Whitney only did one (perfect!) take, and refused to do more—because she wanted to make it to the nearest big mall and shop before it closed.

R69 what era was it when there were posters all around NYC of different artists in the same genre only one was LGBTQ? I remember Whitney was "gay' but not who her compatriot was - maybe Mariah or Madonna? It was a whole thing for awhile.

The jury is still out for me on whether or not she was a lesbian. I’m sure she and Robin had a relationship. But I also think women fall in love with the person’s heart, rather than a sexual way. But before Clive Davis got a hold of her, she looked pretty butch.

"But I also think women fall in love with the person’s heart, rather than a sexual way."

You make me laugh, R110

Women are just as sexual as men are. Men just have a stronger sex drive and more wired for the visual. Women still have sexual attraction. Sexual orientation and romantic attraction line up like 99% of the time. Whitney's taste showed she definitely liked hot young women.

I wonder if Brandy and Whitney had a thing. Brandy does give bisexual vibes and she's still so obsessed with Whitney even till this day.

r92

[quote]lesbians don't take roles the way (some) gay men do.

This is a joke right?

R113 or how about Tweet? She was Missy’s for a while, so maybe Whitney had her too.

Tweet worked with Whitney once, and like many black singers of her age idolises her.

If you mean by "role" as in dominant and submissive. That's not really a gay male thing. That's a pretty universal feature in both straight and gay relationships.

Before Whitney's album debut. She was a teen model and was doing commercials. She was offered a role on The Cosby Show as Sondra. I wonder if that dirty pervert Cosby was trying to seek her out and make her part of his harem. I feel she would have been way better than Sabrina Le Beauf who was so boring and dry.

Let me guess, R114, you're a gold star gay.

Even though Whitney was stunning and talented and rich, it still must have been hard for her to have a normal lesbian relationship with that insane family and that religious brainwashing and that scrutiny. She was probably so lonely. Heartbreaking to think about.

R90 yes, I’m not crazy! I was a huge fan since 1985, & my sister told me, around ‘86 or ‘87, that it’s no wonder I was a fan, since she was a lesbian. She said that there was a late night show Whitney was on, it sounded like a cable access show before she “made it,” on which she came out of the closet. I always believed she was at least partially right—your description sounds more accurate.

[quote]Given what a pervert Cosby was and how Sabrina Le Beauf was rumored to be his mistress.

Seriously??? I never heard this one. I thought she was one of his victims. You mean she willingly fucked him?

When she was on her meth binges however, she stuck dildoes up her pussy—according to the picture of her sex paraphernalia sold to the tabloid by her sister-in-law, I believe.

Would a real lesbian use a dildo??

R122, your sick.

R123, no, it’s a real thing. Bobby Brown’s sister sold pics of Whitney’s drug den to the tabloids. I believe some of the pics showed dildoes

R123. My sick what?

In her last weeks before she died she hung out with Kim Burrell. She was a product of her upbringing which she couldn't and probably didn't want to leave behind and had she lived maybe would have become the same bigoted churchie her mother was.

Abrahamic religions are all evil. They took Prince & Vanity from us, too😞

Let's see it if you "believe" you saw it, R124

R32 That triangle story was made up. Kelly said she never even met Whitney

Link, R129?

I never bought the "Bobby introduced Whitney to drugs" bit. She was a model before signing with Clive. She must have been offered stuff during those days. Nell Carter probably offered her some coke when Whitney was on Gimme A Break!

10 years after her death, people still managed to leech off her. Surprising that the people who kept trashing her reputation are the people closest to her, including her families, ex-husband, when other people have nothing but good things to say about her.

Very sad. Was her daughter set up so someone could get a hold of her inheritance?

People keep trying to rewrite history. Whitney and Robyn had an intimate relationship when they were young women, but they both moved on. People act like you cant have friendship with someone who you hooked up with when you were teenagers.

Whitney liked dick too, everyone forgets she was getting her freak on with Ray J, Brandy's brother when she separated from Bobby. Whitney did the fuck what she wanted to do, she was not "tormented". If she wanted another woman she could have one.

As for Bobbi Kristina. That child, God rest her, was a mess way before Whitney died. Whitney herself passed that down to her, she was not "set up". Whitney allowed that boy into their house/lives so the rest was just collateral damage.

R130 Am I Google?

She and Robin made a striking couple.

[quote] Whitney did the fuck what she wanted to do, she was not "tormented". If she wanted another woman she could have one.

A black woman from a religious black family, with Cissy Houston as the matriarch - no.

She couldn't have had even Robin to begin with; she did, and then had to put a stop to it whether she wanted to or not.

Fucking tragic.

[quote] Whitney did the fuck what she wanted to do, she was not "tormented". If she wanted another woman she could have one.

A black woman from a religious black family, with Cissy Houston as the matriarch - no.

She couldn't have had even Robin to begin with; she did, and then had to put a stop to it whether she wanted to or not.

Fucking tragic.

[quote]Whitney liked dick too

^ Key words so some people's head doesn't explode

Bisexuals aren't real on Datalounge apparently

r138, maybe when she was a teenager or some shit, but after her career took flight, all during her 30s and 40s? Whitney was a grown ass woman who did whatever she wanted.

Whitney apparently admired Brandy and Aaliyah. Who's to say she didn't make a pass at them. Brandy herself seems to have this obsession with Whitney that goes beyond just idol worship. Whitney was a pretty woman, young dykes and bisexual girls wouldn't turn that down.

If you don't understand this by now, R141, then I don't think you ever will.

If you don't understand this by now, R141, then I don't think you ever will.

I think it's less Whitney's environment and more she was just a codependent person who attached herself to others and she was too submissive to disrupt her family. A lot of people grow up in religious and homophobic environments but leave if they have a strong personality and are willing to take a stand and lose family. Whitney just lacked that temperament. It's really an individual basis. Whitney had more courage to live her truth, she may not have been a huge star but she would be still alive likely with a wife maybe still doing music nights at a local jazz joint.

r141 Cissy said more than once in that video (that's not new to me BTW) that Whitney was at the age where she had no control over who she decided to be with. She wouldn't like if Whitney was a lesbian, but she had no control. So again, Whitney made her own decisions about who she was with, just like she decided to continue using.

[quote]They like [bold]having power[/bold] over them [R11]. It's narcissism and vanity. Beautiful rich women assume because they are beautiful and such that the men will stay loyal and worship the ground they walk on. Of course that's not true and most straight men get bored and seek novelty. J Lo and [bold]Beyoncé[/bold] also married for money too.

I don't know if this applies to Beyoncé. Jay-Z, as far as I can tell, definitely holds the power in that relationship. He cheated on her repeatedly, is 12 years older than her, started dating her when she was like only 17 and inexperienced (supposedly still a virgin)...he clearly has her wrapped around his finger. And per his song 4:44 linked below, he emotionally neglected her for the majority of their relationship and she still stuck by him.

Beyoncé gives the illusion of power and independence when in reality, she's completely submissive to Jay-Z to the point of mental slavery. That would explain why she's even with someone who's clearly less physically attractive than her. It's some sort of mental stranglehold that man has on her. It's actually sad.

^ On second thought per her song Partition and its video, it's obvious as hell that she holds the submissive role in that relationship.

"Take all of me, I just wanna be the girl you like. The kinda girl you like." Come on, now. That power dynamic leans in one damn direction and it's not hers, lol.

[quote]I think it's less Whitney's environment and more she was just a codependent person who attached herself to others and she was too submissive to disrupt her family....

Oh, yes, not REALLY a lesbian, check. That's what my grandmother (born on 1930) says to calm her heart. Carry on, octogenarians.

R149 Naw she was either a lesbian or bisexual. I was just saying she lacked the will to leave her dysfunctional family. She was impressionable. Not everyone is a rebel who can strike out on their own. Some people are sheep. Whitney didn't even take control of her music either. She was just used to taking orders. Her only form of rebellion was drugs.

Beyoncé would do well to get rid of this jerk and start eating pussy. I mean it. She looks like she would be much, much happier with women.

Interestingly, she is another case of black woman from a black religious family with a controlling mother, and a temper to acquiesce to all the homophobic shit that usually comes with that kind of background.

Think Oprah: technically, she can do whatever the hell she wants. She has a woman for a partner, for God's sake. For all practical purposes, Gayle King is her wife - only thing is they never signed papers. But Oprah still keeps paying a beard and trying to pull a straight façade, because she does not feel free. She doesn't. Billions cannot buy her that type of freedom that she won't just give to herself.

The day a very high-profile black woman decides to just live her life normally without hiding her sexuality, it will be a fucking revolution.

Da Brat got married to her girlfriend recently. Queen Latifah adopted kids with her partner (granted she took forever to come out).

r149 and others, I will never be convinced that Whitney Houston was long suffering because she was so deep in the closet...sorry, homegurl had too much money and power to be ashamed of what mommy and daddy thought of her liking pussy.

Most out gay African-American celebrities come from the same conservative families and that doesn't prevent them from living their lives. Whitney did everything else she wanted to do in her life, so if she wanted out she could've been out. Whitney was an addict, that's what truly tormented her.

Missy Elliot, Alicia Keys and Mary J Blige just need to come out.

r154 Alicia keys and Mary J Blige are not lesbian. Alicia Keys make herself look like on in 2002 though.

They are not high-profile in the way I was speaking of, R152.

R155, Alicia Keys is indeed a lesbian. I can fucking guarantee you. I've known it since I first saw her on TV, in 2001. But she'll mostly likely never come out.

Missy Elliott will. Don't know about Mary J. Blige.

Also worth to mention: Missy Elliott can at least admit to herself that she is a lesbian.

Alicia Keys, OTOH, absolutely cannot. I've watched her struggle with it for 21 years now. She suffers immensely and cannot put her finger on it, so deep is her denial, even though, in the back of her head, she knows. But her issue with it runs so deep she semi-manages to bury these thoughts and what she knows about herself. I've seen a thousand dykes go through exactly the same. They never come out on the other side of it. Thus, they never come out.

R151 Beyonce isn't gay, just because you made it up in your head. And Oprah's partner isn't a female, he's a male. Her best friend is female, though. Nice try.

R156 You can guarantee us that Alicia Keys is a lesbian cause you saw it while watching her on tv? You are a bloody idiot. She cheated with a married man and broken up a marriage and a family. How lesbian of her.

R158, all I said is she'd appreciate the pussy. And she would.

You seem to have no gaydar, R159. That's fine too.

r157 seems to me like she's living her best life 🤷🏽‍♂️

You seem to have no grip on reality R160 That's fine too

Hi, R161. I think you're also R153, who wrote:

[quote] I will never be convinced that Whitney Houston was long suffering because she was so deep in the closet...sorry, homegurl had too much money and power to be ashamed of what mommy and daddy thought of her liking pussy.

You see, even Oprah, who's thousands of times richer and more powerful than Whitney ever was, is deeply ashamed of what all of America and the world might think about the fact she likes women. So there must be something else at work there.

I welcome your opinion, but I don't see why you insist that Whitney would've had absolutely no qualms about dating women if she had so wished (same thing with Alicia Keys). We've been talking about the difficulties black women have with regard to living their sexuality freely, and how having money and power won't help matters, as they have deep-rooted fears that have to do not only with their immediate surroundings, but also with issues pertaining to black people history. Imagine being gay as a slave, then gaining your freedom, and having to fight to keep it - you're already a woman and black; would you want to add "gay" on top of that? These things don't go away within only a few generations, or even a dozen generations, sometimes. Consider all this.

Hey, R162. Take a look at all of the above - it might be food for thought.

R163 Except that Oprah is only gay in your delusional mind, so everything you said is pointless.

I think people don't want Whitney or Alicia to be gay because they were pretty and thin and like makeup and dresses. Same logic as people who didn't accept Amber Heard was a lesbian. You can only be a lesbian if you are big, fat and strong looking. Nobody had an issue with saying Queen Latiah, MC Lyte and Leslie Jones are lesbians. Nobody was surprised when Raven Symone came out because she was also masculine and butch even in all the girls clothes. I know many dykes from the hood. They get shamed by their moms and aunts but the dudes don't care.

R165 What a bunch of bullshit. The only reason why people think Alicia is gay is because she's a tomboy and dressed like a stud when she first came out. Make up and dresses? And it's not that people don't want Whitney and Amber Heard to be lesbians, it's just a fact that they were/are not. They are/were bisexuals. Google that word if you don't know the meaning.

It sounds like a title for a bad Lifetime movie: Her Secret Lesbian Torment: The Whitney Elizabeth Houston Story. You have to use three names for the main character; it's Lifetime.

[quote]The only reason why people think Alicia is gay is because she's a tomboy and dressed like a stud when she first came out.

She actually addressed this years ago. She admitted that she had a tomboy/masculine persona as a way to protect herself from men in the hardcore streets of NY.

I can understand where she's coming from 100% because I did the same thing, and to this day still present masculine. And lesbian rumors followed me all throughout middle school and high school because of it, also. I didn't care though, because I'm not attracted to men, anyway, either. But still. It's funny how androgyny goes hand in hand with sexuality in people's minds. Now, it's even worse thanks to this transgender narrative. I'm now assumed to be part of the Ts in the community when I'm not. All because of wardrobe choices. It's all very silly.

R168 Who are you attracted to if not neither men nor women?

Neither, r169.

When I saw Alicia Keys for the first time, I didn't even see what she was wearing. I could only see her face - it was the Fallin' video. 14-year-old me thought: "Girl's a lesbian, and she's never coming out".

She's been pretending to like dick to this day.

[quote]I could only see her face

Huh? What video version were [italic]you[/italic] watching?

Alicia is gay. This was told to me by a legendary black actress who is bi (but she's not out either). I'm a guy so I have no skin in this game My impression is that a lot of men and women in music, as in all Arts, are gay and closeted

R172, your thumbnail answered your question.

[quote]Alicia is gay. [bold]This was told to me[/bold] by a legendary black actress who is bi (but she's not out either).

The only word that matters is that of the individual themselves. People told a lot of people I was gay, also. And...they're incorrect.

[quote] My impression is that a lot of men and women in music, as in all Arts, are gay and closeted

Nah. We're just weird.

they were cute together tbh

R175 is an asex woman who has a deep knowledge of the Bible, is a former PA in the movie industry, used to dress in baggy clothes to protect herself from men in NY, and likes to insist that closeted gay people are actually not gay.

What is up with all that?

Oh, and she was also sharing blowjob tips such as "pretend you like it, even if you don't", and "remember that it will be over soon". What in the heaven?

[quote]What is up with all that?

Aside from you being nosy, nothing of any significance. Why are you even worried about it?

Whitney should have played this small role from Grace of My Heart.

R170 Are you a robot?

R171 Yes, omy sure she's pretending to like her husband's dick every night when she sucks it.

How is using ignoredar being nosy, R179? Anyway, I'm not worried, just puzzled. You seem bitter to the extreme, and out of touch with reality.

Good luck with pretending to like dick, by the way.

I recall watching as her handlers tried so hard to feminize Alicia Keys, She was on some show wearing a dress and was so awkward

Most women pretend that way, R182.

Secret ?

[quote] Most women pretend that way

What a miserable life that must be.

R185 If you think that most women only pretend to like dick, you are dumber than dirt.

[quote][R185] If you think that most women only pretend to like dick, you are dumber than dirt.

Imma just...leave this right here...

And if you're always putting words in people's mouths in real life like you just did mine in R188, you must be all-around insufferable indeed.

Go back to giving men you're not attracted to those robotic blowjobs of yours, darling. By the way, why would you do that in the first place, given your ass is asex and all? For a payday? Don't tell me you were trying to find a husband (which is the same thing, really).

Don't bother, R189. Her ace pussy can't understand even the most basic stuff about women, sexuality, and people in general.

R184 Same with Raven-Symone. Was always a tomboy who could glam it up at times. As a young girl she rocked braids and liked baggy jeans sorta and had a Left Eye/Missy vibe. But when she signed on to Disney. They tried to make her a super girly girl like a black Hilary Duff or Lindsay Lohan. She never looked comfortable in those neon colored and overdone outfits she wore on That's So Raven and on the red carpet. She was never tied to any guy romantically at that time and she claimed she was more focused on work than dating. Yeah right...

[quote]Don't bother, [R189]. Her ace pussy can't understand even the most basic stuff about women, sexuality, and people in general.

Dude. I'm both r189 and r175. r188 is someone else.

Go eat a Snickers, r190. Apparently, you start ragingly mixing up anons when you're hungry.

It's fine, R192. I'll go get a Snickers - you go get yourself a psychiatrist.

While you're at it, go find another message board. This is a gay forum, and a gossip one at that. Stop stinking up this gay gossip thread with your "Liberace was not gay because he never said so" beliefs.

Fortunately, my confusing anons can be cured with rest. Your rudeness, OTOH, can only be cured with death. Best wishes for your next incarnation - hope you get a better personality then.

[quote]Fortunately, my confusing anons can be cured with rest.

Your optimism is commendable, but I'm afraid that even a prolonged medically-induced coma is not enough to cure level of asinine and inanity you demonstrated in this thread. Sleep tight.

Don't fight with others or lose you lunch, just read R189's link and be done with it. I don't know why so many of you are threatened by this, it's not like you have to have sex with Whitney or these women.

^To be fair, r193 quite literally started with me for no damn reason.

No, R196. R193 is correct on all counts. You're a bully, and you've been hijacking this thread in the most annoying way, what with all your derisive assertions that these celebrities could not possibly be gay.

Follow R195's advice and give it a rest.

Once again, r197, [bold]there is another poster (possibly a third) in this thread that has primarily been going back and forth with you lot on this.[/bold] All of my posts in this thread are listed in the signature at r194. I only chimed in at r168 with my Alicia Keys cosign disagreeing with the gay rumors, also, due to a similar personal experience.

Get your anons together. You are arguing/disagreeing with multiple people. It is the other person that has been leading that back and forth. Now, chill.

Whitney'sh life washzz sho, sho shad.

R190 I'm not even into men, you braindead idiot. What the hell are you blabbering about, you lunatic?

R189 Well you shouldn't have just left this here. This has nothing to do with what was being said. Not having orgasms isn't the same as not being into dicks.

[quote][R189] Well you shouldn't have just left this here. This has nothing to do with what was being said.

You. You are who they think I am. You and your...shit.

[quote]Not having orgasms isn't the same as not being into dicks.

The argument is that most women pretend to like dick and you disagreed. I posted a link that shows you how dicks, on their own, are actually not satisfying to 80% of women. Most women can only come through clitoral stimulation. A penis is not necessary for that to occur and, frankly, gets in the way. Even at male strip clubs, most women don't actually want to see a penis. Because it is...just not that appealing an appendage to gaze upon, even with most straight women.

So, the statement that "most women pretend to like dick, anyway," while obviously hyperbolic, rings true in many ways. Most men have absolutely no idea how to satisfy women with their dicks and should probably consider a mass exodus toward only fucking each other and/or remaining single out of respect and mercy. -_-

R202 Yep, you are an idiot.