Hot hookup places in Genoa City

Why do people watch this shit show! Literally nothing has happened in about 5 years. I tried watching once in awhile over 2 years and lapsed into a fucking coma. The Newmans and Abbotts both fucking suck.

Does Rory talk about his brave decision to play Noah as if he was in a coma?

I wonder if Kevin and Mikey ever ran into each other at the Route 12 rest stop, perhaps on opposite sides of the same glory hole.

Noah's daddy likes to show off his 10x6 at the steam room......

Someone posted this in another thread. Discuss amongst yourselves.

[quote] I am so tired of Y&R's obsession with Victor Newman winning all the time. It is so annoying, redundant, and off-putting. I can hardly understand a word Eric Braeden is saying. He constantly mumbles. The show needs to find a new bag of tricks. I would really like to see Ashland Locke get the best of Victor, but there is a 99.99 percent chance that will not happen. I have gone back to fast forwarding when Victor appears on the scene, especially in scenes with Michael. There was an episode this week when either Victor or Nikki said that Victor is always two steps ahead of everyone else. Please. Give it a rest.

Beth Maitland was supposed to be getting a HUGE storyline. Did JG abandon plans to move Traci to the front burner?

Given the fact Genoa City is home to several multinational corporations including Jabot, Newman, Newman-Locke and Chancellor Industries, but only has ONE restaurant, I'd say there must be lots of underground spots for hooking up.

However, since Society is the only restaurant in town, you'd think the lines would be out the door and the wait for a table would he hours long . The fact there's never any wait for a table and frequently empty tables in the background suggests something is wrong with the place.

Billionaire Victor Newman inexplicably doesn't have an office anywhere, so he conducts his business meetings at Society or Crimson Lights. Bizarre. Very strange town.

Just ask Mitchell Sherman. He knows where all the boys and stable hands hang out.

Ask Danny Romalotti.

Hey don't look at me I'm totally in love and committed to my beautiful sexy wife!

Lauren Fenmore

Adam and Rey were doing something called "docking" in the men's room at Crimson Lights......

I am so tired of Y&R's obsession with Victor Newman winning all the time. It is so annoying, redundant, and off-putting. I can hardly understand a word Eric Braeden is saying. He constantly mumbles. The show needs to find a new bag of tricks. I would really like to see Ashland Locke get the best of Victor, but there is a 99.99 percent chance that will not happen. I have gone back to fast forwarding when Victor appears on the scene, especially in scenes with Michael. There was an episode this week when either Victor or Nikki said that Victor is always two steps ahead of everyone else. Please. Give it a rest.

I'm not insinuating anything about Jack Abbott, but I did hear him inexplicably scream out the word "Snapper!" when he was fucking Jill in that cabin years ago.

Thanks, R5. I didn't see your post until I posted mine.

Who mumbles worse? Hans or Maurice B.? They're both unintelligible.

R15 no worries, wanted to be sure it was shared.

I believe Eric Braeden actually had it put in his contract at some point that there are certain things they cannot write for Victor, and that he usually has to triumph, or if he loses, it's temporary and he has to approve the story first.

Just as Braeden won't speak to Soap Digest for even the tiniest thing unless he is on the COVER.

So yes, we have to see Victor's stinky overcooked bratwurst face in triumph over and over. Gag.

R17, if they are giving actors the luxury of approving stories, then that says a lot about why the shows are in the shape they are now.

Sharon Case is looking pretty good lately.

Has Camryn ever heard of an elliptical machine?

I think Braeden's had that clause for a while now, as Lady Geary likely did over at GH.

How I long for the days when, after breakfast, Miguel would escort Master Nicholas to the tack house, and assist with his boots, saddle and riding crop.

I used to watch but got sick that there were no gay characters yet the African Americans were some of the richest folk in town. That's very realistic.

[quote]I believe Eric Braeden actually had it put in his contract at some point that there are certain things they cannot write for Victor, and that he usually has to triumph, or if he loses, it's temporary and he has to approve the story first.

I remember he did an interview a few years ago, where he was upset that his family was acting out against him and he should disinherit them and have nothing to do with them. I think he was basically responsible for Jack being held captive by an insane Dixie Martin (or whoever Cady was playing) for months which was bad even for Victor standards. I know Susan Lucci overpraises Erica from time to time, but she knew she was a control-freak with issues and responsible for her failed relationships. Braeden seems to have no awareness that Victor is a villain and treats his family horribly.

Back when I was watching AMC, especially before its decline, its villains and gray characters (Phoebe, Erica, Adam, Palmer) usually had things blow in their face and have to rebuild a bit before they landed back on their feet.

Danny Romalotti is such a queen!

I used to jerk off to Brad..

That is all.

Don Diamont's son Alexander is HOT!

Don Diamont has SEVEN sons!

That man is masculine and virile!

Not all seven of the sons are his biological children.

One of them is his late sister's son who he has raised as his own.

I believe another one is a step-child from the wife's earlier relationship.

The rest are his biological children.

Lathag found out that Donald Feinberg had rediscovered his Jewish faith, which led to Don doing his Bar Mitzvah when he was an adult, so with that info she decided to totally retcon Brad Carlton and turn our erstwhile Speedo-clad Hedge Clipper into Jewish Boy, George Kaplan, and we ended up with the gawd awful Reliquary Story with the ENATs on the hunt.

You didn't like seeing Brad kill a man with his thighs?

The reliquary story was EVERYTHING!

R31 It was more laughable than anything, and not very exciting, because Thighmaster George was wearing pants.

[quote] Danny Romalotti is such a queen!

He never sucked MY cock!

r26, join the club. Don, Grant Aleksander, and Robert Tyler completed my trifecta of JO material.

ewwwww

Camryn Grimes looks like shit.

Spoiler:

[quote] Noah is still hung up on Tessa and tries his best to ignore his feelings for her. Noah winds up having a dream about Tessa, which troubles him greatly.

Stinky story. It wasn't some grand love story. There wasn't even any chemistry, and I doubt that would improve with Sleepytime Noah. Plus, they already did the ex-husband thing with Tessa and her onetime singing partner, Tanner. Boring.

r14

I never thought Jack was gay when TL played him(ironically)

R28 Not all of those seven sons are Diamont's bio kids.

One of them is his nephew (Drew) that Don began raising after his sister died.

Another two are his step-sons (Lauren and Sasha) who came with his first wife, Rachel, when they got married. .. He and Rachel then had two of their own (Zander and Luca). You can tell those two got the Diamont genes .. lol!

The two blond fraternal twins (Davis and Anton) are another story. I think when his second wife, Cindy, was still single, she wanted kids and got pregnant on her own - something like that. Anyway, the press has sometimes referred to these boys as "Diamont," but both boys use "Ambuehl" on social media, and the one has posted photos of them with their actual bio-father, who is a natural blond like they are.

The two HUGE Ambuehl twins even make Don look small.

DAMN those are big strappin' lads

The bio dad must be tall, but they're even bigger than him.

Don Diamont is 6’1”. Those twins are frigging giants! They look like they’ve got a foot on him.

Those twins must indeed be giants. They make Don look tiny.

So, out of seven kids, only two of them are Don's biological children.

R24 It’s clear he can’t keep his ego separate from his role. IOW, his character can’t be a crappy ass family man and a bottom feeder, he will always have the need to justify. Despite his age, he’s not evolved as a performer to have the character be a villain and just play it at face value. What a disservice to the audience which never gets ‘payoff’ in seeing this shit head and bozo lose.

[quote] Don Diamont is 6’1”. Those twins are frigging giants! They look like they’ve got a foot on him.

Wow, those boys are BIG.

I didn't realize how big, until you mentioned Don's size.

The one on the right has bitch tits. Don never had those.

R46 Correct.

The four sons whose mother was Don's first wife, Rachel, got some of their looks from her side of the family. This is her with her brother in 2012.

The huskier one is Anton Ambuehl, the one with curly hair is Davis.

Anton's athletics profile says he's 6 ft 6 while Davis' Twitter says he's 6 ft 10.

For years, Don Diamont was involved with Gloria Loring, Alan Thicke's ex.

I wouldn't mind being the filling in a Chance/Noah sandwich.

^Michael, get off the fucking computer!

PS, Traci is still as big as a whale!

Don was also involved with Eileen Davidson after she left Y&R the first time.

NuNoah is so boring. Lifeless.

Imagine all the cum soaked socks in the Diamont household when his so s were teenagers.

Vee, who’s in the biz, is being toxic over at the SON Y&R board. Vee is a mess!

Two non-hookup questions:

1. Does Tessa not have any family members in Genoa City (or anywhere)?

2. Whose egg was fertilized with Devon's sperm to create Dom?

When did the Abbott mansion shrink?

Tessa has a sister somewhere, R60; there was a sex trafficking/prostitution storyline involving her, and I think she went into witness protection or some other type of hiding after testifying. I started watching the show again a few months ago and she's been mentioned in passing once or twice in that time, but I couldn't say in what context as I'm frequently not paying full attention.

...and the egg came from Abby, who can't carry babies after whatever happened to her when she was pregnant with Stitch's kid (pushed down some stairs by his other kid?).

Anyone else think this baby health crisis will reveal that the egg was fertilized with Chance's one and only viable swimmer and Duhvon *isn't* actually the "father"? It is, after all, a stupid storyline deserving of a stupid ending.

The really stupid part was how easily Abby and Chance capitulated to Duhvon without even a hint of fight, all because Chance was worried that he was a bad father. Uh, ok...

And that Abby delayed their meeting the other day due to concerns that once they sign this custody agreement there's no going back, unlike that pesky sperm donor agreement they signed.

Is it a true, current line of thought re: babies, that if a parent is in a terminal bad mood, his/her children need to be removed from the house?

Look at it this way, in six or seven years Dominic will probably be SORASed to 18 and whether there's a custody agreement or not wouldn't really matter. As a legal adult, he'd be looking to connect and have a relationship with his bio-father anyway. This will save all that fretting and fussing over finding out the truth and developing a relationship with his "real father" at that point.

Speaking of which, right before the rapist and con artist from Mynanmar did her time in the nuthouse, she was squawking about becoming more involved in Johnny's life, since she's his bio-mother. Billy and Victoria didn't seem too happy about Chelsea's pronouncements. Now that she's back, have they dropped that storyline?

In Bill Bell fashion, I wanted this to remain a secret, where we had Johnny and Connor fall in love at age 16 and just before they're about to have sex, Billy and Adam burst in screaming, "You can't! You're brothers!"

[quote]In Bill Bell fashion, I wanted this to remain a secret, where we had Johnny and Connor fall in love at age 16 and just before they're about to have sex, Billy and Adam burst in screaming, "You can't! You're brothers!"

I could go for that. The minute I heard AW was moving Jake and Vicky to ATWT, I wanted Steven Frame and Luke Snyder to fall in love at 16. They weren't brothers, fortunately, but I held onto that idea until the actors became a gay couple, Deran and Adrian, on Animal Kingdom. And of course, it's even better than it would have been on a P&G show.

Tessa is a waste of space. No lezzys on my stories!

Tessa is a gloabally famous singer and Mariah is the CMO of Jabot, yet they live above a coffee shop?

When is the air date of the next episode where Morrow takes his shirt off? I'll be there for that.

I do not have a problem with lesbians on Y&R (or on any soap for that matter), but I can't stand boring stories and characters. I think the story would be more interesting if Tessa had a personality. That way, you could understand why Mariah, Noah, and Tanner wanted her. The Tessa and Mariah story is a bore, and them seeking to adopt a child does not make things any more interesting. Why bring an innocent child into this snoozefest? On another note, Michael is an accomplished lawyer, and he has become Victor's PI trying to investigate Ashland. The scene where Michael was questioning Nate in Society was downright embarrassing. The character deserves better. The Sally-Adam-Chelsea storyline and Ashland/Newman-Locke storyline (minus Victor) are keeping my attention. At this point, the show might as well send Jack and Phyllis away for three months.

And Syphyllis owns the Grand Phoenix hotel, but her "home" there looks like the same, one room that they have everyone else stay in .. lol.

The hotel's owner would live in a large, top-floor penthouse. It would be a fabulous apartment with a rooftop garden.

Tessa and her nasally voice makes me turn the channel.

Just Say No! to lezzies on TV. I don't want to see no girls making out while I'm eating lunch. Enough to loose your appetite.

I was so hoping Noah's heart was broken in London by a male.

[quote]Enough to [bold]loose[/bold] your appetite.

Enough said.

Is this is a safe space to discuss "From These Roots"? It was my favorite soap.

Now that Victoria is taking over Newman Media, to rankle Adam even more, I'd have her hire NuRafe Torres to be the company's Chief Legal Officer.

This is when we also learn that Rafe is actually Rey Rosales' cousin, with their mothers being sisters. Rey and Rafe just haven't seen much of each other, since Rafe has been working for a company in Chicago for the last five years.

At some point, when Sharon is concerned about Noah's state of mind, she mentions to Rey that she recently read a brief entry in Cassie's old diary where it sounded like Noah had come out to his sister. Rey suggests that they introduce Noah to Rafe and see if Rafe can get Noah to open up.

And open up Noah does.

Francisco San Martin IN as Rafe Torres (which would be rather ironic, since both he and Jordi Vilasuso played "Dario Hernandez" on Days).

At least you folks still have THE in The Young and The Restless. They took THE off The Guiding Light in 1977 and I’m still not over it.

[quote] The scene where Michael was questioning Nate in Society was downright embarrassing. The character deserves better.

I wonder if Chrissy is envious that Kevin Spirtas is getting to do the much-talked-about, late-in-life, gay storyline over on Days?

Back in 2009, when the big brouhaha over Engen not wanting to do the Adam-Rafe scene occurred, LeBlanc told SOD that he'd kill to play a character as complex as Adam and be in a story like that.

It sounded like he was bored with what Michael had become even back then.

Show hasn't done anything with Michael and Lauren in several years.

It's obvious that Josh Griffin doesn't care about the characters and isn't interested in writing for them. Hell, they brought Fenmore in twice in recent years and Griffin won't do anything with him.

I'd guess CLB is just happy to be acting, even if it is playing Consigliere to Victor.

Yeah, R81 - I think even back in the 00's LeBlanc was pretty realistic about all things career-related going forward. I remember he gave an interview back then. It was around a time when his contract was coming due. He told the interviewer that he was at an age where his real decision was whether to exit Y&R in order to give one last shot at trying to do something outside of daytime - or - stay at the soap and be satisfied that this would be where he'd be until the end of his career knowing the fate of older vets. .. Well, he chose to stay.

But he and the husband appear to have done well financially with the real estate, and he also has his artwork as a creative outlet. .. Plus, his reduced episodes at Y&R will probably allow the occasional stage production. .. With all that, he's probably satisfied (enough) to play Miss Congeniality to Kate Linder's Miss Hospitality.

My issue is the characters all seem to be having conversations instead of any real movement of plot. This is ridiculous. I understand character development but you can find a balance between the two

Camryn Grimes was a homely looking child and now she’s a homely looking adult. And fat.

Is Mariah experience lez bed death with Trasha yet?

Tessa needs dick.

Obviously they're going to come to the conclusion that adoption is just too difficult, and the easiest thing would be for Noah to fuck Tessa. Alternately, Mariah and Devon could go on the road with Bowie, say all summer long, and Noah and Tessa could be together again.

Someone's got to get Noah out of his clothing. He's been working out like crazy for years. Wish it could be Chance, but I don't foresee that happening.

Why adopt? As stated by a poster up above, "Tessa is a globally famous singer and Mariah is the CMO of Jabot." Surely these two have enough money to go to a sperm bank and buy some jizz.

And if they wanted to give Sleepytime Noah a "startling dream" to wake him up, then instead of fantasizing about Tepid Tessa. he should have had night-sweats about Step-daddy Rey and Half-uncle Adam spit-roasting him. Now that would be something to cause him to bolt upright in bed !!

Tessa and Mariah will have a big fight, Tessa will run out and start drinking at the bar at the Phoenix, run into boozing Noah, he will commiserate with her, take her upstairs to a room to sleep it off, where they end up having drunken sex. Then Tessa and Mariah won't need to adopt!

I knew two women who were using the "buy some jizz" method, r88. The one chosen to be the receptacle of said jizz almost died in the process, and was unable afterwards to bear a child. So it's not the first thing to come to mind.

I like r89's idea. Noah and Devon can accompany each other to "But It's MY Sperm" meetings ever after.

[quote] The one chosen to be the receptacle of said jizz almost died in the process,

Sounds like an a rarity, but how 'bout we springboard off that idea, and say Tessa does get pregnant from her drunken one-night stand with Noah. Then six months in, she goes into early labor and DIES from preeclampsia. The baby survives, though.

A) Tessa's death would cause long-term animosity between siblings Mariah and Noah ... and

B) If Mariah has married Tessa by then, who gets the baby? ... and

C) We've gotten rid of Tessa. Job done!

I don't watch any soap operas but Rory Gibson is truly lovely.

R92, Totally agree.

They should start calling her Cassie, since Mariah has lost all the edge she came to town with.

I hate Tessa. Meanwhile, why don't they get her sex-trafficked sister to carry their baby?

Poor Sally is starting to look like that marionette that hangs in Crimson Lights.

Sally is a totally useless character and the actress playing her is beyond annoying.

Sally and Tessa can both leave. Take dull Noah with them.

And get rid of Chelsea too. I don't know why they keep bringing duds like that back. I do think they're gearing up to have Chelsea involved with Rey though, setting up another Chelsea vs Sharon story. And then Adam will swoop in to take advantage of Sharon, and Nick will be self-righteous. Ugh.

I am loving this "Chelsea runs a fashion platform" story since they put the actress in some of the ugliest clothes possible, plus she has clearly gained a ton of weight.

Anybody find out what happened with Richard Burgi and getting replaced with Robert Newman? I don't buy the whole 'I didn't quarantine for 10 days' thing because it's like they had Robert Newman waiting in the wings already. The guy lives on the east coast and I don't think they could have just called him up and had him at the studio a few days later without some significant conversations and negotiating.

Why would they intentionally toss over a hot hunk of man meat like Burgi for a softer, lesbianic looking Newman? That makes no cents.

R98, Melissa Egan, who plays Chelsea, has just returned from maternity leave.

PS That said, the wardrobe department really DOES seem to have it for Egan and emphasize her weight gain with horribly unflattering outfits instead of trying to put her in more slimming clothes. Same with Camryn Grimes.

I listened to the Soap Digest podcast with Melissa Claire Egan recently about her return and it was curious to me that she didn't mention Mark Grossman once. They asked her to talk about certain people and she'd bring up her faves to work with, and not once did he get mentioned, and yet he's been a pretty consistent scene partner for years now. She gushed about Joshua Morrow, Liz Hendrickson, Greg Rikaart, etc. I wonder if there is something to that? Do they not get along?

[quote]they put the actress in some of the ugliest clothes possible

All the actresses wear some of the ugliest clothing I've ever seen. They look as if they're outfitted at The Dress 4 Less Barn. All those cutouts. All those sequins. Bleah. These are rich people?

Adam's wardrobe sucks, too.

Why is Camryn fat?

I think many of the actresses on daytime now are expected to bring their own stuff. Unless it's a special event, there's not enough budget for new items.

You mean Beth Maitland wears her own Lane Bryant and Torrid outfits on the show? Poor thing!

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Was Ordway in a car wreck? Her makeup today is barely concealing her facial bruising.

Who is Ordway? Emma Ordway? Molly Ordway?

I thought Jack's face looked strange on his first day back, r109. It turned out to be just a shadow in that scene, rather than the facial scar I thought I saw, as he looked perfectly normal later on.

Have they gotten so chintzy that interns are doing the lighting and makeup?

Great one, r110.

Dear Gawd in Heaven, I wish they'd kill Chelsea off. I have no interest in The Rapist and Con Artist from Myanmar. Totally pointless character. I see her as the female version of Cane Ashby.

One of her previous marks whom she swindled money from should show up in town and blow her away. They had the chance that one time when some enraged woman in California recognized her on GC Buzz.

Yes, Chelsea is a character who has long overstayed her welcome.

When Justin Hartley left, she departed soon after and I was thinking, "Wow, talk about someone who should have left years ago. Thank god she's gone."

Then after her unfortunate return when Mark Grossman joined the cast, they sent her off to the looney bin and then to take care of her mother. I again though good riddance!! But once again, she came back.

She's a bad penny that won't go away!

I think she' married to some CBS executive. That may explain why we just can't get rid of her.

This is funny. .. Robert Newman's "Josh Lewis" talks about Genoa City.

R95 = Chad Duell

When Zimmer inevitably joins, can you imagine the race to the craft services table between her, MTS, MCE, and Maitland?

R116, You forgot Camryn.

The Young and the Heifers

I really don't see KZ joining the cast, for a number of reasons. I'll be really surprised if it ever happens.

Kim Zimmer IN as Fat Lorie Brooks!

Kim Zimmer IN as Flo Webster!

Maybe Dr. Casey Reed needs to come to town to offer her medical expertise, r119

Do the elevators at the studio have a 2-ton weight limit? Maitland and Grimes would be enough to break it.

They would hire Zimmer if they wrote a storyline about dumpster diving.

Didn't we hear that Zimmer was MAB's first choice to play "JoJo Glover" ??

Sounds about right, since JoJo was a BIG loudmouth.

JoJo ran a bail bond shop and was an ex-con herself. She was a tough biker who liked her beers. .. Kay thought JoJo was her daughter. JoJo knew Tucker McCall somehow, and he'd manipulated this, since he was still trying to evade Kay finding out that he was actually the child Kay had given up for adoption. (Caroline Aaron played the role.)

Didn't Zimmer join OLTL near its end?

R126 She did. Between Slee, Zimmer and Strasser eating the scenery the show had to end. There were no sets left.

R104 I totally agree. .. You'd think the show's (gay) costume designer would have better taste. .. I guess we should be glad David Zyla is still dressing Adam in all-black, all the time, rather than one of his own 'colorful' fashion statements .. lol!

Let me get this straight (no pun intended)...Peter Bergman is straight IRL? He just pings big time to me.

nein

Aunt Jack just acts that way, because he learned how to emote by watching LaLucci when he was Aunt Cliff.

Have the budget cuts been so severe that Y&R can't even afford to change sets every now and again?

I mean, GH manages to have a good rotation of sets. Days is even doing a decent set rotation these days.

And the wardrobe budget must have been slashed in half. Some of the clothes people are wearing look like it came from Ross Dress for Less. And there happens to be a Ross Dress for Less store a block away from CBS Television City.

Meanwhile, wardrobe on GH is looking significantly better.

Should Y&R send some of its people to GH to get some budget lessons from Frank?

Zimmer IN as nuVeronica Landers!

I am very impressed with Josh as Ashland (Jash?). He's giving me some very good emotions and he had a great scene with Adam as his intro into the soap. Burgi was great too but he reminded more like he was delivering lines on stage than in front of a camera.

Y'all may say he looks like a lesbian but he still handsome to me

What is happening with the fashion platform?!! It’s the most compelling story in all of daytime!!!

Laughing at MTS trying to move in whatever clothes they stuffed her in today. Guess the budget for Spanx was cut as well.

[quote] I am very impressed with Josh as Ashland (Jash?). He's giving me some very good emotions and he had a great scene with Adam as his intro in the soap.

I enjoyed NuAshland's scene with Adam as well, but then Wimptoria had to join in. .. And please get rid of that ridiculous painting of her in the office.

The painting of Snoozetoria is the most interesting thing about her. It almost gives a camp aura over that horribly dated office set.

Soon it will be a portrait of me, Scoche Marin, hanging in the office as the definitive portrayer of Katherine Chancellor.

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Let's have Michael discover Ashland's hot Latin houseboy down in his secret Peruvian hideaway.

Of course, now that Michael's retired, that could give him the idea to stay there.

Poor Mel has gotten fat again.

^Your post implies that she lost weight at one point. But when was she ever not fat? I mean she's not as fat as Grimes or Maitland, but she's never exactly been Twiggy either.

Can you imagine the pushing and shoving that goes on when Mel, Beth and Grimes try to belly up to the craft services table?

Just wait till Zimmer joins the cast. There won't be a muffin or bagel left un-attacked.

R143 congrats, that's about the 5th time someone's made that joke in this thread

Congrats on being a cunty thread monitor R145

You're welcome! Smooches!

Zimmer IN as nuSally McGuire

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this show needs more hot men

When does Jordi take his shirt off next? CBS should send out alerts about that. That's all anyone wants to see anyway. I can't imagine anyone watching these dumb shows for the actual storylines.

TRANS ERASURE!

R151 Yeah, and in today's episode, it was ridiculous to show Chelsea having some kind of masturbatory fantasy about Rey and not have him appear naked to her in it. .. Even her fantasies are a bore.

And while on the subject of boring, if we have to listen to Billy talk to himself into a cellphone for a third of the episode as some kind of exercise on self-reflection, the least they could do is have him take up naked yoga.

Finally, the director needs to tell Conner Floyd (Chance) to not put his phone in his back pocket. It's spoiling the profile of dat ass!

Yawn & Rested is a god damn mess!

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Billy’s monologue was poorly acted and camp AF

The flat ass r153? I don't like how he plays Chance. He's making the character too much of a pushover to the point where he capitulates to Devon with no sense of internal struggle or hate for himself for betraying his wife. Even after all the crap Devon said about him he was smiling for him when they called him over to talk about Dominic's health. No bit of Chancellor in him.

camp?

It would have been camp, if Billy had done his monologue pacing around the room wearing a kaftan and smoking a cigarette.

Chance's ass didn't look flat today. And even with the knit hoodie, there was a nice curve to his lower back as well.

NuChance and NuNoah both suck.

Gee, I can't imagine why they're interrupting the Baby Dominic story with a need to extract his bone marrow. Can't imagine.

Devon will cuck Chance.

Sara Bibel must need serious therapy after being on this show for so long

R141 I wouldn't call her "fat," but those red Valentine's Day pants they put Mel in certainly don't do her caboose any favors.

Jesus, Noah is hooking up? It seems like just last year he was a baby.

Noah was born 25 years ago.

Not really that impressed with Dozy Noah, but at least he's not chubby or older than his big sister Mariah.

Mel was channeling Mrs. Wiggins for the Carol Burnett Show

That is a comment we've heard here before about Mel.

(Not saying that in a thread monitor way, but in a hmm, must be something Mel is doing to elicit that response way.)

The Mrs. Wiggins' thing is due to Mel's posture and gait when she's walking in high-heels and is trying not to fall over from her top-heavy udders. .. I think I first heard that comparison on Mediadomain back in the early 2000s.

Some troll here used to say it alllllll the time until it was over the top. But she does do it. And her Spanx addiction just emphasizes the over the top'd-ness of it.

Still, MTS looks good for 65.

To this day, I have never forgive Bill Bell for firing Erica Hope. Never!

I could be mixing this up with an actual Nikki storyline, but doesn't MTS have some back issues which combined with her top-heavy build and tight clothes contribute to her Mrs. Hwiggins posture and slower movements.

R173 She's mentioned in interviews that she had severe pelvic pain for years, because she suffered from interstitial cystitis, and it had been improperly diagnosed for a long long time.

MTS and Ed must have a very fulfilling sex life.

youch

The stories are so bad we are reduced to talking about Nikki Newman's cooter.

I wonder if Nikki is still stretched out from Arturo's BIG Cuban sausage?

This outake Canela put up is hilarious. .. You have to watch til the end.

Mrs Ah-Wiggins has the huge arse! Mel was such a bitch to Jeanne Cooper. Fat slob.

OP - Old school cruising areas include the mens toilet in Chancellor Park (northeast corner) and the GCAC Men's Steam Room. Lock the door there, though, so some stupid bitch doesn't try to sneak in. .. Also, the basement at Jabot still sees some action, but isn't nearly as popular now that JaBottom's moved to Italy.

As for Grindr hotspots, there's a reason why the parking garage at ChanceComm is referred to as ChanceCum. .. Also, several bellboys at the Grand Phoenix know which rooms are available for private parties.

Now that Billy and Lily are working from home, does that mean they will have new offices when they return to work? I like the new Chance better than the last one. I am hoping that they do not make Adam and Sally a romantic couple. I would like to see them stay as just platonic friends. I liked the scenes last week when Chelsea was telling Rey about her past growing up. I already miss Richard Burgi as Ashland Locke. I think the show might be leaning towards a Jack and Lauren affair.

You are probably the only one. The new Chance is fugly, is a horrible actress like Melissa Ordway, and has the sex appeal of a used tampon.

NuChance and NuNoah are basically the same piece of stale, dried toast. LastChance would've just beaten the hell out of Devon and we could have moved on from this bullshit baby story.

NuChance and NuNoah are both hot as fuck.

Melissa Ordway needs to get hit by a bus, have a piano dropped on her empty head. We need an actual actor with emotional range. Please God, kill this bitch.

It’s been maybe 15 years since I stopped watching this show, because characters like Victor, Nikki, Nick, Victoria and Aunt Jack were completely tapped out and boring.

Hard to believe this train continues on, (re-) telling tired stories with characters who need to be taken behind the barn.

I don't think NuChance is fugly but acting-wise, unless he's being directed to do so, he's not showing any nuance of a struggle with the whole Devon paternity thing and his PTSD. He's all too happy peachy and willing to yield to the demands of Devon with no regard for his wife or the insults Devon threw at him ("I don't think you're mentally stable to be a father to MY son"). I'm not a fan of MAGA Chance (for his politics and dismissive attitude toward COVID) but he handled the material better.

Old Ashland was sexy and had a devious, ruthless look to him, but NuAshland seems so natural with his acting. He made old Ashland look like he was just reading his lines. You can actually see there's something complex going on with Ashland now.

Who’s casting this show? NuChance and NuNoah are both terrible casting choices. I can’t imagine Robert Adamson moping around like this. This Noah is so down all the time. No life in him. Just awful.

I hate the new Chance too. This guy's supposed to be a genius working for the feds? He looks unclean and talks like a bro. And as others have said, shows no feeling or conviction behind the material.

I hope this health scare with Dom is leading down a steady path to Devon not being the father. What an insufferable troll he has become, and everyone celebrates his arrogance and delusion instead of getting him a room at Fairview.

Has Victor weighed in yet on this custody thing with his grandson?

Devon getting the bulk of Kay’s fortune above all others, especially Mac, never made any sense.

Ordway is the dullest actress in daytime. Bar none.

Why does Y&R have such a problem having an interesting man on canvas?

Not a huge fan of Adam but he's literally the only one of interest under 60.

They've wiped out on the various Kyles and Chances. Just....blah.

Every male character on the show has to be neutered in service to propping up Victor's alpha status. Even Adam now has to bend the knee to Snoozetoria. It's ridiculous and boring.

I like this Chance. Every novel I've read lately, I picture Conner as the young, hot guy.

Why don't they bring back John Driscoll. OK, he's not a pretty boy, but he is still handsome.

Vee, who is in the biz and knows everything about everything, forced Josh Griffith to make this show boring and stale af. Vee is in the biz, you know.

[quote] Why don't they bring back John Driscoll. OK, he's not a pretty boy, but he is still handsome.

Driscoll looks like somebody's middle-aged father now, imo.

Plus, he has a full-time job as a systems engineer at Booz Allen Hamilton and is still in the National Guard on the other side of the country (Virginia). That would always take precedence to any scheduling on Y&R. Acting isn't something he's pursing.

Mark Grossman is a fantatstic actor. The first one who really seemed to capture all of Adam's complexities.

But I totally agree, the Adam character has been neutered. There's no hint of danger or threat in him. Just one of the many characters that sucks up to Victor now. He was an exciting character when he joined in May 2019. Now, he induces yawns in me.

Pairing him with Sally is making a bad situation worse. Let's hope they 86 that relationship quickly.

The Sally character and the actress who plays her makes my skin crawl.

R198 I agree. I really like Grossman. He's my favorite Adam by far. He's really made the character his own, yet somehow I see something of the other three Adams in his portrayal.

He's the main reason I'm still watching at all.

R199 I got banned in another soap forum for calling her Carrot Top...exactly who she reminds me off. She's another network charity case they are trying to shove down our throats a la Lola.

I'm unclear about Y&R's budget woes. They have a limited number of sets they use and have a limited cast, all to save money. Yet Y&R's ratings are the highest of the four remaining soaps -- 3.58 million viewers in the most recent ratings.

Compare that to GH, which rotates in a number of sets, has a larger cast, brings in more day players and even has a special effects budget. But GH's ratings are a third less than Y&R's -- 2.21 million viewers in the most recent ratings.

How does this happen? How does the show with the higher ratings look so cheap and feel so cheap?

More expensive cast at Y&R overall.

[quote] How does the show with the higher ratings look so cheap and feel so cheap?

Setwise, it would appear Y&R blew their 2021 set wad on creating the BIG Tuscan villa. I think most viewers were quite impressed with it.

Perhaps their thinking is that shooting one massive load will be remembered compared to just putting out several average spurts over time.

I don't get why Adam is taking the mental abuse from Victor and Victoria. Real Adam would have told them to go fuck themselves the second they starting hinting at selling with him as some chess piece in the middle. Instead he's kowtowing to them both and asking for permission to use the restroom.

The Italian restaurant set that B&B is now using is laughable.

Adam knows (or should know) that if he just exercises a little patience for a few weeks, Victor, who is just waiting for her to screw up, and before the ink is even dry on her new business cards, will pull the big boss rug right out from Victoria and install Adam in her former place.

R207 Hopefully that's where this is going and Victor's not letting Adam in on it so that it's not verbalized for viewers either. Victoria is so smug and lied to Victor about the Billy/Newman Media thing (telling him that she got Billy to back off, when really she was in cahoots with him until HE called it off) which Victor needs to find out. Also she's so busy being an asshole to Adam that she doesn't realize her own husband is lying to her about his illness and probably planning a corporate takeover right under her nose.

R208 I get the feeling neither Victoria or Adam will measure up. Adam just inexplicably hired his new unqualified squeeze toy as C fucking OO and I can't see that working out for him. I feel Victor will tell his 2 kids to bite it and will keep it all to himself.

R202, I'd guess time slot and a strong lead in after local noon newscasts.

I also want to see where Michael's affiliation to Victor leads. Who the fuck leaves a DA position to be someone's personal flunky? I also gather the convo with Jack/Lauren the other day will lead to their eventual pairing thanks to Michael's 24/7 status as an errand boy for Victor.

The Newmans were played out years ago. I can't believe they're still central to the show. But I guess Hans still gets the little old ladies in the nursing homes who've been watching for 40 years moist down there.

[quote]Setwise, it would appear Y&R blew their 2021 set wad on creating the BIG Tuscan villa. I think most viewers were quite impressed with it.

Yes, it was an impressive set and it certainly seems they blew the wad on it. But as we discussed at the time, much of that set was recycled from old sets including the original Chancellor Park set. So, did it really cost that much?

[quote]Perhaps their thinking is that shooting one massive load will be remembered compared to just putting out several average spurts over time.

I'm just so tired of Society being the only restaurant in town. At least when they were using the Genoa City Athletic Club set for the primary restaurant in town, there was more reason for people to show up there. People were there because it was (1) a hotel, (2) had meeting room facilities, (3) had a gym in the basement and (4) was a restaurant.

Since they made Society the only restaurant in town, three of those four reasons to run into people there no longer exist.

And yet, there's the lobby of the Grand Phoenix which doesn't have a restaurant or a gym connected to it. It's just a hotel and presumably has some meeting room facilities.

Well, the Grand Phoenix does have a spa, and seemingly half the town lives there.

I loved the Veal Piccata at Gina's.

Sorry, Nikki. Traci got the last order. There's still the Chicken A La King.

Speaking of Gina's ...

"Denial ain't (just) a river in Egypt" .. lol.

And I don't know what the hell they had Nikki dressed in.

Dumb Dylan blew his wad to Mark Grossman, who likes eating Sharon’s snatch in real life.

I thought the spare number of sets had something to do with the pandemic, i.e., making less work that has to be done, thereby reducing interpersonal contact. As we've seen (if they're telling the truth about Burgi), they take the pandemic restrictions very seriously.

That's no excuse for the shitty wardrobe, of course.

Is there not a Starbucks in Genoa City?

When did Nick Newman last get laid?

Sally needs to go away. Now.

[quote]I thought the spare number of sets had something to do with the pandemic, i.e., making less work that has to be done, thereby reducing interpersonal contact.

Yet GH has even stricter covid protocols than Y&R, including firing two popular long-running actors who refused to get vaccinated.

And GH manages to rotate sets regularly and continues to create new sets. And GH's wardrobe would outshine Y&R's any day.

[quote] GH's wardrobe would outshine Y&R's any day.

Anyone's wardrobe would outshine Y&R's any day.

I think they dress MTS beautifully. She wears very figure flattering outfits.

Melody and her fat ass sticking out is gorgeous!

This show is so boring. I think only the gray haired old biddies in the assisted living facilities find it interesting.

R221 I was just thinking about that yesterday.

I remember Phick had sex after the Newman Media launch in early September, but by October were started to have break-up issues.

Funny too, how there was a scene back then when Nick announced he was going to hit the gym at the Grand Phoenix in order to try out the new personal training guy whom Phyllis had hired ... so maybe he's getting serviced there now.

Nick and Rey would be hot, but would be the top?

Was Rey shirtless for VD?

[quote] Nick and Rey would be hot, but who would be the top?

Any guy (i.e. Nick) who's been with Phyllis for any length of time ultimately learns to bottom. We jokingly refer to it as the "Danny Romalotti Principle."

This is the best thing the show has done in the last 20 years. It never fails to make me smile.

TYATR hasn’t been the same since they dropped the Brooks and Foster families! I only love fat and homely soap characters!

I never liked the Adam character until Mark Grossman started playing him. I'm actually willing to watch a Victor scene if Mark is in it. In the sex scene with Sally, his body was nicer than I expected. I like Sally. Faith and Moses are a cute couple, but the show doesn't do much with them. According to the cast credits from today's show, the actress who plays Faith is now on recurring status.

Faith and Moses are useless. Yawn city.

Didn’t watch The Price is Right at night with Justin Hartley and Sofia Pernas. Did he mention how he’s on his 3rd soap opera wife and how he texted Chrishell saying that he was divorcing her? Justin sounds like a scumbag.

[quote]Every male character on the show has to be neutered in service to propping up Victor's alpha status. Even Adam now has to bend the knee to Snoozetoria. It's ridiculous and boring.

Didn't they even have Victor easily beat up one of the younger men - I think maybe one of the Adams - a few years ago? I think possibly in one of the episodes where they break out his black jeans and wife beater and leather jacket so we know how studly he is.

John Driscoll was never an actor for the ages, but he was comfortable in his own skin and good grief, he was gorgeous.

I met him and his biceps looked way bigger than on TV. He had a knack for being very flirty and seductive.

Sally is gruesome. Pairing her with Adam is only going to bring him down.

Hi Chad!

Get those lezzys off my screen! Yuck!!!

R237 I think it was Mal Young who let J.T. win a fight with Victor where the Old Goat actually went cascading down the stairs, backwards. It was hilarious.

I don't wanna see no lezzys on my story when eating lunch. Hellllllllllllll no!

The lezzys kissing is gross! And that Mariah has such fat arms.

The camera should pan to a fireplace or something when they have a lezzy kiss. Or at lease they should put up a disclaimer on screen. I don't wanna loose my lunch watching lezzys smootch.

I have to laugh at the thought of Muhney, Tognoni and Miller playing Adam, Phyllis and Billy in their current iterations. Bergman must wince every time he receives his next week's scripts.

[quote] Bergman must wince every time he receives his next week's scripts.

Somehow Bergman made it through the gawd awful Marco Annicelli yarn, so this material should be a piece of cake. And lately, every time someone mentions Ashland's clinic in "Peru", I think of Marco.

Mark Grossman is good at the business stuff but my god he is awful as a romantic lead. He can barely spark with SC, and that's his real life lovah. I find him even worse with MCE and CH, he can't express any real sexuality or romance believably.

What pisses me off is Aunt Jack supposedly hated the Keemo storyline and the subsequent writers since then have forgotten that Jack had a son before Saint Kyle. Kyle is the only son that exists to Jack. Thought after Deena's death he would have been mentioned but nope.

Ooooh .. all those hot footy boys from Manchester City and Sporting Lisbon! CBS should pre-empt the show more often!

Even their uniforms are far better than anything Y&R wardrobe comes up with. Hot ass galore!

[quote] and the subsequent writers since then have forgotten that Jack had a son before Saint Kyle.

Alden mentioned Keemo a couple of times when she was HW. There was something abut Jack making contact with him at Christmas. And I have this vague memory of Ashley mentioning that she'd actually visited with Keemo in Paris or something. And I know MAB had Jack express regret about Keemo twice.

Future rapper.

Maybe one of Y&Rs stories to commemorate the Big Five-0 next year, should be to kill Victor off ... for real this time. .. They could have a bunch of old vets show up for the funeral and wake.

You'd think Hans would want to go out with a bang instead of a whimper. They can send him on a nationwide tour to promote the anniversary in order to stroke his ego.

Then, they can bump Miss Piggy to that "recurring recurring" status that was once floated. If she doesn't like it, then I'd suggest resting the character for a few months and cast Kim Johnston-Ulrich as NuNuNikki.

Just think how much money they could save! We might even get a new restaurant set out of it.

Would Melody Thomas Scott have stayed on the show for 40+ years if she wasn't married to Ed Scott?

Or would she have become like Doug Davidson and faded into the background, never to be seen again and only referenced by name in passing?

R167/R169, I crack up every time I see Melody Thomas Scott walk into/away from a scene, because she moves EXACTLY like the old black church ladies/deaconesses I've known all my life. It's crazy and a bit disconcerting; takes me out of the moment.

Dad's caregiver (married to a preacher) agrees.

R254 Well, unlike Dougie, Mel's character is part of one of the lead core families (unfortunately) on the show while Lonesome Paul is pretty much an appendage to The Bug (who doesn't want to work full-time), and they've never had any kids. As for Paul, they blew through three Heathers, killed Hot Ricky off, manufactured a stupid retcon to make Dullan McAvoy his cult baby (who's now in witness protection); even Paul's sister, Patty, is an insane nutcase. The Williams Family is basically kaput.

[quote]Patty, is an insane nutcase.

She was so awesome. Stacey however you spell it was a scene chewer but a damned good one. Soapy goodness!

Keemo mention today!

Haha, r258. The CC said "chemo." I thought it had something to do with Ashland's cancer.

PB must be losing his shit

Michael Maloney says they've put a casting call out for a new Dummer Newman. And they obviously don't want to deal with someone who's looking to come and go like HK, since there's apparently a three-year deal available.

No word on JaBottom,. though. I suppose this could mean they've already approached Mealor about returning, and they're just waiting till they've found a screen partner who clicks with him, or perhaps the Kyle character won't be returning with Summer.

It would be believable, if while Summer was busy working, Kyle hooked up with hot Italian manny who's been helping him take care of Harrison. She walked in on her husband getting plowed and is now running home.

Now Michael Muhney can return as Old NuAdam!

"She walked in on her husband getting plowed and is now running home."

I hate when that happens.

The only believable reason for Noah to be so hung up on Tepid Tessa is that the girl must've had a knack for hitting the right spot when she was pegging him. .. It's basically the same reason why Mariah's so into Tessa.

Hopefully, therapist Sharon can get her mopey son to realize that it's time he move on and go out and look for the real thing.

Gah! Which is the more boring storyline right now on the show? Lezzy wedding? Dullvon and Dominick's illness? Newman Media saga? Adam + Sally? Michael investigating Ashland? So many to choose from!

r265 Yes, so many to choose from! And easier question might be what's the most engaging story on Y&R right now.

As for as the most dull story, definitely Dominick's illness, complete with Abby crying regularly, Duhvon demanding to be a father and Chance shrugging about his inability to be a father or a cop.

R266, Chance should try escorting.

I no longer DVR Y&R.

Me neither. I keep up through here.

Welp

R270, Sum ting wong?

I want Keemo's HOT 19-year old Eurasian son instead.

Lauren hires the young man to be a swimwear model for Fenmore's upcoming summer collection.

Our new boy in town has other plans, though, and thinks he can make more money on JustForFans.

But could he change his mind when he starts falling for NuReed Hellstrom?

Victor warns Aunt Jack to keep his "manslut-of-a-grandson" away from his own sweet, innocent grandson.

He and NuReed Hellstrom hook up.

Has the show had a gay male character in the it’s history?

Are you a new viewer r273?

r273 You weren't watching back in 2008-2010?

Will blow for food.

^ To be clear, only in character.

Wow. The name Kemo and Luan were mentioned more today than they have been in 25 years!

And Jack gave a good explanation for why he and Kemo are now estranged.

For those who didn't see the episode due to soccer coverage, watch it on CBS.com

The writers totally mucked the whole boring "Dominic is sick" storyline. If Abby and Chance had said fuck no to shared custody, DUHvon could have used his being a biological match for whatever to force them to agree to his demands. But noooo, we have to watch them all, plus AmanDULL mope around the Chancellor house being sad, mopey and boring.

What was Jack's explanation?

Keemo’s dead.

Keemo had a hot ass, but he couldn't live forever.

I've always said that the way to go is with a 'skip generation' story, where we learn Keemo has died, and the story takes off with Grandpa Jack trying to connect with Keemo's kids. But they need more than one, and hopefully, besides the girl, there's a hot boy out there some place too.

R281, Was he the victim of a hate crime?

Dear gawd in heaven ... The rerun choice for today is Aunt Jack's weepy walk down memory lane as he reads Frau Traci's sentimental and saccharine book about The Abbotts.

Since they've been talking about Keemo, they should have pulled out the one where Mari Jo Mason tricked Keemo into thinking she was going to have sex with him. Mari Jo then hired a hooker to take her place in a darkened hotel room, so she could meet up with Jack and hold his hand over Luan's pending death.

r284, I agree. Would have been better to run a Keemo episode from the past that could help inform the current situation.

However, in fairness, today's new episode was canceled at the very last minute due to Biden talking about Ukraine. CBS had to scramble to fill in with an old episode. Likely wasn't time to go back into the archives from the mid 1990s to find a good Keemo episode to run. So, they had to sub in a recent episode. They like have had this one ready to go for emergencies.

Thay wooden ron me as Origaminal Jill ABBotT becuase that (DING DONG) raffia wont pay mine re$iduel$!

I'm annoyed that Josh Lewis is getting the chance to play (what I hope is) Victor's takedown of Ashland Locke. We deserve to have gotten to see Vic rub Burgi's nose in the embers of his deception.

The mens restroom at GC Buzz has a glory hole I hear.

I'd rather see Adam take down the human overbite. But it won't happen. Just like Victor, Vicsnoria can never lose.

Dear gawd in heaven, how many of these Billy podcast scenes are they going to subject us to?

Since his "studio" is upstairs in his home, could he at least be wearing an old jockstrap from our soccer-playing days and have his legs propped up on the desk, so it would be more like Chaturbate?

Has the show ever been this boring?? What a mess.

Who the fuck approved this tedious podcast storyline? The producers must think the elderly viewers will find it "edgy." And what was the point of having Dominic get sick when he got better in about a day?

I laughed when Traci exited her scene with Billy saying she was going out to go get FOOD for Jack and Phyllis' trip.

Seriously? Are they taking Greyhound to L.A.?

Lauren wants to know where the hell her husband has disappeared to in South America !!

I could see Michael having taken a detour to Columbia to go give his favorite webcam performer some tokens in person.

When the Latin stud isn't chatting online, he works as a go-go dancer at Viva Discotek in Medellin.

And now that Sugar Daddy LaBaldwin is retired, he may never come home !!

Wardrobe must HATE the actress who plays Sally. Whatever they had her in today made her look like she was on her way to dance at The Cheetah after her important COO job at Newman Media.

She looked like she should be prowling back alleys and gas station bathrooms.....and she's in an corporate office working as a COO......ridiculous.

They're just dressing her like they do all of the "corporate" women -- have you not noticed the stupidly too tight/low-cut/off-the-shoulder/boobs out/slit-up-the-side/one-sleeved/backless, etc. dresses Phyllis, Lauren, even Victoria, wear to work? They *all* look ridiculous.

r287...nah. I have not seen one of the female characters look nearly as skankoid as Sally.

^LOL, mostly intended dashes and a couple of unintended dashes ("one-sleeved")!

They've had Victoria in that ugly blue number for a week now.

Then I realized it must be the same day, because Ashland was wearing the same clothes too.

Even Jack and Phyllis were wearing the same clothes in Los Angeles that they had on when they were discussing making the trip with Billy and Traci in Genoa City last week .. lol.

This Jack and Keemo stuff doesn’t work for me knowing what we know about PB’s hatred for the story. Could’ve been decent stuff.

Now that Phyllis and Nick are over again, I think it's obvious how much better Gina Tognoni was in the part.

[quote]Now that Phyllis and Nick are over again, I think it's obvious how much better Gina Tognoni was in the part.

I agree. Gina brought layers to the role that Michelle does not. Gina was much more subtle in her acting whereas Michelle just steamrolls over everything. (We've found the same to be true at GH where her replacement adds so much more dimension to the character).

Ever since Michelle came back to Y&R three years ago, I've been wondering why. Why bring her back if they're only going to retread the past with the Nick pairing and now the Jack pairing.

When did we last see Nick at home?

The HUGE MAN CAVE set that Mal Young built for Nick has obviously been shuttered. It was one strange set, with those long back and side hallways that were like vacant space, somehow leading to an entry that we never really saw.

r301

can someone refresh me why PB hated the Keemo storyline?

r306 Probably didn't want people thinking Jack was old enough to have served in Vietnam.

PB is angling for another Emmy. He really is Aunt Jack.

Philip Moon who played Keemo is 60. Bergman is 68.

PB was working under the( mistaken) impression that he was somehow continuing the tradition of the bad boy, playboy, rogue who was known for using women -- you know , Terry Lester's "Real Jack."

Unfortunately, PB never really embodied that image.

And Bell's overly saccharine and downright maudlin Vietnam Story was a total 180 from the audience's perception of Young Jack, so this made things even worse.

I think that's why PB didn't like it. He knew it wasn't Real Jack, yet it was totally his Aunt Jack.

I was just thinking the other day that we never see Sharon at home anymore, R304.

Casey and Alan have Philip Moon on an upcoming episode of their podcast. Take that, Vee!

Terry Lester never would have played it as Aunt Jack.

Rich boy Jack would have never gone to Nam. That sl was soooooooo stupid.

Yeah R314 ... And if for some totally unbelievable reason Real Jack hadn't been able to escape going to Vietnam, he certainly wouldn't have been falling in love over there. .. The idea is just crazy.

More likely, he would have been visiting Saigon "tea houses" -- fucking scores of "bar hostesses" who were 16, claiming they were 18. .. The idea of a love child is ludicrous. Jack would be more like, "Prove it! .. And doesn't your pimp take care of these things? .. Buzz off, bitch!"

I tend to view the Vietnam story in 1995 as evidence of the beginning of Bill Bell's cognitive decline.

I mean, three years later, he would step down and give the reins to Kay Alden.

Most of Bell's storylines which came after the Vietnam story were less than stellar. Certainly not Y&R greatest days. I would attribute much of that to Bell's gradual cognitive decline.

I always thought that maybe Bell had originally planned to do some kind of "Vietnam Story" back in the late 80s' with the "Matt Miller" character, but then didn't go forward with it. (Parucha exited in 1987.)

Recall, Matt was a pilot. There was some kind of passing reference to something "mysterious" that had happened to him in Southeast Asia. I remember Matt having some kind of nightmare-dreams, hinting that he may have been some kind of mercenary-soldier-of-fortune type operative who flew secret missions somewhere in that area of the world. .. Had Matt's plane gone down and he'd either been captured or had to depend on locals to help him??

Anyway, Hot Matt, who basically read "heroic" in his dealings with both Nikki and Ashley -- and whose past had not been explored -- would have been a far more believable character to write some kind of "wartime romance" story around.

Bell may have dug the story out seven years later in 1995, because the news media was making a really big deal about the 20th Anniversary of the Fall of Saigon (1975).

But Jack certainly wasn't the character to helm this story. .. And actually, I'm not sure there was any other male character on the canvas at that point who was the right age, with the right history.

Good points r317. That likely was the basis for what became Jack's Vietnam story.

Jack, as played by Terry Lester, was definitely a character who would have gone to college rather than gone to Vietnam. Jack was definitely a "Fortunate Son" as Creedence Clearwater Revival sang about.

I hope Kevin discovers that some Peruvian thug hit Michael over the head with a crowbar and robbed him -- whether it was an actual robbery or some guy on Ashland's payroll won't be immediately clear.

A local man named "Lorenzo" found Michael in the alley behind the restaurant where he waits tables and took Michael home to care for him. .. Job #1 was removing Michael's blood-stained clothes and giving him a bath.

Unfortunately, Michael now has amnesia and, in true soapy fashion, he's begun to fall in love with his hot, mysterious caregiver.

When Kevin finally tracks his brother down, he remarks, "Damn, why didn't I think of this?! .. Way to go Mikey!"

Anyway, Michael refuses to "go home" to Genoa City with Kevin unless "Renzo" can accompany them.

But even after spending time with Lauren, Michael's memory doesn't return. He even recoils at her seduction attempt.

Michael eventually opts to buy a fashionable downtown loft for him and his Peruvian lover to move into.

Soon, Renzo wows everyone with his cooking skills, and Abby hires him to become the new head chef at Society. .. Meanwhile, Michael takes up art and spends most of his time painting.

Special Guest Star: Franco Noriega as "Lorenzo".

^If only the current writers at Y&R were that good^

Good lord, the only saving grace in the mopey Chance therapy storyline is the hot therapist.

At least Chance gets to take his shirt off from time to time. I find Conner Floyd just gorgeous. Rory Gibson, too. I wish they'd gotten to play a couple.

Does EB's face sell magazines? .. LOL! .. Andi it says "like never before," but I'm pretty sure SOD did almost this exact same cover story with Hans just a couple of years ago.

I guess a lot of it's about how stupid he thinks Mal Young's stories were. Oh, and he has no plans to retire. RME.

I'm just not warming up to Robert Newman as Ashland Locke. He's been in the role a month now, but it just doesn't feel like a good fit.

Maybe after 25+ years as Josh Lewis he left an indelible imprint in my head, but so far, he doesn't feel right in the tole.

JaBotttom !!

I imagine he was Skypeing with Aunt Jack wearing only a jockstrap below the waist.

So, are they going to bring Jack's new granddaughter, Allie, to Genoa City?

There's no one in her age range on the show these days. Will she end up hooking up with Adam?

Laughing again at another hideous concoction they shoved Sally into. Where does wardrobe even get such horrible clothes?

Allie and Faith will both want gay Moses. Why is anyone's guess.

R326 Most are predicting predicting that Allie is being brought in to hook up with Noah.

R328 Faith and Moses are in high school. .. Allie told Jack she's in grad school.

[quote]Most are predicting predicting that Allie is being brought in to hook up with Noah.

Ahh, Noah. I'd forgotten about him. But its easy to overlook him. He's been back for five months and hasn't done a thing.

[quote]I'm just not warming up to Robert Newman as Ashland Locke. He's been in the role a month now, but it just doesn't feel like a good fit.

It's one of the worst recasts in the history of daytime.

The problem is that Richard Burgi's Ashland is who set this story in motion. Josh Lewis isn't the one who set Victoria and Newman up these past two years. His sudden presence makes no sense. I want Burgi to pay for his actions, not Josh. I will say Robert Newman cleans up nicely, though. I wish they had cast him as a new character.

[quote] It's one of the worst recasts in the history of daytime.

Oh, please. Newman isn't THAT bad.. lol..

You want one of the worst recasts in the history of daytime? .. On this show, try someone like Darius McCrary brought in to play "Malcolm Winters." .. The look, the acting. ALL BAD. .. And he's supposed to be a fashion photographer, yet he couldn't even spend some time to learn to hold a camera correctly. .. He was awful every which way.

Some people think the woman in the promo might be Mari Jo Mason.

When we learned last week that Allie had nothing to do with the texts that Jack was receiving that did cross my mind.

Days won the Writers Guild award for the Best Daytime Drama this year, beating out GH and Y&R.

But the curious thing about the list of writers for Y&R is that Josh Griffin is NOT listed as the HW. Amanda Beall is listed as the HW. See below.

[quote]he Young and the Restless, Head Writer: Amanda L. Beall Writers: Susan Banks, Jeff Beldner, Sara A. Bibel, Brent Boyd, Susan Dansby, Christopher Dunn, Sara Endsley, Janice Ferri Esser, Marin Gazzaniga, Lynn Martin, Natalie Minardi Slater, Teresa Zimmerman; CBS

R334 That's because Josh Griffith went fi-core during the 2008 WGA strike so he's a persona non-grata with the union.

Ahh. Going fi-core comes back to bite him in the ass.

LOL the Billy podcast is so cringe and hilariously awful that it's now the most enjoyable part of this shit show.

Listening to one podcast, though, is enough.

In other words, I've had sufficient.

And I almost .. ALMOST feel sorry for Jason Thompson. having to play this kerap.

Instead of a podcast, maybe Billy should have gone to Chaturbate or opened an OnlyFans account.

Isn't the problem with Billy, Jason Thompson? He's all wrong for the part and always has been. They should beg Billy Miller to come back to breathe some life into that character.

R339 Of course ... but that's a whole 'nother subject .. lol.

I wouldn't complain if they brought back Miller, but personally, I'd prefer they recast with Josh Kelly .

I find Jason Thompson extremely attractive and enjoy him on the show.

I hope next season features a lot more Bertha vs. Mrs. Astor clashes. Coon was more animated in her scenes with Donna Murphy.

R333 It’s Diane

R343 So they're going to do some sci-fi back-from-the-dead garbage on this show?

Is Diane the one who hid in a closet so she could get TGVN's "genetic material"? How was that supposed to happen, anyway?

R345 No. .. The two who broke into the penthouse to get Victor's sperm -- which Diane had stored in a portable cryogenic freezer located in a downstairs bedroom closet there -- were Ashley, followed by Nikki.

Hopefully "Taylor Jensen" isn't actually Diane come back from the dead. .. That would be shitious "Days of Our Deaths" sci-fi material -- especially since, with Diane, we not only saw her murdered on-screen, but they then performed not just one, but TWO autopsies on her corpse -- the second one to see if there was any evidence within her exhumed body of the paralytic drug that she was trying to stab Nikki with when she died.

R347, Diane who Maura West portrayed when she was killed?

R348 Yes, we've had three actresses playing "Diane" over the years: Alex Donnelley, Susan Wlaters, and Maura West, with West playing the character in the soap's big "Who Killed Diane Jenkins?" murder mystery.

The woman calling herself "Taylor Jensen" is being played by Susan Walters.

Can't we get back to an interesting storyline like the fashion platform!?!?! Or Chance being mopey?!?!?

[quote] Can't we get back to an interesting storyline like the fashion platform!?!?! Or Chance being mopey?!?!?

or ... Eden Baldwin returning to remind Noah that she once caught him in bed with his Parisian fuck buddy, Jean-Claude,

or ... Adam getting stuck in an elevator with Rafe Torres and deciding that piece of Latin ass is pretty hot after all,

or ... Kevin looking like a chipmunk caught in the headlights when he runs into Mark Harding's twin brother, Clark, who's now the new director of Genoa City's LGBTQ Community Center.

What happens when Kevin goes on business to Salem and meets Leo Stark?

I've noticed that Rikaart seems to be putting some "Leo" into his scenes on Y&R. And did you see that pullover sweater top they had "Kevin" in a few weeks ago? It looked right out of Leo Stark's closet.

She’s baaack

If you subscribe to Rory Gibson's IG and view his stories, you'll see his garage—or maybe it's his basement—could be the very hottest hookup place in Genoa City. He seriously needs to wear no clothing this summer. Not on any day.

At least Carly Tenney didn't buy the house.

"ultimate bad girl?"

That's a laugh.

I'm not sure good ol' Dianejjnkins would even make my Top 20 "bad girls" from this show.

But does Y&R really need another actress going on 60 added to the cast?

And to think Nicholas fucked Diane when she was Maura West and his same age... lol

This development must be to pimp Michelle Stafford, since the Phyllis vs. Sally thing went nowhere, so it's back to another round of Phyllis vs. Diane.

Is Phyllis really popular? The previous actress was infinitely better.

Sally vs. Summer, Sally vs. Phyllis, Sally vs. Chelsea have all gone nowhere because the character is a big nothing and the actress is one of worst in daytime.

Has it been explained how Diane is back? And after two autopsies, is she quite stupid?

Sally is going to turn out to be Michael and Phyllis's child.

JaBottom's coming back to Genoa City.

R362, Lube up!

How'd that prime time career work out for him?

He maybe should have tried Just For Fans.

I love it when that have to come back. Some actors need to accept the fact that their career will be a soap career with an occasional guest shot somewhere else. It's steady work and nothing shameful.

Hopefully, we learn that Dummer dumped JaBottom when she came home from work and discovered him bed with Harrison's Italian manny, "Giancarlo."

Giancarlo accompanies Kyle to Genoa City and is played by B&B and Days alum, Francisco San Martin.

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