Grisly gay murder horrifies Sydney

They weren't good looking; accordingly we don' care.

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Couple? That's a twenty year spread.

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I don't think that age difference is a big deal. Especially if those photos were up-to-date and accurate. If you saw them together the age difference wouldn't seem drastic or a problem.

The 32-year-old guy looked ancient for his age, with more than a hint of meth face. No one would have seen them and immediately thought there was a major age difference.

This is what happens when you let FRUITS move into the neighborhood!

Reply 5 is a manther. Most self respecting young men don't want to be with someone that older. Unless they are being payed. Reality check, please.

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^ I know..

And to see talk like this I wouldn’t be surprised if it were some ignorant fraus spewing hate like this.

Miserable cunts!!

I think boards like this bring out the worst in people. I wonder if they knew these guys personally, if they'd be so callous. I'd like to think not.

At first glance I thought it said he was clutching his pearls. It was actually his phone. For a moment I thought he was a drama queen.

Eh, Kenneth Halliwell and Joe Orton did it first and better, especially with their wall murals clipped from library art books getting blood splattered to great effect.

OMG!

They say that everything in Australia wants to kill you. The people of Australia want to too. I'm glad I don't live there.

Prick Up Your Ears was the first gay movie I ever saw.

[quote]Most self respecting young men don't want to be with someone that older. Unless they are being payed.

Most don't want to be with someone who's an illiterate moron either. P A I D

R18 An unconventional love story, hope it didn’t scar you.

^ It played on my fears that a gay life was a perverted and sick one. That was the narrative I'd been fed all my life. The association with crime and misery.

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God, I hope Rope or Swoon wasn’t the next one after that.

^ Yes I saw thew film in the 80s as a teen. I'm middle aged now.

This case is very sad. RIP to them both.

The neighbor said "poor bugger". HATE SPEECH. Arrest him immediately.

Honestly---is the entire city of Sidney "horrified"?....Are rainbow flags at half staff?...........

It is murder suicide so kind of boring to be honest. No “who dun it?”, no twinks on the run, no lesbian soft butch souf chef.

Or is it though?

Sydney is a MARY!

Okay DL Sleuths ----This LGBTQ "advocate". Found dead. 56. Bachelor....Neighbors heard a scuffle---so DL already has the "what happened" figured out now we need to find the WhoDunnit!!... He worked for Oprah!!!....His picture is all over FB...The cops don't seem have made an arrest.

^ Either a break in gone wrong, a rent boy robbery or a relationship meltdown.

R31...Yep....He doesn't seem to have any boyfriend--so that is out..There was no sign of a break in...

[quote] It played on my fears that a gay life was a perverted and sick one. That was the narrative I'd been fed all my life. The association with crime and misery.

I don’t understand R21’s question, and I won’t respond to it.

The article doesn’t explicitly say how the Sydney couple died. I’d assume gunshots, but only Americans shoot each other. But it was guns, right?

And imagine having to hear two people fight and best each other up all the time? That’s awful. I’m assuming drugs.

I'm in Sydney. It would be very unusual for a gun to be involved in a crime like this. Domestic violence murders here do not usually involve guns, and ordinary people do not own guns.

Guns are usually only used by hardcore criminals. If someone is shot dead in Sydney (which is very rare by US standards) it's almost always rival drugs gangs killing each other.

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There would be more replies here if these were upscale gays

R36 damn it’s like Hatfields & McCoys

I can’t believe there have been 38 posts on this thread and no one has called the 52 year-old a pedophile.

Or maybe someone has and I already blocked them.

No one does a feud like Lebanese Muslims.

R40 They will fight you to the death.

Gay murders are always violent and horrific.

Smart criminals are invisible, dumb criminals are famous.

There are other groups in Sydney who are to their necks in vice and very wealthy from it, but they're never seen, they're never caught, they're never jailed and they certainly aren't shot dead in the street. Shooting and killing and being in the news are the traits of low IQ idiots.

^ Gross generalisation.

They argued over who got the last of the vegemite.

R40

[quote] Lebanese Muslims.

R43

[quote] low IQ idiots.

It was a murder suicide. One guy had been killed with broken glass.

[quote]Gay murders are always violent and horrific.

Of course. Straight murders are always very civilized, especially when guys get revenge on their ex-wives.

Not our kind dear

[quote]Of course. Straight murders are always very civilized, especially when guys get revenge on their ex-wives.

No kween. I’ve watched more than homicide shows and detectives have all said that murders involving gay men are the most brutal, bloody, and violent.

"We predicted that men would kill their partners more brutally than would women, but the results indicate that the opposite is true."

I'm already working on a miniseries based on this story.

I wonder if shameless narcissist Insta-ho Tim Draxl was somehow involved.

R50 two men=two sets of testosterone, i.e. equal opponents and more struggle/fight/bloodshed.

Much easier and cleaner for a man to kill a woman, which I guess is why they do it fucking constantly.

Meth. Nuff said.

Yes, that, R54, but also homophobia and hate mixed in. When gay men are slaughtered and chopped up into little bits by the male escorts they hire, it’s quite gruesome. Seen it too many times.

R56 Not to mention all the closet cases like John Wayne Gacy.

[quote]Domestic violence murders are always violent and horrific.

FTFY.

Also...bruh...

Did anybody read the abstract? “ The results support all but one prediction derived from the two hypotheses. We predicted that men would kill their partners more brutally than would women, but the results indicate that the opposite is true.”

Having just poked around on Facebook it seems these two may have been in some ways marginalised/vulnerable. In Sydney, boarding houses are very cheap, have a seedy reputation and tend to be for people who are in a difficult position, usually men. There's a publicly viewable Facebook post where the older guy is asking people to help him find the other guy, who apparently had a history of going missing.

[quote]Having just poked around on Facebook it seems these two may have been in some ways marginalised/vulnerable.

Dataloungers are so despicable. Stalking these guys online, just like that crazy person who was messaging supposed family members of that terrible snow shoveling murder. Pestering them, harassing them, and they weren’t related yet the Datalounger wouldn’t let up. Still harassed them.

Gay men in a boarding house?

Death by low standards.

How can you "stalk" someone who is dead, by looking at their publicly available Facebook posts? No one is messaging any living relatives in this case and nor would I ever.

R54 This incident occurred south of the city but Tim Draxl lives in the Gay Eastern Suburbs.

He's cashed up now after appearing in that TV car advertisement.

(it might be for a Mitsubishi Triton, perhaps. All cars lookalike to me.

How did Tim Draxl get dragged into a horrific domestic murder in a Redfern boarding house.

I suppose it would be bad taste to ask if they were cut or uncut.

Can I have their non-bloodied stuff?

Between this and all those Bondi Beach cliffside murders, all the Gay murders there sound grisly.

[quote] Having just poked around on Facebook

I did too. The older one had no less than three Facebook accounts — presumably having lost his password/email address. Sad story for both. Clearly on meth like so many of their friends ( New Years Resolution: Getting clean!) Posts about starting afresh. etc I was so fascinated I even checked put the address on Google Maps: 265 Cleveland St, Newtown, Sydney. An Edwardian shop (vacant) with rundown suicide-inducing apartments at the back. Here’s the crazy bit. If you google the apartments, they’ve all sold recently for sums like $770,000. Sydney prices!

We’re they friends with Billy and Gage Santoro?

Fun fact: Meth came to Sydney for the first time, in a big way, with the Gay Games. All those West Coast queens brought their best with them. And haven't the results been spectacular?

RIP.

Sydney is suffering through a heatwave at the moment.

Tempers flare as the thermometer rises.

There was another bloody murder this weekend but they were heterosexuals.

[quote]Can I have their non-bloodied stuff?

You want the possessions of two very poor men with substance abuse problems? Their things might be crawling with bed bugs.

The boarding house on Cleveland Street? I wonder if it was the blue house up near The Bat & Ball?

[quote]About 3.30pm on Monday, a 41-year-old man was arrested at a unit on Cleveland Street and taken to Mascot police station where he was charged with two counts of murder.

[quote]Police will allege in court the men were known to each other and lived in the same boarding house.

[quote]A number of items were seized from the premises for forensic examination.

[quote]The 41-year-old man was refused police bail and is due to face Central Local Court on Tuesday.

WOW. so it wasn't a murder suicide at all.

They were murdered because they had a lot of drug debt?

Unfortunately those boarding houses are full of ex prisoners and other deeply troubled people.

I’m hoping they were murdered for drugs—like typical gays. If it’s a Muslim that killed them, my head will explode.

It'll be a resident with a history of violent crime. An ex prisoner.

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Shocking!

The temperature is getting up to 35 degrees.

People are murdering each other. Four people have drowned.

The Omicron is creating a Fourth Scare. The train drivers are going on strike. People are emptying the shops of toilet paper.

Knives and shovels are the preferred weapons in Oz.

Meth is a curse and I hate it with a passion.

It may have been a factor here but we just don't know.

Anything can happen in places like that. Lots of troubled people. The violence of the deaths speaks of something personal. Maybe homophobia?

Loads of addicts, mentally ill people and ex cons in those Redfern/Darlo/Surry Hills boarding houses.

[quote] Loads of addicts, mentally ill people and ex cons

Some of them are still begging in the streets and sleeping in the parks.

We should get a court report on this today.

One of the victims was on the phone to cops when it happened.

No perp identity yet? Was the murderer one of Datalounge’s people?

When Cleveland St was last in the news:

OMG! I just saw the update. I was sure this had been murder/suicide.

The police spokesman in R76 is comedy gold!

"...a 41 year old maul..."

Here's a new article that features photos of inside their room. Definitely decor de la meth.

There's also a blurred photo of the killer. But he has a Facebook and Instagram page - the latter featuring the usual 'Universe give me strength' type of quote. Even more interesting, seven years ago he was involved in ANOTHER murder. Stay tuned...

Correction: he was involved in a manslaughter....Chris seems to have a slight anger management issue.

Goods detective work.

It sounds like the injuries the victims suffered were absolutely heinous.

Seriously, we need to start executing people who deal meth.

That room is horrific. I wonder how they got those photos?

I like those Christmas lights strung across the room. They go well with meth, especially when they are blinking and change color.

And, again, Officer Rodney Hard (!) is comedy gold.

"Superintendent Rodney Hard"! Is this from a porn script?

You sound like smutty teenagers.

The Detective Superintendent's name is Rodney Hart.

But it’s Australia so it’s pronounced “Hard”.

I preferred “Rod Hard”.

But then, I went to uni with someone called Richard Harden.

Who killed them? No identification yet. Well, then we know.

The alleged killer has been identified. It's discussed up-thread. His social accounts are still online and publicly visible.

Where kween, I can’t find anything.

Read Reply 94 and the article attached there.

Thanks^.

The killer, Christopher Bouggas, aged 41, can only be seen in pixellated pictures.

I know, that’s weird. I wonder why.

The authorities are being a bit tardy in closing down the social accounts of the alleged killer.

This is my fave post of his.

Maybe if his "voids" were being "filled" this wouldn't have (allegedly) happened.

R26 Actually no. It has barely made the news and most people are too pre-occupied with COVID to care about much else at the moment.

It got briefly overshadowed by the heterosexual acid bath murder.

[quote] heterosexual acid bath murder.

What a great title for a punk rock record.

We haver our first gig on Friday.

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The Advocate trawls this board.

Gay couple. I’m sure they were called “queer” as they were brutally murdered, though.

Not really. Queer isn't a common street-level slur in Australia. These days it's the lovely US import, "faggot". That word overtook the local slur, "poofter" in the 80s/90s. You never hear the latter anymore. Queer is more of an academic/activist word that's used to erase gay male experience and lump it in with basically straight people with blue hair and mild kinks, and middleclass white women who are mildly bisexual.

[quote]Queer is more of an academic/activist word that's used to erase gay male experience and lump it in with basically straight people with blue hair and mild kinks, and middleclass white women who are mildly bisexual.

How true is THAT!

I just opened a gay cultural festival guide and everything was 'queer'. And gay men were barely visible.

[quote] And gay men were barely visible.

They will be barely visible at the next Mardi Gras show.

They'll be outnumbered by the het party-lovers, het disco-dancers and het staff members who will be paid to attend by their employers at Qantas, City Council, the ANZ Bank and the Australian Labor Party..

Who goes to Mardi Gras?

R124 The straights.

I kind of long for the days when we were social pariahs, but then I remember all the murders and stuff.

Oh, wait....!

Sydney City Council attempted to have an ordinary Mardi Gras street party (like Berlin's Love Parade) about 20 something years ago.

It was held down on a Saturday night down behind the Overseas Passenger Terminal. And it was a fizzier.

So they held back, realised that bureaucratic public servants aren't equipped to be party-merchants and then starting subsidising the Gay Mardi Gras and let the unpaid gays do ALL THE WORK voluntarily.

Clover couldn't organise a root in a brothel.

R128 She is a fucking cunt on so many levels.

As least the cow didn't get the 'super majority council' that she expected at the last election (she was expecting/hope to get 8 councillors up - she only got 5). Votes for her as Lord Mayor and her 'team' went backwards by over 10% since the last election. She personally had to go to preferences but in fairness she was still way out ahead of all other candidates.

I'm just glad that the only person I was prepared to vote for, Yvonne Weldon, got on a seat on the council.

[quote] Clover couldn't organise a root in a brothel.

That woman suffers with GIgantism.

She wanted to spend millions on a 4-storey milk crate in Belmore Park.

She wanted to spend millions on a 6-storey functionless piece of metal over the George St/Park ST intersection.

She spent thousands on a sculpture supposedly representing native technology at 1000% size facing the Opera House.

She spent one million on some metal which look like lipstick tubes at 1000% size in Hyde Park.

Those sculptures are unbelievably bad and need to be removed.

I don't want to be one of 'those people' but in this one, single instance it must be said: that dreadful installation is only there because it's by an indigenous artist. It is fucking AWFUL and has no artistic or aesthetic merit. Purely there as a box ticking exercise.

There is a lot of weird stuff going on in Australia at the moment. Somebody has taken the heads off to corpses in a cemetery in Melbourne.

And the Prime Minister has taken to washing women's hair in a beauty salon in Melbourne?