Andrew Windsor DEMANDS Trial By Jury

GUILTY due to ugliness.

It's gonna be trashy royal vs. trashy trailer park tramp! This is gonna be fun!

I wouldn’t want to be on that jury.

Bad idea jeans

Andrew really used to be quite cute. i guess because no one defaced his portrait out in the open somewhere, unlike Dorian Gray's...

He has handsome when he was young. He has aged badly.

A New York jury will have zero respect for this guy and it will get worse the more airs he puts on.

A New York jury will figure they come from Queens and Kings (Brooklyn) County, so who is this prince think he is acting all entitled and shit?

Don't know if you've actually seen Virginia Roberts talking, but she comes off like your average cheap hooker so it isn't like she's the most believable victim. They didn't use her in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial for good reason.

^ I thought that was because of the deal she made with Epstein while he was alive?

[quote]no one defaced his portrait out in the open somewhere, unlike Dorian Gray's...

I don't understand. Dorian Gray's portrait was hidden away, wasn't it?

that's why it's not working...

The prosecutor will air his BBC interview and the jury will ask them judge to give him a life sentence

It's a civil case. The only thing Andrew can lose is money.

R8 The case is in the Southern District, which doesn't draw jurors from Brooklyn and Queens.

I thought their last name was George??

At this stage all that's left to do is find a producer to remake "The Merry Wives of Saxe-Coburg Gotha." It'll be renamed "The Narcissistic Mountbatten-Windsors of Montecito."

Isn't this a cheap ploy by Andrew's attorneys?

Boies had already requested a jury trial, hadn't he, on behalf of the plaintiff...

He is entitled to a jury of his peers, so it would be very unjust to include riffraff on the jury.

Does he now look this bad, or are they just using rougher looking stock photos as this goes on?

[quote] A New York jury will have zero respect for this guy and it will get worse the more airs he puts on.

I agree. We fought a war to get away from these people. He really thinks he’s going to charm the colonials?

[quote] Don't know if you've actually seen Virginia Roberts talking, but she comes off like your average cheap hooker so it isn't like she's the most believable victim.

At least i know a hooker’s WORKED a day in her life. I can’t see this ending well for him.

Ginnie the Whore already requested a jury trial so no issue here. They're in agreement. But this case will never go to trial. Andrew will write the check.

Virginia Roberts is a whore darlin'. I was talking with a friend and we both agreed that we would happily give hand jobs to royals and high profile people while flying around the world on private jets at 17. She wasn't forced to do it with a gun to her head. A whore's whore will keep going after the money. She hasn't even lived in the US since the early 2000's.

Jesus, why aren’t his teeth fixed?

If you want to troll effectively OP, you need to use his correct name: Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.

American BRF trolls really need to lift their game.

I'm afraid he totally misunderstood the phrase "trial by a jury of his peers."

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[quote] No, he's sued as "Prince Andrew, Duke of York,

What happens if Big Liz gets pissed off and pulls the Duke of York title?

R25, I'm sure you know more about this than I do but I thought the situation was that those royals with royal styles or titles use Windsor as their surname, whereas male-line descendants of the Queen and Prince Philip who do not have such styles or titles (e.g. Archie) use Mountbatten-Windsor.

Of course, Andrew is no longer using his HRH but that does that mean that he would no longer go by Windsor?

I know this is all silly but it's worth noting that people who would be expected to use the name Windsor have occasionally used Mountbatten-Windsor (perhaps out of deference to Prince Philip and his known sensitivity on the subject). Also, Beatrice has used York as her surname (just as peers often use their title as a surname, e.g. David Freeman-Mitford, 2nd Baron Redesdale was known as David Redesdale).

I remember Oracle, in reply to a Royal thread, said the reason Harry and Meghan left the UK was the Andrew scandal. I referred to Oracle's reply in my own reply, but it was more allusion than referral. I wonder if Oracle would care to comment on the latest developments in the story?

Royal fuckwit vs grifter hooker.

Popcorn, please!

"What happens if Big Liz gets pissed off and pulls the Duke of York title?"

Then the trial is off, Rose.

Would he listen if the jury was made up of his snuggly, plushie bed toys?

Grifter hooker? No under age girl who was taken advantage of buy several predators. One among many. Andy’s little liaison is even on film with the pimps.

[quote] At least i know a hooker’s WORKED a day in her life. I can’t see this ending well for him.

This made me ugly snort-laugh. You’re absolutely right. I don’t see it ending well for him, either. I don’t know anyone in NYC who’d have more respect for him than this grifting woman. They might feel she’s owed something for servicing his nasty entitled ass.

Someone in one of those snooty British papers explained why they couldn't take the Duke of York title but I snoozed off after the second paragraph.

[quote] No under age girl who was taken advantage of buy several predators.

OH DEAR!

Take away his York dukedom and give it to me stat.

I hope that someday, somehow Andrew’s interactions with his lawyers become public knowledge. Because there is no way they didn’t advise him to just pay her off. Even if she was a willing participant and was of legal age in the jurisdictions where they had sex, he still fucked a 17 year-old who was removed from her family and in the care of a real sleazy guy.

If she was willing to take $500k from Epstein, she probably would have been more than satisfied with a similar amount from Andrew.

I can’t imagine the amount of internal eye rolling that goes on when Andrew meets with his lawyers. Maybe he’ll be inspired to do another interview! He could do the current equivalent of pay-per-view and make enough to pay off Virginia and have some left over for himself.

[R34], can you tell us more about this film you speak of?

R39 On the contrary, I'm going to guess that Andy sticks with lawyers who share. his fight-on attitude.

Agreed: He should have paid her off years ago. It would have been money well spent: Look at everything he's lost and his daughters have lost because of the scandal. He must be as dumb as he is entitled.

I'll bet he told mum at the outset that scout's-honour there was nothing to this and he can't face her and admit he lied to her.

Not r34, but R40 - According to the girls, Epstein had his residences wired for video and audio and used the material in blackmail schemes. They were also asked to pry and report back (Guiffre noted Andrew had a thing for feet.) It's not precisely known how Epstein made his billion, but blackmail over the years of VIPs is the likeliest. Supposedly, the Feds had tapes that were "lost.". I'm a little fuzzy about them.

You know the sweetheart deal he got in Florida from Alex Acosta before Andrew came into the picture? He was minimally confined for a year or less (he could go back to his mansion during the day). He had someone on tape.

A royal jury is no issue at all. There will be NYC queens lining up to serve.

R43 Or his daughters.

[R44], he had someone on tape meaning a high profile name filmed doing or saying compromising things? I mean, anybody who fell for Epstein's offers of intimate relations with attractive wimmints would have to be deplorably shtupid to not assume everything was miked and taped.

I'm not a high profile name, but if a high flying financier whose career and rise to billionaire status was murky to put it politely started offering me free private jet trips to meet hot young men you can bet I'd say thanks but no thanks unless I wanted to wake up with a post-it note on my harness with a 'Pay to" Swiss bank account number on it. In one of the predictions for 2022 threads, somebody posted that incontrovertible proof of Andrew's guilt will emerge this year.

This case is reminiscent of the Watergate scandal. Things seem to be happening so fast, things that are highly significant. If this is what the public is being told, I imagine the fireworks occurring behind the scenes must be positively blinding and deafening. Then there's the mistrial of G. Maxwell in the picture.

And it's really hard to make any predictions about what will happen next. Are we close to a conclusion or is the bumpy ride going to switch over to clear air turbulence?

Apparently so, r47. Maxwell supposedly even claimed he had Trump and Clinton on tape.

I know what you mean Z-W, but before Epstein became a household name and prior to his prosecution in Florida, he was considered some kind of a financial whiz/guru via his association with Lex Wexner and Victoria's Secret. I guess, among the 1%, word of mouth and the fact that Epstien had so many VIP contacts meant something. "Well, if Harvard professor Dershowitz and titans of industry hang out with him, he must be OK." One of their own wouldn't turn on them and they probably assumed the money was legit.

And you know so many straight guys, even middle aged and older, think with their dicks to the exclusion higher cortical functions.

Calculated, but smart move. Guiffre's credibility can be called into question. She did participate in recruiting girls for Epstein. She doesn't go into court with clean hands.

If Andrew wins the case, I'm assuming the BRF will have to restore his position in the Firm.

No this is a civil trial. After he is cleared by the FBI - then he can get back to being a paid stooge for central Asian despots.

I guess it's the false confidence of 'money sleeps with money and begats money." I've never been cursed with so many zeros in my bank account that my judgement is so clouded. It seems the hedonistic fringe has always existed, and these two cases (Maxwell and Andrew) just shed light on it.

Still, these people live in their own world, and until recently, it was exclusive. Their hubris (engaging in intimate relations with young wimmints & all that implies) just shows that money corrupts. It's really not Epstein, he was the vehicle. He merely offered this to these individuals . All they had to do was say no. It's like if it's too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

I reckon it's along the same lines of Harland and Wolff designing the Olympic Class vessels wh. featured every comfort a passenger traveling in any of the three classes could want, except for enough lifeboats (John Brown, Ballin and CGT's liners of equal size all had sufficient lifeboats for the complement of passengers and crew).

It was just a matter of time before their number came up and the party was OVAH!

I think its a real smart move, it will expose the whore with all her shit she has in her closet. She worked for epstein and recruited young girls to work for epstein. She told thw young girls to tell epstein they were 17 or older. If she has to get up on the stand , her case is burnt toast.

Someone here is very invested in painting Virginia as a "whore." It's mighty suspicious. I found her credible and sympathetic in the documentary "Filthy Rich."

"There's a sucker born every minute." - Jeffrey Epstein's ghost, laughing at you, [R54]

Andrew and his lawyers are trying to scare her enough that she/they decide to settle.

[quote] Someone here is very invested in painting Virginia as a "whore." It's mighty suspicious.

They’re also invested in the idea that ‘the whore’ is somehow worse than ‘the john,’ without whom, the whore would not exist.

I’ve always wondered how people like these balance that dichotomy in their minds. Any volunteers? Do you just hate women? You can tell us!

No one in this situation comes off well. However, Andrew is the one who's reputation is most damaged. Epstein is dead and Giuffre will go back to her former life in Australia. Andrew is not going to back to being a working royal.

Maybe Koo Stark (remember her?) will be called as a character witness for the ex-Mr. Randy Andy -- though I don't know if that would work for his defense or the DA.

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R58, You think Guiffre’s reputation isn’t damaged by all this? She’s a married mom, not a playboy prince. Her kids are hearing about this. She may have decided the money was worth it, but she’s earning it. And I suspect that she’s pretty straight and narrow now - any post-Epstein exploits would have come out.

Epstein paid for Giuffre to fly to Thailand, spend oodles of time - all expenses paid - to train as a "massage therapist". Did any of you see who Epstein's 'girls' were? They were white trash turning tricks for drugs. If they hadn't hooked up with Epstein, they would have hooked up with white trash pimps and probably all be dead from fentanyl overdoses by now. At least Epstein paid them generously. He was a pimp but he appears to have been a very generous one.

All this #MeToo bullshit: are women the equals of men or are they frail creatures being tied to railroad tracks? FFS the woman who claimed Cuomo sexually assaulted her because he kissed her on the cheek without asking permission first. The woman who claimed Al Franken sexually assaulted her because he put his hand around her waist to take a selfie. My maiden aunties back in the day wouldn't have considered such behavior improper.

Fed up with women screaming 'rape'! 'sexual assault'! Women, get your act together. We're fed up with your damsel in distress routine. And the real victims of actual rape must be infuriated. Epstein didn't imprison any of these women. They came, they left, they came back because what they wanted was cold, hard cash. Prostitution is a profession. Deal with it.

They weren’t 18 R62. They weren’t “damsels in distress,” they were minors with negligent parents. And yeah, some of them would have ended up worse without Epstein. That doesn’t make it Ok.

[quote]Epstein paid for Giuffre to fly to Thailand, spend oodles of time - all expenses paid - to train as a "massage therapist". Did any of you see who Epstein's 'girls' were? They were white trash turning tricks for drugs. If they hadn't hooked up with Epstein, they would have hooked up with white trash pimps and probably all be dead from fentanyl overdoses by now. At least Epstein paid them generously. He was a pimp but he appears to have been a very generous one.

Please tell us more about the "expertise" and "allowances" that allow such leaks from family or government? Tell us more about your alleged "constitutional" "protections," constantly claimed by the inveterate, useless Andrew who shamed his mother and undercut his daughters with his stupid, boorishness. Why wasn't he ended SOONER for his daughters' benefit, at least?

[quote]Someone here is very invested in painting Virginia as a "whore." It's mighty suspicious. I found her credible and sympathetic in the documentary "Filthy Rich."

r54 It's mind boggling that labeling a woman a whore is enough to discredit her entirely, but the guys who fuck them suffer no loss in credibility or disgrace. Whores go to jail and the johns get to go home to their families.

Did Epstein/Maxwell offer the girls up to Andrew as freebies? Or did he pay?

We don't even know if Andrew fucked her. She has a picture taken with him, ya know the kind of picture women ask to take with celebrities.

Poor prince.

Maybe if Andrew would just admit he's gay and not interested in having sex with 17 year old girl hookers, this would all go away.

r62 with all your blather the fact remains that unless women are allowed to compete for jobs equally with men and are paid equally to men and therefore have as much opportunity to amass wealth just like men, then they will continue to be second class citizens dealing with the political, corporate and societal constructs that men create and control. It's been this way for the entirety of human existence. Ancient civilizations were controlled by men nothing has changed to this day. When are women going to lose it and just start murdering us in our sleep?

What are you doing to subvert the dominant paradigm, [R70]? Posting on the DL is hardly the place to start. Get the fuck off your ass, stop running your mouth. Get out there and start making the change for the better, you hypocritical, cavilling cunt!

Tis a pity he's so ugly these days. He used to be quite handsome.

Prince Andrew was a career sailor. He married an ugly woman. She cheated on him very openly, flaunting her relationships. They got divorced. Andrew never had another girlfriend or wife. He went to Epstein originally to get him to bail out his ex-wife and has remained very loyal to a women with zero loyalty. Friends in London have claimed for years that Andrew is gay and HIV+.

If he were straight - he was very handsome when he was young - he would have had a string of girlfriends, a second (or third) wife. He appears to have been celibate. If he's gay - and plenty of people think he is - he must be absolutely irate about being attacked by this woman.

"She did participate in recruiting girls for Epstein."

Stockholm Syndrome

If Andrew was HIV+, wouldn’t Sarah, Beatrice or Eugenie possibly also be?

If Andrew was gay he wouldn’t have wasted a decade of his life on this lawsuit and let it sully his mother’s legacy in her old age. He’d just come out.

She’s a strumpet who took advantage of my naive son.

She was paid $15,000 for the London sex. Whore.

[quote]they hadn't hooked up with Epstein, they would have hooked up with white trash pimps and probably all be dead from fentanyl overdoses by now.

Tell us more about yourself and your Filipino maiden aunties who think you're automatons worth wasting, if not outright KILLING

By the way, the Duchy of Pork cannot be removed from Randy Andy except by way of Act of Parliament.

Koo Stark's finest.

Is it true that Koo and Andrew married?

She takes the cash, she cashes the check, she shows them what they want to see.

Call that whatever you like.

She got $15,000 for London. Less for NYC and USVI: is this a back-pay suit, really?

If it goes to trial, it will be a civil trial--not a criminal trial. Meaning, the verdict is a much lower bar for a civil trial. Andrew does not have to be found guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt," which is pretty much having hardly any doubt at all. Instead, for a civil trial, he can be found guilty by a "preponderance of the evidence." Meaning, more or less, the jury just has to believe about 51 percent of the evidence. That is a very low bar--and much less than "beyond a reasonable doubt." Andrew better be careful about wanting a civil trial by jury. Being found guilty in a civil trial is rather easy.

49.9% loses. 51.1% wins with global ignominy for evah.

A jury trial is not good for Ginny. I can’t see a jury awarding her another payday!

Drew would be a fool to travel to the Duchy of New York to give his evidence. They have Epstein's cell warm for him there.

Breaking on Twitter: Virginia Giuffre's lawyers are now saying she is willing to settle with Andrew. I am NO fan on Andrew's but it looks like his lawyers may have called Giuffre's bluff. Given Giuffre's past admission of lying to the court and the fact she was deemed an uncredible witness in Ghislaine Maxwell's criminal case and wasn't called, a jury siding with her isn't a sure bet.

Link cunt R89

I thought she wanted him to publicly admit what he did. Wasn't that the entire point? Now all she wants is a bigger payday?

She will accept a settlement if Andrew quote "accepts responsibility" but her lawyers are vague on responsibility for what. For months they've been saying they will not under any circumstances accept a settlement, that Virginia wanted her day in court.

Sorry people, but this ain't going to court now.

I see this going two way now, a settlement, or Giuffre backing out. Her lawyers would not publicly raise the notion of a settlement if they feel they have this in the bag.

She got $15,000 for her souvenir pic with Andy and Gillen and a fuck in London. Good enough. She was 17, good enough in UK. Fuck her with her seller's remorse.

She's a grifting whore...was mentioned 3 times in the Maxwell trial as recruiting 3 different girls. "Carolyn" mentioned Giuffre several times in her testimony. She mentioned Giuffre was over 18 yrs at the times& Giuffre did not mention what she would have to do to Epstein. Giuffre is a Lying whore, Groomed my faggot ass!!

Andrew is royally screwed forever. The outcome of any trial is irrelevant. He is an awful person and everyone and their uncle is crawling out of the woodwork to tell their stories about what a repulsive degenerate this creature is.

In a couple years, he will become a complete outcast. Wills will make sure of that. He can go live with the fat one and the tequila boy at Frogmore cottage.

Very few people age well.

One has to admire his restraint at not drawing his own curtains.

OK, Prince Andrew has nothing to lose, right? Don't you see what the bluff is going to be? Prince Andrew will either take the stand, or through a deposition, admit that he's a flaming queen with the receipts to prove it, and that Virginia Roberts lied about everything. Think on it, kids. Slam dunk, as we say here in The Colonies.

Has Giuffre apologized for her role as procuress?

Andrew does not have any “higher cortical functions.” I read an article that claimed Andrew was too stupid to realize what was going on around him at Epstein’s.

[R73] Incorrect. He was called “ Randy Andy” and the “Playboy Prince” because of his dalliances with women.

Fergie was attractive when she was young. It’s hard to see past the ugly 80s clothes but she had a good sense of humor, grew up with Andrew, and respected the institution. Things would’ve been different if Andrew hadn’t been away in the Navy for the early years of their marriage.

Fergie was one of the most dynamic princesses ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in London. At a time when gay men were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles, and she theirs.

[R104], you speak of gay men being oppressed beyond belief in the past tense. What window dressing world do you live in?

Is this going to be similar to an Oscar Wilde situation?

Beware of Catholics, [R106]. They're all sodomites with unpleasant accents. - Evelyn Waugh

What “pain and struggle” did Fergie have? Please.

You try getting up off the sofa with that ass, R108.

[quote] What “pain and struggle” did Fergie have? Please.

Her gay husband was away in the Navy and a girl has needs. How would you like to be in your sexual prime and your mother-in-law keeps the key to your chastity belt in her purse. And everytime your MIL makes an appearance, there’s that purse on her arm, just mocking your none existent sex life.

J'adore r104. who blew newbies (interlopers) out of the water

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R105, fyi, R104 is clearly taking the piss. It's a famous quote frequently used on the DL.

R107 Evelyn Waugh was a Catholic and no doubt a fellow sodomite.

Andrew's lawyers appear to have called Giuffre's bluff. Stay tuned.

So, what's the story on the judge and any of his rulings?

I keep reading that there is political pressure to keep the focus off high up politicians by focusing on Andrew.

R115 The Judge in this case apparently has over a dozen complaints against from fellow judges about "perverting the course of justice." Apparently he know to be heavily biased in terms of very "woke." (the reason Virgina's lawyers lobbied for him). There is a conspiracy theory, that Andrew has become a fall man for people like Bill Clinton.

Yeah this is going to end in a settlement. Her lawyers have now opened the door and are even vague in their meaning of what it means for Andrew to take accountability for his actions? They aren't saying he has to admit guilt which is very telling IMO. They want money and in the end it will likely be Andrew taking accountability for his poor choices but it will fall short of him actually saying he fucked her.

I never understood why the hell there is even a court case in NYC. Giuffre lives in Australia and Andrew in the UK. Attention whore judge?

Cheapskate. He figures it will be less expensive to buy the number of jurors needed to make things look good for his acquittal, and we WILL make that buy form him. The Palace always wins.

Faggots love inbred perverts.

[quote] I never understood why the hell there is even a court case in NYC. Giuffre lives in Australia and Andrew in the UK.

Do you honestly think we want to go through a trial with a bunch of people wearing white powered wigs?

Sarah Ferguson lived with a lot of pain personally. Her parents divorced when she was young. Her mother just up and left to be with an Argentinian polo player--in Argentina! That wasn't easy for a young girl who needed a mother living half a world away. The feeling of abandonment must have been overwhelming.

Perhaps that's why Sarah has always maintained such a close and hands-on relationship with her own daughters. Say what you will, but Beatrice and Eugenie seem like quite nice young women without a hint of scandal ever in their lives. Sarah and Andrew have had their troubles, but their kids have always been nice people.

The downfall of the rich is their own arrogance.

This is what happens when you tell a group of individuals they are born superior to the rest of humanity. Child trafficking, committing crimes against children is not something honorable people do. Andrew is not an honorable person nor is his whore queen mother.

Brand them with the Scarlet letter and let the people see the real monsters behind the mask.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Andrew and Fergie were the original Harry and Meghan, although as sleezy as Fergie is, she's more likable than Meghan.

During her entire testimony, Andrew should sit with two fingers against his mouth flicking his tongue in and out. She’ll go into Pavlov Dog Syndrome and start trying to hump the witness stand.

I never understood people that excuse crimes against children. People like R126 should never be parents or be allowed to be near kids.

Has Andrew been deposed yet? That should give him a taste of what to expect on the stand, only it will be more pointed and possibly hostile. I don't think the man could handle it. He's never faced it in his life and his ego can't take it. He's easily enraged and being asked potentially humiliating questions in public will be triggering.

Aren't Prince Charles and Prince William demanding he pay her off?

I hope she's demanding a shit ton of money, Sandringham fully maintained and staffed for the rest of her life, a house in Belgravia, and Queen Mary's lover's knot tiara to swan around in. And the royal family should consider that a bargain.

Don’t mess with Big Liz. She was a mechanic during the war. She knows her way around a cut brake line.

Excuse me frauen, 17 is not a child in the UK.

You sound as daringly stupid as Omid Scobie, r130.

Please tell us MOHR! As much as you've got, even before your "Mommy" got a shit in disgust and probably puked your guts out before a "pleasing" staged photocraft.

Who is she, anyways?

R133 what drugs are you taking and who is Omid Scobie and you need to not drown in your own vomit.

Most recent video by Lady C - she spends quite a bit of time on the Andrew case.

Supposedly VG's father is quoted as claiming, (when questioned about his daughter's behavior and his lack of response) that she is a very skilled liar. Will VG's father be called as a witness?

Also, Lady C talks about how she filled in as Roddy Llewellyn's date on those occasions he needed a date and, of course, Princess Margaret could not go. Lots of stuff about this whole time period at the farm, etc.

Yes I'm sure VG's father from hell who is clearly a disaster of a human being is a most credible witness. Did he sexually abuse and pimp her out as well?

He should demand that all names come out as she is holding it against him only and there were many others that this whore fucked.

Wember, is that you @ R135?

[quote]R133] what drugs are you taking and who is Omid Scobie and you need to not drown in your own vomit.

Well, it's a long story....

But, yet, here I am. I choose your vomit-claiming aside.

I would have said "Adios, fucking Cunt...." for your required pleasure, but you seem to choose your own "myths."

The Royal Family trolls are so transparent. Sympathizing with pedophilia and human trafficking in order to justify their idol's inhuman behavior. They sold their souls long ago in the pursuit of a false god.

[R133] what drugs are you taking and who is Omid Scobie and you need to not drown in your own vomit.

Waiting. I've not choked yet!

But claiming Omid's throat is a bit much, beyond the pale!

"Wendy Murphy, a former sex crimes prosecutor and New England Law professor told The Guardian: 'To say that she was acting of her own volitions and causing herself to be raped by a man with so much more power is … a dangerous thing to do.'

'It's going to cause enormous negative publicity for the prince, as it should, and if you ask a jury to blame a kid, they're going to come back at you with a vengeance.'

....

Lady C use to be so much fun but she implied in one of her videos that the case against Andrew is being pushed by Clinton backers. I didn't know Lady C was a Q believer. It makes me suspicious of all of her previous statements on the Sussexes. Too bad, as she is/was entertaining.

Whether Andrew prevails in the civil trial, his reputation is taking a terrible beating. I have give credit to the right wing Daily Mail, unlike US tabloids (NY Post) , they don't protect their sacred cows. They really tore into Boris Johnson and party gate. Can you imagine the NY Post going after Trump with such vigor? Andrew makes great copy for the Mail. Alas the public reaction is not as strong as that against Meghan Markle.

Once Andrew settles with this woman, the rest of the Epstein scandal vanishes. The contents of the safe, the missing tapes will be the fount of conspiracy theories for the next few decades. If it had happened fifty years ago, I believe they would’ve remained hidden, no problem but in the internet age, that someone was able to hush this up, it’s just astounding and depressing.

The Roddy Llewellyn stuff was fun. Lady C was laughing as she talked about that "farm" and Princess Margaret raving about how wonderful the place was. This all came up when one of her (Lady C's) viewers asked her about a recent death.

Isn't he Andrew York?

[quote] What happens if Big Liz gets pissed off and pulls the Duke of York title?

CASE DISMISSED!

R6:

[quote]But but but but MEGHAN!!!

Sorry r17 ^^^

Not r6

Oscar Wilde wasn't Catholic, r107.

R127 crimes against children? WTF? she was a 17 year old hooker and procuress

[R151], thank you for the correction. I figured Irish=, you know. Just shows how wrong I can be!

[quote] I never understood why the hell there is even a court case in NYC. Giuffre lives in Australia and Andrew in the UK. Attention whore judge?

Are you under the impression the judge chooses the venue? Lol. The judge is assigned by the court after the case is filed by the plaintiff, who chooses the venue.

Some of the conspiracy theorists on this thread need to work a little harder.

The Telegraph says Giuffre’s lawyer is planning to take Andrew’s deposition in the UK sometime before July, after the court set a date saying it had to be done before then.

R153, he was Irish and Irish-identified but back then there were still some Irish Protestant families. Just goes to show how much things changed.

If I want to sue somebody in a country I don't live in, can I sue somebody wherever da fuq I'm likely to get the most money?

I'm assuming the lawsuit was filed in NY because it's one of the jurisdictions where Andrew had sex with her, London being the other. Boies probably thinks a U.S. court/jury is more likely to reach a favorable outcome and award a larger sum.

He will settle at the last minute in exchange for concessions from his brother. The details will leak because everyone hates him now.

Yes, the Southern District includes the Bronx. Will be interesting to see what jurors from S Bronx think of Andrew.

He is going to get a "downtown" jury - these types of juries don't care for rich, privileged degenerates.

[quote] Once Andrew settles with this woman, the rest of the Epstein scandal vanishes.

The list of men from the Maxwell court files are going to be unsealed, though.

I saw an interview with the boyfriend she (Giuffre) had as a teenager (both teenagers). He said that his friends were the ones telling him: what do you think she's doing over there (Epstein's house)? Not just massaging.

Anyway, she was a troubled person, probably did have consensual sex in exchange for money, and yes maybe she was a grifter as well.

It doesn't mean Andrew never sexually assaulted her. We'll have to see how the case plays out.

Not every girl / woman is going to be like Elizabeth Smart.

Some lady don't keep mouth closed. Such lady should keep leg closed too. Is very sad for poor man which is Mr. Andrew to get pleasure from such lady.

R162 Victims of sex trafficking cannot give legal consent REGARDLESS of age in the US. There is zero doubt VG was a sex trafficking victim. She was acknowledged as such and received a settlement years prior.

Andrew had nonconsensual sex with an established victim of sex trafficking. And the downtown jury will eviscerate him if he tries to portray himself as the victim.

R144. She believes a lot of right wing nonsense. She took as fact a viewer’s claim that Biden wanted to have US journalists funded by the Federal government. She also seems to be quite a fabulist with respect to her own personal history. I. think you can believe most of the things she says about the Sussex’s however because most of what she says isn’t original and is in the public domain.

Fraus LOVE to talk about “sex trafficking”. Gets them all hot under the collar.

Apparently this is a new term for “prostitution”. If a prostitute is turning tricks — oh, excuse me — performing sex work in their own apartment, is it “sex trafficking”? Are the cam boys or OnlyFans guys being “sex trafficked”? Or is it just when someone has a pimp?

The prostitution age of consent in most First World countries like the United States and the United Kingdom is 18. In the United States, the legal penalty for participating in the prostitution of children includes five to twenty years in prison.

Andrew can simply say he thought she was 18 and that's what she told him, r167. He can also say he had no idea she was being prostituted. He can deny having sex with her and she will have to prove that he did.

Ah, the mysterious, missing tapes.

He's fine. No sweat.

For two hours, Lady Colin Campbell discusses the case of Prince Andrew Vs. Virginia Roberts Giuffre.

^ Don't know what happened in R171 but here is the link.

^ That ludicrous old tranny seriously needs to get a life.

I imagine his demand for a jury trial is a pressure tactic to try and get the other side to settle. The only other thing I can think of is that Fergie, like Diana, has always been more popular in the US than in England. He might be counting on her being called to testify and that her testimony will sway the jury. I don’t think it will work but I imagine he is getting desperate. If she were to somehow get him off he better remarry as soon as it is over.

Thanks, R172, in that video, Lady C goes over each part of the legal document and explains the legal reasons for PA's lawyer's response to each point.

How some of the phrases used by PA's lawyers are commonly used as responses and why.

What VG's lawyer is trying to do and how PA's lawyer is not taking the bait.

LCC went on for two hours... and someone listened?

Five minutes of her forced cackling is an eternity.

Use the accelerated playback mode on youtube (1.25 instead of standard playback mode). Listening to her original speech rate is a bore.