Lauren Bacall

Around here, she’s the High Point Coffee gal.

[quote]I have not found a DL thread dedicated to her.

Is OP trolling or blind? No man can say.

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[Quote] I have not found a DL thread dedicated to her. Let's discuss.

Let's smear OP!

Yeah, yeah, OP...

Her reading of "disgusting" as Elvira in the TV version of "Blithe Spirit" is hilarious.

I knew her a bit in NYC when she was much older, she was good friends of one of my good friends. We went to the Westminster dog show together a few times. She always seemed very classy but no one ever said she was very bright. Her conversation was limited. But her presence was stately and just being around her was fun.

There have been countless threads on her, OP, some recent. Too cut a long story short, she was a cunt.

She gave The Rat Pack their name.

She's magnificent! From every angle. Good taste, OP

She was what they used to call a great old broad. The stories she must have had!

It was devastating when she lost the oscar. You could tell she really wanted the respect of her peers, and she had been acting for decades. Instead, it went to some Weinstein flunkie. One of many oscars that his bulbous fingers mandhandled.

Even the winner was embarrassed that her name was called and couldn't apologize enough to Bacall for the travesty.

After Bogart she became involved with Frank Sinatra.

They were allegedly engaged. When the news was leaked (by Bacall) he dropped her like a hot rock.

I love that story. Flayvah indeed.

No one ever watched "Key Largo' because of Bacall.

She is blown off the screen by the superior talent of 3 others much better actors in that film: Edward G. Robinson, Claire Trevor and Lionel Barrymore.

Bogart isn't all that in this movie either.

[Quote] She was what they used to call a great old broad.

No she wasn't. She was more disliked than liked.

R11 It was Juliette Binoche for The English Patient vs Betty Bacall in The Mirror Has Two Faces.

Her most interesting performance was in YOUNG MAN WITH A HORN (50). I suspect the role wasn't really much of a stretch for her personally.

The New York Times review of Bacall's SECOND film "Confidential Agent" ( in which she did not have a star and a director paving the way for her because of their feelings for her) was absolutely scathing as to her talent.

Well worth reading.

[quote] Excepting the fact that Lauren Bacall is a fizzle in one important role—her first since her bombshell emergence as a siren in "To Have and Have Not"—the Warners' "Confidential Agent," which came to the Strand yesterday, is a generally engrossing melodrama of the sort that the Warners do up brown.

[quote] As for Miss Bacall's performance as the helpful English girl—well, it comes close to being an unmitigated bore (and that from the lady who last year was setting the woods on fire!). Miss Bacall starts out brusque and surly, obtuse and emotionally cold—and she ends up that way, with nary a flicker of responsiveness or "give" in between. Her appearance is far from attractive and her voice is monotonous and dull, with no more English on it than is on a badly shot billiard ball. The noise she makes in this picture is that of a bubble going "poof!"

I admired her as an actress/movie star, but she was an angry, miserable bitch.

R11, Juliette Binoche delivered a devastating performance. Her Oscar was much deserved.

R17 she was totally miscast in Confidential Agent, even I, who like her, did not like her in this role.

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She and Jason Robards were fabulous drinking buddies who happened to get married and produce a kid together.

Who should have played the role? Joan Greenwood?

[Quote] Why are bi men like OP allowed to make endless threads on female obsession on a gay website?

Physician, heal thyself

Some NYC taxi company got tired of her constant complaining. They informed her they no longer wanted her business.

I worked in an ice cream store on the UWS and she would come in and ask for a to-go bag for her ice cream cone. Nobody else asked for a bag. And she would be irked that we didn't have one.

She probably wanted to consumer while she was near a restroom.

I recently read her autobiography, which was basically a way for her to blame other people for anything tragic or wrong that happened in her life.

R7 in interviews she always seemed to speak with the cadence and stature of a highly-educated person, but she really wasn't. I don't know if that was just her natural way of speaking, or if she was putting on airs. She still struck me as fairly intelligent though, at least as far as movie stars go—by all accounts a no-nonsense broad, and also a cunt, depending on who you ask.

See, Op? miserable cunt. Roman Polanski directed a film with Mia Farrow based on her reputation at the Dakota.

R29 Listen to her Desert Island Disc. She does have a good taste in music (like the Brahms violin concerto).

"You know, nothing improves the FLAVAH -- the deep, rich FLAVAH -- of drinking your High Point out of one of Arby's Winter Tulip Tumblers. They're only 99 cents -- but that can be OWA little secret!" And my cat still dines on Fancy Feast because of her endorsement as well!

Exactly how does one bag an ice cream cone, r26?

And that is the point.

Well, r34, hand her a damn bag and see what she does with it.

[quote] I recently read her autobiography, which was basically a way for her to blame other people for anything tragic or wrong that happened in her life.

Your point being??

Funny story. Lawson would sneak up to her at parties, should "I give Lauren Bacall that voice!" and then brass knuckle her in the cunt.

Oh, how we laughed!

Yes. The OP is definitely blind.

Cunty and mediocre hanger on to talented husbands and other celebrities. Never great in her own right

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She had tiny breasts the and the sloe eyes of a weasel.

Sloe-eyed peas in a pod

Quite a funny interview with Dame Edna

^ And that conversation gave Dame Edna more material for later shows about Betty Bacall and haemorrhoid cream and kissing Hollywood arse.

100 easy ways...

That joke about persecuting Jews is in VERY bad taste! R43

Don't forget she loves coffee with flavahhhhhh.

[quote]mediocre hanger on to talented husbands

hey

[quote]Cunty and mediocre hanger on to talented husbands and other celebrities. Never great in her own right

Sure, Jan.

How can we forget her voice overs for Tuesday Morning?

Oh, that's right! I never realized how no one here ever posts about Betty Dearest!

And we had NO idea she was in those movies!

The OP claims "I have not found a DL thread dedicated to" Lauren Bacall.

The Datalounge search button says there are nine DL thread dedicated to Betty Bacall.

And that's nine times as many Oscars Betty Bacall didn't win.

You can't argue with the fact that the dame had a *look*.

"Bacall of the Wild"

When Dinah Shores ruled the earth.

Prior to her film career.

"DONT SMEAAAAAR!!!"

I like the vampire look, r56.

She projected an air of gravity that led you to believe she was intelligent and sophisticated. She certainly wasn’t the former. That’s the appeal of the past. People aspired to be intelligent and sophisticated even when they aren’t. If she were active in films today, she would be speaking every sentence in interviews with a rising intonation and glottal scrapes and using filler words right and left.

Even when they weren’t

Watching her in The Fan (1981) now.

She took a lot of shit from Sinatra and the relationship ended because Swifty Lazar announced to everyone they were getting married. Of course this took the PR show biz surprise out of it so what was the point for Sinatra of going through with it?

How to Marry a Millionaire is beginning. It has an overture!

Even though you would think Ruth Sherwood would be a role practically written for Bacall, her performance at r41 of "One Hundred Easy Ways" did something I thought was impossible: it made me appreciate the (comparative) musicality of Roz Russell (who was also about fifty times funnier and more convincing).

Nobody does that number as well as Roz, r64.

A pretty young girl who slowly aged into a hard looking woman once she lost her baby fat. By most accounts was nasty to those she considered beneath her, including co-workers.

In a thread a while back about Justine Bateman, someone pointed out that when young she resembled Bacall, which until that moment I had not realized (grew up watching FT) and now it's all I can think about when I see either of them.

Is this not Allyn Ann McLerie?

colah!

Touché!

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You can't fake pretty.

R69 when were those from, early 80s?

I think Jessica Savitch tried to emulate her.

R66 that was actually in a book from the 80s (published by SPY, I think) called Separated at Birth, which had all sorts of fun celebrity look a like side by sides - like Elizabeth McGovern and Robert Chambers.

Not one old fag on this site looks as good as the mature Lauren Bacall. (see Xennial) Her looks were stellar and she aged beautifully. Great style. Smart woman. No surgery. Not too tacky or too rich. The best of friends with the most complex people with little use for the rest. That's what getting older is like - if you're lucky and intelligent.

Liz Taylor NOW looks like a back of the magazine negligee ad in modern times. A Gross and overly colored commercial for hair color or girdles. Too carnal and not well proportioned. Tacky. Smarmy. Anachronistic. No honest person would call her a great beauty.

Lauren was born a truly pretty child. Not some accident of coloring and flesh impact. Bacall knew her worth but didn't understand her marketing. She didn't sell her beauty for a ruby necklace or to steal a husband. She grew into it. And she never lost it.

[Quote] No surgery.

Are you kidding? She had a facelift circa Mirror Has Two Faces, and it probably wasn't he first. She was botoxed to the fucking gods in Waiting In the Wings.

Did anyone here actually see Waiting In The Wings?

Yeah. She never really lost it.

[quote]She didn't sell her beauty for a ruby necklace or to steal a husband.

R74 might want to rethink this hot take on Lauren Bacall.

She claimed never to have had plastic surgery but she did the Lucy bit of taping up her skin under her wig. Watch one of movies' and TV's top make-up people Judith Crown discuss working on her on youtube.

Sorry, Judith Crown was a hair stylist not a make-up person.

You know that there are gay women, right, R21? Don't act as if gay men haven't inserted themselves into female spaces or posted on female forums..

Lauren Bacall was hardly a "mediocre female," R40. What have you done that makes you worthy of note?

Seeing her in Sweet Bird of Youth, in London, was entertaining.

Was she poor?

OMG! Hi Ms Bacall/r74!

In the Doris Duke miniseries she is portraying Duke dying and has very minimal makeup on, you can see the old facelift scars and tell she's had her eyelids done. Her eyelids were very hooded in the late 70s and early 80s then suddenly they weren't.

THANK YOU R74. I've mentioned that before, how she outright lied when she claimed she'd never had any cosmetic surgery. Her eyelids were hooded in the mid-1960's -- all that drinkin' and smokin' with Bogie took it's toll.

I wonder if Bacall ever rang up Garner's wife like she did Franciosa's.

Lauren Bacall and James Garner had incredible chemistry, in the film, “The Fan”.

Garner was always a good foil to a bigger, female star.

R89 but Garner's role is pointless and uninteresting in The Fan as he has no bearing on the plot. He doesn't even remain with her at the end conveniently leaving her alone in an empty theater.

Was "The Fan" adapted for Faye?

[quote] Her eyelids were very hooded in the late 70s and early 80s then suddenly they weren't.

That’s almost always a mistake. Faye Dunaway never looked the same after she had her eyes done - hooded eyes were a big part of her beauty.

[quote] Was "The Fan" adapted for Faye?

It was murdered for Otto Preminger. Oscar Wilde was rolling in his grave

R11 She did not win the Oscar because of Weinstein but because she had given herself a terrible reputation over the years for being ice cold, abusive to crews, demanding and cliquish. She only hung out with those at her level or, preferably, above. She was a natural bitch and she got her comeuppance at Oscar time, which infuriated her. After she lost, she went up to the winner, Juliet Binoche and, pointing at the statuette she said, "That Oscar is mine, you know." Juliette's jaw dropped.

She was that kind of entitled cunt.

Horrible person and horrible (mainly) actress.

OMG, [R31], it's Brett Butler!

Loved Bacall as Doris Duke

Did Bacall's DD movie depict her vehicular homocide?

There is no way that R95’s story is true.

Juliette Binoche told it, I think on Graham Norton but I may be wrong. Find it.

While they were announcing the nominees for my category, I felt very serene. I didn't realise I had won until my agent tapped me on the elbow, telling me I had to move. He was crying and I was thinking, 'Why?' It felt like a dream.

First of all I wanted to give it to Lauren Bacall, because we were all expecting her to win it [for The Mirror Has Two Faces]. So I said, 'She deserves it,' and I was looking for her in the crowd. I asked, 'Where are you?', and she didn't lift her hand - if she had, I would have given it to her. I thought, 'Well, never mind then, I'll keep it.'

Later, I saw her and she said to me, 'That was my Oscar. You stole my Oscar. I got the Golden Globe, I got the SAG Award, but I wanted this one'. She does have a dry sense of humour, but that was the way she felt: it came from the heart. And I did feel, that after such a big career, they should have given it to her.

I had a hard time finding a place for it when I brought it back home. I didn't know how to deal with it, especially as a mother. I don't want my children to think of me as too important, or a show off. So I keep it in my office. It's simpler.'

[Quote] she didn't lift her hand - if she had, I would have given it to her. I thought, 'Well, never mind then, I'll keep it.'

Such a phony actor thing to say.

She was good enough in Mirror that if she hadn't been such a bitch to so many people she probably would have gotten it.

Same for Streisand with Funny Girl. Right off the bat in Hollywood her ego and self importance rode over everything. People were taken aback. Hepburn had won the year before. The Oscar was all Babs for the taking. But if she hadn't made enemies and I don't think she did she certainly put enough people off that they didn't vote for her. People joke that if Streisand hadn't voted for herself Hepburn would have been the sole winner.

It's interesting that she snagged an Honorary Oscar in 2009; maybe she had a couple of friends in high places who picked her for that one.

R 105 Fortunately for me, because I despise Lauren Bacall, she forgot to mention her son Sam Robards in her acceptance speech and that haunted her for the rest of her life because, as she herself told, Sam grew up feeling like the least important of her children (his father wasn't as attention-grabbing as the other two's) and that just confirmed it. So she never forgave herself for the omission and grew to hate the Oscar that she had craved for years.

She was at a party at Gloria Vanderbilt's house and was such a cunt that a group of guys were going to throw her into the pool. Vandy got wind of it and stopped them before they did it.

Sam Robards was much cuter than his siblings, so I hope that offered some compensation for being overlooked. He really doesn't resemble either parent.

Sam had a very hot nude scene with Samantha in SATC. He deserved a better mother than that twat on that basis alone.

In what world and old mind is R108 cute? He looks like Pauly Shore.

Leslie was a pretty teen. She looked like Elizabeth McGovern crossed with Betty.

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I only know her from being channeled by Karlie Kloss Kushner (KKK) in the spring 2010 ads of Dior.

Damn. That pic isn't a patch on classic Bacall.

The young woman was a natural knockout.

Bacall had perfect features and harmonious proportions. A very modern face.

R126 I don‘t know. She looked a bit boyish and cold. Like she would need lots of fillers and injections to be popular on Instagram today.

She looks like she'd be a successful model. Then and now.

I was hoping someone would post that pic, r115. Gorgeous…, but r66 is correct that she quickly developed a hard look…

Looking at the 2 pics of Sam @ R108 & R112 I'd say Gerard Butler crossed with Pauly Shore

Sam Robards has FLAVAH!

And to think no one would've ever heard of her if Bogie hadn't slipped her the ol' plonker.

Surely you mean Howard Hawks?

She marched into a deli on Columbus Ave. and went over to the cold drinks and retrieved one and stood on a short line at the checkout. When the man in front of her gave her the once over, she haughtily replied "Yes, even great stars drink Yoo Hoo!"

Mean old woman but aren't they all. At least nobody expected otherwise from Bacall -- but it did cost her that Oscar. Same goes for Michael Keaton whom I remember not being very popular on set at his peak.

But she was mean her whole life.

And not considered a great actor. More of a professional wife/widow.

[quote]More of a professional wife/widow.

Her long career after Bogie died suggests otherwise, r127. You don't have to be a fan, r127, but it's disingenuous not to be objective about her accomplishments.

She won two Tony’s. Both for Best Actress In a Musical, of all things.

Didn't Tom Bosley win a Tony for a musical?

She dined out on the goodwill of her married name.

No. She put in the work on the Broadway stage. She was very limited. But she had star quality. And she turned up eight times a week.

Don't forget she was also married to Robards, who doesn't have the cache of Bogart, but was considered the great interpreter of O'Neill if nothing else, which carries quite a bit of cultural currency.

Bacall with almost nothing but charisma and determination and that hair managed to turn a turkey like "Woman of the Year" into a smash hit and an entertaining night out on Broadway.

As with "Applause" the audience mostly showed up out of sheer curiosity, just daring her to pull it off...and she did!

Why would the audience turn up to the her second musical out of curiosity?

Bacall wasn't her married name, r131.

She was know to some as the Widow Bogart.

*known

And she was known to others as Betty.

R128: "Her long career after Bogart..."

Thanks, that was funny. Such notable films...

5 Broadway shows and two Tonys, r140.

R140, The Fan, The Mirror Has Two Faces...

r140 is an antivaxxer who has no problem with Sarah Palin spreading her germs at Elio's.

[Quote] And she was known to others as Betty.

Not to lessers like you she wasn't.

[quote]Why would the audience turn up to the her second musical out of curiosity?

They STILL couldn't believe it, it had to have been a fluke!

Plus, it was a decade later, there were new people to be surprised.

Why didn't they flock to "The Fan"?

Bacall a BITCH!

I always heard she wanted to play comedy parts, but her husband wouldn't allow it.

[quote]Why didn't they flock to "The Fan"?

Because "The Fan" was a suspense/melodrama not a Broadway musical.

Plus, Sally Ross wanted hearts, not diamonds, but I digress...

I wonder how she got along with Kate Hepburn when she accompanied Bogart to Africa to film THE AFRICAN QUEEN…Kate didn’t suffer fools or snobs.

They became pals, r150.

Kate was a fan of Betty's character in MAN WITH A HORN.

I saw her in WOMAN OF THE YEAR. She was a star indeed. In WAITING IN THE WINGS, not so much.

I saw her in Applause when I was boy. I really didn't really know who she was except that she was a STAR! And very famous. She walked out and suddenly the huge Palace was filled with her charisma. It was pretty glamorous and exciting. I mean she wasn't good but she was great.

Did she have any trepidation about the gay bar scene?

I got to know her a bit- she was demanding, poorly groomed most of the time and angry. She had a chip on her shoulder and acted as if she was desperate for work. Meanwhile she had instant stardom, married Hollywood royalty, got into a number of good films and through force of personality became a stage star. She was intensely disliked by her Broadway peers because she was so abusive- classic kick down kiss upper. I found her to be a tough broad, very real, very angry, very liberal (!) and very ambitious. Her image as a sophisticated grand dame was all artifice-her accent was learned. She had a helluva life but she was not the sort of well bred social lion of elegance her image suggested. In person she bordered on slovenly except when fixed up for an event. A complex and unpleasant woman, but still interesting. And in person from middle age on, not a beauty at all- hard. Striking when fixed up- a lot of it was a hairy pose. She acted like she was broke and almost a victim at times when she really led a golden life, plenty of money- where did all the anger come from. I’ve known similar people. That’s why I said she was very real.

“Haughty” not hairy, lol

R157, very interesting. How did you get to know her? Did you work on Broadway?

The Binoche Oscar story is hilarious and something I haven’t heard in 25 years since that Oscar show. I’m sure Juliette deliberately waited until she was dead to tell it. I can only imagine Lauren coming up to her and telling her that in a half joking half serious way (kind of a classless thing to do, considering Juliette saluted her in her speech, leaving out the other three nominees). I’m now convinced her reputation in Hollywood really cost her that award. Strange, bitchy woman that Betty.

interesting read, but i don't know what to make of it. Also, it was written in Bacall's lifetime.

R141, R142, Bogart died in 1957. Her Broadway 'success' didn't start until 12-13 years later. And R141 proved my point. Her films have been forgettable since the early-1950's.

R143 is wrong, and also needs a new hobby.

Thanks Charlie/R157. Very well said.

I very much enjoy hearing all of these stories, and I believe them to be true, though it still doesn’t take away my affection for Bacall either.

I liked Bacall as a personality, the public persona she projected anyway.

She became a Broadway star in Cactus Flower which was a big hit years before Applause.

Regardless how bitchy she could be, she’ll always be a favorite of mine ever since I checked out the OBC of Applause from my local library as a young gayling

Actually, r166, she became a Broadway star in Goodbye Charlie a few years before Cactus Flower. A miscast Debbie Reynolds got the film, but Betty originated it on Broadway.

When she's on, I change the station.

Bacall got into a mild fender bender in Beverly Hills a few months post-Oscar. Thd rumor around WeHo was that the police opened the trunk and found a buu uh McD of 8x20s of Juliette Binoche, all of which had been slashed with scissors. Probably apocryphal, but it was a fun story to imagine.

Bacall made at least two great (IMO) movies in the 1950’s: How To Marry a Millionaire and Written On The Wind … Designing Woman is also fun.

Between Bogart and Sinatra, Betty had two of the biggest and most legendary Hollywood cocks. Was she a size queen?

R172, by all accounts yes

Well, who can blame her?

R166, interesting that she played in that for three years, yet Ingrid Bergman got her part in the movie version.

Is that another result of her Royal Bitchiness?

She never had starring roles in film after the 50s, yet she remained a star. She had a unique look and husky voice. She appeared in The Shootist, Misery and Murder on the Orient Express.

The Fan wasn't a starring role?

Yes, it was. Someone had already mentioned that and indicated it wasn't a success. It's the exception that proves my point.

R176 Even then she was pairing up with better talents:

The Shootist- John Wayne, James Stewart, Ron Howard, Richard Boone, Hugh O'Brian, Harry Morgan, John Carradine, Scatman Crothers, and Alan Napier

Murder on the Orient Express- Albert Finney, Ingrid Bergman, Sir John Gielgud, Vanessa Redgrave, Sean Connery, Jacqueline Bisset, Michael York, Anthony Perkins, and Richard Widmark

Misery- James Caan and Kathy Bates are 95% of the movie. Richard Farnsworth has 3% and Betty Bacall only had 2%.

She was an old lady. Big shock that she was headlining TV movies at best, for the most part.

Why was she so unpleasant to people? Wasn’t there a thread about her years ago that mentioned how poorly she treated her daughter while they were out in Manhattan shopping or something?

She was raised without a father.

But Goodby Charlie was a bomb. Does debuting on stage in a disaster make you a star of the stage? I don't think so. That's why I said she became a Broadway star with Cactus Flower which was a big hit.

"Goodbye Charlie" was not Miss Bacall's high point!

R181, probably because she started at the top, and may have realized she got more attention (and respect?) when Bogie was alive.

Goodbye Charlie got great reviews for Bacall, and she was the toast of NY for a few weeks. That’s when she relocated permanently back in NYC and bought her apartment at the Dakota.

[quote] She was what they used to call a great old broad.

No, and stop trying to make “old broad” happen.

She oozed charisma and attitude. Not a fake sincere falsely humble faux 'intellectual' drunk at 11 am like that hideous old Crone Joan Crawford.

Bacall was modern, because her politics were. She wouldn't read a line she didn't like and she never sold out. Except for that creep Barbra Streisand. She wasn't a great actress but she's was a great star in a way that people can't really be anymore. By sheer force of character and personality, the projects that were built around her and the VERVE that she brought to them. She was sexy too - in a very unusual way. Gorgeous and imperious, better than you.

Lauren had the best friends. Coward, and Vivien and Larry and Burton and Taylor and Capote. She and Katherine Hepburn were lifelong no nonsense friends. Great supports to one another. Unfussy dames who didn't go much for the frivolities of stardom. Was Bacall high class? Higher than charlie. None of her friends laughed at her behind her back. She was respected and a bit feared.

She just got old and without a decent escort and she always knew that she wasn't that talented. Many of her friends died and she wasn't exactly mother of the year. But she WAS interesting. And interested. A great liberal. And the most modern and unusual beauty in her youth. Intelligent. A game changer. Her film appearances from the 1940s make her iconic forever. Lauren wrote one of the best Hollywood Autobiographies of all Time. Touching and insightful. She had a sturdy mind and wasn't always nice. Bitch made an impact. If you are 25 years old and see her in To Have and Have Not - you're still gonna take note and say - Who is that?

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Goodbye Charlie was 1960 and Cactus Flower was in 1965, r162.

Nobody looks like this anymore. Not pretty or 'youthful.' A grown woman. A great looking woman of incredible style.

The Mirror Has Two Faces. charlie has four.

I'm their savior, that's what they call me

So Lauren Bacall me, anything goes

I once stood on the sidewalk just to watch her argue with her limo driver in the most petty and nasty way. He gave as good as he got and the two of them acted as if their bickering was the only thing in the world of importance. Betty was petty and unpleasant and I could tell she was wrong. I couldn't get over how invested in this silly pissing contest she was and neither of them cared that I was just standing there just a few feet away watching them.

I’m watching Mirror Has Two Faces on Amazon prime. It is much better than I remembered! Bacall and Streisand’s scenes together are great.

Pain in the ass or not, I loved her work in "Ready to Wear" and "Dogville". Get very hip somehow, not stuck in the past.

Bacall was a star in the old style while being a woman in the modern style.

She was not nice or easy to deal with, but I don't care. I wasn't having breakfast with her.

Her politics were always very advanced and she spoke her mind well when interviewed.

And she was stunning in Murder on the Orient Express - the first time I think I saw an older woman portrayed as completely in control of both herself and the people around her. Bacall was surrounded by much better actors, but without her, the film would lack that vital core of glacial anger that motivates them all.

The only present-day actor I can think of with similar levels of charisma is Robert Downey Jr., who is arguably more talented but who, like Bacall, essentially is able to tap into himself in ways that make him a major presence on the screen. Like her, he was unusual but exquisitely beautiful when young and then developed a hard look that he owns. (He's also probably impossible to deal with, but for very different reasons).

I love when she gets machine-gunned in Dogville. That's how much I love the bitch.

I know we have some ancient mummies posting here but she can't have babysat for all of you, can she?

The Feline Face

R197, I was really hoping she'd get raped in The Fan.

I was hoping she’d scald herself on a hot cup of High Point.

"ohh... shit!"

Gorgeous woman and with such presence but I'll bever get over the fact that she married Bogie when she was 20 and he was 40 freakin 5!!

I don;t understand the hate on here for Bacall, you lot should revere the uber cunt.

It's the most puzzling thing on Datalounge to me, too, R204.

Bacall gets hatred here that makes me suspect she somehow peed directly into half the associated faces of our little community.

Weird.

DL likes humor. Bacall didn't have a lot of it.

^ What a stupid assertion. ^

Ancient white Gays of DL prefer women who are easier to parody or pity. That's not humor. The 78 year OLD white men on here still have mommy issues.

Bacall would laugh at them and they know it.

Oh, fuck. Nurse, He's out again!

^ Look, there's an 80 year old white prissy F@G with mommy issues now! ^

Lol r207 - the ring of truth.

[Quote] Lol r207 - the ring of truth.

Of, course, you also wrote this:

[Quote] Model Barrett Pall: "I was molested!" The racist elder elder gays are upset with your truth? Ha. Keep it up R117. Old white gay men are always so angry about everything.

Did you watch the Judith Crown interview? Crown stopped working with her because Bacall though very nice to her(of course) treated her underlings like crap and Crown didn't want to witness it any longer. 'She was mean!' She was very unpleasant to me when I tried to help her in a store where I was clerking once and I was afraid that if I said how terrific she was in Applause she would have bitten my head off. Also a friend who was a framer and framed a lot of her pictures said she once got pissed at him for some reason and questioned his competency for his job. After having worked for her before this came out of the blue and it really shook him.

It's funny that the AWF troll was the guy who said Bacall never stole a husband, when she very famously stole Humphrey Bogart, Anthony Franciosa AND James Garner, and those are just the ones we know about.

AWF is wrong all the time. Just constantly, completely, entirely wrong. Then he flips out when his mistakes are pointed out. Sometimes I think he does it on purpose.

What's AWF?

Ancient White Fags Troll.

Also, Lauren Bacall was no fan of the singers AWF Troll idolizes.

She ate my snatch when we made Millionaire together. She told me it had the best FLAVH!!!!!! She has ever tasted.

Sounds like she needed some Prozac

charlie sold hankies from his cart outside grand central station - why should Lauren Bacall pay him no mind?

R219, do you know Charlie personally and have something against him? I noticed several of your posts bash him by name…

She also did a commercial for the Ford Fairmont but I can’t find it on YouTube…

As if Lauren would ever drive or be driven in a mere Ford…

I remember somebody here mentioning that she was doing a job for something or other and they sent a car for her and she was furious it was a town car.

The women in "Waiting In the Wings" shared a shuttlebus. Bacall demanded a limousine. Funny how they didn't gel with her.

If you've been here longer than 2 years - you know mister charlie. Can recognize his posts without his "signature." A rediculous scolding old fart man. Huge snob himself. Name dropper. Fabulist. Old white man ashamed of being a jew. That's why he hates Bacall. He kisses ass, she kicked ASS.

charlie still thinks Streisand and Judy Garland ARE the worlds best singers ?!? And goes on and on and on about them. He's old old school DL faggotry.

Everybody knows him I think, R220. He would have to pay a lot for my company.

Not just a fabulist, R224 - a fantasist.

I have caught him out many times but of course when this is pointed out, charlie lashes out.

Where do these stories about Lauren and Waiting in The Wings come from? Someone’s book, or?

Rosemary Harris's very nice verbal slap in the face to Bacall when they were working together in Wings must be somewhere in this thread though I don't recall seeing it.

R222, It was for the Blackglama "What Becomes a Legend Most?" campaign.

She was the first to pose and found the car they sent for her inadequate.

Bacall and Dakota neighbor Yoko Ono did not get along at all.

When she appeared in a network t.v. variety special one of the producers sent his son to the Dakota with a television as a gift for her. Of course she wanted it installed in her bedroom and she greeted him in a flimsy robe and shamelessly flirted with him.

Other than High Point, did she find anything adequate?

So many elder gays have mommy issues. Is this why the DSM kept them on the books so long?

Lauren Bacall was a specific kind of NYC star with a Hollywood pedigree. She was pretty great. And great looking. What's the issue?

So weird that a few old men HATE certain women on this site R232. But they slobber over monsters like Joan Crawford and Judy Garland. What are the rules for this type thing.

That Boys in the Band play was real life?

[quote] Other than High Point, did she find anything adequate?

She loved her elegant Winter Tulip Tumblers from Arby's (just 99 cents with each soft drink purchase).

'She was pretty great. And great looking. What's the issue?'

Being a raging bitch to people for no reason is a very big issue.

She was great looking for about five minutes. And she had a tiny range.

She was great looking for 40 years. That's 76 years longer than you managed, R236.

My neighbor was a NYC union theater worker where she appeared in some production, don't remember which. He was chatting with a co-worker in a narrow hallway which led to the door exit to the alley. Bacall was leaving and putting on her jacket at the same time. When she put her arm through the jacket she belted my friend in the face and they were both shocked but she was very concerned and apologetic and they laughed, The next night same drill only this time she slowed down and slowly mocked herself, carefully putting on her jacket and made a joke to my friend. So she wasn't always rude to the little people.

only some times

R8- Please tell me who was the bigger CUNT. Lauren Bacall or Faye Dunaway.

DL people you tell me whom you thing was QUEEN OF THE CUNTS- LB or FD?

Well except for R238 she didn't hit people like Faye.

R213, a husband - or wife - can’t be stolen. It’s a choice.

R240 there is no contest… FAYE is the winner without question because she’s a batshit insane cunt with a tendency towards physical violence and a long history of drug abuse.

Lauren was a cranky, bitchy cunt par excellence but her abuse was purely verbal and she always had her sanity, even if someone secretly swapped her High Point for caffeinated. Bacall wasn’t volatile like Faye and never tried to push heavy, full length mirrors on top of stage crew as happened during TEA AT FIVE.

If nothing else, Bacall was professional and a workhorse.

All during 2 year plus runs in Cactus Flower, Applause and Woman of the Year, she never missed a performance.

I saw Applause at the Palace in summer of 71 at a Wednesday matinee when it had opened in spring of '70.

I have to say she performed as if it were opening night.

I still can't believe a young Andy Williams dubbed her singing voice in one picture she did. "You say there's an energy crisis? Well, my personal advice is - - get off your hmmpht, and - - GO!" One of Marvin Hamlisch's campy numbers from "The Fan" - which someone should produce as a musical starring a Lauren doppelganger drag queen.

When you want to do a search just use Goggle. Put the subject in and Datalounge. Works much better .

R246, He only supplied a few high notes for her singing of "How Little We Know" in her first film "To Have and Have Not".

Did she really drink that awful chocolate soda drink Yoo Hoo? I think a waiter I worked with at the Lobster Pot in P-Town told that story about her haughtily purchasing that drink at a Columbus Ave. deli in the 70s.

I haven't had Yoo Hoo in forever but I loved it.

In fact, nobody subbed Betty on “How Little We Know.” Andy Williams auditioned for it but when they were going to film, Hawks g thought it wasn’t a good voice match. Bacall sang it herself, including the “high notes.” Hawks verified it in his book.

Liza Minnelli requires a carton of Yoo-Hoos in her dressing room every night. Itss so in her rider. Of course, she’s not doing concerts anymore, but the Yoo-Hoo was a constant when she was.

I associate "Yoo Hoo!" with Michael Jackson.

Wasn't there a theory that Yoo-Hoo was something that protected the throat? It seems a lot of Broadway people drank it back in the day.

Re Faye vs Bacall- Faye has some kind of psychiatric diagnosis- something that included impulse control and narcissism- if you see her in person, you can tell something is wrong. It’s sad. Bacall was just a mean old broad- angry yes- but mentally ill? No. No reason to feel sorry for her. She lived a charmed life bout you wouldn’t know it from her.

R251, Bacall confirms to Merv Griffin that Andy Williams did dub some of the high notes @ 4:15.

Lisa Minelli used to take gangbangs from Doberman's in both of her Yoo Hoos. She liked to put on a show!

Walters looks like a frump in the clip @ R256

[quote]I got to know her a bit...

Beware of what "charlie" (R157) says that about every well known individual that has lived in NYC since the 1950s. He waited on them in a store and suddenly they're "friends." They lived near him, and because of that - he "knew" them. Anyone could have written his post(s) in this thread, the part where he loses me is the usual "I got to know her a bit," which means she could have said a sentence to him. Or not.

Charlie may embellish his stories a little bit, who knows?

But anyone who repeatedly interacts with a person in a “face to face” setting like a store, restaurant, or hotel does get to know their personality a little bit and can certainly make valid observations as to the person’s manners or attitude. Albeit maybe with their own prejudices about the person mixed in.

Posts like those from Charlie are more fun to read than one from someone who only ever saw Bacall on Merv Griffin. At least it’s based on meeting her in person, maybe with her guard down, and reveals some of her daily behavior out in the “wild” rather than just the show business facade.

R260, you obviously haven't read charlie's BS for ten + years like many of us have. If you had, you'd know it's mostly far more than embellishing - it's fantasy with an agenda. I guess it is entertaining to a point, but I doubt whether charlie had ANY interaction with Bacall.

If you're interested in hearing from people who have seen and/or interacted with celebrities, 90% of New Yorkers have. Maybe someone should start a thread.

When Mona Marlowe waited on Miss Bacall.

^ Charlie looks good there, R262.

He worked in Zitomers, R263? I thought he had a cart in Grand Central in the hall to the Lexington exit.

charlie's cart is well known - he was within drooling distance of some famous people over the last 60 years. he's retired now of course. euphemistically

I think someone is impersonating charlie since he's reported to be dead since 2020.

R259, yes I took care of her at Andre Oliver and also had dinner with her and my boss (Danny Zarem) at Elaine’s a few times. Danny was a great friend of Elaine’s and Bacall’s. I suppose I spoke with her on the phone a couple dozen times. My best friend David who lived in the Dakota got to know her at the annual Xmas parties there too which I attended once during that period. So yes- I did get to know her. Tough, unpleasant but very real woman. Nobody’s fool. Why a person with such a charmed life had such a chip on her shoulder I’ll never know.

And yes, I’ve had a pretty charmed life as well, and counting. Most of it in an academic healthcare career.

Ok, R259?

Give it a rest, charlie.

R268, can’t help myself- it’s fun to pull chains. Pretty hard to describe those unique times in the pre AIDS years in NYC if you were young, gay, not bad looking, and in my case brought up in a cocoon of privilege in NYC. I’m getting old now, although still enjoying a full life. Along with a small handful of friends who survived an equally unique conflagration to follow those years- shit could we write a book.

you're dead charlie. your cart died with you. RIP

Bacall should have slapped the shit out of her for thinking she starred in Gentlemen Prefer Blonds.

Long before High Point, Bacall drank Maxwell House.

Ms Bacall switched to High Point after she and Mr Robards were divorced.

Mona must have been secreting out lipstick from that upper east side cosmetics store. The cheap brand that Bacall bought. And a lot of it.

[quote]can’t help myself- it’s fun to pull chains.

R268, and yet I've witnessed tantrums from you that rival David Ehrenstein's.

Betty, with Vivien, Noel and the delightful Kay Kendall. Kay looks like she's had it with the Widow Bogart.

[quote]Ancient white Gays of DL prefer women who are easier to parody or pity.

This one pulls out the "Ancient White Gays" the way other ignorant types pull out the "N" word. He infests every troll with his singular nasty catch phrase. Sad, pitiable and exhausting.

Firstly there are tons of New Yorkers here who've actually interacted with Bacall, or knew her. It wasn't that she was too cunty to appreciate she was something much worse...UNPLEASANT.

Vivien looking rather matronly (not to mention bored) in the pic linked by R276

Was Betty Bacall friends with Lizabeth Scott?

I wonder what she thought of Ingrid Bergman getting her Cactus Flower role for the movie version. I wonder why they chose Bergman over Bacall in the first place. I like Bergman and she did a good job with the role, but it is not like she was at her peak box officer draw at the time. Bergman herself felt she was too old for the part. Both Bergman's and Hawn's characters were way too good for Walter Matthue's

R280, Bacall wrote about that in "By Myself". Naturally, she was furious about being passed over, as she had been for the movie version of Goodbye Charlie, for Debbie Reynolds.

But, soon after losing the role to Bergman, Bacall was offered Applause, which was a huge hit and won her a Tony.

Ingrid Bergman is one of the giants of the silver screen.

[quote]But, soon after losing the role to Bergman, Bacall was offered Applause, which was a huge hit and won her a Tony.

And the movie role!....errr never mind.

Bacall did the movie*

"Cactus Flower" was Ingrid's first Hollywood made movie in many years, after her banishment in the 1950s.

Bacall's grave is inaccessible to the public.

Hell, should make the vile Maxwell House instant coffee *in* the pot.

Did she nibble on Bogart's ample foreskin?

Why would she R279? Scott was her COMPETITION, specifically groomed for that purpose.

R285, Ingrid Bergman was in many many films after she was banished from Hollywood and before Cactus Flower. Check out a very good little soap opera called Goodbye Again (1961) about a middle aged woman having a long term affair with a middle aged philanderer played by Yves Montand. The weak spot is Ingrid being pursued by a much younger man played by a too queeny Tony Perkins. It's on TCM often.

As far as Ingrid being cast in Cactus Flower over Lauren Bacall, I think Ingrid being ten years older than Bacall, and somewhat matronly, had something to do with it. After all, the man was played by the fugly Walter Matthau.

No. If Ingrid was the same age as Bacalll, Bergman would still have got the part. Bacall was not on Bergman's level.

R290, neither Bergman nor Bacall were box office stars in 1969, only "known" stars of the past to people of a certain age. Neither would bring in audiences in mass at that time regardless of their film history. In fact NONE of the stars of the movie were what would be considered box office. When I saw it, the only star I knew was Goldie Hawn because she was regularly on TV.

Bergman made more of a long lasting mark in her career than Bacall did. She was a bigger star. She was a better regarded actress. None of this is opinion.

Sure, R292, but you're thinking of this in 2022. I am going back to 1969, which is when the movie was released. I sincerely doubt that the film producers hired Ingrid Bergman based on her past status because it meant next to nothing to people under 40 in 1969.

Like if you think of The Godfather today, you may go on and on about Brando's fine performance in an iconic film, how nobody else could have played the role of Don Corleone...blah blah blah. I'd go back to 1971 and the controversy of Brando's casting in the movie of a best selling book Brando's career had careened into the ground at that point, and there was much written and talked about regarding what an unreliable choice he was. You may not be aware of this in 2022 because of the success of his performance and the film as a whole.

R289, You are incorrect. "Cactus Flower" was the first Hollywood movie Ingrid made since being banished from the USA in the 1950s, i. e. filmed in the United States.

Of course she made movies directly after being banished, but they were all filmed outsude of the USA.

There was much media coverage at the time, heralding her return to Hollywood.

You know old movies were shown on TV, right? Movies didn't just disappear once they left the cinema screen.

I guess Lucy should have played the Berman role...

In 1969 nobody under 40 was going to see a filmed Broadway boulevard comedy. Watching two well into middle aged actors from their parents generation spending two hours to finally get it on was pretty skeevy.

My friend Julie says she was a real cunt.

What a silly comment, r296. It wasn't a porno.

No I remember distinctly when I saw Cactus Flower on TCM in the final scene with Matthau and Ingrid it was sexually quite graphic in a way a gentleman never discusses.

[quote]In fact NONE of the stars of the movie were what would be considered box office

Walter Matthau had two box office hits under his belt prior to Cactus Flower: "The Fortune Cookie," for which he won an Oscar, and "The Odd Couple," in a role he originated on Broadway. After a long career as a character actor and supporting player, by 1968, Matthau suddenly found himself and in-demand leading man, starring opposite Streisand in "Hello, Dolly!" and Carol Burnett in "Pete & Tillie." It was an odd era when guys who looked like Matthau and Elliott Gould became popular with movie audiences.

[quote]Walter Matthau had two box office hits under his belt prior to Cactus Flower: "The Fortune Cookie," for which he won an Oscar, and "The Odd Couple,"

Jack Lemmon was the "star" of those movies.

Where did R300 say he was THE STAR?

It didn't matter if Matthau was in those movies. They were hits but he was hardly noticed other than be annoying. That's how Walter Matthau got roles - being annoying.

Can't believe it's been nearly 8 years since this magnificent broad and Hollywood legend died.

Yes she was everywhere. Then suddenly she was gone forever. WTF.

Like COVID, just when you think this thread is going to go away, there's another spike.

Here's a unique group . . .

Nancy Sinatra, Clifton Webb, Stanwyck and Bacall.

This may have been the premiere of "Titanic", which starred Webb and Stanwyck.

[quote]It didn't matter if Matthau was in those movies. They were hits but he was hardly noticed other than be annoying. That's how Walter Matthau got roles - being annoying.

So in your world, if you don't like someone, you get to re-write history.

Bacall is much better than DL's other favorite diva, Dunaway, any day.

Why is everyone so mean to Betty Bacall????

Karma

She's the definitive Margo Channing on stage

R308 = Charlie Matthau

Imagine if Betty was in Hello, Dolly with Walter.

Completely different movie.

Yeah the soundtrack would have been unlistenable.

R315 How so?

Fun Fact: Lauren “Grand Larceny” Bacall was a notorious shoplifter. She was caught several times at numerous upscale shops and boutiques trying to steal items when people weren’t looking. She had a fondness for scarves and smaller items. A lot of the times she “got away” with it actually meant that her accountant paid for what she stole behind her back.

R317, Her Dakota neighbor Rex Reed was arrested for shoplifting CDs in 1999.

He said he had planned to buy them and had put them in his pocket.

R319, Tower Records security guards apprehended him as he was leaving their store with three CDs in his jacket pocket.

Betty was real.

Was she the Mrs. Michael Douglas of the olden days? Or more the GI Jada?

[quote]Sure, [R292], but you're thinking of this in 2022. I am going back to 1969, which is when the movie was released. I sincerely doubt that the film producers hired Ingrid Bergman based on her past status because it meant next to nothing to people under 40 in 1969.

In 1969, Hollywood movies were made by adults for adults. They weren't making these movies for teenagers and college kids. Bergman was a famous star, considered one of the greatest actresses, she had already won 2 Academy Awards, a Tony, and an Emmy. She wasn't a "big box office star" any more but neither was Katharine Hepburn and she was still starring in movies. Bacall, on the other hand, had never been nominated for any award and had never won any, and was not the big name Bergman was. Her Tonys and other awards were all ahead of her.

Ingrid made a triumphant return to Hollywood at the 1959 Academy Awards, ten years before "Cactus Flower".

[quote]In 1969, Hollywood movies were made by adults for adults

And increasingly YOUNG adults. That meant movies like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, MASH, Little Big Man, Five Easy Pieces, Where's Poppa, Easy Rider, Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice, Barbarella, The Last Picture Show, Shaft,...The Love Bug and Cactus Flower were successful, but lots of old fashioned stuff like Darling Lili were bombing at the box office. Times were rapidly changing, and Hollywood wanted to cash in on it.

I remember how difficult it was for people over 40 in 1969-70s to find a movie to go to. How they complained on and on how gloomy and unentertaining the new movies were, and most of all, how ugly and unappealing the new movie actors were. They were not the audience Hollywood wanted to please.

R325: "The Greatest Generation": Unappreciated for their whining.

R325 Cactus Flower was the 9th highest grossing film of the year. Hello, Dolly was # 5, True Grit was #7 (acc to Wikipedia). Butch Cassidy was #1, Midnight Cowboy was #3, Easy Rider was #4. My parents were in their early 40's and I think they went to Goodbye, Columbus. I know they liked movies like The Odd Couple and Plaza Suite. There was a mix of films at the time. But I meant that movies were not made for teenagers, as they are today. And Goldie Hawn was popular with young people. Bergman was only in her early or mid 50s, and Casablanca was popular with teens and 20-somethings in the 60s-70s.

(cont.) The main point I was making was that it was before the era of 20-somthing stars. I know as a kid in that era, I mostly went to movies starring adults, like Jack Lemmon, Paul Newman, Matthau, Shirley MacLaine, etc. It was an era when movies were geared towards adults, young or otherwise. Also if films were rated R (like many you mentioned) I couldn't see them until I was in college.

Those highest grossing lists usually count the entire time the film was released and re-released, so it's not necessarily indicative of "the year" it was originally out. For instance, Hello Dolly was released in Dec 1969, it couldn't have been #5 IN 1969.

R329 So what? It was the #5 highest grossing 1969 film.

I was in my very early teens during that era and others like me had no problem getting into R rated movies. We sure didn't have to wait until we were in college. We were paying for tickets and that's what the theater managers wanted. We didn't ask our parents we just went. Now maybe small children couldn't get in.

Also the biggest blockbuster during that era was Airport which was G rated and determinedly old-fashioned. Everyone went to see it.

Ingrid Bergman never went out of style

Beautiful and glamorous, but only a competent actress when young. When older, she was zesty and campy, but not very good beyond that.

[quote]I was in my very early teens during that era and others like me had no problem getting into R rated movies. We sure didn't have to wait until we were in college. We were paying for tickets and that's what the theater managers wanted. We didn't ask our parents we just went. Now maybe small children couldn't get in.

R331 I was 11 in 1969. I don't know where you lived, but in my town they didn't let kids into R rated movies.

The actual acceptance best picture Oscar speech at the end of R324 is one person going on stage and saying about ten words. Times have changed, not necessarily for the better.

Yes,R334, HA!. And nobody under 50 knew or gave a fuck about Ingrid Bergman.

R336 If nobody under 50 cared about her, Hollywood wouldn't have put her in the movie, and it wouldn't have been one of the biggest hits of the year. Nitwit. She was 54. Nicole Kidman is 54. There are a lot of older actresses people under 50 go to see. Meryl Streep, Renee Zellweger, Jennifer Aniston, Cate Blanchett, etc.

I was in middle school and going to see movies like Woodstock, Mash, The Owl and the Pussycat either by myself or with a friend and they didn't care.

Prior to the ratings system in 1968, theaters would post "For mature audiences only" at the box office.

As a 15 year old, I had some trouble purchasing a ticket to see "Valley of the Dolls", but eventually was successful.

Come on, you can't be serious if you think that the Cactus Flower was a box office hit because Ingrid Bergman was in it playing a frump.

In 1943 when she lived with mother at 75 Bank Street, Betty Perske was voted "Miss Greenwich Village."

R341, I was Miss Burbank of 1948.

R334 you were still in elementary school so that would have been tougher.

R343, people born in 1958 (R334), started school earlier, so at age 11 they'd be in sixth grade - middle school.

She seems obvious lesbian like Tatum oneale . Tomboy equals lesbian in my experience. Bogart was gay. In those days Jews were intensely and universally hated. Hitlers attitude to Jews was not unusual.

Your "experience" is faulty, R345. Look it up.

R346 Jodie foster also has that extreme tomboy effect. I refuse to negotiate on this issue.

Affect?

people born in 1958 ([R334]), started school earlier, so at age 11 they'd be in sixth grade - middle school.

R344 A couple of you guys have mentioned middle school. In 1969, there really wasn't middle school. We had Junior High School. 6th grade was elementary school. 7th and 8th were Junior High. (Sometimes 9th.)

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[quote]Come on, you can't be serious if you think that the Cactus Flower was a box office hit because Ingrid Bergman was in it playing a frump.

It's a movie about a receptionist who loves her boss, a dentist, and poses as his wife so his young girlfriend won't get serious about him - as far as I remember. I doubt the audience averted their eyes every time Ingrid Bergman was on the screen to focus on Goldie Hawn and Walter Matthau. She was the female lead and I assume people enjoyed her performance, since it was a hit. (It was remade with Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler - I forget the name - it was also a big hit.)

NYTimes review:

Why was she called Betty?

Because, r352....that was her name?

She was active enough, thank you!

R349, MIDDLE SCHOOL is simply another name for Junior High School, grades 6, 7 and 8.. Did you know that High School used to be called SENIOR High School?

I graduated in 86. At the time our elementary was K-6. Small town, so junior high and high school were in the same building, but the junior high end was grades 7 through 9 and the senior high end was 10 through 12. Grade 9, freshman, was in some ways separate from both the 7th and 8th graders and the senior high end as if it was a transition from junior high to senior high. Especially in sports, in ninth grade you started participating in the high school teams, usually JV.

I think in the old junior high versus senior high, grade 9 could be in either depending on the size of the town, if there were separate schools etc.

I think at some point the K-6, 7-9, 10-12 elementary/junior high/senior high breakdown was more commonly replaced by the K-5, 6-8, 9 to 12 elementary/middle school/high school breakdown. Although it might depend on the actual school district and small town versus city.

[quote]MIDDLE SCHOOL is simply another name for Junior High School, grades 6, 7 and 8.. Did you know that High School used to be called SENIOR High School?

R355 Sorry, but that's wrong. Few if any middle schools were established until the 1970s, and they were not really widespread until maybe two decades later. The range of grades is different in junior high school and middle school. People didn't just decide to change the names of all the junior high schools to "middle school."

[quote] Why was she called Betty?

Her real name was Betty Joan Perske.

As the article states, there was a middle school movement that had different objectives and sought to present a different curriculum from junior high schools, and this has now been largely adopted. I was born in 1958, I went to Junior High School, so did my dad. Kids born in the next generation went to middle schools.

People didn't call high school *senior high school*, r355. They called it...high school.

R357, no I'm not wrong. Not every state/region is identical. My experience was well before yours - in the 1960s

I'm from the NYC suburbs and graduated Elementary School (now Grade School) at age 10 having completed FIFTH GRADE. This was 1965. JR High School, graduated after completing EIGHT grade in 1969. Started ninth grade in High School in the fall of 1969.

New York is a leader.

What people, R360? It was called senior high school by people who were born before the 1940s.

[quote]What people, [R360]? It was called senior high school by people who were born before the 1940s.

My parents were born in the 20s and they called it high school.

Some differences between middle school and junior high school:

This discussion of senior high school vs. high school is just so fascinating.

For fuck's sake, this is MY thread!

Betty Bacall here. Just wanted to ask you boys to FUCK OFF with the high school terminology bullshit and get back to discussing me. It’s enough to make me want to fall off the wagon and start drinking caffeinated again.

Middle school was 7th and 8th grade back then. Sixth grade was most definitely elementary school. High school was high school.

Fuck off Betty. We need something interesting to discuss instead of wondering how in hell you got a lifetime Oscar. For Designing Woman? Jesus Christ.

STFU about school!

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My name is Betty Perske and I approve of this Middle School!

I love her in BIRTH:

"Maybe THAT'S Sean..."

R371, I loved her apartment in "Birth".

Nothing brought her as much intense joy as Arby's Roast Chicken Santa Fe.

This thread died when we stopped talking about middle school.

R374 Her best performance was as Macbeth alongside the incomparable Laurence Olivier.

R375 What did he play?

He was Lady Macbeth. Sorry it was her opposite Sir Charles Laughton

He was just Mr. Charles Laughton, he was never knighted.

She's at her most engaged during this BBC interview with Mark Cousins from 2000. I like when he tries to convince her that Written on the Wind has artistic value.

Even though it was filmed in Europe, “Anastasia” was considered to be Bergman’s “Hollywood comeback” film since it was made by 20th Century Fox. That’s what her “all is forgiven” Osxarcwin was about.

[quote]He was just Mr. Charles Laughton, he was never knighted.

The Queen had heard all about those sandwiches, and was thoroughly disgusted (and a bit intrigued).

Jewish dyke

This is the interview I was trying to post at 279.

Sublime!

R371 I loved her in Birth Of A Nation!

Oh, wait, that was Henry B. Walthall.

One of her loyal fans sent this…

Dearest bitch, see how accessible you are? How would you like to be fucked with a meat cleaver?

I just watched The Fan. Should be on a DL much watch list

[quote] someone pointed out that when young she resembled Bacall,

R388 she’s much more attractive than LB

Both of them had those heavy eyelids which MUST have restricted their vision.

Lauren was one of the most talented actresses ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.

[quote] her struggles

R391 Are you pulling our leg?

the thing about Bacall is , I feel, that she was too much ahead of her time. She would still be sensational on the catwalk today, and she was born to play modern parts, active women (she didn't need cafeine, thank you). She was so obviously unhappy in her marriage to Bogart, she really dried up before she was 25. and she was a monument of bitterness for the rest of her life, but underneath, you can see there's a terrific gal. When I see that pic (thanks R366) I see an actress who would have killed it in the 70s, 80s, 90s, playing the parts that Jackie Bisset, Jane fonda or Candice Bergen played, but with so much more charisma

R391 You talk like an Irish-Catholic.

and maybe I am ? thanks R394

Is she considered a great actress?

Yes, her best role was on an episode of the Sopranos, R396.

Lauren discusses her life and career with David Frost.

Flew on a shuttle flight with her from DC to NYC after New Year's Eve many years ago. Read later that she was at Ben Bradlee and Sally Quinn's NYE party. When the flight landed, she popped up and did a dramatic turn to face the rest of the plane, and then when no one noticed her, she turned around dejectedly and was visibly not happy. She was met at baggage claim by her driver, where once again no one seemed to notice her but me, collected her Louis Vuitton luggage and then she was off.

She didn't seem like a happy person to me. There was a desperation and sadness about her. She was still a striking older woman, intimidating, strong-looking with a masculine energy.