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Lauren Bacall

I have not found a DL thread dedicated to her. Let's discuss.

She was an absolute knockout: drop dead gorgeous, husky voice, smoker, and she took no shit from sexist men (Bogart, Truman, Sinatra, Barrymore, Huston, etc.).

She starred in some of the most classic movies of all time: To Have and Have Not, The Big Sleep, Dark Passage, Key Largo, Bright Leaf, How to Marry a Millionaire, The Cobweb, Written on the Wind, Designing Women, North Western Front, Shock Treatment, Harper, Murder on the Orient Express, The Shootist, The Fan, Misery, The Mirror Has Two Faces, Presence of Mind, Dogville, Birth, The Walker, Manderlay, and These Foolish Things.

That is not including her television and stage credits. Even her Desert Island Disc is a treat.

She is one of my favorite actresses and seeing her always makes me smile.

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by Anonymousreply 399March 18, 2023 3:54 PM

Around here, she’s the High Point Coffee gal.

by Anonymousreply 1January 22, 2022 5:09 PM

[quote]I have not found a DL thread dedicated to her.

Is OP trolling or blind? No man can say.

by Anonymousreply 2January 22, 2022 5:15 PM


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by Anonymousreply 3January 22, 2022 5:15 PM

[Quote] I have not found a DL thread dedicated to her. Let's discuss.

Let's smear OP!

by Anonymousreply 4January 22, 2022 5:18 PM

Yeah, yeah, OP...

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by Anonymousreply 5January 22, 2022 5:18 PM

Her reading of "disgusting" as Elvira in the TV version of "Blithe Spirit" is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 6January 22, 2022 5:19 PM

I knew her a bit in NYC when she was much older, she was good friends of one of my good friends. We went to the Westminster dog show together a few times. She always seemed very classy but no one ever said she was very bright. Her conversation was limited. But her presence was stately and just being around her was fun.

by Anonymousreply 7January 22, 2022 5:19 PM

There have been countless threads on her, OP, some recent. Too cut a long story short, she was a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 8January 22, 2022 5:19 PM

She gave The Rat Pack their name.

by Anonymousreply 9January 22, 2022 5:21 PM

She's magnificent! From every angle. Good taste, OP

by Anonymousreply 10January 22, 2022 5:22 PM

She was what they used to call a great old broad. The stories she must have had!

It was devastating when she lost the oscar. You could tell she really wanted the respect of her peers, and she had been acting for decades. Instead, it went to some Weinstein flunkie. One of many oscars that his bulbous fingers mandhandled.

Even the winner was embarrassed that her name was called and couldn't apologize enough to Bacall for the travesty.

by Anonymousreply 11January 22, 2022 5:25 PM

After Bogart she became involved with Frank Sinatra.

They were allegedly engaged. When the news was leaked (by Bacall) he dropped her like a hot rock.

I love that story. Flayvah indeed.

by Anonymousreply 12January 22, 2022 5:25 PM

No one ever watched "Key Largo' because of Bacall.

She is blown off the screen by the superior talent of 3 others much better actors in that film: Edward G. Robinson, Claire Trevor and Lionel Barrymore.

Bogart isn't all that in this movie either.

by Anonymousreply 13January 22, 2022 5:26 PM

[Quote] She was what they used to call a great old broad.

No she wasn't. She was more disliked than liked.

by Anonymousreply 14January 22, 2022 5:28 PM

R11 It was Juliette Binoche for The English Patient vs Betty Bacall in The Mirror Has Two Faces.

by Anonymousreply 15January 22, 2022 5:29 PM

Her most interesting performance was in YOUNG MAN WITH A HORN (50). I suspect the role wasn't really much of a stretch for her personally.

by Anonymousreply 16January 22, 2022 5:35 PM

The New York Times review of Bacall's SECOND film "Confidential Agent" ( in which she did not have a star and a director paving the way for her because of their feelings for her) was absolutely scathing as to her talent.

Well worth reading.

[quote] Excepting the fact that Lauren Bacall is a fizzle in one important role—her first since her bombshell emergence as a siren in "To Have and Have Not"—the Warners' "Confidential Agent," which came to the Strand yesterday, is a generally engrossing melodrama of the sort that the Warners do up brown.

[quote] As for Miss Bacall's performance as the helpful English girl—well, it comes close to being an unmitigated bore (and that from the lady who last year was setting the woods on fire!). Miss Bacall starts out brusque and surly, obtuse and emotionally cold—and she ends up that way, with nary a flicker of responsiveness or "give" in between. Her appearance is far from attractive and her voice is monotonous and dull, with no more English on it than is on a badly shot billiard ball. The noise she makes in this picture is that of a bubble going "poof!"

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by Anonymousreply 17January 22, 2022 5:39 PM

I admired her as an actress/movie star, but she was an angry, miserable bitch.

by Anonymousreply 18January 22, 2022 5:47 PM

R11, Juliette Binoche delivered a devastating performance. Her Oscar was much deserved.

by Anonymousreply 19January 22, 2022 5:51 PM

R17 she was totally miscast in Confidential Agent, even I, who like her, did not like her in this role.

by Anonymousreply 20January 22, 2022 6:41 PM

Why are bi men like OP allowed to make endless threads on female obsession on a gay website?

by Anonymousreply 21January 22, 2022 6:43 PM

She and Jason Robards were fabulous drinking buddies who happened to get married and produce a kid together.

by Anonymousreply 22January 22, 2022 6:47 PM

Who should have played the role? Joan Greenwood?

by Anonymousreply 23January 22, 2022 7:40 PM

[Quote] Why are bi men like OP allowed to make endless threads on female obsession on a gay website?

Physician, heal thyself

by Anonymousreply 24January 22, 2022 7:42 PM

Some NYC taxi company got tired of her constant complaining. They informed her they no longer wanted her business.

by Anonymousreply 25January 22, 2022 7:46 PM

I worked in an ice cream store on the UWS and she would come in and ask for a to-go bag for her ice cream cone. Nobody else asked for a bag. And she would be irked that we didn't have one.

by Anonymousreply 26January 22, 2022 7:55 PM

She probably wanted to consumer while she was near a restroom.

by Anonymousreply 27January 22, 2022 7:57 PM

I recently read her autobiography, which was basically a way for her to blame other people for anything tragic or wrong that happened in her life.

by Anonymousreply 28January 22, 2022 8:19 PM

R7 in interviews she always seemed to speak with the cadence and stature of a highly-educated person, but she really wasn't. I don't know if that was just her natural way of speaking, or if she was putting on airs. She still struck me as fairly intelligent though, at least as far as movie stars go—by all accounts a no-nonsense broad, and also a cunt, depending on who you ask.

by Anonymousreply 29January 22, 2022 8:49 PM

See, Op? miserable cunt. Roman Polanski directed a film with Mia Farrow based on her reputation at the Dakota.

by Anonymousreply 30January 22, 2022 8:50 PM

R29 Listen to her Desert Island Disc. She does have a good taste in music (like the Brahms violin concerto).

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by Anonymousreply 31January 22, 2022 8:59 PM

"You know, nothing improves the FLAVAH -- the deep, rich FLAVAH -- of drinking your High Point out of one of Arby's Winter Tulip Tumblers. They're only 99 cents -- but that can be OWA little secret!" And my cat still dines on Fancy Feast because of her endorsement as well!

by Anonymousreply 32January 22, 2022 9:22 PM

Exactly how does one bag an ice cream cone, r26?

by Anonymousreply 33January 22, 2022 9:26 PM

And that is the point.

by Anonymousreply 34January 22, 2022 9:38 PM

Well, r34, hand her a damn bag and see what she does with it.

by Anonymousreply 35January 22, 2022 9:39 PM

[quote] I recently read her autobiography, which was basically a way for her to blame other people for anything tragic or wrong that happened in her life.

Your point being??

by Anonymousreply 36January 22, 2022 9:51 PM

Funny story. Lawson would sneak up to her at parties, should "I give Lauren Bacall that voice!" and then brass knuckle her in the cunt.

Oh, how we laughed!

by Anonymousreply 37January 22, 2022 9:54 PM

Yes. The OP is definitely blind.

by Anonymousreply 38January 22, 2022 9:56 PM

Cunty and mediocre hanger on to talented husbands and other celebrities. Never great in her own right

by Anonymousreply 39January 22, 2022 9:58 PM

OP is bi R39, so hanging onto and obsessing over mediocre females comes with bi territory.

by Anonymousreply 40January 22, 2022 10:01 PM

She had tiny breasts the and the sloe eyes of a weasel.

by Anonymousreply 41January 22, 2022 10:03 PM

Sloe-eyed peas in a pod

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by Anonymousreply 42January 22, 2022 10:05 PM

Quite a funny interview with Dame Edna

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by Anonymousreply 43January 22, 2022 10:05 PM

^ And that conversation gave Dame Edna more material for later shows about Betty Bacall and haemorrhoid cream and kissing Hollywood arse.

by Anonymousreply 44January 22, 2022 10:14 PM

100 easy ways...

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by Anonymousreply 45January 22, 2022 10:16 PM

That joke about persecuting Jews is in VERY bad taste! R43

by Anonymousreply 46January 22, 2022 10:17 PM

Don't forget she loves coffee with flavahhhhhh.

by Anonymousreply 47January 22, 2022 10:21 PM

[quote]mediocre hanger on to talented husbands


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by Anonymousreply 48January 22, 2022 10:26 PM

[quote]Cunty and mediocre hanger on to talented husbands and other celebrities. Never great in her own right

Sure, Jan.

by Anonymousreply 49January 22, 2022 10:36 PM

How can we forget her voice overs for Tuesday Morning?

by Anonymousreply 50January 23, 2022 1:54 AM

Oh, that's right! I never realized how no one here ever posts about Betty Dearest!

And we had NO idea she was in those movies!

by Anonymousreply 51January 23, 2022 3:07 AM

The OP claims "I have not found a DL thread dedicated to" Lauren Bacall.

The Datalounge search button says there are nine DL thread dedicated to Betty Bacall.

And that's nine times as many Oscars Betty Bacall didn't win.

by Anonymousreply 52January 23, 2022 3:11 AM

You can't argue with the fact that the dame had a *look*.

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by Anonymousreply 53January 23, 2022 3:17 AM

"Bacall of the Wild"

by Anonymousreply 54January 23, 2022 3:18 AM

When Dinah Shores ruled the earth.

by Anonymousreply 55January 23, 2022 3:18 AM

Prior to her film career.

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by Anonymousreply 56January 23, 2022 3:21 AM


by Anonymousreply 57January 23, 2022 3:24 AM

I like the vampire look, r56.

by Anonymousreply 58January 23, 2022 3:26 AM

She projected an air of gravity that led you to believe she was intelligent and sophisticated. She certainly wasn’t the former. That’s the appeal of the past. People aspired to be intelligent and sophisticated even when they aren’t. If she were active in films today, she would be speaking every sentence in interviews with a rising intonation and glottal scrapes and using filler words right and left.

by Anonymousreply 59January 23, 2022 3:44 AM

Even when they weren’t

by Anonymousreply 60January 23, 2022 3:46 AM

Watching her in The Fan (1981) now.

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by Anonymousreply 61January 23, 2022 3:46 AM

She took a lot of shit from Sinatra and the relationship ended because Swifty Lazar announced to everyone they were getting married. Of course this took the PR show biz surprise out of it so what was the point for Sinatra of going through with it?

by Anonymousreply 62January 23, 2022 4:14 AM

How to Marry a Millionaire is beginning. It has an overture!

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by Anonymousreply 63January 23, 2022 4:16 AM

Even though you would think Ruth Sherwood would be a role practically written for Bacall, her performance at r41 of "One Hundred Easy Ways" did something I thought was impossible: it made me appreciate the (comparative) musicality of Roz Russell (who was also about fifty times funnier and more convincing).

by Anonymousreply 64January 23, 2022 8:13 PM

Nobody does that number as well as Roz, r64.

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by Anonymousreply 65January 23, 2022 8:21 PM

A pretty young girl who slowly aged into a hard looking woman once she lost her baby fat. By most accounts was nasty to those she considered beneath her, including co-workers.

by Anonymousreply 66January 23, 2022 9:34 PM

In a thread a while back about Justine Bateman, someone pointed out that when young she resembled Bacall, which until that moment I had not realized (grew up watching FT) and now it's all I can think about when I see either of them.

by Anonymousreply 67January 23, 2022 11:09 PM

Is this not Allyn Ann McLerie?

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by Anonymousreply 68January 23, 2022 11:20 PM


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by Anonymousreply 69January 24, 2022 12:19 AM


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by Anonymousreply 70January 24, 2022 3:08 AM

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by Anonymousreply 71January 24, 2022 5:13 AM

You can't fake pretty.

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by Anonymousreply 72January 24, 2022 5:25 AM

R69 when were those from, early 80s?

I think Jessica Savitch tried to emulate her.

R66 that was actually in a book from the 80s (published by SPY, I think) called Separated at Birth, which had all sorts of fun celebrity look a like side by sides - like Elizabeth McGovern and Robert Chambers.

by Anonymousreply 73January 24, 2022 6:17 AM

Not one old fag on this site looks as good as the mature Lauren Bacall. (see Xennial) Her looks were stellar and she aged beautifully. Great style. Smart woman. No surgery. Not too tacky or too rich. The best of friends with the most complex people with little use for the rest. That's what getting older is like - if you're lucky and intelligent.

Liz Taylor NOW looks like a back of the magazine negligee ad in modern times. A Gross and overly colored commercial for hair color or girdles. Too carnal and not well proportioned. Tacky. Smarmy. Anachronistic. No honest person would call her a great beauty.

Lauren was born a truly pretty child. Not some accident of coloring and flesh impact. Bacall knew her worth but didn't understand her marketing. She didn't sell her beauty for a ruby necklace or to steal a husband. She grew into it. And she never lost it.

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by Anonymousreply 74January 24, 2022 6:33 AM

[Quote] No surgery.

Are you kidding? She had a facelift circa Mirror Has Two Faces, and it probably wasn't he first. She was botoxed to the fucking gods in Waiting In the Wings.

by Anonymousreply 75January 24, 2022 1:22 PM

Did anyone here actually see Waiting In The Wings?

by Anonymousreply 76January 24, 2022 1:30 PM

Yeah. She never really lost it.

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by Anonymousreply 77January 24, 2022 1:32 PM

[quote]She didn't sell her beauty for a ruby necklace or to steal a husband.

R74 might want to rethink this hot take on Lauren Bacall.

by Anonymousreply 78January 24, 2022 1:34 PM

She claimed never to have had plastic surgery but she did the Lucy bit of taping up her skin under her wig. Watch one of movies' and TV's top make-up people Judith Crown discuss working on her on youtube.

by Anonymousreply 79January 24, 2022 6:02 PM

Sorry, Judith Crown was a hair stylist not a make-up person.

by Anonymousreply 80January 24, 2022 6:13 PM

You know that there are gay women, right, R21? Don't act as if gay men haven't inserted themselves into female spaces or posted on female forums..

by Anonymousreply 81January 24, 2022 6:20 PM

Lauren Bacall was hardly a "mediocre female," R40. What have you done that makes you worthy of note?

by Anonymousreply 82January 24, 2022 6:29 PM

Seeing her in Sweet Bird of Youth, in London, was entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 83January 24, 2022 6:36 PM

Was she poor?

by Anonymousreply 84January 24, 2022 6:37 PM

OMG! Hi Ms Bacall/r74!

by Anonymousreply 85January 24, 2022 6:46 PM

In the Doris Duke miniseries she is portraying Duke dying and has very minimal makeup on, you can see the old facelift scars and tell she's had her eyelids done. Her eyelids were very hooded in the late 70s and early 80s then suddenly they weren't.

by Anonymousreply 86January 24, 2022 7:59 PM

THANK YOU R74. I've mentioned that before, how she outright lied when she claimed she'd never had any cosmetic surgery. Her eyelids were hooded in the mid-1960's -- all that drinkin' and smokin' with Bogie took it's toll.

by Anonymousreply 87January 24, 2022 8:20 PM

I wonder if Bacall ever rang up Garner's wife like she did Franciosa's.

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by Anonymousreply 88January 24, 2022 8:37 PM

Lauren Bacall and James Garner had incredible chemistry, in the film, “The Fan”.

by Anonymousreply 89January 24, 2022 8:40 PM

Garner was always a good foil to a bigger, female star.

by Anonymousreply 90January 24, 2022 8:42 PM

R89 but Garner's role is pointless and uninteresting in The Fan as he has no bearing on the plot. He doesn't even remain with her at the end conveniently leaving her alone in an empty theater.

by Anonymousreply 91January 24, 2022 9:09 PM

Was "The Fan" adapted for Faye?

by Anonymousreply 92January 24, 2022 9:10 PM

[quote] Her eyelids were very hooded in the late 70s and early 80s then suddenly they weren't.

That’s almost always a mistake. Faye Dunaway never looked the same after she had her eyes done - hooded eyes were a big part of her beauty.

by Anonymousreply 93January 25, 2022 6:26 AM

[quote] Was "The Fan" adapted for Faye?

It was murdered for Otto Preminger. Oscar Wilde was rolling in his grave

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by Anonymousreply 94January 25, 2022 6:30 AM

R11 She did not win the Oscar because of Weinstein but because she had given herself a terrible reputation over the years for being ice cold, abusive to crews, demanding and cliquish. She only hung out with those at her level or, preferably, above. She was a natural bitch and she got her comeuppance at Oscar time, which infuriated her. After she lost, she went up to the winner, Juliet Binoche and, pointing at the statuette she said, "That Oscar is mine, you know." Juliette's jaw dropped.

She was that kind of entitled cunt.

by Anonymousreply 95January 25, 2022 7:08 AM

Horrible person and horrible (mainly) actress.

by Anonymousreply 96January 25, 2022 7:09 AM

OMG, [R31], it's Brett Butler!

by Anonymousreply 97January 25, 2022 8:42 AM

Loved Bacall as Doris Duke

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by Anonymousreply 98January 25, 2022 9:19 AM

Did Bacall's DD movie depict her vehicular homocide?

by Anonymousreply 99January 25, 2022 6:30 PM

There is no way that R95’s story is true.

by Anonymousreply 100January 25, 2022 7:11 PM

Juliette Binoche told it, I think on Graham Norton but I may be wrong. Find it.

by Anonymousreply 101January 25, 2022 7:17 PM

While they were announcing the nominees for my category, I felt very serene. I didn't realise I had won until my agent tapped me on the elbow, telling me I had to move. He was crying and I was thinking, 'Why?' It felt like a dream.

First of all I wanted to give it to Lauren Bacall, because we were all expecting her to win it [for The Mirror Has Two Faces]. So I said, 'She deserves it,' and I was looking for her in the crowd. I asked, 'Where are you?', and she didn't lift her hand - if she had, I would have given it to her. I thought, 'Well, never mind then, I'll keep it.'

Later, I saw her and she said to me, 'That was my Oscar. You stole my Oscar. I got the Golden Globe, I got the SAG Award, but I wanted this one'. She does have a dry sense of humour, but that was the way she felt: it came from the heart. And I did feel, that after such a big career, they should have given it to her.

I had a hard time finding a place for it when I brought it back home. I didn't know how to deal with it, especially as a mother. I don't want my children to think of me as too important, or a show off. So I keep it in my office. It's simpler.'

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by Anonymousreply 102January 25, 2022 7:23 PM

[Quote] she didn't lift her hand - if she had, I would have given it to her. I thought, 'Well, never mind then, I'll keep it.'

Such a phony actor thing to say.

by Anonymousreply 103January 25, 2022 7:44 PM

She was good enough in Mirror that if she hadn't been such a bitch to so many people she probably would have gotten it.

Same for Streisand with Funny Girl. Right off the bat in Hollywood her ego and self importance rode over everything. People were taken aback. Hepburn had won the year before. The Oscar was all Babs for the taking. But if she hadn't made enemies and I don't think she did she certainly put enough people off that they didn't vote for her. People joke that if Streisand hadn't voted for herself Hepburn would have been the sole winner.

by Anonymousreply 104January 25, 2022 7:51 PM

It's interesting that she snagged an Honorary Oscar in 2009; maybe she had a couple of friends in high places who picked her for that one.

by Anonymousreply 105January 25, 2022 7:54 PM

R 105 Fortunately for me, because I despise Lauren Bacall, she forgot to mention her son Sam Robards in her acceptance speech and that haunted her for the rest of her life because, as she herself told, Sam grew up feeling like the least important of her children (his father wasn't as attention-grabbing as the other two's) and that just confirmed it. So she never forgave herself for the omission and grew to hate the Oscar that she had craved for years.

by Anonymousreply 106January 25, 2022 8:03 PM

She was at a party at Gloria Vanderbilt's house and was such a cunt that a group of guys were going to throw her into the pool. Vandy got wind of it and stopped them before they did it.

by Anonymousreply 107January 25, 2022 8:03 PM

Sam Robards was much cuter than his siblings, so I hope that offered some compensation for being overlooked. He really doesn't resemble either parent.

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by Anonymousreply 108January 25, 2022 8:57 PM

Sam had a very hot nude scene with Samantha in SATC. He deserved a better mother than that twat on that basis alone.

by Anonymousreply 109January 25, 2022 9:24 PM

In what world and old mind is R108 cute? He looks like Pauly Shore.

by Anonymousreply 110January 25, 2022 10:37 PM

Leslie was a pretty teen. She looked like Elizabeth McGovern crossed with Betty.

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by Anonymousreply 112January 25, 2022 10:59 PM

I only know her from being channeled by Karlie Kloss Kushner (KKK) in the spring 2010 ads of Dior.

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by Anonymousreply 113January 25, 2022 10:59 PM

Damn. That pic isn't a patch on classic Bacall.

by Anonymousreply 114January 25, 2022 11:04 PM

The young woman was a natural knockout.

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by Anonymousreply 115January 25, 2022 11:18 PM

Bacall had perfect features and harmonious proportions. A very modern face.

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by Anonymousreply 116January 25, 2022 11:21 PM

R126 I don‘t know. She looked a bit boyish and cold. Like she would need lots of fillers and injections to be popular on Instagram today.

by Anonymousreply 117January 25, 2022 11:40 PM

She looks like she'd be a successful model. Then and now.

by Anonymousreply 118January 25, 2022 11:57 PM

I was hoping someone would post that pic, r115. Gorgeous…, but r66 is correct that she quickly developed a hard look…

by Anonymousreply 119January 26, 2022 12:00 AM

Looking at the 2 pics of Sam @ R108 & R112 I'd say Gerard Butler crossed with Pauly Shore

by Anonymousreply 120January 26, 2022 12:53 AM

Sam Robards has FLAVAH!

by Anonymousreply 121January 26, 2022 1:14 AM

And to think no one would've ever heard of her if Bogie hadn't slipped her the ol' plonker.

by Anonymousreply 122January 27, 2022 6:53 AM

Surely you mean Howard Hawks?

by Anonymousreply 123January 27, 2022 3:04 PM

She marched into a deli on Columbus Ave. and went over to the cold drinks and retrieved one and stood on a short line at the checkout. When the man in front of her gave her the once over, she haughtily replied "Yes, even great stars drink Yoo Hoo!"

by Anonymousreply 124January 27, 2022 3:11 PM

Mean old woman but aren't they all. At least nobody expected otherwise from Bacall -- but it did cost her that Oscar. Same goes for Michael Keaton whom I remember not being very popular on set at his peak.

by Anonymousreply 125January 27, 2022 5:04 PM

But she was mean her whole life.

by Anonymousreply 126January 27, 2022 5:05 PM

And not considered a great actor. More of a professional wife/widow.

by Anonymousreply 127January 27, 2022 5:09 PM

[quote]More of a professional wife/widow.

Her long career after Bogie died suggests otherwise, r127. You don't have to be a fan, r127, but it's disingenuous not to be objective about her accomplishments.

by Anonymousreply 128January 27, 2022 5:13 PM

She won two Tony’s. Both for Best Actress In a Musical, of all things.

by Anonymousreply 129January 27, 2022 6:55 PM

Didn't Tom Bosley win a Tony for a musical?

by Anonymousreply 130January 27, 2022 6:56 PM

She dined out on the goodwill of her married name.

by Anonymousreply 131January 27, 2022 8:02 PM

No. She put in the work on the Broadway stage. She was very limited. But she had star quality. And she turned up eight times a week.

by Anonymousreply 132January 27, 2022 8:07 PM

Don't forget she was also married to Robards, who doesn't have the cache of Bogart, but was considered the great interpreter of O'Neill if nothing else, which carries quite a bit of cultural currency.

by Anonymousreply 133January 27, 2022 8:23 PM

Bacall with almost nothing but charisma and determination and that hair managed to turn a turkey like "Woman of the Year" into a smash hit and an entertaining night out on Broadway.

As with "Applause" the audience mostly showed up out of sheer curiosity, just daring her to pull it off...and she did!

by Anonymousreply 134January 27, 2022 8:25 PM

Why would the audience turn up to the her second musical out of curiosity?

by Anonymousreply 135January 27, 2022 8:35 PM

Bacall wasn't her married name, r131.

by Anonymousreply 136January 27, 2022 9:03 PM

She was know to some as the Widow Bogart.

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by Anonymousreply 138January 27, 2022 9:04 PM

And she was known to others as Betty.

by Anonymousreply 139January 27, 2022 9:05 PM

R128: "Her long career after Bogart..."

Thanks, that was funny. Such notable films...

by Anonymousreply 140January 27, 2022 9:05 PM

5 Broadway shows and two Tonys, r140.

by Anonymousreply 141January 27, 2022 9:25 PM

R140, The Fan, The Mirror Has Two Faces...

by Anonymousreply 142January 27, 2022 9:27 PM

r140 is an antivaxxer who has no problem with Sarah Palin spreading her germs at Elio's.

by Anonymousreply 143January 27, 2022 9:32 PM

[Quote] And she was known to others as Betty.

Not to lessers like you she wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 144January 27, 2022 10:13 PM

[quote]Why would the audience turn up to the her second musical out of curiosity?

They STILL couldn't believe it, it had to have been a fluke!

Plus, it was a decade later, there were new people to be surprised.

by Anonymousreply 145January 27, 2022 10:30 PM

Why didn't they flock to "The Fan"?

by Anonymousreply 146January 27, 2022 10:37 PM

Bacall a BITCH!

by Anonymousreply 147January 27, 2022 10:48 PM

I always heard she wanted to play comedy parts, but her husband wouldn't allow it.

by Anonymousreply 148January 27, 2022 10:51 PM

[quote]Why didn't they flock to "The Fan"?

Because "The Fan" was a suspense/melodrama not a Broadway musical.

Plus, Sally Ross wanted hearts, not diamonds, but I digress...

by Anonymousreply 149January 27, 2022 10:56 PM

I wonder how she got along with Kate Hepburn when she accompanied Bogart to Africa to film THE AFRICAN QUEEN…Kate didn’t suffer fools or snobs.

by Anonymousreply 150January 27, 2022 11:11 PM

They became pals, r150.

by Anonymousreply 151January 27, 2022 11:29 PM
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by Anonymousreply 152January 27, 2022 11:31 PM

Kate was a fan of Betty's character in MAN WITH A HORN.

by Anonymousreply 153January 27, 2022 11:33 PM

I saw her in WOMAN OF THE YEAR. She was a star indeed. In WAITING IN THE WINGS, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 154January 27, 2022 11:57 PM

I saw her in Applause when I was boy. I really didn't really know who she was except that she was a STAR! And very famous. She walked out and suddenly the huge Palace was filled with her charisma. It was pretty glamorous and exciting. I mean she wasn't good but she was great.

by Anonymousreply 155January 28, 2022 12:41 AM

Did she have any trepidation about the gay bar scene?

by Anonymousreply 156January 28, 2022 1:20 AM

I got to know her a bit- she was demanding, poorly groomed most of the time and angry. She had a chip on her shoulder and acted as if she was desperate for work. Meanwhile she had instant stardom, married Hollywood royalty, got into a number of good films and through force of personality became a stage star. She was intensely disliked by her Broadway peers because she was so abusive- classic kick down kiss upper. I found her to be a tough broad, very real, very angry, very liberal (!) and very ambitious. Her image as a sophisticated grand dame was all artifice-her accent was learned. She had a helluva life but she was not the sort of well bred social lion of elegance her image suggested. In person she bordered on slovenly except when fixed up for an event. A complex and unpleasant woman, but still interesting. And in person from middle age on, not a beauty at all- hard. Striking when fixed up- a lot of it was a hairy pose. She acted like she was broke and almost a victim at times when she really led a golden life, plenty of money- where did all the anger come from. I’ve known similar people. That’s why I said she was very real.

by Anonymousreply 157January 28, 2022 1:43 AM

“Haughty” not hairy, lol

by Anonymousreply 158January 28, 2022 1:44 AM

R157, very interesting. How did you get to know her? Did you work on Broadway?

by Anonymousreply 159January 28, 2022 2:11 AM

The Binoche Oscar story is hilarious and something I haven’t heard in 25 years since that Oscar show. I’m sure Juliette deliberately waited until she was dead to tell it. I can only imagine Lauren coming up to her and telling her that in a half joking half serious way (kind of a classless thing to do, considering Juliette saluted her in her speech, leaving out the other three nominees). I’m now convinced her reputation in Hollywood really cost her that award. Strange, bitchy woman that Betty.

by Anonymousreply 160January 28, 2022 4:30 AM

interesting read, but i don't know what to make of it. Also, it was written in Bacall's lifetime.

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by Anonymousreply 161January 28, 2022 4:53 AM

R141, R142, Bogart died in 1957. Her Broadway 'success' didn't start until 12-13 years later. And R141 proved my point. Her films have been forgettable since the early-1950's.

R143 is wrong, and also needs a new hobby.

by Anonymousreply 162January 28, 2022 5:10 AM

Thanks Charlie/R157. Very well said.

by Anonymousreply 163January 28, 2022 5:11 AM

I very much enjoy hearing all of these stories, and I believe them to be true, though it still doesn’t take away my affection for Bacall either.

by Anonymousreply 164January 28, 2022 5:32 AM

I liked Bacall as a personality, the public persona she projected anyway.

by Anonymousreply 165January 28, 2022 6:05 AM

She became a Broadway star in Cactus Flower which was a big hit years before Applause.

by Anonymousreply 166January 28, 2022 12:05 PM

Regardless how bitchy she could be, she’ll always be a favorite of mine ever since I checked out the OBC of Applause from my local library as a young gayling

by Anonymousreply 167January 28, 2022 7:08 PM

Actually, r166, she became a Broadway star in Goodbye Charlie a few years before Cactus Flower. A miscast Debbie Reynolds got the film, but Betty originated it on Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 168January 28, 2022 7:18 PM

When she's on, I change the station.

by Anonymousreply 169January 28, 2022 7:19 PM

Bacall got into a mild fender bender in Beverly Hills a few months post-Oscar. Thd rumor around WeHo was that the police opened the trunk and found a buu uh McD of 8x20s of Juliette Binoche, all of which had been slashed with scissors. Probably apocryphal, but it was a fun story to imagine.

by Anonymousreply 170January 28, 2022 7:29 PM

Bacall made at least two great (IMO) movies in the 1950’s: How To Marry a Millionaire and Written On The Wind … Designing Woman is also fun.

by Anonymousreply 171January 28, 2022 7:31 PM

Between Bogart and Sinatra, Betty had two of the biggest and most legendary Hollywood cocks. Was she a size queen?

by Anonymousreply 172January 28, 2022 7:39 PM

R172, by all accounts yes

by Anonymousreply 173January 28, 2022 7:44 PM

Well, who can blame her?

by Anonymousreply 174January 28, 2022 8:40 PM

R166, interesting that she played in that for three years, yet Ingrid Bergman got her part in the movie version.

Is that another result of her Royal Bitchiness?

by Anonymousreply 175January 28, 2022 9:21 PM

She never had starring roles in film after the 50s, yet she remained a star. She had a unique look and husky voice. She appeared in The Shootist, Misery and Murder on the Orient Express.

by Anonymousreply 176January 28, 2022 9:56 PM

The Fan wasn't a starring role?

by Anonymousreply 177January 28, 2022 9:58 PM

Yes, it was. Someone had already mentioned that and indicated it wasn't a success. It's the exception that proves my point.

by Anonymousreply 178January 28, 2022 10:45 PM

R176 Even then she was pairing up with better talents:

The Shootist- John Wayne, James Stewart, Ron Howard, Richard Boone, Hugh O'Brian, Harry Morgan, John Carradine, Scatman Crothers, and Alan Napier

Murder on the Orient Express- Albert Finney, Ingrid Bergman, Sir John Gielgud, Vanessa Redgrave, Sean Connery, Jacqueline Bisset, Michael York, Anthony Perkins, and Richard Widmark

Misery- James Caan and Kathy Bates are 95% of the movie. Richard Farnsworth has 3% and Betty Bacall only had 2%.

by Anonymousreply 179January 28, 2022 10:46 PM

She was an old lady. Big shock that she was headlining TV movies at best, for the most part.

by Anonymousreply 180January 28, 2022 10:51 PM

Why was she so unpleasant to people? Wasn’t there a thread about her years ago that mentioned how poorly she treated her daughter while they were out in Manhattan shopping or something?

by Anonymousreply 181January 28, 2022 10:59 PM

She was raised without a father.

by Anonymousreply 182January 28, 2022 11:09 PM

But Goodby Charlie was a bomb. Does debuting on stage in a disaster make you a star of the stage? I don't think so. That's why I said she became a Broadway star with Cactus Flower which was a big hit.

by Anonymousreply 183January 29, 2022 1:29 AM

"Goodbye Charlie" was not Miss Bacall's high point!

by Anonymousreply 184January 29, 2022 1:32 AM

R181, probably because she started at the top, and may have realized she got more attention (and respect?) when Bogie was alive.

by Anonymousreply 185January 29, 2022 3:27 AM

Goodbye Charlie got great reviews for Bacall, and she was the toast of NY for a few weeks. That’s when she relocated permanently back in NYC and bought her apartment at the Dakota.

by Anonymousreply 186January 29, 2022 3:34 AM

[quote] She was what they used to call a great old broad.

No, and stop trying to make “old broad” happen.

by Anonymousreply 187January 29, 2022 3:57 AM

She oozed charisma and attitude. Not a fake sincere falsely humble faux 'intellectual' drunk at 11 am like that hideous old Crone Joan Crawford.

Bacall was modern, because her politics were. She wouldn't read a line she didn't like and she never sold out. Except for that creep Barbra Streisand. She wasn't a great actress but she's was a great star in a way that people can't really be anymore. By sheer force of character and personality, the projects that were built around her and the VERVE that she brought to them. She was sexy too - in a very unusual way. Gorgeous and imperious, better than you.

Lauren had the best friends. Coward, and Vivien and Larry and Burton and Taylor and Capote. She and Katherine Hepburn were lifelong no nonsense friends. Great supports to one another. Unfussy dames who didn't go much for the frivolities of stardom. Was Bacall high class? Higher than charlie. None of her friends laughed at her behind her back. She was respected and a bit feared.

She just got old and without a decent escort and she always knew that she wasn't that talented. Many of her friends died and she wasn't exactly mother of the year. But she WAS interesting. And interested. A great liberal. And the most modern and unusual beauty in her youth. Intelligent. A game changer. Her film appearances from the 1940s make her iconic forever. Lauren wrote one of the best Hollywood Autobiographies of all Time. Touching and insightful. She had a sturdy mind and wasn't always nice. Bitch made an impact. If you are 25 years old and see her in To Have and Have Not - you're still gonna take note and say - Who is that?

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by Anonymousreply 188January 29, 2022 5:05 AM


test test

by Anonymousreply 189January 29, 2022 5:06 AM

Goodbye Charlie was 1960 and Cactus Flower was in 1965, r162.

by Anonymousreply 190January 29, 2022 5:13 AM

Nobody looks like this anymore. Not pretty or 'youthful.' A grown woman. A great looking woman of incredible style.

The Mirror Has Two Faces. charlie has four.

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by Anonymousreply 191January 29, 2022 5:19 AM

I'm their savior, that's what they call me

So Lauren Bacall me, anything goes

by Anonymousreply 192January 29, 2022 6:57 AM

I once stood on the sidewalk just to watch her argue with her limo driver in the most petty and nasty way. He gave as good as he got and the two of them acted as if their bickering was the only thing in the world of importance. Betty was petty and unpleasant and I could tell she was wrong. I couldn't get over how invested in this silly pissing contest she was and neither of them cared that I was just standing there just a few feet away watching them.

by Anonymousreply 193January 29, 2022 7:10 AM

I’m watching Mirror Has Two Faces on Amazon prime. It is much better than I remembered! Bacall and Streisand’s scenes together are great.

by Anonymousreply 194January 29, 2022 4:49 PM

Pain in the ass or not, I loved her work in "Ready to Wear" and "Dogville". Get very hip somehow, not stuck in the past.

by Anonymousreply 195January 29, 2022 5:18 PM

Bacall was a star in the old style while being a woman in the modern style.

She was not nice or easy to deal with, but I don't care. I wasn't having breakfast with her.

Her politics were always very advanced and she spoke her mind well when interviewed.

And she was stunning in Murder on the Orient Express - the first time I think I saw an older woman portrayed as completely in control of both herself and the people around her. Bacall was surrounded by much better actors, but without her, the film would lack that vital core of glacial anger that motivates them all.

The only present-day actor I can think of with similar levels of charisma is Robert Downey Jr., who is arguably more talented but who, like Bacall, essentially is able to tap into himself in ways that make him a major presence on the screen. Like her, he was unusual but exquisitely beautiful when young and then developed a hard look that he owns. (He's also probably impossible to deal with, but for very different reasons).

by Anonymousreply 196January 29, 2022 5:48 PM

I love when she gets machine-gunned in Dogville. That's how much I love the bitch.

by Anonymousreply 197January 29, 2022 7:33 PM

I know we have some ancient mummies posting here but she can't have babysat for all of you, can she?

by Anonymousreply 198January 29, 2022 7:36 PM

The Feline Face

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by Anonymousreply 199January 29, 2022 7:52 PM

R197, I was really hoping she'd get raped in The Fan.

by Anonymousreply 200January 30, 2022 1:34 AM

I was hoping she’d scald herself on a hot cup of High Point.

by Anonymousreply 201January 30, 2022 3:30 AM

"ohh... shit!"

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by Anonymousreply 202January 30, 2022 4:53 AM

Gorgeous woman and with such presence but I'll bever get over the fact that she married Bogie when she was 20 and he was 40 freakin 5!!

by Anonymousreply 203January 30, 2022 5:07 AM

I don;t understand the hate on here for Bacall, you lot should revere the uber cunt.

by Anonymousreply 204January 30, 2022 5:10 AM

It's the most puzzling thing on Datalounge to me, too, R204.

Bacall gets hatred here that makes me suspect she somehow peed directly into half the associated faces of our little community.


by Anonymousreply 205January 30, 2022 5:15 AM

DL likes humor. Bacall didn't have a lot of it.

by Anonymousreply 206January 30, 2022 5:25 AM

^ What a stupid assertion. ^

Ancient white Gays of DL prefer women who are easier to parody or pity. That's not humor. The 78 year OLD white men on here still have mommy issues.

Bacall would laugh at them and they know it.

by Anonymousreply 207January 30, 2022 5:30 AM

Oh, fuck. Nurse, He's out again!

by Anonymousreply 208January 30, 2022 5:31 AM

^ Look, there's an 80 year old white prissy F@G with mommy issues now! ^

by Anonymousreply 209January 30, 2022 5:35 AM

Lol r207 - the ring of truth.

by Anonymousreply 210January 30, 2022 5:43 AM

[Quote] Lol r207 - the ring of truth.

Of, course, you also wrote this:

[Quote] Model Barrett Pall: "I was molested!" The racist elder elder gays are upset with your truth? Ha. Keep it up R117. Old white gay men are always so angry about everything.

by Anonymousreply 211January 30, 2022 5:45 AM

Did you watch the Judith Crown interview? Crown stopped working with her because Bacall though very nice to her(of course) treated her underlings like crap and Crown didn't want to witness it any longer. 'She was mean!' She was very unpleasant to me when I tried to help her in a store where I was clerking once and I was afraid that if I said how terrific she was in Applause she would have bitten my head off. Also a friend who was a framer and framed a lot of her pictures said she once got pissed at him for some reason and questioned his competency for his job. After having worked for her before this came out of the blue and it really shook him.

by Anonymousreply 212January 30, 2022 5:49 AM

It's funny that the AWF troll was the guy who said Bacall never stole a husband, when she very famously stole Humphrey Bogart, Anthony Franciosa AND James Garner, and those are just the ones we know about.

AWF is wrong all the time. Just constantly, completely, entirely wrong. Then he flips out when his mistakes are pointed out. Sometimes I think he does it on purpose.

by Anonymousreply 213January 30, 2022 5:58 AM

What's AWF?

by Anonymousreply 214January 30, 2022 6:03 AM

Ancient White Fags Troll.

by Anonymousreply 215January 30, 2022 6:18 AM

Also, Lauren Bacall was no fan of the singers AWF Troll idolizes.

by Anonymousreply 216January 30, 2022 6:18 AM

She ate my snatch when we made Millionaire together. She told me it had the best FLAVH!!!!!! She has ever tasted.

by Anonymousreply 217January 30, 2022 6:35 AM

Sounds like she needed some Prozac

by Anonymousreply 218January 30, 2022 9:44 AM

charlie sold hankies from his cart outside grand central station - why should Lauren Bacall pay him no mind?

by Anonymousreply 219January 30, 2022 12:11 PM

R219, do you know Charlie personally and have something against him? I noticed several of your posts bash him by name…

by Anonymousreply 220January 30, 2022 2:45 PM

She also did a commercial for the Ford Fairmont but I can’t find it on YouTube…

As if Lauren would ever drive or be driven in a mere Ford…

by Anonymousreply 221January 30, 2022 3:46 PM

I remember somebody here mentioning that she was doing a job for something or other and they sent a car for her and she was furious it was a town car.

by Anonymousreply 222January 30, 2022 11:05 PM

The women in "Waiting In the Wings" shared a shuttlebus. Bacall demanded a limousine. Funny how they didn't gel with her.

by Anonymousreply 223January 31, 2022 12:14 AM

If you've been here longer than 2 years - you know mister charlie. Can recognize his posts without his "signature." A rediculous scolding old fart man. Huge snob himself. Name dropper. Fabulist. Old white man ashamed of being a jew. That's why he hates Bacall. He kisses ass, she kicked ASS.

charlie still thinks Streisand and Judy Garland ARE the worlds best singers ?!? And goes on and on and on about them. He's old old school DL faggotry.

Everybody knows him I think, R220. He would have to pay a lot for my company.

by Anonymousreply 224January 31, 2022 3:07 AM

Not just a fabulist, R224 - a fantasist.

I have caught him out many times but of course when this is pointed out, charlie lashes out.

by Anonymousreply 225January 31, 2022 3:54 AM

Where do these stories about Lauren and Waiting in The Wings come from? Someone’s book, or?

by Anonymousreply 226January 31, 2022 11:56 AM

Rosemary Harris's very nice verbal slap in the face to Bacall when they were working together in Wings must be somewhere in this thread though I don't recall seeing it.

by Anonymousreply 227February 1, 2022 9:32 AM

R222, It was for the Blackglama "What Becomes a Legend Most?" campaign.

She was the first to pose and found the car they sent for her inadequate.

by Anonymousreply 228February 1, 2022 9:39 AM

Bacall and Dakota neighbor Yoko Ono did not get along at all.

by Anonymousreply 229February 1, 2022 9:43 AM

When she appeared in a network t.v. variety special one of the producers sent his son to the Dakota with a television as a gift for her. Of course she wanted it installed in her bedroom and she greeted him in a flimsy robe and shamelessly flirted with him.

by Anonymousreply 230February 6, 2022 4:16 AM

Other than High Point, did she find anything adequate?

by Anonymousreply 231February 6, 2022 6:40 AM

So many elder gays have mommy issues. Is this why the DSM kept them on the books so long?

Lauren Bacall was a specific kind of NYC star with a Hollywood pedigree. She was pretty great. And great looking. What's the issue?

by Anonymousreply 232February 6, 2022 6:47 AM

So weird that a few old men HATE certain women on this site R232. But they slobber over monsters like Joan Crawford and Judy Garland. What are the rules for this type thing.

That Boys in the Band play was real life?

by Anonymousreply 233February 6, 2022 6:52 AM

[quote] Other than High Point, did she find anything adequate?

She loved her elegant Winter Tulip Tumblers from Arby's (just 99 cents with each soft drink purchase).

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by Anonymousreply 234February 6, 2022 7:30 AM

'She was pretty great. And great looking. What's the issue?'

Being a raging bitch to people for no reason is a very big issue.

by Anonymousreply 235February 6, 2022 8:17 AM

She was great looking for about five minutes. And she had a tiny range.

by Anonymousreply 236February 6, 2022 8:33 AM

She was great looking for 40 years. That's 76 years longer than you managed, R236.

by Anonymousreply 237February 6, 2022 8:49 AM

My neighbor was a NYC union theater worker where she appeared in some production, don't remember which. He was chatting with a co-worker in a narrow hallway which led to the door exit to the alley. Bacall was leaving and putting on her jacket at the same time. When she put her arm through the jacket she belted my friend in the face and they were both shocked but she was very concerned and apologetic and they laughed, The next night same drill only this time she slowed down and slowly mocked herself, carefully putting on her jacket and made a joke to my friend. So she wasn't always rude to the little people.

by Anonymousreply 238February 7, 2022 2:18 PM

only some times

by Anonymousreply 239February 7, 2022 2:20 PM

R8- Please tell me who was the bigger CUNT. Lauren Bacall or Faye Dunaway.

DL people you tell me whom you thing was QUEEN OF THE CUNTS- LB or FD?

by Anonymousreply 240February 7, 2022 2:32 PM

Well except for R238 she didn't hit people like Faye.

by Anonymousreply 241February 7, 2022 2:48 PM

R213, a husband - or wife - can’t be stolen. It’s a choice.

by Anonymousreply 242February 7, 2022 3:14 PM

R240 there is no contest… FAYE is the winner without question because she’s a batshit insane cunt with a tendency towards physical violence and a long history of drug abuse.

Lauren was a cranky, bitchy cunt par excellence but her abuse was purely verbal and she always had her sanity, even if someone secretly swapped her High Point for caffeinated. Bacall wasn’t volatile like Faye and never tried to push heavy, full length mirrors on top of stage crew as happened during TEA AT FIVE.

by Anonymousreply 243February 7, 2022 3:57 PM

If nothing else, Bacall was professional and a workhorse.

All during 2 year plus runs in Cactus Flower, Applause and Woman of the Year, she never missed a performance.

by Anonymousreply 244February 7, 2022 5:04 PM

I saw Applause at the Palace in summer of 71 at a Wednesday matinee when it had opened in spring of '70.

I have to say she performed as if it were opening night.

by Anonymousreply 245February 7, 2022 5:34 PM

I still can't believe a young Andy Williams dubbed her singing voice in one picture she did. "You say there's an energy crisis? Well, my personal advice is - - get off your hmmpht, and - - GO!" One of Marvin Hamlisch's campy numbers from "The Fan" - which someone should produce as a musical starring a Lauren doppelganger drag queen.

by Anonymousreply 246February 7, 2022 9:14 PM

When you want to do a search just use Goggle. Put the subject in and Datalounge. Works much better .

by Anonymousreply 247February 7, 2022 9:17 PM

R246, He only supplied a few high notes for her singing of "How Little We Know" in her first film "To Have and Have Not".

by Anonymousreply 248February 7, 2022 9:27 PM

Did she really drink that awful chocolate soda drink Yoo Hoo? I think a waiter I worked with at the Lobster Pot in P-Town told that story about her haughtily purchasing that drink at a Columbus Ave. deli in the 70s.

by Anonymousreply 249February 7, 2022 9:59 PM

I haven't had Yoo Hoo in forever but I loved it.

by Anonymousreply 250February 7, 2022 10:03 PM

In fact, nobody subbed Betty on “How Little We Know.” Andy Williams auditioned for it but when they were going to film, Hawks g thought it wasn’t a good voice match. Bacall sang it herself, including the “high notes.” Hawks verified it in his book.

by Anonymousreply 251February 7, 2022 10:27 PM

Liza Minnelli requires a carton of Yoo-Hoos in her dressing room every night. Itss so in her rider. Of course, she’s not doing concerts anymore, but the Yoo-Hoo was a constant when she was.

by Anonymousreply 252February 7, 2022 10:29 PM

I associate "Yoo Hoo!" with Michael Jackson.

by Anonymousreply 253February 7, 2022 11:11 PM

Wasn't there a theory that Yoo-Hoo was something that protected the throat? It seems a lot of Broadway people drank it back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 254February 7, 2022 11:13 PM

Re Faye vs Bacall- Faye has some kind of psychiatric diagnosis- something that included impulse control and narcissism- if you see her in person, you can tell something is wrong. It’s sad. Bacall was just a mean old broad- angry yes- but mentally ill? No. No reason to feel sorry for her. She lived a charmed life bout you wouldn’t know it from her.

by Anonymousreply 255February 7, 2022 11:37 PM

R251, Bacall confirms to Merv Griffin that Andy Williams did dub some of the high notes @ 4:15.

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by Anonymousreply 256February 7, 2022 11:59 PM

Lisa Minelli used to take gangbangs from Doberman's in both of her Yoo Hoos. She liked to put on a show!

by Anonymousreply 257February 8, 2022 2:58 AM

Walters looks like a frump in the clip @ R256

by Anonymousreply 258February 8, 2022 3:21 AM

[quote]I got to know her a bit...

Beware of what "charlie" (R157) says that about every well known individual that has lived in NYC since the 1950s. He waited on them in a store and suddenly they're "friends." They lived near him, and because of that - he "knew" them. Anyone could have written his post(s) in this thread, the part where he loses me is the usual "I got to know her a bit," which means she could have said a sentence to him. Or not.

by Anonymousreply 259February 10, 2022 1:55 PM

Charlie may embellish his stories a little bit, who knows?

But anyone who repeatedly interacts with a person in a “face to face” setting like a store, restaurant, or hotel does get to know their personality a little bit and can certainly make valid observations as to the person’s manners or attitude. Albeit maybe with their own prejudices about the person mixed in.

Posts like those from Charlie are more fun to read than one from someone who only ever saw Bacall on Merv Griffin. At least it’s based on meeting her in person, maybe with her guard down, and reveals some of her daily behavior out in the “wild” rather than just the show business facade.

by Anonymousreply 260February 10, 2022 4:38 PM

R260, you obviously haven't read charlie's BS for ten + years like many of us have. If you had, you'd know it's mostly far more than embellishing - it's fantasy with an agenda. I guess it is entertaining to a point, but I doubt whether charlie had ANY interaction with Bacall.

If you're interested in hearing from people who have seen and/or interacted with celebrities, 90% of New Yorkers have. Maybe someone should start a thread.

by Anonymousreply 261February 10, 2022 5:33 PM

When Mona Marlowe waited on Miss Bacall.

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by Anonymousreply 262February 10, 2022 7:10 PM

^ Charlie looks good there, R262.

by Anonymousreply 263February 10, 2022 10:27 PM

He worked in Zitomers, R263? I thought he had a cart in Grand Central in the hall to the Lexington exit.

by Anonymousreply 264February 10, 2022 10:57 PM

charlie's cart is well known - he was within drooling distance of some famous people over the last 60 years. he's retired now of course. euphemistically

by Anonymousreply 265February 10, 2022 11:19 PM

I think someone is impersonating charlie since he's reported to be dead since 2020.

by Anonymousreply 266February 10, 2022 11:26 PM

R259, yes I took care of her at Andre Oliver and also had dinner with her and my boss (Danny Zarem) at Elaine’s a few times. Danny was a great friend of Elaine’s and Bacall’s. I suppose I spoke with her on the phone a couple dozen times. My best friend David who lived in the Dakota got to know her at the annual Xmas parties there too which I attended once during that period. So yes- I did get to know her. Tough, unpleasant but very real woman. Nobody’s fool. Why a person with such a charmed life had such a chip on her shoulder I’ll never know.

And yes, I’ve had a pretty charmed life as well, and counting. Most of it in an academic healthcare career.

Ok, R259?

by Anonymousreply 267February 11, 2022 12:35 AM

Give it a rest, charlie.

by Anonymousreply 268February 11, 2022 12:51 AM

R268, can’t help myself- it’s fun to pull chains. Pretty hard to describe those unique times in the pre AIDS years in NYC if you were young, gay, not bad looking, and in my case brought up in a cocoon of privilege in NYC. I’m getting old now, although still enjoying a full life. Along with a small handful of friends who survived an equally unique conflagration to follow those years- shit could we write a book.

by Anonymousreply 269February 11, 2022 1:03 AM

you're dead charlie. your cart died with you. RIP

by Anonymousreply 270February 11, 2022 1:26 AM

Bacall should have slapped the shit out of her for thinking she starred in Gentlemen Prefer Blonds.

by Anonymousreply 271February 11, 2022 2:17 PM

Long before High Point, Bacall drank Maxwell House.

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by Anonymousreply 272February 11, 2022 2:36 PM

Ms Bacall switched to High Point after she and Mr Robards were divorced.

by Anonymousreply 273February 11, 2022 6:00 PM

Mona must have been secreting out lipstick from that upper east side cosmetics store. The cheap brand that Bacall bought. And a lot of it.

by Anonymousreply 274February 11, 2022 6:54 PM

[quote]can’t help myself- it’s fun to pull chains.

R268, and yet I've witnessed tantrums from you that rival David Ehrenstein's.

by Anonymousreply 275February 11, 2022 7:42 PM

Betty, with Vivien, Noel and the delightful Kay Kendall. Kay looks like she's had it with the Widow Bogart.

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by Anonymousreply 276March 17, 2022 8:12 PM

[quote]Ancient white Gays of DL prefer women who are easier to parody or pity.

This one pulls out the "Ancient White Gays" the way other ignorant types pull out the "N" word. He infests every troll with his singular nasty catch phrase. Sad, pitiable and exhausting.

Firstly there are tons of New Yorkers here who've actually interacted with Bacall, or knew her. It wasn't that she was too cunty to appreciate she was something much worse...UNPLEASANT.

by Anonymousreply 277March 18, 2022 12:49 AM

Vivien looking rather matronly (not to mention bored) in the pic linked by R276

by Anonymousreply 278March 18, 2022 1:25 AM

Was Betty Bacall friends with Lizabeth Scott?

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by Anonymousreply 279March 18, 2022 2:16 AM

I wonder what she thought of Ingrid Bergman getting her Cactus Flower role for the movie version. I wonder why they chose Bergman over Bacall in the first place. I like Bergman and she did a good job with the role, but it is not like she was at her peak box officer draw at the time. Bergman herself felt she was too old for the part. Both Bergman's and Hawn's characters were way too good for Walter Matthue's

by Anonymousreply 280March 18, 2022 2:24 AM

R280, Bacall wrote about that in "By Myself". Naturally, she was furious about being passed over, as she had been for the movie version of Goodbye Charlie, for Debbie Reynolds.

But, soon after losing the role to Bergman, Bacall was offered Applause, which was a huge hit and won her a Tony.

by Anonymousreply 281March 18, 2022 3:29 AM

Ingrid Bergman is one of the giants of the silver screen.

by Anonymousreply 282March 18, 2022 8:30 AM

[quote]But, soon after losing the role to Bergman, Bacall was offered Applause, which was a huge hit and won her a Tony.

And the movie role!....errr never mind.

by Anonymousreply 283March 18, 2022 9:16 AM

Bacall did the movie*

by Anonymousreply 284March 18, 2022 9:21 AM

"Cactus Flower" was Ingrid's first Hollywood made movie in many years, after her banishment in the 1950s.

by Anonymousreply 285March 18, 2022 10:38 AM

Bacall's grave is inaccessible to the public.

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by Anonymousreply 286March 18, 2022 10:43 AM

Hell, should make the vile Maxwell House instant coffee *in* the pot.

by Anonymousreply 287March 18, 2022 10:47 AM

Did she nibble on Bogart's ample foreskin?

by Anonymousreply 288March 18, 2022 10:48 AM

Why would she R279? Scott was her COMPETITION, specifically groomed for that purpose.

R285, Ingrid Bergman was in many many films after she was banished from Hollywood and before Cactus Flower. Check out a very good little soap opera called Goodbye Again (1961) about a middle aged woman having a long term affair with a middle aged philanderer played by Yves Montand. The weak spot is Ingrid being pursued by a much younger man played by a too queeny Tony Perkins. It's on TCM often.

As far as Ingrid being cast in Cactus Flower over Lauren Bacall, I think Ingrid being ten years older than Bacall, and somewhat matronly, had something to do with it. After all, the man was played by the fugly Walter Matthau.

by Anonymousreply 289March 18, 2022 1:59 PM

No. If Ingrid was the same age as Bacalll, Bergman would still have got the part. Bacall was not on Bergman's level.

by Anonymousreply 290March 18, 2022 2:01 PM

R290, neither Bergman nor Bacall were box office stars in 1969, only "known" stars of the past to people of a certain age. Neither would bring in audiences in mass at that time regardless of their film history. In fact NONE of the stars of the movie were what would be considered box office. When I saw it, the only star I knew was Goldie Hawn because she was regularly on TV.

by Anonymousreply 291March 18, 2022 2:06 PM

Bergman made more of a long lasting mark in her career than Bacall did. She was a bigger star. She was a better regarded actress. None of this is opinion.

by Anonymousreply 292March 18, 2022 2:13 PM

Sure, R292, but you're thinking of this in 2022. I am going back to 1969, which is when the movie was released. I sincerely doubt that the film producers hired Ingrid Bergman based on her past status because it meant next to nothing to people under 40 in 1969.

Like if you think of The Godfather today, you may go on and on about Brando's fine performance in an iconic film, how nobody else could have played the role of Don Corleone...blah blah blah. I'd go back to 1971 and the controversy of Brando's casting in the movie of a best selling book Brando's career had careened into the ground at that point, and there was much written and talked about regarding what an unreliable choice he was. You may not be aware of this in 2022 because of the success of his performance and the film as a whole.

by Anonymousreply 293March 18, 2022 2:22 PM

R289, You are incorrect. "Cactus Flower" was the first Hollywood movie Ingrid made since being banished from the USA in the 1950s, i. e. filmed in the United States.

Of course she made movies directly after being banished, but they were all filmed outsude of the USA.

There was much media coverage at the time, heralding her return to Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 294March 18, 2022 2:40 PM

You know old movies were shown on TV, right? Movies didn't just disappear once they left the cinema screen.

I guess Lucy should have played the Berman role...

by Anonymousreply 295March 18, 2022 2:53 PM

In 1969 nobody under 40 was going to see a filmed Broadway boulevard comedy. Watching two well into middle aged actors from their parents generation spending two hours to finally get it on was pretty skeevy.

by Anonymousreply 296March 18, 2022 2:56 PM

My friend Julie says she was a real cunt.

by Anonymousreply 297March 18, 2022 2:57 PM

What a silly comment, r296. It wasn't a porno.

by Anonymousreply 298March 18, 2022 3:01 PM

No I remember distinctly when I saw Cactus Flower on TCM in the final scene with Matthau and Ingrid it was sexually quite graphic in a way a gentleman never discusses.

by Anonymousreply 299March 18, 2022 4:12 PM

[quote]In fact NONE of the stars of the movie were what would be considered box office

Walter Matthau had two box office hits under his belt prior to Cactus Flower: "The Fortune Cookie," for which he won an Oscar, and "The Odd Couple," in a role he originated on Broadway. After a long career as a character actor and supporting player, by 1968, Matthau suddenly found himself and in-demand leading man, starring opposite Streisand in "Hello, Dolly!" and Carol Burnett in "Pete & Tillie." It was an odd era when guys who looked like Matthau and Elliott Gould became popular with movie audiences.

by Anonymousreply 300March 18, 2022 4:53 PM

[quote]Walter Matthau had two box office hits under his belt prior to Cactus Flower: "The Fortune Cookie," for which he won an Oscar, and "The Odd Couple,"

Jack Lemmon was the "star" of those movies.

by Anonymousreply 301March 18, 2022 5:33 PM

Where did R300 say he was THE STAR?

by Anonymousreply 302March 18, 2022 6:26 PM

It didn't matter if Matthau was in those movies. They were hits but he was hardly noticed other than be annoying. That's how Walter Matthau got roles - being annoying.

by Anonymousreply 303March 18, 2022 6:31 PM

Can't believe it's been nearly 8 years since this magnificent broad and Hollywood legend died.

by Anonymousreply 304March 18, 2022 6:59 PM

Yes she was everywhere. Then suddenly she was gone forever. WTF.

by Anonymousreply 305March 18, 2022 11:18 PM

Like COVID, just when you think this thread is going to go away, there's another spike.

by Anonymousreply 306March 19, 2022 7:06 PM

Here's a unique group . . .

Nancy Sinatra, Clifton Webb, Stanwyck and Bacall.

This may have been the premiere of "Titanic", which starred Webb and Stanwyck.

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by Anonymousreply 307March 19, 2022 10:52 PM

[quote]It didn't matter if Matthau was in those movies. They were hits but he was hardly noticed other than be annoying. That's how Walter Matthau got roles - being annoying.

So in your world, if you don't like someone, you get to re-write history.

by Anonymousreply 308March 20, 2022 9:29 PM

Bacall is much better than DL's other favorite diva, Dunaway, any day.

by Anonymousreply 309March 20, 2022 9:35 PM

Why is everyone so mean to Betty Bacall????

by Anonymousreply 310March 20, 2022 10:30 PM


by Anonymousreply 311March 20, 2022 10:51 PM

She's the definitive Margo Channing on stage

by Anonymousreply 312March 21, 2022 12:23 AM

R308 = Charlie Matthau

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by Anonymousreply 313March 21, 2022 1:31 AM

Imagine if Betty was in Hello, Dolly with Walter.

Completely different movie.

by Anonymousreply 314March 21, 2022 1:33 AM

Yeah the soundtrack would have been unlistenable.

by Anonymousreply 315March 21, 2022 6:09 PM

R315 How so?

by Anonymousreply 316March 21, 2022 6:11 PM

Fun Fact: Lauren “Grand Larceny” Bacall was a notorious shoplifter. She was caught several times at numerous upscale shops and boutiques trying to steal items when people weren’t looking. She had a fondness for scarves and smaller items. A lot of the times she “got away” with it actually meant that her accountant paid for what she stole behind her back.

by Anonymousreply 317March 22, 2022 5:03 AM

R317, Her Dakota neighbor Rex Reed was arrested for shoplifting CDs in 1999.

by Anonymousreply 318March 22, 2022 8:50 AM

He said he had planned to buy them and had put them in his pocket.

by Anonymousreply 319March 22, 2022 1:13 PM

R319, Tower Records security guards apprehended him as he was leaving their store with three CDs in his jacket pocket.

by Anonymousreply 320March 22, 2022 1:38 PM

Betty was real.

by Anonymousreply 321April 5, 2022 12:07 AM

Was she the Mrs. Michael Douglas of the olden days? Or more the GI Jada?

by Anonymousreply 322April 5, 2022 1:22 AM

[quote]Sure, [R292], but you're thinking of this in 2022. I am going back to 1969, which is when the movie was released. I sincerely doubt that the film producers hired Ingrid Bergman based on her past status because it meant next to nothing to people under 40 in 1969.

In 1969, Hollywood movies were made by adults for adults. They weren't making these movies for teenagers and college kids. Bergman was a famous star, considered one of the greatest actresses, she had already won 2 Academy Awards, a Tony, and an Emmy. She wasn't a "big box office star" any more but neither was Katharine Hepburn and she was still starring in movies. Bacall, on the other hand, had never been nominated for any award and had never won any, and was not the big name Bergman was. Her Tonys and other awards were all ahead of her.

by Anonymousreply 323April 5, 2022 6:18 AM

Ingrid made a triumphant return to Hollywood at the 1959 Academy Awards, ten years before "Cactus Flower".

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by Anonymousreply 324April 5, 2022 10:24 AM

[quote]In 1969, Hollywood movies were made by adults for adults

And increasingly YOUNG adults. That meant movies like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, MASH, Little Big Man, Five Easy Pieces, Where's Poppa, Easy Rider, Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice, Barbarella, The Last Picture Show, Shaft,...The Love Bug and Cactus Flower were successful, but lots of old fashioned stuff like Darling Lili were bombing at the box office. Times were rapidly changing, and Hollywood wanted to cash in on it.

I remember how difficult it was for people over 40 in 1969-70s to find a movie to go to. How they complained on and on how gloomy and unentertaining the new movies were, and most of all, how ugly and unappealing the new movie actors were. They were not the audience Hollywood wanted to please.

by Anonymousreply 325April 5, 2022 3:02 PM

R325: "The Greatest Generation": Unappreciated for their whining.

by Anonymousreply 326April 5, 2022 3:05 PM

R325 Cactus Flower was the 9th highest grossing film of the year. Hello, Dolly was # 5, True Grit was #7 (acc to Wikipedia). Butch Cassidy was #1, Midnight Cowboy was #3, Easy Rider was #4. My parents were in their early 40's and I think they went to Goodbye, Columbus. I know they liked movies like The Odd Couple and Plaza Suite. There was a mix of films at the time. But I meant that movies were not made for teenagers, as they are today. And Goldie Hawn was popular with young people. Bergman was only in her early or mid 50s, and Casablanca was popular with teens and 20-somethings in the 60s-70s.

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by Anonymousreply 327April 5, 2022 6:55 PM

(cont.) The main point I was making was that it was before the era of 20-somthing stars. I know as a kid in that era, I mostly went to movies starring adults, like Jack Lemmon, Paul Newman, Matthau, Shirley MacLaine, etc. It was an era when movies were geared towards adults, young or otherwise. Also if films were rated R (like many you mentioned) I couldn't see them until I was in college.

by Anonymousreply 328April 5, 2022 6:58 PM

Those highest grossing lists usually count the entire time the film was released and re-released, so it's not necessarily indicative of "the year" it was originally out. For instance, Hello Dolly was released in Dec 1969, it couldn't have been #5 IN 1969.

by Anonymousreply 329April 5, 2022 6:58 PM

R329 So what? It was the #5 highest grossing 1969 film.

by Anonymousreply 330April 5, 2022 7:02 PM

I was in my very early teens during that era and others like me had no problem getting into R rated movies. We sure didn't have to wait until we were in college. We were paying for tickets and that's what the theater managers wanted. We didn't ask our parents we just went. Now maybe small children couldn't get in.

Also the biggest blockbuster during that era was Airport which was G rated and determinedly old-fashioned. Everyone went to see it.

by Anonymousreply 331April 5, 2022 7:35 PM

Ingrid Bergman never went out of style

by Anonymousreply 332April 5, 2022 8:55 PM

Beautiful and glamorous, but only a competent actress when young. When older, she was zesty and campy, but not very good beyond that.

by Anonymousreply 333April 5, 2022 8:58 PM

[quote]I was in my very early teens during that era and others like me had no problem getting into R rated movies. We sure didn't have to wait until we were in college. We were paying for tickets and that's what the theater managers wanted. We didn't ask our parents we just went. Now maybe small children couldn't get in.

R331 I was 11 in 1969. I don't know where you lived, but in my town they didn't let kids into R rated movies.

by Anonymousreply 334April 6, 2022 12:19 AM

The actual acceptance best picture Oscar speech at the end of R324 is one person going on stage and saying about ten words. Times have changed, not necessarily for the better.

by Anonymousreply 335April 6, 2022 12:33 AM

Yes,R334, HA!. And nobody under 50 knew or gave a fuck about Ingrid Bergman.

by Anonymousreply 336April 6, 2022 12:34 AM

R336 If nobody under 50 cared about her, Hollywood wouldn't have put her in the movie, and it wouldn't have been one of the biggest hits of the year. Nitwit. She was 54. Nicole Kidman is 54. There are a lot of older actresses people under 50 go to see. Meryl Streep, Renee Zellweger, Jennifer Aniston, Cate Blanchett, etc.

by Anonymousreply 337April 6, 2022 12:52 AM

I was in middle school and going to see movies like Woodstock, Mash, The Owl and the Pussycat either by myself or with a friend and they didn't care.

by Anonymousreply 338April 6, 2022 2:24 AM

Prior to the ratings system in 1968, theaters would post "For mature audiences only" at the box office.

As a 15 year old, I had some trouble purchasing a ticket to see "Valley of the Dolls", but eventually was successful.

by Anonymousreply 339April 6, 2022 2:42 AM

Come on, you can't be serious if you think that the Cactus Flower was a box office hit because Ingrid Bergman was in it playing a frump.

by Anonymousreply 340April 6, 2022 11:48 AM

In 1943 when she lived with mother at 75 Bank Street, Betty Perske was voted "Miss Greenwich Village."

by Anonymousreply 341April 6, 2022 12:20 PM

R341, I was Miss Burbank of 1948.

by Anonymousreply 342April 6, 2022 12:59 PM

R334 you were still in elementary school so that would have been tougher.

by Anonymousreply 343April 6, 2022 4:28 PM

R343, people born in 1958 (R334), started school earlier, so at age 11 they'd be in sixth grade - middle school.

by Anonymousreply 344April 6, 2022 8:52 PM

She seems obvious lesbian like Tatum oneale . Tomboy equals lesbian in my experience. Bogart was gay. In those days Jews were intensely and universally hated. Hitlers attitude to Jews was not unusual.

by Anonymousreply 345April 6, 2022 9:47 PM

Your "experience" is faulty, R345. Look it up.

by Anonymousreply 346April 7, 2022 12:32 AM

R346 Jodie foster also has that extreme tomboy effect. I refuse to negotiate on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 347April 7, 2022 3:23 AM


by Anonymousreply 348April 7, 2022 3:24 AM

people born in 1958 ([R334]), started school earlier, so at age 11 they'd be in sixth grade - middle school.

R344 A couple of you guys have mentioned middle school. In 1969, there really wasn't middle school. We had Junior High School. 6th grade was elementary school. 7th and 8th were Junior High. (Sometimes 9th.)

by Anonymousreply 349April 7, 2022 3:43 AM


by Anonymousreply 350April 7, 2022 3:46 AM

[quote]Come on, you can't be serious if you think that the Cactus Flower was a box office hit because Ingrid Bergman was in it playing a frump.

It's a movie about a receptionist who loves her boss, a dentist, and poses as his wife so his young girlfriend won't get serious about him - as far as I remember. I doubt the audience averted their eyes every time Ingrid Bergman was on the screen to focus on Goldie Hawn and Walter Matthau. She was the female lead and I assume people enjoyed her performance, since it was a hit. (It was remade with Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler - I forget the name - it was also a big hit.)

NYTimes review:

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by Anonymousreply 351April 7, 2022 3:54 AM

Why was she called Betty?

by Anonymousreply 352April 7, 2022 4:29 AM

Because, r352....that was her name?

by Anonymousreply 353April 7, 2022 4:33 AM

She was active enough, thank you!

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by Anonymousreply 354April 7, 2022 5:24 AM

R349, MIDDLE SCHOOL is simply another name for Junior High School, grades 6, 7 and 8.. Did you know that High School used to be called SENIOR High School?

by Anonymousreply 355April 7, 2022 2:15 PM

I graduated in 86. At the time our elementary was K-6. Small town, so junior high and high school were in the same building, but the junior high end was grades 7 through 9 and the senior high end was 10 through 12. Grade 9, freshman, was in some ways separate from both the 7th and 8th graders and the senior high end as if it was a transition from junior high to senior high. Especially in sports, in ninth grade you started participating in the high school teams, usually JV.

I think in the old junior high versus senior high, grade 9 could be in either depending on the size of the town, if there were separate schools etc.

I think at some point the K-6, 7-9, 10-12 elementary/junior high/senior high breakdown was more commonly replaced by the K-5, 6-8, 9 to 12 elementary/middle school/high school breakdown. Although it might depend on the actual school district and small town versus city.

by Anonymousreply 356April 7, 2022 2:26 PM

[quote]MIDDLE SCHOOL is simply another name for Junior High School, grades 6, 7 and 8.. Did you know that High School used to be called SENIOR High School?

R355 Sorry, but that's wrong. Few if any middle schools were established until the 1970s, and they were not really widespread until maybe two decades later. The range of grades is different in junior high school and middle school. People didn't just decide to change the names of all the junior high schools to "middle school."

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by Anonymousreply 357April 7, 2022 2:54 PM

[quote] Why was she called Betty?

Her real name was Betty Joan Perske.

by Anonymousreply 358April 7, 2022 3:00 PM

As the article states, there was a middle school movement that had different objectives and sought to present a different curriculum from junior high schools, and this has now been largely adopted. I was born in 1958, I went to Junior High School, so did my dad. Kids born in the next generation went to middle schools.

by Anonymousreply 359April 7, 2022 3:01 PM

People didn't call high school *senior high school*, r355. They called it...high school.

by Anonymousreply 360April 7, 2022 3:06 PM

R357, no I'm not wrong. Not every state/region is identical. My experience was well before yours - in the 1960s

I'm from the NYC suburbs and graduated Elementary School (now Grade School) at age 10 having completed FIFTH GRADE. This was 1965. JR High School, graduated after completing EIGHT grade in 1969. Started ninth grade in High School in the fall of 1969.

New York is a leader.

by Anonymousreply 361April 7, 2022 3:10 PM

What people, R360? It was called senior high school by people who were born before the 1940s.

by Anonymousreply 362April 7, 2022 3:17 PM

[quote]What people, [R360]? It was called senior high school by people who were born before the 1940s.

My parents were born in the 20s and they called it high school.

Some differences between middle school and junior high school:

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by Anonymousreply 363April 7, 2022 3:20 PM

This discussion of senior high school vs. high school is just so fascinating.

by Anonymousreply 364April 7, 2022 3:23 PM

For fuck's sake, this is MY thread!

by Anonymousreply 365April 7, 2022 3:58 PM

Betty Bacall here. Just wanted to ask you boys to FUCK OFF with the high school terminology bullshit and get back to discussing me. It’s enough to make me want to fall off the wagon and start drinking caffeinated again.

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by Anonymousreply 366April 7, 2022 4:14 PM

Middle school was 7th and 8th grade back then. Sixth grade was most definitely elementary school. High school was high school.

Fuck off Betty. We need something interesting to discuss instead of wondering how in hell you got a lifetime Oscar. For Designing Woman? Jesus Christ.

by Anonymousreply 367April 7, 2022 4:36 PM

STFU about school!

by Anonymousreply 368April 7, 2022 4:49 PM


by Anonymousreply 369April 9, 2022 12:48 AM

My name is Betty Perske and I approve of this Middle School!

by Anonymousreply 370April 9, 2022 4:35 AM

I love her in BIRTH:

"Maybe THAT'S Sean..."

by Anonymousreply 371April 10, 2022 12:23 PM

R371, I loved her apartment in "Birth".

by Anonymousreply 372April 10, 2022 2:44 PM

Nothing brought her as much intense joy as Arby's Roast Chicken Santa Fe.

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by Anonymousreply 373April 11, 2022 5:16 AM

This thread died when we stopped talking about middle school.

by Anonymousreply 374April 11, 2022 10:01 PM

R374 Her best performance was as Macbeth alongside the incomparable Laurence Olivier.

by Anonymousreply 375April 11, 2022 10:02 PM

R375 What did he play?

by Anonymousreply 376April 12, 2022 1:08 AM

He was Lady Macbeth. Sorry it was her opposite Sir Charles Laughton

by Anonymousreply 377April 12, 2022 1:33 AM

He was just Mr. Charles Laughton, he was never knighted.

by Anonymousreply 378April 12, 2022 3:58 AM

She's at her most engaged during this BBC interview with Mark Cousins from 2000. I like when he tries to convince her that Written on the Wind has artistic value.

by Anonymousreply 379May 11, 2022 8:08 PM

Even though it was filmed in Europe, “Anastasia” was considered to be Bergman’s “Hollywood comeback” film since it was made by 20th Century Fox. That’s what her “all is forgiven” Osxarcwin was about.

by Anonymousreply 380May 11, 2022 9:05 PM

[quote]He was just Mr. Charles Laughton, he was never knighted.

The Queen had heard all about those sandwiches, and was thoroughly disgusted (and a bit intrigued).

by Anonymousreply 381May 11, 2022 9:07 PM

Jewish dyke

by Anonymousreply 382May 12, 2022 5:32 AM

This is the interview I was trying to post at 279.


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by Anonymousreply 383July 22, 2022 5:56 AM

R371 I loved her in Birth Of A Nation!

by Anonymousreply 384August 13, 2022 4:44 PM

Oh, wait, that was Henry B. Walthall.

by Anonymousreply 385August 16, 2022 12:52 AM

One of her loyal fans sent this…

Dearest bitch, see how accessible you are? How would you like to be fucked with a meat cleaver?

by Anonymousreply 386October 31, 2022 5:10 PM

I just watched The Fan. Should be on a DL much watch list

by Anonymousreply 387October 31, 2022 6:49 PM

[quote] someone pointed out that when young she resembled Bacall,

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by Anonymousreply 388October 31, 2022 10:12 PM

R388 she’s much more attractive than LB

by Anonymousreply 389October 31, 2022 10:14 PM

Both of them had those heavy eyelids which MUST have restricted their vision.

by Anonymousreply 390October 31, 2022 10:21 PM

Lauren was one of the most talented actresses ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.

by Anonymousreply 391October 31, 2022 10:23 PM

[quote] her struggles

R391 Are you pulling our leg?

by Anonymousreply 392October 31, 2022 10:26 PM

the thing about Bacall is , I feel, that she was too much ahead of her time. She would still be sensational on the catwalk today, and she was born to play modern parts, active women (she didn't need cafeine, thank you). She was so obviously unhappy in her marriage to Bogart, she really dried up before she was 25. and she was a monument of bitterness for the rest of her life, but underneath, you can see there's a terrific gal. When I see that pic (thanks R366) I see an actress who would have killed it in the 70s, 80s, 90s, playing the parts that Jackie Bisset, Jane fonda or Candice Bergen played, but with so much more charisma

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by Anonymousreply 393October 31, 2022 10:29 PM

R391 You talk like an Irish-Catholic.

by Anonymousreply 394October 31, 2022 10:46 PM

and maybe I am ? thanks R394

by Anonymousreply 395October 31, 2022 10:50 PM

Is she considered a great actress?

by Anonymousreply 396March 18, 2023 1:15 AM

Yes, her best role was on an episode of the Sopranos, R396.

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by Anonymousreply 397March 18, 2023 1:25 AM

Lauren discusses her life and career with David Frost.

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by Anonymousreply 398March 18, 2023 2:51 PM

Flew on a shuttle flight with her from DC to NYC after New Year's Eve many years ago. Read later that she was at Ben Bradlee and Sally Quinn's NYE party. When the flight landed, she popped up and did a dramatic turn to face the rest of the plane, and then when no one noticed her, she turned around dejectedly and was visibly not happy. She was met at baggage claim by her driver, where once again no one seemed to notice her but me, collected her Louis Vuitton luggage and then she was off.

She didn't seem like a happy person to me. There was a desperation and sadness about her. She was still a striking older woman, intimidating, strong-looking with a masculine energy.

by Anonymousreply 399March 18, 2023 3:54 PM
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