Happy 30th Birthday to The Prince of Tides!

Nick Nolte was SO HOT.

The soundtrack was beautiful.

However. Barbra. Chile. Shit.

What garbage!!!! Absolute pablum.

Harold and Maude marks 50 years. A life time ago but still fresh and alive.

Prince of Tides was the last great adult romantic drama.

Movies today are video games for retards. With bonus end credit scenes. Oooooooo! Droool drool aspies.

I agree Miss OP. It was a masterpiece and with the above. The last great American adult romantic drama. Now all we get is super heroes and car crashes.

Her nails should’ve got top billing.

It was very schmaltzy but I guess that's what I like about it. It was romantic and old-fashioned. Beautifully shot and I loved the music.

Jesus what a piece of garbage. Streisand is at best a mediocre director. That silly montage scene with Streisand and Nolte falling in love, especially the scene of her asleep on his lap, completely and utterly posed to within an inch of her life, is beyond ridiculous. Note of course that even her "just been fucked" clothes match perfectly - of course they do. The woman has the worst taste and terrible instincts as a director.

R7. YES. A Self indulgent fuckhead. Digusting. Eat me, BarBRA!

Where's Kate Nelligan? She was quite good. In the movie she basically plays two characters if you think about it.

Where'd she go?

Oh well. I liked the film. Finely made. Nolte cleaned up mighty well! It's sad as hell. Babs was serviceable and Jason was surprisingly good. I truly respect Streisand but one must have quite the suspension of disbelief in order to take her character seriously in regard to Nolte eventually romancing her.

I'm tired and my English is seemingly floating out the window obviously.

Every few years there's a movie about anal rape.

I wish Faye had played Lowenstein. The film had a lot of camp potential but was weighted down by a sense of its own importance.

Fuck Barbara's NAILS. She is HIDEOUS.

The film still works despite her narcissism..

Can you imagine how good it could have been if someone like Sidney Lumet or Lasse Halstrom had directed Barbra the narcissist?

Lowenstein!! Lownestein!!!!

Avigdor, wait!

I love this song

I watched this with my old roommate back in the day who was a therapist and she just kept howling about Babs' characters breach of professional ethics in f'ing Nolte's character.

I am SO not a fan of this movie.

But I do love the Pat Conroy novel.

Pat Conroy (author of Prince of Tides) is actually a good writer, IMO. I read PoT a long time ago, but I remember being moved by the story. If you're looking for easy, engrossing, week-between-Christmas-n-New Years reading, give it a try.

Lowenstein should have been played by Barbara Hershey. She had the dark beauty and sophisticated carriage of Lowenstein in the book.

r19 yes she would have been a great choice. Once again BarBra got in her own way.

Such a ridiculous masturbatory fantasy. Only Barbra would pretend she can cure your wounded child and fulfill you sexually with good lighting and a ridiculous manicure. If the roles were reversed the offensiveness of sexually assaulting a rape victim under the ruse of “treatment” would be so blatant as to be utterly offensive.

[quote] That silly montage scene with Streisand and Nolte falling in love, especially the scene of her asleep on his lap, completely and utterly posed to within an inch of her life, is beyond ridiculous.

I forgot about that horrible, misty montage.

The other horrible thing about the movie was George Carlin "acting" like Nolte's gay guy friend. Love George Carlin, but he was horrible.

To be fair, Streisand is playing his sister's shrink, not his shrink.

To be fair, it is more important that Barbra telegraph how desirable she is than seriously addressing the ugliness at the core of the story as anything but a convenient plot point.

Whatever. Who cares about child abuse and rape?

We want to see shots of Babs bathed in soft lighting and set to the sounds of sweeping orchestras.

So does Barbra.

It is a good film and I agree Gould and Nolte are great. Streisand's vanity got in the way. She's too well dressed. I remember a therapist I was seeing who also taught talking about having too delicately tell one intern that she dressed to provocatively for the job.

They are supposed to be rather plain. Depressed people, especially a woman seeing a woman therapist, don't want to look at some glamour girl while they discuss their problems.

George Carlin's performance is sort of offensive nowadays.

How does she start talking to Nolte?

I know a therapist can't reveal private stuff without the patient signing a waiver.

Not really Streisand's fault but Pat Conroy's.

I don't know if the rules are different if a person is hospitalized but Melinda Dillon has apparently been seeing Streisand for a while. Shouldn't she already have told her all the stuff she's asking Nolte about? (or is Streisand new to the case?)

I think a therapist can dress how they like, within reason. I've never heard that they had to be "plain."

I slept with all my therapists.

I guess there are no rules but it does make a difference. I was once in an ER with someone and the doctor had spike heals and spandex pants on. Made me a bit nervous.

I wonder what she would do if they wheeled in a real emergency and she had to run down the hall to do all the "stat" stuff.

Melinda Dillon who plays Nolte's suicidal sister is tossed aside in favor of Barbra's nails and a very unlikely and unethical relationship between Nolte and Dr. Lowenstein. The film or more specifically the script is a convoluted mess and Streisand's direction lacks subtlety and she wasn't robbed of a Best Director nod by the Academy.

Watched the Criterion tonight. The Blu-Ray looks terrific. Nice transfer.

It still holds up for me. Yeah, it's sentimental but it's moving. Nolte is terrific in it. Barbra looked amazing. She and Nolte had great chemistry. And I liked the subplot with Jason Gould.

R34 but what about the sister that attempted suicide? What does Gould and Lowenstein's euro trash husband have to do with anything? It should be called The Pince of Tidy Bowl; everything gets neatly tied up by the end.

Streisand is perhaps the most vain narcissistic director to have ever made a film. People throw around this statement about Woody Allen (among others), but all of his films heavily touch on his (many, endless) flaws. Babs never lets herself be truly flawed in her movies.

The movie is flawed and Melinda Dillon gets shafted but I do think Streisand was mostly trying to focus on Tom more than anyone.

It's an onion peel movie. Keep peeling the layers until you arrive at the truth. And it stinks!

[quote] What does Gould and Lowenstein's euro trash husband have to do with anything?

Her husband may have been a sleazeball in the story but Jeroen Krabbe the actor has always been a very handsome man. Babs the narcissist also gave herself a good looking husband in the movie so that she could act out her fantasy of being the brave woman who walks out on her attractive husband because he is cheating on her.

The movie is just a glossy soap opera and many of the key plot points from the novel were removed to make room for Babs, her monstrous ego, her dragon lady fingernails and her ugly crotch fruit.

A better script would have eliminated the shrink's family and the annoying as fuck "token f*G neighbor in New York" completely, removed the affair between Tom and Lowenstein, given more screen time to the suicidal sister and kept at least the core of Luke's story. FFS Luke is supposed to be the titular "Prince of Tides" whom Savannah writes the poem about, not Tom.

Babs was delusional when she expected a Best Director nomination for her work. I. B. Singer, who panned her musical version of his story "Yentl the Yeshiva Boy", was right about her bad taste and terrible instincts.

Of course Mentl and POT are practically Felliniesque masterpieces compared to the ghastly "Mirror Has Two Fugly Faces (Shot Only From The Good Side)".

I agree the film should have focused on the Wingo family. However, the affair with Lowenstein is a major part of the book. It could have been left in the movie, just not focused on so heavily.

The fact that Barbra as director actually allowed Nick Nolte's character to make a homophobic insult to Jeroon Krabbe as her boyfriend showed a different unflattering side of her.

The fans forgive all.

The part that annoys me and should have annoyed Barbra as a native New Yorker is the background voices of the people on the street. Nolte says how he hates the city and you always hear over the top comic sterotypes yelling stuff like he buddy, get out of the way or more nasty stuff.

The voices are so poorly acted and comical for a serious film.

Jason Gould though is surprisingly good in a film where everyone but Nolte is a bit over the top. (Kate Nelligan, Carlin) Kate Nelligan should have been nominated for Frankie and Johnny that year instead. She's quite funny in that. (I love how she is so awed that she is actually in Rego Park!)

All I remember about the film was Bab's big long false fingernails.

R44 like the fingernails everything about this movie feels false and overdone like the scene @R41

[quote]The part that annoys me and should have annoyed Barbra as a native New Yorker is the background voices of the people on the street. Nolte says how he hates the city and you always hear over the top comic sterotypes yelling stuff like he buddy, get out of the way or more nasty stuff.

Ha, that’s funny you point this out in POT. I thought the same thing in A Star Is Born during that absurd scene where she wins over the audience after she’s dragged onto the stage (“Woman In The Moon”). In the rowdy audience someone yells out “Rock and Roll!”, so stereotypical and unrealistic.

It was like a big stick of buttah!

the trajectory if the tissue box she throws at his face always seems off, It would have flown downward. (plus what kind of a psychiatrist throws things? They get lots of abuse and are used to it,

I am a South Carolinian, we are required by law to proclaim this a masterpiece.

^ was the law introduced by Babs?

I'm surprised there wasn't much made about the film's 30th anniversary. Babs herself didn't pause tweeting about Trump to commemorate her own film.

Babs in the movie is nothing at all like the Lowenstein character described in the novel. I read the book before I watched the movie, but the movie was already a few years old by then, so I knew Babs had played the shrink. As I was reading the book I kept seeing someone like Debra Winger in the part but not Streisand Herself with her dragon lady claws and that pretentious accent she puts on when she thinks she is being an intellectual.

[quote]It was a masterpiece

R4’s fucking HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH

[quote]Where's Kate Nelligan? She was quite good. In the movie she basically plays two characters if you think about it.

Pat Conroy’s a hack R9. I’ve read a couple of his books and he has one central mother type figure that’s exactly the same in every novel.

Beach Music sucked donkey dick. Worst novel ever written.

Prince of Tides insisted upon itself.

All of Conroy’s work is overheated. Remember it is his story and he wrote the script with Streisand and by the way gave his enthusiastic endorsement. I think the film builds to the event, then petters out with the romance and Lowenstein's rotten marriage. Kate Neligan should have gotten a supporting actress Oscar.

And for those of you unfamiliar with Upper East Side NYC, well dressed and groomed therapists, especially psychiatrists are the rule, not the exception. And keep in mind this character (as written by Conroy) is married to a famous classical musician.

The idea of Jason Gould as a football player was nothing sort of laughable; even as a kid, I could tell he was a gold star twink

All of the comments are so on target. Thank you..

R44 Barbra's nails have always been real.

R57 if I recall his character was not supposed to be a jock but he wanted to be. Nick Nolte was trying to teach him how to play football but could never get the hang of it so went back to his violin lessons.

[quote]Babs was delusional when she expected a Best Director nomination for her work. I. B. Singer, who panned her musical version of his story "Yentl the Yeshiva Boy", was right about her bad taste and terrible instincts.

Yentl is a great movie. Streisand hit all the right notes on that one. She's convincing at the title character, she surrounds herself with quality actors, and the music is first rate and fits the period perfectly.

Happy birthday to feces!

Nolte's character does teach Jason's character to be a good football player. He even says he called Jason's coach.

Jason's character has to go to some school for two weeks at the urging of his father.

R61, isn't Yentl supposed to be in her twenties? The fortysomething Streisand was not very believable as the twentysomething boy she was playing. And I agree with Singer that the ending of the movie is ludicrous, tasteless and just stupid. The original story had a far more plausible ending that also fit the somber tone of the rest of the plot.

Babs was fancying herself a William Wyler giving herself a big boat number in the style of Don't Rain On My Parade.

The most narcissistic thing about YENTL was that Babs was the only on who sang all of the song. Not even Tony-winning Broadway musical star Mandy Patinkin nor Amy Irving who sounds very impressive as the singing voice of Jessica Rabbit in WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT?

One thing you have to hand to Barbra - every film she directed somebody was nominated for an acting award, and it wasn't her.

Amy Irving, Nick Nolte, Kate Nelligan and Lauren Bacall were all nominated.

I went to see this with a friend of mine who was dying from AIDS. He was undergoing chemotherapy for his lymphoma and we were waiting in line and he collapsed from a chemo-induced seizure. We were both in the Navy at the time, both closeted. His command knew he was gay but no one gave a shit. We rushed him to the hospital for a transfusion. Four days later, we were back at the theater and got to see the movie. He died six months later. We loved it. But Barbra cut out a lot of Melinda Dillon’s scenes. Her character was a huge part of the plot in Pat Conroy’s novel. Barbra watered down the dysfunctional family stuff and made it into a love story. Nick Nolte was super, though.