Mr. Gay Germany 2021 is... a woman

I feel sorry for the other contestants. The winner had to have won because of what they are, because I can't see them winning such a contest on an equal footing.

The winner crowned the snatch

[quote]And of course the first thing she does is call (actual) gay men disgusting monsters for not being more open to vaginas or tubes of forearm flesh sewn to a crotch.

Unless you can post a different link with that quote, what you’re saying is untrue. He does talk about discrimination within the gay community, but you’re painting a much uglier picture of his view.

The pertinent quote:

[quote]I don’t care that not everyone is into me. But when (mostly) complete strangers tell me that I have no business in this community, I don’t care. Whether the people like it or not: ‘your’ gay community is also ‘my’ gay community.”

Worse than Hitler!

What a king.

R3 is a homophobe. Stop using male pronouns for this woman.

About six months ago I joined a leather gay group on FB and was surprised to see so many WOMEN in it, like that was normal....I posted a warning on DL at the time but of course you queens had to see if for yourself. The trans and women are taking over the leather fetish realm...A slutty roomie of mine went to a local gay leather meeting and came back and told me 2 women showed up (and they were not a couple)....

Another trolling attempt

You're trying to divide people.

Go away.

What’s divisive, R8, biology?

r7 'gay' ftms seem to heavily gravitate to kink/leather. And thats where most of the fucked up 'gay' men who are so wired they want to try the kinky 'man with a pussy' are so its a match in someways.

Its just so offensive. I used to not care, but its just a lie. Like there is no such thing as a gay man trapped inside the body of a female. Therefore the fact SHE has the arrogance to gaslight us, demand and enact her homophobic fetish - and on top of that be legitimised for it, is fucking degrading. And fuck all the 'mostly gay'/ bi men in the leather, kink, sex worker etc etc (you know the type) enabling these CUNTS. Had enough.

"One might actually think that gay cis men were exactly at this point once. That they had to fight for space, visibility and the life and experience of their sexuality. "

Thats exactly the point, you fuck. We HAVE fought hard to know we dont want snatch. We have fought for decades for out right not to be told we have to be attracted to vaginas. We arent a 'type' of gay man for doing so, we ARE the gay men, you homophobic little girl. Sorry there are insecure 'gay' men, gaslighting bisexuals who claim to be gay in some settings and bi in orders, who have enabled your delusion.

Piss the fuck off.

R3 How conveniente that you chose to leave out the ACTUAL pertinent quote:

"“As a trans person, I experience discrimination every day. In fact, unfortunately, again and again from the (cis) gay community,” Appenroth told Queer.de."

She specifically used the opportunity to target real gay men. Gay men, who research has shown are the least violent human population. She could have gone after the heterosexual men who are beating up transgender-identified people, but no, she went after us. But as we all have come to understand, when transgender-identified people talk about "discrimination" from "cis" gay men and lesbians, what they actually mean is "they won't fuck me and that upsets me".

*Convenient

Lol my native language is Spanish, so that didn't register as weird.

Why do they keep locking all the threads about 'gay' pornstars fucking women/ftms? I cant post in most of them ffs. Anyway saw a tweet (about Dirk Caber) "why is it always bisexual pornstars thinking they can unilaterally redefine homosexuality?" Dirk refers to himself as gay when he wants and ‘not totally gay/homoflexible’ in others (so bisexual). Why do we allow these psychos to do this shit. Cancel the fucks. Dirk caber Atlas grant Joelsomeone Will angel ‘bruzerXXX’ Silversteele (who is the worst - constant pussy all over his feed) Talks about how lucky he is to fuck them. GASLIGHTING, stupid old fag. Like ‘queer ftm nomad and daddy’s pig’ - calls themselves ‘dickdopamine’. GOD I hate these little girls and the insecure faggots helping them delude themselves by enabling themselves to ‘finally’ fuck pussy. It all reads of insecurity in masculinity which is why it seems to be sweeping through the bear/kink community. But its already too late, this shit has seeped completely and utterly into gay porn. It will on bread more little fucks growing up to think they are ‘sub bottom fags who need cock in their MALE pussy’ and create even more avenues for gaslighting bisexuals, or insecure gay men.

Treasure Island Media seems to be the big meeting for all these new found pussy fuckers. The owner has given podcasts talking about how he only watches straight porn in his personal life as the men are more masculine and how he himself fantasises about trying FTMs - probably has since. Every interview he did with 'gay' pornstars he would obsessively ask them all about if they have fucked women, if they would do ftm scenes etc, what was it like fucking pussy etc etc. Its just an obsession with it which seems to breakdown into 2 things - bisexual and highly sexual/compulsive men espousing their new kinky sexual thrill in the same way some discover fisting. And insecure gay men who fetishize masculinity and get off on the fact they are fucking pussy like the masculine need they are so attracted to.

Muriel, please!!!

There's another fat, ugly, DIVISIVE troll for you to red-tag at the top of the thread!!! Thank you, my dearest Muriel.

Troll5920, maybe?

I can smell her cunt and hear her Munchkinland voice from here

actual gay men discussing how females and bisexuals are gaslighting us is not trolling. I have fucking had it. Its because we have been told to be 'inclusive' that we have got to this point in the first place. Homosexuals arent sexually aroused by pussy. There have been actual phallometric studies on this ffs.

A heterosexual woman is not a gay man r3 and it is homophobic to suggest that she is and that gay men should treat her as such. Stop being wilfully blind to what she's actually demanding when she says "your gay community is my gay community".

Gross

She can win all the titles she likes; only a tiny fraction of men (straight or gay) will want to fuck her. And she did that entirely to herself.

I think she has a boyfriend.

Wow, Germany got it wrong.

MEN, are their own worse enemies. I've said this for many years. Now, the gay community is seeing it also. There are gay men at the top of all these gay organizations and gay media groups pushing this bullshit. They refused to integrate it slowly, tactfully, and fairly. They refuse to differentiate between gay MEN and trans men. Like R3 and R15, they refuse to understand the growing outrage among gay men isn't about hating the "trans community" or not wanting to support them, but about the demographic of gays (and lesbians) who were brutalized, marginalized, and mistreated for hundreds of years, and was just coming into its own equality when this new movement aggressively blunted all that work to gaslight and strip away much of the gay identity, all for the sake of embracing and coddling a vocal group that is comprised mostly of angry, homophobic and, among some, mentally ill people who insist there are scientifically various sexes. The global media has also embraced it, suddenly and without qualification. We barely achieve the right to marry who we choose, and yet in just three or four years, you can re-gender your child, have absolute Federal and State protections to dress like a clown at your job without fear of being corrected, to use whatever restroom you want, to be something strictly by "identifying" as it, and to see the opposite sex infiltrate and take over the spaces of women, lesbians and gay men. The trans movement gleefully follows a scorched Earth policy yet will melt down, harass and "cancel" anyone who dares to challenge their actions.

Meanwhile, no gay man in America can donate blood or a kidney to his spouse, even if the spouse were on their deathbed. Gay men and lesbians are STILL being fired from their jobs and marginalized in many legally protected ways. And yet, all aid will rush to the side of any trans person who's been name-called on Twitter.

So, maybe all of that should be considered by those of you who whine and bitch about the snarking, anger, and debate here over trans people. The "trans community", (which ironically is not interested in being a community at all) has no moral or legal right to be embraced without question, without paying some dues; not with how they've eviscerated the gay community in their march toward being branded as "normal'. No wonder gay men (and women) are angry. And we're only going to get angrier, and more vocal until it finally boils over. And I can hardly wait for it.

She looks like a more hirsute Elliot Page.

Oh, and "Max Appenroth, a trans activist and diversity consultant."

A diversity consultant, because of course she is.

I truly dont understand supposed gay men who fuck ftms and think they are actually men. Like how can you be balls deep in a vagina and you brain signal thats a man? I have fucked pussy - it obviously feels good, thats what its for. But I am not sexually aroused by it as an entity and in no way could I think I was having sex with a male even if they 'looked' like a male from the waste up. The cognitive dissonance is just staggering. Are they insane or liars?

Leather, and kink, FTMs can be fucked up too.

They then detransition and live their 'tradwife' fantasies out with homophobic bisexual men like this guy who divorced his husband as he wanted a woman to have children with and live a 'more deeper and meaningful' life.

I mean seriously ' Pushed my desires for women back as I thought I should just be gay'. Bisexuals and FTMs are both terrible.

R14, to be honest, pornstars and morality don't go together. Most are mentally disturbed, addicts that lack boundaries and common sense. I doubt wider society really cares much about these human waste bags.

r29 every second zoomer gay has a 'nsfw' twitter account and they emulate what porn 'stars' are doing, so its actually being reflected in the wider and normal gay population. Most gays act like they are pornstars

It's MA'AM!

Congratulations, Princess Tinymeat.

Ive never seen a good mastectomy, on a FTM. It seems that no matter the surgeons skill, any time they have to reattach the nipples, they end up looking like lopsided chewed pepperoni

^^ You're putting me off my pizza

If she wanted to have sex with men, why didn't she just stay a woman? How hard would that have been?

And R12? "Gay men, who research has shown are the least violent human population"? Show me the data, honey, because I would bet my last cent that that statement is false.

Looks like Vince Parker has gone through with his desire to start doing straight porn too. Not just FTMs, but cis women now

Personally,I never gave a flying rats ass what anyone "identified" as . I always thought its a big world with enough room for every flavor. All I ever cared about was wether I got the dick or not. The rest is just white noise. So what if these people call themselves gay men? So what if they chop off their tits and grow beards ? Why are so many of you so affected by it ? This whole labelk thing is the height of silliness to me. Why call yourself anything at all / Why not just simply be?

Shame

r37 another bisexual telling gay men about homosexuality. You dot care. Cool. I do. And why is calling yourself a label 'silly', but you arent fazed by women cutting their tits off and calling themselves GAY men. Suddenly thats live and let live? You are a hypocrite.

R39 Oh honey,you are way off ! Ive never fucked a woman in my life,nor have I ever had the desire to do so. But I dont look down on anyone who does either. Lets put it this way...if a guy comes up to me and lets me know he's interested,do you think I ask for his fucking credentials ??? Hell no ! Im on the dick,period. And if he goes back to his wife or girlfriend after,who gives a flying fuck ? I sure dont. You keep on trying to shove people into neat little boxes to satisfy some weird fetish of yours to categorize human beings.I know people are complex,and can be one thing one day and something else on another. Save all your bile for someone else,Im an old queen who has seen way more shit in life than you can imagine and Ive had a helluva good time with no ergrets. Let people do what they want and quit being such a judgemental twat.

R15 will you please slit your throat? Thank you.

Well, "he's" not going to win any men's swimming titles, I can tell you that!

R27, I couldn't watch that, I tried, but her dolphin voice and his chew toy voice is hideous. Isn't the detransitioned woman mutilated? How is he planning on having kids with that? I don't know for sure but a lot of them seem like homophobes.

r43 um have you not seen the countless stories of ftms giving birth? Most trans people dont go through 'full' transition in terms of their genitals.

r44 Yes they're fake.

eyeroll

There are a lot of hypocritical FtM trans who just have to have their breasts removed otherwise they will kill themselves, and who take testosterone so they can masculinise their features and grow some facial fuzz but who always make sure to take only a low enough level of testosterone so they can still get pregnant, even though theoretically that should cause them great distress and suffering. Of course, when they want to become pregnant they're totally fine with coming completely off this otherwise life-saving testosterone that they allegedly cannot function without.

Yes and they HAVE to cut their tits off or they will kill themselves (breasts are female and dysphoria inducing apparently) but somehow gay men arent supposed to think (know) that a vagina is a female sex characteristic and its offensive if they dont want to fuck them? Explain to me this? The blatant hypocrisy drives me insane.

Suddenly its absurd and fetishisitc for a homosexual not to want to eat snatch. Some men act as though its laughable, and an act of insecurity. No, you little LARPer, gay men arent into pussy.

R49 bisexuals started this bullshit. Trans and bisexuals, especially those who "identify" as "gay", are the ones deliberately pushing bisexuality and trans sex onto gay people. It's so fucking obvious and blatant, and yet you go on Grindr and everyday I have bisexuals and trans messaging me asking me why I'm so "strict" that I don't want sexual and romantic involvement with bisexual threesomes, trans sex, and women in general.

What BTQ+ are doing, is deliberately targeting gay people who are vulnerable or still uncomfortable with being gay. A lot of which are self loathers to begin with and wish desperately that they were straight or bisexual. The damage being done inside the gay community which is DIRECTLY related to BTQ+, is insurmountable. You are only going to see an even higher increase of all this "new "homosexual" pussy love and pussy fucking, and bi worship inside the gay community. Frankly, there is no "GAY" community anymore. It's all intersectional BTQ+ bullshit and straight freaks running the show with everything. Gay people and homosexuality are now offensive and are "too narrow".

r51 Sort of related to above but not directly trans, I just watched this video below today. From 17mins onwards they talk about how basically 'bad' it was pre pandemic that gay clubs advertised to gay men and that they deliberately need to 'queer' it. So many jabs a 'cis white gay men' in the video and some woman (drag queen) talking about how transwomen led stonewall and that queer people have been deliberately erased from history in favour of gay men etc. Not to get all Mary, but women, bi's, queers, trans etc are now scolding gay bars for being exactly-gay bars. And its not like they make their own, no they just consume what gays have built and try to act as though gay people 'stole' it from bi/queer/trans people or some shit.

[quote] If she wanted to have sex with men, why didn't she just stay a woman?

Women are boring. It’s much more interesting to be a walking, talking WTF. “Wait what … you’re a gay man in a woman’s body?”

Sorry, that should say dragking, not dragqueen in talking about how stonewall was all TWOC

r35 they want escapism and this gives them that; they can change their body and become someone else, all the while getting attention and validation. This is always attractive to some people and females in particular. They are far more likely to change appearance and personas over the years compared to men and fall for faddish sub culture and identity

"This is always attractive to some people and females in particular. They are far more likely to change appearance and personas over the years compared to men and fall for faddish sub culture and identity."

I'll say it again for the cheap seats: show me the data!

Says you, r55. Why so many MtFs, then?

Hair (head, face, body); tattoos and other adornments; and yes, clothing (e g., though the basic suit has changed little, there have been different styles throughout the years). Even preferred body type, which has come round to slim. Color choices. Hats. Who wears fedoras or bowlers?

Check any fashion runway for men and get back to us.

As for women being far more likely to change...personas....and identity," what does this even mean, regarding anyone not in Show Business? Have you observed your female relatives and neighbors behaving this way?

Are you misinterpreting the natural act of aging? "Look at her! She changed her hairstyle and clothing choices from when she was 15!"

That video seems very related to trans/queer homophobia. It's been in the drag scene for a while now, all of them parrot the same forced inclusion/"white gay men are bad", nonsense. What that ugly, bold cheeseburger "artist" or whatever it's called had to say and that Dora the Explorer manager is typical crap they've been saying for several years now. They really don't know anything about history, gay rights or anything that isn't related to their personal "trauma" or identity, and always seem to have some sort of drug or mental problem.

It's true what you said, R52, that they just take everything that's gay and slap the trans/queer label on it and claim they invented it.

This was posted on Reddit today:

[quote]Just like with any community online, there are a fair amount of questionable things about it. The trans community is not an untouchable exception. The main issue i have seen that affected me and others is the unquestioning "if you think about being trans you are trans no doubt, thats what you are" "cis people dont question their gender" mindset, as if there is no other possible answer to solve your dysphoria. True self discovery from all angles is discouraged in favor of automatic transing.

[...]

[quote]like a social contagion. it has all the symptoms of that. i find it comparable to the eating disorder social contagion and self harm social contagion ive seen, every group ive been in with other teens no matter how different has devolved into a pit of suicidality, body dysmorphia, and severe gender dysphoria. All these problems resolve/get better once the group splits up, and everyone becomes healthy again. It happens like this again and again. Considering it is pretty much just in the west, and is spread through tumblr and tiktok and etc, i have a very hard time believing it isnt at least somewhat socially fuelled - especially since i know personally i would never have called myself trans if it wasnt for the internet.

[quote]The other big issue in the trans community is the inability to accept criticism leading to censorship, deeming anything that questions them or makes them uncomfortable as "transphobic" and trying to purge it - when it is non-violent, and does not take away rights or cause any harm to a trans person. Posting a joke tiktok is treated as though on the level of a violent hate crime. I find it odd that the western trans activists claim to be victims of a right wing genocide but the enemies they focus on arent murderers or right wing politicians - the Number #1 evil enemies of the online trans community now consist of people saying you need dysphoria to be trans, people expressing concern for youth being groomed into transitioning, random old terfs and feminists who wont ever make any impact on the world, etc. Detransitioners who break out of the narrative are expelled socially. Ive seen many posts on tiktok from trans people saying that detransitioners should never tell their experience because it harms the trans community, with many cis people agreeing. Why is trans comfort more important than showing every side of reality that matters and can help people?

[quote]There are multiple times ive seen people banned from subreddits or reddit as a whole for stating these nonviolent opinions on gender, their crime of transphobia simply being not participating in the narrative. Ive seen people kick their close friends out of friend groups for not supporting neopronouns. At some point it becomes clear these people cannot handle someone suggesting a different viewpoint, as if theyre scared of changing their own mind the moment they let such an opinion contaminate the air.

[quote]All trans problems might seem just online but here is a real headline: " UK'S Biggest Cervical Cancer Charity Shuts Down Disgustingly Transphobic Lie That 'Only Females Get Cervical Cancer' ". This proves both that they take their word as the only law (calling it a lie) and that this is all getting in the way of actual science and reality. We cannot even diagnose sex specific disorders least we hurt a trans persons ego and disprove their identity. Sex still exists with male and female, even if apart from gender identity with men and women, and they know this, but they let their dysphoria control them like psychosis. It is not healthy when it gets to this point. It feels like encouraged delusion. Things like this that warp reality should not be encouraged to young kids.

Straight up linking to stupidpol, go back to drama you fucking incels

I don't understand the connection, R60, but my 15+ years on DL proves otherwise.

“Another trolling attempt

You're trying to divide people.

Go away” r 8

We are already divided. That is the problem. You can’t make us more so. The whole Trans agenda would not be able to pushed as much as it is without the huge leaps in Gay Rights. But these are being used against us now and we are being told that the Trans movement is “ Our” movement and if we don’t support it we must be Right Wing Incels. I mean WTF!!

We are in a society where we have a small minority controlling the majority and because they fear losing their power, every time someone says this is bullshit, the majority get told they are bigots. What is worse they are being told they are bigots in the name of Gay people, who aren’t even half way to believing all this bullshit.

This New World Order, this Trojan horse is End of Civilisation shit. The fucking Chinese will come in, laugh at us as they destroy us and we will be yelling Trans Lives matters as we are marched to Concentration camps. Bullshit

R61 Assuming I believe that, being middle aged and going to stupidpol would be way more pathethic.

Don't get caught up in an anti-trans mindset because of what you see, especially online, from lunatic activists. In face-to-face interactions, most tans people are nice, reasonable and rational, and not out to destroy gay identity. You also need to notice who is pulling the strings here - on one hand there's crazy, evil far left ideologues who are using the trans issue to try to destabilise social norms and structures, and on the other hand you have right wing culture warriors who are trying to whip up fear and a nasty reaction. The fact is, I'm a homosexual and not a homogenderist. I won't be sleeping with any transmen, and I'm sure most of them will be thrilled to hear I'm out of their dating pool. I am an acquired taste, after all. The answer to this conflict is to maintain your personal boundaries, and to be unapologetic in doing so. The answer is not to rant and rave against trans people.

R64, unfortunately those "lunatic activists" are having legislation passed so this is no longer a matter of maintaining personal boundaries. I hadn't heard this particular example before but what the kid in the post above said about cervical cancer is very real and it's just the tip of the iceberg:

[quote]You also need to notice who is pulling the strings here

Speaking of pulling the strings, here is an excerpt from the Trans Journalists Association's style guide for the media and reporters:

[quote][bold]avoid giving a platform to TERFs or so-called “gender critical feminists”[/bold] Some anti-trans rights groups and individuals use the euphemism “gender critical feminism” to describe their hateful ideology. They are also sometimes called “trans exclusionary radical feminists” or TERFs. This ideology should not be elevated in the press. When reporting on fringe groups and hate groups, instead of calling them TERFs or gender critical feminists, use language like transphobic, anti-trans, etc. Avoid referring to anyone as a feminist when they are spreading anti-trans hate.

[quote][bold]Don’t ask for or publish a person’s criminal history unless it’s completely relevant.[/bold] Be aware that trans people are disproportionately criminalized and policed. If the person you’re reporting on has a criminal record, reporting that information could have consequences for that person. For instance, it could make it harder for an individual to find work. Reporting on that criminal record also perpetuates stereotypes about trans people. If that history is not relevant to the story, you should not report it. If it is, you should consult with the individual about whether they are comfortable with that information being published. Before proceeding, discuss the potential negative impact publishing such information could have on them. You may need to find a different source or give the source anonymity if you cannot proceed with the story without publishing their criminal history. Publishing such information is rarely in the public interest. Consider killing a story if you have no alternatives.

[…]

[quote][bold]Section 2 — Terms and Phrases To Avoid[/bold]

[quote][bold]biological women/men or born male/female[/bold] Avoid the terms “biological gender,” “biological sex,” “biological woman,” “biological female,” “biological man,” or “biological male.” These terms are inaccurate and often offensive. When necessary, you can refer to someone’s assigned sex at birth using terms like “assigned male at birth” or “assigned female at birth.” These can be abbreviated as “AMAB” and “AFAB” after first reference. Think seriously about whether a story requires this information.

[quote][bold]identify as/identifies as[/bold] Avoid the phrase “identifies as” to write about a trans person’s gender when replacing it with “is” doesn’t change the meaning of the sentence. This language questions a trans person’s gender by calling it an “identity” instead of just stating someone is non-binary or a man/woman. Journalists never write about cis people’s genders this way. Extend the same respect to the trans people. It is only acceptable to use this language when quoting a trans source. [bold]Instead use: is[/bold]

[quote][bold]male-bodied/female-bodied[/bold] “Male-bodied” and “female-bodied” are inaccurate terms and are often considered offensive. Male and female bodies come in all shapes in sizes with various primary and secondary sex characteristics. [bold]Instead use: assigned male/female at birth or raised as a boy/girl[/bold]

[quote][bold]male-to-female (MtF), female-to-male (FtM)[/bold] These terms used to be a common way to describe a trans person. In recent years, they’ve come to be considered outdated and sometimes offensive descriptors. Journalists should avoid this language unless quoting a trans source.

[…]

[quote]“Detransitioning” is generally defined as seeking gender-affirming medical care and then stopping it and/or attempting to reverse its effects. Journalists have overemphasized and sensationalized stories about detransition. Narratives of detransition should be generally avoided because they misrepresent the social and financial complications of transition. They often suggest trans people should not have bodily autonomy and give fuel to the far right’s attacks on trans youth.

That"style guide" is genuinely disturbing.

It was written by trash, what did you expect ?

It is actually a fascist document.

[quote]Significant changes... will appear in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR), to be released by American Psychiatric Association Publishing in March.

[...]

[quote]There have also been significant updates to the terminology to describe gender dysphoria. The term “desired gender” is now “experienced gender,” the term “cross-sex medical procedure” is now “gender-affirming medical procedure,” and the term “natal male”/“natal female” is now “individual assigned male/female at birth.”

The only problem I have with those changes is "assigned at birth," which is a nonsense and unscientific term. Sex is not assigned in the vast majority of cases, it is observed as an objective material reality.

This is all about controlling the masses. If you can get people to say Black is White and White is Black and make them feel unsure of anything they ever thought sure of then, you have the ability to control people. That is where we are at.

R72 EXACTLY. This trans bullshit is no different to religion or s cult.

This is the agenda of the radical postmodernist / neo Marxist forces who are using the trans thing so blatantly. They want to break down all established social roles and structures so they can rebuild society in an imagined radical utopia of equality.

So she's in a straight relationship?

Do people just assume we are too stupid to see reality and through these fakers?

There's a lot of social pressure on people to go along with it in public, especially among younger people. In private, what people think is often different.

Why don't they have their own contest?

This is what is so grating to me. Be proud of being trans - that's a unique life experience of its own.

This woman does not know what it was like to grow up being a gay man and never will. A gay man will never know what it's like to be born a woman and trans to a man.

They are completely different life experiences, both of which can be celebrated. But to treat them as if they're equal is ridiculous.

Can you imagine if a gay man decided to enter a trans contest because they always 'felt trans'?

[quote] In private, what people think is often different.

What they think differently in private is meaningless if they have repeatedly failed to oppose and vote this lunacy out. All this gender identity cult scheme has been clear and out for all to see for years (and has effectively been changing law in the West) and yet no big, loud, organised opposition movement so far

[quote] Why don't they have their own contest? [...] Can you imagine if a gay man decided to enter a trans contest because they always 'felt trans'?

Because of same old violent invasion tactic: "Cis - the oppressor, privileged class - and trans - the oppressed, marginalised, vulnerable, underrepresented class - are not on equal footing. Therefore, cis actors cannot play trans & cis-gay-only space is transphobia that shouldn't exist. But only trans can play both trans and cis, only trans can have both trans-only-spaces and infiltrate and steal all the gay spaces/resources as well."

Welcome to my world guys.

And now this new law in Switzerland. Just walk into the Registry Office and declare yourself the other sex. I can't believe it.

This woman is very uncompromising in her attitude but I must admit I support every word she says

Posted this exchange from yesterday on another thread, but it works here too. Boy George was being a typical man and telling us women to shut up as he explained to us what our real concerns for our safety as women and an exasperated Marilyn told him where to stick it. Thank you Marilyn for standing up for the real gay community, defending our right to speak our minds and for being brave enough to say this stuff publicly.

Boy George:

[quote]Trans people are not a threat to women or female spaces. All the trans women I know carry themselves with grace and respect for the goddess energy. If you don't like me having an opinion fuck off and don't follow me. Anyone who wants critical thinking please stick around.

Marilyn:

[quote] No they fukkin don't!!!! How can you lump everyone into the same car agora!! Trans women are DIVERSE, not the same individual replicated ad infinitum!! You sound ridiculous

[quote]I find it utterly nauseating that the gay community fought for DECADES to have a voice, and one of the first things they do after getting one is SHUT PEOPLE UP WHO HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS!!!! How the FUK can they justify THAT behaviour?!! And then there’s the implicit threat >

[quote]2) that anyone who doesn’t parrot the ‘party line’ will be targeted and labelled ‘anti trans’!! It’s fukkin disgusting!! And no, I’m not frightened of being labelled by any of them, because my name is MARILYN bitch, and I have FOUGHT for the freedoms they enjoy today!!

[quote]Nobody is going to fukkin bully ME into chatting absolute bollox for fear of some half wit ‘coming for me’!! You can kiss the blackest part of my ass!! Fear and intimidation?? I think NOT!!!! I wonder if they know how despicably hypocritical they are being!! Don’t fuk with me!!"

I actually wish the only thing I had to worry about with biological males "identifying as female" is "taking over porn" that I don't even watch. Unfortunately, biological males invading our spaces comes with actual physical danger because of the physiological disadvantages and the fact that males, in general, are more likely to be violent thanks to testosterone.

No joke, the other night, I was pulling into my driveway and this "figure" made its way toward me wearing purple women's yoga pants, a floral-printed spaghetti strapped tank (in 5 degree weather), and Converse sneakers. They started approaching my car and as this person got closer and closer I, legit, was trying to figure out if it was a man or a woman. The closer they got, the more obvious it became that it was a clearly a very burly man. Of course I didn't get out of the car but once he got to the window he explained, in a hefty baritone that he didn't even bother to pitch-adjust to sound more feminine, that he thought I was someone else and then swiftly disappeared into my neighbor's backyard. I think he was on drugs.

This is why I carry. That shit was terrifying.

Bottomline, a gay man can easily bare-knuckled beat the shit out of a transman or "woman in drag" if necessary. We cannot do the same with a transwoman or man in drag. I think that's why when trans issues are discussed in the mainstream, it's mainly transwomen who are the source of contention because they can do actual physical harm.

Either way, they need their own spaces, categories in competitions, etc. This is getting tiresome.

[quote]In private, what people think is often different.

Well, they need to speak the hell up. Because this is some bullshit and it's causing actual harm, now.

Remember that Wi Spa incident? Remember how TRAs called all the women liars, labeled it a hoax, and then violently attacked women protesting the spa for allowing him to stay because "trans women are women just by saying so" apparently? Remember how it actually turned out to be a whole male sex offender? Remember how the TRAs who violently attacked women protesting his presence suddenly went radio silent when the truth came out?

Yeah, I 'member.

R64, you say most are nice, but look what happened in that Pride parade last year with that disabled guy wearing a lgb shirt, were those the majority "nice" trans your talking about?

R62, "End of Civilisation... the Chinese!!!...something Orwell... AGENDA AGENDA AGENDA".... If it talks like a right-wing incel....

R82, Why are we supposed to give a fuck what homophobes think?

Good thing, then, r81, that Switzerland has finally given women the vote!

[R82], Why are we supposed to give a fuck what homophobes think? R87

If you listen to the whole podcast, which clearly you didn’t they discuss the Trans movement’s affects on Gay kids. They are not homophobic.

Throwing words around and calling people Nazi and bigot, homophobic etc does nothing for anyone. The words are so common and used so often that I would not be surprised to learn that at least 95% of all Datalounge users have been called that in the last couple of years at least twice!. It is like the boy who cried wolf, said so often it means nothing and when it actually does really occur we will all think it is like every other time.

r89, it's all they have, they can't argue on its merits because it is based on delusion so they attack with ad hominem. I really just want to ask them one question: why are all other forms of dysphoria treated as mental conditions whilst gender dysphoria is treated as a human rights issue?

I'll answer for them: it's because the trans movement shrewdly attached itself to the existing gay rights movement and gradually subsumed it. They are acutely aware that it is the goodwill built up by the gay community that allows them to push their ever expanding and lunatic agenda. That's the reason there can be a million trans-specific organizations or groups but no one is allowed to start a gay/lesbian specific organization or group. Don't believe me? Check out the furor generated over the mere existence of the LGB Alliance. Or better yet, just try starting an exclusively gay/lesbian organization or group yourself and see how far you get with that before the insults/threats start.