We're moving to Georgia from California

To take the hand of a preacher man, and make love in the sun

Lots of hot closeted men looking to fuck.

Tell us what race you and your husband are so we can give you an accurate response.

Congratulations 🍾🎉

If you move to SF, you can go to any store and just take what you want without repercussions.

Where in GA? I’m a recent transplant to the ATL area and love it here so far.

It depends, have you been undressed by kings? Seen things a woman ain't supposed to see?

Set your watches back about 150 years.

OP, what part of California?

If you are from the far northeast corner of CA, you will fit in just fine in GA.

Do not hold hands in public. There are many violent gay crimes in Georgia. Have eyes in the back of your head.

Deplorables.

The water smells.

Watch out for them ternaders!

I know a lot of people who have moved to Georgia and plan on moving there. Essentially everyone who has moved there really loves it

TNorth Carolina is growing even faster than Georgia right now

Isn't Atlanta gaytown?

Why do people pretend states are just one place. I assume you are moving from Atlanta, so say that.

And where in California? There is a big difference if you are used to Fresno or if you are used to San Francisco.

Humidity.

To Atlanta*

Are you Democrats? If so register to vote as early as possible and make sure to vote in the midterms. Stacey Abrams and Raphael Warnock need to win

Hopefully you're in an open relationship - if not, you will be.

I've lived in the same apartment (er, condo for the easily triggered) for 45 years and have gone through countless neighbors from all over the US. I have yet to meet a single one who didn't love Atlanta.

Yeah, folks love Georgia

Georgia Native here, welcome!

If you're a Democrat, don't forget to register to vote in midterms next year. Warnock and Abrams both need the votes.

Something along these lines:

Humidity, bugs, homophobia, and racism.

Hi everyone! I'm moving from Europe to Asia! What can I expect?

It's a large state with a diverse population, metro-Atlanta's a big urban area . . . the business capital of the South, lovely neighborhoods, great dining and shopping, but horrible traffic. I suspect you'll like it overall.

I prefer North Carolina

The South can be lovely. Someone I know moved to North Carolina a few years ago and said people say hello to you, hold the door for you and are not aggressive drivers like in the NY metro area, but they can't drive in snow which is rare anyway.

[quote] but horrible traffic.

If he's coming from any of the major cities in California the traffic in Atlanta won't be any worse than he's already used to.

The humidity can be oppressive.

We do have air conditioning you know.

There's also been a lot of celebrities moving to Georgia as of late as well. Britney Spears has even been looking for a house in Atlanta. She's wanted to move to Georgia for a very long time.

Money goes a lot further here.

OP I assume your husband has already been to Atlanta prior to accepting the new job? What were his initial opinions? I have to assume he was somewhat positive about it or he wouldn't have accepted the position.

One major thing you can expect is to be able to afford a far nicer home in Atlanta than you could afford anywhere in California.

The Rock just moved here two years ago. Georgia is the entertainment capital of the south. You can't go anywhere in Georgia without bumping into a Movie set or Television production etc.

Mariah Carey has always been spending a lot of time here and she also records her albums here as well.

R35 Not exactly a selling point for moving to Georgia.

And seasons

Celebrity life is nowhere near middle class life— so, “Celebrities are moving here!” Isn’t a great selling point

It wasn't meant to be a selling point. It was pointing out that a lot of people are moving here to Georgia, for whatever reasons they have.

We have everything in Georgia. Coca cola, president Jimmy Carter, peaches 🍑 Eventhough South Carolina grows more. Beautiful warm weather. Roosevelt's southern home that he died in in warm springs Georgia. And so much more. There's just so much history here to enjoy if you live her.

Georgia sells its self!

And it’s becoming bluer and bluer!

If you are looking for a more walkable, urban like environment move to midtown.

Outside of that it is pretty much suburbia.

Welcome back to the closet!

Outside of Atlanta Savannah Augusta Macon Columbus etc. The rest of Georgia is pretty much rural with low quality white supremacist assholes.

AKA Margaret Taylor Green territory unfortunately. Especially North Eastern Georgia. Purely Trump/Republican territory.

Learn to go from idle speed to 90mph, every other minute. If you can't drive in this manner, don't come!

Get ready for lots of heat and horrible humidity during the spring and summer months.

It's awful and muggy.

[quote] The rest of Georgia is pretty much rural with low quality white supremacist assholes.

That is completely and utter hogwash. I have a summer house in a very rural part of the low country of Georgia. I have met some of the nicest people I've ever known during my times there. I have yet to see a Confederate flag being flown anywhere in all the years I've owned the place. I see white good ol' boys out at lunch in restaurants with black and Latino coworkers having a great time constantly.

Really, you need to learn what you're talking about before you start spouting stereotypical bullshit.

Greenville SC is becoming the new Asheville. Prices there have skyrocketed.

Being sodomized by inbred hill dwellers.

R34 but one does go outside

But I guess when it's 115° in the shade in Palm Springs that's perfectly comfortable. Find something better to bitch about.

Burning cross on the lawn

Two of my top students from California got full ride scholarships to Emory a couple of years ago.

Do not engage retards on porches with banjos.

R52 Very rare like blizzards in Florida and there is AC after all. And 115F in Palms Springs is no more oppressive than 98F with high humidity.

Humidity is vile.

R50 Gran, when was the last time you visited Georgia?

Fine folks there.

There arent white supremists there, that is a stupid myth. Ooooooo white supremists EVERYWHERE,IT'S BS. I am sure there are alotof rwdnecks there, rednecks are in every state.

I'll consider moving there once the state has a Yale Law School grad as Guv.

[quote] Being sodomized by inbred hill dwellers.

Pics please TIA.

DeSantis went to Yale and Harvard. And grew not far from the Florida Georgia Line.

[Quote]I have yet to see a Confederate flag being flown anywhere in all the years I've owned the place.

I have to call bullshit on this r48. Confederate flags are all over the South (and oddly even run into them in the rural Northern places) if you aren't seeing them you must be fucking blind.

The stars and bars aren't difficult to find. I used to see them in the REI parking lot of all places.

If you're coming from some sprawlburg outside of Fresno or Bakersfield or parts of the Inland Empire, it will be less different than you might expect. If you're from LA, SD, or much of the Bay Area. It will be very different and not in good ways even if you move to the ATL area. Atlantans love to eat out and shop---you'll find the restaurants mostly forgettable and despite the large immigrant populations, finding a decent taco or Thai food can be difficult. The shopping is mostly national chains and not their A-game. A friend once told me that buyer have no faith in Atlanta and its reflected in even the most utilitarian items like camera bags (not kidding). The cultural institutions are all stunted--their solution to having a nearly bankrupt orchestra was to build a new hall. The spent a fortune on new exhibit space for the art museum for traveling shows but didn't get around to also building the endowment to support them. ATL is a place full of plans that often don't materialize. The food in the super market is inferior to what you get in California. You'll find the gay, in particular, to be incurious and shallow. It's the kind of place that's full of 6s and 7s who think they're tend, looking for a 12. Yes, you may eventually find friends who aren't vapid, but you'll meet other people who seem utterly clueless. Atlanta gays are the people too intimidated to go to NYC, LA, SF, etc. As for the weather--people are proud of not having snow, but you'll get ice storms every couple years and the winters are gray, dreary and damp---like LA only more depressing and colder. The summers are hot, humid and no one ventures far from a/c. Spring is rainy but does bring beautiful flowers (unless you're allergic) and fall can be nice except for when you get the back end of a hurricane. Going anywhere interesting requires a plane ride or a very long drive. The cost of living is less, but not as much as you'd expect---real estate has skyrocketed and car insurance is very expensive. People will not talk to you openly about race, but they'll happily share their ideas about Jews, Catholics and immigrants. Have fun.

I lived in Atlanta 3 different times in the 90s and I never had anything but pleasant experiences. Of course that was 20+ years ago and I hear that the gay scene vastly different now. If you are into black men then you're moving to black dick central. Ive always been femme and very open and I couldnt tell you the number of times black guys hit on me (or the number of times I took them up on it!) . I found race to be a non issue,but that might be because I didnt live in very poor areas. The only time I didnt like being there was during Freaknik . Those crowds were way over the line behavior wise. I always had positive experiences there,so perhaps Im biased.

Freaknik is long gone.

[quote] I have to call bullshit on this [R48]

I do take that back. Last year some old codger drove his van onto an empty lot in the nearest town and hauled out a collection of about 50 flags on poles he was trying to sell. I did see he had a Confederate flag. I went to a shopping center across the street & when I came out the cops were there making him pack up and hit the road.

ATL is also super-boosterish and really defensive if you notice that most of it is bullshit.

Aww, you mad Atlanta got something your city wanted but didn't get? Oh well, keep the faith.

[quote]We're moving to Georgia from California My husband got a new job. What should we be expecting?

Softheaded babies that talk funny.

Don't listen to R65 she sounds pretty vapid herself with all those typos in her post.

[quote] Two of my top students from California got full ride scholarships to Emory a couple of years ago.

R54 A bit off topic, but I cannot condone the export of these two young tops away from California. What can be done to lure them back? Really feels like you should have consulted us here at DL before this happened. Hopefully they're pursuing STEM degrees, which would most likely lead them back to California after graduation due to our many technology career opportunities?

Our asking you why the hell you're doing that?

Atlanta is rather dull and soulless not to mention an ugly city. I just left in October to move back to Cali.

R75 Kept getting rejected and denied that good ole Dick.

R53 as opposed to your lawn and house and yard and town burning in wildfires

Just remember if needed you can still sell your old.car and catch that midnight train. The boys and I wishing you all the best.

[QUOTE] Atlanta is rather dull and soulless

Meh. We can't all live in LA dear.

[quote] not to mention an ugly city. I just left in October to move back to Cali.

Yes, living in a city built in the middle of an old growth forest with huge trees as far as the eyes can see is just so horrible. We Atlantans hope one day we'll be more like California and all these old ancient trees will be cut, or burned down so we can see the smog in the sky, and all the hillsides covered in brown dried out scrub brush just waiting to be set alight by either a lightning strike or one of the hordes of homeless crazies roaming the streets.

We keep hope alive.

[quote] people are proud of not having snow

No Toots we have snow. We're just glad (not proud) that we don't have it all winter long like some areas of the country. Almost every year we'll at least have a dusting. And then every so often we'll have a biggie. The only thing about snow we don't like is that we don't have the big ones often enough for the city to buy thousands of snow removal trucks. But we don't usually have much more than a couple days to wait for the weather to warm up and melt it down sufficiently so we can get back to business. Snow days are well loved in Atlanta, especially by the kids. Gives everyone a chance to pause their busy lives and go out and play in it.

OP, prepare for a daily assault on your ears. You are going to be awash in horrible cracker accents.

That's funny, I hear far more non-southern accents in Atlanta than southern ones (not that I don't like southern accents as they can be mega sexy). And even many of the southerners in Atlanta have accents that sound more middle America than southern.

And it's always fun to watch non-southerners move to Atlanta and decide it's where they want to stay, and then they start developing (what they think) is a southern accent. They're so cute. They try, they try. 😀

[quote] Kept getting rejected and denied that good ole Dick.

Got plenty, actually. And a great job transfer.

[quote] Meh. We can't all live in LA dear.

Who said I moved back to LA? San Diego, cupcake.

I lived in Atlanta for 5 years and noticed very, very few Atlanta natives.

Someone born in an Atlanta hospital and raised within the city limits is as scarce as hen's teeth.

Lived in Atlanta for years. Also Emory grad.

Would agree with R65, OP.

It is not a bad place, but after living abroad (Sydney, Stockholm. Auckland, Wuppertal, Edinburgh) and now in LA, I find it regressive to return to Georgia.

There are positives, as in any place; but if you are coming from a larger city with more breadth (SF/LA), rather than somewhere like Bakersfield or Riverside; the move from CA to GA may take a bit of a recalibration.

Just a thought.

You'll find delightfully sassy older women with great fashion sense. Please be sure to visit me at the Leisure Land retirement home, especially if you're a black buck. I live my black man, black man, where did you come from?

[quote] Someone born in an Atlanta hospital and raised within the city limits is as scarce as hen's teeth.

I was born in the old St. Joseph's Hospital in downtown Atlanta (it sat where the Marriott Marquis now sits) 68+ years ago and have lived in Morningside and Midtown my entire life. And yes, I'm one of a vanishing breed. In my 45 years living at the same address in midtown the vast majority of my neighbors have been from outside the south.

WHY, OP?! I am plotting to commit major felonies to gtfo of here!

Most queens set great store in being able to brag that they live in either L.A. or NYC. They see it as some sort of status symbol that impresses others. I don't quite know why since most people who know much about either city do not regard them as places anyone who wants an easy way of life should aspire to live in. And most people who move to either of those cities end up leaving at some point after they mature and realize the standard of living they desperately want proves to be unobtainable.

OP Look at the election map, and see which parts are Blue. That's where you want to be. You want the counties where Joe won. Honestly the worst thing about the Metro Atlanta Area is the fucking traffic. Period.

I have been in ATL for 5 years and I love it. Lots of transplants in GA. I love the energy.

You were raised right R93.

I live in Georgia and unless you have a lot of money, you are going to be living in a very crime ridden state. We have gang violence, shootings everyday, home invasions, etc. Georgia is a republican state. The most corrupt state in the US according to TRUMP, who really should know. I hope you like the feel of the furnace of hell, because the 90+temps along with 70 -90 percent humidity are unbearable. Neglected, dirty places that resemble haunted ghost towns. Georgia should be shut down and the dems relocated to a blue state. No sarcasm, this place truly is miserable to live in. Atlanta is a violent, crime ridden city that we avoid at all times. The traffic and fucked up highways are a nightmare. Google maps will not help you. Google Spaghetti Junction.

R95, you tell a very different story than all the Georgians I know

R95, maybe you just need a good therapist?

I did my undergrad in Athens, love that town!

really rural areas and those places bordering them, like in the Northern Georgia hill country, are pockets of shit. North Georgia, rural Georgia, can be problematic. The main thing to understand is Faith plays a huge role in people's lives. Lots of church folk on both ends of the political spectrum. So, most of the time, you will encounter politeness even from hateful people. Just don't make assumptions about people, and don't talk politics with people you don't know well. I live in Buckhead, and some reactionary Trumpers have decided to ty to divide us from the City of Atlanta. It is bullshit. Ignore it. You can move to Alpharetta which is essentially suburban, but there are Trumpers there along with liberals. It's a mixed bag. Marietta is nice, so is Smyrna. But IMO the best city is neighboring Decatur.

R65 pretty much nails it. If you're moving to Atlanta, it's not as interesting as people make it out to be. Just overall mediocrity. The people who seem to love it are from the sticks and don't know any better. Athens is sort of charming, but for a weekend. The people are fake nice. Couldn't wait to get out.

Huge cocks

R85 San Diego! There's no there there!

Lots of people born at Grady. Even Democrats were violently antigay until about 2010 (see Zell "The Traitor" MIller and his ilk: pure unadulterated violent trash).

I love Macon. it's a funky little city with good food. Mercer College, gorgeous old homes and a decent downtown. Like everywhere else, it has it's crappy areas to avoid

Mercer University.

R102, Grady Memorial is a trauma center. And a shithole. If you get in a bad car accident or you get shot, the EMS takes you to Grady. If you are just a sick person, Piedmont, Emory or Northside are you hospital systems. Never Grady. Every city has a Grady and no one ever "wants" to go there.

How about Newnan? Looks nice

Are there any closeted rednecks or good ole boys there?

R107 yes and they are good to go. The Heretic bar/club in Atlanta is recommended. A big dance floor and 'playroom'.

Any mixed clubs or bars?

Moved there in 2002 (for a change of scenery after 9/11). It was definitely A LOT cheaper, cleaner than NYC and the people were nicer, but I was homesick after a month and moved back to NYC. Gay Pride in Atlanta was just sad :( But the parties were fun! They were giving out flyers - inviting cute guys to their house parties. I was surprised they would invite strangers at a parade to their homes! I met a wealthy biracial man (looked like a young Brian Stokes Mitchell) who wanted to keep me within 2 weeks! I was staying at a hotel in downtown Atlanta. He offered to let move in with him after we spent the night together. Beautiful home near Piedmont Park, but he was a stranger, I didn't really click with him like that and did not want to be dependent on him. So, I turned him down. We lost contact after I left... The Atlanta vibe is very different - slow, boring, muggy, bugs, but warm, pretty, friendly - and you NEED a car! I just missed the vibe, energy, excitement and many things to do in NYC.

Never Grady.

That is in no way accurate. True, Grady (or The Gradies as it's colloquially known since it's more than one hospital), is traditionally a hospital for the poor or those in need of immediate trauma care. But if you are in a bad car accident or some other sort of tragedy and are in danger of dying there is no better place to go first than Grady. Since it's funded by the Federal Government they have every piece of the most up to date equipment available. If any hospital can keep you from dying, it's Grady.

Remember that famous model who was in the awful car accident on Ponce de Leon many years back. They took her to Grady and she stayed there for a good while. After she recovered all she could talk about was that she had Grady Hospital to thank for keeping her from dying.

Anyone who can't find plenty to do in Atlanta is either too lazy to breathe, has no friends, or is just pathetic.

Any mixed clubs or bars?

Gay & straight? Most every gay bar will have straight & gay friendly people there. There are plenty of straights in Atlanta who like to see how their betters enjoy ourselves.

[quote] Are there any closeted rednecks or good ole boys there?

Plenty! And they are delicious.

You can pick up some extra bucks turning in abortionists and women seeking them.

Atlanta is dullsville compared to NY and LA. Anyone who claims otherwise is delusional.

How about Newnan? Looks nice

Newnan is a quite nice town. There are lots of smaller cities & towns outside of metro Atlanta that are great places.

Rome

Cartersville

Statesboro

Brunswick

Valdosta

Waycross

LaGrange

Carrolton

Peachtree City

Warner Robins (lots of Air Force meat!)

Dalton

And plenty more.

[quote] Atlanta is dullsville

Only to dullards hon. Only to dullards.

Sure r116. But NY and LA are much bigger cities so of course they have more going on. At least Atlanta is cheaper so your money would go further.

even better r104

R117 You left savannah ga off your list, why?

R116 do women seeking abortions broadcast that fact?

Sorry R116 R115 Do women seeking abortions broadcast that fact anywhere?

[quote] You left savannah ga off your list, why?

Savannah is not a small town. The metro population is over 400,000 people.

R95 is so fabulist!

OP More bang for your buck

Where in Georgia? There are spots that actually exist in the 21st century.

R111 is a fearful liar

Anyone ever been to Dahlonega, in NE Georgia? It seems like a nice place to visit.

Not much cheaper these days R119.

[quote]. Atlantans love to eat out and shop---you'll find the restaurants mostly forgettable and despite the large immigrant populations, finding a decent taco or Thai food can be difficult.

This is complete and utter bullshit. I have to really wonder if you're on crack.

For good Tacos & Thai food, just go to Buford Highway. The community consists of Mexicans and Asians. Within a 5 mile span, there are about 30 Mexican restaurants and 40 Asian restaurants, including 18 Thai restaurants.

I used to love La Cazuela in Alpharetta, but I think it's gone now.

He's half right, R131, the restaurants are mostly forgettable.

Oh, you've eaten at all of them R133? Try harder next time dimwit.

Newnan? It's an exurb of Atlanta not a real town.

Grady is a safety net hospital. Every medium to large city has one. And yes it's good for motor vehicle accidents (which are very common in ATL, people are terrible drivers) and gunshot wounds.

People are obsessed with crime, yet in my gentrifying neighborhood, the worst thing that happened was someone stole my garden hose and the reel it was on. I only missed the reel--the hose kinked so much I was planning to replace it. But the house came with motion detector lights that I eventually stopped using and an alarm system I only switched on when I travelled (I used to be gone for a month at a time). The crime obsession is really about race and you'll find a lot of code for race and oddities like no outdoor swimming pools in many places----they were filled-in back in the 60s and 70s so they wouldn't have to integrate.

That's nonsense. I have always loved the fact that there are so many independent, not franchise restaurants with interesting approaches to food. I don't eat Mexican food, but the Thai food is great and so is the Indian food, the Caribbean places , etc. We have local chain restaurants that are good too. Look. If you're looking for a NY experience, or Chicago, or L.A. don't come here. OK? Georgia is the South. One of the original 13 colonies. It has always had a basically agrarian culture, because it's economy, for centuries, has been agriculture based. Now thanks to the universities, we are fourth in the nation in Tech and IT, and we have a diverse, thriving economy. Georgia turned that corner in the early 70's. Our population is more diverse, and international, and the fucking humidity is something we put up with for a few weeks in July and August. So all y'all trashin' Georgia, or Metro Atlanta, can just pass right by and go on about your business. We're fine.

If you’re in the Atlanta area, Savannah, Columbus, Macon, or Augusta you’ll be fine.

Anywhere else is backwards.

The Buford corridor (use to work nearby) is surprisingly bad for restaurants---the ones that cater to white people are generally terrible. The Thai restaurants in ATL all have the same menu and load on the basil (more of a Vietnamese thing) but avoid the garlic (which is in practically everything in Thailand).

[quote] .....fucking humidity is something we put up with for a [bold]few weeks[/bold] in July and August.

I wish, R136! I spent months of the year sweltering.....literally with sweat pouring down my legs, arms, torso and head as my parents rationed the ac (due to expense of electricity bills). Even now we joke of the “humidity season” while living in Atlanta.

(Fortunately, we live somewhere more temperate now.)

I had basil chicken last night from Rain (Thai) and it was delicious. They make great sushi too. It's less than a mile from my townhouse. Georgia has a health economy. When you first move, take you time. Wait a year or two before deciding if you want to buy and where you want to live.

[quote] Anywhere else is backwards.

You clearly know NOTHING about the state of Georgia. Or you're just the usual blathering idiot.

[quote]How about Newnan? Looks nice

Are you kidding?

Hillbillies, OP.

Georgia does not have a healthy economy. Take away the construction trades and it is remarkably hollow. How quickly it can all go to shit reminds one of the cell phone meltown of 2001-2003, when the traffic jams mysteriously disappeared after 70,000 workers lost their jobs.

I would move there just for Hattie B’s.

Anybody been to Future? It’s a new bar in the ATL?

R112 the people bored with Atlanta are people who have lived there awhile and have done all the stuff you’re thinking. It was get static when you’ve lived there a while. There aren’t a lot of new and dynamic things happening there. But there are worse places to live.

Atlanta is a good place to either get started in your career or to end it, and retire there. But for those that are hungry for a taste of the world, you need to venture out in between.

OP needs to read The House Next Door by Anne Rivers Siddons. It gives a good portrayal of Georgia life.

Atlanta used to have some of the best restaurants and great service but many of them are gone now or being ran by a different generation. I would hardly call it a culinary hot spot in its current form.

Maybe I have different taste than the people who don’t think ATL has a hood culinary scene

Hattie B's is HIGHLY overrated . Charming to look at,the food was mediocre.

Atlanta has long had mediocre restaurants, at best, with rarely very good service.

Oh stop! Every city has mediocre restaurants and god knows I have been in my share in NYC.

R139 thank God nowadays there's a more cost effective, efficient and quieter way to keep cool: central air conditioning

My dad lived in Atlanta for a time years ago and I really enjoyed visiting him there. Great city.

Georgia is where you live if you want a nice down home southern quiet slow life. I'm born and raised here, and don't plan on leaving ever. I don't like loud crazy cities to live in. To gave fun in yes, but not to live in.

This coming from someone whose young and in my early 30s. Love traveling, but Georgia is definitely home for life for me.

R155 & R156, you're two more who were raised right.

[quote]thank God nowadays there's a more cost effective, efficient and quieter way to keep cool: central air conditioning

Sounds great being locked up in your house 24 hours a day.

If you loved lock down, you'll love Georgia

R158 Cars, restaurants, bars, theaters, offices all have central air. Why so negative?

Personally I love a blisteringly hot day. I go out, get some sun on my face to keep my vitamin D up and when I feel I'm getting too hot I simply go back inside in the AC. And besides those blisteringly hot days only last from July to August and there are plenty of days in those months when the storms come through. And I'm a big storm buff. I love watching those summer thumpers roll in and cool everything down, sometimes for days.

I'll take blisteringly hot Atlanta summers over months of frigid sub-zero northern winters any day. And don't act like you people up there don't stay inside as much as possible with the heat cranked up during those hideously cold months. I've spent enough time up north to know that most do.

The high today in NYC is predicted to be 37° with snow. The high in Los Angeles is predicted to be 54° with rain. The high today in Atlanta is predicted to be 72°. THE HEAT! THE HUMIDITY!!

Atlanta will hold a moment of silence for you poor LA & NYC wretches today. Keep warm bubbalas.

When I lived in the North, (Minnesota) I stayed indoors from December until April. Seriously. Did not leave my house except to provision. We had no Instacart back then. Last time I experienced the sub zero temps was 4 years ago for Christmas. I will never do it again. Georgia has a bad allergy season in March/April, and the hot summer from mid July though August. About 6 weeks. But the weather here is not bad at all, and being able to go for a walk in 73 degree weather yesterday, under blue skies and sunshine was a great Christmas gift.

Atlanta has a nice climate. People love the weather there

Yeah from November to April.

I spent time in Atlanta and it was stifling hot in the summer. People weren't that friendly but not horrible, either. Southerners , I was told, are leaving the metro area move to preserve "their way of life". They were sick of all the "Yankee" transplants. Atlanta seemed inscrutable to me, as I was raised in New England, my impression was that it's pretty much a suburban hodgepodge of neighborhoods with a downtown. I prefer North Carolina, I never liked the feel of Georgia, but then again I didn't see much of it. I saw a great deal of NC when I lived there, and it's a truly beautiful state, from the ocean to the mountains and the lovely little pottery area around Seagrove.

[quote] Southerners , I was told, are leaving the metro area move to preserve "their way of life".

Dear God where do you people come up with these outlandish lies.

R165, eastern inland NC is not pretty. Fayetteville, Kinston, Rocky Mount, Lumberton, and Goldsboro Are flat, depressed areas

Nope, I'm not lying R166, that's EXACTLY what a woman told me. Many Southerners are bitter about Northerners coming in and "taking over" as they see it, or saying things like, "but that's how we did it up North".

R11 is correct. Good luck.

R168, you might want to check objective sources for evidence of what you assert, like the US Census Bureau. There has been no exodus out of Metro Atlanta

They're not "Northerners," sir, they're DAMN YANKEES!

If you're low cast, you say "Goddamn Yankees!" and then spit.

Southerners immediately turn on you once they find out you're from the north. The fake nice becomes not nice at all.

[quote] that's EXACTLY what a woman told me

Oh, so some woman said this outlandish thing and that makes it true. The bitch probably knew one family who moved out of Atlanta, probably because they were tired of city life, and suddenly hordes of southerners are leaving Atlanta because of all the 'yankees' and to maintain their "way of life".

[quote] Southerners immediately turn on you once they find out you're from the north. The fake nice becomes not nice at all.

LOL, no hon, southerners will turn on you if you show yourself to be a piece of garbage or some scumbag. Which one are you? And that's whether you're from the north, south, east, or west.

You mean the lovely southerners who told me about "dirty Mexicans" and hauled off and slapped their kid in front of me? Oh yes, such peachy people! But hey, Jesus loves you.

Before you board your flight open a vein.

[quote] You mean the lovely southerners who told me about "dirty Mexicans"

You should talk to the average Los Angelino, or frankly most Californians, about Mexicans. They'll make your ears start ringing pal.

And of course no parent outside the south has ever hauled off and slapped their child. Nooooooo.

You seem rather thick.

Expect a long drive.

The stupidity and the ignoance displayed on this thead is appalling. Most of you who ae making these ignoant statements and absud ponouncements have not been to Atlanta in the past 10-15 years. Or even the past 25 years. The cliche's and the tropes you rely on are completely foreign to those of us who live in Georgia. Will you find racists here? Yes. Militias? Yes. Deepest red state Republicans? Yes. lunatics like MTG? There are still pockets of lunacy, yes. But you have the exact same thing in Michigan, and in New Yok, and Ohio and PA.

But here's the thing. Georgia has a booming economy with a lot of economic development. We have Google and Amazon and tons of other companies, and every week there is some new announcement like the recent Rivian announcement that they will be setting up a $5-7 Billion electric car manufacturing plant here, producing an estimated 7,500 jobs

This is important because economic development and educational opportunities attracts an international mix of job seekers with lots of credentials. And that is what has been changing Georgia. The stereotypes some of you cling to are no longer the rule here. They haven't been for quite some time.

Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Kansas, the Dakotas , West Virginia, are backward assed states. But keep an eye on the Carolinas because their economies are going to force change on them too.

Maybe stay out of the woods if you hear dueling banjos !

[quote] The stupidity and the ignoance displayed on this thead is appalling.

Oh, the irony.

Alabama has a ton of foreign investment. It hasn't changed the people for the better at all.

Atlanta has frequent power outages and a water infrastructure problem.

^add drought, wildfires, earthquakes, high taxes, mudslides, pollution, oil spills and wildfires and you've got CA

It has a very heavy negro smell. It even manages to reach the main house from time to time- if the winds are blowing east from the slave quarters.

[quote] Most of you who ae making these [bold] ignoant statements and absud ponouncements [/bold] have not been to Atlanta in the past 10-15 years.

Is your post a parody post of Atlanta/Georgia, R180? You are solidifying what many posters have stated about the backwater that is the very state/city you are mentioning.

And yes. Some of us have lived in the area “in the past 10-15 years”; but have equally lived elsewhere so as to have reference points to compare and contrast the place you laud.

Georgia the country or Georgia the state?

I well remember back during the 96 Olympics the foreign press were writing nasty things about Atlanta. Turned out they had been ordered to do so by the people they worked for because so many countries were mad Atlanta got the 100th anniversary games. But the funny thing was, after all the foreign journalists got to Atlanta they started desperately begging local news agencies for jobs. They were all pretty much told to go piss up a rope.

But who cares what these malcontents around here think of Atlanta. For every one of them there are thousands who come to Atlanta and wouldn't consider living anywhere else. There is no city on the planet that can give to everyone everything they want. If Atlanta can't give you enough of what you want for you to be happy then by all means go somewhere else. Trust me, it's a win-win for you & Atlanta.

OP Bitter Californians badmouthing Georgia apparently

R185, you forgot homelessness.

Los Angeles & NYC queens, more than anywhere else, are terrified at the thought their cities are losing prestige. And trust me, both of those cities are losing both prestige and population every day. People have simple had enough and the benefits of living in there is rapidly getting to the point of being outweighed by all the negatives.

One thing I've always found very interesting about LA & NYC is that you rarely find someone born and raised in either city who have anything good to say about them. They dream of getting out one day. The newcomers are starry eyed about living in one of the 2 biggest cities in the nation, but if they stay long enough most of them eventually get to the point they can't take it anymore.

When I contempwate R180's dudgeon I cannot settle on a voice. Either I hear Elmer Fudd, with notes of Bernadette Peters and a heavy lashing of Lucy Worsley.

[Quote]but if they stay long enough most of them eventually get to the point they can't take it anymore.

And r192? Yes a lot of people don't necessarily want to grow old in NY, but that doesn't mean that they didn't love living in NY when they were younger.

Also after all the doom and gloom about NY, estimates of it losing population were wrong and the census showed it gained a lot of people.

R192 I was born and raised in LA, and did my education/training at UCLA. I then moved to NYC.

There is so much I like about LA, especially the neighborhoods where I grew up (Los Feliz and Pasadena). But there is much to dislike as well.

I wish I could return to LA of my teen years - when you could wait for the end of rush hour at 10 AM and then speed to the beach, returning before 3 PM. There was less trash too. Yes, there were probably 4 million less people in LA County at that time as well.

From 2020 to 2921, New York’s state population loss was 319,000, 22% more than the California loss. New York’s population decline was minus 1.58%, compared to minus 0.66% in California. The difference is attributable to the fact that the state of California has about twice the population of New York.

New York’s domestic migration loss was nearly equal to that of California, at minus 334,000. This is a loss of minus 1.75%, about double that of California’s 0.89%. It is an increase in net domestic migration from New York’s 2010-2020 annual average of minus 155,000.

2020 to 2021

Well, there was a bribery scandal R189. The IOC is a right-wing organization and Athens and Toronto were not right-wing enough for them.

[quote] OP Bitter Californians badmouthing Georgia apparently

We never think of Georgia. A few posters on this thread seem preoccupied with California, however. It's okay, though -- we're used to people thinking they have some great [one-sided] rivalry with us for whatever reason.

At heart, gays are just sassy black females in white male bodies. So these two should fit in well in Atlanta.

Net Domestic Migration by State July 1, 2020 to July 1, 2021:

Florida +220,890 Texas +170,307 Arizona +93,026

California -367,299 New York -352,185 Illinois -122,460

Why would anyone leave California? It is a paradise.

My thoughts exactly.

[quote] We never think of Georgia

No, everyday Californians never think of Georgia or most any other state. It's only a small cadre of silly people on this board who like to run their mouths about any place other than where they live. It gives them a chance to say things to someone they'd never say to their face to face.

The CaliExodus continues

How is Stockton? Is that up and coming?

How about Chico? Why don’t Californians talk about Chico?

Stockton's not as nice as San Francisco but it is affordable and a reasonable commute into the Bay Area.

There was a young guy in Stockton CA who flew his plane straight into his wife's grave back in 1949. There's a video I came across of it on YouTube the other night.

It was his high school sweet heart. They got married and had a child/children and she died and he couldn't cope with her death so he ended up flying his plane straight into her grave because he missed her so much. His parents, who I believe we're rich ended up raising the kids. His parents died in the late 60s. It was a sad video.

Here's the video.

Wouldn’t flying into a grave constitute disrespect toward the deceased?

Chico is a nice college town, with a cute historical downtown. My aunt was a prof at Cal State Chico.

Below is what $225,000 gets you in Chico - 400 sq ft.

R211 I guess he was so despondent he just wanted to be with his wife. He couldn't handle the loss.

I'm not from California by the way, I'm from Georgia. Just happened to come across that video the other night on YouTube and since someone mentioned Stockton, thought I'd bring up that story and post the video. Just thought it was something interesting others might like to know about.

If you come across unfriendly people in Georgia. 9 times out of 10 they're probably not native born Georgians. There's been a lot of people moving here from up north and stereotypically, northerners are not the most pleasant people to deal with all the time. They can bring that northern sensibility of being an asshole with them down to the south, we definitely have our own deplorable assholes down here too. But there's still a common responsibility most people give each other in general.

Just remember, that everyone living in the south is native to the south whenever you encounter assholes in the south.

Yep, even mean southerners recognize a certain level of public decorum and pleasantries. I was shocked at how openly blunt, rude, and vulgar the Northeast is.

I meant everyone isn't native to the south.

What's the deplorable section of town so I can stay away from it.

Why? Do you think bands of republicans are going to recognize you as a queer liberal and surround you if you venture into their part of town? If you're really the OP R218 I'm sad for you that you'd be that ignorant. What are the deplorable parts of the city in California where you live now? Are you terrified to go there? I understand there are lots of republicans in Beverly Hills. Are you terrified to drive down Santa Monica Blvd.? Afraid a sniper is going to pick you off from a window as you drive by?

Just so you know, people in Atlanta live wherever they choose and can afford. No one, I repeat NO ONE pays any attention to the political makeup of any area. Everyone pretty much gets along just as they do in cities in California, until someone decides to make a public spectacle of themselves. We believe that one's political and religious beliefs are private and should be kept that way.

Haha. The person stating that Atlanta is only hot and humid for a “few weeks in July and August”.

I want some of what they are smoking. My Mother and I were laughing at that comment. We recall the humidity/heat beginning in April (or at the latest May) and continuing through the Autumn. Just look up the high temp averages for those months. They are in the 80s+. Add 80% humidity and voila. The humid furnace blast hits you every time you open the door. Sure you can jog outside in the Spring. But be prepared to become dehydrated and drenched with sweat. It’s a subTROPICAL climate. (And yet the winters can be cool, grey and rainy). As another poster said, unless you have allergies, early spring is most beautiful/temperate in Atlanta.

[quote] My Mother and I were laughing at that comment.

You read Datalounge with your mom? WTF?!

^ Nope. Told her about it. The comment was so far removed from our experience.

As part of my father’s employment, we moved 15X growing up. Lived in many places. And the one thing we all associate with Atlanta is the persistent, horrid humidity. [The humidity was even a clue for Atlanta in a recent game of charades. Hahahaha....]

Like I said, if someone only experiences humidity in Atlanta only “for a few weeks in July and August”, they are living in a very different Atlanta than we all experienced.....

I've lived in Atlanta for over 68 years. Yes, it's humid from April sometimes into early October. The worst months are June - August. I've also seen it snow in Atlanta on Halloween, I've seen it go down to -5° on Christmas Eve, and I've seen it get up to 105° for several days once back in the 80s, in August. Just like everywhere else Atlanta has a wide range of weather. If you can't handle humidity, then don't move anywhere east of the New Mexico/Texas border.

I'm as accustomed to humidity as people in Minnesota are accustomed to 4' of snow on the ground and below zero temperatures for weeks on end. We all learn to deal with it and don't whine like pussies. The plusses of living in Atlanta far outweigh the negatives. I had the chance to live almost anywhere I wanted in the US (and a few foreign countries) during my working life. I traveled all over the world for work. I never found anywhere I thought could give me a better life than I've had in Atlanta. But that doesn't mean it's for everyone. If it's not, by all means live somewhere else. With 6 million plus and growing in the greater Atlanta area I think we'll get by.

Agreed, R223, no city is perfect.

That said, as a former Atlantan myself, I find the defensiveness of all those who espouse the place interesting.

Every city has perks and challenges: that’s a given. To claim that Atlanta is some “supercity” that everyone loves is mystifying. And I say this as someone who lived inside the perimeter (Decatur/Dunwoody) for years.

Atlanta is many things, but it is not a world-class-level city. The climate may be attractive for those who experience extremes, but it can be extreme, itself.

With the polarization of politics, I have Atlanta friends and colleagues who complain about the lack of safety they feel in the place.....in regards to Covid, despite it being the location of the CDC.

All and all, enjoy Atlanta, just as I enjoy being thankful I am no longer there.

[quote] That said, as a former Atlantan myself, I find the defensiveness of all those who espouse the place interesting.

How do you find the defensiveness espoused by people in LA and other cities? People in LA have been saying LA and California is the greatest place on the planet for years here. That's okay, but Atlantans defending their city is not? If you love it, defending the city you call home from lies and exaggerations is a perfectly normal thing to do. Anyone who loves their city and sits back and lets others run it into the ground are pathetic.

[quote] How do you find the defensiveness espoused by people in LA and other cities? People in LA have been saying LA and California is the greatest place on the planet for years here. That's okay, but Atlantans defending their city is not? If you love it, defending the city you call home from lies and exaggerations is a perfectly normal thing to do. [bold] Anyone who loves their city and sits back and lets others run it into the ground are pathetic.[/bold]

Calm down, R225. This is not worth getting all worked up over.

The post was addressing the exaggerated statements that “[bold]everybody [/bold]who moved to Atlanta loves it”. Or the humidity is for “only a few weeks in July or August”.

Seems the exaggerations are promulgated by those in bizarre defensiveness for Atlanta: such as yourself.

As for someone who has lived in both Atlanta AND LA, I note again that neither city is perfect. Both face problems and challenges.....some of which are more overt than others: homelessness, poverty, crime, climate change, soaring costs, etc.

Although I thought I would never say this, of the two cities, I prefer Los Angeles: a major city, temperate weather, coastal availability and general zeitgeist (LA/California has taken Covid more seriously than the city home of the CDC. And this is coming from CDC colleagues).

But that’s just my preference.....or OPINION. I KNOW LA is not some perfect place, by any stretch of the imagination.

And despite what you or others say (in defensive mode) Atlanta is NOT either.

Whenever I think of LA, I always think of Colin Ferrell almost breaking down on Jimmy Kimmel talking about the poverty and homelessness right outside of the studio Kimmels show is filmed in.

That's what I think of Whenever I think of LA.

[quote] Whenever I think of LA, I always think of Colin Ferrell almost breaking down on Jimmy Kimmel talking about the poverty and homelessness right outside of the studio Kimmels show is filmed in.

[quote] That's what I think of Whenever I think of LA.

It’s heartbreaking. There’s no question. And it’s heightened by the contrast of the homeless population juxtaposed next to the celebrity lives of those like Jimmy Kimmel and Colin Farrell.

Those from other countries - or those who have lived abroad - find it horrifying.

I worked down on Skid Row for some time. And was amazed at the homeless transplants. Many were given bus tickets or passage to a place where they could live outside year round. Hard to do that in Minnesota or Iowa.

One of my colleagues who worked with me stated that Hawaii would have the same problem with homelessness as California if it were part of the contiguous lower 48.

As the last several years have clearly demonstrated, the end-stage capitalism (and lack of compassion for those less fortunate) is hugely problematic for the Good ‘Ole USA.

[quote] ^I'm close to Atlanta and NOBODY much is wearing masks in the grocery store, in restaurants of course, and the liquor store. Bars are open and full of people. Everybody is acting completely clueless about the fact that Omicron is supposed to be swirling everywhere around them. Educated, fully vax'd folks having big dinner parties in their houses...We'll see how it all goes.

Poster 595 from the Omicron Covid Thread

The CDC and Delta are based in Atlanta.

R230 The American media is sorry as fuck! They've been complicit in all of the shit that's been going on in thus country the last few years under you know who.

[QUOTE] We believe that one's political and religious beliefs are private and should be kept that way.

Well I'm sorry I just can't abide by that. I believe Drumpf committed a crime and I will shout it to the rooftops, wherever I am.

[quote] Calm down, [R225]. This is not worth getting all worked up over.

I know you think that silly comment makes you look like the reasonable one. Trust me, it doesn't. Your opinion about Atlanta is inconsequential. But there are those of us who will always be there to throw it back in your face.

DAYUMMMMM. R233 is triggered.

I think this thread showcases how nasty Southerners actually are behind their fake nice facade

That old canard of r235's is so tiresome.

Bless your heart R236

How does Atlanta stack up against Dallas though?

I want to know how Atlanta compares to Wilton Manors. Both cities are in the south.

Dallas is a flat ugly place with not one geographically interesting thing about it. Atlanta is hilly and lush and close to the Blue Ridge mountains.

R232 Have you ever thought of charging Trump rent for all the time he spends living in your head rent free?

I have R225/R233 blocked. He must be the loon that defends Atlanta like it was Fort Knox in any other Atlanta thread on DL. Sorry, bud, your city is not as interesting as you think it is.

Oh you must be the one I love to tell to take a Midol and shut up.

[quote] I know you think that silly comment makes you look like the reasonable one. Trust me, it doesn't. Your opinion about Atlanta is inconsequential.

I think that your posts speak for themselves, R233 / R225. By your own logic, [bold] your own opinion is “inconsequential”. [/bold]

Your need to denigrate others in service of a mid-size city that you happen to like reflects much on the type of place you find so necessary to elevate.

As other posters have noted, the saccharine-Southern-superficiality does not play well with some, and is a major deterrent to folks like yourself in Atlanta. You and the accusatory poster claiming everyone who doesn’t sing the praises of Atlanta and Georgia are full of “[bold] ignoant statements and absud ponouncements [/bold]” are what keep your city and state in its Regressive State.

Hypocrisy much?

Like I said, enjoy Atlanta. And Georgia.

There’s a whole wide world out there for the rest of us, thankfully.

Well then hit the road Toots.

The men in Tbilisi are so sexy and hairy!

A typical Georgian athlete.

Typical Georgian athlete.

How is Augusta?

Augusta is a nice little college town. I've only been there once.

Augusta has some beautiful areas, and is great for medical care. There are several very big hospitals there and more doctors than you can count. The only problem I have with Augusta is the area on the SW side of the city. Drive in on Peach Orchard Rd. or Deans Bridge Rd. and you pass through some of the seediest areas you'll ever see. The downtown area is nice and well maintained. Broad St., the main drag through downtown has a definite all-American look and feel. And the natives are fiercely loyal to their town. To them there is no better place on earth than Augusta.

Where is OP?

Yeah, did he ever say where in Georgia he was moving and where in Cali he was moving from?

[quote] Augusta has some beautiful areas, and is great for medical care. There are several very big hospitals there and more doctors than you can count. The only problem I have with Augusta is the area on the SW side of the city. Drive in on Peach Orchard Rd. or Deans Bridge Rd. and you pass through some of the seediest areas you'll ever see.

Georgia’s med school was in Augusta. Hence, all the doctors.

Those of us in Atl used to call it Disgusta due to the seedy areas R251 mentioned and retrogressive attitudes.

If I had to live in Augusta I would go over the bridge to N. Augusta, SC.. Small pretty town but close to all the amenities Augusta provides.

I've lived in the SF East Bay (Berkeley/Oakland) for 10 years, L.A. for 28 years. I've been working in Atlanta for the past 3 years for 1- 3 months stretches at a time. I love to stay in Cabbagetown- it's an artsy liberal enclave that is gentrifying at an astonishing speed (the 1ba/1br AirBnB that I rent out has doubled in value in the last 6 years) close to the beltline, Krog St. Market, Inman Park, Ponce City Market, Whole Food/Trader Joe's and Piedmont Park. The restaurants are solid- there's a huge difference in Japanese food from 2015 (1 or 2 sushi joints), all the Howell Mill restaurants, the Basque restaurants and Gunshow for something interesting.

I adore visiting, but I'm glad I don't live there- I cannot take the heat, humidity, and mosquitoes. Unfortunately my line of work will require working outdoors a lot, and I remember just standing there, sweat dripping down, thinking that my brain was cooking and I was going to faint, no matter how much I hydrated. It's easier for me to warm up than to cool down. I have never witnessed pavement steaming after a rainfall, or glasses steaming up exiting a building. I also was there during their coldest winter in 103 years (I think it was 2015?), which didn't bother me as much. I had some friends who got stuck in that calamitous icy highway collision and didn't get home after 17 hours- apparently the state had 3 snow trucks and no salt at the time.

I do appreciate the Southern politeness and manners here (as well as in Wilmington, North Carolina), when I get back home to L.A., I'll greet people or hold doors like I do in the South, only to have them ignore or look askance.

Also there is no ocean or giant lake nearby. Otherwise, I would consider moving, but in my weird mind, it would mean that I couldn't make it here in L.A. in my profession- I have many people in my industry who couldn't make it here make a decent living there. Plus, I make more money working as a non-local.

I need to go to ATL And try Hattie B’s!

It's not all that, r257. I prefer the Flying Biscuit in Midtown. Bonus: Gayborhood.

[quote] Also there is no ocean or giant lake nearby.

It may not be as large as one of the Great Lakes, but Lake Lanier is big enough to provide lots of water fun. The lake is 38,000 acres/59 square miles and almost 700 miles of shoreline.

[quote] Krog St. Market, Inman Park, Ponce City Market, Whole Food/Trader Joe's and Piedmont Park. The restaurants are solid- there's a huge difference in Japanese food from 2015 (1 or 2 sushi joints), all the Howell Mill restaurants, the Basque restaurants and Gunshow for something interesting.

That was also one of my favourite areas in Atlanta, R256. I used to drive to Grady and go through Inman Park, which I loved. Before Cabbagetown became a thing, I knew it would boom at some point.

Being into nature and the outdoors, I second your point about the climate. It is prohibitive for long periods of time: the insect pests and humidity wear on one after years of attempting to spend ample time outdoors.

Sounds as though you are in the entertainment industry? Easier to make it in Atlanta than LA. Also sounds as if you have a nice set-up; the ability to enjoy the nicer parts of Atlanta w/o the sprawl or traffic and then return to LA.

Speaking of sprawl, LA certainly has this, although traffic seems better since Covid. One thing LA surprised me with was the nature - and the ability to spend the majority of time outdoors all year long. Mountains, valleys and coast with a sea that holds some of the largest numbers of cetaceans in the world. Who would of thought....outside of populous LA?

r 259, thanks good to know.

R260, right on the nose about my industry. It was easier to make it in ATL, because of the lack of skilled crew, I recently worked in MA for the late fall and had to get people from ATL and NY because of the lack of available people in MA. Hopefully I'll be back in March for a few months, then on to Spain!

I will say that it takes people 3 years to not hating living in L.A., once they discover that there are mountains, deserts, snow and sea that can be reached in a 1-6 hour drive

[quote] I will say that it takes people 3 years to not hating living in L.A., once they discover that there are mountains, deserts, snow and sea that can be reached in a 1-6 hour drive.

So true and insightful, R261. I deeply resented having to move to LA (from NYC). But gradually began to appreciate the place.

I compared living in Los Angeles to being forced into an arranged marriage where I saw all the flaws of the place immediately and wanted to back out. Yet, that marriage has become one of great love and appreciation over time. I still see the challenges, but don’t know there is any other place I’d live now in the USA. Despite all it’s shortcomings, California is truly an amazing state.

[It reminds me of New Zealand with it’s diverse topography and microclimates.]

Just a reminder, we sell bug repellant sprays in the south just like they do everywhere else. In the summer months I never go outside without spraying a little on my face and arms. Presto changeo, never bothered by bugs.

R258, Does the Flying Biscuit have peach cobbler and Nashville chicken?

[quote] Most insect repellents on the market are loaded with toxic chemicals, including DEET, which is so poisonous that even the Environmental Protection Agency says you should wash it off your skin when you return indoors, avoid breathing it in and not spray it directly on your face.

[quote] Dangers of DEET and Chemical Insect Repellents: The chemical DEET can melt plastic or fishing line. A pharmacologist at Duke University discovered that prolonged exposure to DEET may impair cell function in parts of your brain. This was demonstrated in the lab by death and behavioral changes in rats with frequent or prolonged DEET use. Scientists Vincent Corbel and Bruno Lapied headed a team of researchers from the University of Angersrchers studying the toxicity of DEET. Corbel says: “We’ve found that DEET is not simply a behavior-modifying chemical but also inhibits the activity of a key central nervous system enzyme, acetycholinesterase, in both insects and mammals.”

[quote]Permethrin is another harmful chemical found in many bug sprays. This chemical is a neurotoxin, meaning it can kill brain cells. Permethrin is also extremely toxic to bees, cats, and all aquatic life. Not only is it hurting the body, it is also damaging the environment. The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has categorized this Permethrin as carcinogenic, capable of causing lung tumors, liver tumors, immune system problems, and chromosomal abnormalities.

[quote]If these sprays can kill mosquitoes and melt plastic, it is probably not a good idea to use on your skin. When we use these repellents, the toxic chemicals that are inside them get directly absorbed into our blood through the skin and may be doing more damage to the body than we ever imagined.

[quote]Long Term Affects of Chemically Based Bug Sprays: Many people do not make the connection between chemically based bug spray and pesticides. However, bug sprays that prevent pests such as mosquitoes through harsh chemicals are indeed pesticides. In the same way you wouldn’t put weed killer on your arm you might think twice about putting certain pesticides on your skin. As pesticide use has become a common practice, scientists are now studying the long term side effects these chemicals have on the human body. According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), more than 4.5 billion pounds of chemical pesticides are used every year on crops, around the home, around and in ponds, on humans and pets. Studies are now showing that exposure to insect repellents and other pesticides indicates a higher risk of cancers, typically of the blood, brain, lymph system, soft tissues, stomach, prostate and breast. In children, exposure to insect repellents also indicates an increased risk of various forms of cancer, as well as weakening of the immune system. Intermediate exposure has been linked to Neurotoxicity (nerve system damage) while long term exposure has not only been linked to cancer, but also disruption of the endocrine system. This means that pregnant woman and children should limit or avoid their exposure to pesticides as studies are linking them with birth defects as well as growth and development issues.

I remember Cabbagetown long before it became an "in" place to live. It was the mill village that housed many of the workers at the Fulton Bag & Cotton Mill next door. After the mill closed in the 70s most of the former mill workers gradually moved out. The whole village became a derelict hell hole. Many of the little shotgun shacks literally fell in. Then people started buying them for next to nothing and fixing them up and turned it into a great little village.

This is the Cabbagetown of my youth when the mill was running at full speed.

Here's a before and after of Cabbagetown. On the left is what the village turned into after the mill closed down and most people moved back to the mountains, where they were brought in from tp work at the mill. On the right is what it became after all the artists (well actually the gays) moved in and resurrected it.

Wow, that is amazing r267. Was looking at the prices for condos and houses in that area, it's on par with L.A. Looks like poor Reynoldstown is being taken over by giant soulless modern box condos, and maybe east Atl and Grant Park are the last area with reasonable prices.

r264, no, but really Hattie's isn't worth it. Here's FB Midtown menu- I had no idea they had so many locations:

We understand there are many Armenians in California. Here in Georgia we hate the Armenians and are almost at war with them. You are not Armenian, maybe?

Armenians ? When I lived there it was Turkish and Saudi Arabians everywhere. I worked for a Turkish family and they were great people but what a mess they were.

What a weird statement. Armenians are in Glendale. That's it. Way more Iranians.

Flying Biscuit looks more like a white brunch place. I don’t like brunch food. I’m into soul food.

Whenever I'm there, at least half the patrons are black r273. But do go and let us know what you think.

How bad are the summers? Do most people stay inside with AC?

The average highs in Atlanta in the summer months are in the upper 80s. June 87 - July 89 - August 88 with an average of 7 to 9 days of rain each month. Of course there are 'hot spells' where the temps can get blazingly hot for days & at times weeks. But you have that almost anywhere. Someone mentioned having never seen steam coming off the roads after a rain where they are from. As a child I loved seeing that, and frankly don't mind it today. And no, few stay in the house in the A/C during the summer. Like northerners who've hardened themselves to the cold in the winter, we have hardened ourselves to the heat & humidity in the summer. You'll see runners all over the city on the hottest days of the year just like any other day.

Today we had a rain anomaly. I was looking out into the back yard and it was bright and sunny and dry as a bone. I walked into the living room on the front side of the house and it was still sunny but pouring rain.

[quote] You'll see runners all over the city on the hottest days of the year just like any other day.

Nope. Not true.

To answer your question, the summers usually range from the 80sF-100sF. The 80s temps usually begin in the Spring, though, as others have mentioned and continue well into Autumn. It’s not unusual to see 90s/100s in the summer. It is not so much the heat, though, but the HEAT + HUMIDITY.

Honestly, summers are hell in Atlanta. There are posters like the above that will try to tell you otherwise. It sounds like the poster saying otherwise is the Atlanta-Fort Knox Defender that will brook no criticism of the city. Listen to the poster who talks about working outside Cabbagetown. He’s a more realistic poster.

Range means nothing. It reflects extremes. The average High temperature at ATL peaks at 89 in mid July

Well R277 I guess all the runners I see running past my building in the hot summer months are all being chased by the cops. You find summers in Atlanta hell apparently because you're a weakling.

Facts 👏🏾

89F and 90% humidity when there is no rain, is painful. Doesn’t matter if the temp is 85F or 90F , with that degree of humidity it remains uncomfortable.

I lived in the tropics and experienced extreme heat and humidity. We called it the Build Up. It was very uncomfortable. Then the monsoon rains would come and the saturated air would release into precipitation. This was heaven.

Atlanta is like a Build Up with no release. There is no monsoon season. It is relentless. AC has made living there bearable. Living indoors in artificial air-created environs for months at a time.

[quote] We're moving to Georgia from California My husband got a new job. What should we be expecting?

Quite literally - Hell on Earth

[quote] Living indoors in artificial air-created environs for months at a time.

Yes, Atlantans turn into pod people in the summer. We go into our pods, lock the doors, and don't come out until October. No one is allowed to come inside or go outside the perimeter. All outdoor life ceases to exist

Georgia should make the Mosquito the State Bird.

[quote] If you move to SF, you can go to any store and just take what you want without repercussions.

Yes, both CVS and Walgreens no longer require payment. And I heard that Target is also doing this now too. It helps to offset the high cost of living in that shit hole. $3250 for a decent one bedroom is insane.

[quote] Georgia should make the Mosquito the State Bird.

Hahahahaha, good one, R284. Too true and unlike the poster who always sprays bug repellent on every time they go out (yuck!), we always get eaten alive.

I sneaked outside my pod once in August and my hair caught on fire. IT LITERALLY CAUGHT ON FIRE!! But there was no one to help me put the fire out since everyone stays inside for months. I still have the scars to prove it. 🤪

Composite drawing of the average Georgian man.

[quote] Yes, Atlantans turn into pod people in the summer. We go into our pods, lock the doors, and don't come out until October. No one is allowed to come inside or go outside the perimeter. All outdoor life ceases to exist.

I assume you are being sarcastic, R283, but we have a neighbor who has a large house with a Mother-In-Law Suite where the Mother of the family lives. She is in her late 60s and essentially does as you describe in her Pod. She keeps the AC on high and it stays that way until October/November when she does then get outside. By that time, the temps are more bearable. Come Spring, she holes herself up again when the heat and humidity become uncomfortable.

It’s an awful way to live.

Maybe, just maybe she has health issues. Most older people anywhere are told to stay out of extreme temperatures. Not that I believe for one second she never comes out for months on end.

She doesn’t have any “health issues”. She is slightly overweight, but not significantly so. Pre-pandemic I used to love to visit with her, as her place is so cool and comfortable in the summer.

Just as some people are sensitive to the cold and do not tolerate the cold well, the same can be said of heat and humidity. Familiar with Raynaud’s?

As there is no coastal cooling, or afternoon doctor breeze to cool to things down in Atlanta, the consistency of heat and humidity is difficult for some people....and because their corporeal being does not tolerate it well, does not make them any less of a person.

I live in East Atlanta, I love it hear.

Midtown is also a nice place to live.

Ansley Park, Virginia Highlands and Druids Hills are good if you’re older (and have lots of $$$).

Don’t go to Buckhead, it’s full of “real housewives” trash.

I'm the film industry person upthread- I loved Virginia Highlands with all their Craftsmen houses, small boutiques, restaurants (amazing gelato place there), until I stayed in Cabbagetown. But Atlanta overall has some beautiful houses, not too touched by the modern invasion that we've been having in West Hollywood for the past 15 years- almost all the Craftsmen are gone here.

Someone upthread mentioned getting used to the heat- I thought I never got used to it until one early evening, it was 79 degrees with 80% humidity and I thought it how was cool and refreshing it was. But I still hate the heat. Pretty bad allergy season in the spring too. People's A/C must so so expensive there to run continuously. Do people have mold problems like they do in S.F/Bay Area?

How safe is the subway system in Atlanta?

R289 and I have a cousin who has a mother-in-law who has a coworker who has an uncle who ...

Buckhead used to have one of the best gay bars ever, called the Pharr Library, but that was forty to fifty years ago.....

[quote] People's A/C must so so expensive there to run continuously. Do people have mold problems like they do in S.F/Bay Area?

Yup, AC bills can be unfortunately very high for some. Also we had high mold levels in our lower level.

Buckhead used to be a bit different than it is now. Wouldn’t want to live or go there atm.

R294, is so delicate, so dainty.

Get an anti depressant script ASAP.

Start drinking spirits to take away the pain

When conversing with the locals, don't use any words longer than 3 syllables at most. Any more and you will just confuse them.

If you ask them where the nearest health store is, they will direct to the hospital.

[quote] How safe is the subway system in Atlanta?

The MARTA is filled with sketchy people. Don't even think of taking it outside of normal business hours.

Yess r299, I did a job in Lancaster, CA last summer for 2 months in 106 degree weather and thought I was dying as well. No pop ups for us-it was brutal. It took the lead actor and the director to get heatstroke for production to give us pop ups for 2 days. Then that went away., so back to holding individual umbrellas for us. I will say I'd rather have dry heat than humid. At least we had wind blowing around occasionally, but it felt like a giant blow dryer.

But back to the thread- MARTA is like any other rail system in a city- it depends what neighborhoods you're on/off boarding and riding through. Also, have we ever heard back from the OP?

I've been taking the trains since 1979. I've gone from Midtown to the airport countless times in day and night with my luggage and briefcase. I've never had a single incident on the train and I've never seen any incident on the train. I did see the cops arresting some guy on the platform once at the Lakewood/Ft. Mac station.

In 2020 there were 208 reported "offenses" committed on MARTA trains. A combined total of 282 offenses were committed in the MARTA system (busses/trains/streetcars/park - ing lots/facilities. That number represents a 35% decrease from 2019. Considering the number of riders on the MARTA system every day the chance of being a victim of a crime on MARTA is quite low.

[quote] Combined Ridership for the month of August was 4.5 million unlinked passenger boardings, exceeding the forecast by 0.2 million. The 2022 Fiscal Year-to-Date (months of July through August) Combined Ridership of 9.1 million unlinked trips exceeded the forecast by 0.6 million.

There used to be a lot of crazies but that was twenty years ago. I wonder where they stashed them all?

thanks R301.

Is downtown Atlanta safe to walk around at night?

you are going to be on here crying (complaining) in less than a year.

[quote] Is downtown Atlanta safe to walk around at night?

As long as you stay in the areas where there are plenty of people. The area around Centennial Olympic Park is relatively safe and there are usually a lot of people around there when the weather is warm. The area around Peachtree Center is safe. Heading farther south there's really not much but office towers and state, city, and Fulton county office buildings and the expanse of the Ga. State University campus intertwined with all the office buildings that are all emptied out at night.

But honestly, unless there's some big function going on downtown there's not much to do down there at night. The action is in Midtown and Buckhead. But like any city walking around at night alone in areas where there aren't a lot of people is not advised.

There are sketchy people on every subway system in the country. And just because someone looks sketchy that does not mean they're criminals. If you don't want to be around a lot of people who can't afford a car or who don't know how to drive, stay off subway systems.

R309 especially in NYC

Our country is very hairy men. Hope you like!

Good time to move. The latest ecological mishap in CA is 2-4 million tons of sewage spilled in the ocean in Long Beach where beaches are closed.

Homeless people and drug addicts.

R309, not every subway system requires police in every car like MARTA has been having. Plus it's a very convenient way to get the airport so sometimes you don't have a choice.

[quote] Is downtown Atlanta safe to walk around at night?

That would be a no, at least south of the Fox Theater.

R314 as long as there are Uber, Lyft, busses and taxis or friends and family who can drive you to and/or pick you up at the airport choices exist in Atlanta as anywhere,

MARTA does not have a cop in every car. Jesus where do you get this crap.

and PS R314 who wants to drag around luggage on the subway!

[quote] The latest ecological mishap in CA is 2-4 million tons of sewage spilled in the ocean in Long Beach where beaches are closed.

As opposed to the 10 millions tons of sewage spilled from Marjorie Taylor Green's mouth every day in Georgia.

R317 they obstinately don't want to get it, and, in their lives, they rarely get it. That's what turns them into such persnickety hair-splitte

MARTA has more rail cars than they have police officers.

[quote] as long as there are Uber, Lyft, busses and taxis or friends and family who can drive you to and/or pick you up at the airport choices exist in Atlanta as anywhere

Yeah, cause friends and family are dying to drive you to the airport at 7am or pick you up at 11pm. And who wants to pay for a $40 Uber to Sandy Springs when a MARTA ride costs $2.50?

R322 You need friends! And why not take one of the many shuttles that run all day and into the evening. Who wants to drag luggage onto a crowded subway? or just wallow in your lonely, bitter misery!

R322 I do and maybe share a ride or take a bus. . . If you can't afford it why travel?

R322 How do people get to and from LAX without any subway to take them there? And who wants to ride a subway at 11pm or midnight anyway?

R319 at least her mouth doesn't destroy sea life like oil spills and millions of tons of toxic crap. You'll need a hazmat suit to wade into the ocean.

[quote] You need friends!

I have plenty. How many do you have that don't have any problem driving you at 7am?

[quote] How do people get to and from LAX without any subway to take them there?

But Atlanta has one, dumbass, that drops off you right at the terminal. So it would be the logical choice.

[quote] Who wants to drag luggage onto a crowded subway?

Not everyone's going to Paris for three weeks and will have 5 suitcases in tow. Someone on a 2 day business trip or weekend getaway will have a small bag at most.

[quote] How do people get to and from LAX without any subway to take them there?

There's the FlyAway bus.

R328 Now I know why you have no friends. You're tiresome as fuck!

R327 no wonder you have no friends to take you to the airport?

Subways are so germy and does everyone wear a mask?

5 suitcases for 3 weeks? Sweet Jesus, you don't know how to pack.

What grown up can't afford Uber or a town car to get to and from the airport? I would never ask any friend to do such a tiresome task, and I pay about $200 to get to the closest airport.

It's like asking friends to help you move. Perfectly fine when you are in college, absolutely not as an adult. Pay movers to hurt their backs, not your friends.

I take you from Tbilisi airport wherever you need go - I am uber driver. Forget what these guys say. Maybe we also have some adventures?

R333 assuming you have friends I can see where driving someone 30 minutes to the airport would be comparable to lifting furniture and boxes downstairs and loading them into a van and then unloading the van and carrying the furniture and boxes into another place and upstairs or into an elevator would seem like equal tasks.

Hey ass at R335, you don't know how far away I live from the airport. I bet you need to harass your "friends" for noxious tasks such as carting your carcass around town and to the airport.

I am sure your friends pity you, for your inability to pay for a town car. You are probably their pity project.

Glad I can afford the town car, otherwise I would have to become a ride pest such as yourself.

Block R335 and the thread becomes much more pleasant.

I have learned a new term today: ride pest

R336 yessum, Miss Daisy!

R336 you do know that we are talking about Atlanta and not the Hudson Valley?

I would never ask friends to take me to the airport either.

If you can't afford the uber maybe you should be saving money rather than traveling.

R341 because you don't have friends and if you do, they probably exclaim oy vey! every time they have to move from the couch to use the bathroom.

Throwing into some weird antisemitism r342. That's nice.

Maybe one day you'll grow up.

R343 Maybe one day you'll have friends who don't see you as a pest or bother and would offer to do a favor for you. @ R316 I said that instead of taking the subway to the airport a bus, shuttle, or Uber would be preferable or possibly a friend could take you. The rest is all you projection an overreaction.

R338 How about 'seeing the whole picture' See R316 before you overreact to only one part of what was said!

R336 You need to stop projecting and limiting the scope of what I said @ R316

R336 and I am suitably impressed that you can afford a town car

R65 - while much of what you say is true, it is very easy to find great Mexican or Thai food. Just drive out Buford highway and there and many many great ethnic restaurants.

R343' throwing into some weird antisemitism

R341 'I would never . . .' Karen meets Frau

R333 you and your 'friends' sound tiresome

R341 is a New Yorker which means that if you were being assaulted no one would call 911 but they would film it.

If you're used to a fun nightlife, prepare to be bored.

R353 the OP has a husband and with Grindr and social media you can still have a fun life at night

I get a ride pest vibe from R343.

I get a lonely friendless vibe from R338 and R355. Someone whose learned a new term and out of boredom is trying it out again. R316

OP who moves to a place without checking it out first? You and the information you provided have a sketchy vibe!

OP Do you travel with your mother's corpse in the passenger seat to discourage hitchhikers and ride pests.

How old are you OP? You lived in NYC in the 70s I see.

OP I think Atlanta's climate might be tough for an old gal like you.

R355 see R28

OP it all sounds so fabulist!

R306 like you and Inwood it's dicey, but fewer ride pests at night

R253 OP is bored out of their skull and a fraud. No husband and no life!

R306 yeah MARTA is dangerous. Avoid it! Does your 'husband' have a car?

R333 You seem so triggered by the word 'friends'

OP sounds like an unstable Manhattanite.

The only move the OP has made is from the attic to the basement

R327 what airport has only early morning flights?

R355 See R252

R273 I'm into Seoul food myself!

R338 See R253

R287 That's what you get for buying those cheap wigs!

R239 Wilton Manors has a population of 12K as opposed to Atlanta which has 500K. They're practically twin cities. The main difference is that you can walk to the airport from anywhere in Wilton Manors.

OP What does your 'husband' do when he's not changing your bedpan?

R336 hopefully you can afford a nurse to change your diapers

R314 see R301

R336 you make an occasional favor sound like a full-time job

Does R343 = R356?

For some reason R356 through R378 don't show up. I can't have THAT many people blocked.

R343 is the one who accuses everyone of anti-semitism.

R75 If California is so wonderful, why did you move from California to Atlanta in the first place?

R379 No

R338=R355=OP

These southern queens sound so damaged and tiresome. It must be from growing up in the bible belt!

R384 few of the posters on this thread are from the South!

A massive hurricane taking out the South would be doing the country some favors.

R386 with oil spills, mudslides, droughts, floods, wildfires and earthquakes . . . the South will probably outlast CA

I went to Savannah last week, actually spent some time there. I rode my bike through all forty of the squares. It is one of the most beautiful of American cities with all the green space, broad boulevards and architectural variety. The touristy area is obnoxious, but it’s a big city with lots of unique neighborhoods. I liked it more than uptight Charleston. The Bonaventura Cemetery is unbelievably romantic.

[quote] but it’s a big city with lots of unique neighborhoods

Savannah is a big town, not a big city.

R387 yes dearest. Because the South never experiences oil spills and natural disasters, not to mention your terrible politics

Never said never R390

8.5 million TONS of toxic sewage spilled onto streets and into the ocean due to a severed line and over 2, 500,000 acres have been destroyed in wildfires. Earthquakes are mostly CA events and raise the risks of tsunamis. Don't have skin in the game as I don't live in the South or CA.

R388 Thank you for loving my city. Was it your first time in Savannah?

And yes, the squares in savannah are very beautiful. Especially at night. I wasbout last night walking around downtown savannah and it was nice and cold just the way I like it.

One of the reasons I'm never leaving the S. A. V.

Does Elton John still have his place in Atlanta? Will he see his old friend Rush Limbaugh on his birthday on January 12?

R389 Savannah is actually a small city.

[R392] I have been there a few times before, my family lives near Charleston, but I hadn’t really explored the different neighborhoods. It really is stunning, the Italianate mansions are beautiful but there are plenty of more modest places too that are also just as appealing. I liked the bungalows in Thunderbolt. Lucky you, being a native!

R387 Be careful of what you wish on the south. There's plenty of progressive/democratic voters who like in the south. (Like me) Georgia is not all bad. William T. Sherman burned down a lot of Georgia during the Civil War. But got to Savannah and told his men to stand down. Why? Because he thought Savannah was the most beautiful city he'd ever seen in America. He even gave Savannah to President Lincoln as a Christmas gift because he thought it was so beautiful.

Not everyone in the south is a filthy deplorable. I'm definitely not. Georgia is one of the greenest states in the country, and there's plenty to do here. I'd be more worried about California if I we're you. You guys have big problems out there and you need to fix them like yesterday.

Like the 60K plus homeless people in LA county alone. The homeless problem is so bad in LA, that celebrities feel the need to bring it up while they're making talk show appearances and point out the extreme poverty just outside the studio where the show is being filmed. More and more people are pointing it.

The south is working its self out.

Yes it is, by quickly becoming Chicago.

and R397 don't forget SF and NYC

and LAPD is warning of' follow-home robberies' on the rise in Los Angeles

R396 I think you mean the sour grape Californian @ R386 whose vines are being decimated by wildfires

R396 It would seem that you have a lot to sort out.

R396 and CA has a lot to clean up including the air pollution that makes it the most polluted state in the US despite all the regulations.

R401 The ALA lists California as the most polluted state in terms of ozone and year-round particle pollution with CA having 27 out of the top 75 cities ranked highest in pollution.

OP you'll breathe easier in Georgia

Gay conversion therapy is still legal there. There are no protective laws against antigay workplace discrimination. Sad!

R397 have you seen the number of homicides in Chicago? In July of 2021 more people in Chicago died from homicide than COVID-19 .

[quote] Does Elton John still have his place in Atlanta?

Yes, he does.

There's a paper mill upwind from Savannah that overwhelms the city with a horrible sour stench for parts of the day. It pervades everything.

Why do rural people put up with the stink of these mills when many are now owned by the Chinese? They are weak and cowards when it counts. They don’t stand up to the stink makers but will gladly run over a democrat with their truck.

I don’t get these deplorables. They are so stupid.

R407 is living in the past. He hasn’t had that place for 15 years.

OP, you don't have a job?

That's not true r410.

It's certainly not his primary residence, but he does still own the place in Atlanta and spends some time in the city.

R408 yet visitors from LA, Bakersfield and Fresno always comment on how fragrant the air is!

R411 Yes. Creating baseless threads from my basement in Fresno!

R410 is an idiot who thinks he knows things. Word to the wise. He knows nothing.

The smell from Union Bag & Paper does not pervade Savannah every day. In fact, I was grocery shopping in town last week and there was no smell whatsoever and in the last year every time I've been in town I haven't noticed the smell. When I was a kid in the 50s & 60s it seemed it was every time we were there. I imagine the company has been forced to clear things up.

I was in Atlanta when Miss Elton had the mother of all garage sales. If he saw a shirt he liked,he'd buy one in every color. Multiples of everything. It was written about like it was some sort of social event.

OP, did you ever say what city or town you’re moving to?

I don't think OP ever came back r418. Probably a fake thread for the point of starting a thread rather than a real person who is moving and wants help.

Well, the OP learned a new term @ R338 and applied it @ R355

How the fyck did a Brit like elton john find his way in the American south in Atlanta? That is really fucking weird.

The brits do not belong in the south. LA/NYC Miami and Vegas are the designated vacation spots for them in America. It's always weird when I see brits in Georgia. They're just so out of place here.

R421 When I lived in Ft. Lauderdale all the Brits and Canadians I met loved Florida

[quote] How the fyck did a Brit like elton john find his way in the American south in Atlanta?

Atlanta has major music production facilities and I believe Elton originally came to the city to work with someone in that industry and then, according to him, fell in love with the city. So much so that he decided to make it his home (or at least one of his homes).

Oh hun r421, know your American History:

God, you don't need to live up to stereotypes of southerners being provincial hicks r421. "What these furriners doin here?"

Atlanta desperately wants to be considered a world class city, that means being a cosmopolitan place with lots of people from all over the globe.

As you can see, Tbilisi is inland, but Kutaisi is nearer the coast and a very pleasant city.

One thing I found out very quickly when visiting the UK is that many people there are infatuated with the American Civil War and have studied it in depth. They were also very interested in the southern states and those I met who had visited the south spoke very glowingly about their visit.

Regarding the number of foreign born people living in Atlanta, there are almost 800,000 foreign immigrants in the city (14% of the total population), and 1 million in the state (11%).

[quote] Atlanta desperately wants to be considered a world class city

Yeah, good luck with that.

L.A. proved too much for man.... So he's leaving life he came to know...

He's leaving, on that midnight train to Georgia.....

Please tell me you're going to live in Atlanta or Athens. And no where else.

I meant to say "there are almost 800,000 foreign immigrants in the METRO"

One advantage Atlanta has is its CHEAP to live.

Cheaper maybe, but certainly not cheap in any stretch of the imagination.

It depends on what you are used to r433. Compared to say NY, LA, SF then Atlanta is cheap

R434 Actually SF is cheap as long as you don't shoplift over 1K worth of goods.

R435 😁👍

R434 is correct.

Here is helpful to you information on visas for Republic of Georgia.

I still think brits are out of place in the state of Georgia. They're just so out of place and seem so foriegn to the south. I feel like, brits are to see the south in movies, but they don't actually go to the south.

I've always felt like LA and NYC is more their speed as far as where they go in America. I guess they're just curious about the south and wanna witness the stereotypes they've seen in movies about the south for themselves. I remember two brits getting killed in Miami for leaving the vacation parts of the city and going into parts of the city they shouldn't have for whatever reason. This is why foreigners should be careful when they come to other countries. The two guys knew nothing about Miami and should've stayed in the vacation tourist parts of town. Just one of the many reasons I think it's so strange to see brits and other Europeans in the south. They're just so out of place here.

It's just not natural for them to be here. Just my feelings and opinion on the topic.

R336 Maximum Absorbency Depends were just made for grannies like you

R439 has stated her boundaries.

R439 pardon me but you sound like one of the most provincial people ever. You certainly don't seem well traveled.

[QUOTE] I still think brits are out of place in the state of Georgia. They're just so out of place and seem so foriegn to the south. I feel like, brits are to see the south in movies, but they don't actually go to the south.

Errrrr...weren't they the ones that *populated* the south? That those people in south are descended from? Or at least "Scots Irish" did...close enough.

[QUOTE] I imagine the company has been forced to clear things up.

No, the place just started to smell better once you moved away R416.

Mouthy middle school girl on her period alert at R416!!

My sister lives near Krog Street Market and we go for walks then get croissants from Little Tart. OMG! So good!

Don't you mean your sister *is* a little tart?

LOL! No. If you saw my sister you'd realize how hilarious that concept is. R447, I'm telling you, in this instance, that you have not lived until you taste their chocolate pistachio croissants. These are the most flaky, buttery, gorgeous decadent croissants in the world. Incredible. Little Tart.

[quote] I'm telling you, in this instance, that you have not lived until you taste their chocolate pistachio croissants. These are the most flaky, buttery, gorgeous decadent croissants in the world. Incredible. Little Tart.

😭😭😭

I moved to the Atlanta metro area in 2019. Here's what I've found so far. Good food and places to shop for said. Dekalb County Farmers Market for one.

MARTA is like any other public transit system. But when it works, it works, when it doesn't you're screwed.

And the men - dear non existent deity the men here are gorgeous.

Atlanta has one of the ugliest downtowns on the country.

R451 "On the country"

I had no idea Melania Trump frequented DL?

Girl, how's your hoeing post white house going?

R439 it would probably shock you to know there is European Royalty in the North Georgia mountains. On property that was once the home of Englishman Godfrey Barnsley who came to Georgia in 1824 and married a Savannah girl. He built her a beautiful estate in the N. Ga. mountains. In 1906 the property was seriously damaged by a tornado and the main house was left abandoned until the late 1980s when Prince Hubertus Fugger Babenhausen of Germany came to Georgia and bought the property, because he said it reminded him of his home in Germany, and 1300 additional acres, and restored the ruins of the estate and made Barnsley Gardens his home and eventually a large resort.

Brits and Aussies FLOCK to the Mississippi Delta and to New Orleans. Can't get enough of the birthplace of the blues and jazz.

R453 I didn't know that. Why do so many Europeans want to come to the south? Is Europe not big enough for them? Seriously.

Why not go to Montana or Mississippi or Idaho or anywhere in fly over country? Why to Georgia?

If you've ever been to the UK you'd be very surprised how much the countryside of north Georgia resembles a lot of the countryside of the UK. On my first trip to England as an adult, driving around I was very surprised how much I felt like I was driving around in the north Georgia hills. Many Brits and others on the continent who don't care for city life like the lifestyle of the more rural areas of the southern US. Plus their attitudes haven't been tainted by American anti-southern stupidity from those who hate that so many people are leaving their areas and moving south.

R451 speaks the truth. Ugly and dreary. Even Cincinnati is better.

R457 What's there to do in Cincinnati?

I want the brits to stay the hell out of the south. Especially Georgia. It's bad enough that we have a Brit running coca cola in Atlanta. Not to long a ago I was walking around downtown savannah and heard a British couple walk past me and heard their accents. I remember thinking, what the fuck are they doing here in savannah?

Most of downtown Atlanta is almost strictly for office workers. it empties out at night because there's not that much to do. The action is farther uptown in Midtown and Buckhead.

You sound so lovely and welcoming R459. You sound like you'd be happier in Brooklyn.

And get off my lawn!

I welcome you and please register to vote so we can elect Stacey and make that Kemp jerk go away.

Yes!!!Please come and register to vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R461 and R462 I am a welcoming person. I'm also 33. It's just weird seeing and hearing brits in the south. I'm just always wondering why they're here?

There's nothing wrong with that.

And yes. We need to elect Stacy Abrams and elect Raphael Warnock to a full six year term.

I'm the film person upthread who has worked in Atl, and I sent donations to her campaign during the election. She's a force of nature and thank the gods for that.

R162 is probably teh sort who stays indoors all yeas regardless. If you live in Minnesota, you often learn to cross-country ski, snowshoe, skate, etc. and learn to save winter for things that you can enjoy indoors. I grew-up in the snowbelt and frankly liked all the variation. R162 sounds like someone without imagination which would make him perfect for ATL, land of the incurious. If people have to bore you with weather reports (while ignoring stuff like the mosquitos and humidity), it usually means they are either living in a cultural wasteland (Florida! Georgia!) or they are just as miserable as ever (southern California!). I've made many trips to LA and SD and used to work in SE Asia (land of fat depressed old Germans) and initially was struck with all the depressed looking people until I realized that people relocate because they imagine that sunshine will lift their mood, and it doesn't. Even NYers seem more cheery than the glum zombies you see walking around Santa Monica, Pasadena or Hillcrest.

R452, relax Boris. It was a typo. Paranoid much?

Georgia has gone to shit.

[quote] Even NYers seem more cheery than the glum zombies you see walking around Santa Monica, Pasadena or Hillcrest.

As a former NYer and Angeleno, your experience is the exact OPPOSITE of mine.

The NYers (while lovely), were glum trudging through rain, sleet and snow.

The SoCalers, conversely, were a happy bunch playing in the sunshine and moderate temps.

New Yorkers are wound tight!

You know what? Don't come here. really. Go ahead and keep promoting you too, too sophisticated NYC/LA fantasies where you go to trendy clubs and shows and restaurants, WTF ever, and leave us be. We live well. I actually have my own personal washer and Dryer in my condo. I have a concierge, and a fitness center and a pool (out doors.) I play tennis and golf, and people here are quite literate, inventive, and we have some outstanding restaurants local, not franchises, etc. So we're good. And I love that we can get in the car and be at the ocean in about 3-4 hours or the mountains. I love it here.

^^^^ R472 loves sweltering humidity.

Good for you.

Thankfully there are folks who live in places others of us have no interest in whatsoever.

NYC is back to normal and just had its most disastrous fire in 30 years following a year that had the highest number fire fatalities in 27 years. 2021 was another banner year with the highest number of vehicular fatalities since Lurch took office as well as the highest number of homicides in 10 years.

R472 here. Forgot to mention that I also have free secure parking and more than 40 acres of gardens and nature to wander around in unbothered.

That must be fun in August.

R470 just stay away from the beach due to a possible tsunami. They might become the newest disaster for CA.

exNYer brandonjoseph is all over this thread. He can't get anyone to fuck his musty old bottom in the big cities. he has to pay poor whores in places like Florida and Georgia. so sad!

[quote] exNYer brandonjoseph is all over this thread.

Is that who keeps boasting about having a washer/dryer in Atlanta?

Kinda thought it weird that someone would be hailing attributes (w/d, concierge, parking) when that all can be relatively ubiquitous throughout the US.

Seemed sad. But understand the need for one-upmanship for someone who left NYC for Atlanta.

R479 Yes. And I cannot even begin to fathom the vile sloppy state of miss brandonjoseph's anal hygiene in such muggy temps!

Brandon....the purported straight guy who posted his dick pics from a zillion years ago on DL?

R480 R481 a stalker!

OP, did you move yet or did we scare you off?

Opie is a fake! She lives in Mayberry RFD!

I'm not that person, but I do welcome you to GA, Vote, please .

[quote] That would be a no, at least south of the Fox Theater.

Wrong again, The Peachtree Center area is certainly safe at night and there's almost always loads of people around there with the major hotels all conglomerated in just a couple of blocks and various restaurants.

IMO anything south of Five Points is sketchy at night, but sine that area is mostly city/county/state government buildings there's little to no reason for anyone to be walking around that part of town at night.

R480 is that what you spend you days and nights thinking about

R478 wrong as always. I don't live in the South. You should know there are many places to live besides Florida, Georgia and NY

R476 like the northeast which can be sweltering in August many go on vacation.

Since I live here can I just say East Atlanta Village and Grant Park are lovely. Krog Street Market is a great walk. And the neighborhoods around the Atlanta Zoo all have newer condo developments in the past 5-10 years, and beautifully restored homes. We go walking in the area and on the Beltline all the time.

Look at the maps where shootings and Covid outbreaks take place in Chicago. It's not the entire city. Compartmentalized crime and disease are nothing to brag about, but the city is not a war zone. If you're happy living in a red state, fine. I thought Buckhead was glorious the times I visited it.

R491 But parts of it are. Hence the term war ZONE

To be surprised when a new friend you thought you knew fairly well turns out to have some odd ideas about dinosaurs and maybe thinks Obama is the anti-Christ.

R493 did they think Michelle was a dinosaur? I think I know that person.

I forgot to mention Inman Park and Candler Park. Lots of great restoration work being done, great little neighborhood restaurants.

Lots of Farmers' markets, lots of festivals. In April there's the Inman Park neighborhood festival and homes tour, , then there's the Dogwood Festival at Piedmont Park, The Art festival is at Piedmont in August. and there are concerts and festivals all over the place all the way thru to November.

[quote]What should we be expecting?

Despair over the direction your lives have taken.

[QUOTE] IMO anything south of Five Points is sketchy at night, but sine that area is mostly city/county/state government buildings there's little to no reason for anyone to be walking around that part of town at night.

Well, people do go there for sex hookups.

Two words. Waffle House.

At least you will be spared interacting with these fine Georgian men....

GA is beautiful, Atlanta is better. Do a rental home for a year in the Grant Park area and then sniff out where you want to buy.

Don't make jokes about Waffle House. They're precious.

They're dangerous. Every other day there's a shooting or some brawl at one of them.

Ah've nevah bin to a Waffle Haus. We go to the Flyin Biscuit. Ah measure my attendance by two things. Do they have good bacon? Do they have good coffee? I mean anybody can make biscuits.

I've been to waffle haus but i've nevah been ta me.

Flying Biscuit is for proper breakfast or brunch. Waffle House is for post bar or clubbing meals.

When you eat that waffle house stuff at 3 am, drunk, doesn't that give you nasty shits the next morning?

I've never had a problem, r506.

There are three Waffle Houses near me and never a problem. They mostly cater to hourly workers who get up really early during the week. And the high school kids who stop in after school. They have such a limited menu I mean, this is not an IHOP.

Oh yea, Atlanta. Great place to raise a family. Super safe.

Georgia on the coast, so we're much better than those other inland southern shithole states. Glad I'm glfrom Georgia.

Let's clear something up. Amaud was murdered in Satilla Shores across from Brunswick. It is a coastal area right near Jekyl Island. It is about 300 miles south of Atlanta. And I guarantfuckingtee you the developers and people with an interest were embarrassed and mortified that those fat nasty rednecks acted out and jumped in a pickup and an the young man down and shot him. That kind of behavior is no longer condoned and the Judge and jury made sure that message was sent. The good old boy (and girl ) network that hides those crimes and lies as did the first prosecutor, aren't going to sit long as prosecutors. They are still racist pigs, but they are real image conscious, and that image of the old south is one they do not need to recall, because the real estate developers and commercial tourist shit is far more lucrative. Those there were too dumb to live so they're getting life in prison.. and Georgia isn't a place you want to go to prison.

I'm high as a Georgia pine.

We are glad you got that sorted for us R511.

R511 I wouldn't want to go to prison anywhere especially the aptly named Rahway NJ State Prison.

When you cross the California state line, you are required to pull over and provide a fecal sample. I recommend that you prepare your sample in advance so you can hand it over and then get back on the road. It is very awkward when you are forced to provide it while the deputy watches.

News on CNN just announced that California is having its worst drought in more than 1,000 years. And BTW, Georgia is having "drought conditions" with weather service announcements of high winds and High fire danger in north and central GA. Atlanta is Central GA. We're all gonna die, so go where you happiest. I'm getting some winter boots. Sturdy ones, and a nice warm coat, a few sweaters, and heading north. I'm talking Montreal....or Norway..

I would go up to Ga if they had at least the same weed laws as we do in Fl. Not as good as NY but better than any other southern state

One day, sooner than we expect. All of Georgia will be the coastline of America, and Florida will be a memory.

R517 weed is not legal in NY

Tears.

You're moving to Georgia? Go! Go ahead and GO! WTF. You think Cali will mourn your loss? You think we give a fuck? Just make fucking sure you register to vote. VOTE BLUE!

R251 sounds like a grounded, happy Californian

R521 People can and do move. Why take it so personally?

r519 it most certainly is legal in NY. It's illegal to sell it but you can have quite a few ounces of it for personal use

Why are Florida weed laws so good?

R525 The weed you get from the "medical" dispensaries in Fl is awesome. Considering is really is a red state, all you need is to tell your "marijuana" Dr you're anxious or what ever and you get the card. You have access to some excellent weed in all different forms

Of course we can't compare it to the states where it legal for for the south, it's a good deal, better than any other southern state,

Agree with above and in FL they will deliver weed to your doorstep. But Fl is an outlier, I am now spending time in Asheville, NC and there is no legal weed nor legal medical MJ

New York legalized weed like a month after New Jersey did r519.

So, did OP move and if so, where in Ga?...not backtracking to see if already answered

We bought a zoo!

Medical weed is a big rip off. You have to pay fees each year for nothing.

[quote]My husband got a new job. What should we be expecting?

Oh honey, your bussies will so sore...

You will get a burning cross on the lawn.

[quote]Agree with above and in FL they will deliver weed to your doorstep. But Fl is an outlier, I am now spending time in Asheville, NC and there is no legal weed nor legal medical MJ

Honey, why don't you just send your maid to state that sells it and have her bring it back?

Just make room in your fridge for the casseroles...

(and you can pretty much heat them all up at 350° for 30-45 minutes, no matter what they tell you)

Southerners love to bring you food!

Vote for Stacey Abrams for Governor.

Stacey and Rev. Warnock! He's been an excellent Senator.

Yes, Senator Warnock is excellent. A long time civil rights leader and a Reverend in Martin Luther King Jr's Church. We are honored to have him as a US Senator.

Oppressively humid summer days. I went to Atlanta in August and no one was on the streets. I just stood in an air conditioned building, looking out, at the stillness in the city. I liken it to another summer day, driving through Needles, Calif., when I was afraid my tires would melt. Yes, it's that kind of heat.

R539 sounds like your brain melted, Gran!

You can vote for Stacey Abrams for Governor. This is your purpose. It is all for a noble reason.

They call it Hotlanta for good reason. It's hotter than hell in the summer. You'll pray for death , if your neighbors don't get you first.

[quote] Set your watches back about 150 years.

Just how bad is it?

R80 California is not LA.

I’ve been from Georgia to California, but I’ve never been to me.