What's wrong with Joey Luft?

He was NOT molested.

I bet he picked out her outfit that day.

His Mommy Dearest Judy couldn't lay off the drugs and booze during her pregnancy. He almost didn't survive infancy; one of his lungs failed to open. But he managed to survive. Supposedly he was her favorite child. Her affection towards him was cringeworthy, always pawing him and kissing him. He was named after one of Judy's great loves Joseph L. Mankiewicz. He was both physically and mentally affected by his mother's excesses. You can tell that just by listening to him and seeing him.

He's fine. What do you want him to do, break out singing "New York, New York?"

^^...or Over the Rainbow?

He's rather elfin, but as a young kid and teen he seemed just fine. Often the serious symptoms of FAS develop as one ages.

He used to play the drums onstage with Judy. He performed in all of her 1967 Palace Theater shows. Lorna intimated in her book he had a drinking problem as well. He lives with this married couple in Los Angeles, or rather they live with him. I think they trade off assisting him when needed for free or cheap housing. I'm sure Liza pays for his expenses.

I saw him at the old Ziegfeld movie theater here in NYC when they showed "Liza With a Z" on the big screen. Joey was hustled in by two big bodyguard type guys who practically lifted him as they walked. I don't think his feet touched the ground, he seemed worse off than in those later Academy Award pictures.

I'm surprised that any of those three survived

He likes blue.

At this point does it really matter?

I think we all look jusht fabulush!

Liza Without A Bra.

[quote] I'm surprised that any of those three survived.

Liza at a a young age had already established a career for herself and was leading an independent life, but Lorna and Joey were still children and living with Judy and it's a wonder they DID survive. She was so broke she couldn't even afford to buy food for them. Lorna's stockings were so torn and worn out that a kindly maid (she wasn't getting paid but stayed on to help Judy out of pity) bought her some new ones. At some point Lorna had a mental breakdown and had to be hospitalized. It reached a stage where she called her father Sid Luft and said send me a plane ticket, I need to go live with you, right now. Joey eventually ended up going to his father's, too. All this talk about what a great mother Judy Garland was...she was an UNFIT mother. And she dared to criticize her own mother? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

How about Where is Love, R4?

[quote]I'm surprised that any of those three survived

If it hadn't been for friends and neighbors like Cloris Leachman, who was a surrogate mother for them for years...I wonder how well they might have survived it all

He sounds perfectly fine. I don’t think FAS necessarily causes developmental problems. Bing Crosby’s sons were ugly as hell but I don’t think they were retarded.

It IS shocking that Liza is still alive at 75.

Poor Lorna 😞

[quote]Bing Crosby’s sons were ugly as hell but I don’t think they were retarded.

Bing Crosby's first wife Dixie Lee (born Wilma Winifred Wyatt) - the mother of those sons

was also an alcoholic

I was...oh, never mind, you’ve heard it already.

R18, numbed herself due to extremely abusive hubs.

[quote] I don’t think FAS necessarily causes developmental problems.

It most certainly does. The effects of FAS vary; some are more affected by it than others. It stunts the growth of some; others look relatively normal. And of course some are severely mentally disabled while others aren't as badly damaged. But there definitely is something wrong with Joey Luft. That seems obvious to me. LOOK at him. Even as a child he had a face that was kind of "off."

Yes, Judy while being very loving was an unfit mother, while Ethel Gumm was apparently a totally driven and not very loving piece of work. She didn't exactly give her daughters the emotional foundation they needed as it just wasn't in her.

Still, she reportedly ( from every other source but Judy) managed Judy's money effectively, and fought with Louis B. Mayer about Judy's treatment and excessive workload, but Judy of course thought her mother deeply neurotic and unhelpful. Judy claimed that after she had her nervous breakdowns in 1947-48 that Ethel kept telling her what she need was a frontal lobotomy!

[quote] Judy claimed that after she had her nervous breakdowns in 1947-48 that Ethel kept telling her what she need was a frontal lobotomy!

That was indeed a figment of Judy's drug addled imagination. She also spread the rumor that Ethel offered her to Louis B. Mayer was a sexual plaything. Judy told a lot of whoppers.

I see Joey posting here he was molested. Was he, can anyone explain this dl meme.

R24 needs reading comprehension assistance.

Liza needs to get those honkers lifted.

[quote]Liza needs to get those honkers lifted.

That’s probably the least of her physical problems.

Poor kid. Surely Judy knew he was a tard.