Bill Clinton

Not anymore OP , not anymore

I wouldn't fuck him with your dick OP

He does look ghostly.

R2's photo is a meme.

[quote]AIDS Bill Clinton, also known as Terminally Bill, is a photoshop meme based on a photograph of the 42nd President of the United States Bill Clinton, which is often digitally altered to make him appear as if he is suffering from a debilitating disease.

I think he should go on the deadpool 2022 after seeing that pic .

Straight men do not question their sexuality just like homosexuals do not question their sexuality. Well maybe for Rita Hayworth.

Not since 1996, OP

Here he is at the NYC Marathon last month

[quote]I think he should go on the deadpool 2022 after seeing that pic .

It's a meme, the caption even says it's a meme.

R2 is a troll, which is why I can't see its post

He was attractive years ago.

I've met him three times. The first time was at a meet and greet, when I turned the corner of the room and saw him it was like getting hit in the face with some mystical power. I'm not kidding! I got my picture taken with him while we shook hands. I actually think I was imbued with some of that power while holding on to him. The second time was crossing Park Avenue in NYC, he was just walking past me like anyone else and you could still feel it. The third time was at a Broadway show. People flocked to him. I've never felt anything like it before or since.

Good Lord, Chelsea Clinton is STILL homelier than a dog's ass.

He is charismatic. He was never physically attractive but his confidence, eloquence, swagger and boyish Southern demeanor made him irresistible to women and likable to men.

Everyone collapsed to their knees and their mouths! Their mouths assumed the shapes of fish bowl lampreys as they began to school about his belt buckle.

He looks sickly because he has CAD. CHF ? COPD? He certainly is charismatic, but he’s as ugly as a mud fence…and that wiener? Ewwww

Well, I was happy to be his human humidor, so, yeah, a bit.

I stood two feet from him and he looked me right in the eyes and smiled at me on a campaign stop when he first ran for president. Deep blue eyes, striking presence, tall. I was impressed.

A woman I know, an AIDS researcher back in the early 90s met him while he was campaigning, in ‘91.

He asked intelligent questions and made her nearly faint from his charisma/sexiness/magnetism.

She is a tough no nonsense scientist and he got to her.

Straight men don't really question their sexuality but they do express intense awe at a perceived "alpha", someone who is rich, good-looking and successful and will act like submissive dogs to get their favor.

I once talked with someone who was at a small early fundraiser in 1991-92, and Bill disappeared...he was seated with a bunch of older women in the next room chatting. Bill Clinton LIKES women, and not just for the reason you think. He genuinely likes people - all people - and it shows. That's a very attractive trait.

Saw him once when he was very young—he was just elected governor. I can attest he has tremendous charisma. No one I’ve met in my lifetime compares.

I met him at a small reception in '94. I was impressed with how tall he was. I knew he was tall, but he was even taller than I expected. He has a very friendly face. Nothing sten. He is warm, he has a "genuine" smile and he looks directly at people making them feel like they have his attention.. All of this is real, not fake. I have met a lot of famous people and he is genuinely a people person. He is a natural politician. Some of those guys, you can tell they really do not like the job. He loves it. He loves to talk policy, yes. But he also likes to ask questions and listen to the answers.

A female friend of my father’s can attest to his intense charisma. She said that he makes you feel like you’re the only person in the world when he’s speaking to you, & possesses an almost supernatural charm. While beguiled by him, she said she has no respect for him & thinks he’s an absolute pig for the way he treats women (which was ironic, given that my dad is the same way, serial philanderer but also an egomaniac).

Who is more charismatic, Bill or Barack?

JFK had the same overwhelming charisma. When he entered a room he was in color and everyone else was B & W. Oleg Cassini ( as hetero as they get) said of Kennedy " I use to think I was in love with Jackie, looking back I see I was really in love with Jack". Aristophanes said "a great leader should " cast a spell". Starr Power. Perhaps Jack passed his mojo to Bill.

^^ Well he certainly passed me on to him.

I know a person who was fell head over heels in love with Bill Clinton after meeting him at a funding event. And then she died.

Charisma is one of things that is hard to explain, but you know it when you see it. It’s impossible to quantify. Bill Clinton definitely has it. Princess Diana had it. There are a lot of people who think they have it, but they are wannabes.

R25, Obama is a charismatic speaker in front of a crowd, he's less successful one on one. I'm willing to wager Obama is average one on one. One of his big failures as president is that he didn't personally connect with congressional members of his own party, he avoided it as if it was arduous. Bill Clinton thrives on connecting with people as individuals.

[quote]During a 1992 presidential debate, Clinton and George H.W. Bush were asked how the national debt affected them personally -- and the way the two politicians answered provided a whole lot of insight into their personalities.

[quote]While Bush twisted the question to take the focus off himself, before muttering his way through an explanation of how price hikes "affect everyone," Clinton walked over to the woman who asked the question, looked her in the eye, and asked her how the debt affected her. He explained how, as the governor of Arkansas, he'd seen the people in his state suffer, and how much of an impact it had on him.

[quote]”In my state, when people lose their jobs, there's a good chance I'll know them by name," Clinton said.

[quote]As a politician, Clinton understood the difference between talking at people and talking to or with them. The Guardian's Alastair Campbell called Clinton "the greatest political communicator I ever saw." Paying attention was, and still is, his secret weapon -- look no further than the debate video above for evidence

*[italic]this isn’t about the question, it’s about how he addressed the woman who asked it[/italic]

Quoted text at R31 is from this article

R31, after that question, and the party where Bush looked at his watch, I know Clinton would win the election.

[quote]I have met a lot of famous people and (Clinton) is genuinely a people person. He is a natural politician. Some of those guys, you can tell they really do not like the job. He loves it.

In today's world "loving" politics is looked at as a detriment. A candidate has to hate politics and hate the office he's running for. Combine that with inexperience on every level.

R33, that’s an interesting perspective. I don’t think a Clinton type politician could win today. Or could he/she? It’s an interesting debate.

Clinton was exactly like JFK. Charming, charismatic, who gave you his complete, undivided attention. Of course, the second he realized you have nothing more to offer him, he turned away and you ceased to exist. But for those few moments, he was mezmorizing and memorable.

r12 - Normally I would not take your kind of post seriously. Your words like "mystical power" and "power" when describing meeting Bill Clinton are exactly what happened to me many many years ago when meeting the former Prime Minister of Canada - the late Pierre Trudeau. It was around 1986 or so, I was working for a politician in Toronto and Mr. Trudeau happened to visit the building that day to hold a press conference. So, I merrily wandered down the corridors with my office colleague to see this important person.

Mr. Trudeau was holding a press conference in a small press room, which was jam packed with reporters and curious on lookers from other politicians offices. So, sneaking into the press room was out of the question. So we cleverly situated ourselves outside the press room hoping that he would walk past us. And he did! There we were standing there minding our own business, necks craned to see where he was, when all of a sudden, an enormous and steady 'flash' of lightbulbs preceded Mr. Trudeau as he made his way right to us. I was incredulous.

It was only 4 or 8 seconds, max but his presence, I still cannot describe it properly, his presence was magnetic. The only way I can describe it is it felt like being "high", some kind of energy or power as you described it, was almost overwhelming. Mr. Trudeau stopped and spoke to us, and my colleague pulled out a dollar bill to get his autograph and the Prime Minister jokingly said "Do you know this is legal tender" or something like that. Just a funny charming thing to say and we just stood there mute. He was off in seconds again, a huge crowd amassing around him as he made his way through the throngs of people.

I walked back to my office and I distinctly remember this odd feeling I had, like some kind of power or energy or high was still there. I felt it and knew it would not last. I know this sounds utterly crazy but I had to post this - as your post reminded me of my own very odd, but very memorable personal experience meeting someone famous.

r12 - r36 again. I just read the last sentence in your posting. Also, like you, I have never felt that again, since that day in 1986. Not once. Very very strange experience I must say.

Thought he was the best President in my lifetime. The Monica scandal was unfortunate, but I always felt like this was something that should have been handled between him, HRCand Monica. I did not like HRC after Donna Brazil’s gave her questions that were to be asked at one of the debates.

March 8, 1992:

[quote]Addicted to card games of hearts, golf and crossword puzzles, a whiz on the tenor sax, Clinton has the look and loosey-goosey enthusiasm of a high school jock perched somewhere between eternal youth and paunchy middle age. But he also has the natural ease of a born politician -- touching, hugging, making eye contact so deep that recipients sometimes seem mesmerized. Tabloid rumors aside, Clinton embodies the parallels between the seductions of politics and the seductions of sex. As one Clinton watcher said recently: "It's not that Clinton seduces women. It's that he seduces everyone."

[...]

[quote]when Clinton was in his early teens -- a moment that would change his life forever. His stepfather, Roger Clinton, was a quiet, amiable man by day; at night, the bourbon turned him so violent and abusive that he once fired a gun in the house. After one particularly ugly incident, Bill Clinton took his mother and younger half brother by the hand and issued a warning to his stepfather: "You will never hit either of them again. If you want them, you'll have to go through me." It was the stepfather who blinked, and though his drinking continued, the violence at home ended.

[...]

[quote]Only a fool would try to tie too neat a ribbon around the conflicting elements that shaped Bill Clinton. He's the son of a father he never knew -- an outgoing, charismatic personality who died in an auto accident four months before he was born -- but was doted on from Day 1 by a strong-willed, quick-witted mother.

[quote]Clinton says that because of the recurring melodrama at home, he turned "40 at 14." A friend of Clinton's, also the child of an alcoholic parent, contends that children of drinkers fall into three groups: healers, hiders and jokers. Shaped both by the chaos at home and an aching sense of mortality from his father's early death, Bill Clinton became a healer. "He was my best friend," says his half brother, Roger Jr., now a 35-year-old singer and songwriter in Los Angeles. "He was my brother. He was my father. He was my protector."

[quote]That healing instinct comes to the fore not only in Clinton's private life but also in his public life -- in the way he works a room like a preacher, lacing his campaign speeches with personal stories of distress and pain. It also shows up in his compulsive need to please, to bring people together at some hazily defined, accommodating center -- as if he were still re-enacting in politics the role he played at home.

[quote]"I can feel other people's pain a lot more than some people can," Clinton says. "I think that's important for a politician. I think you literally have to be able to sit in the quiet of a room and accurately imagine what life must be like for people growing up on mean streets, people living their lives behind bars, people about to face death's door."

Sadly "charisma" is in the eye of the voter.

Met him many times. The first time I met with President Clinton was in early 1993 and you really did feel this powerful aura coming from him and you truly felt like you were the only person in the world. Remember, it was a new era for us gay activists following Regan and Bush. Clinton remains a great ally. I never got the same feeling the times I met President Obama.

If only Ken Starr and other asshole Republicans were as interested in getting to the bottom of the attempted murder of the vice-president and speaker of the house as they were about a blow job........

I believe you all, too many have said for it not to be true. However it doesn't square with how he ended up with the schlep, Hilary. She's probably smarter than him, but is also not his equal in many ways. I don't think she likes people, for instance.

R34, I that ANYONE would even consider hiring someone who hates the job and field they're interviewing for is an immediate fail in any other profession.

The ole whoremonger ain't got nuthin on me!

Charisma can prove fatal.

Hillary is sort of his opposite. She appears incredibly studious and focused, and isn’t charismatic at all—this is coming from someone who likes her and voted for her. She’s very capable and very, very bright, and is a great foil for him.

Im sure this will be flamed to no end but I had the same reaction to Mayor Pete.

I met him when he was in his second term. He has a totally electric presence. I was really surprised at what an effect he had in person. I always thought he was ugly in the photos and films I'd seen of him but in person he was terribly attractive.

I immediately understood that he had never chased skirt, women had chased him and he relented. He truly was Elvis. I figured the women attacking him had been rebuffed.

[quote]I did not like HRC after Donna Brazil’s gave her questions that were to be asked at one of the debates.

Dearest, R38, the one you should not like is Donna Brazil, not HRC, if that story is even slightly true. It was one of Trump's complaints.

R43, are you the Linda McCartney hater too?

[quote] Hillary is sort of his opposite.

Hillary is great when she connects with an interviewer. Watch her documentary for proof. But in public, she comes off as frigid and cold. I do think she would have made a great president but she was a horrible candidate.

^ that's like a person who does a bad job interview, but performs the job admirably. Better than the other way around.

Bill had charisma and a personality larger than life. He would have been a great actor.

I'm thinking Joe Biden if you were to meet him in person would be like of like Bill Clinton. Not a great a presence maybe but I think Joe Biden has this kind of oozy charisma, he is also very tall, very well dressed, and has this eye to eye contact, deep penetrating thoughts, and glances that would or could energize a person. Maybe not true but just a guess here. If you look at photos of Biden looking at his late son, Beau he seems to be able to "subdue" you with great empathy, great interest, great focus.

Link to photo of Biden and late son Beau.

^^^^ would be kind of like Clinton, meant to say.

Hilary isn’t cold. That’s something that people repeat over and over and it’s just not true.

She is serious.

There is a difference.

R48 Chasten, give it a rest. I met Pete at a fundraiser in 2019 and he's short, unattractive and robotic. His permanent smirk is off-putting. He had zero interest in anybody he met who didn't have major moneybags to donate to his campaign.

I met Joe Biden years ago during Obama's first run. Biden's the typical political hack: hail fellow well met bullshit. Transparently insincere, mediocre and phony. I was so disappointed when Obama picked Biden as his running mate instead of Hillary and was even more disappointed when the DNC inflicted Biden on us as the candidate.

classic

Well, that kind of confirms my suspicions about Biden, r58. But I do think that below that mediocre fake sincerity is this incredibly as I referred to oozy charisma - Biden is not any great intellectual giant but just this lazy, effortless, superficial charisma that could still have an impact on a stranger when meeting him for the first time. But what do I know.....

R60 he's one of those cloying sentimental Irish pols who was weaned on backroom deals.

R58 That Fran L. Woman from NYC with the frizzy black hair and glasses said Biden is a political hack too. But that she was also glad he's the current president and that Trump is gone.

R55, Joe Biden has a lot of charm, and I voted for him. But PLEASE do not for an instant compare granddaddy friendliness with the charisma that Bill Clinton had, they're not in the same league.

I'm reminded of when, during the primaries, Joe Biden got called out for touching, fondling, offering unwanted kisses to women and children. I am happy Biden took the criticism and STOPPED the behavior. I have no doubt his very creepy behavior was innocent, but Andrew Cuomo used the same "I'm affectionate" excuse when he was charged with molesting women at work.

Who dosen't want a Cuomo Brothers Dick deep inside them?

R62, FRAN LEBOWITZ hates all politicians, she hates every president and every mayor of New York. I don't take much from any of her criticisms of Biden or anyone else except that sometimes she can twist it into a joke, such as appropriating an old one to fit Pete Buttigieg - He's mayor of a city with only 100,000 people in it? He couldn't be president of my co-op board!

Whatever she's said in public, Lebowitz voted for Biden in 2020.

50) HRC should have come forward about the Brazil’s situation. She would have scored major in showing integrity.

Lebowitz also despises Bernie

R66, NO. That would be bringing attention to a non-story. Why are you so focused on it? It's the answers to the questions that's the hard part.

Newt Gingrich was made Speaker of the House in 1995. Despite losing majorities in the Senate and House, Clinton was able to get significant legislation passed because of his charisma. Apparently, Gingrich was bewitched by Clinton as well, into making compromises the far right hack would never have made otherwise. Conservatives said later that they stopped leaving Gingrich alone with Clinton because of the things Clinton was able to make him give up so that legislation could move forward..

Gingrich is obsessed with drowning things. Got knows what he gets up to in private.

He probably makes his witch wife hold living things under water so he can climax.

Didn't someone on DL once recount meeting Bill in the last ten years and his charisma had faded? He/she said it came across smarmy and over the top.

Don't recall that, R71. Bill Clinton hasn't the strength to be "over the top" lately, or within that last 15 years.

Bill's been very frail since his major heart surgery - a reason I don't believe the claims he was banging underage hookers with Epstein.

Gingrich was obsessed with Clinton. Once Clinton refused to give Gingrich a seat on Air Force One when he was flying - I think to a funeral. Gingrich threw an absolute hissy fit about it.

You have to remember Bill was a Democrat who got elected Governor of Arkansas twice. He had to get a lot of redneck votes to do that. He's a charmer.

Bill will charm the pants right off ya and he has. Oy!

^ Been there done that

R12 I lived at 15th and Q in the 90s, near Foundry Methodist and saw the Clintons leave one day. I’ve never been attracted to him but I couldn’t take my eyes off him. I was across the street and it was like his energy while chatting with the minister grabbed me from a distance. It’s a real thing and it’s rare.

I met him when I worked for the party, circa 2006. I told him I prayed for him every night when he was our president and he genuinely responded. I met him again in 2008 when I drove a van in his motorcade. Seemed to be a great guy.

I always remember when he went to Oxford to get an honorary degree. The first person he went to see was the University College porter who had been working there since Clinton was a student. The porter recalled how friendly Clinton was, they would have long chats and Clinton would regularly send him letters. Clinton's goal then was to become Governor of Arkansas and the porter had teased him about becoming the King of a country with only 3 men and a dog who lived there.

What does Bill do all day? Bill and Hillary to be honest? What do former presidents & first ladies do all day and how do they spend their time?

I've always been curious about that. I wonder if Hillary Laura Michelle and Rosalyn are all on a group chat? Do they ever check in on each other or anything?

How the hell do these people spend their days!

I wonder about the Obamas. This is the problem when you become President too young - life is long after that.

The Obama's will probably be just like the Carters. Around for decades to come, long after leaving the white house.

At least they'll have secret service federal state protection for the rest of their lives.

Must be nice!

Lately it seems to me, the Obama's are caught up in the celebrity circuit. I know they want to raise money for their library, but honestly they spend a lot of tie putting deals together, building their brand, etc. Bill and Chelsea work very had on behalf of the Clinton Foundation. Hillary is also involved, but she is doing or very recently completed a residency in Scotland at some University, she has been busy with a lot of political stuff and even privately hired a plane and helped with the evacuation of refugees from Afghanistan, especially women and girls. She wrote a mystery thriller, and she's still working all the issues that are dear to her.

Charismatic, maybe. I've heard similar things. But still unfortunately representative of his times.

His skin makes me cry.

Physically I never thought of him as attractive. It's his intellect. He and Hillary are in the top elite when it comes to 'The Thinkers'.

Bill is also an excellent speaker, bit of a combination of raconteur and philosopher.

Ugh. His dick bends.

R85 = missing point

Bill Clinton came out of a dirt-poor, uneducated background, going to public schools in dismal Arkansas. The fact that he managed to go to Georgetown, Yale Law and Oxford is 100% due to his smarts. They don't give affirmative action to poor whites.

Didn't Family Guy make an episode about this? He even persuaded Peter to have sex with him.

[quote] Who is more charismatic, Bill or Barack?

Bill.

R90 = Hillary.

When I worked for the party in 2006, Senator Barack Obama came to speak at ASU. We literally could not give away seats to see him at a small restaurant between ASU and the park where he would be speaking afterwards. No big donors were interested. We eventually gathered 30 or so tribe members to hear him speak. He was alone and more interested in his phone than anything else. I didn't bother him; 5,000 ASU students were waiting at the park.

[quote]Who is more charismatic, Bill or Barack?

Definitely Bill, Michelle had way more charisma than Obama, Joe Biden has charisma too and one of the things I like about him a lot is that he is shrewd!

Biden is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. Not just book smart, but politically, He's a much better negotiator than people realize, and in another life, Biden would have been an ace courtroom strategist.

Joe has had is hands on the levers of power for 50 years. He knows how to work them.

Bill showed his brilliance when, like Miranda Priestly, he chose "the smart, fat girl". Like everyone else, she was undoubtedly taken initially with his charisma and she was willing to do anything for him. He knew to talk up her intelligence and treat her as his intellectual equal. And she succumbed to his charms. I doubt she would have gotten into politics if it weren't for Bill. She would have been in the C-suite of some Fortune 500.

I met him on multiple occasions when he was establishing his offices in Harlem after he left office. As soon as he puts his left hand on right shoulder and leans in while he's speaking to you, it's fairly certain he will get you to agree with whatever it is he's talking to you about.

I met Obama while he was running for the presidency. As a straight man, he has no problem staring you directly in the eye. And he holds that stare for longer than most men are comfortable with. (And no, he's not the least bit gay.) Unlike Bill, he's not doing it to be charming / disarming. It's more of a "don't fuck with me" thing. While Bill is extremely social and loves to chat with people, Obama is all business.

A friend's mother received some honor at a White House ceremony with President Clinton. She said he was "very sexy,' which was not at all the kind of language my friend's mom would normally use.

Fucking Repugs fucked up the country’s chance to have national healthcare insurance in the mid ‘90s, joining other civilized nations.

True story, I had a physician mentor with whom I did some clinical hours during my DNP training in the years just before he retired. He also happened to be pretty active member of physician lobbyist group which was antagonistic towards universal healthcare insurance.

Anyway, my mentor (a staunch Bush the Sr. type Republican) got the chance to meet the major players involved in the fight for national health insurance, including Bill, Newt, and others. He told me that despite opposing Bill/ Hillary’s insurance legislation, he begrudgingly admitted “say what you will about the Clintons, the one issue close to their heart that they absolutely had mutual passion for, were children’s issues particularly healthcare coverage for children.

Repugs even tried to kill SCHIP, which was the only piece of legislation to survive the push for universal healthcare coverage. But as my mentor said, no one wanted to be painted by the Clintons as being against poor children in need of health insurance. Bill and Hillary deserve credit for trying and failing at universal health insurance, and Hillary deserved praise for not giving a fuck and pushing SCHIP through.

I saw Bill Clinton speak, post-presidency at a Democrat (get out the vote) fundraiser. It was a pretty big venue, but I was laughing and crying. He's a great public speaker and I did shake his hand afterwards.

I wasn't expecting very much. I had free tickets.

I remember back when he was Governor and started making a name for himself on the national stage. All the news shows were talking about how he was by far the most attractive man in politics. My first thought was, ARE THESE PEOPLE BLIND?!!!

Personally I have never found one centimeter of Bill Clinton that I thought was sexy.

[quote]...the Clintons, the one issue close to their heart that they absolutely had mutual passion for, were children’s issues particularly healthcare coverage for children.

It's called The Children's Health Act, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 2000. That was Hillary's deal, wouldn't have happened without her work.

R100, that's exactly what I said as a kid in 1962 when my (female) teachers were falling all over themselves because Kennedy was "sooooo attractive."

God forbid, r101, that we could have had a president with a maternal instinct.

[quote]The fact that he managed to go to Georgetown, Yale Law and Oxford is 100% due to his smarts. They don't give affirmative action to poor whites.

Affirmative action (for minorities anyway) didn’t even [italic][bold]exist[/italic][/bold] when Clinton started at Georgetown. And at any rate, it would be DECADES before it affected any white male’s college (and especially graduate school) admission.

R104 "President Lyndon B. Johnson issued Executive Order 11246 which required government employers to "hire without regard to race, religion and national origin" and "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, color, religion, sex or national origin." This naturally spread quickly to liberal colleges. Both Obamas have stated affirmative action played a role in their acceptance to Ivy League colleges and Harvard Law.

Did you have a point? Bill Clinton started college in 1964. The Obamas attended college in the 80s. Kindly post a link to their statements.

I've also heard of his radiating glow the moment he steps into a gathering. He was a supernova.

I’ve been to many Democratic fundraisers.

Meet and greets.

1. Jimmy Carter 2. Bill Clinton 3. Barack Obama

All incredible. All very very interesting and intelligent. They all were the radiating Sun and the rest of us were small planets circling. You were absolutely drawn to them. Magnetic. I saw them in there prime and so handsome.

When he was elected many women had sex dreams about Bill.

One of them was Maureen Dowd. THE reason she nurses her hatred for the Clintons is because of her unrequited Bill crush from 1992.

I despise Maureen Dowd. ....and her NYT Trump Whisperer fellow traveler, Maggie Haberman who has no more scoops now that Donnie is out of the White House.

R102 You're a blind lesbian.

I think JFK was attractive especially after Eisenhower, and in 1960, he was chauvinistic enough not to fully appreciate that Jackie was also a star in her own right. But together they were amazing. Not even Barack and Michelle had that kind of magic and I love the Obamas. I follow the JFK Library on Instagram and they often post photos of JFK and Jackie and recently they had a spectacular video of Jackie horseback riding...and jumping, and she was an accomplished horsewoman. One of my favorites of the two of them together, was on their trip to Texas. Not talking about the pink suit. I'm talking about the day before, when she had a black beret on with a white two piece dress with a black belt. They were stunning together and as fine as he was, and he was an elegant man, they were well matched.

I’ve met him. He’s very charming and loves conversation. I didn’t think he was particularly sexy

^ him = Bill Clinton

R113, that was my experience too.

Bill Clinton has the honour of being the first man who ever stirred that instant 'I would do absolutely anything this man told me to do' reaction in me. Didn't think he was anything much in still photos and ofc because I was so young he seemed incredibly old, but watching the news with my parents one night and video footage was shown and oh...oh my god. Let's just say I felt for poor Monica, knowing I would have allowed far worse.

[quote](JFK) was chauvinistic enough not to fully appreciate that Jackie was also a star in her own right.

Are you crazy? Kennedy not only appreciated it, he exploited it.

R117 he absolutely did, and he tried to use the kids too, but Jackie wouldn’t let him. He did sneak some photographers in when she wasn’t around.

The kids were all over photos with Jackie's permission, R118. You're thinking of the Halloween costume pics in the oval office, which have been made into a big deal post facto.

American politicians do not pick wallflower spouses. It's very much a family game. Unlike where I live where politicians' family are considered private citizens.

I've met him (when campaigning in 1992) and absolutely didn't see this magical charm and appeal that people speak of. Instead he seemed in person as unctuous and cheesy as he seemed at a distance. His empathy and listening skills and interest in others seemed as sincere as a mama's boy with a Bible in his hand flattering a rich relative.

[quote] His empathy and listening skills and interest in others seemed as sincere as a mama's boy with a Bible in his hand flattering a rich relative.

He's a politician afterall

“after all”, R122.

R112 JFK absolutely appreciated Jackie. He begged her to come to Texas with him. Has a excited as a teenager when she said yes. He had her model all the outfits she was going to wear during the trip. JFK picked out her pink suit for Dallas. He said " I want you to show those Texas girls what good taste is." His aides told him more people had come to see Jackie then him. In his last speech before Dallas he joked " When I was in France I said I'm the man who accompanied Jacqueline Kennedy to Paris. I'm getting the same sensation here in Texas. No one wonders about what Lyndon and I wear." Jack Kennedy had spent time in Hollywood. He new a STAH when he saw one.

One of my favorite outfits. The outfit is understated but the hat is next level. I love the total look.

Do you wear one like it, R125?

No, I don't play dress up anymore.

Bill was the best president post WWII.

Bill was good domestically, but his foreign policy messes were bad. Rwandan genocide and Kosovo happened on his watch. There were other fuck ups too. But domestically, he was damned good. Although he didn't have that one centerpiece of legislation as a legacy. Well, NAFTA...oh, wait...

R129 tell that to Kosovars - Bill Clinton's a hero to them. Had he not intervened, the Serbs would have annihilated them.

Looking back on it the 1990s were halcyon days compared to this complete shit show we live in now.

What happens on a president's "watch" is usually years, sometimes decades, in the making.

Exactly, R132. Jimmy Carter is blamed for Iran but it was Kissinger and Nixon who were the architects of that debacle.

And Trump and Pompeo who delivered Afghanistan. They were criminally irresponsible.

Something truly fascinating. I just learned Jimmy Carter - who was tarred with the brush of being a peanut farmer by the GOP but was actually a nuclear physicist - was the person who stopped the first nuclear meltdown in Ottawa in 1952.

R135, EVERYONE referred to Jimmy Carter as a peanut farmer because he was a peanut farmer. It wasn't a GOP smear.

R136 it was definitely a way to diminish him. Maybe it didn't start out that way, but that is how it was meant. He was definitely unwelcome by the Georgetown set. He was responsible for the Camp David Accords too, between Egypt and Israel, which at that time was a major foreign policy coup. He also had Russia's number and played hardball with them...which is why he was fucked over for so long. Read Jonathan Alter's recent biography of Carter.

Niuclear engineer. There is a difference.

Carter, a trained nuclear engineer who had worked under famed Admiral Hyman Rickover, the father of the Navy's nuclear program on the atomic submarine "Sea Wolf," was asked to lead a team for the clean up operation.

The Historical Society of Ottawa said that as part of the clean up plan, the reactor had to be shut down, disassembled and replaced, with the team also needing to clean any spilled radioactive material.

The intensity of the radiation meant that Carter and each member of his team could only spend about ninety seconds at the core location. Before the operation, which involved being lowered into the core, an exact replica of the reactor was built on a nearby tennis court, where Carter and his men practiced cleaning and repairing it.

"We all went out on the tennis court, and they had an exact duplicate of the reactor on the tennis court. We would run out there with our wrenches and we'd check off so many bolts and nuts and they'd put them back on," Carter told Canadian journalist and author Arthur Milnes.

"And finally when we went down into the reactor itself, which was extremely radioactive, then we would dash in there as quickly as we could and take off as many bolts as we could, the same bolts we had just been practicing on. Each time our men managed to remove a bolt or fitting from the core, the equivalent piece was removed on the mock-up."

"When a Canadian 'heavy water' nuclear power plant at Chalk River was destroyed by accident in 1952 by a reactor meltdown and subsequent hydrogen explosions, my crew were volunteered by Rickover to assist with the disassembly so it could be replaced.

"The reactor core was below ground level and surrounded by intense radioactivity. Even with protective clothing, each of us would absorb the maximum permissible dose with just ninety seconds of exposure, so we had to make optimum use of this limited time. The limit on radiation absorption in the early 1950s was approximately one thousand times higher than it is sixty years later."

Carter said that his urine was still testing as radioactive six months after the clean up operation, and that it affected his health for the rest of his life.

The rebuilt NRX reactor was back in service within two years of the meltdown, before it was permanently shut down in March 1993.

Thank you R139 and all your posts before. Jimmy's wikipedia supports his work in Naval nuclear operations. He did study as an engineer.

And somehow Jimmy Carter was a shitty president who made the Regan presidency possible.

The Media exploited the hostage crisis every single day, and so did the Republicans. And a lot of people were really pissed off when he boycotted the Olympics over Afghanistan.