Ghislaine Maxwell's trial starts tomorrow

Comey's daughter has his 6 piece luggage set under her eyes. Strong genes.

Jizz Lane, you in danger girl!!

Maxwell's repeated requests for bail have been denied due to the belief that her wealth and international connections make her a flight risk.

"'The risks are simply too great,' the jurist said at a hearing, noting that Maxwell had shown an 'extraordinary capacity to evade detection' prior to her bust."

You couldn't pay me to serve on this jury. How many of them will have "accidents?"

R4 Spectacular product placement, Bai.

Comey's daughter is thick in the deep state. The fix is already in. Maxwell will be found not guilty.

R6 for fuck's sake. she will almost certainly be found guilty 🙄

The defense is expected to portray Maxwell as a victim.

"Jill Steinberg, a former assistant U.S. attorney and Justice Department official who handled cases of child exploitation, said the trial will be a test of how jurors weigh evidence involving sexual abuse in the 'Me Too' era.

'There is more of an awareness of victimization and why people become victims,' said Steinberg, who is now in private practice.

She said a defense strategy that hinges on maligning the minor victims or portraying them as consenting to the sexual activities in exchange for money may backfire.

'The fact is that they are minors and it doesn’t matter whether they consented or not,' she said."

R7 I haven't read a word about what they're doing to protect the jury.

If she is found guilty, I think her sentence will be heavy. Epstein is dead and the judge may feel pressured to make her the fall guy, sentence-wise.

My recollection from more than a year ago is that Maxwell was accused of raping several girls without Epstein, in addition to grooming them.

Maxwell was a fixture at the trailer parks, shopping malls, and public schools where poor young teen Floridians hung out.

She convinced them that they only had to massage her employer's back and that they'd never have to do anything which made them feel uncomfortable. Manipulator on steroids.

This cunt will die in prison, as she should.

She'll play the victim and say he manipulated her into doing everything. Always blame the dead one.

I hope she goes free. Such BS all this.

Maxwell will go free or get a light sentence. The fact she's being allowed to testify (while Epstein mysteriously died) shows that nothing earth-shattering will be stated in this trial. I've read pieces of her depositions over this year and half she's been in jail, she outright denies everything on record.

There's also not much media coverage - as this is a federal trial and there won't be witnesses allowed in the courtroom.

Thanks for your input Mr. Trump R15.

The Deep State? What is this, Fox News?

[quote] The fact she's being allowed to testify …

As a criminal defendant, she has a right to testify, or to remain silent.

We are infested with right wing trolls. They don't even bother to hide it anymore.

Will there be pics of Shitler's chapped li'l toadstool pee pee????

She could have some bombshell testimony about Clinton!

She'll be killed if she talks about Trump. Like her former employer.

Every bit as guilty as her master and she knows it- hell, there are videos and dozens of depositions from their victims. She’s a very sick woman.

Guess who?

[quote]Tomorrow the Ghislaine Maxwell trial begins.

[quote]Get ready for a higher-than-usual amount of leftist panic and misguided outrage.

Women standing up for molesting girls! How conservative.

Hope she spills her guts and still never gets out of jail. She deserves to rot in there for a few decades before she rots in hell for eternity. She can look forward to Jeffrey being there to welcome her with open arms.

Interesting tweet at R25 from Hoe-bert, considering she has MULTIPLE restraining orders out against her and her trash husband has been arrested for shoving his undersized meat in kids faces.

She'll never see the light of day again, and she'll be found dead in her cell before she's sentenced.

Aww, she inherited her father's eye bags. How precious!

Somebody important will have her killed

R17 more like clinton you mean !

Friends since 1987.

Right wing media sounds a lot like some of the posts in this thread (including the OP who misstates that the lead prosecutor is James Comey's daughter, and not _a_ lead prosecutor like the article says).

Very conspiratorial but they can't seem to agree on what exactly. Either she will get off completely or she will be sent to jail but they just know it will be for nefarious reasons whatever the verdict.

Lots of Russian/other foreign ops playing both sides of this one.

The judge on the case, Alison Nathan, is a lesbian. Which means this trial will be conducted very efficiently.

R35 He's a grown ass man with a sexual fetish and mental health problems. What's his actual name? I couldn't find it online.

I wish her well!

[quote] Comey's daughter has his 6 piece luggage set under her eyes. Strong genes.

That was my first and only thought when I first saw this thread; I’m glad the same observation was Reply 1 because it’s exactly what I would have written had I gotten here sooner.

Never forget…

Thanks, R39. Only MAGA pretend he isn't a rapist and a pedophile.

[quotes] Comey's daughter is thick in the deep state.

The Q people would be shocked to see that the prosecutors on this case spend their free time grocery shopping and tooling around in minivans, not holding top secret meetings in pizza parlors or at the Obamas’ house.

[quote] The judge on the case, Alison Nathan, is a lesbian. Which means this trial will be conducted very efficiently.

I don't know about that. I know a lesbian judge and she is not efficient (as a judge). She's too scared to make a mistake (yet she blusters), so she takes forever to make a decision.

R42 It's a dude.

The judge just banned press and spectators from the trial.

I agree with R27. I hope she spills her guts about Clinton and Prince Andrew and many others we don't yet know. Claim to be a groomed victim who hurt others and use all the MENS names who took part and were happy customers and longtime social friends. Bring the wall down with you. I also expect her to spend the next 20 years in prison. Win/Win. Kill off the Clintons and the Royal family, shade the power players of Hollywood and CNN panels and then park herself SAFELY in jail. They can't afford another "suicide" and there won't be one. Slightly more ethical people are in charge now.

She's worse than a madam or a whore or a dominatrix. She is an international sex trafficker and lord knows what else. Throw a benevolent 20 year sentence at her. First let her speak. Sexual corruption runs much of our world. The prosecutors open the door and her lawyers can ask her ALL the names.

She's not an international trafficker FFS. Plus that Virginia woman who started all this is not being called to testify because her story doesn't hold up.

Well if an unnamed "friend' of Jizz Lane says she's innocent from a link from the right wing The Daily Mail it must be true!

There are no pedophiles in the Republican party that pay young girls for sex. Now let me show you the nude pix on my phone I took of the girl I banged last night to my Republican colleagues on the floor of The House of Representatives.

If I recall, the Little Black Book has an extensive list of clients from both political parties.

Pedophiles have no party affiliation R48. And you better get used to that before you start calling people "Boris."

Plenty of high up Dems and journos and actors partake of the offerings of men like Epstein. He apparently was almost childlike in his presentation. No lascivious talk or offerings. Just wealth and access to his slaves. Ghislaine was the procurer and the charm. She's fucking filth. And so are her patrons and jet riders.

Has nothing to do with a political party. Except that Epstein was in with all the high "class" democrats. Ha.

Right

Is Comey's daughter competent or is this a nepotism thing?

The party of Reagan

Conservatism at it's finest.

R52 She prosecuted Natalie Edwards and got a conviction, at least. Scarce information about her online.

Bill Clinton and Queen Liz are done. Quite a few others.

Like the one who fucks his own daughter?

R56 Bill Gates, Stephen Colbert (allegedly)

Sit on daddy's lap.

Trump will probably be mentioned too. Fucking underage girls is not partisan. Or political.

But the most shocking revelations will be about famous men other than Trump, obviously.

Dynasties will hopefully fall. As they should. Hypocrites are worse than liars.

The Little Black Book won't be making an appearance.

^surprised to find out it's an actual physical book.

Yeah, she better not mention me, I got fixers to take care of squealers.

I expect nobody will be named during this trial.

If nobody is named - she will be getting out in less than 3 years. Time served.

[quote] ^surprised to find out it's an actual physical book.

Actually, makes sense that it's a physical (little black) book with paper pages. He probably started compiling names decades ago, when people had Rolodexes and paper books like that. He probably never transferred everything to computer because he knew it could get hacked into, subpoenaed (cloud), etc.

If such a black book still exists, this is great leverage for Miss Maxwell. But they are determined to make a show of a fair trial after the murder of Epstein, so I still think that Clinton and Prince Andrew and Dershowitz will go down. Maybe Gates and some others, allegedly.

But not me, never me.

I wonder if she's getting legal advice from Alan Dershowitz, who is alleged to have flown to the rape island with Epstein more than once.

Bill Clinton took 26 DOCUMENTED flights on Epstein's plane. Five of them without his secret service detail. Dershowitz was another frequent flier, but no one beats our Bill.

Because Bill did an international AIDS Tour and Epstein provided the private jet.

Actually, I'm guessing that many people beat Bill Clinton. He's just the most famous name. By the way, r70, as r71 mentioned (but you did not): there are no flight logs that document Bill Clinton -- the only former U.S. president named the logs -- as landing at Jeffrey Epstein's Caribbean island. Yes, an Epstein victim did tell this to Lead Stories editor-in-chief Alan Duke - in January 2015 - and other news outlets reported it. But flight logs that show Clinton flew 26 times on Epstein's plane -- mostly during a highly-publicized AIDS education tour in Africa -- do NOT document him landing on the island.

I have a pretty bridge for sale R71. In Brooklyn. You interested?

She looks very lesbionic to me. Did she had male partners throughout her life?

Nothing suspicious about the Epstein/Clinton friendship at all.

This picture of Trump kissing Epstein is fake! But don't worry, it's OK, it was really a shot of him forcing kisses on his 13 year old daughter. Nothing suspicious about putting your 13 year old daughter in a head lock. You know, for her head.

Trump and Epstein partied together for over 20 years, which included girls "many of them on the younger side" as Trump mentioned himself multiple times. What a friendship!

I hope Ghislaine wears something fabulous to court.

"I hope Ghislaine wears something fabulous to court. "

But, of course, darling...

[quote] The Deep State? What is this, Fox News?

Yes, it's all conspiracy theories.

The two cameras in Epstein's cell just happened to stop working that night. The two guards just happened to fall asleep that night. His roommate just happened to be removed the day before. Epstein just happened to be able to strangle himself with a bedsheet tied to his top bunk while kneeling. The prison physician just happened to fail to order photographs of the scene as is standard procedure in an inmate death. His body just happened to be moved to the morgue before outside authorities were called, in violation of usual procedures.

It's all a conspiracy theory. There is no deep state which protects itself.

The very fact the people like Boebert are defending her is solid proof the QAnon nonsense was designed to protect Repug pedos.

The fact that press and spectators are banned from the courtroom belies the claim that they "intend to make a spectacle" of this.

The thing that's funny about this is that both Trump and Clinton are alleged to have been friends with Epstein at one time. So the conspiracy nuts on the right wing's heads might explode. They want to make it all about Clinton but there's more photos of Epstein with Trump. Whether or not that means they were both having sex with underaged women, who knows.

Super rich people like Epstein, who had access to very important people, would have hobknobbed with a lot of them because they all know each other and move in similar circles. Doesn't mean they were all having sex with underaged women, though.

It's a complex situation which will likely be more nuanced than anyone can handle.

R35 Well Ghislaine is a lesbian pedophile rapist and trafficker!

Clinton never went to the island.

Trump bragged about partying with very young girls.

R83 C'mon now, he's obviously a man. This gaslighting is pathetic.

R83 Ghislaine is a lesbian? Is she out or are you just assuming? Lesbians are usually big feminists so it's especially weird if she is one when she pimped out women and girls to be abused.

R86 She's accused of having sex with many of the girls, so she's at least bisexual. You linked to a post that was pretending the judge, "Alison Nathan," is a lesbian.

"Lesbian."

"Alison" is a "lesbian." She was in the Quill and Dagger society at Cornell, which doesn't allow women... a pioneer!

r68 that is some creepy footage of two super creepy guys obviously talking lasciviously about women. Yuck.

We all know Alison is a lesbian, it's obvious. I was asking about Ghislaine.

R91 OH MY FUCKING GOD IT'S A MAN.

Ghislaine definitely could be, she obviously had a bearding relationship with Epstein in the 90s. It depends on whether she was actually sleeping with the men she's dated/ married.

This judge is too fug to preside!

Agreed.

[quote] Clinton never went to the island.

OK R84, or should I say Bubba?

[quote]It's a complex situation which will likely be more nuanced than anyone can handle

This is what I've tried to get across. I never met or knew those two women in that famous picture of me smiling and hugging someone I never met, because I was in fact having pizza at the time. Too many people just can't handle nuance like I can.

If Clinton is proved to have fucked underage girls he will be disowned by the the left. If Trump is proved to have done the same, his followers will twist themselves into pretzels to deny it.

No, R97, his followers will be 100% okay with it because they fuck underage girls too, mostly various nieces, daughters and cousins.

If its proven both Trump and Bill Clinton are kiddie fuckers, the media will report on Clinton ONLY. Forever and ever. And somehow blame Hilary. Trump would never be held accountable by anyone even though he'd be as bad/worse.

[quote]If Trump is proved to have done the same, his followers will twist themselves into pretzels to deny it.

When this happens, Trump will double the price of his rally tickets. Each venue will sell out in double quick time.

The excuse for no bail is bullshit. They could use an ankle bracelet. Has she ever failed to appear for a court date in the past?

They could make this excuse for anyone who has money or means and that is not constitutionally sufficient to deny pretrial release. If she had wanted to flee she would never have stayed in the US.

[quote]If Clinton is proved to have fucked underage girls he will be disowned by the the left.

The Clintons are neoliberals who were never popular with "the left."

R101, here's some info about this foul cunt for you!

"On 27 December 2019, Reuters reported that Maxwell was among those under FBI investigation for facilitating Epstein. After his arrest, Maxwell was in hiding, communicating with the courts only through her lawyers who, as of 30 January 2020, had refused to accept on her behalf service of three lawsuits against her. The New York Times reported that by 2016, Maxwell was no longer being photographed at events. By 2017, her lawyers claimed before a judge that they did not know her address; they further stated that she was in London but they did not believe she had a permanent residence.

Maxwell has a history of being unreachable during legal proceedings. During the lawsuit filed in 2017 from Ransome against Maxwell, District Judge John G. Koeltl granted a motion for "alternative service" on the grounds that the plaintiff's efforts to reach Maxwell were persistently thwarted; these included hiring a private investigation firm that attempted service at three physical addresses, sending information to several email addresses, and reaching out to the lawyers actively representing Maxwell in another lawsuit who refused to become a "general agent of process" to relay the information to her.

According to court documents from a lawsuit filed by Epstein against Bradley Edwards (a representative for several of his accusers), in 2010 Maxwell had agreed to provide a deposition in the case but reportedly left the country one day before Edwards was scheduled to fly to New York to take her deposition, "claiming she needed to return to the United Kingdom be with her deathly ill mother" with no intention of returning to the United States. However, Maxwell returned within a month to attend Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

In January 2020, it was reported that Maxwell had refused to allow her lawyers to be served with several lawsuits in which she has been directly named in 2019 and 2020, including one by Farmer and from Araoz. While Maxwell's lawyers continued to argue on her behalf against the release of additional court documents from the Giuffre v. Maxwell lawsuit, they claimed to not know where she is or to have permission to accept the recent lawsuits filed against her.

Authorities in the United States Virgin Islands (USVI) were unsuccessful in locating Maxwell during the three and a half months they were seeking to serve her with a subpoena."

So, do you think that on the basis of the above, this fucking smear of maggoty shit might be a flight risk? Because I do, and so does my cat, my shirt and the chair I'm sitting on.

R103, NO.

None of that is relevant to a CRIMINAL proceeding in which a defendant is held in jail BEFORE trial. You know when she is still innocent. Pretrial release is subject to court orders and the government has cited no violations of court orders. As I pointed out, if you could read and register thought through your very biased and unprincipled eyes, there are effective means to ensure a defendant appears for a criminal court proceeding.

The comparison of civil procedure, of which none of the above cited actions are against the law, is just the federal government stretching to justify this outrageous detention.

One is never obligated to accept service of process in a civil matter. A witness is never obligated to make themselves available for a subpoena. The fact you have not served someone on the basis that you cannot find someone - which I doubt was ever really true - is not grounds for denial of pretrial release in a criminal matter.

Clintons and Trump, you better run, girls!

R97 it has already been proven that Clinton raped Juanita Broderick, yet crickets from the DNC.

And Trump is accused of raping 25 women. And those are just the ones brave enough to come forward, including his ex-wife, who then took it back after she was threatened.

R104, you doubt they could find her? On what basis? They were just kind of kidding? They knew where she was all along but were too busy catching up on Game of Thrones? The Good Lord done tole you

The cunt was hiding.

If she makes bail she will hide again.

It's what roaches do.

I want to know more about the judge. Wikipedia says "she", though I must say she looks like a man. Not mannish; a man. Can anyone here clear it up, please.

[quote] you doubt they could find her? On what basis? They were just kind of kidding?

After 32 years of dealing with them I know how they obfuscate when they want to. I know how they try to manipulate judges. I know how they find ways to lie in plain sight.

Oh we tried, Your Honor. Really we did. LOL!

You just go on like a simpleton believing everything the government feeds you especially when they are trying to win a case. I know better.

R110...so "they" didn't want to find her...but "they" want to keep her without bail...yeah...this seems consistent.

"We don't care if we catch her, but no bail if we do!" Is it some sort of weird version of tag?

Now if you're telling me Trump didn't want to find her and Biden wants to keep her without bail, that I could see.

But that's not the way you're framing this.

For someone who purports expertise in this mega-mysterious world of international warrant-and-bail, you do a shitty job of explaining it.

IMO, none of this stuff about Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, and Trump are going to come out during the trial.

I'm guessing that GM will not testify.

I do believe that Bill Clinton, Andrew, and Trump did partake of Epstein's wares. But I don't think it will come out during this particular trial.

R112 Very much agree. This trial is specifically charging Jizz for procuring underage girls for Epstein (who is DEAD, cannot say whatever piece he might have) - and I don't think she's stupid enough to open the can of worms that comes with dropping names that have never been explictly legally connected with her and Epstein. Everyone knows Clinton, Trump, etc had dealings with them, but it's not been brought up in the courts.

Precisely.

[quote]it has already been proven that Clinton raped Juanita Broderick, yet crickets from the DNC.

Link, r106?

There's some lunatic speaking into a bullhorn in front of the Court House. Dragons, Epstein, Bill. DRAGONS. John Legend is Satanic LMAO.

Dragons and Epstein and Bill...

I hope she testifies and wears a huge dramatic hat while doing so.

Maxwell looks like a cross between Christiane Amanpour and Michelle Forbes.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote]I hope she testifies and wears a huge dramatic hat while doing so.

And pulls back the veil to reveal a hideous scar.

Why do the Nazis think we give a shit about Clinton?

We don’t worship our politicians like you assholes do. We expect our politicians to work, not just put on a show so they can grift.

Here's a fairly good review of todays proceedings. I didn't know the accusers have been paid monies from a fund or that they had signed a confidentiality agreement to do so.

R123, I heard she exposed her lady parts on the stand and than masutrbated.

[quote] I didn't know the accusers have been paid monies from a fund or that they had signed a confidentiality agreement to do so.

Pension plan for hookers. Quite enlightened

Doesn't matter if they took money or signed NDAs. As we have learned from other high profile criminal cases, NDAs don't/can't act as a shield against prosecution of serious crimes.

Which other high profile cases?

FYI There's a trial thread.

Do people really think that if you pay someone and make them sign an NDA, that means they can’t tell anyone when you rape them?

Thank you, r128.

[qoute] What did Juanita Broderick say?

Here is is

[quote] Which other high profile cases?

From Wikipedia, googled for your convenience:

[quote] An NDA creates a confidential relationship between the parties, typically to protect any type of confidential and proprietary information or trade secrets. As such, an NDA protects non-public business information. Like all contracts, they cannot be enforced if the contracted activities are illegal.

I don't think that Ghislaine is a lesbian. I think she raped girls with Epstein watched for his pleasure, not hers.

Straight guys are obsessed with two women having sex.

Women are infallible.

Some rapists Presidents of the United States who are from America can get away with anything.

Did she turn up married? Much like Elizabeth Holmes?

[R134], inflatable too, from what I've heard (NOT seen!).

[quote] Women are infallible.

[quote]—Datalounge

Usually you trolls accuse us of being misogynistic.

That is very definitely a troll. The misogynist troll.

[quote] There's some lunatic speaking into a bullhorn in front of the Court House. Dragons, Epstein, Bill. DRAGONS. John Legend is Satanic LMAO.

You are the company you keep

Trump voters constitute a very wide range of views from strong Libertarians to Moderates leaning Liberal on certain issues.

Plenty would prefer DeSantis who is viewed as generally free of sexual scandals and pedo behavior. Don't know of the FL Governor has ever hung out with scumbags like Epstein.

What's united Trump voters is a pro-business climate, especially for small business owners. Also a pro-2A as many live in rural areas and smaller towns where a gun is seen as a necessity when LE may be 20 minutes away.

Yes the majority of Trump voters believe in God and are probably disappointed he's not a regular church goer.

Plenty are military or have relatives and close friends that are former military. This alone makes some attend Trump rallies even if they are opposed to his at times questionable moral.s

That said, I think Val Demmings would have made a far better POTUS than Trump or Biden for her moral character and innate intelligence and common sense alone.

[quote] Do people really think that if you pay someone and make them sign an NDA, that means they can’t tell anyone when you rape them?

[quote] Like all contracts, they cannot be enforced if the contracted activities are illegal.

Yes and No. This is America. You can say whatever you want. The part about speaking out can't be enforced, But these NDAs are legally binding contracts created by lawyers who aren't stupid. Even in cases where activities are illegal. There are penalties/fines that can start Immediately for those who break the NDA. If a person has received money in exchange for signing the NDA, they have to pay the money back. If the NDA is from an employer, the person can be fired. Lawyers make sure to put some type of harsh penalty that creates terrific hardship for the person who breaks an NDA

Judges are allowed to require someone to break an NDA and testify in court. The person isn't liable for the fines/repayment of settlement money. The judge did that in the Cosby case.

Tiger Woods mistress signed an NDA that she would never speak about their affair. A few years later she did mention it on a tv show. She didn't spill anything bad, but he forced her to repay $10 million bucks

donald trump had his first two wives sign NDAs. When Marla hinted he was a bad person during his election run for 2016, he released a statement reminding her she had signed an NDA and she'd have to pay it back IMMEDIATELY. She NEVER mentioned him again. I don't think she ever spoke to the press again, about anything

R142 Are you sure Ivana signed one? She speaks about him, their marriage, and family a lot and has written books. It might just be because the two of them seem to be on good terms.

I think this trial is proof that neither the Trumps nor the Clintons have as much power as their supporters imagine. If they did this trial would've never happened. Because we are assured of weeks of headlines linking them to her and Epstein.

[quote]rump voters constitute a very wide range of views from strong Libertarians to Moderates leaning Liberal on certain issues.

LOL good luck with that fake narrative. Trump has Republicans. And all the Libertarians which are like Republicans who just want to smoke pot. But no way are any amount of Liberals with Trump on any issue. Trump was never a big tent kind of guy. He never won the popular vote, and his approval rating never made it over 50%.

[quote] Even in cases where activities are illegal. There are penalties/fines that can start Immediately for those who break the NDA.

What about the word unenforceable do you not understand? You cannot enforce any penalties or fines or sue to rescind payments. If you fired anyone for whistle blowing in violation of an NDA then YOU could get sued by the person breaking the NDA.

Okay maybe you can get an enforcer to kneecap but you cannot get a court to enforce it.

What did Trump like about pedo island most? Poolside or bedside?

Golden showers.

"Trump voters constitute a very wide range of views from strong Libertarians to Moderates leaning Liberal on certain issues."

[quote] What about the word unenforceable do you not understand? You cannot enforce any penalties or fines or sue to rescind payments. If you fired anyone for whistle blowing in violation of an NDA then YOU could get sued by the person breaking the NDA.

Some people take money in exchange for not having someone arrested. That's the crime victim's option to do that. They willingly took the money and agreed to sign an NDA. Plenty of women at fox news still can't speak out about what happened to them because of the NDAs they signed in exchange for money

You cannot enforce a contract that calls for illegal activity such as obstruction of justice or perjury. You cannot enforce a contract that requires you to remain silent about a crime.

Other kinds of conduct are different. Not all sexual harassment is a crime.

She’s a lesbian rapist and procurer of little girls. I have no interest in seeing the pig in any kind of hat.

Is Sarah Kellen going to get away with it? From what I've gathered she did pretty much what Ghislaine was doing re: sex trafficking.

Alot of us are getting away with it.

Sham trial.

R154 Yeah, I still can't help but think that this trial is a show to satisfy the public - I imagine that Ghislaine's public image is too far gone now not to - and that the real story is about those alleged blackmail tapes. What happened to them? Who did they involve and what were they used to get. And nobody has been able to explain Epstein's money, still.

The "damning" evidence presented so far is a big so what.

Ghislaine Maxwell’s ‘degrading’ list of staff rules revealed in court

“Unless otherwise instructed, NEVER disclose Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell’s activities or whereabouts to anyone,” the rulebook warned. “Do not be bullied … simply be firm.”

Staff also had to “advise Ms. Maxwell of any strange telephone calls or enquiries” — as well as of “any unusual behavior, such as strangers lurking around the vicinity of the property.”

Epstein’s cars were never allowed to have less than three-quarters of a tank of gas, and always had to have at least $100 inside.

“Remember that you see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing, except to answer a question directed at you,” it warned on the first page of orders.

The rules detailed a slew of instructions for each room, especially the master bedroom, which had to be kept at 60 degrees and have “JE and GM telephone directories” near the phone. A separate bedroom was not listed for Maxwell, though she had her own bathroom.

Staff should ensure that they had a “polite ‘aim to please’ approach,” with a ban on discussing their “personal problems” and a rule to “be cautious of noise levels and noise.”

“Unobtrusive is the key,” it stressed.

“Do not eat or drink in front of Mr. Epstein, Ms. Maxwell and their guests,” stressed the rules, which also forbade chewing gum and allowing cellphones to ring while dealing with the couple or their guests. The house phone “should be answered in three rings or less,” the book warned.

“You do not expound on the weather or any other subject” when entering bedrooms, the guide warned.

Staff had a list of common words and phrases that were banned, including “yeah,” “sure,” “gotcha,” “you bet,” “I dunno” and even “no problem.”

They were instead told to say the likes of “with pleasure” and “You are quite right” — and if criticized, reply, “It was completely my fault; I will make the changes immediately.”

Staff had a strict uniform of blue pants and white golf shirts, replaced with long-sleeve white shirts “for dinner service.”

“Items in pockets must not create a bulge or be visible,” the rulebook dictated, while staff should also “avoid using strong perfume or aftershave lotion.”

The book included lengthy lists of groceries and high-end products the couple always expected to have at the ready, including 32 toiletries that Maxwell demanded for her personal bathroom, where toilet paper had to be folded in a “V.”

They expected 26 types of drink — including wine, champagne, beer and spirits — and Epstein’s morning coffee had to include “creamer filled with Half & Half, warmed in the microwave for 25 seconds.”

At meals, staff should “always serve from the left, and clear from the right.”

JE and GM telephone directories were left in numerous parts of the mansion, as were headed notepads and cards, with Maxwell’s including “Lady Ghislaine” notepads, the name her late dad gave the yacht off of which he died in 1991.

There was a list of 13 daily cleaning tasks, 23 weekly ones and others for monthly and even each April and October, including to “rotate seasonal clothing.”

Staff also had to take turns on “standby duty,” where “you should not travel more than one hour from your home base.

“This means that if you are called, the maximum time it will take you to return, is one hour,” the handbook said, warning, “You could be called upon at any time, day or night.”

Despite the strict rules, staffers were told, “SMILE!”

Did the list say “don’t say anything about the little girls”??

Effectively yes, but obviously they were not going to spell it out directly:

[quote]“Remember that you see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing, except to answer a question directed at you,” it warned on the first page of orders.

Please. Who are these rubes thinking that is anything but a normal list for household staff. There's nothing unusual or incriminating about it.

R159 snigger.. 'Normal'. Yeah, even Ghislaine's lawyers claim that she got a "countess" to write it. And note that Ghislaine's side did not want this to be presented to the jury..

R160, they didn't want it presented to the jury cause it makes them look like snobs who treat their staff like everyone else treats their staff. It actually seems kind of irrelevant since it doesn't actually touch on anything out of the ordinary. No household staff is supposed to repeat anything they see or hear. Wanna bet Angelina Jolie and Tom Hanks have the same shit in their NDAs?

R161 on what planet are Angelina Jolie and Tom Hanks examples of 'normal'? These people are wealthy beyond most people and therefore have a lot more implicit power.

R162, exactly. It's a normal "wealthy beyond most people" list of dos and don'ts for staff. It's not pertinent to sex trafficking.

The fact that wealthy people - or any employer - have a lot more implicit power is a given for anyone in those positions - not limited to sex traffickers. Your boss at 7/11 has a lot of implicit power. Irrelevant without more specific explanation and argument.

R163 No, the 7/11 boss does not have the same kind of implicit power, I'm sorry, it's totally not comparable to an actual billionaire. Numerous people have given anecdotes about both Epstein and Maxwell threatening them too.

Your boss at 7/11 better not read here or you'll lose your job - at Christmas no less. So sad.

We're talking about the list, not threats. Don't bring up an issue then serve away from it to defend your statement.

Was there a 7/11 on Orgy Island?

They forgot to add:

Go to Summer Camps where children are away from home for the first time and are easily manipulated.

The younger the better. !4 year olds are the best, but anyone under 17 will do.

Tell them they will just give massages. When you get turned on, force their little hands to your crotch.

Be sure to position them on your face while you jack off.

Be sure to have hundreds of dollars on hand to pay them off if they talk back.

After you start them off with sexual massages, quickly move on to hardcore bondage and let your guests tie them up and rape them.

Have Trump's phone numbers on hand for easy contact when young girls become available.

Be sure to hold your "friends" close with blackmail, an easy choice to keep them quiet.

Don't see or say anything. Squealers will die in prison by "suicide".

Don't forget to smile.

[quote] It actually seems kind of irrelevant since it doesn't actually touch on anything out of the ordinary. No household staff is supposed to repeat anything they see or hear. Wanna bet Angelina Jolie and Tom Hanks have the same shit in their NDAs?

The people on the jury don't know what goes on in other rich households. That's not being mentioned because it's not relevant to this trial. You may want to shift the focus onto other people, but at the end of the day, this trial is about the deviant crimes committed by ghislaine maxwell and the lengths she went to in order to try and cover up her crimes.

Maybe because the only rich people with staff that I’ve met were more old school, I don’t remember their staff being treated like this.

Martha Stewart to play Maxwell in the movie. Surprising resemblance. And no acting required for the prison scenes.

Yeah, not sure what the point of the household staff rules handbook was. I do think other wealthy people have a bunch of rules for their staff, similar to this.

R171 Like bringing in the massage table. Cheap shots by the prosecution, and not very professional. That they're stooping to this sort of evidence hints that they lack strong evidence linking her to what Epstein was doing behind closed doors.

Yeah, that massage table looked corny as hell. If Ghislaine is guilty of sexually assaulting and pimping out 14-year-old girls, then I hope she's convicted. If the prosecutor has the evidence to prove it.

I wish her well.

[quote] Cheap shots by the prosecution, and not very professional. That they're stooping to this sort of evidence hints that they lack strong evidence linking her to what Epstein was doing behind closed doors.

Or may hint they are taking a dive to protect those who might be implicated

R175 I wouldn't expect Federal prosecutors to willingly take a dive in such a prominent case. It would not help their later careers in private practice.

If anything untoward is going on, it'd more likely be critical evidence not being made available by whoever controls it.

Despite the massive severity of her crimes I fear she's going to get off lightly. It's difficult to prove anything when so few people are willing come forward, and it's a "she said" vs "she said" situation.

[quote] I wouldn't expect Federal prosecutors to willingly take a dive in such a prominent case.

Than you have a short memory

But we don't really know if they took a dive or simply let the Harvard prof and friends browbeat them. I didn't say Federal prosecutors were great lawyers. Just that they wouldn't intentionally throw a case.

[quote] Go to Summer Camps where children are away from home for the first time and are easily manipulated

How did they get away with that?

Random people couldn’t just roll into Summer Camps even in the 90s.

Your answer R180. Horrifying.

[quote]You couldn't pay me to serve on this jury.

You'd be lucky to have a spouse who surprised you with Christmas vacation tickets so you can get out of it.

Will the trial be televised?

The trial has already started. And cameras are not permitted in Federal courts.

I knew someone who worked for a billionaire’s wife. He told me some gossip about her health which he knew because of his job. If I was rich, I certainly wouldn’t want anyone to share any personal info like that. I’d fire anyone who did that.

Why are ‘t there more victims testifying at the trial? So many young girls involved but only 4 testifying?

R181 shades of Jimmy Saville there. Horrifying.

I think some of the Willis daughters attended Interlochen.

R187 They did.

My sister was there from 2001-03. She never mentioned Epstein, but said that the place is rife with drugs, wild sex and eating disorders.

[quote]shades of Jimmy Saville there. Horrifying.

Parents are so stupid for thinking anyone, especially a super rich person wants to hang out with their kids

[quote] especially a super rich person wants to hang out with their kids

Let's not be hasty.

R189, I know a family who allows their young son to spend a lot of time with a man who’s kind of a business mentor to the kid. Not sure how much of it is *alone* with the man, but I find it a little weird. It could be absolutely innocent, but I keep wondering why. The kid’s father is wealthy already, probably more so than the “mentor”, so it’s not about trying to get something from him. Maybe I read too many news stories.

Ghislaine Maxwell is seriously twisted.

Also, whatever consenting adults did on Epstein’s Island is fine by me. Underage and non-consent is BAD, though.

And the "girl" that is sueing prince andrew, procured lots and lots of girls for jeffery, she has dirty hands.

Why would she get off lightly? She not only procured young girls, she also had sex with them and Epstein. I hope she gets 50 years.

R194 Because it has to be demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt using admissable evidence. That's not so easy.

Look at the latest witness, whose testimony the judge has ruled can only be used for very limited purposes because she was of legal age at the time.

The prosecution needs slam-dunk witnesses, not ones subject to evidentiary restrictions.

[quote] Parents are so stupid for thinking anyone, especially a super rich person wants to hang out with their kids

yep

R195 I would also add, all the evidence that mentions Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, etc... might lead jurors to ask why she is the only one seemingly facing the consequences.

It’s enough that they can identify her and describe what happened to them, including all the times they explained it over the years. Why are people cutting her any slack? She is a predator.

From shitty right-wing Newsweek? That's a stretch. R196

R197 Yes, introducing titillating evidence that does nothing but distract from the core legal issue.

R198 Nobody's cutting her slack. We're just explaining that the prosecution seems to be presenting an unfocused case and that's not a winning approach. The law is what it is.

Sounds like you are in love with her.

[quote]And the "girl" that is sueing prince andrew, procured lots and lots of girls for jeffery, she has dirty hands.

She was a kid and not so strangely, her dad worked for donald trump. He worked at Mar a Lardo

R181, Thanks for the truthful info. Why would anyone think tying up an underage teen and raping them, albeit in a luxurious mansion, would be acceptable behavior? What other kinky sexual practices were done to them?

Shame on whomever adults participated.

R199 Newsweek is right-wing? I've always considered it boringly centrist.

Newsweek got bought. It's now a clown show.

[quote] I would also add, all the evidence that mentions Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, etc... might lead jurors to ask why she is the only one seemingly facing the consequences.

But none of the women are saying that clinton or trump raped them. None have even said they met either of them. Epstein's pilot said they flew on his plane. He didn't see them with any girls.

The women are saying that ghislaine either raped them, trafficked them or introduced them to epstein

ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 12/03 **8**

The government offered the madam/procurer a plea deal after day three of the trial. They know things are going bad. Is this when we get another unexplained death.

Ghislaine Maxwell

R206 Which is one reason that information shouldn't have been presented, at least not by the prosecution. It muddies the water and distracts from what they are trying to prove. This is especially true in this case which involves crimes that have been discussed openly in the media for a decade or more. This isn't a case where you could reasonably expect to seat a jury with zero knowledge of the case.

R207 That blind doesn't ring true - if anything, people are saying that the trial is going badly for the prosecution. Nothing new is being learnt. CDAN is such a fraud and fake who makes up dozens of blinds every week.

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No woman connected to Epstein ever said they they had sex with Clinton. None. Maxwell/Epstein were DESPERATE to get something on him but couldn't. Clinton used Epstein for his airplane and he's known Maxwell since college, he knew exactly who he was dealing with and wasn't about to fall for their tricks. That's why Epstein put up the insulting painting in his house as revenge. IMO

Trump raped a 13 yo and Maxwell, Virginia Roberts were both witnesses. Palm Beach Police investigated and Alex Acosta buried it. Virginia Roberts has NEVER been asked about this publicly, I wonder why? Not.

Miami Herald reporter Julie Brown spoke to 80 victims, many who were 13/14 when they were first recruited. The Palm Beach PD interviewed 200 witnesses. Lack of evidence is not the problem.

On this website, there's a link to a PDF document (indictment) of what her actual charges are. The actual charges start on page 10 of the document.

It's in federal court due to crossing of state lines. Seems like the age of the girls doesn't matter, just as long as they're under 18. (Some states have a lower age of consent for sex (e.g., 16).) The prosecutor has to prove sexual "abuse" by Epstein and the Maxwell knew about it and helped.

I am not familiar with federal law and don't know exactly what sexual "abuse" would mean, as far as proving it in court to a jury.

R33 in fairness and truth, he dumped jeffery big time in the late 90s or early2000

I doubt that. R213.

I wish her well.

R211 If Clinton was as smart as you say, he would've avoided them entirely.

Clinton is known for being a pussyhound and Virginia Giuffre did at least say something like that she saw him going off with two women even if she did not have sex with him. It is possible the people who had sex with him haven't spoken up or have been paid off? I'm just speculating because I do find it hard to understand why Clinton was hanging out with Epstein, and even got Ghislaine Maxwell invited to his daughter's wedding.

fun fact: Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, was originally Jan Hoch, a Czech Jew but his mother (wisely, given that most of his family were later killed in Auschwitz) told him to not appear Jewish. He went by du Maurier for a while because that was the name of a brand of cigarettes before being advised to choose a more respectable Scottish surname. Which is how Maxwell came about to be chosen. I do find it hilarious that Ghislaine drank Maxwell House coffee in the US. It's rather vile instant coffee so it's obviously because of the name.

R218 Do you? Do you find it hilarious if she has a spot of Maxwell house?

R219 I don't understand your comment?

After reading this thread, I'm going to make a prediction. Please don't flame me, because it's just instinct. I really think the charges will be dismissed and she'll walk. What does the prosecution have up there sleeve? If they're stumbling this early in the proceedings, I don't know how it bodes well for any conviction to stick.

Oh, the judge will let it go to the jury. But with complex instructions that'll confuse the jurors as much as the prosecution's evidence.

I'll project a hung jury and a second trial. Maybe a conviction on the second round if the prosecution learns from its mistakes and streamlines its case, but I doubt it.

Melenoma was an Epstein whore before she became a Trump whore.

“Mr Epstein introduced you to Donald Trump, correct?” defense lawyer Laura Menninger asked.

“He took you to Mar-a-Lago when you were 14, you claim?” Menninger said, in reference to the former president’s home in Palm Beach, Florida.

“Yes,” Jane said.

“He took you in a dark green car and you met Donald Trump there, correct?”

“Correct.”

No one has accused Clinton of any wrong doing with ADULT women but still, let's keep accusing him of guilt by association in every other post.

Meanwhile a witness from THIS WEEK testifies that Epstein "introduced" her to Trump at age 14= and NO follow up questions from the lawyers OR the media.

Everyone knows that 12yo girls make up stories.

R209, if the government initiates reopening plea negotiations any time leading up to or during the trial then, yes, it tells you they are really worried they won't win. CDAN may be full of shit as it often is but if this is true then any defendant looking at the exposure she is, could be very tempted to take a really favorable plea offer.

Or it could just give the defense more confidence to stick it out. Depends on how much of a gambler Maxwell is. Some defendants are terrified of the uncertainty and need the certainty of a limited and more controllable resolution.

R224, that's why it's so laughable that Trump supporters pretend to give a shit about child predators. They ignore the countless videos and picture of Trump with Epstein and Maxwell to scream about Tom Hanks eating babies. Trump wished Maxwell "well." Imagine if any "liberal" wished that despicable woman well. I don't doubt he raped that 12yo - not for a second. And it has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with a gross pig who has been a gross pig his whole life.

The reaction to predatory behavior is determined by pol. affiliation on the right. His "fans" don't give a shit if he rapes or if he's just a garbage human in every way, because they are as well. Cuomo is gone, Weiner is gone, Franken is gone. All for far less.

Meanwhile, Roy Moore would've become a senator if the white, racist trash Trump supporters were the only votes which counted.

[quote] I'm just speculating because I do find it hard to understand why Clinton was hanging out with Epstein, and even got Ghislaine Maxwell invited to his daughter's wedding.

Here's the thing about rich people, they'll be friendly with any scumbag for a free ride in a private jet or an offer of a free vacation.

Prince charles has associated with scum for free plane rides and free vacations. Most of the royal family has. Doing that was Princess Diana's fatal mistake. Plenty of the rich and famous have done these types of things.

I bet a lot of celebs are worried their names will come out for accepting free plane rides from jeffrey.

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It's JIZZ-LANE!

One of the witnesses, 'Carolyn', testified in court that she saw a photograph of Ghislaine nude and pregnant. There is a photo of Epstein with his hand on Ghislaine's stomach (linked to below) and she does look like she could be pregnant. I wonder what happened to that kid if true.

R228 Didn't Clinton go to Epstein's island though?

R228 if the name hasn’t come out by now, it never will.

Oh my fuck, r231. That is bizarre. Jesus Christ that gives me the willies. I’ve never seen a man do that unless his child was in there.

Ghislaine and Kevin Spacey mocking it up on Buckingham Palace thrones. Wonder what she got on Spacey..

The problem is that Maxwell and Epstein knew a lot of people, through various business deals and even charity events. Not all were "clients", but it does not look good, especially those who we now know are less than, umm, admirable.

Does Dertz still have his job at Harvard? His eyes are so black and I don’t think a more amoral man can exist.

R237 Wikipedia tells me that he's 83 now and taught at Harvard 1964 to 2013.

He did say that Virginia Giuffre " is going to end up in prison" and last I noted, she isn't, so his magic legal touch hasn't worked in this case. (She claims that she was trafficked to Dershowitz for sex at least six times.)

R234, she's an avid skier. In that picture, he's got ski clothes on and she has clothes on. She was so obsessed with him, I can't imagine she'd let him go skiing on his own

Just seen that in a new interview Ghislaine's brother Ian says that, of all the Maxwell siblings, she's the only one who thinks their father was murdered. Ian also says that he thinks that Ghislaine thinks that Epstein was murdered. (I'd venture to suggest that's because she was working as a spy and knows their tactics...)

The prosecution case is getting bad reviews. You have to wonder why this trial seems like a bit of a sham.

She was framed.

[quote] She was framed.

More to the point the government's evidence I've been seeing has been either guilt by association, or so immaterial as to shrug off.

I mentioned earlier above the possibility the feds were taking a dive.

It will end in a hung Ghislaine!

This bitch is a twisted, sinister freak. I can almost understand why the men in this story did what they did.

Her motivation makes no sense to me.

IMO, Ghislaine was in love with Epstein, wanted to please him, and was willing to do whatever it took. He was super-wealthy and she went along for a nice, long ride of private planes, travel, being shown respect, rubbing elbows with the rich and famous (Prince Andrew, Clinton, Trump, etc.). I'm sure cocaine and alcohol were all a part of it.

Would she have initiated scouting schools for girls? No, I don't think so. But it wasn't a deal breaker for her.

R245 There was a great post on Reddit, which got deleted when fraus got mad, that said she's basically the ultimate "pick me woman." She became obsessed with Epstein to a psychotic degree and was pathologically obsessed with pleasing him, no matter who got hurt.

The prosecution should bait this freak, using her feelings for Epstein as leverage.

After seeing the feds deliberately blow prosecutions of the Bundys and some of their followers - so blatantly that at least one judge called them out on it - I've become resigned to the fact that there are cases the feds unwillingly prosecute and don't actually want to win. Presumably it's almost always due to pressure, either popular opinion or from people with actual influence.

In this case, popular opinion required them to prosecute, but pressure from the people who really count probably once again required them to do the job as poorly as possible.

I would like to know about her ability to pilot a freakin' submarine. You don't run into her kind every day.

Once Trump is dead the sordid stories will come pouring forth. Right now they're afraid he's going to be President again. And his family won't care because they hate him.

R248 The civil antitrust suit against Microsoft also comes to mind as a we-didn't-really-want-to-win Federal case.

[quote] Once Trump is dead the sordid stories will come pouring forth.

What's a few more when for all these years so many have been pulled out of thin air. MSNBC has numbed the world on the subject.

Who needs MORE sordid stories? The man had an affair at the exact time as his wife was giving birth, he has been accused by 20 women willing to testify in court that he assaulted them, he has cheated hundreds of contractors out of money he owed them for work already performed, he paid a stripper not to tell the truth about him, he and his family have cheated on their taxes for at least 4 decades, he revealed confidential information to foreign spies in the oval office, he incited a riot to try to overturn a valid election......need I go on?

The point is not whether or not the Steele Dossier is valid, it's ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

R248 I followed that case closely and it still makes me angry!

I predict she will be murdered in her cell. They will state Suicide. Big people with big money hate her and she is ready to put their asses, just to save hers.

R255 out their asses, not put their asses. Sorry.

She is a sociopath and a sexual deviant. Epstein the same. They got off on having powerful connections and being rich enough to feed their hebephilic fantasies. Jizzlane obviously loved being a Madame and running a stable of girls who looked up to her. Giuffre was her protege.

When will the cleanup crew make their move

You don't understand. Bill was President. It's not his reputation at stake. It's the reputation of America. And of its people. Deplorable as some of them may be at times.

So what had to be done was and will be done. For the sake of us all.

Ghislaine is a pervert herself. Fuck that “she just wanted to be loved” shit. That’s an excuse for her behavior.

She was pregnant? I hope her baby died and she felt all of it.

[quote] I hope her baby died and she felt all of it.

I guess pro abortion people can't get enough

Annnnnd, the prosecution rests. DL called it. No mention of the rich and famous.

Lying, cheating fuckers!

She will get away with it — remember, we have two system in America, one for the rich, one for the rest of us. Are you okay with that? Won’t you help yourselves? You’ve been sold to the merchant ships from the bottomless pit.

Well, she doesn't have any children now, so something must have gone wrong.

[R263], I had to google what you wrote. I thought I misread it. She's gonna get off, I tell ya. I've stuck my neck out on this earlier upthread, because it's been my gut instinct since she went on the run. Is it because she knows where the bodies are buried?

Yes r266 — all of her info is on powerful powerful people, ergo, no justice.

[quote]She will get away with it

Forget it Jake. It's Chinatown.

[quote]all of her info is on powerful powerful people

So she'll need to sleep with one eye open for the rest of her days. Which may not be over-extended.

[quote] DL called it. No mention of the rich and famous.

James Comey's daughter is co-lead prosecutor.

How cone Epstein was suicided and she wasn't?

come*

The prosecution seems half hearted but there does seem to be enough evidence to get a guilty plea for some of the charges.

Rolling Stone has an article up that explains what the prosecution is trying to do and it's more positive-sounding for the prosecution.

When donald trump was getting all these free plane rides from jeffrey epstein, he actually owned his airline. He didn't need free rides from anyone.

I'm hearing from too many lawyers that the government's case is caca. Too bad it just doesn't interest me that much.

The prosecution team led by James Comry's daughter worked hard to keep it as uninteresting as possible

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Eva Dubin is a witness for the defense. From what I've picked up she was kind of deep in it along with her husband. Virginia Giuffre claims that the Dubins were the first people Epstein sent her to have sex with. And there are claims that Epstein had a photograph of the Dubins' eldest daughter as a child with a nude ass beside his bedroom door. There is also a photo of her as a child on Epstein's lap.

Epstein, allegedly with the eldest Dubin kid:

In 1994, Dubin married Eva Andersson-Dubin and the couple has three children (two daughters and a son). He first saw Eva on the New York Post's Page Six in a modeling photo. The Dubins live in Manhattan and own property in Colorado's Gunnison County as well as in Sweden.

In August 2019, unsealed documents revealed connections between Dubin and Jeffrey Epstein, including allegations of involvement in his sexual abuse ring. Former house manager for the Dubins, Rinaldo Rizzo, described a 2005 encounter at the Dubin's home with a 15-year-old girl employed as a nanny. Rizzo said the girl, who was shaking and crying, told him that she was pressured by Ghislaine Maxwell to have sex with Epstein, with Maxwell taking her passport when she refused. A month into her employ, according to The Daily Beast, the Dubins took the girl with them to Sweden, where she was dropped off at an airport. The unsealed court documents were from a lawsuit filed in 2015 against Maxwell by Virginia Roberts Giuffre who named several individuals as participants in Epstein's sex trafficking scheme that included Glenn Dubin as one of the men with which Epstein and Maxwell forced her to have sex.

In September 2020 the Attorney General of the British Virgin Islands subpoenaed the Dubins as part of their probe into the dealings of Jeffrey Epstein

Glenn Dubin has give big donations to Harvard. Lots and lots of these abusers are involved in Harvard in some way

Daily Beast:

[quote]After Epstein was convicted of soliciting a minor in Palm Beach in 2008 and served 13 months in jail, a stint mostly spent on work release, Dubin and her husband continued to socialize with Epstein and helped to reintroduce him into high society. In 2009, the couple invited Epstein to their home for Thanksgiving, with Eva writing to Epstein’s probation officer: “I am 100% comfortable with Jeffrey Epstein around my children.”

English law says that like America you are not obliged to take the stand in a criminal case. But your refusing to testify CAN be held against you.

Epstein was not a pedophile. He was an ephebophile. He liked young girls post pube. Pedo is pre-pube. I mean, it is still completely gross, but it these are not the same philia. Either way, bad...bad and gross. Even more gross that a woman would pander to this and be involved herself. Either Jizz was a) sexually abused and found this kind of thing "normal", despite international laws to the contrary, or b) she never gave a fuck and thought it was all A-OK, despite international laws to the contrary. Either way, she is a scumbag.

Oh sweet Jesus R281

What a depraved women that eva dubin is

From the NY Times

Eva Andersson-Dubin, who once dated Epstein, is called to testify for Maxwell’s defense.

Eva Andersson-Dubin has long been entangled in the saga of Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier whom she once dated.

A longtime associate and former girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein testified on Friday at Ghislaine Maxwell’s sex-trafficking trial, saying she had never taken part in a group sexual encounter as one of the prosecution witnesses had suggested.

The witness, Eva Andersson-Dubin, is the founder of the Dubin Breast Center at Mount Sinai and is married to Glenn Dubin, a founder of Highbridge Capital Management. She dated Mr. Epstein in the 1980s and remained friendly with him even after he served a stint in jail beginning in 2008. Called as a defense witness, Ms. Andersson-Dubin testified that she had dated Mr. Epstein on and off from about 1983 until 1990 or 1991. After that, she said, the two were regularly in touch. She added that she was comfortable with the relationship between Mr. Epstein and her three children, who referred to him as “Uncle F.” A defense lawyer, Jeffrey Pagliuca asked: “Did you observe any inappropriate conduct between Mr. Epstein and any teenage females?” “I did not,” Ms. Andersson-Dubin replied.

Ms. Andersson-Dubin’s testimony also contradicted an accuser’s account of sexualized group massages involving Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Epstein. That witness, identified in court only as Jane, said that she first been abused by Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Epstein when she was 14 or 15 years old. She said Ms. Maxwell or Mr. Epstein would “sort of summon” people into a massage room or Mr. Epstein’s bedroom, “And it would just, you know, sort of turn into this orgy.”

While cross-examining Jane, the defense asked her who besides Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Epstein had taken part in the group massages, offering names and descriptions. One of those Jane said had participated matched the description of Ms. Andersson-Dubin, though only her first name was cited. “You told the government about a woman named Eva who joined in, correct?” asked a defense lawyer, Laura Menninger. “Correct,” Jane replied.

While questioning Ms. Andersson-Dubin, the defense showed her a picture of Jane. Ms. Andersson-Dubin testified: “I don’t recall ever meeting this person.” Later, Mr. Pagliuca asked: ““Have you ever been in a group sexual encounter with the person we are calling Jane” “Absolutely not,” Ms. Andersson-Dubin replied, also adding that she had never been in a group massage with Jane. On cross-examination, a prosecutor asked Ms. Andersson-Dubin had any memory problems. “It’s very hard for me to remember anything far back and sometimes I can’t remember things from last month My family notices it. I notice it. It’s been an issue.”

Ms. Andersson-Dubin and her family have long been entangled in the Epstein saga. Her husband and a daughter were known to socialize with Mr. Epstein at his homes, and depositions in civil cases have suggested that the Dubins could have been aware of Mr. Epstein’s abuse of underage girls. Ms. Andersson-Dubin’s own relationship with Mr. Epstein began in the 1980s, long before she married Mr. Dubin and became a member of Manhattan’s wealthy elite. She became Mr. Epstein’s girlfriend while putting herself through medical school and, with his encouragement, put modeling aside to focus on her studies.

This evil bitch is a doctor?

Born in Sweden, she earned a high school diploma from Östraboskolan (Ostraboschool) where she graduated first in her class, concentrating in mathematics and physics. After graduating, she pursued a career in modeling and in 1980 was named Miss Sweden and placed fourth runner up in the Miss Universe contest. She attended the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm for three and a half years and then transferred to UCLA's School of Medicine where she earned her MD in 1989.[1] She then completed her residency in internal medicine at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York in 1990.[1]

The Dubins donated approximately $19 million and were involved in raising an additional $24 million so that the center could open in 2011 and have funding to operate.[4] Andersson-Dubin works at the Dubin Breast Center part of the Tisch Cancer Institute at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City.[4] Since opening in 2011 to 2018, the center has processed 180,000 patient visits.[1]

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Sounds like she is responsible for saving thousands of lives.

The name Middelfart makes me laugh. I can't help it.

Well, for all the negativity the prosecution got, it sounds like the defense was piss poor, resting after just two days. They couldn't get a bunch of witnesses and most of their witnesses were people who worked in Epstein's office but crucially admitted that they'd never visited his private residences.

The Guardian:

[quote]In the lift on the way out, I was holding forth to some other reporters, saying that the reason there is no defence is because there is no defence: that is, Ghislaine Maxwell is guilty. Then the lift door opened and her sister Isabel Maxwell got in and we all fell silent.

The closing arguments will start on Monday.

Maxwell claims that her attorneys have cost her about $7m. That is crazy money.

All t hings considered I expect the feds have spent more.

Her brother Ian wants you reprobates to know that her name isn't pronounced 'Jizzlaine' but 'Giilen'. The Maxwell siblings have been busy trying to rehabilitate the family's image which conservative media in the UK have taken the bait on (The Telegraph, The Spectator, Daily Mail) but of course I can't take him seriously when he says nice things about the father and nothing about the money that psychopath stole from people's pensions.

The witnesses of hers wanted to be able to testify anonymously. They didn't want their names to be revealed

She has a separate trial facing two counts of perjury. I looked up what she is alleged to have lied about and one of them is about sex toys! No, really.

[quote]"Maxwell said she could not "recollect" ever having sex toys in her room in Epstein's Florida home. This is one of the statements which prosecutors charged her with perjury over. Former Epstein staff member Juan Alessi claimed in a 2016 affidavit that he would sometimes find sex toys and vibrators in Maxwell's sink at the Florida home."

The other perjury count is about the flight logs catching her out. She claimed that Virginia never visited London with her despite flight records showing that they travelled there together as well as the infamous Prince Andrew picture at Ghislaine's house; that she didn't recall Virginia being on the Lolita plane despite flight logs showing that she was on it with Virginia at least 23 times; and that she only visited Epstein's Palm Beach home once in 2005 despite flight logs showing that she flew there 11 times on his private plane.

[quote] I looked up what she is alleged to have lied about and one of them is about sex toys! No, really.

Define " sex toys ".

Closing arguments - prosecution saying use your common sense, why would Maxwell and Epstein be hanging out with minors, Epstein wouldn't be able to do it without the help of a woman to pacify concerns.

Defense saying that the women made it up to get money, picking out stuff that they remembered wrong.

Prosecution rebuts that while memory is fallible, the main core of traumatic or notable experiences are remembered, and that Maxwell received several millions from Epstein too.

Idk how this will go. It will only take 1 juror holding out right?

[quote]She has a separate trial facing two counts of perjury. I looked up what she is alleged to have lied about and one of them is about sex toys! No, really.

They she had an entire garbage can full of sex toys. These deviants fucked day and night.

R296 Yeah, the government released this new picture from the FBI raid today (see link) so it looks like they ordered sex toys in bulk too!

[quote] it looks like they ordered sex toys in bulk too!

That ain't no crime

One juror holding out gives a hung jury and a potential retrial. To acquit (or convict) the verdict must be unanimous.

I've read that Scott Borgerson, Ghislaine's husband, would tell people that he wanted to be president of the US. Borgerson has never once been seen in court in support. I wonder what he's thinking now. 'Oh F*'?

[quote][R245]She became obsessed with Epstein to a psychotic degree and was pathologically obsessed with pleasing him, no matter who got hurt.

Why? He was nothing special. She was rich, in good shape, conventionally attractive -- she could have had any number of studs who weren't perverts.

Epstein had power and hung out with the top elite.

[quote] she could have had any number of studs who weren't perverts.

When you go perv you never swerve

They were just a couple of crazy kids in love...with actual kids.

Was she dickmatized by the egg shaped penis?

So many memories. So many parties, events, and private meetings with young girls. Year after year. So many good times. You've never seen so many girls. From all walks of life. I had so many. Thank you, Maxie, for all the fun!

I wish you well.

This does have this weird ritualistic feel to it. She is awful and a monster and deserves the long jail sentence I suspect is coming. But it seems like dozens, if not hundreds, of rich, powerful assholes should be going to jail with her. But we're just going to focus on her, and pretend we are this very serious, very moral society that just WILL NOT TOLERATE raping young girls, when so obviously we completely will, when it comes to the actual rapists involved.

"Why? He was nothing special."

It's called being rich

When her father died it came out that he was a fraud who had stolen a lot of money so suddenly she no longer had the mega-rich lifestyle she was accustomed to even though she still had a trust fund of $100,000 a year. Epstein provided her with that in return for her running his household, her social contacts, and providing girls. The prosecution provided evidence that Epstein made payments of $30m to her. That's a lot of money to gift someone you weren't married to (even if he had a net worth of some $500m). It is also clear that they were dating other people while she was still running his household. Transactional relationship. Same with Scott Borgerson who probably thought she would provide him with an in with all her social contacts until that came crashing down with her arrest.

^^Sociopathy runs in families. am sure Jizz learned a few things at her father's knee.

So Epstein was blackmailing people and the girls were just a means to an end? Was he just sampling the goods and making sure the girls could do the job? He was peeping the girls for the marks?

So Prince Andrew and the NM Governor were the marks? What was he blackmailing them for?

Dertz got in on the action. Was he being blackmailed?

Was Epstein a mastermind? Did he catch these guys up in blackmail and then what? He demanded what from Andrew and Bill Richards?

Everyone seems focused on Maxwell but what was this all for?

*prepping

Ghislaine will get to a regular prison soon and be forced to eat old black old lady cunt. And beat. I hope she gets fuckin beat.

R311 I've seen someone speculate that it's like a drug dealer who is hooked on his own supply. But ultimately I think we'll never know whether Epstein was blackmailing powerful people or not. It doesn't help that even the FBI testified to the court that CDs and hard drives in Epstein's safe 'disappeared' before they looked at them.

[quote] even the FBI testified to the court that CDs and hard drives in Epstein's safe 'disappeared' before they looked at them.

Disappeared AND returned while the premises were under FBI guard, with total uncertainty if the discs were the same., 𝐴𝑙𝑚𝑜𝑠𝑡 as though the same people hiding Hunter's ties to international corruption were likewise permitting disappearance of more evidence about Epstein and his social circle.

Very curious

Yes, I don't get how that happens. And the footage from the night Epstein died was 'lost' too. That kind of thing just doesn't help quell the conspiracy theorists.

I'm of two minds about this trial:

1. Maxwell is guilty of contributing to the delinquency of minors. (not human trafficking)

2. Maxwell is getting piled on for Epstein's crimes.

She's going to get hard time while many others who worked for Epstein who acted in the same manner are not even being prosecuted.

It doesn’t make sense that Epstein was a middle man. He was filthy rich. But the timeline makes me think he was using the girls for a larger reason. Not for personal pleasure. That seems incidental.

What was he doing before the Palm beach house. It seems like the girls started there. Had this been something he’d done his whole life?

It makes you wonder whether Lex was a blackmail target or just someone who was duped.

Anyway, he couldn’t have done it without this broad. She is guilty as charged. No question.

Every sinceI read that first article in Vanity fair I just knew this guy was some kind of creep. It’s the eyes.

I wonder why they never tried to settle with the girls. I’m sure they could have paid them off if he was worth that much. Not that the girls wouldn’t want justice but lawyers will usually advise to take the cash if you can in the event there is no conviction.

Did any of the girls say they did it with Clinton?

Maybe he just wanted to get out of the house.

Did the brother keep the money?

Very wealthy people have forever and always been giving rides on their private planes to politicians and others they want to rub shoulders with. That's all it means.

Same with offering vacation places. See Biden Thanksgiving vacation.

I can't wait until someone suggests that the late Brooke Astor who spent her days raising funds for charities in her 90s must have been involved with sex trafficking because Epstein was always at her events and she at his.

R322 The difference here is that the women explicitly say that they were trafficked out to have sex with a number of those people. Giuffre for example named the Dubins, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz, Gov. Bill Richardson, Sen. George Mitchell, and so on. She never claimed to have sex with Bill Clinton so clearly it wasn't everyone. The point is that isn't merely about being at a party or on a plane with someone - there was active sex trafficking going on if you believe the women's claims.

[quote]She's going to get hard time while many others who worked for Epstein who acted in the same manner are not even being prosecuted.

She should have cooperated with the authorities. She wanted to go to trial

She's so damned stupid for not leaving America when epstein got arrested.

I have a weird feeling she is going to be found not guilty. She only had to have someone pay off one juror

I wish her well!

I think it was pure arrogance that she didn't just go to France who doesn't extradite to the US (she has French citizenship). She had tons of time and opportunity to. I wonder if the feds were even hoping that she would but she was so arrogant that she stayed in the US and so then they had to arrest her.

It would have saved the Feds mega bucks if she fled to France [R326]. I wonder it wasn't dropped in her ear and she possessed too much hubris to believe she'd be brought to trial. It seems she spent lots of time giving depositions even before Epstein was jailed. You know, the time he, erm, sort of, killed himself. When the footage in the security cameras disappeared and the guards were on break, or wherever they weren't supposed to be. Instead of like, doing their jobs.

Most "girls" who have been trafficked to such elite characters likely end up dead. I wonder why, if they have such damning stories, were they ever allowed to live?

There are so many things that don't add up. Like why wasn't Virginia Giuffre called to testify? She said in an interview that she was available.

It's reported that Maxwell spoke French with her siblings in court.. I remember thinking that it was probably their first language at home since their mother was French. She was born in France and named Ghislaine Noelle Marion (allegedly as revenge for her father naming her brother Kevin, which is pretty funny, I have to admit - Kevin is a bit of a low class name in the UK).

R328 Some lawyers have said that calling Giuffre and other high profile victims would have been a distraction - that the defence would have loved to pick holes in the various things they've done and said publicly. I do think it's an interesting strategy. Perhaps the prosecution thought that they had enough with the four women they chose.

Where did Epstein's money come from?

Giuffre is not an innocent. She was already prostituting before she met Jizz and Jeff. Calling her as a prosecution witness at this trial would open up opportunity for the defense to pull her story apart. Plenty of other girls testified whose past was not so shady.

In Boston, the Feds just got a jury to convict that Harvard professor who was in bed with China in less than three hours. Impressive. And they did it with narrow charges and evidence that was on point. They could teach their brethren in New York a thing or two.

[quote] Where did Epstein's money come from?

no one knows, but he didn't make it from the stock market. In order to make that much money in the market he would have had to make really, really big trades. And if you make big trades, the other traders hear about it. none have heard about him ever trading

Now you can trade online anonymously, but back when he made his money, he would have had to have a broker. Had he made big trades, his name would have gotten out.

I honestly don't care about these people. Not sure any of these "victims" are really victims.

Did she inherit all that coffee money?

It is absolutely ludicrous that we still don’t know where his money came from, I call bullshit. There is zero way they don’t know the answer to that question.

You would have thought the IRS had a team examining him for the past 20 years.

[quote] You would have thought the IRS had a team examining him for the past 20 years.

We were too busy auditing Trump

My guess is Epstein took billionaires to his island for a good time and then blackmailed them with videos into investing in his company.

R339 But there's the chicken-and-egg problem: he first needed money to set up the rich lifestyle so he could then blackmail.

He stole from and blackmailed Les Wexner for decades. This is how he got the bulk of his money.

I think this is partly why Maria Farmer was not called as a witness. She was the Epstein-Wexner link and as we know all the big players have been protected during this trial

But if he had essentially all the money he needed from skimming off Wexler, why would he have to move on to blackmailing?

Once you've got a few hundred million, there are a lot safer and easier ways to make more money.

His expenses were enormous. I wonder how much of his real estate he owned free and clear.

Somewhere I read he befriended many notables to promote himself as a financial genius so he could become their financial manager. Then he'd steal from them while capturing them on film/tape so nobody would go after him. But it's all speculation The Feds know the story, but it's unlikely they'll ever spill so they can protect the big names .

Ghislaine's party trick

[But it's all speculation The Feds know the story, but it's unlikely they'll ever spill so they can protect the big names .]

Let's all wake up and smell the institutional blackmail. The "Feds" [bold]are[/bold] the story.

[quote]But it's all speculation The Feds know the story, but it's unlikely they'll ever spill so they can protect the big names .

Excuse the quoting error.

R344, I listened to the whole thing. It was really good

I actually can remember when her father died. He had bought the NY Daily News. They discussed him a lot on A Current Affair. donald trump, robert maxwell and other rich scum tried to outdo each other with bigger yachts that they kept in the East River. They were a very trashy family. I was always shocked that after their father stole everyone's pension and the fact that they were such greedy, grasping, social climbing trashy family that someone like prince andrew would be friends with ghislaine.

The queen was a silly, jackass for allowing ghislaine to attend parties at Buckingham and Windsor Castles. And for every picture you see of ghislaine and jeffrey at royal parties, there's probably 5 more that you don't see

R347 And it's been reported that The Queen disliked Robert Maxwell (as did Princess Di), referring to him as 'that ghastly man'. But Andrew was always her favourite son and she is soft on him. To this day she gives him a large income out of her own money - Andrew and his wife are terrible with money, which was one of the reasons he got entangled up with Epstein, who gave Andrew money to pay off debts.

I keep thinking that there has to be an intelligence angle here - while Ghislaine was into hobnobbing with high status people, I get the impression that the more introverted Epstein himself was more into sex.

A friend of Epstein's who was cold called from the 'little black book' said that she once asked Epstein to explain what exactly it was that he did for a living. Epstein allegedly told her to read "The Man from O.R.G.Y." and that it would explain everything.

"The Man from O.R.G.Y." is a Bond spoof. A con man called Steve Victor travels the world under the guise of being a "sex researcher" in order to spy for the US, in short. The title comes from the name of the protagonist's fake research team, the Organization for the Rational Guidance of Youth. By accounts it's full of terrible scenes like "toddler brothels", "graphic details of children and infants being ceremonially raped," a sex slave saying that women enjoy being raped, etc. So it's the main character participating in debauched sex as he rubs shoulders with the rich and powerful to gather their secrets.

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I'll add that I think that Epstein collected intelligence on people so that he could con/steal money - not *necessarily* working for a government altho maybe he did that too. That money funded his endless stream of girls which was what he was really interested in as a sex addict. A JP Morgan banker testified in court that Maxwell was given payments adding up to $30.8m - from all accounts she was the main person who collected girls and high status people for him.

More than one person has said that Epstein's relationship with Wexner was very strange and that Epstein boasted about being able to control Wexner's emotions. Epstein allegedly said that Wexner was a guy with no life but that Epstein would give him a life. He got a ton of money from Wexner which was probably one of his first biggest breaks.

Isabel Maxwell, the sister who has been most loyal, married a con man herself, called Al Seckel tho the marriage was bigamous since he was already married to someone. Seckel befriended scientists and academics, was a general liar, and took money for rare books that he did not provide from them. Isabel declared bankruptcy after he reportedly died in 2015.

Tablet Magazine had an expose about him not long before he died. Mysteriously, as of 2019, the French authorities hadn't officially confirmed Seckel's death.

In any social group there are a percentage that are dangerous, grifting, sociopathic, whackadoodle, deviant or some combination thereof. It's not always possible to see their unsavoury stuff. Personalities are complex. Everyone of a certain age has been fooled by a nasty person at one time or another. And just because someone is a sociopath/asshole/weirdo doesn't mean they don't do "good" things like donate to charity, perform heart surgery or invent green technology. The fact that Maxwell, his daughter Jizz and Epstein swanned around with royalty and glitterati doesn't mean everyone knew they were creeps. Or maybe they tolerated these creeps because they could contribute $$$ or network for worthy causes. Who knows?

I hope Ghislaine remembers what it felt like to have her baby running down her leg.

Frau Von Fraustein

[quote]More than one person has said that Epstein's relationship with Wexner was very strange and that Epstein boasted about being able to control Wexner's emotions. Epstein allegedly said that Wexner was a guy with no life but that Epstein would give him a life. He got a ton of money from Wexner which was probably one of his first biggest breaks.

I remember him too. I never knew about epstein. Lex Wexner was a guy with no life. He was in his 40s and lived with his mother in Columbus, Ohio. Out of the blue he married some attorney (much younger) and they had 4 children. He didn't come off as gay to me, more like just a weird guy. He was super, super close with his mother. Before his marriage, he would bring his mother to charity events

I'm too lazy to go down the rabbit hole, but I'd like to see what the penalties are for each charge against Maxwell. As in, she could be aquitted on all but one charge, but that one charge could send her up the river for a long time.

Someone said she could very easily get 35 years in jail

[quote] "I hope she testifies and wears a huge dramatic hat while doing so."

[quote] "And pulls back the veil to reveal a hideous scar."

I'm sure this is probably in reference to one particular thing that I'm not remembering, but my mind just went from Alexis Carrington's first "Dynasty" appearance, to Jerry Hall (as "Alicia") removing a full mask to reveal her disfigured face in "Batman".

R356:

Count 1: Conspiracy to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts - maximum sentence of five years

Count 2: Enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts (Jane only) - maximum sentence of five years

Count 3: Conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity - maximum sentence of five years

Count 4: Transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity (Jane only) - maximum sentence of 10 years

Count 5: Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors - maximum sentence of five years

Count 6: Sex trafficking of minors (Carolyn only) - maximum sentence of 40 years

NB: federal sentences are served concurrently. I've read that even if she gets found guilty of everything, she may serve 15-18 years, but it's up to the judge of course. If she is found guilty of just the conspiracy charges, that would be up to 5 yrs. Not sure how time already spent in jail matters.

[R359], thank you for posting this. It puts things into a tangible focus now.

Fun fact: 'Jane', the soap actress, was supposed to have her brother testify to corroborate her claims but she texted him that one of Maxwell's lawyers, Laura Menninger, is a 'cunt'. Well, that's what I assume because Menninger said that it 'rhymes with front'.

The prosecution felt forced to disclose this because witnesses are not supposed to contact each other and notified Menninger of this at 3am. Menninger complained (and according to a journalist appeared to be genuinely furious about it), and so the prosecution withdrew the brother as a witness.

So Menninger is definitely NOT a cunt then, since she is so indignant, which no cunts are ever...

@KlasfeldReports

A jury has found Ghislaine Maxwell

Count 1: Guilty

Count 2: Not Guilty

Count 3: Guilty

Count 4: Guilty

Count 5: Guilty

Count 6: Guilty

Bill Bart’s daddy wrote a sci-fi novel about sex slaves, while Epstein was in his employ at a boarding school, in a job he wasn’t qualified for

Here's an excerpt from Virginia's memoir about 'Jane' (I've replaced Jane's real name):

[QUOTE]"(Epstein) then started to tell me the history behind where he got her. Five years ago when she was merely a teenager just turned thirteen. Her father had recently passed away, leaving Jane's mother in a tremendous amount of debt and living in a third world country, she didn't have the means necessary to raise her own daughter. When Ghislaine approached Jane for the first time at a music school, she seemed like a maternal, caring stepmother. Telling Jane's mother if she let Jane go with her, she would see to it personally that Jane receive the best education and chances in life to make it. In her customs it wasn't odd for a young girl to be married off to bring the family good fortune, so she kissed her baby girl good-bye and sent her off to commence her life of servitude. I sat there speechless listening to Jeffrey brag about his endeavor to get her over here, shocked that he could stoop as low as to use a barely teen to oblige his sexual desires. He was laughing and giddy as he replayed the memories of her arrival over in his head, painting me a horrific picture I had no choice but to imitate a smile to face him with."

She also writes about a pretty degrading sexual experience she had with Jane and Jeffrey - they were taken to Sarah Kellen's tiny one bedroom shack which had about five girls Sarah had congregated for Jeffrey to choose from. Despite that Virginia and Jane were told to go with Jeffrey in the bedroom and Jeffrey asked Sarah Kellen for her personal collection of sex toys. Everyone in the next room fell silent and knew what was going on as Epstein had intercourse with Virginia and Jane in tandem, swapping back and forth between them for 15 minutes while they were told to make out and touch each other.

NEW YORK, NY—Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted on 5 counts related to sex crimes committed against minors for over a decade. A few minutes after her conviction, she announced she has landed a brand-new job at CNN.

"We called Maxwell as soon as the verdict was read," said CNN President Jeff Zucker. "Ghislaine has shown us she has exactly what it takes to work here. This has nothing to do with the fact that she's really good at committing sex crimes. We are hiring her for her... um, many other qualifications. Yeah. Qualifications."

Maxwell will replace Wolf Blitzer as an anchor on The Situation Room and will also be placed in charge of the hiring of all new female interns.

"I am humbled to have been given this new opportunity at CNN," said Maxwell, "and I promise to do my best to find the very best girls—er, I mean, news. The very best news. Yeah. That's what I meant."

Ghislaine Maxwell will broadcast the news from her federal prison cell in New York City until her sentence is completed, or until she "kills herself".

^^ too stupid to take breath. .

R366 linked to a right-wing site

Dershowitz already doing damage control

That's hilarious R369. dershowitz is a raper too. He must be so rattled.

Isn't a settlement more about finances? And maybe an agreement that she never discloses what she experienced?

R369 Forget that useless tweet. See first-hand what AD said on the BBC.

Horrible journalism because the BBC simply introduced him as a "constitutional lawyer" without referring at all to his connection with those people. Unbelievable, in fact.

Maybe in the UK, they don't think of Dershowitz as a scumbag, like a lot of people in the US do.

R373 That's beside the point. No ethical journalist anywhere would treat him as a disinterested expert commentator on this case.

True, R374. It's a troll-like move. Either that, or clueless.

It’s a troll move r375 — the British know better.

Her mother Elisabeth seemed a very cultured humane and educated woman.

While Ghislaine did inherit her mother's looks, she unfortunately inherited her father's soul.

Former AUSA's view on sentencing.

(TL;DR He thinks 20-24 years, or if Maxwell's attorneys are successful reducing it, 12-15 years. And time already spent in jail will be taken off - about 1.5 years.)

[quote]Here, the relevant Sentencing Guideline is Section 2G1.3. Based on the five counts of conviction, the number and ages of the victims, and the fact that Epstein and Maxwell used minors to lure other minors into sex-for-pay, I believe that Judge Nathan will find that the applicable guideline range is 235 - 293 months (20 - 24 years). Specifically, I expect that the judge will find that Maxwell has a criminal offense level of 38 and a criminal history category of I. At sentencing, it is likely that Maxwell’s attorneys will try to reduce the sentence by fighting on at least two issues. (1) Does Maxwell deserve a two-point reduction in her offense level because she played a “minor role” in the offense? and (2) Should Maxwell be assessed the two-point upward adjustment for using minors to recruit minors? Even if Judge Nathan rules in favor of Maxwell on both issues (and I believe that she will not (and should not)), Maxwell would still be subject to a presumptive sentence of 151 - 188 months (12 - 15 years). Even with credit for the 15 months that Maxwell has already served, she likely would not emerge from jail before she turned 71 - 74.

I'm certain you guys have learned a lesson from this ::: wink wink ::::

Whoa, looking rough at R379.

He looks worse now, Rose.

I believe Trump publicly wished her well so she wouldn't turn on him. Good move by Trump because she wasn't an outside observer but a full participant in Trump's activities with Epstein.

Dead men tell no tales.

Ain't that the truth

[quote]Maybe in the UK, they don't think of Dershowitz as a scumbag, like a lot of people in the US do

He's not well known in the UK. They put him on like he was an independent legal expert who was weighing in as a neutral party. Instead, he's a co-conspirator of jeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell who raped children who had been trafficked by maxwell

[quote]He's not well known in the UK.

Still, if I know he stated OJ is innocent then others will too. Not a glowing recommendation. Any half-competent journalist knows all about AD's links to Epstein, and in seeking his opinion hope to give him enough rope.

It's because she's a white, rich and educated socialite. If this was the Rotherham men or Rose West, I cannot see the BBC having people on to defend them.. they wouldn't even think of it. But they give Ian Maxwell and Dershowitz a voice because it's an unconscious bias.

R387 I don't think it's unconscious. Any more than any of the BBC's biases.

[quote] if I know he stated OJ is innocent then others will too. Not a glowing recommendation.

And they should.

Not a glowing recommendation for your understanding of law. Or attention span.

R377 Ghislane is the spitting image of her father. She doesn't even look related to her mother. Please invest in some glasses.

It's unfortunate that our legal system doesn't have the option that the Scottish one does, which is to give verdicts of guilty, not guilty and NOT PROVEN. That last is what many trials would end up with here if it were available, and what it says to the world is that a cloud of suspicion remains over the defendant because a lot of evidence was presented against him....just not rising to the level that the jurors could proclaim him guilty. Given that OJ lost subsequent civil trials on the same evidence (where the burden of proof is less) I think that calling him "innocent" is a stretch.

lmao, the NYPost papped Scotty with Cheez-It

Additional mistrial motion filed for juror misconduct. Two jurors withheld pertinent information about themselves and used this to sway other jurors.

𝐌𝐚𝐱𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐕𝐞𝐫𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐭 𝐈𝐬 𝐂𝐥𝐨𝐮𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐀𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐉𝐮𝐫𝐨𝐫’𝐬 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐏𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐒𝐞𝐱𝐮𝐚𝐥 𝐀𝐛𝐮𝐬𝐞

The revelation, which the juror said figured in the deliberations at Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial, led prosecutors to seek an inquiry and the defense to call for a new trial.

Federal prosecutors on Wednesday asked the judge who oversaw Ghislaine Maxwell’s sex-trafficking trial to investigate the process by which one of the jurors was chosen, after he told news outlets he was a sexual abuse victim and had discussed his experience during deliberations.

The prosecutors’ request, in a letter filed with the court, raised the possibility of additional inquiry into how jurors who voted to convict Ms. Maxwell had been selected and the prospect of Ms. Maxwell’s lawyers moving to have a mistrial declared in the closely watched case.

Later on Wednesday, Ms. Maxwell’s lawyers indicated they planned to do just that, saying in two letters to the judge that their client would seek a new trial and that the judge “can and should order” one without holding a hearing, as the government had requested.

Ms. Maxwell’s lawyers said Ms. Maxwell planned to make her request under a federal rule that grants a judge the power to grant a new trial when the “interest of justice so requires.”

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And still nobody claims the hookers weren't above the age of consent when they were with Andrew

R395 Is that what her claim is about? If not, then stfu and address what the claims actually are.